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When Russia will start a special operation for real

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They don't take the city by standing.

Speed ​​and pressure are the soul of real war.
Politics is a rotten egg.

A.V. Suvorov

Let's ask one extremely uncomfortable question - why in the special operation in Ukraine Russia behaves relatively "galantly", allowing the Armed Forces of Ukraine to receive (albeit partially) weaponwithout inflicting significant blows on decision-making centers, infrastructure? Yes, our rockets and artillery inflict huge damage on the enemy! But there are still some red lines.

Here is the opinion of O. Tsarev, a former deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, who warned us about the attack on Donbass:

“... The West is trying not to cross certain red lines, including not supplying ... weapons that can seriously affect the course of a military campaign. In response, Russia does not “calibrate” Kyiv, the electrical substations that feed the cities, and does not destroy the transport infrastructure ... Otherwise, it is impossible to explain what is happening now. Of course, such agreements, if any, drastically reduce losses on both sides.”

Our intentions are good and full of humanity - there is no need to create complete chaos there. But everyone (!) feels that in all this stories something is wrong. The Russian army, the second in the ranking of the strongest armies in the world after the United States, cannot be constrained in its actions by the enemy army, which occupies only (!) 22nd place. And the Ukrainian territory cannot be the “Mannerheim Line” in all places (and that one was taken), there must be weak points - and our intelligence is well aware of this.

And if Moscow has been following the red lines since 1985, then they are not written for the West. However, in fact, stretching the time of the special operation multiplies the losses of the parties, and lethal weapons - (MLRS) HIMARS are still being delivered!

According to the director of the Institute for Political Studies, Sergei Markov:

“The Russian authorities may find themselves in a dangerous situation of reducing public support for the military operation in Ukraine. The reason is that the Russian army is not advancing and is not inflicting serious blows on the Kyiv regime. This causes growing disillusionment in society. The patriotically oriented part of society ... suspects ... the lack of political will of the Russian leadership for a serious war. The absence of serious strikes against the headquarters and communications through which mass deliveries of weapons from NATO countries to the Ukrainian army go is inexplicable in public opinion. And they are not explained in any way by the authorities. So the authorities risk losing contact with the population.”

Perhaps the political scientist is harsh, but there is a problem. According to military expert Mikhail Khodarenok:

“A strategy has been adopted to deplete the enemy’s resources. After the final retirement of the combat-ready backbone of the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as the deprivation of the Ukrainian troops of the minimum number of heavy weapons, repair and fuel and lubricant resources, things will go faster.”

It is very reasonable, indeed now in the Donbass it is “grinding” and the most combat-ready part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has already failed. But in terms of supplying the Armed Forces of Ukraine, we see a “phoenix effect” due to NATO supplies, while the stretching of time allows us to constantly replenish the combat strength, albeit with forces of poorer quality.

Need a middle ground


1. The supply of groups is being carried out, which are even in a semi-encirclement. The main scourge of the special operation is Avdiivka, which is located on a hill. On June 13, the Armed Forces of Ukraine carried out the most powerful shelling of Donetsk in the entire conflict, including M777 guns (USA) and French Caesars, which reached the front line through Poland and Romania (!). Finally, there is a shift here too - the armed formations of the DPR took it into a semi-circle, the batteries of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to be more effectively suppressed. The stockpiles of chemicals, which cannot be destroyed, and the fortifications at the plant itself also prevent a strike on Avdiivka.

2. But there are also economic reasons, and they probably dominate. The coking plant is the largest in Europe, and, in addition to Akhmetov, the interests of other foreign investors may be involved there.

3. As you know, Roman Abramovich in March came under the sanctions of Great Britain and the European Union. However, around March 23, US President Joe Biden removed him from sanctions at the request of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in advance, since he was assigned the role of mediator in the negotiations in Istanbul, which took place on March 29. And they want to scale this successful example. The West is pushing the idea of ​​giving Russian businessmen the opportunity to “pay off the sanctions” by sending money to help Ukraine. Allegedly, such a proposal was made by the Deputy Minister of Finance of Canada, Chrystia Freeland, after a preliminary discussion (!) Of her idea with the "Russian oligarchs".

4. As Zbigniew Brzezinski said:

“Russia can have as many ... nuclear buttons as you like, but since the Russian elite has $500 billion in our banks, you still have to figure it out: is it your elite or already ours? I do not see a single situation in which Russia will use its nuclear potential.”

It is enough to replace the word "nuclear" with "military". Moreover, we are talking about a much larger amount. According to the Boston Consulting Group, in 2014 alone, the volume of funds withdrawn by residents of the Russian Federation to offshore reached about $2 trillion.

5. There is evidence that the use of Western weapons allows the Armed Forces of Ukraine to conduct a fairly effective counteraction to the Russian army. In particular, military correspondent Oleksandr Sladkov stated in his Telegram channel that the Armed Forces of Ukraine (APU) have recently delivered effective strikes against Russian decision-making centers (!).

6. And here is the message of I. Strelkov:

“Apparently, Russian air defense systems ... turned out to be ineffective against massive attacks by Himers missiles ... Over the past 5-7 days, more than 10 large warehouses of artillery and other ammunition, several oil depots, about a dozen command posts and about the same number of locations of personal composition in our near and deep rear. As well as several air defense positions and artillery positions ... when devastating strikes begin on the so-called transport system. "Ukraine", through which all these "Himers", "777" and "Caesars" (as well as ammunition for them) are safely and unhindered delivered to the combat area?

7. As early as April 14, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said that the United States does not see Russia trying to interrupt the flow of American weapons entering Ukraine:

“Flights to transshipment points in the region are still operating… Every day, aid arrives in Ukraine… weapons, materials… We have not seen any attempts by Russia to cut off this flow. And we're just going to keep doing it."

After this fact was announced in Mikhalkov's Besogon, reports began to appear in the media that warehouses were broken, cargo, bridges, etc. were destroyed. There were also explanations why it was difficult to stop deliveries: the Russian Federation does not want to violate the integrity of the railways, since this will make it impossible for the population to leave the zone of operation, paralyze civilian supplies; cargoes are delivered disguised under the flag of the Red Cross, a mixed composition of civilian and military purposes is drawn up, which cannot be hit.

In fact, arms deliveries are certainly being destroyed, the question is in what proportion. The paradox is that if these deliveries were destroyed "under the root" - they would simply stop. And Kirby clearly hints at this. So, politics is a rotten egg.

According to (17.06) the Kremlin spokesman, the main goal of the operation is to ensure the safety of the inhabitants of Donbass "from the barbaric shelling of the Kyiv military." And this goal has not been achieved: the shelling does not stop. Moreover, the impudent enemy in his madness is hatching plans for a counteroffensive, the return of the southeastern lands, attacks on the Crimean bridge, etc. Where does all this come from?

The answer is simple - Western help is coming, and Ukraine, having found its calling in the role of an obliging serf, feels the help of a giant octopus. But the mongrels of the West understand only strength, and only a powerful defeat can force Ukraine to change its plans.

Now about the extremely surprising US forecasts regarding the pace of the operation, made on the eve of the special operation - in February 2022:

"Three US officials told Newsweek they expect the Ukrainian capital to 'fall' within days."

And even the head of the US Chiefs of Staff, General Mark Milley, during closed hearings in Congress, said that in the event of Russia's "invasion" of Ukraine, Kyiv would fall in 3 days.

Perhaps society underestimates the real consequences of Istanbul. We made another gift to the West and Kyiv by withdrawing troops from it. At that time, all the media actively wrote that we would send these forces to the Donbass to wage the main battle - the so-called "Donetsk arc", but we have not yet seen massive actions. In fact, the reason may be different.

Our oligarchic elite and the "fifth column", suffering huge losses from the "economic iron curtain", experiencing constant pressure from their Western partners, fearing an even greater deepening of sanctions, puts pressure on the Kremlin. And as long as our power depends on them, the constant "pulling" back and forth cannot be avoided. Our oligarchy will still have time to prove itself as a "real fifth column". But the government, which has grown up in cooperation with them, does not yet understand this. But you can expect anything from them. However, the logic of the development of the situation may lead to the mass disappearance of this class - the nationalization of raw materials is inevitable.

"In order to create favorable conditions for negotiations, we wanted to make a gesture of goodwill,"

- said the press secretary of the President Peskov.

Now let us present the assessments of a number of military experts of the negative consequences of the withdrawal of our troops:

“What is the risk of the withdrawal of Russian troops, which covered Kyiv from the west on the right bank? This grouping hung over the main communications that connected the west of the country with its center and east. Now the way for the supply of weapons from Poland is open ... In addition, there is a danger of attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine on important industrial and energy facilities of the Russian Federation.”

And the second assessment is regarding the fettering of the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the use of the forces of the Russian Federation:

“Will they leave their troops? If only the troops were withdrawn from the bridgehead, then they will remove all this from there. Therefore, talking about what needs to be concentrated in one fist is unrealistic. The Gostomel bridgehead attracted three times more forces than all the others, than now this number will go to the east of Ukraine, to the left-bank front. There are things when this is not a military decision… These are purely political reasons.”

Yes, we won a really huge victory - we took Mariupol, starved out Azovstal - we advanced from the flanks, and this is a great success. Victory is close, but we need to take the Donbass into a dense encirclement, and this step is still (!) not.

It is obvious that the original plan was Plan A (the beginning of a special operation), and the pace of the operation in Ukraine was more understandable. Who knows why the first commander left, perhaps he could not support the "Istanbul" option - plan B.

Why can't we ensure peace in Donbas yet?


There is the following hypothesis. The parties observe some red lines, but the West has been constantly “throwning” us, at least since 1985. V. Putin back in December 2021 said that Moscow was "pinned" to the red lines, and she had nowhere else to retreat. The holding of negotiations on grain and fertilizers in the same Istanbul and the slowdown in Europe's decision to completely refuse Russian gas clearly show that there are red lines! The US has not completely cut us off from the “dollar” (!), there are banks that make transactions. Ukraine is not supplied with certain types of weapons. Kyiv has not yet committed sabotage on Russian territory, and we do not see any strikes on Crimea. But at the same time, there are no agreements on NATO expansion, which was the reason for the onset of the crisis, when Moscow first delivered an ultimatum and later resorted to a special military operation.

But then, when our troops showed unprecedented power in the first weeks of the special operation, while occupying vast territories, we were invited to Istanbul and, as in Minsk in 2014, we were offered new red lines. Perhaps we were on the verge of Minsk-3, but only the extremely negative reaction of the Russian society and the fanaticism of Zelensky prevented this.

And we again comply with them, curtailing the scale of the special operation, not realizing that all this will be used against us. Or yielding by inertia, as we have become accustomed to since 1985. Let us recall the historic meeting of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, at which the decision on the NMD was made. So how many of its members offered options - first to notify US President Biden about the decision of the Russian Federation, live in front of the whole country? The US does not have any red lines - that is why they are pumping weapons into Ukraine, and sooner or later this may give a result. If we do not understand, there is simply nothing to be afraid of.

What will be our next push? There must be some event "H" or the achievement of some action on the part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which will make the "Russian bear" wake up and tear his enemies with strong paws. And these enemies are Ukrainian "demons" who have broken through to power. One of the options is the supply of Hymers systems. And the second is a possible major armed provocation by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which will bring us tangible losses.

And here are the new news - NATO in the coming months as a priority intends to increase the supply of (MLRS) HIMARS, and the greater our success, the greater will be support for NATO. And after that, as on February 24, we will have to enter a new orbit, breaking a new level of red lines.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said on July 7 that Russia has not yet begun to show what it is capable of.

“Everyone should know that by and large we haven’t really started anything yet.”

And this is 100% fact.

Russia acts with varying severity, avoiding massive contact, focusing on remote strikes and showing maximum diplomacy, relying on the turn of the situation and "probing" the possibility of gradual success.

We do not yet have goals for the restoration of the empire, although the course of history pushes us in this direction. If we liberate a significant part of Ukraine (Plan A) - and then annex it to Russia, the West will perceive this as an attempt to restore the empire - which is like a red rag to a bull. And we do not know what to expect from them in this case. And the operation is still (!) Protracted. But if the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine crumbles, we will not lose ours.

According to Oleg Tsarev, some Russian officials are interested in our controlled defeat, trying to maintain their power!

“Imagine... that you have achieved everything in your life... And suddenly life changes dramatically... Change is required, and change can lead to a change in the power elite. How to avoid it?
... It is necessary to control the defeat in the war, concessions to the West, which will allow us to return the status quo, and therefore retain power ...
In such a situation, the old elites ... are trying with all their might to prevent the early end of hostilities by defeating the enemy ...
Therefore, we do not freeze Western assets, which would be a logical and symmetrical response to Western financial and economic sanctions. We continue to pay debts to "unfriendly countries".

(Quote dated May 12.05.2022, XNUMX).

Back in April, military commander Alexander Sladkov put forward his concept of achieving a complete victory in Ukraine:

“Conclusion: the opponent cannot be beaten on points… It is necessary to knock out… we have two options.
First: to wage a slow war, stammering about each village, but moving forward (a year, two?). <…>
The second option is assault. That is, the mobilization of all forces for a decisive blow. And here - what is more rational? A long war against 20 countries, the economic leaders of the world, or a quick solution ...
Well, and the maximum build-up of forces in Ukraine, in order to turn from a gallant musketeer into a hero Ilya Muromets with a huge club. This club should beat, not lie down.

In his mind, this is a tripling of the combat potential in Ukraine.

And here is Ramzan Kadyrov's address to the President dated March 4:

“Give an order to our fighters to capture Kharkov, Kyiv and all other cities, quickly, clearly, efficiently ... I can’t watch how my and our fighters, the Ministry of Defense, the National Guard and other structures die. I beg you to close your eyes to everything and let them finish in a day or two what is happening there. Only this will save our state and people. This is my firm opinion."

So, when will Russia finally start a special operation for real? Soon at the door...
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  1. Tired
    Tired 30 July 2022 04: 38
    +45
    Actually, the main message of the article is clear. But what if such a slow course of the NMD is not the result of some behind-the-scenes intrigues, but simply a demonstration of Russia's real military capabilities? This question, in my opinion, is the key one.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 30 July 2022 05: 16
      +6
      Quote: Tired
      But what if such a slow course of the NMD is not the result of some behind-the-scenes intrigues, but simply a demonstration of Russia's real military capabilities?

      If it is true,
      Well, at least a third,
      One thing remains:
      Just lay down, die...

      None of the first persons will tell us this, and "talker birds" do not play a role in governing the country. Moreover, their opinion is already beginning to reek of various inconsistencies and countless "repetitions".
      In this case, the main thing is the end result and the efforts that are being made to achieve it as soon as possible.
      1. Evil 55
        Evil 55 30 July 2022 14: 07
        +14
        Despite all the philanthropic stories and hysteria about war crimes, I believe that bridges should be hit in a ratio of 1: 3, and the infrastructure should also be hit, but not the peaceful quarters of Banderlozhy Western cities in the same proportion - one Donetsk vs Lvov, Lutsk , Ternopil, etc.. hi
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    2. Stas157
      Stas157 30 July 2022 05: 42
      +84
      One person, in the fifth month of hostilities, said that we had not started anything seriously yet.

      Then the question arises. What is the military operation for? For what? After all, if you don't start something, you can't finish it.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 30 July 2022 06: 26
        -20
        Seriously, this is a war where recruits will be thrown - not trained meat. Losses will multiply.
        1. Al manah
          Al manah 30 July 2022 06: 42
          +9
          Is it not possible to replace contract soldiers across the country with conscripts, who will be sent to the zone of the NWO?
          1. aslanxnumx
            aslanxnumx 30 July 2022 21: 23
            +5
            There are few contractors, and there are few who want to.
        2. Mikhail Sidorov
          Mikhail Sidorov 30 July 2022 08: 40
          +46
          Seriously, this is a war where recruits will be thrown - not trained meat. Losses will multiply.

