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Operational pause threatens to develop into a positional impasse

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The operational pause in the actions of the allied forces in Ukraine is being delayed: despite recent statements about the increase in the actions of groups in all operational areas in Ukraine, no changes have been observed so far, no serious offensive operations of the RF Armed Forces and the NM LDNR are being carried out. The current situation on the Ukrainian front is increasingly beginning to resemble the situation on the Western Front in 1915-1916, that is, a "war of attrition."

Why does the operational pause threaten to develop into a positional impasse? Let's try to answer this question.

Results of the first and second stages of the SVO


If we talk about the first stage of the special military operation in Ukraine, then we can state that it ended not entirely successfully, despite the bravura statements of politicians about its successful completion. And this is not only my opinion - the well-known Russian political scientist Sergei Markov, for example, adheres to the same view of the situation.

“The first stage of the NMD in Ukraine was that the Russian army made a breakthrough in key areas and approached large cities - Kyiv, Kharkov, Chernigov, Poltava, Nikolaev, Kherson. It was assumed that the fights that broke out in these cities would lead to the collapse of the system of state power in Ukraine, a power vacuum would be created that would be filled by former Ukrainian politicians who were forced to leave for Russia after 2014, like Oleg Tsarev, by repressed Ukrainian politicians like people from the team of Viktor Medvedchuk, unprincipled people from Zelensky's team who have gone over to the side of the new government, and generals, security officials. However, the first stage was unsuccessful, it was completed only by twenty percent - it was possible to reach large cities and even take Kherson. But the collapse of the Ukrainian state power did not happen - it continued its functioning, the security forces remained loyal to the Kyiv regime. Moreover, the groups of Russian special forces that were moving forward with a jerk found themselves under severe flank attacks and suffered significant losses, ”

- notes Sergei Markov.

The general mobilization in the LPR and DPR, which, as I have repeatedly noted in previous materials, included teachers, students, miners, etc., was carried out primarily in order to tie down the main forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass so that the enemy does not transfer them to Kyiv. However, the goals were not achieved. Therefore, the priorities of the NWO have changed somewhat, and politicians, instead of demilitarizing and denazifying Ukraine, started talking about the liberation of Donbass as a priority goal.

Actually, the second stage of the military operation (which, as some experts rightly point out, after the failure of the first stage, in fact, grew into a real war) took place under this slogan. However, despite the liberation of the entire territory of the LPR and the achievement of tactical successes, it was not possible to defeat the main forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass. Moreover, the enemy continues to subject the DPR to regular shelling, especially Donetsk and Gorlovka, because the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as before, are actually located on the outskirts of the city.

The tactics of the RF Armed Forces consisted in advancing through the enemy's fortified areas by creating a "barrage of fire", concentrating a large amount of artillery on a narrow sector of the front, and advancing after mass artillery preparation. The curators of Ukraine from the United States and Britain responded to this with the supply of the Armed Forces of the MLRS HIMARS, which began to inflict painful blows on ammunition depots and supply bases in order to deprive the RF Armed Forces of this advantage. And partly they managed to achieve their goal.

Why are allied forces facing a positional stalemate?


Russia is trying to wage war with less manpower than Ukraine and counting on an advantage in artillery. Approximately the same tactics were used by the German General Erich von Falkenhayn on the Western Front during the First World War, which I recently wrote about in my material “Erich von Falkenhayn and his strategy of war with limited forces with a decisive goal”, who is interested, can read. I can only emphasize that this tactic did not lead to anything good for the German army.

Trying to "grind" the Ukrainian army and take it to starvation, you can fall into a trap, because "grinding" is always mutual. Actually, already now the situation is such that it is very problematic to conduct offensive operations of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the NM LDNR due to the lack of infantry.

This is also noted by FSB colonel in reserve Igor Strelkov, who writes that “on our side of the front, we, alas, have almost nothing to attack with. In every way". You can attribute this to the colonel's pessimism (although, as practice shows, his forecasts often have a habit of coming true), but we really see that the allied forces are no longer carrying out any offensive actions. The capture of Seversk, which has already been announced twice, is being delayed, due to the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not retreating from there, but, on the contrary, are pulling up reserves and strengthening their positions.

Political scientist Sergei Markov, who takes a rather balanced approach to forecasts regarding the military operation in Ukraine, is not sure about the assertions of some experts that the military potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been undermined, and the front will soon crumble.

“There are two positions, one is that the personnel potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is largely undermined, and Ukraine is forced to throw poorly trained reservists into battle. The second point of view is that the newly mobilized reservists are thrown onto the battlefield in order, on the contrary, to preserve the regular army of Ukraine, which is mainly located in the west, where it is being re-equipped with western weapons and retraining. And the purpose of this is to prepare a counteroffensive around August-September, after the significant exhaustion of the Russian army in bloody battles. Then supposedly there will be one or two counterattacks by the Ukrainian army, equipped with the latest Western weapons systems, with the support of Western PMCs.”

The second option, which Markov speaks of, is quite probable. Relying only on the advantage in artillery, having a smaller number of infantry than the Armed Forces of Ukraine, is extremely dangerous. For a while, this may work, but sooner or later a situation will arise when it becomes simply impossible to attack with such forces. De facto, it has already arisen. The United States, Great Britain and their allies are supplying Kyiv with as much weapons as it needs to ensure that the RF Armed Forces cannot conduct serious offensive operations without mobilization.

There is an opinion that Russia is capable of achieving victory without mobilizing and transferring industry to a military footing, but it cannot withstand a collision with reality. So far, the allied forces cannot even liberate the Donbass, and the military conflict is close to a “hot freeze”. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, in turn, are preparing for counterattacks, under the supervision of Western "partners". Even if we assume that all of them will be successfully repulsed, with the current alignment of forces, the war may finally take on the character of a positional one, and the front line will stabilize in the current configuration.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 28 July 2022 07: 23
    -24
    Operational pause threatens to develop into a positional impasse
    Are you hinting at PMV? There were equal forces with equal power in general. The power of Ukraine is not equal to the power of Russia. request
    1. Civil
      Civil 28 July 2022 07: 41
      +4
      The tactics of the RF Armed Forces consisted in advancing through the enemy's fortified areas by creating a "barrage of fire", concentrating a large amount of artillery on a narrow sector of the front, and advancing after mass artillery preparation.

