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The petal that finally "torn" Ukraine

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The petal that finally "torn" Ukraine

Mankind has been at war for many millennia. Fight for various reasons. Who is right, who is wrong, in principle, it does not matter. The main thing is to achieve your goal. I do not want to get into the wilds of philosophy about the reasons for such behavior of people. Today's conversation is about something completely different. About weaponsthat people use, and how the very essence of war is changing. As every year war becomes more and more vile occupation.


Long gone are the days of the chivalrous "I'm coming at you." Long gone are the days of battles in the open field, when it was enough just to defeat the enemy army. Then the time came for the global destruction of everything that the army meets on its way. Whether it's Kyiv or Stalingrad, or some small village. Burn, kill, explode...

And then this very “kill” acquired a large-scale character, thanks to the most peaceful country in Vietnam. It was there that the war turned from the confrontation of the military against the military into the confrontation of the military against everyone, especially civilians.

In the same way, the evolution of weapons took place. What was once created in order to strengthen the defense turned out to be an excellent means of attack. In particular, mines and land mines. It would seem that a weapon that does not shoot, which is used directly against the enemy, cannot become an offensive weapon. But the wars of recent decades have shown the complete absurdity of this statement.

In my opinion, the most vile weapon in the category of mines are anti-personnel mines (APMs). Small in size, with a fairly small amount of explosives used, often not even intended to destroy the enemy, mines were invented more for moral pressure on the advancing enemy.

That is why the setting of such mines does not require special skills, any special knowledge. Even the personal presence of a miner is not required. An ordinary attack aircraft or MLRS strike with cassettes stuffed with these APMs, and that's it. An area of ​​several hectares becomes a minefield. The advancing enemy infantry, hitting this field, is forced to stop the attack.

At the same time, soldiers hit by this weapon rarely die. The mine is not designed to destroy infantry. The power of the PPM is too low for this, but to inflict a wound in which the soldier will be guaranteed to be disabled and will not be able to fight, this mine can be guaranteed. A leg injury up to the amputation of the foot is the task of an anti-personnel mine.

"Petal" is illegal and dangerous


Those of the readers who had a chance to visit “beyond the river” at one time know these mines very well. In the Afghan war, the Soviet Union used this mine (PFM-1) to mine territories controlled by the enemy. Raid "Rooks" and the territory is mined. Moreover, the enemy most often does not know about it. Ordinary raid, ordinary shelling ...

Small brown petals are almost invisible among the boulders and in the dust of the roads. An ordinary plastic bag with a stabilizing wing… 12 centimeters long and 6,5 centimeters wide. The mass of liquid explosive is only 40 grams. Those mines that were used then, PFM-1, did not even have a self-destruct mechanism.

Such a mechanism is provided only for PFM-1S. But in the Donbass, it is the PFM-1s that are used, which can lie in the grass or in the mud for years and wait for someone who accidentally steps on them. And given the fact that the mines are also painted in two colors, green and brown, it is quite difficult to find it.

In general, PPM has already caused enormous damage to the world. The number of people who have lost limbs, especially in Africa, is in the hundreds of thousands. It is precisely the fact that such mines are practically "eternal", many explosions occur years and even decades after the end of hostilities in some territory.

It is clear that any sane person would advocate the elimination of this type of weapon. It's for humanitarian reasons. The UN has repeatedly raised the issue of types of weapons that cause excessive damage or have an indiscriminate effect. In 1980, even the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (CCWC) was adopted. True, it was ratified by only 65 countries.

In 1996, the UN adopted the expanded protocol of the 1980 Convention. It is there that it is defined in detail what anti-personnel mines, booby traps, remote-controlled mines and other terms are. The obligatory use of the mechanism of self-destruction, self-deactivation and self-neutralization was also determined there. It is also prohibited to transfer mines to other states.

It must be said that Canada has made the greatest contribution to solving the APM problem. It was there that since October 1996 an international conference on a complete ban on the production, storage, export and use of anti-personnel mines has been held. The result of its work was the Treaty on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and Their Destruction, adopted in December 1997 and signed by 122 countries.

Now it's very important. Ukraine joined this treaty in 2006. In open sources, you can find data on the number of APM in Ukraine at that time. About 6 million (!) PPM, which Kyiv undertook to destroy! Add to this about 700 thousand other types of anti-personnel mines!

Pay attention to the wording. Ukraine should destroy! At the same time, according to the Treaty, Kyiv could leave some of the mines for use as a training base for training sappers. Judging by how intensively the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been using APM since May, the mines were destroyed purely theoretically. in Ukrainian. Destroy means to "destroy" away...