          Why do you think the mobilized residents of the LDNR should fight for all of Russia? Why are they worse, for example, the Crimeans or us Belgorodians? I often hear and read: what good are these mobilized people supposedly... Why was the LDNR mobilized? This infantry bears the brunt of the war. Fights with dignity.
          1. Jsilver
            Jsilver 30 July 2022 15: 29
            +4
            Everything is simple here. The Russian authorities are by no means fools (albeit with oddities) and remember history. And they remember how the coffins from Afghanistan influenced the fate of the USSR. Therefore, residents of the LDNR can be sent to the SVO for mobilization (who counts them), and citizens of the Russian Federation only under a contract and preferably not from large cities, so that the flow of coffins does not cause unnecessary irritation in society.
            1. Jager
              Jager 30 July 2022 17: 30
              +12
              Losses for 9 years of Afghanistan do not exceed the losses of one day of the Great Patriotic War.
              1. UAZ 452
                UAZ 452 30 July 2022 20: 35
                +1
                Do you think that the slogan "we can repeat" is just about the level of losses? Better, I think, not to repeat.
              2. Jsilver
                Jsilver 31 July 2022 02: 36
                -5
                The Afghan war is not WWII. Stalin's USSR and Brezhnev's USSR are two big differences. And it was much easier for Soviet citizens to explain why their sons should die near Stalingrad, but it is almost impossible why near Kandahar.
                1. Alex Barrett
                  Alex Barrett 31 July 2022 11: 43
                  -3
                  And today it will probably be difficult to explain why the son died near Kharkov or Odessa, although there seem to be no losses
                  1. Palmyra
                    Palmyra 2 August 2022 12: 37
                    +1
                    Difficult? So the Russians still have not understood that the West did not come for Ukraine, the West came for Russian resources. Ukraine is just a tool. Praise be to the president that this war is on foreign territory and Ukraine is a training ground.
                  2. mirexes
                    mirexes 8 August 2022 10: 32
                    +1
                    Who said there are no losses?
            2. aslanxnumx
              aslanxnumx 30 July 2022 21: 25
              +1
              At the moment, as centenarians say, there are more deaths than in Afghanistan
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman 30 July 2022 23: 37
                0
                Afghan ha 8 years claimed the lives of 18000 soldiers of the 200s. Now the numbers are already comparable plus or minus. although who knows
                1. Edvid
                  Edvid 1 August 2022 00: 59
                  +3
                  In the USSR, in order of magnitude, 20000 people died from alcohol in a year, plus the same number in car accidents, plus the same number disappeared for unknown reasons ...
                  1. Bronik
                    Bronik 8 August 2022 02: 55
                    -1
                    From low-quality alcohol or surrogates. They didn’t die from quality, only if you guzzle half a bucket of vodka, it’s suicidal.
            3. ratoborets
              ratoborets 31 July 2022 10: 29
              +10
              how coffins from Afghanistan influenced the fate of the USSR

              The fate of the USSR was influenced by traitors at the top. First of all, Tagged and Drunkard. Secondly, the local nationalist kings who were in power in many republics and demanded "independence" in order to gain undivided power and the opportunity to rob their own people without control. The fact that life in most of the Union republics became worse they did not care, and the Russians were appointed the main scapegoat.
          2. ammunition
            ammunition 31 July 2022 02: 18
            +21
            Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
            why should the mobilized residents of the LDNR fight for all of Russia? Why are they worse, for example, the Crimeans or us Belgorodians? I often hear and read: what good are these mobilized people supposedly... Why was the LDNR mobilized? This infantry bears the brunt of the war. Fights with dignity.

            Yes. They carry the main infantry weight. But what kind of tension? What a waste of all your spiritual strength .. and how much of your blood? link-
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGn_0lFcVg4&ab_channel=AntonGerashchenko
            The usual .. in general, the boy is a student.
            But !!! I think ..- to send such absolutely untrained and completely unadapted soldiers into battle is almost a crime.
            What can even a battalion of 600 similar soldiers do against the motorized rifle platoon that I remember? I will answer - nothing. Nothing at all.
            And that's not an insult!! In order for the soldier to rebuild .. and adapt the nervous system .. so that the soldier begins to see something minimally on the battlefield .. and at least minimally navigate the situation, it takes six months (at least) of intensive and hard training. And so that the soldier learns to shoot on the battlefield at a "C grade" .. that is, at the very least ... and so that the soldier learns standard commands, so that he develops minimal tactical techniques, so that he more or less adapts physically. And most importantly - so that his psyche begins to behave reasonably on the battlefield. All this requires (at least) six months of intensive training. Of which - five months - it's constant and brutal training .. and a month of a sparing regimen for recovery.
            What I wrote is the bare minimum. It takes at least a year to get a good soldier.
            Otherwise... Well, what can a beginner chess player do against a master? Nothing.. the master will remove his queen from the board and win easily. Without a queen.
            So .. back in March, it was necessary to call up um .. conscripts .. and train them hard and intensively .. and not earlier than October, only into battle.
            ---------------
            I am writing sincerely .. and I know that everyone knows this. And there is also a shortage of trained and skilled flight officers - a platoon - a company - a battalion. It is necessary to call forty-year-old majors from the reserve. sad Ehma! What a blessing that I am not the Minister of Defense .. and not a general .. otherwise .. most likely I would have died right there from the burden of responsibility.
            1. Fima
              Fima 31 July 2022 21: 17
              +4
              The answer is "ammunition". You are right, and it costs a lot to explain to a "contractor", even a man of 20-30 years old, that involuntary defecation is not shame, but simply a normal psychological reaction of the body.
            2. Shark Lover
              Shark Lover 1 August 2022 06: 49
              +10
              You are right for the most part, I will add. In 1985, I graduated as a lieutenant (DVOKU), four years of rather tough study (very high quality indeed). Graduation in July, I arrived in Afghanistan in November 85, four months have passed. I began to "see" only after two or three exits, got used to the situation, got used to a completely different way of life. It's a couple of months. Then it went on increasing, acclimatization on the battlefield took place very quickly after the first shot. I crap (physically) after a year and a half, I piled a bunch right into the camouflage coat, well, there was a situation. Why am I, if I was trained for four years, I was blind for two months, then how can a mobilized person be taught? I think it's more of a setting. LDNR, DNR have been living in the conditions of Afghanistan for eight years, they are already in this situation, let's take a trained from the Far East and local untrained guys, the locals will understand much faster when to lie down and when to fall))))
      2. dorz
        dorz 30 July 2022 07: 02
        +16
        The world behind the scenes, the tip of the iceberg of puppeteers. For those who believe that Ukraine is only a tool.

        Australian Edition National Review writes that three large American transnational consortia bought 17 million hectares of Ukrainian agricultural land.

        For comparison, there are 16,7 million hectares of agricultural land in all of Italy. So it turns out that three American companies bought more useful agricultural land in Ukraine than there is in all of Italy.

        The entire area of ​​Ukraine is 60 million hectares, and 17 million hectares have been bought.

        What are these companies? Cargill, Dupont and Monsanto are the last officially German-Australian, but with American capital. Their main shareholders are American Vanguard, BlackRock and Blackstone.

        BlackRock manages $10 trillion, Vanguard manages $6 trillion, Blackstone manages $881 billion. These are companies that create the future of civilization. Such largest
        funds can be counted on the fingers of one hand.

        Source: https://www.australiannationalreview.com/lifestyle/three-large-american-multinationals-bought-17-million-hectares-of-ukrainian-agricultural-land/
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 31 July 2022 10: 43
          +4
          Quote: dorz
          three US companies have bought more usable agricultural land in Ukraine than there is in all of Italy.
          And the scavengers failed: neither an inch of land to appropriate, nor money to return back from Ukraine will work.
        2. Li17
          Li17 31 July 2022 21: 03
          +4
          And why go far, I have agricultural land in my area owned by a Frenchman! Locals are unhappy that after the end of the harvest (the harvest is good) they didn’t arrange a holiday! So if you dig, our servants not only graze over the hillock, but our masters also care!
          1. mirexes
            mirexes 8 August 2022 10: 36
            0
            Have you personally seen the purchase and sale paper? She's just for rent anyway.
            1. Li17
              Li17 8 August 2022 15: 24
              0
              And what does it change? And who manages the land at the time of the lease? And where does the rental income go? Who owns the harvest?
      3. Doctor
        Doctor 30 July 2022 12: 15
        +3
        Then the question arises. What is the military operation for? For what? After all, if you don't start something, you can't finish it.

        Perhaps everything is easier. It seems to our strategists that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are about to merge. One more effort, one village taken and victory. Ukraine will ask for peace. On our terms.
        And then to restore all this in the liberated territories ...
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 30 July 2022 12: 19
          +11
          Our strategists think
          you need to know for sure, but what seems to be a mirage.
        2. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 30 July 2022 20: 37
          +2
          They may think so, they may not. But the fact is that even one side can start a war, but it can end only with the consent of all its participants. Or after the complete destruction of one of the warring parties.
        3. Raven 95
          Raven 95 30 July 2022 22: 17
          +12
          It is not necessary to look far for examples of modern wars.
          2003. Iraq.
          The invasion began with a massive preparatory bombardment of Baghdad, Mosul and Kirkuk by A-10, B-52, F-16 and Harrier bombers and attack aircraft to disrupt military infrastructure, as well as destroy the country's top military and political leadership.
          The number of coalition forces is 200 thousand people.
          21 days and that's it! Iraq is not.
          The loss of the attackers was 170 people.
          By the way, the opponents of the war there were not asleep either. Some 3000 major demonstrations took place around the world.
          Massive anti-war demonstrations took place in London. According to various sources, from 750 thousand to 2 million people took part in the performances.
          However, the deed was done.
          And no goodwill gestures or white gloves. Politicians - aside, before it was necessary to talk, the military took the floor, they will call the politicians later, when they have done their job.
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          2. spirit
            spirit 30 July 2022 22: 43
            0
            200 is not enough, there seemed to be up to half a million in a couple of weeks hi
          3. silver_roman
            silver_roman 30 July 2022 23: 42
            +5
            Losses of 170 people? this is complete nonsense. There were cases of arrivals of scuds by location in Kuwait, like southern marins. there it will come, it went to the forefathers for 50-100 Yankees. The losses were many times greater, but the fact itself: the Saxons set a goal, walked like a hurricane, spitting on the UN and other nonsense like the world community. Personally, this commands respect. And all these snot with "demilitarization, denazification, strikes on decision-making places and gestures of good will" speak of the weakness of the Russian Federation.
          4. Alex Barrett
            Alex Barrett 31 July 2022 11: 50
            0
            Yes, and the Yankees quickly laid down Afghanistan, however, which is significant, neither Iraq nor Afghanistan were able to keep it like that in the future.
          5. netzer
            netzer 31 July 2022 19: 08
            +2
            Battle of Fallujah wasn't anything like what you describe.
            Iraq is an open desert, rather than a second Amazonas like Ukraine is.
            The Ukrainian original army is already exterminated and in Mariupol died US 3-star general Coultier, likewise UMSC Col. Eric Olson (POW). Nearly 8,000 foreign (mostly NATO) mercenaries dead in Ukrainian side. Most tanks and Howitzers in Ukraine are newly supplied from NATO. EU & UK are agonizing in pain thus crushing their regimes.
            Donbass is being digested now simultaneously across the front from Kharkiv's north, down to Marinka.
            1. Raven 95
              Raven 95 31 July 2022 19: 47
              +10
              Iraq is an open desert, rather than a second Amazonas like Ukraine is.

              And what does it change if there are no strikes on decision-making centers, there are no strikes on infrastructure. There is a special police operation without the goal of a military victory over Ukraine.
          6. Cjiobo
            Cjiobo 1 August 2022 14: 40
            0
            Look at TVD in Iraq and here. Here there will be three 4 villages or hamlets per one square kilometer. rivers, lakes, etc., etc., so in principle it is impossible to compare Iraq and Ukraine.
        4. sniperino
          sniperino 31 July 2022 10: 57
          +1
          Quote: Arzt
          It seems to our strategists
          We must start like this: "It seems to me that our strategists think ...". Then all the subsequent dull nonsense will be accurately labeled as seeming squared, fantasy of the second degree.
      4. Per se.
        Per se. 30 July 2022 18: 53
        +25
        Quote: Stas157
        Then the question arises. What is the military operation for?
        First of all, obviously, the rating of the authorities has risen. When the words about the beginning of the operation were heard, it was announced about the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine, it seemed that our president was like a communist again, and the country should return to socialism ... In fact, with such an aggravation with the West, it is necessary not only to consolidate society, but to raise the entire economy, to make an industrial breakthrough, which is not possible in dependent capitalism.

        Alas, very soon, it turned out that the heroic swing remained just an intention, instead of the whole of Ukraine, they already began to broadcast only about the liberation of Donbass, moreover, to negotiate with those who are in fact criminals. The summer is already coming to a close, and the Nazis are still shelling Donetsk, women, children, old people are dying, and it turns out that we haven’t even started yet! not recognizing the referendums in the DPR and LPR, chewing snot and after the monstrous crime in Odessa.

        And, now, a special operation, where the blitzkrieg according to the patterns of "tank biathlon" did not take place, Zelensky did not run away to Poland in women's clothes, they did not greet us from Kyiv with bread and salt, the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not scatter to the huts. The element of surprise has been lost, missile strikes have been smeared and have not become disarming for the enemy. With piece production, very soon we may be left without high-precision weapons, both anti-aircraft missiles and operational-tactical ones. But, having lost the flagship, the Moskva missile cruiser, I had the courage to declare that our fleet now dominates the entire Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov ...

        There is a war, grief for some, exploits for others, and golden eggs of superprofits for others. Capitalism, sir, on "fighting dogs" fighting to the death, capitalist masters simply raise their ratings and make money.
      5. Taimen
        Taimen 31 July 2022 00: 03
        +3
        This one person, as it turns out from the article and various negotiations, does not represent anything in the SVO. Before the SVO, Roma Abramovich was exempted from sanctions at the request of Zelensky. Now he and the kahal are on horseback at all negotiations. and the instructions of Abramovich with the kagal), we handed over Bucha and got shit in the eye, we handed over Chernigov and Sumy by "good will" By good will we do not hit decision-making centers, railways and bridges, Weapons go only this way, the shelling of Russia does not stop and they are already dying our Russian people in the border areas, wheat, which the same liberated Russian land may not have enough for the winter, goes abroad with rubbing of hands from happiness. Well, who runs everything with us?
      6. EvilLion
        EvilLion 1 August 2022 07: 52
        0
        Have you seen the Kievisho carpet bombing? That's when you see, then you can definitely be sure that you started to the fullest, and the population of the former. The Ukrainian SSR is no longer considered its own.
      7. Zug
        Zug 2 August 2022 19: 41
        -1
        And you think carefully, starting from the very beginning. It's just that the goals are slightly different from those that we all expect
    3. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 30 July 2022 05: 58
      +23
      That’s it. Because this is the limit that we are capable of. Are we waiting for a massive offensive, like during the Second World War? as we can. This is the result of the collapse of the Great Country and the army.
      1. Plate
        Plate 30 July 2022 11: 07
        +10
        and now the composition of the ground forces throughout the country may be half a million.

        About 280 thousand people according to Wikipedia, which, in turn, refers to The Military Balance 2021.
        I think that none of the smart people expects and did not expect a mass offensive, as during the Second World War. By the way, I waited at the very beginning. I watched the first days at the impressive pace of the offensive and thought: "Wow, this is the destruction of all the canons of wars of the XNUMXst century, such a speed on such a scale has not been seen anywhere for several decades!" But I turned out to be wrong. This is a typical modern war. And modern wars have long been characterized by everything that we see in Ukraine. The absence of a solid front, protracted hostilities and a complex political component.
        1. Jager
          Jager 30 July 2022 17: 33
          +10
          All this is a lack of political will in the first place.
          1. Plate
            Plate 30 July 2022 18: 10
            +4
            Yes, and opportunities. If you have any will, you with three hundred people of conditional infantry will not conquer a huge space quickly.
    4. qQQQ
      qQQQ 30 July 2022 09: 19
      +35
      Quote: Tired
      demonstration of the real military capabilities of Russia?

      Here I am of the same opinion. Unfortunately, I do not see, and if there is modern weapons, then only in homeopathic doses. the war is going on with weapons of the level of the 90s. The level of operations carried out is the level of PMA, i.e. meat grinder. I did not see a single offensive bypassing the URs, only a frontal assault. Starting from May, every two weeks a super offensive is announced, and ends with another assault on the fortified NP. In general, the ongoing SA does not cause optimism.
      1. Eroma
        Eroma 30 July 2022 18: 57
        +1
        The author, in principle, pointed out in the right direction: the main limiter to the scale of hostilities is MONEY! bully only as usual it all comes down to the oligarchs, the 5th column, theft and betrayal! belay We live under capitalism, you have to pay for any action! If you want to send a million-strong army into battle, be kind enough to cough up a trillion of money, if you send a couple of hundred thousand into battle, then you need a couple of hundred billion of money (a conditional amount). If Russia triples the scale of the forces involved, its budget will begin to crack and then it will be necessary to mobilize the economy, with a mandatory decrease in the standard of living of the entire population! This is exactly what the West is trying to achieve, so that we would go bankrupt in this war! Those who call for mobilization and victory at any cost, like in the Second World War, he himself has no idea how it will turn out for him and his family and for the country as a whole! fool
        The task in YOUR WIN is with the preservation of the economy and peaceful life in the rear! And we succeed, the Russian army uses tactics even at the level of WWI, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot oppose it, the initiative is imposed by the Republic of Armenia, and not by the Armed Forces of Ukraine! If the initiative passed at least somewhere to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then we can think that the command of the Russian Federation miscalculated! soldier
      2. ammunition
        ammunition 30 July 2022 20: 35
        +2
        demonstration of the real military capabilities of Russia?