      They write in carts that the operational pause is over, ours went on the offensive in this format. And the enemy did not dare.
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 28 July 2022 10: 15
        -3
        The operational pause (at least at the level of decisions) ended two weeks ago, on July 16, when Shoigu "gave the necessary instructions to further increase the actions of groups in all operational areas" (https://tvzvezda.ru/news/2022716943-W2lBc .html)
        1. cmax
          cmax 28 July 2022 15: 39
          +25
          Quote: military_cat
          when Shoigu "gave the necessary instructions to further increase the actions of groups in all operational areas"

          Shoigu gave the order, but who carried it out! Donetsk under fire.
        2. Eroma
          Eroma 28 July 2022 17: 55
          -4
          Most analysts write that the first stage failed because the plan was: "support the coup d'état in Kyiv"! what where does this opinion come from? I think from Kyiv! Because then they won the first stage! lol
          The conduct of each person is subject to his habits and some kind of internal rule, in any situation!
          Support for a coup d'état, especially without clear signs of its success, is a gamble in its purest form fool politicians are capable of adventurous acts, for them this is the norm! But the military does not get involved in adventures, they have a task, a plan of action is developed, forces are calculated, and if everything converges, they act, otherwise death belay
          Putin, after all, is a KGB officer, that is, a military man, and not a politician, adventurism is not visible in all his affairs, calculation is everywhere! bully situation in Ukraine, the helm of the military! Why all of a sudden, these people had to get involved in an adventure? fool
          The author writes that the forces of the LDNR were supposed to tie up the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass, so that the RA would take Kyiv, but the advancing forces were not enough to take Kyiv! I agree with another point of view: the RA made a rush to Kyiv and from the Crimea in order to tie up the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and prevent them from being sent to the Donbass, while the forces of the LDNR are attacking with the support of the Aerospace Forces and other forces of the RA! This is much more logical and this is exactly the scenario that was realized. While we were trampling around Kyiv, Mariupol was surrounded and the Armed Forces of Ukraine were almost pushed out of the LPR! Having achieved some results in bleeding the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a regrouping was carried out.
          In fact, the parity of forces is not observed until the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not demonstrate anything intelligible during the second stage of the NWO, they still do not have tactics with which they can impose their own rules of warfare, while they simply die holding on to settlements and that's it! when their reserve ends, the settlement passes under the control of the allied forces! laughing
          1. cytadell
            cytadell 28 July 2022 21: 44
            -3
            I agree with you on almost everything. That's just with regards to the parity of forces - the answer is not unambiguous, because from your first reasoning it follows that the number of troops of the RA is calculated by the military, and this is logical. What cannot be said about the number of dill troops, there are natural restrictions (compare at least the population). But why this parity is maintained in such ratios is a question for reflection. Apparently, a certain intensity of the course of this company is needed. All cleared ;)
            1. Eroma
              Eroma 28 July 2022 22: 33
              +1
              World War I is a war of artillery and machine guns (infantry already in WWI could not overcome the front under artillery and machine gun fire), World War II of engines, tanks and aircraft broke the front at a time angry the end of the 20th century, this is a war of precision weapons. In the NMD, Russia has all the elements of the wars of the 20th century and in all elements it has superiority over the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have only a numerical advantage in the infantry, and this force did not solve anything already in WWI lol
              1. Sedoy
                Sedoy 4 August 2022 01: 47
                -2
                In the NMD, Russia has all the elements of the wars of the 20th century and in all elements it has superiority over the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have only a numerical advantage in infantry

                Well, tell me how this superiority manifests itself ... :)
                aviation - consider it not, the air defense of the dill "planted" it on the ground, the front-line flies and "works" from a pitch-up ... :)
                art - here, apart from the number of trunks, there is nothing special to brag about, but Donetsk and our warehouses, dill wet from the heart ...
                they haven’t been able to clean up Avdiivka for the fifth month, they couldn’t take it into the cauldron - there is no infantry, now they’ve gone “into the front” again, it seems like there’s even movement, though they don’t voice the price ...
                tanks - has anyone heard about tank breakthroughs in all these 5 months? there were none, because again - no infantry
                and the presence of modern "manual" anti-tank missiles in dill nullifies any tank attack without cover ...
                so, brother, without infantry, all your advantage is an empty phrase ...
                why do you think the shooters are yelling around about mobilization - infantry is needed ...
                they couldn’t destroy the Ukropov air defense - bombers don’t fly - they don’t wet Avdiivka, and you won’t get much artillery there - one fab 250-500 bomb is dozens of shells, in terms of power ...
                etc. etc.
                1. Eroma
                  Eroma 5 August 2022 17: 10
                  -1
                  Summarized: superiority is expressed in the inability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to organize attacking actions! The allied forces have the initiative, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine can only shoot back, sometimes successfully repeat at the same time, their luck was based on the novelty of the Hymers, as soon as ours understood what was happening, the high-profile successes on military facilities ended, so they switched to civilian facilities negative
                  About the power of the air defense of the great ukrov laughing several hundred sorties a day, it doesn’t look like “air defense aviation landed” at all! Give everyone a video of the Su34 over Kyiv and Odessa as evidence of the destruction of air defense, otherwise the fact that fighters over enemy territory are shot down by their aircraft (Migi and Su-27) is not taken into account belay
                  There really are no tank breakthroughs due to the lack of infantry. But the first stage showed that they are possible if there are enough forces, primarily to cover the rear and flanks! Not some Javelins, etc. prodigies are not able to stop a properly organized tank breakthrough, our columns traveled tens of kilometers a day and nothing prevented them tongue
                  Avdiivka is taken, as I know, not on the forehead, but from the flank what but still biting into the defense precisely because of the lack of infantry to bypass the Fortified area repeat but the Armed Forces of Ukraine are kept there only by concrete and meat, they are not able to prevent the loss of fortification, as soon as the artillery of the Russian Federation mixes meat with concrete, the fortification will fall. This is also proof of the complete superiority of the Russian army in the Armed Forces of Ukraine wink
          2. zenion
            zenion 29 July 2022 17: 59
            0
            So it was not the army that fired at the White House in Moscow.
          3. My doctor
            My doctor 29 July 2022 20: 21
            +2
            Quote: Eroma
            The RA made a rush to Kyiv and from the Crimea in order to tie up the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and prevent them from being sent to the Donbass, while the forces of the LDNR are advancing with the support of the Aerospace Forces and other forces of the RA! This is much more logical and this is exactly the scenario that was realized. While we were trampling around Kyiv, Mariupol was surrounded and the Armed Forces of Ukraine were almost pushed out of the LPR! Having achieved some results in bleeding the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a regrouping was carried out.

