British howitzers L119 for Ukraine

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British howitzers L119 for Ukraine

One of the first L119 howitzers in Ukraine. Frame from video from Telegram / ChDambiev

Over the past few months, Britain has promised to help Ukraine with the supply of artillery systems. One of the few real results in this direction was the recent delivery of L119 light howitzers and their ammunition. At the same time, it is obvious that several dozen 105-mm guns of a sufficiently large age will not affect the potential of the Ukrainian army in any way.

Promises and deeds


Back in March, the British press reported that the country's leadership was considering the possibility of sending certain artillery systems to Ukraine. In particular, the hypothetical shipment of AS-90 self-propelled guns with a 155 mm caliber gun was discussed. However, officials did not comment on such rumors until a certain time.



The situation was clarified only at the end of April. Then Defense Minister Ben Wallace said that the AS-90 self-propelled guns were outdated, and therefore they would not be transferred to Ukraine. At the same time, the possibility of sending 105 mm L118 light towed guns was considered. How equivalent and logical is such a "replacement", the minister did not specify.

Later it became known that the British leadership approved such a proposal, and it was light howitzers that were to be sent to Ukraine. At the same time, it was decided not to send L118 products from combat units, but unified L119 from storage. In addition, it was announced that the United States would provide 36 rounds for them from its arsenals.


L119 / M119 gun at the Anglo-American exercises, 2015. Photo by the US Department of Defense

The personnel training activities have also started. So, at the end of May, it was reported that 30 artillery instructors from New Zealand arrived in the UK, who will train 230 Ukrainian servicemen. About a month later, at the end of June, British television showed training activities at one of the local training grounds. It was reported that in the near future Ukrainians with a new weapons will go home.

On July 21, B. Wallace spoke about the next package of military-technical assistance to Ukraine. It includes various systems and ammunition, incl. 36 L119 light howitzers and some shots for them. On the same day, the United States announced the future delivery of an additional batch of 36 shells.

It should be noted that the British army had no more than 16 L119 guns in reserve. Where 20 more will be taken is unknown. Most likely, some third country will provide them - for example, the USA, Australia or New Zealand.

Tools in service


Apparently, the actual supply of weapons within the framework of the new package began at least a few days before the latest statements by B. Wallace. So, already on July 24, the first video evidence of the appearance of L119 howitzers in Ukraine appeared. Such a product was removed, presumably, in one of the areas of Donbass, which is still controlled by Ukrainian formations.

The video, which is several seconds long, shows the implement in a towed position, following a tractor on a dirt road. The towing vehicle remained behind the scenes. The exact date of the shooting is unclear. It is also not known where the artillerymen were sent, and what task they faced.


Light howitzer L119 of the New Zealand Army. Photo by New Zealand Ministry of Defense

Reliable data on the use of L119 howitzers in the combat zone are not yet available. It is possible that units with such weapons are not yet ready for combat work. However, it should be expected that in the near future they will begin to move into position and attempt to shell allied troops or settlements. In addition, the first losses are possible in the near future.

Old sample


Like many other weapons transferred to Ukraine, the L119 howitzer is not new. So, the development of the future L118 and L119 began back in 1965. Initially, the army wanted to get a 105-mm howitzer of minimum size with a mass of no more than 1,6 tons. Such a gun could be towed by any army vehicles and transported by helicopters, both in the cockpit and and on an external sling. The development of the project was entrusted to the royal center RARDE.

Initially, the howitzer was developed for the British 105 mm Fd Mk 2 shot. However, in 1968 it was decided to create a new modification for the ammunition of the common American M1 family. Due to this, it was planned to ensure unification within the framework of NATO, as well as to improve the commercial prospects of the gun.

The basic version of the howitzer for the British shot was designated L118. Modification under M1 was designated as L119. The development of two products went in parallel and was completed by the mid-seventies. In 1975-76. howitzers were put into service and went into series.