        Quote: qqqq

        Here I am of the same opinion. Unfortunately, I don’t see, and if there is modern weapons,

        I think it's not about weapons. I think .. that Serdyukov's "reform" destroyed the architecture and command and control system. As well as the entire system of combat training of drugs and the corps of officers.
        -----------
        Instead - a division - a corps - an army, with a clear and well-developed system of a set of tactics and classic actions. (since the Great Patriotic War and the times of the USSR).
        At the beginning of the action against the Basmachi gangs in Afghanistan. then, similarly, in Chechnya .. they drove into the heads of the chiefs .. supposedly the old system was "obsolete" .. supposedly. And they began to "optimize" .. well, supposedly .. to imprison the entire army against small gangs .. like ISIS.
        Well, they "imprisoned" .. supposedly .. PMCs are there .. brigades .. Airborne Forces .. supposedly "no one but us" ..
        And they not only destroyed the very body of the Army .. They also destroyed the entire system of combat training!
        sad How to rebuild the army now ?? With motorized rifle divisions, in which a system of actions in front conditions has been clearly debugged .. worked out. In which ordinary soldiers .. are at least prepared for evaluation - good. That is, they won’t miss from the first stage from a distance of 250 m into a growth figure, at the level of a reflex .. they instantly and accurately execute all combat commands .. so the battalion commander controls the battalion like with his five fingers .. well, etc. etc. .
        who knows .. apparently with us - "we wanted the best, but it turned out as always" .. "as always" - means that .. how many times it happened in our history .. you have to create everything and learn not Before that .. and already in the course of the war.
        1. qQQQ
          qQQQ 31 July 2022 09: 46
          +4
          Quote: ammunition
          I think it's not about weapons. I think .. that Serdyukov's "reform" destroyed the architecture and command and control system.

          As for Serdyukov, my opinion is not unambiguous. Yes, he destroyed a lot, but he created too. All modern weapons that now exist are the beginning of developments under him, MTR too, etc. Unfortunately, with the current MinO, we see only a picture, there is nothing in real life. The structure of the Armed Forces, namely the basis of the BTG, is the present of today's General Staff, nothing prevented it from being revised after Serdyukov in favor of the old model. But, in my opinion, it is not a correct understanding of the database of previous years of both the United States and us in Syria. The factor of the war against a weak enemy was not taken into account, where the armored personnel carriers really showed themselves and, accordingly, was transferred to actions against a real strong army. Hence the high losses in the initial period of JI in Ukraine. But this is definitely not Serdyukov's fault. It is very convenient to blame all your mistakes and incompetence on another. And what prevented the current Ministry of Defense from saturating the troops with modern weapons? Also Serdyukov? And the money allocated was far from small. All mistakes must first be looked for in oneself, then there will be a correction of the situation.
      3. EvilLion
        EvilLion 1 August 2022 07: 56
        -2
        Hold 500 pigs, grunted. Here are a dozen Hymars - this is definitely the Khan of the Russian army.

        I did not see a single offensive bypassing the URs, only a frontal assault.


        Yes, yes, yours are simply slaughtered there with artillery, and then corpses are thrown out of the abandoned URs. And how you can bypass the solid lines that yours built there over 8 years is not very clear. Just like going around the city.

        And so, of course, what kind of offensives, but none at all, only Severodonetsk and Lisichansk of that, Mariupol long ago. By the end of the summer, Slavyansk and Kromatorsk will also be taken, but where the APU will take people and, most importantly, equipment, is a big question. And as Ukrainian citizens, now screaming SUGS will survive the winter.
        1. qQQQ
          qQQQ 1 August 2022 09: 27
          +5
          Quote: EvilLion
          Yes, yes, yours are simply slaughtered there with artillery, and then corpses are thrown out of the abandoned URs. And how you can bypass the solid lines that yours built there over 8 years is not very clear. Just like going around the city.

          If the corpses are simply thrown away, then who is still holding these lines, and why are we moving forward so slowly? How to bypass? It is very simple for many tens or even hundreds of kilometers from them. The whole trick of the offensive is to attack where they are not expected. It was in WWI that there were no mobile units, except for cavalry. You look at the offensive operations of the Germans in WWII and ours after 43 years, that's what you need to learn from. To catch up with artillery and storm in the forehead for this you do not need any education.
    5. nonsense
      nonsense 30 July 2022 10: 57
      +17
      Quote: Tired
      Actually, the main message of the article is clear. But what if such a slow course of the NMD is not the result of some behind-the-scenes intrigues, but simply a demonstration of Russia's real military capabilities? This question, in my opinion, is the key one.

      Nah, there are no real opportunities for the Russian Federation and its army. What, the RF Armed Forces are not able to destroy all road and railway bridges between Ukraine and Eastern Europe? Or are they unable to destroy the ports on the Black Sea coast of Ukraine? Or smash into chips all Ukrainian authorities, television centers, sewers and pumping stations, Internet servers? - Yes, not even with the weapons of the 90s and 60s, these are quite feasible actions! Contra settled in the headquarters! - that's all the explanations ... the Kremlin circus ...
      1. Adrey
        Adrey 30 July 2022 11: 05
        +5
        Quote: nespich
        Nah, there are no real opportunities for the Russian Federation and its army. What, the RF Armed Forces are not able to destroy all road and railway bridges between Ukraine and Eastern Europe? Or are they unable to destroy the ports on the Black Sea coast of Ukraine? Or smash into chips all Ukrainian authorities, television centers, sewers and pumping stations, Internet servers? - Yes, not even with the weapons of the 90s and 60s, these are quite feasible actions! Contra settled in the headquarters! - that's all the explanations ... the Kremlin circus ...

        Maybe indicate the weapon with which it is possible to do this? TNW not to offer.
        1. Jager
          Jager 30 July 2022 17: 35
          +8
          One Caliber per energy node is enough to leave half of Ukraine without electricity.
          1. Adrey
            Adrey 30 July 2022 18: 59
            -2
            Quote: Jager
            One Caliber per energy node is enough to leave half of Ukraine without electricity.

            Very bold!... and stupid...
            1. Jager
              Jager 2 August 2022 16: 34
              0
              What are you parrying? Or have you not seen the diagram of the Ukrainian power grid?
              1. Adrey
                Adrey 2 August 2022 16: 54
                0
                I don't see the point in talking to you hi
                1. Jager
                  Jager 9 August 2022 20: 16
                  +1
                  Clearly, you merge from a direct question. As an engineer with a degree in electrical power supply with communications experience in the power grid, I can tell you something.
          2. EvilLion
            EvilLion 1 August 2022 07: 59
            +1
            If they wanted to arrange a humanitarian catastrophe there, they would have staged it long ago.
        2. nonsense
          nonsense 30 July 2022 20: 13
          +5
          Quote: Adrey
          Maybe indicate the weapon with which it is possible to do this?

          why ask stupid questions? -- Air, sea and land-based cruise missiles. HE, cluster and volumetric detonating warheads. And there is no need to talk about problems with target designation - if desired, they can be solved.
          1. Adrey
            Adrey 30 July 2022 20: 55
            -4
            Quote: nespich
            why ask stupid questions? -- Air, sea and land-based cruise missiles. HE, cluster and volumetric detonating warheads. And there is no need to talk about problems with target designation - if desired, they can be solved.

            What are your specific goals now? The order of forces to complete the task depends on this.
            and ground-based

            Wouldn't it be difficult for you to indicate what kind of installation this is, adopted by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation?
            Excuse me for stupid questions request wassat
            1. nonsense
              nonsense 31 July 2022 10: 03
              -3
              Quote: Adrey
              Wouldn't it be difficult for you to indicate what kind of installation this is, adopted by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation?

              The launcher of the Iskander complex can use R-500 cruise missiles with a range of 500 km ... The Bastion coastal missile system is also able to hit ground-based radio contrast (and in the port they are all radio contrast) targets at a distance of 300 km with P-800 missiles (Onyx).
              PS: sad honey, are you a spy by any chance? - So watch the Zvezda TV channel - it will tell you everything and show you! Don't bother civilians.
        3. Petr_Koldunov
          Petr_Koldunov 31 July 2022 10: 03
          0
          And why? Or is TNW not included in the list of "real capabilities" of the Russian army?
          1. zenion
            zenion 8 August 2022 15: 21
            0
            Give the people weapons, so because of incomprehensibility they can go the wrong way. The trouble is that the maxims have gone to waste, and with what weapon to lie behind, if only the maxims are driving the people in the right direction. Write one thing that the people are dull, and then they write, why not en masse, why didn’t they win? So after all, the headquarters has not yet divided how much is attached to each at the end, that’s because there is fuss, but they can’t finish. The fuses are so tough that they pinch everything, even cry. As soon as they divide it into uluses and so on, then everyone will release their piece. Everyone will take a lot for himself, he will start chickens, and the whole lot will remain out of work. V. Vysotsky (almost).
      2. Non-fighter
        Non-fighter 30 July 2022 12: 04
        +5
        As for the sewer, everything is simple, you can do a diversion. Everything is VERY cheap and cheerful, without risk for the performers. There are examples :(
        1. zenion
          zenion 8 August 2022 15: 22
          0
          You wanted to write a TV channel, but forgot, or what? I can smell the TV channel.
      3. lis-ik
        lis-ik 30 July 2022 13: 19
        +18
        Quote: nespich
        Contra settled in the headquarters! - that's all the explanations ... the Kremlin circus ...

        Everything at the top remained the same, endless red lines, the interests of "friends", the trash that liquidated the money of the Russian Federation in the amount of 330 billion, not even sitting, but eating and sleeping calmly, moreover, in their places, and this is exactly that money that were withdrawn from the economy. In general, hopes for changes at the top are groundless and meaningless, as they were a gang of swindlers and talkers, and remained.
      4. EvilLion
        EvilLion 1 August 2022 07: 58
        +2
        It is possible to destroy the dam across the Dnieper, it will only wash away, including Kherson. And so very naive ideas.
    6. Gardamir
      Gardamir 30 July 2022 12: 17
      +3
      Here is also an opinion, more global than the Special Operation
      https://cont.ws/@Ross777/2340040
    7. AVESSALOM
      AVESSALOM 31 July 2022 10: 39
      +4
      Demonstration of what? Inability to suppress the air defense system and aviation? Lack of UAVs? Lack of satellite reconnaissance and AWACS? Inability to destroy launchers either by means of artillery or by the actions of the DRG?
    8. Fluk54
      Fluk54 2 August 2022 10: 05
      +1
      Those. If before March 8 we had thrashed the Ukrainian Armed Forces and reached the border with Poland and Hungary, would that have been a less impressive demonstration of our military capabilities?
    9. Zug
      Zug 2 August 2022 19: 35
      +1
      It's just that the purpose of the special operation in Ukraine is different from what we are all waiting for.
    10. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 2 August 2022 20: 12
      -2
      NWO is a huge economic problem for the fascist west, every month there are severe financial losses, there is a war with the entire fascist west, and 404 pawns are playing against everyone.
  2. cmax
    cmax 30 July 2022 04: 45
    +49
    Not an operation, but one "zilch". The striped ones paid for Norway's air defense systems, not the worst. We will soon see near Donetsk. So we live, the lower classes cannot, the upper classes do not want to. But seriously, the Westerners showed an excellent organization of logistics for the country, which the "effective managers" from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation cannot boast of. It's a shame, but you can't throw words out of a song.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 30 July 2022 07: 11
      -28
      Quote: cmax
      Not an operation, but one "zilch"

      While some shed blood and conquer Russian lands,

      others, in between watching movies, protrude their lips contemptuously: "zilch."

      And the "military analysts" are unaware that, if only out of respect for the fighters, they need to more accurately formulate their thoughts and select more correct words.
      No, so far they have only learned to demand from others.

      Tell us about the "zilch" to the inhabitants of the territory liberated from Bandera.
      1. sheet
        sheet 30 July 2022 08: 57
        +3
        Quote: Flood
        While some shed blood and conquer Russian lands,

        others, in between watching movies, protrude their lips contemptuously: "zilch."

        And still others make money on such provocative articles. yes
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 30 July 2022 09: 05
          -15
          Quote: sheet
          And still others make money on such provocative articles

          I don’t know anything about the size of the fees for VO winked

          But it is striking that the author Alexander Odintsov is an infrequent guest at VO.

          Apparently, he decided that it was very important, since he gave us his thoughts on the topic.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 30 July 2022 09: 23
        +28
        out of respect for the soldiers
        your meanness is that you know perfectly well that no one has ever said a bad word about the fighters. With your commentary, you are protecting the Ilitka from popular wrath. And the litter was simply framed. promised that everything would be like with our Crimea. So they sent the troops on a parade march.
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                  1. Hypertension
                    Hypertension 30 July 2022 11: 19
                    +23
                    Quote: Flood
                    Those who are now receiving Russian citizenship.

                    Over 74 citizens of Tajikistan have become Russians in six months.
                    Quote: Flood
                    Children who will study under the Russian program.

                    What about her, by the way? They left the Bologna system, sort of. What will we come to?
                    Quote: Flood
                    Those who on Victory Day will be able to openly honor the Soviet people as the winner of fascism.

                    Will they not drape the mausoleum now?
                    Quote: Flood
                    Ask this question to the Crimeans who finally got water from the Dnieper

                    And the residents of Donetsk stand in line for drinking water for 5 months ... And they are bombed for 5 months ...

                    In general, they asked you a question, and you began to translate the arrows. Ask those, ask these...
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 30 July 2022 11: 31
                      -18
                      Quote: Hyperion
                      Over 74 citizens of Tajikistan have become Russians in six months.

                      Very witty.
                      I wrote about the inhabitants of the liberated territories in Ukraine.

                      Quote: Hyperion
                      Will they not drape the mausoleum now?

                      Mausoleum in Moscow.
                      And the memory of grandfathers in the hearts of grateful descendants.
                      Have you decided to troll?
                      Let's assume that the attack was successful.

                      Quote: Hyperion
                      residents of Donetsk have been queuing for drinking water for 5 months

                      Does this negate the progress made?

                      Quote: Hyperion
                      in general - they asked you a question, and you began to translate the arrows. Ask those, ask these

                      Such a figure of speech.
                      If you understand what that means.
                      These are the answers to the questions.
                      Referencing the current results of the operation.

                      Sorry if my comment was not clear to you.
                      I have neither the ability nor the desire to please everyone.
                      1. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 30 July 2022 12: 06
                        +11
                        Quote: Flood
                        I wrote about the inhabitants of the liberated territories in Ukraine.

                        You didn't specify. You wrote: "who is now receiving Russian citizenship." So I gave an example of those who receive. And that's great, as Russia's population continues to decline. For January-May 22, a new record - minus 430 thousand. We need new citizens. Who then will inhabit vast territories? Including those attached in the process of SVO.
                        Quote: Flood
                        And the memory of grandfathers in the hearts of grateful descendants.

                        So you wrote that you can openly celebrate. In the hearts - of course, but there must be an external manifestation. With all the attributes, as expected. And not - "here we play, but here we do not play." What's the point in waving Soviet flags if it's all just decorative? Like games of reenactors.
                        Quote: Flood
                        Does this negate the progress made?

                        The price of success is quite high. And what do you consider "success"? Well, obviously not the shelling of the Russian border regions.
                        Quote: Flood
                        These are the answers to the questions.

                        These are "answers" that involve asking other people questions.
                        Quote: Flood
                        I have neither the ability nor the desire to please everyone.

                        And you don't have to please everyone. It will have to look at the situation from different points of view, try on different objective / subjective positions, and other troubles and worries. The main thing is to understand that the government knows better how it should be, and that's all. And skepticism and critical perception are the lot of trolls and other unreliable elements.
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 30 July 2022 12: 20
                        -17
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        You didn't specify. You wrote: "who is now receiving Russian citizenship"

                        Clarification in each comment is not required if the topic under discussion is clear.
                        Read the entire correspondence, not the part that suits your mood best.

                        Quote: Hyperion
                        With all the attributes, as expected. And not - "here we play, but here we do not play." What's the point in waving Soviet flags if it's all just decorative?

                        What do you think is more important for the residents of Kherson - fearlessly laying flowers at the monument to the warrior-liberator or the leadership of the country on the podium of the Mausoleum?
                        Do you think that if the Mausoleum is bashfully covered, then celebrating May 9 does not make sense?

                        Quote: Hyperion
                        The price of success is quite high. And what do you consider "success"?

                        Lost human lives are difficult to estimate.
                        How would you rate the liberation of the LPR? Kherson region? Zaporozhye?

                        Quote: Hyperion
                        These are "answers" that involve asking other people questions.

                        They don't assume anything.
                        They do not require any answers when the answers are too obvious.
                      3. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 30 July 2022 13: 02
                        +11
                        Quote: Flood
                        Clarification in each comment is not required if the topic under discussion is clear.