            Do you consider those who planned the NWO to be moral freaks who, in order to divert attention from the LPR, framed the Russian fighters on the march for slaughter? Either d-l or troll, saying that the casualties among the special forces and paratroopers were planned. This is in order to have something to do APU drove Russian convoys into ambushes. And of course, so that the blood of the citizens would boil from vidos with atrocities against prisoners of war, roadblocks were set up.
            1. Eroma
              Eroma 29 July 2022 23: 41
              +1
              In your opinion, what was the march to Kyiv for? repeat what is the end result? laughing RA left the north of Ukraine, why? And then how to explain the losses?
              1. My doctor
                My doctor 30 July 2022 13: 12
                +2
                most likely there was a miscalculation in assessing the mood of the Ukrainians.
                1. Eroma
                  Eroma 30 July 2022 19: 05
                  +3
                  The military does not plan operations based on non-mathematical factors! fool military operations are mathematical models with the dynamics of events! "The calculated 2 divisions are ways to defeat the calculated 1 division in 3 days, the enemy's reserve can approach in 2 days, which means there are not enough forces, you need to detain the enemy for a day, which means you need to land an airborne brigade on the way of the reserve!" No one will count on the fact that the enemy will surrender, although this can happen on the first day of the fighting and the landing can then be canceled
                  1. My doctor
                    My doctor 30 July 2022 23: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: Eroma
                    mathematical factors! fool

                    You correctly noted, indeed the phrase "mathematical factors" is fool
                    Quote: Eroma
                    "The calculated 2 divisions are ways to defeat the calculated 1 division in 3 days, the enemy's reserve can approach in 2 days, which means there are not enough forces, you need to detain the enemy for a day, which means you need to land an airborne brigade on the way of the reserve!"

                    What are you talking about? What then were the battles on the line of contact between the LDNR and Ukraine? Where did you need to delay the reserve?
                    Quote: Eroma
                    No one will count on the fact that the enemy will surrender,

                    there is such a pronoun - NOBODY, and why is there a soft sign in the word?
                    I will not argue, if you are an adherent of the flat earth, conspiracy theories, etc., this is your own business.
                    1. Eroma
                      Eroma 30 July 2022 23: 48
                      0
                      And all sorts of conspiracy theories, etc.? You pointed out that the command of the Russian Federation planned a military company based on the support of the local population, which was supposed to give the "keys to the cities", but this did not happen, which is a miscalculation of the command! sad
                      Your opinion is wrong and it supports the position of Kyiv that they survived and thwarted Putin's original plan, which means they can continue to count on success! laughing
                      Only the Armed Forces of Ukraine could throw off Zelya, but it was the Armed Forces of Ukraine that in 2014 sabotaged the support of Yanukovych and took the side of the Maidan, and then a lustration was carried out with the introduction of nationalists into command! Therefore, it was foolish to count on the support of the Armed Forces of Ukraine! Didn't count on it negative
                      1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                        Vasilyevich Pensioner 6 August 2022 09: 46
                        0
                        Nowhere did I read that the population was going to give the keys. In addition, the military could not count on this. T / c the population does not protect the city, and the "defenders" have other moods.
                        About survived Kyiv. Has anyone tried to take it? The fear of capture was created in order to keep significant forces from Kyiv, which allowed the LPR to be cleaned up. Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are so thinned out that in order to support them, other facilities need to be seriously exposed, which is no longer acceptable for Kyiv.
                      2. Eroma
                        Eroma 6 August 2022 11: 05
                        -1
                        I proved the same to the person drinks
          4. alexmach
            alexmach 30 July 2022 10: 54
            +2
            I agree with another point of view: the RA made a rush to Kyiv and from the Crimea in order to tie up the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and prevent them from being sent to the Donbass, while the forces of the LDNR are attacking with the support of the Aerospace Forces and other forces of the RA!

            Well, if only this offensive was really carried out in the Donbas. The front stood there for the first 2 months.
            Why all of a sudden, these people had to get involved in an adventure?

            Getting involved, not getting involved, and not achieving the goals of the first phase and disorderly actions during it, they seem to be obvious.
            1. Eroma
              Eroma 30 July 2022 19: 30
              -1
              "failure to achieve the goals of the first phase and disorderly actions during it, they are, as it were, evident.": What do you mean? Kyiv not taken? laughing
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 30 July 2022 22: 29
                +1
                Well, what do you think, did they take it?
                1. Eroma
                  Eroma 31 July 2022 00: 00
                  -2
                  Yes, no one was going to take Kyiv, there were no forces for this! They couldn’t normally cover the rear, but you are talking about the assault on a city of 5 million people. Throw near Kyiv fettered all the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in central and Western Ukraine. The capture of Kherson and the throw near Nikolaev fettered all the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the south of Ukraine. This disorganized the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which allowed the forces of the LDNR to go on the attack and move the Armed Forces of Ukraine in eastern Ukraine. soldier
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 31 July 2022 17: 15
                    +4
                    Yes, no one was going to take Kyiv, there were no forces for this! The rear could not normally cover

                    Well, that's what I'm talking about, only in a different place.
                    and disorderly actions during it

                    The meaning of the landing in Gostomel? The meaning of the fighting in Irpen and Bucha if they were not going to take Kyiv?
                    The throw near Kyiv fettered all the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in central and Western Ukraine

                    Uh-huh, let's say forged, and then what? And then their operational pause, a month long, took and unchained.
                    This disorganized the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which allowed the forces of the LDNR to go on the attack.

