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So who will say - come back, Nord Stream

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So who will say - come back, Nord Stream



Last call


It is a sin to laugh at sick people, it is a sin to mock the unfortunate. However, let us take upon ourselves some sins. Although we will try to do without inappropriate irony about Andrzej Duda, the Polish president, shocked by Angela Merkel's call to Vladimir Putin.

No, do not fall into shock, last year's call, now Merkel did not call Putin. Too much is at stake now, and just like that, a proven long-term partner will not remind of himself. Moreover, he - or rather, she, it seems, decided to leave the political scene too early.

Moreover, much more mossy characters remain there, and are also ready to return. Why did the Polish president decide to mention the former German Chancellor Angela Merkel not quite out of place? Most likely, because the current Polish politicians are clearly in a hurry to skim the cream off the Ukrainian crisis.

And indeed, what if Europe, because of gas problems, will back down and finally begin to negotiate with Russia? After all, to be precise, Duda only remembered how shocked he was by Merkel's call to the Russian president.

He also remembered that the Frau Chancellor called in Moscow immediately after she persuaded Joe Biden not to oppose the launch of Nord Stream 2. And Duda, reminding the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung that in Germany both the first and the second of the Nord Streams were always called purely economic projects, spoke out extremely harshly against them.

He, Duda, always did not accept such an argument, and Germany and Angela Merkel personally got hit by the Polish politician primarily because gas projects with Russia "had and are causing harm to Europe" and "are deadly for us Poles." Duda recalled that he had told the German chancellor that gas projects would be "the key to Russia's dominance in the European market."

Well, he was once simply shocked by the call. According to Duda, this “should have been understood not only as an act of indifference, but also as an almost hostile act towards our part of Europe!”


Duda can't sleep well


Polish President Andrzej Duda has always considered the SP-2 a tool in the hands of Russia. Why was he then "shocked" because of Angela Merkel's call to Vladimir Putin? A call from a year ago, a call that, with all the desire, somehow corresponds to the current situation in a different way.

Yes, Angela Merkel then backed down on the Nord Stream 2 issue, and especially after Washington was ready to refuse to oppose the project. But let's try to imagine the almost impossible. And what would happen to Duda if Merkel called Putin today?

Something needs to be done. The same Poles do not intend to resell gas, not Russian, but Norwegian - from Baltic Pipe, which is modest in comparison with SP-2. They, as you understand, also need to warm up the runaway Ukrainians.

In that case, we might as well ask ourselves this question. And as a matter of fact, what does he, Andrzej Duda, even if he is in the highest post in Poland, care about a private telephone conversation, even if he is a retired German chancellor.

And even with the president of the country, which the pan with a dubious biography and even more dubious roots hates so much. Frau does what she can, and also does something that people like the ardent Russophobe Duda cannot do. And in 2021, she did what she could, and she was not going to consult with Andrzej Duda about the call to Putin.

The Poles cannot but be given credit for their ingenuity. They passed Danish and Swedish territorial waters and zones of economic responsibility just in time, laying Norwegian gas to them. For the same Baltic Pipe with a capacity of only 5 billion cubic meters, which is not much compared to 55 billion of each of the Nord Streams. But the Poles should have enough.


However, this is on condition that they are given Norwegian gas from the large European pipe Europipe II. It should be noted that the Polish side, without unnecessary noise, agreed on the Baltic crossroads with the two Nord Streams, both with the countries concerned and with Gazprom, since it laid its pipes on the Baltic bottom earlier.

save our carcasses


Factories in Germany are shutting down this summer, the presidential palace in Berlin was left without lighting at night, and hot water is no longer supplied to pools in Hannover. And if only Angela Merkel was involved in the gas business, perhaps there would simply be no cases.

Although difficulties, and very big ones, began with the second stream, we must not forget, even with her. And in many respects at her suggestion, especially when the "green" course was so boldly taken by the Christian Democrats. With the refusal, in addition to coal and oil, also from gas, and from nuclear energy with efficient and generally safe nuclear power plants.