                        The topic of citizens of the Russian Federation is more extensive than it might seem at first glance. And it is not limited to the regions of the LDNR.
                        Quote: Flood
                        What do you think is more important for the residents of Kherson

                        At the moment, I think that it is more important for the residents of Kherson that rockets and shells do not fall on the city.
                        Quote: Flood
                        Do you think that if the Mausoleum is bashfully covered, then celebrating May 9 does not make sense?

                        Has the meaning. But this very meaning begins to shift away from the original. The ideology of the USSR is an important tool in achieving victory. And the current capitalists use the holiday, to which they have nothing to do, for their political purposes.
                        Quote: Flood
                        Lost human lives are difficult to estimate.

                        Watching to whom and what kind of life. For some, it's just numbers. You don't think that generals are killed for every dead soldier, do you?
                        This is for relatives and friends.
                        Quote: Flood
                        How would you rate the liberation of the LPR? Kherson region? Zaporozhye?

                        The price will always be high, but you can (should) reduce it. By equipping with high-quality equipment and equipment, not only in parades.
                        Quote: Flood
                        They do not require any answers when the answers are too obvious.

                        What makes you think it's too obvious? How many people - so many opinions.
                        Crimean Tatars, for example, are not all delighted with the fact that Crimea belongs to the Russian Federation. Those liberated from the Bandera occupation are also different people. Etc., etc. In general, the answers are too obvious for someone who sweeps everyone under the same brush.
                      4. Flooding
                        Flooding 30 July 2022 13: 13
                        -15
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        The topic of citizens of the Russian Federation is more extensive than it might seem at first glance. And it is not limited to the regions of the LDNR.

                        And you have the right to discuss this topic in its various aspects.
                        But this does not change the topic discussed before you.

                        Quote: Flood
                        Tell us about the "zilch" to the inhabitants of the territory liberated from Bandera.

                        Quote: Flood
                        Ask this question to those whom our military liberated from the Bandera occupation.
                        Those who are now receiving Russian citizenship.

                        It would seem that it could not be clearer.

                        Quote: Hyperion
                        At the moment, I think that it is more important for the residents of Kherson that rockets and shells do not fall on the city.

                        Again, you are talking about the topic.
                        It was about the Victory Day.

                        If you consider this manner of discussion convincing for the opponent, then I will disappoint you.
                        If you have nothing to write on the topic, then I propose to say goodbye.
                      5. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 30 July 2022 13: 26
                        +13
                        Quote: Flood
                        Again, you are talking about the topic.

                        I don’t talk, but I concretize and update. You, like up there, are trying to hide behind Victory, just not to discuss current issues / problems.
                        Quote: Flood
                        If you have nothing to write on the topic

                        Well ... should you write about the "topic" after you switched to the personality of the author of the article and assessed his competence by the frequency of visiting VO?
                      6. Flooding
                        Flooding 30 July 2022 13: 32
                        -15
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        I don’t talk, but I concretize and update

                        What exactly did you specify, jumping from the topic of Victory Day paraphernalia to the shelling of Kherson?

                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Do you need to write about the "topic" after you have switched to the personality of the author of the article, and assessed his competence by the frequency of visiting VO

                        Where was I wrong?
                        In which words did you find my opinion about the competence of the author?
                        And why did you decide that discussing the author's activity on VO is unacceptable in the context of discussing his article?

                        Quote: Flood
                        I don’t know anything about the size of the fees for VO.
                        But it is striking that the author Alexander Odintsov is an infrequent guest at VO.
                        Apparently, he decided that it was very important, since he gave us his thoughts on the topic.

                        It's getting hard for me to follow the twists and turns of your logic.
                        Again, I propose to disperse in the corners.
                      7. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 30 July 2022 13: 58
                        +11
                        Quote: Flood
                        What exactly did you specify, jumping from the topic of Victory Day paraphernalia to the shelling of Kherson?

                        Concretized the pressing problems of Kherson residents.
                        Quote: Flood
                        Where was I wrong?

                        I did not say that you were wrong, but the departure from the topic / the transition to personalities is not alien to you, which you demonstrated in relation to the author. Therefore, you should not blame someone for (in your opinion) deviation from the topic.
                      8. Flooding
                        Flooding 30 July 2022 16: 15
                        -10
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Therefore, you should not blame someone for (in your opinion) deviation from the topic.

                        Not someone, but you personally.
                        It was too obvious to be silent.
                        I am writing about new Russian citizens in the liberated territories.
                        You answer - about the Tajiks.
                        I'm talking about Victory Day.
                        You are talking about shelling.

                        And then treat how not to deviate from the topic.
                        This is a symptom.
                      9. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 30 July 2022 16: 24
                        +8
                        Quote: Flood
                        I am writing about new Russian citizens in the liberated territories.
                        You answer - about the Tajiks.

                        Tajiks - new citizens of the Russian Federation are not worthy of mention for you?
                        Quote: Flood
                        I'm talking about Victory Day.
                        You are talking about shelling.

                        I repeat: we still have to live until Victory Day. Shelling is a more urgent problem for Kherson residents.
                      10. Flooding
                        Flooding 30 July 2022 13: 41
                        -14
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        You, like up there, are trying to hide behind Victory, so as not to discuss current issues / problems

                        But you are in vain.
                        Don't piss me off, save my nerves.
                        It was not worth writing that I "cover behind Victory."
                        It was very thoughtless.

                        The Victory Day is important for those who are forbidden to celebrate it in Ukraine occupied by Bandera.
                        It was about these people.
                        And about those who already have such an opportunity in the liberated territories.
                      11. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 30 July 2022 14: 04
                        +12
                        Quote: Flood
                        The Victory Day is important for those who are forbidden to celebrate it in Ukraine occupied by Bandera.

                        And for those who are not banned is not important?
                        Nevertheless, it seems to me that the thoughts about the celebration of the Victory are now not in the first place for the residents of the LDNR and the KhO with the ZO. We still have to live until Victory Day. And with such a conduct of the SVO, when the ukrovermacht strikes the cities every day, the chances for this are not only small, but not so much.
                      12. Flooding
                        Flooding 30 July 2022 16: 16
                        -11
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        And for those who are not banned is not important?

                        I focused on your unfounded and insulting accusation against me.
                        Allegedly, I hide behind Victory.
                        Instead of apologizing, you pour water again.

                        Farewell.
                      13. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 30 July 2022 16: 32
                        +10
                        Quote: Flood
                        Allegedly, I hide behind Victory.

                        How are you not covering up? I started writing to you about the more pressing problems of Kherson residents - shelling, and you wrote to me so that I would not be distracted from the topic and we are talking about the Victory. Can't you think of anything other than Victory? Even the draped Mausoleum doesn't matter to you - just to celebrate May 9th. At least that's what it looks like...
                      14. Flooding
                        Flooding 30 July 2022 16: 57
                        -10
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Can't you think of anything other than Victory?

                        I will answer your childishly direct question in your own tone:

                        Can't you think of anyone other than Tajiks?

                        Joke. Not my style. Your.
                        It is difficult for you to read what is written in order to understand.
                        It is important for you to throw comments on abstract topics.
                        What for? I do not know.
                        Maybe you're getting an applause.

                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Even the draped Mausoleum doesn't matter to you - just to celebrate May 9th.

                        Aerobatics of stupidity.
                        Yes, living in Chisinau, I went to the Chisinau memorial complex, regardless of the color of the Moscow Mausoleum.
                      15. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 30 July 2022 18: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: Flood
                        It is important for you to throw comments on abstract topics.

                        Vice versa. On the most topical and immediate topics. Victory Day is not going anywhere. And it's still over 9 months away.
                        Quote: Flood
                        Aerobatics of stupidity.
                        Yes, living in Chisinau, I went to the Chisinau memorial complex, regardless of the color of the Moscow Mausoleum.

                        Write - "aerobatics of stupidity", and then you yourself confirm my words. request
                        Anyway. We, ordinary people, should not think about it, about the Mausoleum and how to celebrate May 9, right? Let the bosses organize, they know better how and what.
                      16. Flooding
                        Flooding 30 July 2022 18: 47
                        -8
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        confirm my words

                        Surround yourself.

                        I confirm that the people celebrate the Victory regardless of the color of the drapery on the Mausoleum.

                        I confirm that for those who are forcibly deprived of such an opportunity, this holiday is much more desirable and dear than for those who can celebrate the Victory Day fearlessly.

                        You are free to express your dissatisfaction without celebrating May 9th.
                        Just don't claim it's okay.

                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Victory Day is not going anywhere.

                        Then there was nothing to pedal this topic from comment to comment.
                        In my top comment, I mentioned Victory Day only as one of several points.
                      17. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 30 July 2022 19: 13
                        +2
                        Quote: Flood
                        You are free to express your dissatisfaction without celebrating May 9th.
                        Just don't claim it's okay.

                        It is not normal to use Victory Day for populist purposes.
                        Quote: Flood
                        Then there was nothing to pedal this topic from comment to comment.

                        Am I the one who peddled this topic? I, on the contrary, paid attention to the shelling and lack of water in the territories of the NWO. And he wrote that Victory Day is an important event, but now somehow it’s a bit not up to it. Here, as it were, a new victory is being forged. But the forging process raises some questions.
                      18. Flooding
                        Flooding 30 July 2022 19: 20
                        -7
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        It is not normal to use Victory Day for populist purposes.

                        And I don't think to say otherwise.
                        It is also abnormal how the theme of the Mausoleum is used for the same purposes.

                        But at the same time I understand how the date of May 9 is important for the self-identification of a Russian citizen.

                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Am I the one who peddled this topic?

                        In each of their comments, they returned it to her.
                      19. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 30 July 2022 20: 36
                        -1
                        Quote: Flood
                        In each of their comments, they returned it to her.

                        I did not return, but tried to refocus your attention from this secondary (at the moment for Kherson residents) topic.
                      20. Flooding
                        Flooding 30 July 2022 21: 37
                        -4
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        I tried to refocus your attention from this secondary (at the moment for Kherson residents) topic.

                        They tried in vain.
                        I did not claim that this issue was of paramount importance at the time.
                      21. Jager
                        Jager 30 July 2022 17: 41
                        +7
                        The feeling that Comrade Navodlom revised Solovyov and Kiselyov from a hangover.
                      22. Flooding
                        Flooding 30 July 2022 17: 44
                        -6
                        Quote: Jager
                        The feeling that Comrade Navodlom revised Solovyov and Kiselyov from a hangover.

                        It is very interesting, what exactly led you to such a conclusion?
                        Or a reflex?
                        I don't watch the year 2016.
                        So don't reflect.
                    2. sniperino
                      sniperino 31 July 2022 13: 19
                      -3
                      Quote: Hyperion
                      Will they not drape the mausoleum now?
                      Will definitely be. And preferably - a portrait of Stalin. Lenin would have been very upset when he learned about the defeat of the German proletariat, for which he had high hopes; He has absolutely nothing to do with this war. Drang nach Osten has nothing to do with the communists: he was before them, remains after them.
                      1. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 31 July 2022 15: 00
                        0
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Drang nach Osten has nothing to do with the communists

                        Is the victory connected with the communists? Without Lenin, there would be no Stalin (as head of state).
              2. aslanxnumx
                aslanxnumx 30 July 2022 21: 54
                +7
                If we criticize oretka, then Navalny's supporters. And without a cliché, it's impossible. Why immediately go to rudeness, with the upbringing of the problem. We watched the video with Zakharova's speech about the invasion or not. Everything is funny to her, but it’s not funny to us. People are dying there, because the little one watched and helped and helps dill. A CROW will not peck out a crow's eye. The infamy is that under beautiful slogans that cost nothing, the country is thrown into no one knows where.
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 30 July 2022 22: 42
                  -6
                  Quote: aslan642
                  If we criticize the litter, then Navalny’s supporters. And without a cliché, it’s impossible

                  Dear man, how attentive you are.
                  Subtly noticed the essence.
                  Yes, but they did not deign to notice that it was just my answer to the cliché used by the opponent.
                  Accusing me of currying favor.

                  Do you read selectively?
                  Or are you drawing one-sided conclusions?
                  Or is double standards normal for you?
                  The last dumbass would have understood what it was about.

                  Quote: Flood
                  I do not receive a salary from the budget.
                  And I am not on the staff of mercenaries at the "ilitka".

                  With the same success, I can accuse you of being a supporter of Navalny.
                  But I understand that it would be indecent, since there is no evidence of this.

                  But no.
                  There is a particularly gifted one who considers himself entitled to teach others.
                  So at least I would teach on the case, razzyava.
                  1. aslanxnumx
                    aslanxnumx 31 July 2022 07: 50
                    +1
                    And that without rude words, it’s impossible. You pronounce the word corn normally.
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 31 July 2022 07: 58
                      -3
                      Quote: aslan642
                      And that without rude words, it’s impossible. You pronounce the word corn normally.

                      No, with such subtle natures that do not notice obvious things, there is no way without rudeness.

                      They don't read well, but they write well.
                      1. aslanxnumx
                        aslanxnumx 31 July 2022 17: 40
                        +3
                        The cheers of the patriots have a different nature, with foam in their mouths to prove that they are right, but they cannot prove that they would be ready to grab the Mauser, but the times are not the same, and the answer can fly in, and even worse, the Wishlist has not grown, but the rolls shrink with fear, which from the feeders will be moved away for the bad propaganda of Edra. Did you serve in the army, and were born under the USSR?
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 31 July 2022 18: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: aslan642
                        The cheers of the patriots have a different nature, with foam in the mouth to prove that they are right

                        Where exactly did you see jingoism in me?
                        Specify, please.
                        You are not a supporter of clichés and clichés.

                        Quote: aslan642
                        they can’t prove they’re ready to grab a Mauser, but the times are not the same, and the answer can fly

                        I've poked your nose into your wrong.
                        Why are you standing in a pose of insulted innocence.

                        Quote: aslan642
                        Wishlist has not grown, but the rolls are shrinking with fear that they will be moved away from the feeder for the bad propaganda of Edra

                        Is this a hint that I am writing comments for handouts from the authorities?
                        You, as a sensitive and thinking person who does not accept clichés, write this to me so easily? Without any justification and evidence?
                        Didn't you just write about "may fly"?
                        Yeah, the right one was talking.
                        All got out.

                        Quote: aslan642
                        Did you serve in the army and were born under the USSR?

                        This is personal information. Not directly related to the discussion.
                        I will answer for the sake of interest (and then what?).
                        Yes, I was born in the USSR.
                      3. aslanxnumx
                        aslanxnumx 31 July 2022 19: 50
                        +1
                        But he did not serve in the army, everything is clear with that.
                      4. Flooding
                        Flooding 31 July 2022 20: 09
                        0
                        Quote: aslan642
                        But he did not serve in the army, everything is clear with that.

                        It just so happened that the collapse of the Union met at the institute.
                        Then he lived in Moldova.
                        The local army is not a fountain.

                        Now it's your turn.
                        Report.
                        When he was born? Where did you serve?
                        Do not be shy.
                      5. Flooding
                        Flooding 31 July 2022 20: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: aslan642
                        But he did not serve in the army, everything is clear with that.

                        And don't forget to answer a simple question

                        Quote: Flood
                        Where exactly did you see jingoism in me?
                        Please indicate

                        You are not one of those who throw empty accusations left and right.
                      6. aslanxnumx
                        aslanxnumx 31 July 2022 20: 57
                        +3
                        1984 graduated from HVVAURE, Zab.Vo service, Mongolian People's Republic, Far East, Buddenovsk, Chechnya, two business trips, reserve major
                      7. Flooding
                        Flooding 31 July 2022 21: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: aslan642
                        1984 graduated from HVVAURE, Zab.Vo service, Mongolian People's Republic, Far East, Buddenovsk, Chechnya, two business trips, reserve major

                        What to do next with this?
                        You must have put some sense into these questions.
                    2. Flooding
                      Flooding 31 July 2022 17: 31
                      -2
                      Quote: aslan642
                      And that without rude words, it’s impossible. You pronounce the word corn normally.

                      By the way, you are our educated.
                      You didn't apologize for your hasty words

                      Quote: aslan642
                      And without a cliché, it's impossible. Why immediately go to rudeness, with the upbringing of the problem

                      Have I explained to you above the injustice of your claims?
                      As a well-mannered person, you owe an apology.
                      Or is your upbringing enough only to ask others?
                      1. aslanxnumx
                        aslanxnumx 31 July 2022 22: 02
                        +3
                        You first read your comments and then demand something.
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 31 July 2022 22: 40
                        0
                        Quote: aslan642
                        You first read your comments and then demand something.

                        Which one?
                        The vagueness of your words interferes with clear understanding.
                        Add clarity and objectivity.

                        Not only that - I quoted my words to you for a better understanding.
                        However, it doesn't matter.
                        I won't see an answer.
            2. spektr9
              spektr9 30 July 2022 11: 03
              +18
              you curry favor with the litter. Find at least one comment that says bad things about our soldiers. Criticize only ilitku.