Thus, the stubborn silence of the West regarding the use of PPM by Kyiv becomes understandable. This is a violation of the international Treaty, which means that the UN is obliged to impose sanctions against Ukraine. Washington and Brussels cannot allow such a development of events. The whole system of lies and provocations that Western politicians have been creating for so long will crumble.

I think that in the near future we should expect the issue of the application of PPM in the UN Security Council. It is difficult to say how events will develop, but the fact that the conversation there will be very serious is already clear today.

To be loved, you have to kill


As I mentioned above, Kyiv did not start using Petals in Donbas yesterday. The first cases of the use of these mines were recorded in May. Then "Petals" mined the territories of the Kharkiv region left by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Now the population is informed about the presence of "Lepestki" not only in Donetsk, but also in Yasinovataya, Makeevka, Panteleimonovka. This is the official data for today.

This means that Kyiv started a war to destroy the population of the republics. It is the population! I wrote above that I consider anti-personnel mines to be vile weapons. Simply because it is directed against unprepared, non-military people. For children, for the elderly, for women who simply live at home and do not participate in hostilities.

The scale of the use of these mines amaze even the military. For example, I will cite the message of the Mayor of Donetsk dated July 29. In two days (July 27–29), sappers discovered more than 600 Petals! And this is not in the field, but in the central regions of a huge city!

Unfortunately, despite the warnings of the authorities, there are always "enthusiast-sappers" who independently try to clear the mines, or inattentive people who are undermined due to their own inattention. At least two explosions, which I know for sure, have already occurred in Donetsk.

The Ukrainian authorities and the Ukrainian army have a strange logic. In order for the people of Donetsk to want to fall in love with Ukraine, they have to be killed for eight years. It is necessary to use savage methods of killing with the help of PPM against them. What remains? Use chemical weapons by blowing up a couple of tanks at some chemical plant? Will they die and love?

I will not write about the reaction of the military in the republics. I don’t want to lie about the fact that they will simply be outraged, but I think the readers themselves can guess about the rest. But the fact that the PPM really change the attitude towards Ukraine in the Donbass, I will write. Recently I talked online with a resident of one of the villages just about these mines.

Women are always more emotional than men. More radical, perhaps. They are pitiful and can roar over a wounded enemy in pity. But they are also more angry when they are really offended. I talked to a woman angry at Ukraine! Angry to the point that it becomes a little scary. Here is the result of "spreading love in Kiev style."

Instead of panic and fear, hatred. Panic and fear were a long time ago, seven or eight years ago. Now hate...

Briefly about what can be


The use of savage methods of extermination of the civilian population, in my opinion, is revenge on the civilian population for the fact that the Donetsk people have kept faith and loyalty to their ideals, their way of life, the honor of their ancestors, their historical memory, if you will. This is revenge for the fact that ordinary, peaceful people did not want to accept Bandera's ideology and Bandera's ideals.

Alas, despite all the efforts of the authorities on the work of the republican military, there will still be casualties among the civilian population. Now the problem of PPM in Donbas will be relevant for quite a long time. The only way to reduce the danger is the liberation of Donbass and the pushing of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to a safe distance.

Trite? Yes! Judging by the photos of unexploded containers with "Petals", the "delivery of mines" to Donetsk and other settlements of Donbass is carried out by the Uragan MLRS. Yes, and fragments of missiles confirm this (rocket 9M27KZ). That is, the enemy must be driven back no less than 35-40 kilometers from the border of the republics.

The use of PMF-1 anti-personnel mines by Kyiv cannot be justified. No arguments can somehow “whitewash” the Ukrainian military and Ukraine as a whole. If someone recently had some doubts that Ukraine is a terrorist state, then here is an excellent proof of the validity of this statement.

I wrote above that this is a war crime, for which all those involved will be punished. From the soldier who aimed or fired at civilians, to the president who sanctioned this shelling.
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  1. saigon
    saigon 3 August 2022 04: 53
    +28
    In a word, as he said, horse gunners should not be taken prisoner, like officers - they are saturated with nationalism and guilty of crimes.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 3 August 2022 05: 21
      +8
      From the soldier who aimed or fired at civilians, to the president who sanctioned this shelling.
      Guilty! To the highest measure of social protection! am
      1. 28st region
        28st region 3 August 2022 05: 37
        +17
        Why so pathetic? Anything happens during a fight. They were taken prisoner, the prisoners were also needed, to ask, and then, knowing that he could be threatened, he tried to escape, but the sentries were on the alert and shot well.
        In general, of course, it’s not that meanness is somehow beyond comprehension, cities are sown with mines. Unclear.
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 5 August 2022 08: 13
          +1
          According to the "partners" Ukraine will not be able to do this, because. back in 16, they reported to the whole world that they had destroyed all anti-personnel mines.
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 3 August 2022 06: 38
        -15
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Guilty! To the highest measure of social protection!