This could be understood even today, when the environmentalists in power in Germany are simply manipulating the social democrats. For those “convenient for everyone” Olaf Scholz, by all indications, is about to be uncomfortable for anyone. But four or five years ago.

Let us recall that even then, we will recall, the harsh raids on Russia began, using energy as weapon, and everything looked too much like an inferior camouflage in favor of an overseas conductor. And, by and large, there is no difference who is in power at this particular moment both in the White House and in Washington - Democrats or Republicans.

Even last fall, when Merkel left the post of chancellor, she got a great deal for supporting the Russian gas pipeline, which allegedly “provoked” the crisis. And it is no coincidence that many political scientists who are quite loyal to the CDU, German, pay attention, directly said that Merkel had leased both Germany and the EU as a whole to America on an indefinite basis.

And these days, for some reason, very synchronously with the complaints and insults of Andrzej Duda in the popular yellowish Bild, columnist Julian Repke once again directly accuses Angela Merkel of Germany's current energy difficulties. I wonder if she will keep silent?

For example, another German ex-chancellor, Gerhard Schroeder, is already acting, although more in his own interests. Spending his vacation now not just anywhere, but in Moscow, he may well bargain for a post on the board of directors of Gazprom, which he recently resigned from.

It is on this occasion that, in concluding, we are simply obliged to note once again that one can no longer hold high political posts, but it is very difficult to stop being a politician even in extreme old age. Especially for people like Frau Merkel, the German Mutti, still respected by us. The last call even returned something in this regard.
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  1. Sergio_7
    Sergio_7 4 August 2022 16: 06
    0
    The Germans need to launch the SP-2 ... otherwise it will be very bad for them. And yes, it will be their geopolitical failure! But life is more precious!
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 4 August 2022 16: 14
      +10
      Frau Merkel, German Mutti, still respected by us.
      who, "you"? what did she do? crawled closer to the borders? Yes, the viper is a grandmother, like all of them ...
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 5 August 2022 06: 43
        0
        Poles should be enough. However, this is on condition that they are given Norwegian gas

        Poland officially announced yesterday that gas storage facilities are 100% full.
        Poland barks too actively towards Russia, so Washington appreciates it. And will give orders if needed. And his vassals will execute the command even at a loss
        1. Vlodek
          Vlodek 5 August 2022 08: 42
          0
          they don't have much storage space. in the event of a pumping stop, God forbid, it will last for a month.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 August 2022 18: 38
      +3
      Quote: Sergio_7
      The Germans need to launch the SP-2 ... otherwise it will be very bad for them. And yes, it will be their geopolitical failure! But life is more precious!

      Scholz's comrade and mentor, former Chancellor Gerhard Schröder, explained popularly, in an interview with Stern magazine.
      "What can the German government do to prevent an emergency?" Stern asked.

      "The easiest solution would be to put the Nord Stream 2 pipeline into operation. It is already ready. If the situation worsens, then there is this pipeline, and the operation of both Nord Stream pipelines will not be a problem for German industry. Anyone who does not want to use Nord Stream 2 , must be held accountable for the consequences, and they will be enormous for Germany. Anyone who heats their homes with gas already feels it." replied the former chancellor.
      1. Two
        Two 5 August 2022 08: 23
        0
        hi That is, you are always ready to turn on the back!? repeat
    3. Boratsagdiev
      Boratsagdiev 5 August 2022 12: 15
      0
      Soon nothing will help the geyropa, even if all the pipes work.
      There are laws of physics and mechanics - throughput.
      At best, they will sit on starvation rations, without stocks (to consume completely everything they receive).
      1. Mini Mokik
        Mini Mokik 5 August 2022 15: 31
        0
        I do not think that pipes can operate at full capacity. And the problem here is precisely on the part of the Russian Federation. Because it will simply not be realistic to exchange so many euros for rubles for Gazprom. That is, where will buyers come from for such a bunch of "toxic" euros? And Gazprom accepts only rubles winked
  2. Glagol1
    Glagol1 4 August 2022 16: 13
    +5
    No, Sergio_7, they will not launch SP-2. That's too much. It’s cheaper to shoot yourself in the knee and not wash the children, but at the same time save the required 15%.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 4 August 2022 16: 34
      0
      Europe will not freeze. Save on hard, redistribute flows, but survive. So the dreams of "calling Grandpa Poo" will remain just dreams.
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 4 August 2022 16: 52
        +6
        Europe will not freeze. Save on hard, redistribute flows, but survive.