              Come on, only this, then these defenders of the authorities begin to justify the losses of civilians in the Russian Federation from the NVO - they say, well, think about it, they fired and killed, you have to be patient ...

              In general, rot out and rushing
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 30 July 2022 11: 12
                -14
                Quote: spektr9
                Come on, only this, then these defenders of the authorities begin to justify the losses of civilians in the Russian Federation from the NVO - they say, well, think about it, they fired and killed, you have to be patient

                Imagination is given to man for good purposes.
                But, alas, nature does not always attach intelligence and high moral qualities to him.
                And completeness in this case is important.

                Supporting one lie with another lie is overkill.
                1. aslanxnumx
                  aslanxnumx 30 July 2022 21: 57
                  +6
                  Lavrov's words about the anti-people government of Ukraine. Do we have a people's government?
                2. aslanxnumx
                  aslanxnumx 31 July 2022 17: 42
                  +1
                  And why are there so many minuses of our defender.
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 31 July 2022 18: 07
                    +2
                    Quote: aslan642
                    And why are there so many minuses of our defender.

                    People don't like getting to the bottom of things.
                    You showed it yesterday.
                    Herd instinct - this time.
                    Cliques and clans in VO are also commonplace. This is two.
                    They peck for any sneeze, if they have a tooth.
                    They will also make advertising in a personal.
                    Do not be surprised.
                    And don't take it at face value.

                    Yes, and not for likes, I'm here, unlike.
                    I also collected 50 or more minuses per comment.
                    It’s not the cons that scare, but human stupidity.
        2. sniperino
          sniperino 31 July 2022 11: 10
          -1
          Quote: Gardamir
          With your commentary, you protect the Ilitka from popular wrath
          Are you trying to pass off your snot as popular anger?
          1. aslanxnumx
            aslanxnumx 31 July 2022 21: 23
            +1
            I spill snot for the victory of cheers for the patriots. Citizens cheers patriots, if you can’t, then reasonably respond to criticism, don’t go over to swearing and insults.
      3. qQQQ
        qQQQ 30 July 2022 09: 24
        +19
        Quote: Flood
        others, in between watching movies, protrude their lips contemptuously: "zilch."

        Maybe others want and try to the best of their ability to do at least something, so that this blood is shed as little as possible, and as much land and population are returned as possible. History has shown that the greatest harm is caused by the prohibition of criticism.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 30 July 2022 09: 56
          -16
          Quote: qqqq
          Maybe others want and try to the best of their ability to do at least something, so that this blood is shed as little as possible, and as much land and population are returned as possible.

          And therefore, not sparing their strength, they collect likes on VO.
          This is very patriotic and selfless.

          Quote: qqqq
          History has shown that the greatest harm is caused by the prohibition of criticism.

          An example, please.
          Is this a hint at the ineffective management of the Soviet Union under the leadership of Joseph Vissarionovich?
          No?

          Then your thesis looks very pale.
          Leave these stories from the times of perestroika and Gorbachev.
          That's really loved then to criticize.
          Glasnost, freedom of speech
          And the result is known.
          1. cmax
            cmax 30 July 2022 11: 14
            +21
            Leave Stalin alone. The question after all not in that it is necessary or not it was necessary to carry out operation. Necessary! The question is how it is carried out, how it was prepared, what new weapons should be used to achieve the goal of the special operation. The state spent many trillions of rubles on this, but the X hour has come and in reality there is nothing. The curator of the military industry, the city of Borisov, responsible for the rearmament of the army, was transferred to another post. The price of his mistakes (lack of attack drones and much more) is thousands of dead guys today. We all want a victorious completion of the operation, but the obvious blunders and the results of the operation on this day do not give much optimism. Perhaps now is the calm before the storm. Hope our storm.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 30 July 2022 11: 18
              -16
              Quote: cmax
              Leave Stalin alone

              I don't need to point out.
              And I will spare your pride.

              Perhaps you have not noticed, in connection with which I mentioned Stalin?
              Well, be careful.

              Quote: cmax
              The question is not whether or not it was necessary to carry out the operation.

              The question is that you need to criticize the mistakes, and not evaluate the entire operation with one disparaging word.

              Quote: Flood
              you need to carefully formulate your thoughts and select more correct words.

              the topic is too serious to take liberties
          2. qQQQ
            qQQQ 30 July 2022 13: 08
            +11
            Quote: Flood
            Is this a hint at the ineffective management of the Soviet Union under the leadership of Joseph Vissarionovich?

            That time is extreme, the lack of criticism turned into a lot of blood. This just demonstrates what kind of victims the fairy tale about the unparalleled turns into ... I am sure that the majority really wants to convey, even with such a low probability, to the leadership that a different approach is needed, other people are needed. I don’t want to believe it, but a lot now reminds me of the last days of Emperor Nicholas 2. I also listened to fairy tales and surrounded myself with people not on merit, but out of devotion to myself, although this did not help either. Betrayed at the first opportunity.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 30 July 2022 13: 18
              -6
              Quote: qqqq
              That time is extreme

              Is now some kind of time?
              Have you noticed that Russia and the world are going through a stage of titanic changes?

              Quote: qqqq
              lack of criticism turned into a lot of bloodshed.

              I gave you the opposite example - Gorbachevism.
              This is the time that turned out to be the most catastrophic losses for the country.

              While in 1945 the USSR won.
              Yes, at a huge cost.
              But he won and secured peaceful development for decades.
              1. qQQQ
                qQQQ 31 July 2022 09: 33
                -3
                Quote: Flood
                I gave you the opposite example - Gorbachevism.

                Gorbachevism is not criticism, but a frantic slander of all the achievements of the USSR, and sometimes an objective assessment of negative manifestations slipped through, but in that stream of lies that poured, it was simply not realistic to find and evaluate it.
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 31 July 2022 09: 39
                  0
                  Quote: qqqq
                  Gorbachevism is not criticism, but a rabid slander of all the achievements of the USSR

                  Born from that same publicity. Flesh of flesh.
                  1. qQQQ
                    qQQQ 31 July 2022 09: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: Flood
                    Born from that same publicity. Flesh of flesh.

                    You can't argue with that. Maybe for this it began, in order to wash away the USSR with a stream of mud and lies.
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 31 July 2022 10: 10
                      +1
                      Quote: qqqq
                      You can't argue with that. Maybe for this it began, in order to wash away the USSR with a stream of mud and lies.

                      Therefore, I am cautious about the appeals of criticism of any government.
                      There is no doubt that the most zealous critics are the enemies of the state.
                      But how to criticize for the benefit of the country - we have not yet come up with and have not implemented it.

                      In general, I understand you.
                      And in many respects I share your point of view.
                      But with the caveat that we must not forget - the enemy uses every opportunity to weaken and destroy Russia.
                      And here you have to choose the lesser of two evils.
                      1. qQQQ
                        qQQQ 31 July 2022 10: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Flood
                        But how to criticize for the benefit of the country - we have not yet come up with and have not implemented it.

                        No, everything was invented before us. Offer criticism. If criticism is accompanied by specific proposals, then at least it can be disassembled and evaluated, but just pouring slops should be stopped in the bud.
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 31 July 2022 10: 50
                        -1
                        Quote: qqqq
                        everything was invented before us. Offer criticism. If criticism is accompanied by specific proposals, then at least it can be parsed and evaluated

                        Critics in most cases do not have the amount of information necessary to make a competent decision.

                        The vast majority of criticism is "this is how I see" the cricket from my hearth.

                        But even in this pile, there are individual grains of common sense and interesting proposals.

                        By "not invented and not implemented" I mean a system, a mechanism for the influence of sound ideas from the masses on the decision-making process.

                        And not some kind of chimera "everything was invented before us." Which "works" except in chat rooms.
                      3. qQQQ
                        qQQQ 31 July 2022 11: 42
                        0
                        Quote: Flood
                        Critics in most cases do not have the amount of information necessary to make a competent decision.

                        And I completely agree with this, I wrote that it is still necessary to listen and evaluate proposals, because they may have a rational grain, but it is stupid to take immediate action. The whole problem is that people who make decisions, for some reason, consider themselves the only right ones, but this is already a fundamental mistake. The collective mind will always outperform the individual mind.
                2. sniperino
                  sniperino 31 July 2022 11: 26
                  -4
                  Quote: qqqq
                  sometimes an objective assessment of negative manifestations slipped through, but in the streams of lies that poured, it was simply not realistic to find and evaluate it.
                  If we correct the time, then the judgment accurately characterizes our current situation at the VO forum: real, useful criticism is drowning in a stream of slander about the achievements of the Russian Federation and blasphemy against Putin.
                  1. qQQQ
                    qQQQ 31 July 2022 11: 52
                    +1
                    Quote: sniperino
                    a stream of slander on the achievements of the Russian Federation and blasphemy against Putin is drowning real, useful criticism.

                    To be honest, I don’t see much slander and (or) blasphemy against Putin. Estimates may be emotional, but they, at least, have the right to exist. There are, of course, frank stuffing from the Ukrainian military, but they can be seen from afar and they are not taken seriously.
          3. aslanxnumx
            aslanxnumx 30 July 2022 22: 02
            +5
            Here they already wrote about the shoelaces of Stalin and Putin. We live in Russia, and this is a pale shadow of the USSR. Compare the upbringing of Merkel and Putin. Both have a socialist past, only Merkel worked for Germany, and Russia for Putin.
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 31 July 2022 11: 29
              -6
              Quote: aslan642
              Merkel worked for Germany, and Russia for Putin
              Do you even know who you work for?
              1. aslanxnumx
                aslanxnumx 1 August 2022 10: 13
                +1
                I work for myself, the illusion that the state will help ended in 1991. I gave the country a debt. And at any moment I will make you an enemy of the people.
                1. sniperino
                  sniperino 1 August 2022 12: 53
                  -3
                  Quote: aslan642
                  And at any moment I will make you an enemy of the people
                  Why are you pulling, waiting for a command from someone?
  3. S-Semenov
    S-Semenov 30 July 2022 04: 46
    +11
    I don’t know how it is for real .. In our region I read a news feed - obituaries almost every day ..
    The last three, by the way, were over 50 men ..
  4. srelock
    srelock 30 July 2022 04: 58
    -31
    The authors of such footcloths always prefer letters / symbols to real steps ... to the military registration and enlistment office tongue
    1. cmax
      cmax 30 July 2022 05: 10
      +34
      Quote: srelock
      The authors of such footcloths always prefer letters / symbols to real steps ... to the military registration and enlistment office tongue

      And don’t show real steps that they stopped shelling Donetsk, they took Kharkov with Nikolaev. Or Russian attack drones are terrifying the Himmers on the front line around the clock, and not vice versa, and crowds of the Armed Forces of Ukraine surrender. Nothing seems to be visible. There is activity in languages ​​on the talk shows at Solovyov and other similar ones, briefings from the Ministry of Defense, and so on. And don’t scare the military registration and enlistment office, there will be a call, everyone will go.
      1. S-Semenov
        S-Semenov 30 July 2022 05: 28
        +7
        The only question is where will they go.
        It’s one thing when * The enemy is rushing towards Moscow * and another thing is * Go ahead, Vanek, break through the corridor in Transnistria, deprive Ukrainians of access to the Black Sea *
        Vanek will say, why do I need it?
        1. Al manah
          Al manah 30 July 2022 06: 50
          -6
          In fact, the state should not ask Vanka's opinion, but give him a kick in the direction of the military registration and enlistment office. If it is a state, and not a bunch of timid penguins hiding their stolen goods in the cliffs.
          1. S-Semenov
            S-Semenov 30 July 2022 07: 03
            +7
            In order to give someone kicks, you need to have more or less sane justifications, so to speak ..
            But they are not.
            And kicks are such a thing - they work in both directions
            1. Al manah
              Al manah 30 July 2022 07: 15
              -1
              The justification should be the introduction of martial law (declaration of war), this is obvious.
              1. S-Semenov
                S-Semenov 30 July 2022 07: 28
                +19
                Hello, the Russian Vanek will say .. And why is there a war all of a sudden. And he will remember how everyone vied in the winter to persuade the Russian authorities not to start, and the Zakharovs and Lavrovs grimaced and laughed in every way_ "ahaha the stupid West got scared and we weren't going to" ..
                And now it means that Vanek should go orphan his children for these clowns, yeah
                1. Al manah
                  Al manah 30 July 2022 07: 34
                  -15
                  Yes, if the laws / by-laws say that it must, then it must. Well, since he didn’t manage to break out into clowns, which no one will definitely throw into the crucible.
                  1. AdAstra
                    AdAstra 30 July 2022 10: 22
                    +16
                    We have a lot of things in our laws who owe, but for some reason, the extreme one is "Vanek".
                2. Mikhail Sidorov
                  Mikhail Sidorov 30 July 2022 08: 46
                  -13
                  And why all of a sudden the war. And he will remember how everyone vied in the winter to persuade the Russian authorities not to start, and the Zakharovs and Lavrovs grimaced and laughed in every way_ "ahaha the stupid West got scared and we weren't going to" ..
                  And now it means that Vanek should go orphan his children for these clowns, yeah

                  Well, if you don’t go by force, they will drag a forest to the prison to cut down or a penal battalion to dig trenches under shelling. There is always a choice.
                  Go not for clowns, go for Russia.
        2. aslanxnumx
          aslanxnumx 30 July 2022 22: 05
          -2
          And he will correctly say that you can’t see anyone who wants to free themselves from banderlog
      2. Enoch
        Enoch 30 July 2022 06: 26
        +6
        If we lived in union, of course, I would agree with this statement. How do you imagine mobilization in "democratic" Russia? In a socialist country, yes, they called - went, did not go - punishment up to and including execution. Now they will call, anyone can say: - "Yes, you go ...", but if there is a punishment for this, then this is already somehow undemocratic)
      3. S-Semenov
        S-Semenov 30 July 2022 07: 19
        +18
        Yes, no one will go, do not be ridiculous ..
        Khokhls are already born in the state of Ukraine, at least it’s clear why they are in the army - they defend their homeland ..
        And by the way, in the place of our patriots, I would think about why they protect?
        Maybe they really love Ukraine and consider their power to be their own, native, chosen by them, which they can change if something (unlike us)
        But what will the Russian do and it is likely that he will return without arms without legs or even worse? What would the show of Solovyov and Skabeeva go into hysterics that we won back a couple of districts of Zaporozhye?
        Does he need it?
        1. Al manah
          Al manah 30 July 2022 07: 36
          -15
          And they won't ask him if he needs it or not. It is necessary for the state - and Vanyok will bravely march either to the front or behind bars.
          1. S-Semenov
            S-Semenov 30 July 2022 08: 06
            -5
            This is a theory .. How will it go in practice
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 30 July 2022 08: 39
            +10
            The state needs
            What state are you constantly talking about? In modern liberal Russia, the state is prohibited. Everything here is federal. All in the image and likeness. so beloved by the current elite, as in the states.
          3. aslanxnumx
            aslanxnumx 30 July 2022 22: 06
            -1
            As under Nicholas 2
        2. Mikhail Sidorov
          Mikhail Sidorov 30 July 2022 08: 49
          -22
          Maybe they really love Ukraine and consider their power to be their own, native, chosen by them, which they can change if something (unlike us)
          But what will the Russian do and it is likely that he will return without arms without legs or even worse? What would the show of Solovyov and Skabeeva go into hysterics that we won back a couple of districts of Zaporozhye?
          Does he need it?

          And you, my friend, are a provocateur and a scoundrel, as I see it.
          1. Tech_Orchestra
            Tech_Orchestra 30 July 2022 22: 39
            +4
            And you are a bloodthirsty fool if you are ready to indiscriminately send thousands of your fellow citizens to be slaughtered for who knows what purpose.
    2. tatarin1972
      tatarin1972 30 July 2022 05: 40
      -13
      Are you writing from the trenches in Ukraine?!
  5. U-58
    U-58 30 July 2022 05: 00
    +17
    Everything is written correctly. But not everything is written. Namely: red lines - who are they for?
    In terms of person.
    The management of the course of affairs is carried out by the Supreme. The stump is clear that some kind of collectivity takes place. And not only in terms of implementing the decisions of the Supreme High Command, but also in terms of developing these decisions.
    So, for whom did the West draw red lines? For the secretary of defense? Security Minister? Minister of Finance? bank director?
    Or: to what extent do our oligarchs (what the hell are they ours? they are their own) influence decision-making?
    What is the president's dependence on these comrades? In what questions?
    All these secrets of the Madrid court are bypassed by the author.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 30 July 2022 07: 55
      -3
      Quote: U-58
      What is the president's dependence on these comrades?

      The Kremlin has many towers. In general, it has even become fashionable for us to procrastinate on the tasks set - be it the May decrees, or import substitution. Now here is SVO.
    2. dauria
      dauria 30 July 2022 12: 04
      +9
      What is the president's dependence on these comrades? In what questions?
      All these secrets of the Madrid court are bypassed by the author.