        What about you, judge? Or juror? Not? Then leave the guilty verdict to the jury, and the verdict to the judges. Believe me, I also have no doubts about guilt, and in fairness they should be hanged, but the legal procedure must be scrupulously observed, otherwise expect accusations from "partners" in extrajudicial killings.
        1. Bobik012
          Bobik012 3 August 2022 06: 52
          +24
          Then leave the judgment of guilt to the jury, and the sentencing to the judges

          Leave the decision to whom to leave what to me. Who are the judges? The same people. And not always, believe me, honest. Therefore, as an honest person (I think that I have the right to be called that, because I have never taken someone else's and hit a person in the face, kindergarten childhood does not count) I have the full right to judge freaks (moral) and scoundrels.
          By the way, the wording "a person becomes a criminal after a court verdict" is very false and flawed. A person becomes a criminal when he commits a crime. Procedural decisions are not capable of canceling objective reality.
          Sorry, but they already pulled up with their
          legal procedures
          , which were invented only to enrich lawyers
          1. Plate
            Plate 3 August 2022 07: 36
            +7
            Legal procedures are needed so that everything operates according to laws, and not according to concepts.
            But I agree that they are too sophisticated and, it seems, are needed more to enrich lawyers than to fulfill their immediate tasks. I think it’s high time to let only those who have experience in writing program codes into the legislative branches of power, so that laws are not some kind of lengthy descriptions where you can drown, but understandable, clear and unambiguous algorithms.
            1. Bobik012
              Bobik012 3 August 2022 10: 13
              +3
              Concepts - the same laws. Those. rules made by people. It's not about the laws. It's a matter of practice. When legal procedures exist for the sake of legal procedures.
          2. Civil
            Civil 3 August 2022 08: 43
            +3
            Then it is necessary to announce that the prisoners will be shot (executed). What will happen to our prisoners?
        2. saigon
          saigon 3 August 2022 07: 48
          +8
          And there is not a word about the court and other judicial attributes, the infantry has the right to decide whether or not to live the enemy's artosos.
          It is the infantry that has the right to do this, it is the artosos and tanks and the sniper that fire at them, and whether or not the infantry decides to take prisoner and who the hell will blame them for what.
        3. Frost
          Frost 3 August 2022 07: 50
          +5
          Quote: Nagan
          What about you, judge? Or juror? Not? Then leave the guilty verdict to the jury, and the verdict to the judges. Believe me, I also have no doubts about guilt, and in fairness they should be hanged, but the legal procedure must be scrupulously observed, otherwise expect accusations from "partners" in extrajudicial killings.

          The jurors are to be recruited from the residents of Donetsk and Mariupol.
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 3 August 2022 08: 01
            +4
            In what jurisdiction the crimes were committed, there to judge, and there to recruit a jury. Those who fired at Donetsk will be judged in Donetsk, and those who fired at Lugansk, those in Lugansk. Something like this.
        4. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 3 August 2022 09: 00
          +12
          Briefly and clearly ! And without the jury and lawyers ....
          1. Bobik012
            Bobik012 3 August 2022 10: 16
            +7
            Konstantin Simonov
            If your home is dear to you...

            Brilliant words about righteous hatred
        5. Living7111972
          Living7111972 3 August 2022 21: 53
          +1
          I’ll gouge my head against the wall, he was just wounded and captured, because like a lion fought, a hero, but died from wounds during transportation at the stage of primary evacuation
        6. nordscout
          nordscout 8 August 2022 20: 46
          0
          Russia has been "listening" to its "partners" for a long time, as a result - NWO ... Russia has long been made to understand that for the West + the USA - Russia - "no one can even call you." And we still continue to believe in the "whiteness and fluffiness" of the West, in common sense, surrounded by predators and scoundrels ... Enough liberal "snot" inside the country and at the front. Identified and involved in the barbaric mining of civilian objects, such mines - hang and shoot on the spot without trial or investigation (according to the laws of war). Something like that...
      3. Cananecat
        Cananecat 3 August 2022 10: 07
        +3
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Guilty! To the highest measure of social protection!