The British Army ordered several hundred new guns, the L118 being the bulk of them. L119 howitzers were purchased in limited quantities and only for the Royal Artillery School. It was assumed that the training unit would gradually use up the available stock of American shots, and combat units would use 105 mm Fd Mk 2.


American M119 in the process of being deployed. Photo by the US Department of Defense

Such operation of the L119 guns continued until 2005, when the remaining products were decommissioned and replaced with other materiel. It is curious that at that time the British army had no more than 16 of these guns.

Howitzer under the American shot enjoyed a certain popularity in the market. It was bought in various quantities by the United States (adopted as the M119), Australia, Ireland, New Zealand and other countries. Now the list of operators has been supplemented by Ukrainian formations.

Design features


The L118/119 is a 105 mm light towed/air transport howitzer. The total length of the product in the stowed position reaches 8,8 m, weight - 1860 kg. The gun is serviced by a crew of 4-6 people. and can be towed by various tractors or transported by military transport aviation.

The L119 howitzer was built on the basis of the L20 type barrel group. The latter includes a rifled 105-mm barrel with a length of 37 calibers with a muzzle brake and a vertical wedge gate. The shot is carried out by a trigger mechanism with a striker - in contrast to the L118 gun with an electric trigger. The barrel is mounted on hydropneumatic recoil devices of a reduced profile.

The gun uses an L17 type carriage. It has traditional top and bottom looms with sprung wheel travel. A bent tube bed with an opener in the rear is also provided. A base plate is fixed on it in the stowed position. This design of the carriage gives the gun a characteristic appearance.


Shots family M1. Photo by the US Department of Defense

In the combat position, the base plate is lowered to the ground, and the carriage is fixed on it with the help of cables. Due to the rotation on the plate, a rough circular horizontal guidance is provided. Precise guidance is carried out by carriage mechanisms within 5,6 ° to the right and left. Vertical aiming - from -5,6 ° to + 70 °. The gunner uses optical and panoramic sights. The M119A3 modification for the US Army also used an electronic data processing unit for firing.

The L119 is capable of using the M1 line of separate loading rounds. They include a metal sleeve with a variable charge and projectiles for various purposes. There are high-explosive fragmentation, incendiary, smoke and other ammunition. The rate of fire of the gun reaches 6-8 rds / min. Firing range - 11,4 km.

Challenges and limitations


The British 105mm L119 howitzer has a specific balance of strengths and weaknesses. Its overall potential and capabilities are affected by the considerable age of the project as a whole and specific serial products, their current state and other factors. In addition, the volume of supplies of weapons and ammunition for them is of great importance.

The main advantages of the L119 are considered to be low weight and high mobility. A gun with ammunition and crew is easily transported by any trucks. It is also possible to transfer by air, but for Ukraine this is no longer relevant. In addition, the gun is quite easy to operate and can use a wide range of NATO 105mm ammunition.

However, these advantages come with a number of disadvantages. In addition, the specifics of the existing theater of operations affect the potential of the gun. As a result, Ukrainian artillerymen should not count on high results.


Air transport of M119 howitzers

The main drawbacks of the L119 are related to the caliber. The 105-mm gun loses in terms of firing range to other artillery systems widely used in the combat zone. There are increased risks of retaliation with predictable consequences. In addition, the caliber affects the power of the ammunition and the required consumption of shells.

The new caliber also leads to problems in logistics and supply. Now Ukrainian suppliers will have to distribute and transport howitzer shells of four different calibers at once. Whether it will be possible to fit new shots into existing logistics and provide the necessary volumes of delivery is a big question.

The problem is the small number of delivered howitzers. 36 guns will be enough to equip only a few batteries, which will have limited fire capabilities and will not be able to affect the course of the battles. At the same time, there are increased risks of destroying such weapons, and the effectiveness of the entire group will be constantly reduced.