                    I'm sorry, but what other attack? Where and what did they move then? Mariupol, perhaps.
                    1. yaglon
                      yaglon 1 August 2022 20: 11
                      +1
                      I agree that insignificant forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were shackled near Kyiv. The main forces remained with the front to the east in the Donbass and did not begin to retreat, which, apparently, the Russian command was counting on. This allowed the Armed Forces of Ukraine to achieve some success - to transfer the mobile stage of the struggle to the positional one. The complete withdrawal of Russian troops in the north is generally inexplicable from a logical point of view - after all, not even one small bridgehead was left, the capture of which cost significant efforts and considerable losses.
          5. Awaz
            Awaz 31 July 2022 13: 07
            +2
            yes, it is obvious, even to couch observers, that the plan was simple: an attempt to make a boiler for the main forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass, with a simultaneous attempt at a coup d'état in Kyiv. The landing force was sent there to create a bridgehead for the landing of larger forces and that these forces would support the coup in Kyiv. But the introduction of troops along the entire length of the borders of the Russian Federation and Ukraine was just so that the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass could not receive reinforcements. Unfortunately, nothing really happened. Few forces were involved, moreover, it is clearly visible that they did not particularly intend to enter far into the territory of Ukraine from the Crimea or other border areas in the hope that power in Kyiv would fall and everything would end there. But everything did not go according to plan, and even vice versa. The reason was that the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the authorities of Ukraine knew everything and were preparing, as well as the complete unpreparedness of the Russian troops for war and a mess and completely inadequate leadership of the operation. More or less the successes of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are primarily associated with the courage and skills of limited units of the Armed Forces and allies, as well as the mess that exists in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Therefore, the first stage can definitely be considered a failure, and the second one is still dragging on with an unknown end, because the Armed Forces of Ukraine are leaning into outright terrorism, but the Russian authorities do not have enough balls to admit this.
            1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
              Vasilyevich Pensioner 6 August 2022 09: 50
              0
              Yes, no prerequisites for a coup in Kyiv were observed from the word at all.
              1. Awaz
                Awaz 6 August 2022 22: 22
                0
                Well, I agree that it was not observed and it was visible to everyone, except for those who started this war in the Kremlin .. It's just very difficult to explain what is happening, if you do not assume that the Kremlin was hoping for a coup.
                1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                  Vasilyevich Pensioner 7 August 2022 07: 19
                  0
                  T / e assumption, or rather the data obtained by the Donbass that a strike on the republics is planned - is it a weak reason for starting an NWO? It is better, as some say, not to prevent the 1941 version of the year, but to repeat it, with all the consequences. So that the guilty of the beginning were not us (as in 2008), but they. And at what cost - it does not matter.
                  1. Awaz
                    Awaz 7 August 2022 10: 21
                    0
                    well, yes, if you prepare for an enemy strike, as it was at 41 and throughout the war in the Donbass, when the Russian authorities chewed snot all the time and didn’t really do anything and didn’t even inflict an adequate response to the enemy precisely with the goal of not provoking, then yes - an attack APU would be fatal. But in general, if they had prepared and, after the attack, delivered a powerful crushing blow by all means and forces, the events could have ended long ago in victory without serious casualties and destruction ..
                    1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                      Vasilyevich Pensioner 7 August 2022 10: 36
                      0
                      After the attack? Without serious casualties and destruction? This is where the Armed Forces of Ukraine would attack, so that there would be no serious casualties and destruction? They didn't answer about it. Actually, the RF Armed Forces had not participated before, they could not answer, so there was nothing to chew
                      1. Awaz
                        Awaz 7 August 2022 13: 08
                        0
                        holy innocence. And now there are no victims? They talk about Donetsk and all the frontline towns and villages every day, and there is no end to this, and this will continue for a long time and stubbornly. A well-prepared and competent defense would have strangled the impulse of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the first second day, and everything would have died out long ago. Attacking is much more difficult than defending. So there is no need to think about the victims here. There could really be fewer of them, with well-thought-out tactics
                      2. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                        Vasilyevich Pensioner 7 August 2022 13: 22
                        0
                        Holy naivete, you forgot about a little subtlety. At the beginning of the SVO, strikes were made and, therefore, the combat potential was reduced significantly. And if this were not done, then what was not destroyed would cause significant damage. As for strangling the impulse of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And then what would happen? Just continued to stand in the same positions as before 2022? So there is no need to invent your own options, sitting at the computer screen is easy to resolve situations. Here are just situations that ordinary amateurs do not obey.
                      3. Awaz
                        Awaz 7 August 2022 15: 36
                        0
                        right now it's useless to wave your fists, but there is the logic of military art. But, at the beginning, no strikes were made on the equipment and personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. All blows were by and large frightened. And because of this, they suffered huge losses when everything really started ... Based on the complete failure of the first stage of the operation, the option with preventive defense no longer looks idiotic. You have every right to jump and support those who messed up. It's not forbidden for us.
                      4. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                        Vasilyevich Pensioner 7 August 2022 15: 44
                        0
                        Yes, I agree, it’s not forbidden here, and therefore you jump briskly, supporting those for whom everything goes wrong and everything needed to be different. And they suffered losses not when it really started, but at the beginning, not wanting to kill the erring ones. And the lost ones are under the supervision of Maidan machine guns. That's why we revised the strategy. About preventive defense. In 2014, Donbass tried to defend itself in this way, but the Maidan people do not understand this.
                      5. Awaz
                        Awaz 7 August 2022 16: 40
                        0
                        defense should be active and not passive, as it was in the spring at 41 or 8 years old in the Donbass: God forbid, provoke enemies, this is not the right tactic. Such tactics lead to disasters.
                      6. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                        Vasilyevich Pensioner 7 August 2022 16: 50
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                        Defense does not provide for the destruction of the enemy, at least in any form of activity. About not provoking. Here you need to know all the subtleties, maybe not everything was ready to take decisive action. For a simple layman, this knowledge is not available from the word at all. And when the opportunity came and they learned that an attack was being prepared, they decided not to repeat the defense of 1941. This allowed us to avoid unnecessary casualties.
                      7. Awaz
                        Awaz 7 August 2022 22: 16
                        -1
                        war is a reasonable alternation of defense and offensive. THIS leads to success In our case, just a mess
                      8. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                        Vasilyevich Pensioner 8 August 2022 07: 53
                        0
                        war is a reasonable alternation of defense and offensive.