        With a sorter it is clear. Faberge will be frozen for evil "bad Vova", but they will survive. And what about the industry, which is based on cheap Russian gas? "To spite the bad Volodya" will the automotive, chemical and some other branches of German industry be stopped? Let's wait. Maybe for the sake of the Washington uncle, and such nonsense is argued.
        What will you take from them. occupied country.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 4 August 2022 16: 55
          -5
          Well, Uncle Vova ruined our auto industry, to spite Europe and nothing))) And more industries got it.
          1. Amateur
            Amateur 4 August 2022 17: 13
            +5
            Well, Uncle Vova ruined our auto industry,

            And what is "our auto industry"? Soviet Muscovite 412 (2140) with a re-engineered pre-war BMW engine? Zhiguli from Fiat 124 1966 started production? Or a "membership" ZIL 114, assembled piece by piece? And what does the President of the Russian Federation have to do with a private shop sold for nothing and stolen / closed privatized by Chubais under Alkonaut Borisnikolaich AZLK, GAZ, Tolyatti, ZIL and others?
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 5 August 2022 08: 40
              +3
              Quote: Amateur
              And what does the President of the Russian Federation have to do with a private shop

              And there is no one else to load problems on. It’s not for your beloved to remember that in 91 he rejoiced at the collapse of the Union and dreamed of freedom of trade and entrepreneurship ... wink
              1. Hall_2001
                Hall_2001 5 August 2022 22: 26
                0
                Dear friend! We must be more condescending to ourselves and others, in "those" years. A lot of good people thought the market would take care of everything. Wrong, of course. Well, the wild people are the children of the mountains. (C)
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 6 August 2022 08: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Hall_2001
                  We must be more condescending to ourselves and others, in "those" years

                  Softness and tolerance for one's shortcomings in the past do not provide prerequisites for qualitative growth today and tomorrow.
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 5 August 2022 16: 31
              +2
              Quote: Amateur
              And what is "our auto industry"?

              Our auto industry is our auto industry. I haven’t reacted to stupid things for a long time, but I couldn’t get through here. We had a base .. production. Yes, the quality needed to be improved, design, paint .. little things .. but it was our full-fledged production, the same as Tu .. you can also find flaws in comparison with Europeans .. but your own! quality, etc.) to work on this rather than build a whole chain anew .. Back in the 2000s, Kamaz was completely on our spare parts, but now there is nothing domestic .. This is terrible .. Effective managers put it into your head, that it’s easier to buy for kickbacks in the west than to build your own, and you hung your ears ..
              1. Amateur
                Amateur 5 August 2022 17: 11
                +2
                So effective managers have put in your head that it’s easier to buy for kickbacks in the west than to build your own, and you hung your ears ..

                It's clear with managers. And you can ride Zaporozhets. Even on a tractor, Belarus is in the regional district for vodka. And what about the President?
              2. Hall_2001
                Hall_2001 5 August 2022 22: 36
                0
                On the one hand, you are certainly right - ours, there is ours. But up to 98, and before the protective duties, it was possible to buy a decent car, not a new one, a vase was cheaper. And (unfortunately) this new foreign car is much more comfortable, and it cost less. Yes, even now, take the official prices: from the press - "bumblebee", "Chevrolet Camaro": for the price that it is officially sold here, in decaying America you can buy the top version (by engine and other things)
                Everything is ambiguous.
                I myself drove only a nine, a patch, and a Japanese motorcycle suzuki rf 400, now I ride on viburnum
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 6 August 2022 07: 29
                  +1
                  Everything is ambiguous.
                  I myself drove only a nine, a patch, and a Japanese motorcycle suzuki rf 400, now I ride on viburnum

                  Certainly it’s more comfortable, more economical, etc. But the duties here, just have nothing to do with it .. they would be appropriate if their own industry developed under them .. but there are duties, but there is no own industry .. in other words, they fucked again population..
              3. Hagen
                Hagen 6 August 2022 08: 32
                +1
                Quote: Svarog
                We had a base .. production.