Predictable Scenario


The situation around the L119 howitzers is following a long-familiar scenario. Great Britain got rid of guns that had been idle for many years, and also formally helped Ukraine. Due to the small number of howitzers and limited performance, the value of such assistance is highly questionable. L119 will not be able to influence the course of the battles, and any attempt to use them is associated with increased risks.

However, British howitzers pose a certain danger, and such a threat should not be forgotten. As is the case with other foreign artillery systems, our troops need to use all available capabilities to detect and destroy them. And the experience of recent months shows that the service of 36 L119 products will be short and unsuccessful.
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  1. +3
    29 July 2022 05: 11
    Howitzer - about nothing ...
    For the sake of 36 pieces, start a whole logistics niche ..
    And if there was a retaliatory strike on such a battery?
    They do not even have a protective shield for calculation. One mortar mine and - hello Bandera! wink
    1. +12
      29 July 2022 05: 21
      Although scrap metal, but shooting - and this is already unpleasant. And you need to keep them in a heap, otherwise you will wave shells in three or four directions to deliver. And when in a heap, it is easier to destroy.
    2. +2
      29 July 2022 05: 38
      Yes, even with a pistol you can shoot the calculation .. It remains a trifle, to get close to them at a distance of a mortar-pistol shot
      1. -4
        29 July 2022 07: 22
        Quote: S-Semenov
        Yes, even with a pistol you can shoot the calculation .. It remains a trifle, to get close to them at a distance of a mortar-pistol shot

        And what, a battery of such howitzers - some kind of Death Star?
        They will also pick up a pistol shot.
        There - the "three axes" are already in full swing.
        And this machine will be cooler!
        1. 0
          29 July 2022 07: 51
          This theory works both ways.
          And now what?
    3. +5
      29 July 2022 06: 35
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Howitzer - about nothing ...

      In the Second World War, guns from the time of the Crimean War knocked down the towers of German tanks. Victims of shelling, it doesn’t matter what guns they use to kill them. In any case, they will bring a lot of evil before they are destroyed.
      1. -3
        29 July 2022 07: 19
        The inconsistency of BC in Ukrainian formations becomes anecdotal.
        1. +2
          29 July 2022 08: 13
          Quote: Civil
          The inconsistency of BC in Ukrainian formations becomes anecdotal.

          I don’t know how anecdotal our ukrams seem to be - 23mm. 30mm. 57mm. 75mm. 82mm. 115mm. 120mm. 122mm. 125mm. 152mm. and so on. Even the logistics, for transit, are easier for ukrov. Their enemy DRG neither fires, nor lays mines, nor destroys bridges. Now, this is no longer a joke. Have you seen riddled cars, gumconvoys?
          1. +6
            29 July 2022 08: 55
            please specify about calibers 57 (apparently that old anti-aircraft gun from the DPR on the car) and 75mm (we only had such trophy ones in the Second World War). And do not mix ammunition for BT and artillery in a heap. At the same time, there is usually not much variety for each part, the calibers have not changed for decades, i.e. norms, necessity and order of supply worked out. And the general nomenclature of bp for the RF Armed Forces is, of course, very large, probably for two hundred pages in an order. Well, all the samples are present there, and many old and exotic ones, about which many have not even heard or reliably forgotten.
          2. +7
            29 July 2022 10: 25
            Quote: skeptic
            I don’t know how anecdotal our ukrams seem to be - 23mm. 30mm. 57mm. 75mm. 82mm. 115mm. 120mm. 122mm. 125mm. 152mm. and so on.

            They forgot the 100 mm - among the motorized riflemen and in some places among the anti-tankers.

            But in fact, if you break down the calibers by subordination, then there is not much discord.
            Motorized rifles - 30 mm and 100 mm.
            Tankers - 125 mm and in some places 115 mm.
            Anti-tankers - rare 125 mm and 100 mm.
            Air defense - 23 mm and 30 mm. Moreover, the 30-mm one with the infantry.
            The artillerymen had only 6 calibers left - 82 mm, 120 mm and 240 mm for mortars, 122 mm, 152 mm and 203 mm for gunners. True, there is a variety of types within the same caliber, such as shots for "Non" and "Genocides".
            1. +1
              29 July 2022 17: 02
              True, there is a variety of types within the same caliber, such as shots for "Non" and "Genocides".