                        It’s just that in your concept you need to swap actions, and then, as practice has shown, success comes. In your version, a repeat of 1941, with grave consequences. About the mess and success. If the cleansing of the LPR is not a success, then your opinion and the opinion of those living there are the opposite. Maybe it's better to give an assessment to those who are there, directly in the thick of things?
                      9. Awaz
                        Awaz 9 August 2022 14: 37
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                        in my version, 41 should not have been repeated if the line of defense had been prepared and set up correctly. In 41, there really was no line of defense, and at first, no one was holding back the German offensive except for the border guards. Separate units, which, contrary to orders, prepared in advance or simply managed to prepare positions because they were not attacked on 22 in the morning, could well defend themselves, but these were focal attempts to resist, since the entire front line was completely absent, as well as logistics and communications did not work and everything else . HERE we also see the same thing, the same thing is repeated one to one. The only thing was that they struck first, but it turned out to be completely unprepared, led to colossal problems, which we are still disentangling.
                        Moreover, let me remind you that until recently in the Donbass, they didn’t really prepare for the war, well, that is, they prepared on paper reports. And it’s understandable that if, on the basis of these reports, they tried to take the first blow, most likely, everything would end badly. But judging by the fact that it was not good everywhere, at least it would be possible to justify the introduction of Russian troops with protection from attack and somehow more or less legalize assistance.
                      10. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                        Vasilyevich Pensioner 9 August 2022 15: 22
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                        Your version is just a repetition of 1941, no matter how you prepare for it, the first strike always adds a percentage to success. So your option is without options, at least get ready. As for not preparing for the war in the Donbass. You are somehow inattentive, I reported this earlier, and the beginning of the SVO was spontaneous, ahead of the curve. What gave the result. The Armed Forces of Ukraine could not carry out their plans, but suffered constant losses / defeats. Which is confirmed by the fact of the cleansing of the LPR. About more or less legalized assistance. No more or less. The republics recognized that there was an agreement on assistance, intelligence about the upcoming attack was received - the actions to enter are legal / legitimate.
                      11. Awaz
                        Awaz 12 August 2022 20: 39
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                        Well, if the blow was prepared and carried out correctly, maybe yes. But an illiterate meat grinder with huge casualties showed that it would be better to first fight back and then attack the exhausted enemy. there would be more benefits, but there are definitely fewer victims
                      12. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                        Vasilyevich Pensioner 13 August 2022 07: 13
                        0
                        It's one thing to fight off 10 fire weapons (example), it's another thing to deliver a preemptive strike and receive a fire strike from 2 firing points. About the dead. You are inattentive, the reasons were reported and these reasons were subsequently taken into account. Even among the militia, losses have decreased many times over, with the loss of 2-3 people, the Maidanists lose tens and hundreds of servicemen. The strategy we have chosen brings unambiguously huge benefits.
                      13. Awaz
                        Awaz 13 August 2022 15: 42
                        0
                        Kindergarten by God. Have you seen how the RF Armed Forces started the SVO? How many people and equipment were laid down just like that, without even serious retaliatory damage to the enemy. . When you know the approximate plans of the enemy, his performance characteristics, it is still much easier to defend against even 10 weapons if you plan to destroy them correctly. Unfortunately, nothing was destroyed at the first stage. The same aviation, now, according to the reports of the Ministry of Defense, the initial amount of equipment is being destroyed for the second time, we will soon go to the third round ..
                        And if you heard the plans of the Supreme Command of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, at the initial stage they were not going to destroy anyone and nothing, they were only substituted in all respects.
                      14. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                        Vasilyevich Pensioner 13 August 2022 16: 08
                        0
                        Solid manger, but have you seen anything? You also don’t seem to know that before the start of the NMD, many strikes were carried out on various objects, which made it impossible for the enemy to launch a retaliatory offensive, which the Armed Forces of Ukraine had planned. T / e was dealt tangible damage, from which they never recovered, if nowhere they could make at least the appearance of an offensive. As for destroying the equipment in the second round. So you don’t know that the entire former social / camp actively supplies what was in Soviet times? As for the plans to destroy no one and nothing. Looks like you didn't listen carefully enough. They were going not to destroy social facilities and the population, they also wanted to spare the military personnel. And about the rest there were no promises. About framed. Complete nonsense. It’s impossible to calculate everything, you can’t get into the brain of the opposite side. After understanding the behavior of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it was changed in the conduct of hostilities, which gave a result. It looks like you are upset by our successes, you, like Zelensky and his broadcasters, are trying to turn everything inside out. But reality contradicts you.
                      15. Awaz
                        Awaz 13 August 2022 18: 14
                        0
                        once again I say that trust the TV less.
                        And I wrote my predictions, which came true by 90 percent, in late February, early March. You can read my posts of those days at your leisure. And now I don't wang, because my words will come true again. And I don't want that. And although the Ministry of Defense seems to be trying, but the mess and illiteracy in the supreme authorities still have not gone away. Everything rests only on the courage of the fighters on the front line and also partly because of the mess in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
                        and I remember very well what the authorities and their entourage said in the first days, then a week later, then a month later. changed as best they could.
                        Think with your head and do not rewrite any garbage from the TV. I would have sent those from the TV to the front a long time ago in Avdeevka to storm the trenches of the Armed Forces without armored personnel carriers and in Soviet helmets ...
                      16. Vasilyevich Pensioner
                        Vasilyevich Pensioner 13 August 2022 18: 47
                        0
                        Once again, you cannot speak. And I don’t watch TV, but video from the scene, which does not agree with your comments. As for changing shoes, as best they could. In general, no promises and specific plans, except for the main task, were reported. So you need to strain in understanding reality and not rewrite the fantasies of the great ukrov and their masters with minions. As for being sent to the front. I am different - it's good that people like you do not have the opportunity to either influence or manage events in the current situation. A lot of wood would have been broken.
        3. danil23518
          danil23518 5 August 2022 14: 39
          -2
          In the best traditions of Vova's friend, he gave instructions, but the fact that there is no one and nothing to do does not bother anyone.
    2. anclevalico
      anclevalico 28 July 2022 07: 47
      +30
      Specifically, in the theater of operations, in fact, parity. Which the Russian Federation can change, but does not, for unknown reasons. And I'm not talking about mobilization ...
      1. Andy_Ha
        Andy_Ha 29 July 2022 09: 02
        +4
        I think the reasons are in the economy. It's too early. We need to hold the situation until winter. Create a real crisis in Europe.
      2. Zug
        Zug 31 July 2022 11: 55
        0
        Why are the reasons not clear? They are clear as daylight.
    3. Dante Alighieri
      Dante Alighieri 28 July 2022 08: 44
      +28
      The power of Ukraine is not equal to the power of Russia.

      You may not be aware, but for several months now a paradigm has been spreading in the media space that we are fighting not with Ukraine and its troops, but with the collective West, which has become the personification of Satan himself. Do you really doubt the capabilities of the "prince of darkness" too?
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 28 July 2022 09: 00
        -18
        Quote: Dante
        You may not be aware, but for several months now, a paradigm has been spreading in the media space that we are fighting not with Ukraine and its troops, but with the collective West,

        Thank you and I agree. But I strongly doubt the possibilities of Satan-West. For they lowered everything to the sartir, because it was too expensive to maintain the aircraft, and we no longer posed a threat. request
        1. Dante Alighieri
          Dante Alighieri 28 July 2022 09: 07
          +34
          I strongly doubt the capabilities of Satan-West. For they lowered everything into sartir

          Do not underestimate the capabilities of the team))) It is not for nothing that they say that it is easier to beat with a herd and a dad laughing lol
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 28 July 2022 09: 19
            -36
            Quote: Dante
            I strongly doubt the capabilities of Satan-West. For they lowered everything into sartir

            Do not underestimate the capabilities of the team))) It is not for nothing that they say that it is easier to beat with a herd and a dad laughing lol

            But one should not exalt the capabilities of a herd of sheep, and the EU and NATO are sheep who imagine that they can to be Leo. Or do you have a different opinion?
            1. Dante Alighieri
              Dante Alighieri 28 July 2022 09: 39
              +27
              and the EU and NATO are sheep who think they can beat Leo

              Well, by the way, sheep are also different: there are sheep, there are fat-tailed breeds, and there are argali or bighorns. So I would not be deceived by the astrakhan Sher of today's Europeans, if necessary, they quickly recall that they are the descendants of those who defeated the Roman legions in the Teutoburg Forest, and then ruled the continent for 2 millennia. Again, the strength of the herd / team should not be underestimated: a pack of dogs can bully a bear, a herd of barns can trample a lion according to their strength (remember at least Mufasa - Simba's father from the cartoon The Lion King wassat ).
        2. -Paul-
          -Paul- 28 July 2022 15: 28
          +1
          Yes, they let them down, yes, into the toilet, but not all ... The remnants of their former power are enough to give us trouble.
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 28 July 2022 10: 40
        -12
        Quote: Dante
        You may not be aware, but for several months now a paradigm has been spreading in the media space that we are fighting not with Ukraine and its troops, but with the collective West, which has become the personification of Satan himself.
        The "collective West" in itself has no face, and therefore cannot personify anyone. And yet, maybe you don’t know this, but the media space of the West and its satellites (including, of course, Ukraine) has already decided for several years that “this is from the evil empire” and “xy from Mr. Putin”. In this picture, the leader of the collective West is represented by the savior of the world, the Messiah. In this guise, according to Christian eschatology, the False Messiah comes. Biden is not drawn to this role, we are waiting for a successor.
        1. Dante Alighieri
          Dante Alighieri 28 July 2022 10: 58
          +15
          And yet, maybe you don’t know this, but the media space of the West and its satellites (including, of course, Ukraine) has already decided for several years that “this is from the evil empire” and “xy from Mr. Putin”.