        They "sentence" right on the front line in all possible ways.
      4. Paul Siebert
        Paul Siebert 3 August 2022 14: 07
        +18
        I came across a relevant tweet today...
    2. valentine light
      valentine light 3 August 2022 09: 57
      +1
      So in the counter-battery fight, artillerymen are coming out, by default they cannot be taken prisoner - only 200 or 300
    3. Hypertension
      Hypertension 3 August 2022 19: 49
      +2
      Large-caliber commotion (YouTube channel) made a good video about the "petal". How to neutralize it and how to comply with TB.
    4. General70
      General70 3 August 2022 22: 05
      +1
      I have a mat-remat, only emotions are on my mind, emotions are going through the roof am hi , God forbid the people of Donetsk, go through all this with courage hi
    5. reality
      reality 3 August 2022 23: 06
      +1
      - Moreover, Svidomo is not re-educated and not treated like drug addiction or hypnosis. Maidan of the brain is not a funny, but a dangerous disease!
    6. BastaKarapuzik And
      BastaKarapuzik And 5 August 2022 20: 38
      +2
      Yes, they should be captured. Necessary.
      The culprits must be brought to justice. Witnesses and participants in deliberate attacks must testify who gave the order, who directly executed it.
      Clear as daylight.
      Well, random people who find themselves in the trenches have the right to a fair treatment.
      Because Ukraine has recently adopted tactics, with the departure of regular military personnel (who were directly involved in the shelling), the mobilized are driven into positions.
      One gets the impression that the goal of the NATO block of this operation is to kill as many people as possible. In this way they hope to drive a wedge (another one) between the branches of the Russian people.
      This is their strategic goal, to quarrel and pit the "northern barbarians" among themselves
      It's strange that this has to be mentioned...
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    1. parusnik
      parusnik 3 August 2022 06: 07
      +14
      Famous Russian actor and singer Alexander Reva
      Does he still know how to sing?
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 3 August 2022 09: 17
        +6
        Does he still know how to sing?

        Do not believe it, Alexey Anatolyevich, a couple of years ago he even received the Muz-TV award, as ... "best singer"... What kind of shit is not being promoted, what kind of shit is our "People" not "hawling", sorry for the slang ... negative Then this shit runs abroad, along the way, mothering his homeland ...

        I wrote above that this is a war crime, for which all those involved will be punished. From the soldier who aimed or fired at civilians, to the president who sanctioned this shelling.

        Right words. I would very much like a fair trial later. In law.
    2. valentine light
      valentine light 3 August 2022 09: 59
      0
      Wow...!! :(
  3. Seryoga Nemuslim
    Seryoga Nemuslim 3 August 2022 05: 25
    -12
    It is a pity that the kukuevs have nothing to fall asleep with the same petals in half with leaflets.
    1. kytx
      kytx 3 August 2022 06: 01
      +1
      Uncle are you a fool?
      1. saigon
        saigon 3 August 2022 07: 51
        +4
        No, Kyiv simply does not understand one thing, this is our city temporarily occupied by scoundrels!
        1. Seryoga Nemuslim
          Seryoga Nemuslim 3 August 2022 12: 11
          0
          So why Kharkov was a Russian city, and now Bandera's kublo
          1. saigon
            saigon 3 August 2022 14: 02
            +4
            So once again remember Kharkov is our city, our temporarily occupied havoc.
            We are freeing our land from all abominations, and they are trying to preserve their land.
            1. Seryoga Nemuslim
              Seryoga Nemuslim 4 August 2022 04: 10
              -2
              Roll your memos into a tube, boy.
              1. saigon
                saigon 4 August 2022 04: 13
                0
                Why the aggression?
                1. Seryoga Nemuslim
                  Seryoga Nemuslim 4 August 2022 04: 34
                  +2
                  Mentor's tone is inappropriate here. I know very well that Kharkiv has never been Ukrainian, but now it is poisoned and there is no one to save there.
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    3. Plate
      Plate 3 August 2022 07: 38
      +6
      There is something. Russia did not sign up to the ban on anti-personnel mines, so it is not even obligated to destroy them. Well, not destroyed, respectively.
      But anti-personnel mines are designed to set up mine barriers from an advancing enemy, from enemy patrol routes ... but not against civilians in the middle of cities that are not a combat zone. As correctly noted in the article, this is already ordinary terrorism. Are you calling on Russia to become a terrorist?
  4. Grossvater
    Grossvater 3 August 2022 05: 39
    +9
    Quote: carpenter
    Famous Russian actor and singer Alexander Revva

    Who is this?
    1. serg.shishkov2015
      serg.shishkov2015 3 August 2022 05: 49
      +5
      Eminent - VERY loudly said! In KVN, he starred a little in * Burnt by the Sun *, the feature about Gadya Petrovich Khrenova turned out really cool! but then rolled down to low-grade humor, Py Sy I have no doubt that you know all this!
    2. Obliterator
      Obliterator 3 August 2022 13: 55
      +1
      Quote: Grossvater
      Who is this?