      That's the question, that's the question. Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.
      "What am I? king or child? —
      He says not jokingly -
      Now I'm going!" - Here he stomped,
      He went out and slammed the door.

      Since the 99th year, one thought has not given me rest. Animals, for whom it was the norm to go up through the corpses, to show the prosecutor general with women - a common thing suddenly, for no reason, gave up power. All, entirely, without any insurance ... Wonderful.
  6. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 30 July 2022 05: 07
    +28
    NWO has been turned into some kind of farce. Well, if Ramzan Kadyrov could not stand it and expressed his opinion, where are we - on the couch, with his moth-eaten knowledge.
    Neither the opinions of politicians, nor the statements of political scientists and the rest of the masses that do not take any (direct) part in the SVO can be nothing more than shaking the air. Some kind of press secretary can speak for the whole country on behalf of ... Putin and Shoigu - these are the two key figures on whose decision the course of the NWO depends ...
    I have only one assumption left: all these red lines are drawn under the pressure of those for whom the West has become their home. For this, they made that criminal revolution with the mass genocide of people who were instantly left without help, without a livelihood, without food, without work, without pensions, without providing state protection, utilities and everything that is part of the state's duties of providing.
    True, I agree with the words of Ramzan. This sluggish operation on the brains and hearts of the Russians is so annoying that it’s time for someone to “charge” on:

    And to explain on the fingers that socialist principles are more useful than capitalist ones, and parasitism and speculation are not the main path to prosperity.
    hi
  7. Revolver
    Revolver 30 July 2022 05: 13
    +39
    Another "uncomfortable" question: where is the vaunted Russian electronic warfare? Why is the GPS signal not distorted or at least muffled in those places where it is known that there is a high-precision ukrov artillery delivered from the West? Indeed, without GPS, even the vaunted HIMARS are no better than the ancient Katyushas, ​​well, perhaps with a greater range, but the accuracy is the same plus or minus two tram stops.
    1. cmax
      cmax 30 July 2022 06: 02
      +29
      Quote: Nagan
      Another "uncomfortable" question: where is the vaunted Russian electronic warfare? Why is the GPS signal not distorted or at least muffled in those places where it is known that there is a high-precision ukrov artillery delivered from the West? Indeed, without GPS, even the vaunted HIMARS are no better than the ancient Katyushas, ​​well, perhaps with a greater range, but the accuracy is the same plus or minus two tram stops.

      And here's the question I'm interested in. Recently, the Ukrainians buried their "hero" pilot Kukurba, to hell with him, but shot down his SU-25 on the 100th flight. That is, he bombed our 99 times. Someone can say how this is possible, in the presence of Russian fighter aircraft and the best air defense in the world. I would like to know the opinion of General Kanashenkov.
      1. KCA
        KCA 30 July 2022 06: 44
        +1
        - Doctor, I have a problem, pilot Kukurba, they say that he made 99 sorties, and shot him down on the 100th, and I made one sortie, and they shot me down, what should I do?
        - What are the problems, and you say that you made 100 sorties
        1. cmax
          cmax 30 July 2022 10: 59
          +9
          Quote: KCA
          - Doctor, I have a problem, pilot Kukurba, they say that he made 99 sorties, and shot him down on the 100th, and I made one sortie, and they shot me down, what should I do?
          - What are the problems, and you say that you made 100 sorties

          Yes, at least one flight. He flew on a plane not with cakes, but with bombs and rockets.
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 30 July 2022 07: 35
        -6
        but shot down by his SU-25 on the 100th sortie. T
        They wanted to write "at 1000 flights", but a typo came out.
      3. Revolver
        Revolver 30 July 2022 19: 17
        0
        Quote: cmax
        Recently, the Ukrainians buried their "hero" pilot Kukurba, to hell with him, but he was shot down by SU-25

        SU-25s usually operate from low altitudes BEHIND the front line, and the downed ones fall there as well. The question is, what did the ukry bury, and how did they get it?
      4. odisey3000
        odisey3000 7 August 2022 19: 38
        0
        Stop listening to all sorts of Ukrainian crap, dear, you listen to their television for the sake of laughter, there is one victory. So with this pilot, and what is not 500 sorties, the main result, they buried the hero. I don’t even know by how much.
    2. Al manah
      Al manah 30 July 2022 06: 55
      0
      Remained in victorious weekend military broadcasts.
    3. Mikhail Drabkin
      Mikhail Drabkin 30 July 2022 09: 19
      +3
      Revolver:

      Smart and bull's-eye!
    4. spirit
      spirit 30 July 2022 12: 03
      +16
      where is the vaunted Russian electronic warfare?
      Its function is performed by the MO temple (suppresses enemy signals)) led by the Tuva "Deer"
    5. Alien From
      Alien From 30 July 2022 17: 50
      +4
      I completely agree! Such praises were sung to this reb, only where is it all and why does it not work IS UNCLEARLY!!!
  8. yuliatreb
    yuliatreb 30 July 2022 05: 16
    +7
    For real, only full-fledged military operations, including all the charms, dirt, blood, sweat and shit, no mercy, no one; children, women, old people. To demolish everything in its path, minimizing the losses of its army as much as possible, this is for real, then this is WAR, and so too with all of the above, but with manifestations of humanism.
  9. Roust
    Roust 30 July 2022 05: 20
    0
    Don't panic, just don't panic. The day after tomorrow is the last month of summer.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 30 July 2022 08: 47
      +7
      The day after tomorrow is the last month of summer.
      After it, the last autumn of this year, and there we will celebrate the anniversary of the special operation.
      1. frog
        frog 30 July 2022 09: 58
        +5
        1979 - 1989 wink
        "Everything has already been under this sky"
  10. your vsr 66-67
    your vsr 66-67 30 July 2022 06: 15
    +2
    NWO lacks I. V. Stalin!
    Both NATO and the outskirts would have been on their knees for a long time, and Zelya would have dangled in a noose!
    1. S-Semenov
      S-Semenov 30 July 2022 07: 23
      -5
      And what about Stalin then .. Stalin picked up notably from Finland with 3.5 million people ..
      And then 45 million ..
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 30 July 2022 19: 35
        +1
        Quote: S-Semenov
        Stalin from Finland with 3.5 million people picked up notably ..

        Did you have any other ideas on how to break through the heavily fortified Mannerheim Line on terrain that is ideal for defense, and completely unsuitable for the offensive? But they broke through, and not even once, but twice. And both times it was Finland who asked for peace.
        Stalin could have annexed Finland to the USSR both times, but he never did. And he did not put the Communist Party in the government. And since Stalin never did anything without a reason, there was also a reason, and the clearly not officially declared "peacefulness of the USSR." But why Stalin needed a formally neutral and not communist, but in fact dependent on the USSR Finland, we can only guess, but it worked all the time that the USSR existed, and another 30 years after.
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  12. Siberian54
    Siberian54 30 July 2022 06: 27
    +22
    What are you! What a war, what an attack! MAIN PARADE!!! According to the box...
  13. t-12
    t-12 30 July 2022 06: 37
    +19
    "For real" - how is it? Attacks on "decision-making centers"? What about hitting? HIMARS hit accurately, which can be seen on the Antonovsky bridge in Kherson (all hits are within 10-20 meters). The accuracy of Russian missiles is hundreds of meters (which can be seen from Kremenchug or Kyiv "Artyom").

    Aviation is poorly used; obviously, because of the unsuppressed Ukrainian air defense.

    To carry out mobilization, to take Soviet armored vehicles and artillery from the reserve, to hit squares, to crush the enemy with mass? Well, in principle, you can win, if you do not pay attention to losses.

    And in general, there are too many show-offs, but there are few things to do. We are cool, the second army of the world, and there is some kind of Ukraine, but we are her one left. Terrible with one regiment in two hours, and Kyiv ... well, three regiments in three days.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 30 July 2022 06: 59
      -4
      Quote: t-12
      The accuracy of Russian missiles is hundreds of meters (which can be seen from Kremenchug or Kyiv "Artyom").

      And so every day they explode warehouses and barracks?
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 30 July 2022 10: 09
      +5
      Quote: t-12
      The accuracy of Russian missiles is hundreds of meters (which can be seen from Kremenchug or Kyiv "Artyom").

      Stop talking crap... You see - X-R-E-N-L!!!
      They are simply not used on targets that are BEHIND the "red line" ...
      Is strategic aviation used?
      Carpet bombardment of reconnoitered fortified areas is carried out?
      What about substations of 110 kV and above?
      How and why is communication still working in Ukraine?
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 30 July 2022 17: 58
        +3
        Because we are being treated like a herd of cheap sheep!
      2. t-12
        t-12 30 July 2022 21: 24
        0
        Carpet bombardment of concrete fortifications is carried out and gives little (because accuracy is needed). Substations and communications ... well, civilians will remain without electricity and communications, but what will it give? The Armed Forces of Ukraine have diesel generators, digital radio stations, satellite communications ...
        1. aslanxnumx
          aslanxnumx 30 July 2022 22: 12
          -1
          There is a system that brings the plane exactly to the target and drops the cast-iron one, but the problem is in the air defense, which was not suppressed in any way.
  14. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 30 July 2022 06: 41
    -3
    The Russian army, the second in the ranking of the strongest armies in the world after the United States, cannot be constrained in its actions by the enemy army, which occupies only (!) 22nd place.

    You forget that only part of our troops is involved in the NWO, and not the entire army.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 30 July 2022 10: 16
      +11
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      You forget what's in SVO only part of our troops is involved, not the whole army.

      Can you tell for sure what this is? The operation cannot continue for as long as you like - the patient will either get better, or the horses will move.
      Personally, I don't get deja vu. It seems that the RF Armed Forces are deliberately putting spokes in the wheels ...
      1. Dilettante grandfather
        Dilettante grandfather 30 July 2022 13: 58
        -6
        I believe that our General Staff is waiting for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to "move horses", and therefore they do not force events. I want to note that my personal opinion is that it is necessary to launch a massive offensive, including from the territory of the Republic of Belarus, cutting off any ways of delivering military equipment, ammunition and personnel for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to Ukraine. And for this, our forces, which are involved in the NWO, are clearly not enough. But! The General Staff knows a lot more than we do on our sofas, so our opinions don't matter. hi
    2. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 30 July 2022 21: 10
      +2
      You forget that only part of our troops is involved in the NWO, and not the entire army.

      Does it happen otherwise? Not even the entire army took part in the Great Patriotic War - it was impossible to remove all forces from the Far East, we occupied Iran together with Great Britain. And someone needs to train reinforcements in the rear.
      How do you even imagine - to transfer absolutely the entire army to Ukraine? Do you think that Japan will not use such a gift in the Kuril Islands? And the Armed Forces of Ukraine also do not have all the personnel on the front lines at any given time - they are trained in the western regions, even in the UK, 20 thousand cover the border with Belarus, etc. So, apparently, exactly as many military personnel are fighting in Ukraine as the Russian Federation could be sent there without mobilization, taking into account the need for rotation, maintaining cover for other strategic directions.
      1. Dilettante grandfather
        Dilettante grandfather 31 July 2022 05: 05
        -1
        No need to exaggerate. Don't compare millions and hundreds of thousands.
        So, apparently, exactly as many military personnel are fighting in Ukraine as the Russian Federation could send there without mobilization, taking into account the need for rotation,
        - I do not quite understand the essence of your claims to me. Did I say otherwise?! In which place?
        I say that we just need to start fighting for real. And strike along the western borders of Ukraine, cutting off the possibility of supplying Western weapons there. Or do you think that we are not able to assemble another grouping of troops, equal in number to the one involved in the NWO? Please explain.
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 July 2022 06: 50
    +15
    why Russia behaves relatively “gallantly” in the special operation in Ukraine
    Many people ask this question, but they cannot get an answer to it. It's a shame that Ukraine continues to calmly pump up weapons, finish off the still incompletely destroyed infrastructure of Donbass, kill civilians... and much more is insulting. Of course, a simple layman cannot know everything, but haven’t we tricked the special operation too much to such an extent that it becomes unclear whether we are carrying out demilitarization with denazification or are we trying not to disturb peaceful life in Kyiv, Lvov, Ivano-Frankivsk ...?
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 30 July 2022 21: 22
      +2
      or are we trying not to disturb peaceful life in Kyiv, Lvov, Ivano-Frankivsk...?

      And how can we disturb her on an ongoing basis, massively, daily and every night? Stocks of high-precision weapons, all these "Daggers", "Caliber", "Iskanders" are not so great. Aviation? It does not work at strategic depth in this conflict, obviously due to the "completely suppressed" air defense at the very beginning. The fleet from the coast now, after the "Moscow" is kept at a respectful distance. So the depth of the massive impact of the RF Armed Forces on the enemy is determined by the range of the artillery, and taking into account the need to distance the guns and MLRS from the front line in order to avoid their detection and destruction by the enemy. So our "chivalry" is not a matter of our choice, but of our capabilities.
  16. nikvic46
    nikvic46 30 July 2022 06: 55
    0
    All industries, without exception, have their own officials. They are already being released without belonging to the industry, but belonging to the paper. They have already printed responses to complaints. Enterprises are either narrowly targeted. Or they are so universal that they produce everything to the last nut. On the one hand, there are opamps, and there are a lot of them. On the other hand, there are universals, and there are very few of them. We took everything from the West. be able to get some money, and somewhere to exchange it for the right thing.
  17. Dart2027
    Dart2027 30 July 2022 06: 58
    -1
    How tired of the same. Railways are being restored very quickly, the technology is still of the last century, unless the entire track is plowed for hundreds of kilometers, which is impossible. Building bridges is also an easy task, not to mention the dams, the destruction of which will cause such a catastrophe that mother do not worry. In short, it is better to spend missiles on real targets.
    Those who like to shout about the need to shell cities on the territory of Ukraine do not understand the simple fact that the owners of Ukraine do not care about them. Do you seriously believe that Biden will be frightened by the death of tens of thousands of residents of Kyiv? Seriously?
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 30 July 2022 07: 45
      +15
      Quote: Dart2027
      Building bridges is also an easy task.

      Can you not worry about the Antonovsky Bridge? And for the Crimean too?
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 30 July 2022 08: 37
        -7
        Quote: Stas157
        Can you not worry about the Antonovsky Bridge?

        The pontoon-bridge park (PMP) is a set of floating bridge, which is in service with the engineering and road (transport) troops of the armed forces of many countries of the world.

        From the material part of the park are equipped with:
        bridge crossings with a carrying capacity of 20 and 60 tons;
        ferry crossings with a carrying capacity of 20 ... 170 tons. The main transport ferries are: 40-, 60-, and 80-ton (from river links) and 110-, 150-ton (from river and coastal links).
        1. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 30 July 2022 21: 26
          +4
          So after all, such bridges are destroyed even easier than stationary ones. And their coordinates of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are received from Western satellites at the stage of pointing the pontoons. The capacity of ferry crossings cannot be compared with the bridge. If a large grouping of troops, say, on the right bank of the Dnieper turns out to be dependent on ferries, then it is definitely kirdyk.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 30 July 2022 22: 05
            -2
            Quote: UAZ 452
            So after all, such bridges are destroyed even easier than stationary ones.

            Ten and two at once?
            1. UAZ 452
              UAZ 452 30 July 2022 22: 32
              +2
              1. Will we pull two dozen pontoon bridges, say, across the Dnieper? Do we have so many sets of equipment for them, trained personnel of engineering units?
              2. If the coordinates of such crossings are known, then destroying them is much faster, easier and cheaper than building them.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 30 July 2022 22: 36
                -2
                Quote: UAZ 452
                Do we have so many sets of equipment for them, trained personnel of engineering units?

                We were supposed to run out of missiles in March.
                And another question is how many American MLRS and missiles for them are left with the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
                1. UAZ 452
                  UAZ 452 30 July 2022 22: 58
                  0
                  Rockets, one must think, are made in our factories. The ones that were there may be gone. Pontoon kits can also be made, of course, but not twenty at once, and trained personnel are "made" even more slowly.
                  How many MLRS and missiles the APU has left - I don’t know either. But there are definitely more in the arsenals of the US Army. For stationary objects such as a pontoon bridge with known coordinates, it will definitely suffice. air defense? If they couldn’t protect the strategic Antonovsky bridge, then they won’t be able to protect the pontoon, all the more so - a bunch of bridges that you write about.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 30 July 2022 23: 09
                    -2
                    Quote: UAZ 452
                    Pontoon kits can also be made, of course, but not twenty at once, and trained personnel are "made" even more slowly.

                    Well, how many are there?
                    Quote: UAZ 452
                    But there are definitely more in the arsenals of the US Army.