          And that the GDP is the personification of Russia? And in general: why should I be interested in Western media?
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 28 July 2022 11: 03
            -9
            Quote: Dante
            And yet, maybe you don’t know this, but the media space of the West and its satellites (including, of course, Ukraine) has already decided for several years that “this is from the evil empire” and “xy from Mr. Putin”.

            And that the GDP is the personification of Russia? And in general: why should I be interested in Western media?
            I am also interested in the Russian media, in which, as you say, this paradigm is being accelerated. Are there any links, or at least the names of those? Perhaps you are confusing it with an Islamic fatwa? This is not a "media space" for you, which disperses something, everything is more serious here.
            1. Dante Alighieri
              Dante Alighieri 28 July 2022 11: 17
              +4
              Are there any links, or at least the names of those?

              Well, I don’t know ... the words of the President of Russia are an authoritative enough source for you? https://tass.ru/politika/15157853

              Or, for example, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mr. Lavrov: https://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2022/05/14/17738936.shtml

              You can still look for the statements of Naryshkin or Matvienko, but I'm too lazy. In general, I advise you to just turn on the TV, I assure you that there is a talk show on almost any federal channel, where presenters or invited guests voice this very "concept"
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 28 July 2022 11: 45
                -15
                You wrote about
                Quote: Dante
                For several months now, a paradigm has been spreading in the media space that we are fighting not with Ukraine and its troops, but with the collective West, which has become the personification of Satan himself.
                In response to a request for a link to this source, do you send me a couple of random links on the request "collective west", in which neither Putin nor Lavrov stutter about any "personification of Satan himself"? I'm wondering if there's a problem with honesty or understanding.
                1. Dante Alighieri
                  Dante Alighieri 28 July 2022 12: 04
                  +14
                  Are you trolling me now or do you just have a very bad sense of humor? What did you get to the bottom of poor Beelzebub? Leave him alone, in his rightful place in the 9th circle of Hell. I cited it solely as an illustration of the well-known expression that no matter how long a person lives (meaning humanity as a whole), he will always imagine himself to be the power of light, and consider his enemies the power of darkness, blaming them for all the misadventures
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 29 July 2022 08: 19
                    -4
                    Quote: Dante
                    What did you get to the bottom of poor Beelzebub? Leave him alone, in his rightful place in the 9th circle of Hell.
                    A few years ago, I saw signs that the West was preparing for a geopolitical production of "Armageddon" in which Putin was destined for the role of Satan. Now I'm tracking my conspiracy hypothesis. You bristled in vain, no one here touches "poor Beelzebub."
          2. Paul Siebert
            Paul Siebert 28 July 2022 14: 22
            +1
            Quote: Dante
            And that the GDP is the personification of Russia? And in general: why should I be interested in Western media?

            I don’t know if Putin is the personification of Russia or not, but Tagged Bear (part of his head) is definitely the personification of the future Ukraine ... wink
            1. Dante Alighieri
              Dante Alighieri 28 July 2022 15: 42
              +1
              Hahahaha, you made my day. Thank you! I would have corrected it a little more, otherwise it turned out to be very elongated, as if Odessa was still in a foreign land. Not good.
      3. Eroma
        Eroma 28 July 2022 17: 14
        -3
        Actually, "God is with us - Victory will be ours!" Did you know about this? soldier
      4. Andy_Ha
        Andy_Ha 29 July 2022 09: 06
        0
        What's with the power? For example, everyone is talking about the fire shaft and the subsequent occupation of the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In all the vidos, the lonely sun burns someone in the forest belt. And if you put ten cars in front of a key point of defense, for example, in Avdiivka? This is not done.
    4. Gardamir
      Gardamir 28 July 2022 09: 14
      0
      The power of Ukraine is not equal to the power of Russia.
      And why are we slowly crawling. Here is another operation to liberate Ukraine
      On August 5, 1943, the cities of Oryol and Belgorod were liberated. And on August 23, Kharkov was liberated. September 5 was then called Dzerzhinsk, and now it is the city of Toretsk, Bakhmut district, Donetsk region. On September 10, Mariupol was liberated. !September 8, the city of Berdyansk. On September 23, Poltava was liberated.
      On October 23, Melitopol was liberated, and on 25 Dnepropetrovsk. And already on November 6, Kyiv is free from the Nazis.
      Here we must not forget that at the same time there were enough forces to liberate the rest of the territory of the Soviet Union.
      It can be considered that on July 27, 1944, the capture of Lvov. the liberation of Ukraine ended.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 28 July 2022 09: 25
        -8
        Quote: Gardamir
        And why are we slowly crawling. Here is another operation to liberate Ukraine

        Because, dear, that in 1943 our population remained under occupation not like today, and the principles of firing were different. And only this. Well, maybe, of course, there is an opinion, to send Ukraine under the snow under the current government, without gas, coal, bread, torn sewers and water pipes. request
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 28 July 2022 09: 53
          +35
          Russian generals cover up their incompetence with concern for the peaceful Ukrainian population. While they take care of peaceful Ukrainians, the population of Donbass, Kherson is dying...
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad 28 July 2022 14: 41
            0
            Quote: Gardamir
            While they take care of peaceful Ukrainians, the population of Donbass, Kherson is dying


            and you would be glad of Russia in their place if, in order to liberate your settlement, the Russian army did not point-wise destroy the Ukrainian army, trying not to hurt the civilian population as much as possible, but stupidly razed your (city, village, village) to the ground along with the Ukrainian army?.
            So why do you think that residents of Serodonetsk, Lisichansk, or finally Avdiivka, for example, would be happy with such a liberation if, in the process of liberation, they themselves were razed to the ground along with the ukrofascists.
          2. Elephant
            Elephant 29 July 2022 16: 05
            0
            Quote: Gardamir
            Russian generals cover up their incompetence with concern for the peaceful Ukrainian population.