      He is Artur Pirozhkov. A lover of singing in a low voice songs aimed at middle-aged women, and one of those singers for which tickets are usually bought with alimony.
  5. DeGreen
    DeGreen 3 August 2022 05: 39
    +4
    Minister of Defense of Ukraine Heletey, back in 2014, called for terrorist attacks in Russia
  6. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 3 August 2022 05: 54
    +2
    Long gone are the days of the chivalrous "I'm coming at you." Long gone are the days of battles in the open field, when it was enough just to defeat the enemy army.

    The author either does not know ... or does not want to know history ... or deliberately misleads everyone ... The civilian population has always suffered in all wars. Just the scale of suffering was commensurate with the means available in the arsenal of the winner. And in our age, the very existence of the Geneva Convention is complete hypocrisy and only the way in which the winner justifies the punishment of the vanquished and the method of information warfare.
    The very concept of war is inextricably linked with the population, including the "civilian" population. The causes of wars never lie in personal animosity.
    1. domokl
      3 August 2022 06: 09
      +3
      You distort. The civilian population suffered. It is a fact. But the armies opposed each other. What happened after the victory is another story ...
      1. Aleks2048
        Aleks2048 3 August 2022 06: 35
        +1
        But the armies opposed each other.

        We take any siege of the city and very quickly it turns out that not only mercenaries and knights stood on the walls of the defenders, but also almost the entire population that can hold weapons. And they got up there not because they liked it, but simply from the realization that when capturing the city, the winner will simply cut out many of them, not even like pigs for meat, but simply by the fact of their existence, and those who cannot be cut out right away can driven into slavery or for sale. At the same time, one should also take into account the fact that modern prisons or camps are just a resort and health resort compared to how people were kept there.
        It’s just that in the modern world, the means of causing damage began to cause indiscriminate harm (although in the past there are many examples of their counterparts, for example, bacteriological weapons), but basically for killing there was either a sword or a spear, or a bow, and the warrior always knew exactly who he was using it against. So here it is probably more appropriate to look at what the captured place and its population turned into.
        1. your vsr 66-67
          your vsr 66-67 3 August 2022 06: 52
          0
          So you approve of the use of PPM by the Ukronazis?
          1. Aleks2048
            Aleks2048 3 August 2022 08: 04
            -11
            So you approve of the use of PPM by the Ukronazis?

            Provocative question. From the series You use the benefits of civilization (refrigerator, TV, Internet, machine gun, tank, etc.) so you approve of the use of this by the Ukronazis?
            I simply consider the Geneva Convention hypocrisy and our NWO no less hypocrisy.
            1. reality
              reality 3 August 2022 23: 19
              0
              From your answer, we can conclude that Zelensky should be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize
      2. Korax71
        Korax71 3 August 2022 10: 38
        +2
        9m27k3 were equipped only with PFM 1s.pfm1 were equipped with ksf1 and KMGU. It’s not realistic to push a ksf 9 cassette into 27m3k1, it contains specialized 12 cassettes with a capacity of 26 pfm1s each.
        1. Talworth
          Talworth 4 August 2022 04: 13
          0
          Infa cell? there are no options at all for just pmf1 to be fired from a hurricane? and in what year then it turns out that they made mines with a self-liquidator, do you happen to know?
  7. Egoza
    Egoza 3 August 2022 05: 57
    +4
    The UN is obliged to impose sanctions against Ukraine.

    This organization should have taken action a long time ago, but has not done anything so far. And he won't. Although it is necessary to present evidence of crimes on its platforms so that other countries at least think about who they are dealing with.
    1. Plate
      Plate 3 August 2022 07: 43
      +3
      They did not hesitate when the US opposed the resolution against the glorification of Nazism. Of course, this is a resolution of the General Assembly, not the Security Council, and therefore is still purely advisory in nature, but nonetheless. Everyone either voted in favor or simply abstained. And two countries opposed. I think it's easy to guess what the second one is.
  8. Vita vko
    Vita vko 3 August 2022 06: 02
    +1
    Unfortunately, economic interests in Moscow prevail over moral and even more so social responsibility. Therefore, so far only the Azov battalion has been recognized as terrorist. Let's hope that common sense will soon prevail and the entire Ukrainian regime will be recognized as terrorist, as well as the US and EU sponsors of terrorism.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 3 August 2022 06: 08
    +4
    I wrote above that this is a war crime, for which all those involved will be punished. From the soldier who aimed or fired at civilians, to the president who sanctioned this shelling.
    . Well, yes, the UN should condemn, but they will punish .... we still have to get to that, but it will not be easy!
    1. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 3 August 2022 11: 00
      0
      then Russia will probably initiate the dissolution and termination of the UN
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 August 2022 11: 05
        +1
        An interesting statement of the question ... but before trying to "turn off" something, it is advisable to take care of creating, at least a project of creating, turning on what will "illuminate" instead of turned off.
        The prospects are foggy, no matter which way you look ... a lot will have to be done to dispel that fog.
        1. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 3 August 2022 11: 11
          0
          We have several formats to replace the UN: CSTO, SCO, BRICS
          on the basis of these forms, it is possible to recreate the UN with a new headquarters in India
          many countries will be members of both the old UN in New York and the new UN
          the question is that in the new UN it will be more profitable for everyone
          the same BRICS will create its own currency - and an analogue of free Euro-bonds
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 3 August 2022 11: 21
            +1
            There is some basis, but it is not enough.
            There are many countries standing aside and everyone has different interests.
            Then, the leagues of nations, the UN and so on, create WINNERS !!!
            And now everything is foggy or even cloudier.
            Those. there is a lot of work to be done, and some events, some of them, should come to a logical and unconditional conclusion, when the winner is determined, the strongest, at least not weaker than the others!
            1. Romario_Argo
              Romario_Argo 3 August 2022 11: 33
              0
              There are many countries standing aside and everyone has different interests.