                Yes, there was a base. VAZ from FIAT, KAMAZ from "more than 700 foreign firms from 19 countries of Europe (CMEA and Western Europe), the USA, Canada, and Japan, 2000 factories from 500 cities of the Soviet Union." According to statistics, more than half a billion US dollars (even those pre-perestroika) were purchased for imported production equipment.
                Quote: Svarog
                And it's much easier to remove the shortcomings (quality, etc.) to work on it

                Why wasn't it removed? Neither in the USSR, nor in Russia ... That's the horror. And starters, generators, and later all sorts of gasoline pumps, from BOSH, for example, were also on the "Bugs". Here the wings were ours, domestic ones, when the imported blanks were over .... Therefore, the first thing the happy owner of a new and "not very" VAZ (GAZ, Moskvich, etc.) did was the anti-corrosion treatment of all the "hardware" so that it did not rot in the first winter. Therefore, I would not puff out my cheeks when remembering the USSR. Today everything is about the same. Any "piece of iron" developed and produced in the country is the embodiment in the material of the mental representation of the people about its most important consumer properties and quality assumptions. As we "grow" so will the manufacturability and quality of our products. And the role of "managers" in this process is not much larger than the role of the entire chain of production workforce, from an ordinary worker to a director ... By shifting all the blame for failures on some "effective ...", we are trying to hide from a critical look at our shortcomings , which means that we do not correct them, but exacerbate them.
          2. alexey alexeyev_2
            alexey alexeyev_2 5 August 2022 03: 41
            -1
            I'm embarrassed to ask. Do you walk on foot?
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 5 August 2022 07: 20
              -4
              No, not on foot. Chevrolet, which is more than ten years old. But I took it from the salon, and we drive a little. Donated a little over 100. So I'm not going to change anytime soon. Firstly, not FOR what, and secondly ... Not for anything!
              The factories that assembled foreign cars with a screwdriver and were conditionally considered our auto industry closed, and to take the "Granada" ... No, I'm still on my "Chevy", I'd rather ride!
              1. Amateur
                Amateur 5 August 2022 09: 05
                0
                No, not on foot. Chevrolet

                What about a Chevrolet? Which Niva or which Uzbek Daewoo Nexia?
                1. The leader of the Redskins
                  The leader of the Redskins 5 August 2022 12: 01
                  -1
                  No. Didn't guess. Model 2008, assembled in Korea.)
                  1. stankow
                    stankow 5 August 2022 21: 23
                    +1
                    How cool are you! Just one example (myself) and that's it, put the auto industry in place! laughing
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 August 2022 17: 56
        0
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Europe will not freeze. Save on hard, redistribute flows, but survive.

        It’s good for you to say “they won’t freeze”, maybe not, but how much it will cost for each family, I imagine, also for small firms, and large ones in general. If I pay more for an apartment in July this year than last winter, then I can’t say what will happen this winter. And about the distribution, it's like in Orwell's "Animal Farm" where again there will be "equal and more equal animals."
      3. Vlodek
        Vlodek 5 August 2022 08: 44
        +1
        people will survive, but their vaunted author will die. what the United States is trying to achieve: to kill a competitor, by the hands of the competitor himself (more precisely, by the government that UWB dragged through)
    2. dedusik
      dedusik 4 August 2022 16: 35
      +1
      Well, shoot - they did it repeat
      A World War II ammunition depot exploded spectacularly in a Berlin forest, setting off a huge fire on one of the hottest days of the year.

      About 100 firefighters fought the fire in an area of ​​about 15 square meters in the Grunwald forest in the German capital in the west of the city.