            It infuriates me that our generals do not dare to hit the building of the Verkhovna Rada in Kuev during a meeting of the nationalist pro-fascist Ukrainian elite there
            1. My doctor
              My doctor 29 July 2022 20: 33
              0
              Quote: Elephant
              It infuriates me that our generals do not dare to hit the building of the Verkhovna Rada in Kuev during a meeting of the nationalist pro-fascist Ukrainian elite there

              for example. it is possible that, by pure chance, at that moment there will be a couple of hundred pupils of kindergartens on an excursion or some other surprise.
      2. IrbisKot
        IrbisKot 28 July 2022 11: 28
        -1
        We still need to remember about the losses in this operation ...
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 28 July 2022 16: 08
          -5
          Quote: IrbisKot
          We still need to remember about the losses in this operation ...


          those losses that are in comparison with losses that would be insignificant.
          And at the same time, I advise many to remember the goals of the SVO voiced at the beginning of this special operation and understand that the liberation of the DPR and LPR is not the liberation of these territories from the mine population, but the liberation of the civilian population from the Kyiv regime and its armed formations.
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 28 July 2022 19: 27
            +3
            Quote: lopvlad
            those losses that are in comparison with losses that would be insignificant.

            Well, yes, because the losses "that would have been" can be painted in any way, it's still impossible to check. And then their number begins to grow in proportion to the level of intimidation of the consumer of propaganda by hypothetical external threats.
      3. lopvlad
        lopvlad 28 July 2022 14: 25
        0
        Quote: Gardamir
        Here is another operation to liberate Ukraine


        please remind us how many hundreds of thousands of killed Soviet soldiers this very operation cost us then.
        I recommend to everyone who does not like the pace of the operation to raise the fifth point from the sofa and run volunteers to the Donbass, so to speak, to demonstrate by their own example how to fight.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 28 July 2022 14: 39
          +8
          show by example how to fight.
          Can Shoigu be replaced?
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad 28 July 2022 16: 00
            -12
            Quote: Gardamir
            Change Shoigu?


            of course you can, as soon as you create your own ministry like the Ministry of Emergency Situations and show your effectiveness by working as its head for several decades, you can immediately replace
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 28 July 2022 16: 44
              +8
              as soon as you create your ministry like the Ministry of Emergency Situations
              Well, Yeltsin needs it again ...
              In 1990, Shoigu moved to Moscow from Siberia and was appointed Deputy Chairman of the State Committee of the Russian Federation for Architecture and Construction, helped by his father's connections. The future president, Boris Yeltsin, Boris Yeltsin held a similar position on the Construction Committee, and also had an engineering and party education, and in this way Shoigu won Yeltsin's trust.
              1. lopvlad
                lopvlad 29 July 2022 22: 35
                -1
                Quote: Gardamir
                It's Yeltsin again


                I was always struck by the stupidity of people who saw the merit of their mediocre former bosses in the career successes of other people. For example, no matter how much Chubais was promoted in power by giving positions, he would not occupy such a position anywhere, the organization he headed did not achieve success, but the sawing of the dough was everywhere.
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 28 July 2022 19: 17
            -3
            Quote: lopvlad
            please remind us how many hundreds of thousands of killed Soviet soldiers this very operation cost us then.

            Replace one of them.
      4. Andy_Ha
        Andy_Ha 29 July 2022 09: 08
        0
        Well, there were three million soldiers advancing only in Ukraine.
    5. skeptic
      skeptic 28 July 2022 11: 33
      +3
      But the collapse of Ukrainian state power did not happen

      How could this happen, if for the last decade, there has been a global, informational pumping that Ukraine is "over the mustache" is "an outpost of the struggle of the West against Russia." The belief that "The whole world is with us" can be shaken only after the capture of Kyiv. And raising kids in the spirit of the OUN and UPA will spoil a lot of blood, even after taking all of Ukraine.
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      The power of Ukraine is not equal to the power of Russia.

      Too long a delay will lead to a sharp increase in the military-industrial complex of the West, and this "special operation" can accept the worst version of the WWI without "smearing".
      The biggest trouble is that the thieves' godfather, in power and economy, has "its own concept" about Russia, its place or lack of it, in the world.
    6. lthce
      lthce 28 July 2022 16: 44
      +1
      So the war is not Ruin, but NATO
    7. S-Semenov
      S-Semenov 28 July 2022 18: 06
      0
      And the power of Ukraine + the power of the West?
      1. Elephant
        Elephant 29 July 2022 16: 29
        0
        In addition, the situation is further aggravated by the fact that our liberalist elite is working for the hostile West. Here is just one fact - in 2022-23, according to the official forecast of the Central Bank, a total of $ 369 billion should be taken out of Russia (at the current exchange rate, this is more than 22 trillion rubles)
    8. Zug
      Zug 31 July 2022 11: 51
      0
      There is a catastrophic lack of infantry. There is no one to lead, aim, load. An acquaintance was there for 2 months as a volunteer sniper. Now the term is 3 months and sign a contract. He refused and returned home.
  2. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 28 July 2022 07: 24
    +4
    The Reichswehr had approximately the same number of HP at the front as the Entente allies. This is for the author's attention if he appeals to that time
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 28 July 2022 07: 31
      +12
      Quote: dmi.pris
      The Reichswehr had approximately the same number of HP at the front as the allies in the Entente.

      Well, here the author writes that dill has an advantage in numbers, which is even worse. request
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 29 July 2022 22: 39
        -1
        Quote: Prometey
        that dill has an advantage in numbers


        there is one continuous untrained cannon fodder not ready for battle but ready for terrorist shelling of civilians and infrastructure. Everything is according to the precepts of their Bandera ancestors.
        1. Zug
          Zug 31 July 2022 12: 07
          +1
          Oh, scream, they made me laugh. Not ready-made cannon fodder. I read it almost choked on stuffed peppers. An HE tank shell won’t blow you to shreds. Untrained meat. At least don’t tell anyone who THERE was ..
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad 31 July 2022 22: 26
            0
            Quote: Zug
            Go there like my brother, fight a couple of months and you will


            why didn't you go? after all, in your opinion, out of anyone who has never even held a weapon in his hands, in a couple of months they can make a mega-warrior who will fight on equal terms in close combat with professional military units of the regular army.
            And the reality is that in a couple of months you will remain the same cannon fodder only with an exorbitantly inflated ego.
            1. Zug
              Zug 1 August 2022 17: 15
              +1
              I’m saying scream, go there yourself, and you’ll see everything. What are the problems? I have a description of my brother with the seal and signature of the battalion commander. three weeks later, a skeleton .. Yesterday the news came that the second company commander was killed, they sent him a video. Ask for me at the military registration and enlistment office, I’ll go too. the question is whether the dills fight well, the brother answered, they fight well. And their weapons, their support is better, NATO armors will be better, although ours are good. They have a sniper for half a km. From a thermal imager. -you won’t talk much. And a lot of other interesting things ... So go, don’t be too lazy. You will gain impressions. If you return. Out of 11, only 5 of them from greenery returned intact. Three were killed on the spot ... This is how Ukrainians fight with the laity ...
              1. lopvlad
                lopvlad 3 August 2022 01: 40
                0
                Quote: Zug
                I say morbid


                of course, it’s a scream, like all your narrative from the category “I didn’t see Lenin, but I love him.” But even in this hodgepodge of words, you yourself involuntarily confirmed that unfired cannon fodder has no place in the NWO.
                Quote: Zug
                And their weapons, their support is better, NATO armors will be better, although ours are good. They have a sniper hit for half a km. From a thermal imager.
                1. Zug
                  Zug 3 August 2022 06: 43
                  0
                  And what is not clear here? And I responded to your post written on a completely different topic:


                  "there is one continuous untrained cannon fodder, not ready for battle, but ready for terrorist shelling of civilians and infrastructure. Everything is according to the precepts of their Bandera ancestors."