              Non has 120mm and Hyacinth has 152mm. Perhaps you meant Nona with a 120mm mortar, and Hyacinth with Acacia?
              1. +3
                30 July 2022 15: 02
                Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                Non has 120mm and Hyacinth has 152mm. Perhaps you meant Nona with a 120mm mortar, and Hyacinth with Acacia?

                You are right, I expressed myself inaccurately. Should be:
                True, there is a variety of types within the same caliber, such as 120-mm shots for Non and 152-mm for Genocides that are not suitable for other systems of the same caliber.
              2. 0
                23 September 2022 08: 57
                Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                Hyacinth with Acacia?

                And the 85-mm guns D-44 and D-48 ... And what are the problems with Nona? Well, Nona's "rifled" shells are not used in the Sleigh; but feathered mines from 120-mm mortars "bullet" well from Non!
      2. +3
        29 July 2022 07: 42
        During the Second World War, the tools of the temporary period of the Crimean War were still not used.
        Perhaps you mention the use of 107 mm guns, but they still appeared a little later.
        1. +1
          29 July 2022 08: 00
          Quote: saigon
          Perhaps you mention the use of 107 mm guns, but they still appeared a little later.

          Is it of fundamental importance? About, a little later - before the revolution ... suit? Or just a desire to "show off", forgetting about the meaning of the commentary and its purpose?
          1. +3
            29 July 2022 17: 16
            Quote: skeptic
            Quote: saigon
            Perhaps you mention the use of 107 mm guns, but they still appeared a little later.

            Is it of fundamental importance? About, a little later - before the revolution ... suit? Or just a desire to "show off", forgetting about the meaning of the commentary and its purpose?

            Paradoxically, the meaning of a comment is to give more detailed information on a topic.
            I won’t say about the Great Patriotic War, which are the oldest guns used for a breakthrough. I dare to suggest 37mm Gotchix.
            In the First World War, if I'm not mistaken, a stone core flew into the dodrendout Agamemnon.
            Moreover, this is the second British ship to receive a stone gift, the first rake three-quarters of a century earlier.
            1. +2
              29 July 2022 21: 12
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              In the First World War, if I'm not mistaken, a stone core flew into the dodrendout Agamemnon.

              Not mistaken hi
              1. +2
                30 July 2022 05: 01
                I can be mistaken with the name of the armadillo, but the fact is the place to be. If you want, I can dig into my personal archive.
                1. +1
                  30 July 2022 09: 32
                  Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                  I can be mistaken with the name of the armadillo, but the fact is the place to be. If you want, I can dig into my personal archive.

                  "Lord Nelson" (Lord Nelson) Plm 18.5.05 / 4.9.06 / 10.1908 excl. 1920

                  "Agamemnon" (Agamemnon) Brdm 15.5.05 / 23.6.06 / 6.1908 excl. 1923



                  16 090/17 820 t, 135,2x24,23x7,92 m. PM - 2, 15 PCs, 16750hp = 18 knots 900/2000 tons of coal + 400 tons of oil. Armor: belt up to 305 mm, GK turrets 203 mm, SK turrets 178 mm, wheelhouse 305 mm, decks 76 - 25 mm. Ek. 800 people 4 - 305 mm / 45, 10 - 234 mm / 50, 24 - 76 mm, 2-47 mm, 5 TA 457 mm.