      The fire was believed to have been caused by several explosions at an ammunition depot buried in the woods, where old World War II ammunition, fireworks and explosives are stored and controlled explosions are carried out.
      The blaze is spreading rapidly and powerful explosions can still be heard from the site, making fire brigades unable to extinguish the blaze.
      Firefighters said that because of flying debris and the threat of further explosions, they have not yet begun to systematically extinguish the fire, as emergency services had to stay a kilometer away from the flames.

      “The forest is dry as a bone,” said Jan Thomsen, spokesman for the Department for the Environment, Mobility, Consumer Protection and Climate of the Senate of Berlin.

      According to a police spokesman, it is not clear what caused the first explosions. The site is used for the storage and controlled detonation of ammunition or weapons guarded by the weapons disposal units of the Berlin Police. Firefighters said that because of flying debris and the threat of further explosions, they have not yet begun to systematically extinguish the fire, as emergency services had to stay a kilometer away from the flames.

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11080561/Ammunition-dump-explodes-Berlin-forest-sparking-huge-fire-WW2-explosive-storage-facility.html
  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 4 August 2022 16: 32
    +5
    Europe is wrapping up the pretzel ... they have abandoned nuclear energy, gas too, they will not wash, they will not warm themselves either.
    The old woman Europe has completely lost her mind ... what
    1. Anatoly Salnikov
      Anatoly Salnikov 5 August 2022 09: 10
      +1
      Europe is returning to its original state, when baths were built in Russia, perfumes were invented there, so as not to stink. The stink is both from the smell and from what she does.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 4 August 2022 16: 34
    -3
    Especially for people like Frau Merkel, the German Mutti, still respected by us.
    It remains to introduce a respected one to the board of directors of Gazprom, like Schroeder .. And some kind of Polish former president .. smile
    1. ser580
      ser580 7 August 2022 10: 13
      0
      but how will the board of directors live without Macron ???
  5. Crisp
    Crisp 4 August 2022 16: 42
    +2
    Quote: Sergio_7
    The Germans need to launch the SP-2 ... otherwise it will be very bad for them. And yes, it will be their geopolitical failure! But life is more precious!

    The longer these idiots will roam with pipes (1,2), the greater will be Russia's victory over the EU.
    The uneven (sometimes absolute) dependence of some countries on gas supplies will never reconcile interests and split this artificial formation not of friends, but of competitors. Turning on both currents would have alleviated the energy starvation, and would have made Germany the most powerful helmsman in Europe. At the same time, lower the price. Do we need it?
  6. Luminman
    Luminman 4 August 2022 16: 43
    -1
    I remember when the Poles were building their Baltic Pipe, they talked a lot about the fact that Gazprom would never give permission for it to cross our Nord Stream along the bottom of the Baltic. However, the Baltic Pipe has been built and even crossed the Nord Stream, while Gazprom is silent...
    1. alexey alexeyev_2
      alexey alexeyev_2 5 August 2022 11: 34
      -1
      And what side the Polish pipe interferes with our flows. What should go through this pipe is such a minuscule that even if the psheks want to weld on this pipe, they will barely have enough after deducting all the costs of cigarettes. and western Ukraine will sit on its neck. They boasted that the pipes would be cut off from the border, but they were in no hurry
      1. Luminman
        Luminman 5 August 2022 11: 58
        -2
        And which side of the Polish pipe interferes with our flows

        Would you like a neighbor to lay a pipe or a path through your garden?
        1. alexey alexeyev_2
          alexey alexeyev_2 5 August 2022 15: 00
          -1
          Well, actually, our flows pass through the economic zones of several states. And why on earth these states will forbid psheks to lay down their pipe. Everything is paid for. Both ours and psheks
  7. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 4 August 2022 16: 48
    +3
    Quote: Crispy
    Turning on both Currents would have alleviated the energy starvation, and would have made Germany the most powerful helmsman in Europe. At the same time, lower the price. Do we need it?