              I agree. we don't need everything. you need to make it so that we were needed
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 3 August 2022 11: 40
                +1
                So everyone needs WINNERS ... if you didn’t join in time, then at least lean against it. And it doesn’t depend on desire anymore, everyone does it, because it’s more reliable!
                1. Romario_Argo
                  Romario_Argo 3 August 2022 11: 44
                  +1
                  not this way. we don't even need euros
                  but we need prospects and stability
                  We - as it happened historically - can even offer the same Somalia, to build a nuclear power plant, a hydroelectric power station, a paper mill - for the BRICS ruble supported by the ruble and yuan
                  Thus, further strengthening the ruble and confidence in Russia
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 3 August 2022 12: 24
                    +1
                    Time passes and events, too, go on as usual.
                    There will be changes, we'll see.
                    1. Romario_Argo
                      Romario_Argo 3 August 2022 12: 40
                      +2
                      in my opinion, this is not even discussed, where the USSR came and now the Russian Federation
                      construction of nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power stations, combines, plants, factories, hospitals, clinics, schools, kindergartens begin everywhere
                      where the USA comes - it's not for long - then devastation and poverty
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 3 August 2022 13: 06
                        +1
                        We succeed in restoring, but just to live calmly, measuredly, not really, not always.
  10. nikvic46
    nikvic46 3 August 2022 06: 26
    +2
    Of course, you can turn to the UN. But this is useless. The Ukrainian side will take a hundred fakes out of your pocket. And who will have faith?. You can understand the hatred of a woman. all of us. And here we come to the most important thing. We need an ideology that is understandable to all people. The one that exists, people do not understand it. Good thoughts to convey to everyone.
    1. domokl
      3 August 2022 07: 44
      +1
      have already applied. Today
    2. Petrik66
      Petrik66 3 August 2022 10: 03
      +1
      What is needed is not ideology, what is needed is security, ideology will not help with the arrival of a "tornado".
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 3 August 2022 10: 53
        0
        Igor: If there is an ideology, then no "tornado" will arrive.
        1. Petrik66
          Petrik66 3 August 2022 12: 19
          0
          In 41, there was a lot of ideology, but it flew in like that ....
          1. nikvic46
            nikvic46 3 August 2022 13: 15
            +1
            Igor: Ideology and basis must keep pace. In 1941, there were only 34 years of new power. And they crushed such an enemy, whom the Lord does not bring to us.
            1. Petrik66
              Petrik66 3 August 2022 13: 47
              -1
              In 2022, the new government in the Russian Federation will be only 31 years old. And now we are confronted by such an enemy. , against which the Austrian artist Adik is a small shmuk. Now the entire Third Reich, England, the USA and Japan are against us. Well, in our allies we have Belarus. And, of course, a very powerful China, which yesterday managed a little in front of the whole society, and Iran. so now it will be more interesting. And we have one ideology - God have mercy - WE ARE RUSSIAN !!!!
              1. nikvic46
                nikvic46 4 August 2022 06: 31
                +1
                Igor: The world is much more complicated than you think. They paint the world of enemies for us, and they themselves seek Schengen visas for these enemies. And the path through Finland has already been opened directly to the lair of enemies.
                1. Petrik66
                  Petrik66 4 August 2022 09: 44
                  +1
                  And what about Finns? Whoever wants, flies through Istanbul, flies through Dubai. As they rested on the islands or Nice, they continue. It just got a little more expensive, a little longer. The rest is mere groaning of the poor. Previously, at least they were promised the kingdom of God, they say they will figure it out there and everyone will be rewarded according to their faith, and the beggar will boldly go to the VIP places of paradise, and the oligarch and the prosecutor will go through "health" saunas in hell. So now this option does not work, the same communists have canceled . One thing remains - to sit on the VO website and talk about the vicissitudes of fate and how it was in the USSR.))))))
  11. Revolver
    Revolver 3 August 2022 06: 30
    +8
    this is a war crime for which all those involved will be punished. From the soldier who aimed or fired at civilians, to the president who sanctioned this shelling.
    Nothing left to win the war NWO. At all times, the history of the war was written by the victors, and the vanquished went to the tribunal and to the scaffold.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 3 August 2022 10: 45
      +2
      Quote: Nagan
      Nothing left to win the war NWO. At all times, the history of the war was written by the victors, and the vanquished went to the tribunal and to the scaffold.