                  The last British pre-dreadnoughts. They had the largest side armor area in their class (80 percent). With the outbreak of war, both served in the Canal fleet, and in February 1915 they were transferred to the Mediterranean. Participated in the Dardanelles operation, during which Agamemnon received more than 50 shells from Turkish coastal batteries, including stone (!) 14-inch. May 5, 1916 anti-aircraft artillery "Agamemnon" destroyed the German airship LZ-85. "Lord Nelson" throughout the war (until April 1919) served as the flagship, and after being excluded from the fleet, she was scrapped. "Agamemnon" was converted into a radio-controlled target and was used in a new capacity until 1926.

                  S. A. Balakin. British Navy 1914-1918 Composition Handbook

                  Let me make things a little easier for you.)hi
            2. +2
              29 July 2022 22: 22
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              Paradoxically, the meaning of a comment is to give more detailed information on a topic.
              About the Great Patriotic War,

              Quote: Paul Siebert
              Howitzer - about nothing ...

              It was this comment that made me mention that even old guns bring death to civilians. By the way - "nothing".
              In the Second World War, guns from the time of the Crimean War knocked down the towers of German tanks. Victims of shelling, it doesn’t matter what guns they use to kill them. In any case, they will bring a lot of evil before they are destroyed.
    4. +3
      29 July 2022 07: 28
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Howitzer - about nothing ...

      TTX products are not fully disclosed.
      Even the firing range is not indicated.
      The information content of the article is so-so ...
      More suitable for the heading News than Armament.
      1. +4
        29 July 2022 09: 54
        hi
        Quote: Mister X
        Even the firing range is not indicated.

        How is it not listed? wink
        The rate of fire of the gun reaches 6-8 rds / min. Firing range - 11,4 km.
        1. +4
          29 July 2022 10: 22
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          How is it not listed?

          You get a prize for observation)
          Probably at this point I spilled coffee on the table wink
          1. +2
            31 July 2022 01: 22
            Quote: Mister X
            Probably at this point I spilled coffee on the table

            It's okay, in any case, the figure is incorrect. Up to 19,5 km with an active-rocket projectile.
    5. +12
      29 July 2022 09: 56
      Classic just won.

      This weapon is in the D30 class - only much lighter and more mobile.
      So far, shells have been sent at 2k per cannon (72 thousand), but unlike 155 mm, 105 mm are heaped in warehouses and they are not very in demand, so shell hunger does not threaten.
      The classic transfer scheme is used - the first trial batch, efficiency assessment, stop or increase in supplies. For L119 / M119, a possible supply pool of 250-300 guns because the Americans are reducing them at home + Australia + milking the little things (Portugal, Spain).

      Closes the battalion artillery level. The format of application is nomadic batteries with a binding (the same Kropiva) and correction of drones / light UAVs (just a zone of 6-12 km is oversaturated with reconnaissance equipment). Shooting for a minute and a half, folding and moving. Given that the howitzer is light, it will be transported not only by 1,5 tons of trucks, but also by pickup trucks.
  2. -5
    29 July 2022 05: 23
    On those, wretchedly, that I do not like.
  3. Eug
    +9
    29 July 2022 06: 40
    Despite all these shortcomings, it perfectly fits the concept of "mobile infantry warfare" (it's a pity that the article does not indicate the time of transfer from a transport position to a combat position and vice versa). Apparently, ZSU are "sharpened" specifically for it. Regarding the protection of l / s - the same thing on the Soviet D-30.
    1. -7
      29 July 2022 08: 15
      The rabble forces of Ukraine are sharpened by sitting in boilers and dying under bombs.
  4. 0
    29 July 2022 07: 12
    There will be no bridges, auto and railway roads in Ukraine, and there will be no howitzers. Is it really easier to destroy a howitzer than a bridge?
    1. -1
      29 July 2022 08: 17
      How will you destroy the bridge over the dam across the Dnieper, if then it will wash away everything to Kherson? Already tired of reading this nonsense about bridges and roads, all this is restored very easily and there is a lot of all this.
  5. +1
    29 July 2022 08: 14
    And what, have the dill already run out of D-30s? In general, of course, a win, especially if the AS-90s are declared obsolete.