                    Yes, to health, how much does the APU have?
                    Quote: UAZ 452
                    IN? If they could not protect the strategic Antonovsky bridge

                    Which was declared strategic and irreplaceable by no one knows.
      2. AdAstra
        AdAstra 30 July 2022 10: 34
        +3
        Of course, they wrote to you. (Irony and sarcasm (
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 30 July 2022 10: 23
      +13
      Quote: Dart2027
      Do you seriously believe that Biden will be frightened by the death of tens of thousands of residents of Kyiv? Seriously?

      Do you seriously think that in order to bring Kyiv to its knees, you need to kill people? Water supply (water intakes, lifting stations, water pressure stations), sewerage and water disposal; power supply (power substations from 35 kV and above); gas supply...Come in and take what you want.
      Deprivation of a modern city of energy supply and communications - KHAN!!!
      1. Adrey
        Adrey 30 July 2022 10: 43
        +1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Water supply (water intakes, lifting stations, water pressure stations), sewerage and water disposal; power supply (power substations from 35 kV and above); gas supply...Come in and take what you want.
        Deprivation of a modern city of energy supply and communications - KHAN!!!

        Do you seriously think that these actions will have a positive effect on us?
        The army is a fairly autonomous thing, starting with power supplies and ending with water filtration plants (sewerage is somehow on its side laughing).
        Enterprises and services involved in defense will be restored as soon as possible at the expense of other consumers (unless, of course, they are completely blown to dust).
        But the peacekeeper, yes, will sip dashingly to the fullest. And apparently after that he will love us so much that he will throw flowers on the armor. hi
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 30 July 2022 11: 37
          0
          Quote: Adrey
          Do you seriously think that these actions will have a positive effect on us?

          There will be nothing negative for the RF Armed Forces. The Kyiv authorities will not be able to hide behind the backs of the "peace".
          Quote: Adrey
          The army is quite autonomous

          This is in the presence of fuels and lubricants, which are poured directly from the Ukrainian land - it is enough to screw in a pipe with a tap ... wassat
          Quote: Adrey
          the sewer is somehow on her side

          In a week they will choke in their own shit.
          I will no longer list the "charms" of dry rations ...
          Quote: Dart2027
          So what? Well, he will lose all of the above and what's next?

          Read further Ramzan Kadyrov's request to President Putin.
          1. Adrey
            Adrey 30 July 2022 11: 51
            0
            Quote: ROSS 42
            There will be nothing negative for the RF Armed Forces. The Kyiv authorities will not be able to hide behind the backs of the "peace".

            Could you clarify what exactly you mean?
            Quote: ROSS 42
            This is in the presence of fuels and lubricants, which are poured directly from the Ukrainian land - it is enough to screw in a pipe with a tap ...

            Nothing prevents supply directly from the wheels, including the railway. Are you aware of mobile filling parks made of soft containers that can lie right next to the roadbed?
            Quote: ROSS 42
            In a week they will choke in their own shit.
            I will no longer list the "charms" of dry rations ...

            An excavator (a compartment with shovels is possible), a trench, above it a toilet-type toilet marked with the letters EM and ZHO laughing request.
            And yes, the field kitchen will help you.
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Quote: Dart2027
            So what? Well, he will lose all of the above and what's next?

            Read further Ramzan Kadyrov's request to President Putin.

            That's not mine hi
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 30 July 2022 12: 04
              +2
              Quote: Adrey
              That's not mine

              I have no time to divide you into whites and reds. Take each of your answers. No thanks needed. For explanations and other nuances, ask Peskov - a well-known analyst and is fluent in English. After the imposition of sanctions, he hates the United States very much (together with his daughter) ...
              Quote: Adrey
              Nothing prevents supply directly from the wheels, including the railway. Are you aware of mobile filling parks made of soft containers that can lie right next to the roadbed?

              stop And, really, how brightly and hotly fuels and lubricants burn, you don’t tell me ... Especially in soft containers ...
              1. Adrey
                Adrey 30 July 2022 12: 10
                0
                Quote: ROSS 42
                I have no time to divide you into whites and reds.

                I'm sorry to distract such a busy husband from great things. wassat.
                Quote: ROSS 42
                For explanations and other nuances, ask Peskov - a well-known analyst and is fluent in English. After the imposition of sanctions, he hates the United States very much (together with his daughter) ...

                I don't eat it...
                Quote: ROSS 42
                And, really, how brightly and hotly fuels and lubricants burn, you don’t tell me ... Especially in soft containers ...

                You still need to find them, and then get request
        2. spektr9
          spektr9 30 July 2022 11: 54
          +1
          Do you seriously think that these actions will have a positive effect on us?

          For you, it is not known what effect these actions will have. For the Russian Federation, these actions will have the following effect: reducing the mobilization potential of Ukraine, reducing logistical ties for the delivery of weapons to the front line, as well as demotivating enemy forces on the fronts
          1. Adrey
            Adrey 30 July 2022 12: 01
            +2
            Quote: spektr9
            For the Russian Federation, these actions will have the following effect: reducing the mobilization potential

            Did I understand you correctly that you are proposing to "reduce" the civilian population that has not yet been mobilized?
            Quote: spektr9
            reduction of logistics links for the delivery of weapons to the front line

            Ukraine has a good network of roads on its territory. To control them, you must have complete air supremacy. What, unfortunately, is not observed request.
            Quote: spektr9
            also demotivation of enemy forces on the fronts

            Apparently, it is supposed to be achieved by "reducing" the non-mobilized population in the rear. Seems like a dubious option to me. hi
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 30 July 2022 10: 45
        -3
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Deprivation of a modern city of energy supply and communications - KHAN!!!

        So what? Well, he will lose all of the above and what's next? Biden will burst into tears of pity?
        Quote: Dart2027
        the owners of Ukraine do not care about them
        The people can be outraged as much as they like, but nothing will change from this, but the mortality rate from all of the above will increase significantly, so you propose the same thing, only in a different way.
    3. S-Semenov
      S-Semenov 30 July 2022 22: 24
      -2
      Do you seriously believe that Biden will be frightened by the death of tens of thousands of residents of Kyiv? Seriously?

      And that doesn't scare you?
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 30 July 2022 22: 41
        -3
        Quote: S-Semenov
        And that doesn't scare you?

        If it really could lead to victory?
        1. S-Semenov
          S-Semenov 31 July 2022 04: 35
          -2
          But who knows whether it will lead or not .. Here, for example, you woke up today and in the news - *A massive blow was dealt to Kyiv ..Thousands of victims were destroyed quarters *
          Biden God bless him, and you, then?
          Be scared or say - * Well, thank you Lord, finally *
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 31 July 2022 06: 46
            -4
            Quote: S-Semenov
            But who knows if it will or not.

            If it does, then nothing personal, they asked for it.
            1. S-Semenov
              S-Semenov 31 July 2022 07: 21
              -1
              Uh huh, I see, thanks..
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 31 July 2022 09: 19
                -2
                Quote: S-Semenov
                Uh-huh, I see

                Welcome to the real world, where Caliber or Iskander can fly in response to the calls "Moskal to Gilyak".
                1. S-Semenov
                  S-Semenov 31 July 2022 09: 41
                  -2
                  Yeah .. It's about if someone breaks into your house, your whole family cripples everything, breaks everything in the house ..
                  And to the question of what to answer, and your son and I had a fight 8 years ago at a disco, he shouted *I'll kill you* ..
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 31 July 2022 09: 47
                    0
                    Quote: S-Semenov
                    Yeah .. It's about

                    Traditional Bandera: "What are we for ?!"
                    1. S-Semenov
                      S-Semenov 31 July 2022 10: 10
                      -6
                      So you already gave an answer .. you are ready to kill tens of thousands for an 8-year-old chant that is offensive to you ...
                      It's fine..
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 31 July 2022 12: 46
                        +2
                        Quote: S-Semenov
                        .you are ready to kill tens of thousands for an 8-year-old chant that is offensive to you

                        And how many Russians were killed by those who repeated this chant for these 8 years?
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Traditional Bandera: "What are we for ?!"
            2. S-Semenov
              S-Semenov 31 July 2022 09: 48
              -3
              And if it doesn’t lead, you will end up losing the war?
              How do you agree then that a long-range himars will fly into your quarter and bury you and everyone you care about?
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 31 July 2022 12: 47
                -2
                Quote: S-Semenov
                And if it doesn’t lead, you will end up losing the war?

                Then nothing will happen. YaO it is.
  18. parusnik
    parusnik 30 July 2022 07: 12
    +14
    NWO, nonsense, the main maneuvers are political.
  19. likana
    likana 30 July 2022 07: 22
    +11
    The real power in Russia, Ukraine, USA, EU belongs to the Jewish financial capital. It is ridiculous to think that the actions of these "elites" are not coordinated to achieve a common goal. The thought does not leave me that the NWO is an operation of an international kahal to weaken the Slavic world, its depletion, movement towards world domination, a logical continuation of the covid campaign. There is no other way to explain the ridiculous conduct of the NMD, when even couch strategies on the forums seem really wiser than the gray-haired generals and much more patriotic than the negotiators from the Russian side, many of whom smell of the Torah ...
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 30 July 2022 18: 03
      +1
      I applaud while standing! good hi
  20. Mikhail Sidorov
    Mikhail Sidorov 30 July 2022 08: 34
    +3
    Thanks Alexander for the article. I largely agree with you. After the victory, it will be necessary to change the power in our country. I hope for the elections.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 30 July 2022 09: 12
      -5
      Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
      After the victory, it will be necessary to change the power in our country.

      Yes, you are a Decembrist, my friend. Those, after the victory over France, also tried to stage a coup. laughing
      1. Mikhail Sidorov
        Mikhail Sidorov 30 July 2022 09: 18
        +4
        Yes, you are a Decembrist, my friend. Those, after the victory over France, also tried to stage a coup. laughing

        laughing Yes, it seems not from the nobility. We don't have blue blood. lol
    2. S-Semenov
      S-Semenov 30 July 2022 09: 22
      -7
      And why suddenly change the power? After the victory
      1. Mikhail Sidorov
        Mikhail Sidorov 30 July 2022 09: 28
        +2
        And why suddenly change the power? After the victory

        Not everything is going smoothly in the Russian state, there are many problems. In all areas.
        1. S-Semenov
          S-Semenov 30 July 2022 09: 33
          -6
          Yeah .. That is, in Russia there are a lot of problems in all areas and the authorities are not coping well with this, but instead of solving these internal problems, you need to grab external problems with the same authorities ..
          Do you understand correctly?
          1. Mikhail Sidorov
            Mikhail Sidorov 30 July 2022 09: 39
            +3
            There is no need to be afraid of problems, they need to be solved. The easiest thing is to lie on the couch and drink something chilled... Life is a hard thing, you always have to fight for something. And external problems have always been in our entire history.
            1. S-Semenov
              S-Semenov 30 July 2022 09: 41
              -10
              Everything is clear with you
              1. Mikhail Sidorov
                Mikhail Sidorov 30 July 2022 09: 43
                +3
                Everything is clear with you

                With you too. hi See above.
                1. S-Semenov
                  S-Semenov 30 July 2022 09: 51
                  -7
                  That's why I wanted to clarify your position.
                  And that's just some bullshit.
                  Everyone must go to war if the authorities say, and then the authorities must be changed because there are many problems in Russia ..
                  It's not even a cart before the horse, it's just some kind of confusion
                  1. Mikhail Sidorov
                    Mikhail Sidorov 30 July 2022 10: 02
                    +4
                    Everyone must go to war if the authorities say, and then the authorities must be changed because there are many problems in Russia ..
                    It's not even a cart before the horse, it's just some kind of confusion

                    And I do not identify the current government and Russia. Russia is over a thousand years old. And Putins come and go. And the war in Ukraine is a huge window of opportunity, which the current government, in my opinion, does not use very well.
                    1. S-Semenov
                      S-Semenov 30 July 2022 10: 07
                      -12
                      Just in case, let me remind you that you have almost directly quoted Stalin's words about Hitler and Germany.
                      I think you need to attract the attention of the investigating authorities to you ..
                      Whose mill are you pouring water on?
                      1. Mikhail Sidorov
                        Mikhail Sidorov 30 July 2022 10: 17
                        +7
                        Just in case, let me remind you that you have almost directly quoted Stalin's words about Hitler and Germany.
                        I think you need to attract the attention of the investigating authorities to you ..

                        Well, a flag in your hands and a drum around your neck. laughing keep busy....
            2. frog
              frog 30 July 2022 09: 55
              +4
              And external problems have always been in our entire history.

              The main problem of the Fatherland has always been internal problems. And they remain. And external - only a consequence. But internal decisions are not interesting repeat
              1. S-Semenov
                S-Semenov 30 July 2022 10: 03
                -4
                *** But internal decisions are not interesting ***
                Or try to sort of solve them * small victorious * .. History also knows such cases
                1. frog
                  frog 30 July 2022 13: 03
                  0
                  Naturally. Judging by the way they gave you)) What is there in folklore about meat and cats? wink
              2. Mikhail Sidorov
                Mikhail Sidorov 30 July 2022 10: 04
                +2
                The main problem of the Fatherland has always been internal problems. And they remain. And external - only a consequence.

                Disagree. We were never allowed to "cook in ourselves", someone's ears from abroad always stuck out.
                1. frog
                  frog 30 July 2022 13: 05
                  +2
                  Disagree

                  Your right. You can disagree with the gravitational constant, or there with the laws of Monsieur Ohm ..... Who will forbid you?
  21. Boris55
    Boris55 30 July 2022 08: 55
    -13
    Sofa warriors forget that our people live throughout Ukraine, taken hostage by the terrorist authorities and sent to the trenches fratricidal war. None of the cinematic scenarios of conventional warfare work here - we came to liberate, not to conquer.
    This is the fundamental difference.

    And yet - we are winning, and the enemy is running. All Ukraine will be part of Russia!

    ps
    In the Second World War, it took a year to liberate Ukraine ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 30 July 2022 10: 29
      +15
      Quote: Boris55
      Sofa warriors forget that our people live all over Ukraine, taken hostage by the terrorist authorities

      We haven’t even forgotten yet how the EBN came to power in Russia and how they blinded the constitution ... Or will you start “pounding your chest with your fist” that now is not what it was today? I will believe you with pleasure when I walk through the ruins of the EBN Center and read that the pension reform has been canceled, along with electronic voting.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 30 July 2022 11: 53
        -12
        Quote: ROSS 42
        now not what just now?

        Do you still remember how it was the other day?

        This is the kind of Russia Putin accepted. Is there something like today?
        1. aslanxnumx
          aslanxnumx 31 July 2022 16: 34
          -1
          Why are you lying, 1998 was not like that
          1. frog
            frog 31 July 2022 16: 59
            -2
            So what? if it wasn’t, then it’s already impossible for a citizen to lie?? wink
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 1 August 2022 07: 50
              0
              Quote: aslan642
              Why are you lying 1998 this was not

              Where did you see that I indicated this particular date?
              Putin officially received the presidency in this century - 2000 ..
              1. frog
                frog 1 August 2022 08: 30
                -1
                You, venerable one, posted a pitiful photo and pointed out that it was such a country that the Supreme Commander accepted. Now you have indicated that it was in the year 2000. When these pictures were only staged for about 3 years as of this moment. If you don't like the word "lie", you can write "artistically exaggerate" in "polemical fervor" wink
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 1 August 2022 08: 39
                  -2
                  Quote: frog
                  Now you have indicated that it was in the year 2000

                  Learn to read correctly and adequately perceive what you read.
                  I wrote that Putin became president in XNUMX.
                  By this time, the whole country was similar to what is in the photo.
                  (when and by whom it was made - in this context it does not matter)
                  1. frog
                    frog 1 August 2022 09: 09
                    -1
                    By this time, the whole country was similar to what is in the photo.

                    Well, after all, they asked not to lie .... Did they ask? SHO, no other way?
                    Already 1998 was already, with some improvement in living standards (very decent, compared to 1993, for example), already Kinder, as a pioneer, set himself up by order, and Primus already restored what was profaned under Govorun ....
                    And here, you are all in white, from the magazine "Spark" ....
                    You need to work thinner, thinner .... "You need to work more carefully" (c)
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 2 August 2022 11: 10
                      -1
                      Quote: frog
                      Well, they asked you not to lie ...

                      I wonder where and who put this nonsense into your head?

                      In the new century, Russia had to stop its coexistence. Everything was done for this, but what are you talking about?
                      1. frog
                        frog 2 August 2022 11: 15
                        -1
                        I wonder where and who put this nonsense into your head?

                        It's you who ask the mirror, I'm not your assistant here ...
                        In the new century, Russia had to stop its coexistence.

                        Magazine "Ogonyok" - profile view. But it's a bit off topic. And the fact that the photo you cited at the time the Great One came to the stool is not true. No more.
              2. aslanxnumx
                aslanxnumx 1 August 2022 15: 05
                -1
                Putin came to power in 1998
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 2 August 2022 10: 33
                  -2
                  Quote: aslan642
                  Putin came to power in 1998

                  You should at least look at Wikipedia before writing something like this:

                  "...He became the first person of the state on December 31, 1999, when, after the resignation of Russian President Boris Yeltsin, he was appointed acting president. First elected president of Russia on March 26, 2000..."
  22. your vsr 66-67
    your vsr 66-67 30 July 2022 09: 01
    +5
    Quote: Boris55
    All Ukraine will be part of Russia!