    Schroeder needs this... he is now a hostage of the situation.
    And we need to make Europe manual and controlled.
  8. Eug
    Eug 4 August 2022 17: 04
    +4
    As for me, this winter Europe will trample on - pull on woolen pants, socks and sweaters, remember about duvets and nightcaps, lower the "recommended" temperature in the bedroom to 15-16 degrees. etc. The real problems will start (if they start) next year against the backdrop of a recession in industry and a drop in income, which will be superimposed on not very pleasant memories of the past (coming) winter ... and explain to me - why did Gazprom agree to the laying of pipes for the Poles? Again "partners"?
    1. man
      man 4 August 2022 17: 20
      +1
      explain to me - why did Gazprom approve the laying of pipes for the Poles? Again "partners"?
      I’m also surprised ... fawning over Europe is our "old beautiful custom"
  9. mitroha
    mitroha 4 August 2022 17: 40
    -1
    Water poured with watery water. However, as in the vast majority of articles by these authors
  10. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 4 August 2022 18: 30
    +2
    Russian gas company refuses to accept turbines from service repair due to sanctions
    Now the turbine is located in Germany and is "waiting" for Russia to take it.
    Despite some humor of the situation ("Gazprom" plays with the Europeans in their own game with sanctions), everything is logical here:
    1. The whole trick is that Siemens Corporation did not eliminate three-quarters of all breakdowns and shortcomings, which it was obliged to do according to the regulations, that is, in fact, the plant in Canada where the turbine was located was not repaired.
    2. These moments could be presented directly to the factory that carried out the service. I suspect that the enterprise in Canada did not expect at all that the unit would have to be returned to Russia. Therefore, they scored for maintenance, and therefore did not complete the entire range of work.
    3. According to the agreement, Russia must take the product from the factory in Canada at its own expense - only then the guarantee is valid. But no, Siemens came up with a "cunning scheme" with the transfer to Germany and from there to Russia in order to cancel the warranty conditions and then not be responsible for their jambs.
    However, the European "wise men" outwitted themselves. Ours are doing the right thing by refusing to accept the turbine in Germany - in this case, Siemens is responsible and is also obliged to pay a penalty from above.
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 4 August 2022 21: 59
      -5
      They'll pay, they'll pay. Have you prepared a bag to carry the penalty?
  11. BAI
    BAI 4 August 2022 21: 24
    -1
    Gazprom here, as always, screwed up. It was necessary to coordinate the Polish pipe only after the launch of SP-2.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 August 2022 09: 22
      0
      Quote: BAI
      It was necessary to coordinate the Polish pipe only after the launch of SP-2.

      The Polish pipe was laid before Nord Stream 2.
  12. AdAstra
    AdAstra 4 August 2022 21: 58
    -7
    Yes, nothing will happen to them - while the fat one dries, the thin one will die. And the thin one, alas, is us.
    1. runway-1
      runway-1 5 August 2022 12: 09
      -1
      Many here do not understand this and do not want to understand ...
  13. gsev
    gsev 4 August 2022 23: 19
    +5
    Quote: Sergio_7
    The Germans need to launch the SP-2 ... otherwise it will be very bad for them.

    And what is the point of Russia launching Nord Stream? The EU imposed sanctions on which any equipment not currently produced in China is prohibited from being supplied to Russia. Even devices with a frequency of 25 MHz and ALU of 32 bits or more are prohibited. In principle, this is a technique of the last century and it is already banned for sale in Russia. Surely such microcircuits can be produced by China and North Korea. I would not launch either transit through Ukraine and Nord Stream 1 or Nord Stream 2 until the ban on the supply of modern equipment to Russia that the DPRK or China cannot manufacture is lifted. And before that, strengthen cooperation with China. Surely there you can buy programmable controllers, CNC, control panels, servo drives, metal-cutting machines no worse than Europe and Japan supply us three times.
    1. Vlodek
      Vlodek 5 August 2022 08: 50
      +3
      For the sake of interest, I called the SCM office. any machine, within the prescribed 30 days. payment at the rate of the Central Bank. on the date of the conclusion of the contract. so machines from Europe are even cheaper now than a year ago.
  14. Dedok
    Dedok 5 August 2022 09: 02
    0
    "It should be noted that the Polish side, without unnecessary noise, agreed on the Baltic crossroads with the two Nord Streams, both with the countries concerned and with Gazprom, since it laid its pipes on the Baltic bottom earlier."
    this moment is interesting: when Denmark did not agree on SP-2, the Poles built and incited Denmark, we were silent; Denmark - the United States was allowed to agree on SP-2, but who gave "permission" to Gazprom to agree on the passage of the pipe through SP1 and SP2 - to the Poles? the same USA?
  15. Grossvater
    Grossvater 5 August 2022 10: 46
    0
    Angela is probably now crossing herself with her foot, which she dumped in time laughing!
  16. gsev
    gsev 5 August 2022 11: 15
    -2
    Quote: Vlodek
    any machine, within the prescribed 30 days. payment at the rate of the Central Bank.