    However, this does not negate the need for repressive measures against the British Nazis.
    1. +5
      29 July 2022 10: 00
      The main problems of the D30 are low mobility (and the need for a decent tractor), they were knocked out very decently, even according to the video from Konashenkov, they were frequent heroes for the first 3 months. Outrageous shooting of trunks. There were not so many of them (about 150 guns).
      1. +2
        31 July 2022 01: 32
        D-30 in good condition can only be taken in Finland. Search for all sorts of india-angols is more expensive, a cat in a poke. Worse than that, whoever has this stuff in bulk is in the custody of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but users from the LDNR write that even they have problems with ammunition. Therefore, now they are changing to D-20. How can it be that 10 thousand guns of this caliber on the balance sheet of the RF Armed Forces (M-30, D-30, 2S1) may not have shells, I don’t understand, but this is what they write from the fields.

        By the way. There are quite a lot of carnations both in Ukraine and in the former police department.
  6. +5
    29 July 2022 08: 18
    I used to go to VO and read articles. Now you open the article, look who the author is and close the article. comrade ryabov, you would calm down if only for the sake of decency. not interested! write the same thing. with a claim to a clever syllable.
  7. +2
    29 July 2022 09: 06
    The firing range of the system is 11 km, almost like a 120mm mortar (which is even more compact and mobile, and the mine is much more powerful). Yesterday, on all the news, they showed how the 152mm "Hyacinth - B" of the troops of the Republics is firing. Here it has a range of up to 30 km. I noticed a bunch of shell casings near the gun, that is, the guys obviously stand in position for a long time and are not particularly afraid of any "counter-battery fight" with such a range.
  8. -2
    29 July 2022 09: 48
    The speed of delivery and the obviously weak performance characteristics of the guns only say one thing, that the Soviet-made guns were practically knocked out of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And now the reports of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation are clear about the destroyed batteries and artillery platoon of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
    1. +2
      31 July 2022 01: 35
      Quote: Dzenn
      they only talk about one thing, that Soviet-made guns are practically knocked out from the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

      The Soviet-made guns were supposed to end on their own - the former brothers did not bother with the production of shells or the production of interchangeable barrels.
  9. -4
    29 July 2022 11: 28
    The main advantages of the L119 are considered to be low weight and high mobility.

    How accurate are they? Is there an MSA with satellite navigation? It is not clear at all how the aiming of the gun is carried out
  10. +2
    29 July 2022 12: 49
    Samsonovshchina, Podymovshchina and, finally, Ryabovshchina. Senseless and ruthless...
  11. 0
    29 July 2022 15: 02
    Predictable Scenario
    This phrase could replace the content of all articles of this author on a given topic ... winked
  12. 0
    10 August 2022 13: 35
    I like Mr.
    Ryabov Kirill from the series "Useless and obsolete". I'm sure he would have said the same thing even if B61 nuclear bombs had been delivered. smile
  13. 0
    10 September 2022 21: 56
    Why not self-propelled? Why not network-centric? Can it receive data directly from the UAV? Isn't it time for the L119 "in the dustbin of history"? laughing laughing
  14. 0
    10 September 2022 22: 12
    Russia abandoned the single-beam gun carriage a century ago - in the 30s of the past ... It sucks.
  15. 0
    13 October 2022 16: 49
    A good thing in counterguerrilla operations and in the mountains on the lung. But against 122 mm D-30 this is a one-way ticket, about 152 mm and even more so. But this is much better than nothing for the APU. To support the offensive at the regimental level is quite. The question, as always, is not so much in caliber, cannon, the question is in operational intelligence and calculation skills. And so 30 seconds to switch from combat to marching and run until they covered ....
    Many wrote about the logistical nightmare with different ammunition. Well, ozone, amazon, aliexpress deliver millions of items and no one complains .... Mixing is impossible in this caliber in Ukraine there is nothing like it.