    Does Russia and the Russian people need it? Do you personally need?
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 30 July 2022 09: 07
      +2
      Kemska parish? Not!
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 30 July 2022 09: 07
      0
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      Does Russia and the Russian people need it?

      Kemska parish? Yes!

      ps
      Russia and the Russian people are inseparable. There will be no one - there will be no other.
      1. your vsr 66-67
        your vsr 66-67 30 July 2022 11: 21
        +2
        Do you mean ukronazis who kill the civilian population of Donbass and shoot at our villages - Russians?
        These are not Russians, these are frenzied fascist rabble! They will never be brotherly people!
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 30 July 2022 12: 03
          -2
          Quote: your vsr 66-67
          These are not Russians, these are frenzied fascist rabble!

          Yes, these are not Russians, this is a frenzied fascist rabble, standing behind the backs of the Russians, and under the threat of being shot, forcing them to shoot at us.

          You have to fight the cause. The consequences can be fought ad infinitum.
    3. Mikhail Sidorov
      Mikhail Sidorov 30 July 2022 09: 22
      +7
      Does Russia and the Russian people need it? Do you personally need?

      I need. in the form of regions. This is our strategic depth, which saved us.
      1. S-Semenov
        S-Semenov 30 July 2022 10: 01
        -7
        And how much did this depth help in 1917 or 1991?
        1. Mikhail Sidorov
          Mikhail Sidorov 30 July 2022 10: 10
          +5
          And how much did this depth help in 1917 or 1991?

          This depth helped in 1941 and 1812. When we could simply disappear from history, when the danger was global. And in 1991 and 1917 we just changed, let's say so.
      2. your vsr 66-67
        your vsr 66-67 30 July 2022 11: 04
        -1
        As areas? And I asked Boris55 about all of Ukraine! Do you feel the difference?
        1. Mikhail Sidorov
          Mikhail Sidorov 30 July 2022 11: 08
          0
          As areas? And I asked Boris55 about all of Ukraine! Do you feel the difference?

          Yes. The state of Ukraine must disappear. I understand you so. hi
          1. your vsr 66-67
            your vsr 66-67 30 July 2022 11: 17
            -1
            I don't know about disappearing.
            But all! Russia does not need Ukraine! South and east, I agree. And the center and west are not needed! As they were enemies, they will remain so!
            1. Mikhail Sidorov
              Mikhail Sidorov 30 July 2022 11: 26
              +2
              I don't know about disappearing.
              But all! Russia does not need Ukraine! South and east, I agree. And the center and west are not needed! As they were enemies, they will remain so!

              So what are we going to endure constant shelling of border areas? No. It is necessary to eliminate the tumor entirely. Undertook to fight so you need to finish it to the end. And I categorically disagree with the idea of ​​giving the west of Ukraine to Poland or Romania. I looked at the "Medvedev's map" and absolutely do not agree with such a development of territorial events. Strengthen Poland? No. Leave "cancer tumors" under the name of Ukraine? No.
  23. ivan2022
    ivan2022 30 July 2022 09: 08
    +1
    Quote: your vsr 66-67
    Quote: Boris55
    All Ukraine will be part of Russia!

    Does Russia and the Russian people need it? Do you personally need?

    I personally need to give nothing to anyone. And it turns out to be too expensive for myself and for me personally, when the West begins to "feed the former republics".
  24. Plate
    Plate 30 July 2022 10: 48
    -2
    The patriotically oriented part of the society… suspects… the lack of political will of the Russian leadership…

    I personally began to suspect a lack of political will even during the coronavirus epidemic due to the inability of the authorities to take real measures against its spread, or at least to ensure reliable implementation of those already taken.
    But here I agree: there is no particular need to turn the NWO into a real war. It is only possible to organize a quick capture of Ukraine with our ground troops (they only have ~ 280 thousand people, in all) if the Ukrainian units that stand in the way are completely "calibrated", regardless of the destruction along the way. Considering how much the Ukrainian troops love to hide behind the backs of civilians, the losses among the latter would be in the tens of thousands, if not more. And we would get the picture that the West needs so much with bloody Putin at the head of barbaric Russia, ready to chop up the civilian population "in the name of its ambitions."
  25. Million
    Million 30 July 2022 11: 31
    -1
    I think that our government is waiting for autumn, when it gets colder. They will close the tap to Europe under some pretext and there will be a reason for bargaining about Ukraine. Zelensky does not solve anything in essence.
  26. VLR
    VLR 30 July 2022 12: 05
    +6
    Have you noticed that now, in the summer, all of a sudden, for no apparent reason, the incidence of Covid has begun to “grow”? They are already starting to escalate on TV, although, in fact, nothing terrible is noticeable. But don’t our authorities want to curtail the boring and unsuccessful NWO under the pretext of a “new wave” of Covid and the need for another lockdown?
    1. gansales
      gansales 30 July 2022 12: 32
      -19
      You are talking nonsense .. After the start of the NWO by Russia, the entire epidemic immediately subsided and they forgot about it in the West, including .. Everyone recovered dramatically !!!
      This whole pandemic was inflated by the West and it is possible that they threw something out of their laboratories ..
      I personally did not inject and spit on these pandemics of yours inflated to a global scale Ugh damn it
      PS Putin needs to give a Nobel Prize in medicine .. Stopped the pandemic and screaming about the covid is VERY !!!!
      Everyone is healthy!!!!
      1. VLR
        VLR 30 July 2022 12: 35
        +5
        Here's the thing: when the decision was made to start the NWO, this strange "pandemic" in Russia was quickly, even swiftly, "turned off." And now, suddenly, before our very eyes, this "pandemic" is being "reanimated." For no apparent reason. What for?
  27. gansales
    gansales 30 July 2022 12: 27
    -20
    “Everyone should know that by and large we haven’t really started anything yet.”

    It’s just that the grinding is going slowly with the arrangement ... And I don’t think Russia has any plans to start “seriously”! Just time and General Winter, everything will be over!
    The NWO is not going with Ukraine (its fate has been sealed for a long time), but with the West, in particular with the United States .. There is a redivision of the world and Russia is the leader here, gathering around itself an anti-American coalition .. To put an end to this hegemon.
    1. aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx 1 August 2022 15: 12
      -1
      Well no real powers
      immediately grind the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and we will not defeat NATO with conventional weapons.
  28. Gayver
    Gayver 30 July 2022 14: 14
    -20
    What has the site become? A bunch of all-propellers, liberals and fans of combat p....v. Probably they are waiting for them to give their smallpox to them.
  29. runway-1
    runway-1 30 July 2022 14: 24
    +3
    A banal thought: the course and results of any war or large-scale special operation depend on a complex of internal and external causes.
    So far, we see, in particular, "internal" strategic and tactical miscalculations - which implies an incomplete readiness to implement the NWO ...
  30. Kukuruzka
    Kukuruzka 30 July 2022 16: 06
    +1
    Just one fact, Albert Avdolyan bought the last coal deposit in Siberia. The second fact is a British subject. He threw the Russian passport into the trash can. So the black member of Europe is much deeper in our under-economy than you think. Armenians will destroy Russians just because they are Catholics!
  31. Awaz
    Awaz 30 July 2022 16: 20
    +11
    The problem is not only agreements and intrigues . The main problem is that there is really no one to fight, and there is nothing special, except for high-precision missiles. A vivid example of the incompetence of command and the inferiority of the concept was demonstrated by the Black Sea Fleet, which not only lost its two largest ships, but, as it turned out, was completely devoid of air defense systems .. I think that everything is about the same in other branches of the military. Aviation, too, does not work very efficiently, you yourself see that it is mostly roll-up rollers. Air defense, by the way, also misses a lot. But until recently, everyone was giggling both over the Jewish dome and over the Patriots of the Arabs that they were missing too much ..
    At the beginning of the war, we had no more than 300 thousand contract infantrymen, along with the generals and their wives. Plus a few marines and troops. Plus, the allies recruited a hundred thousand, plus, I hope, another hundred thousand volunteers were recruited. Taking into account losses and rotations, there is no one to fight "on the ground".
    And here, even if the authorities of the Russian Federation had iron balls and political will, all this would not especially affect the consequences of miscalculations in the planning of the operation and the failure at its beginning.
    Now everything rests on the courage of the infantry on the battlefield. The command is losing tactically and politically in almost all respects.
  32. ivan2022
    ivan2022 30 July 2022 18: 15
    -1
    Quote: your vsr 66-67
    I don't know about disappearing.
    But all! Russia does not need Ukraine! South and east, I agree. And the center and west are not needed! As they were enemies, they will remain so!

    The problem is not in Ukraine. And in the "contradictions of Russian life", which Pushkin and Belinsky wrote about back in the 19th century .... "Russia cannot be understood with the mind" - who wrote this? Tyutchev?

    How can you understand if the people elected Yeltsin as President twice, who created sovereign Ukraine together with Kravchuk, and now he interprets that "Ukraine must" do something there .... eklmn .... Yes, gentlemen of politics will come up with something else and again you ...... but in a different way, that's all.
  33. Serg Khag
    Serg Khag 30 July 2022 18: 48
    +10
    The picture that emerges is not very optimistic. The vast majority of the people do not understand the situation with the NWO. Either power-oligarchic intrigues, or there is not enough military potential of the Armed Forces. It is difficult to believe the media, because there are only victorious reports. Kinda tedious.
  34. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 30 July 2022 18: 50
    +8
    Russia will not start anything. Everything she could show, she showed. The grouping that is allocated for the NWO. To build up further is to drive conscripts to slaughter and expose other borders of the Motherland. Or start mobilization. Rock the boat inland. I really hope that one day this war will end on Russia's terms. And everyone who made important decisions on the planning of this SVO at the beginning will be convicted under a full and strict article and sent to Kolyma to procrastinate. For now we are reaping the fruits of mediocrity and mistakes of our intelligence, military analysts, curators of the military-industrial complex, strategists. Our military and civilians in the NVO zone paid for them and are paying with their lives and health now. I hope one day there will be a tribunal for those who prepared the beginning of the NWO and who misled the commander-in-chief about the level of support for Russia in Ukraine, about the level of readiness for war of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and that readiness to support Ukraine with weapons and everything else from NATO. Otherwise, the people and the army will not understand Putin. And support among the people will fall as the NWO drags on. People are already dissatisfied with many things. Shelling, the lack of real strikes on Ukraine and they suspect another deal for the sake of the business elite.
  35. Reader 2013
    Reader 2013 30 July 2022 19: 42
    +5
    Wow, only 5 months, but how all the forum users have changed
  36. LOCKS
    LOCKS 30 July 2022 20: 20
    -7
    To be honest, I've read half of it. There is no further desire or meaning. Previously, something similar was printed on the echo, but at least it was clear what and why, but here .................. (((((((((.
  37. Veter5757
    Veter5757 30 July 2022 20: 48
    +4
    The ghost of treason hovers over the NWO .....
    All the half-hearted maneuvers and talk of red lines only reinforce this specter. Behind him, they have already forgotten about the original goals of the NWO.
  38. soloist2424
    soloist2424 30 July 2022 20: 53
    0
    We do not know the true state of affairs. Decisions are made by management based on many factors. Russia needs to win the war so that no one uses nuclear weapons, so that the Russian economy does not overstrain, so as not to turn Ukraine into a lunar desert, and so on. Many cite the example of the Second World War - that's how it was! So now, unlike that time, the first strike was not overslept, their territory was not given up. I can say: until the song "Get Up, Huge Country" is heard, the situation is not as bad as many people think. Thank God that they manage without mass mobilization, rations and thousands of coffins every day. Of course, I would like to finish everything as soon as possible, but what to do. After the war, we will find out what mistakes were made by us and the enemies.
  39. Dimy4
    Dimy4 30 July 2022 21: 10
    +3
    Yes, red lines. Something like this: "If you 9 times @ # gasp my wife, then I'll definitely beat your face" Will anyone have respect for such a chmyry? The question is rhetorical.
  40. Freelancer7
    Freelancer7 30 July 2022 21: 46
    -3
    You can gather people into a huge club. Losses will be like in the Second World War - you will have to go to the breach, to mines, to close combat, the rear will not have time to deliver ammunition, food, fuel. The economy of the Russian Federation will rise. How many people are on the budget? Overdofiga. There will be no export - the gas was blocked. Here, if the cudgel does not work in 1-2 months, then the protracted nature will play into the hands of the United States. We will really run out of money and everything will plunge into chaos like in the 90s. This is a bad turn of events. By the way, now Ukraine has a default on its nose. What will happen tomorrow if they do not throw money - it will be clearly visible. Mobilization is not an option. Now the military is doing their job, the civilians are doing theirs. Slowly but surely we are moving forward, learning, improving, developing new tactics. The economy works, salaries are paid, there is inflation, but you can survive.
  41. YarSer88
    YarSer88 30 July 2022 22: 12
    -1
    Gentlemen, in order to analyze something, we need high-quality initial information. You have it from the media, what can you even analyze here? We move slowly because we have to. Who needs it and why is none of our business. We are not even spectators here, we are allowed to peep through the crack.
  42. Moneron
    Moneron 30 July 2022 22: 29
    +9
    I have to read the same "obsos" of a painful topic all the time. everyone and so everything is clear. and it's not the General Staff of the Russian Federation and not the numerous Russian oligarchs-traitors. the first person of our country "hangs" like a computer .... and does not know what to decide on. I would very much not want to remember the Russian proverb for such an occasion, "Is there a hat for Senka?". With fading hope, we expect cardinal changes in governance both within the country from the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. as well as in the theater of war. ..the time of theatrical meaningful pauses in Stanislav's way has passed - we are waiting for concrete actions.
  43. Sedoy
    Sedoy 30 July 2022 23: 17
    +6
    So the government risks losing contact with the population

    she deeply imposes on the "population" ...
    she has her own "gesheft" there, which is why everything is being done to "divert" the attention of the people from her ...
    from all irons they tell him that everything is OK, according to the plan, everything is in the troops, they try not to reflect the shelling of our territory even in the news ...
    as if saying to the people - this is not yours, but ours ...
    the tops really don't like the growing self-awareness of the roots...
    for them it is more dangerous than any NATO ...
  44. Sedoy
    Sedoy 30 July 2022 23: 23
    +3
    The political scientist may be harsh, but there is a problem

    this political scientist suffered a courtier ...

  45. Sedoy
    Sedoy 30 July 2022 23: 28
    +5
    indeed, now in the Donbass it is “grinding” and the most combat-ready part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has already failed

    there the conscription meat is ground...
    the most combat-ready part - they are sitting in the west and in the kuiva area ...
    they were removed from the east a long time ago ...
    it's time to collect at least some information before sculpting something ...
    "And God save you, don't read Russian experts before lunch"...
  46. iouris
    iouris 30 July 2022 23: 30
    -5
    This is a question for someone who is not afraid of you, not Russia.
  47. silver_roman
    silver_roman 30 July 2022 23: 32
    +8
    Of all the theses in the article, there is not a single one that would at least somehow positively characterize the Russian leadership. I generally keep quiet about the Russian elites. In general, they differ little from the Western cluster of capitalists. I'm sure they don't even come close to associating themselves with the country. Just business. So, you can talk about red lines as much as you like, put forward concepts, fantasize about various reasons, but what is happening inside the Russian Federation is extremely disappointing.
  48. Sedoy
    Sedoy 30 July 2022 23: 34
    +4
    the interests of other foreign investors may be involved there.
    ... such a proposal was made by the Deputy Minister of Finance of Canada, Chrystia Freeland, after a preliminary discussion (!) Of her idea with the "Russian oligarchs".


    don’t go to a fortuneteller here - the loot and our oligarchs are involved ...
  49. Sedoy
    Sedoy 30 July 2022 23: 56
    +5
    Yes, we won a really huge victory - they took Mariupol

    well they got it...
    they took Popasnaya in the same way ...
    you have seen them - everything is turned into a lunar landscape...
    one could also take Kharkov and Kyiv ...
    it can be argued that the rest of the cities for which the dill will catch on will look like this - you can’t take them without leveling them ...
    Only those that they themselves will leave intact will remain intact ...
    and all because the Kremlin does nothing with the west of the ukrostan ...
    where free supplies of everything and everything come from ...
    Cui bono? Cui prodest? - Cassian Longin Ravilla - Who benefits from it
  50. Sedoy
    Sedoy 31 July 2022 00: 01
    -1
    We do not yet have goals for the restoration of the empire, although the course of history pushes us in this direction.

    where does it come from... :)
    the guarantor himself said, bringing Peter I, that we were collecting our own ...