      Uh-huh ... there is even a bitter joke that a war criminal is a war hero of the losing side.
      Moreover, a joke of life - if you recall the fate of Lockwood and Doenitz or Harris, LeMay and Goering.
  12. Paladin
    Paladin 3 August 2022 07: 01
    +1
    It was not yesterday that Kyiv began to use "Petals" in the Donbass. The first cases of the use of these mines were recorded in May.

    Dear Oleksandr Staver, Ukraine really did not start using PFM-1 mines yesterday, but not in May of this year. but much earlier.
    The Ukrainian military took another step into the abyss of inhuman cruelty: in the ATO zone, the Ukrainian armed forces used anti-personnel high-explosive mines of the PFM-1 type, the so-called “petals”, prohibited by the Geneva Protocol.
    Donetsk, November 2014.

    Then there was also a lot of talk about UN sanctions, so what?
    The only effective sanction is to crush the Nazi reptile and transfer its status from the category of the living to the category of the 200s. All other talk about the UN and some sanctions is wind in the bushes.
  13. AlexSmi1970
    AlexSmi1970 3 August 2022 07: 09
    +2
    The argument of the Ukrainians is always the same - "the Russians themselves are shelling the Donbass." And in the West they will be completely believed.
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 August 2022 07: 20
    +3
    It is enough to remind who teaches the Armed Forces of Ukraine to fight according to their standards and everything falls into place. A state that has arrogated to itself the right to do whatever it wants and use the methods of terrorism can only train terrorists in another state. What is clearly observed in the Donbass: the use of a human shield from the civilian population, the destruction of infrastructure, continuous mining, etc., etc.
  15. anclevalico
    anclevalico 3 August 2022 07: 44
    -1
    The silence of our sheep is characteristic at a time when it is necessary to yell at the whole world, showing this lawlessness. They do not care as much as Kyiv.
  16. Pavel73
    Pavel73 3 August 2022 08: 27
    -1
    The danger of "petals" also lies in the fact that a child, seeing a mine, and not knowing what it is, can pick it up, turn it around, or maybe step on it. It has a soft shell filled with liquid explosives that doubles as a target sensor, and the actuation force (adjustable) can be as low as 5kg. That is, it is enough just to squeeze it with your hands!
  17. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 3 August 2022 08: 54
    +2
    [b
    ]I think that in the near future we should expect the issue of the use of PPM in the UN Security Council.
    [/b] In the Security Council, there is someone to block the resolution. Well, even if they don’t block it, will the UN commission come and severely punish?
  18. Petrik66
    Petrik66 3 August 2022 10: 01
    0
    The goal of the Ukrainian government is to arouse dissatisfaction among the inhabitants of the DPR with the fact that the operation to free them has been going on for six months, and it is getting worse and worse. There is no end in sight to these shellings, and they are being carried out to an ever greater depth, and in Donetsk they are already flying in the Center. mine, in this case, the optimal view. Residents, especially children, will sit pinned at home, not go out anywhere, and so you can practice every day, shoot and forget. People's patience must run out and they must take to the streets and force them to negotiate with Kyiv. Here is the break.
    Let's hope that artillery will be thrown back from the city soon, although the same hurricanes and chemical storms will reach Donetsk for a very long time.
  19. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 3 August 2022 10: 16
    0
    The Ukrainian authorities and the Ukrainian army have a strange logic. In order for the people of Donetsk to want to fall in love with Ukraine, they have to be killed for eight years.