    So is anyone? 5 coordinates simultaneous interpolation in 4 axes? CNC for 4 coordinates with simultaneous interpolation along 2 axes, the Chinese lay for 50 rubles in 000 prices. A 2015 W servo drive was then sold for 400 rubles with a complete set for connecting to the network and the Machine. And can you take it out as a result of sanctions? Or the company, having received the money, says take it, give it back. And not a single carrier agrees to carry until the new dismemberment of Russia?
  17. aslanxnumx
    aslanxnumx 5 August 2022 11: 40
    0
    Europe took up arms against Russia, the supply of weapons to Ukraine, mercenaries and sanctions. And the question is why the hell should we support the economy of Europe, close the supply of gas and oil. There are a lot of bobbles in the country that hang somewhere or are invested over the hill.
  18. Roman Efremov
    Roman Efremov 5 August 2022 19: 42
    -1
    I had no doubts before, and I have no doubts now, that SP-2 will be launched. Perhaps before the end of this year. But, in general, it does not matter - a year earlier, a year later. The gas pipeline is being built for decades.
  19. ivan2022
    ivan2022 6 August 2022 03: 21
    +1
    Just don't worry. And Russian gas will be accepted by both oil and timber, and the capital initially accumulated in Russia has long been working in the West and East, but not in Russia.

    And a huge number of young corpses of the military and millions of babies aborted per year go in a powerful stream to the World transplantology and other branches of medicine.

    Just do not worry, gentlemen, that the process is temporarily stalled for political reasons.
  20. AML
    AML 7 August 2022 09: 12
    0
    Poland would return to Germany the 600 billion that were invested in it, and then teach others how to live.
  21. AML
    AML 7 August 2022 09: 15
    0
    Quote: Roman Efremov
    I had no doubt before, and I have no doubt now, that SP-2 will be launched.

    What for? Just to make someone feel good? Since such a booze, I would add to the end.
  22. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 9 August 2022 12: 48
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    Nobody will say. You can not wait. Even if Ukraine is completely captured tonight. Some people need a war with Russia. On which it is necessary to throw the whole of Europe, or at least its western part. How to do it?
    The fattened and weakened Europeans must emaciate and become angry. To do this, they are waiting for a hungry and cold winter. Factories will stop, there will be no heat in houses. Europe will shake itself as it has not been shaken for 70 years. Well, in the spring the movement will begin. Money will be sent from across the ocean, but not anywhere, but to the military commissar. And propaganda will tell you that everything will be fine again if you finally capture the Russian lands with their reserves.
    And some people will be satisfied with any result. Europe will win? It will be possible to grab resources for many more years. Will Europe be destroyed? It will be possible to feast on its remains, which Russia will not master for anything, and the loss of a competitor is always beneficial. Long war? In general, excellent, it will be possible to take everything from both sides.
    In general, the prospects are still ...
  23. Altmann
    Altmann 11 August 2022 20: 14
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    All political threats will be stopped by winter. No one wants to sit in a cold office, at home in apartments. I think ordinary people will soon speak for themselves. Money and warmth will be the main weapons. am