    This is their traditional logic. As part of the struggle for the minds and hearts of the Crimeans, so that they love Ukraine and return back, this Ukraine cut off water and electricity to the Crimeans.
    Taras loved Alexandrina
    shut off the water supply
    then I decided it wasn't enough.
    and cut the wires
  20. Foul skeptic
    Foul skeptic 3 August 2022 10: 19
    0
    But in the Donbass, it is PFM-1 that is used

    It's scattered there indiscriminately. Both PFM-1 and PFM-1S
    In open sources, you can find data on the number of APM in Ukraine at that time. About 6 million (!) PPM, which Kyiv undertook to destroy! Add to this about 700 thousand other types of anti-personnel mines!

    And what is this 700 thousand others of min? If "open sources" (read - Wikipedia) only talk about the mentioned 6 million?
  21. vadivm59
    vadivm59 3 August 2022 10: 38
    0
    here the author writes that anti-tank guns lie in the ground for years and then work. Type "clear mines PMN-2" /; it's creepy to watch !!! how Asians dismantle it with an ax, with a multi-tool. and children are standing around it !!! horror !!!
  22. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 3 August 2022 10: 38
    0
    Kindergarten on emotions.
    "Mean" weapons, well, what a nonsense.
    So the whole science of chemistry, and physics at the same time, can be declared vile. And biology!
    "It's not the gun that kills, it's the man"

    And the same PPM would certainly not have outraged the author if they had been used against attackers who decided to cross our border in small groups of 2-3 million.
  23. Taimen
    Taimen 3 August 2022 12: 16
    0
    To talk about the use of something forbidden by the fascists and Nazis, and even in our time, when not a single law is observed, even by "dear partners" = this is from the realm of fantasy or receiving a fee.
  24. Igor Korbut
    Igor Korbut 3 August 2022 15: 27
    0
    Not the desire of the local population with the position of the puppet authorities of Kyiv, they are enemies that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are very willing to destroy, also with the approval of the United States, only longing for the complete destruction of the Russian-speaking population and the Slavs themselves, recalcitrant to them
  25. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 3 August 2022 19: 08
    0
    Quote: carpenter
    He, along with Meladze, participated in this gathering, which performed

    Announce the list of bastards that Kostya (homo) Ernst will treat us to from the first channel. Why do we have to watch concerts for our taxes, where there are only homosexuals and Russophobes?
  26. Popenko
    Popenko 3 August 2022 19: 36
    0
    I do not understand one thing, why our diplomats are silent? Unlike our media closed in the West, they stick out there (in the West) without getting out. I understand that it is difficult to break into the Western media, but then why the hell are they needed there? Let them arrange a press conference, send our materials to the media, even shout in the street, well, at least do something real. And so, they settled too well, to protest at a closed cabal and go and drink coffee with cognac.
  27. Alebedev
    Alebedev 3 August 2022 20: 16
    -1
    It would be nice to sigh with a nuclear weapon in Kyiv and see what will happen ...
    Well, and in Lviv, of course, too ...
  28. kakvastam
    kakvastam 3 August 2022 23: 16
    0
    Perhaps it would be worth sowing the center of Kyiv or Lvov with educational PFM-1, purely for pedagogical purposes.
    And do not tremble over how they will be shown to a Western layman - all the same, according to the enemy’s version, we are eating babies here.
    Although they don’t care about their own people any less than they do about the Donetsk people, they can add a dozen or two combatants ...
  29. Vladimir M
    Vladimir M 4 August 2022 08: 55
    +1
    From the article - "..it is necessary to drive away at least 35–40 kilometers from the border of the republics", but not to drive away, but to completely close the project "Ukraine" with a mandatory trial of those involved, without any "gestures of good will"
  30. Two
    Two 4 August 2022 13: 48
    0
    hi We need to mirror! We have a lot of this "goods", we need to start "sowing" the western regions of Svidomland with these toys! When they squeak there, then the counterwave will go, and so everything is useless! Especially taking into account the love of banderlogs for the equipment of caches, let them dig! A one-legged hohlohed is always able to dig a mink for itself, where it will die!
  31. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 6 August 2022 15: 00
    0
    We can use PPM, for Ukraine it is a crime. You need to act harder. I don’t understand why, while preparing for a special operation, we didn’t hang 20-50 satellites over Ukraine for at least a year? Where is the A50?
  32. vvn_vl
    vvn_vl 6 August 2022 21: 34
    0
    at the words ukraine should - loud laughter and music from kvn
  33. Yumico
    Yumico 7 August 2022 15: 24
    0
    Kyiv, sprinkle the zapadenschina - they will grow wiser instantly.
  34. nordscout
    nordscout Today, 14: 45
    0
    All Russian "righteous anger" regarding "Lepestki" goes into a "whistle" that no one in Europe hears and will not hear for a long time ... We are still "aggressors", and dill are the righteous and victims of the "Russian aggression". It is necessary to take military steps that would allow Ukraine, in its own skin, to feel all the vileness of their actions...