                  That's what you wrote there, like the Ukrainians don't know how to fight, like everything is according to the covenants. Duck fig there, they know how to fight, and not bad.
  3. lucul
    lucul 28 July 2022 07: 26
    -24
    The author reads too much opposition media.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 28 July 2022 09: 22
      +22
      But if you believe the pro-government media, then the Russian troops should already be washing their boots, at least in the waters of the Vistula.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 28 July 2022 09: 42
        -37
        Quote: Gardamir
        But if you believe the pro-government media, then the Russian troops should already be washing their boots, at least in the waters of the Vistula.

        Where to hurry then? There are many rivers Vistula, Oder, Rhine everywhere we wash our boots and do not muddy the water, because they are clean and so.
        1. mojohed2012
          mojohed2012 28 July 2022 12: 05
          +6
          I'm sorry, but in the Russian Armed Forces, boots are no longer part of the fighter's equipment for a long time.
          Let's wash the berets.
          As for the operational pause and trench warfare, this is a burning issue, because. on the one hand, we are quietly advancing there for a month in a row, knocking out the adversary from the fortifications with artillery, but we are advancing, and on the other hand, the refusal to use the entire range of means and forces (air bombs, bringing the forces to the number necessary to conduct an offensive in at least one operational direction but not so sluggishly) leads to the fact that the Armed Forces really rearm in the rear and by X hour they will be given the F-16, F-15 massively + some kind of air defense and Western tanks, although there is still silence about them - then we will see a wave of offensive and not the fact that it will be Kherson. This may be the Minsk direction, so that we have to pull apart.
          They will add Transnistria.
          1. Andy_Ha
            Andy_Ha 29 July 2022 09: 16
            -4
            I think they won't be able to attack directly. Artillery won't. To suppress, they do not have enough strength and stupid shells. No wonder agent Gunpowder detonated warehouses. Few chimeras. The main shells for them are very expensive.
        2. Denistutswoy
          Denistutswoy 28 July 2022 13: 11
          +15
          Every day of fighting leads to the death of our soldiers. But such "comrades" like you, who have nowhere to hurry, should be sent to the front line.
          1. nik-mazur
            nik-mazur 28 July 2022 15: 24
            +3
            Hmm, do you think that active actions reduce losses?
            1. Denistutswoy
              Denistutswoy 28 July 2022 16: 23
              +10
              If we had struck at full strength right away, we would have demoralized the enemy and would have finished this "our" long ago. And since we have not even begun to fight, you will receive and sign in a protracted conflict. Which in the future will lead to even greater losses.
              1. nik-mazur
                nik-mazur 28 July 2022 17: 19
                -6
                If yes.
                And if they hit at full strength, but the enemy did not become demoralized, then what? Such an option, as I understand it, was not considered by you?
                At the same time, strikes at full strength involve mobilization, the transfer of the economy to a military footing, and other problems and risks of a big war of attrition, where any mistake or even an accident threatens disaster.
                And in such a light mode, when the war practically does not load the economy, and citizens notice it only from the news and a little bit from the sanctions, we can fight as much as we like.
                1. Denistutswoy
                  Denistutswoy 28 July 2022 19: 08
                  +1
                  It feels like you just get pleasure from reporting how much and what was killed and destroyed from the enemy. And in your desires that it would last longer. For there is no other explanation for your opuses.
                  1. nik-mazur
                    nik-mazur 28 July 2022 20: 49
                    +1
                    Yeah, they don't report to me, actually. And the reports are in the public domain, I somehow don’t read and don’t watch.
                    So, you should not be so gullible about your feelings - they blatantly deceive you ...
                  2. Jose
                    Jose 29 July 2022 00: 43
                    -1
                    If they had struck from the very beginning for real - yes, everything would have ended by the end of April, and we would have stood at the Chop station in the Transcarpathian region, and at the May parade the banners of Ukrainian formations would have been thrown to the mausoleum. But "geniuses" and "great analysts" in the Moscow Region, and in the Foreign Intelligence Service, and in the Foreign Ministry, and in other instances predicted such nonsense, for which they should be brought to justice. They predicted that we would be greeted with flowers, that the Armed Forces of Ukraine would be demoralized and scatter after the first blows, and that Tsarev and Medvedchuk's company would ride into Bankovaya on a white horse to fanfare. Alas, it was originally a fixed idea. There has long been no significant pro-Russian fifth column in Ukraine in an organized form. But now it is pointless to discuss it. Now we need to get out of the current situation. And here is a double-edged sword. Let's hurry up - we will put an unacceptably large number of both people and equipment. Let's not rush - we will also allow the enemy to accumulate new forces, and even with Western assistance. Yes, and the issue of managing the occupied (in the sense of liberated) territories is also serious, because you need to somehow support their population at your own expense and at the same time prevent partisan movement there. Yes, we will have to occupy territories whose population hates us. But no other way. We cannot back down and lose this war. A defeat in the war will inevitably be followed by a civil war within the Russian Federation.
                    1. nik-mazur
                      nik-mazur 29 July 2022 15: 47
                      -2
                      Quote: Jose
                      They predicted that we would be greeted with flowers, that the Armed Forces of Ukraine would be demoralized and scatter after the first blows...
                      Do not talk nonsense - in the General Staff (as well as in the headquarters of any level), where military operations are planned, there are simply no such concepts as scatter, surrender, meet with flowers - this is purely civilian vulgar terminology. But at the headquarters, when planning, completely different terms are used: reach the line, destroy, secure, occupy, hold. And all these actions are justified and calculated on the basis of objective indicators: distance, area, defense density, the amount of ammunition, and even more indicators that journalists, bloggers and commentators have no idea about. Actually, due to ignorance in military science, they are carrying a blizzard about some civilians and civilian objects. Or, in all seriousness, they discuss stuffing about “goodwill gestures” or “decision-making centers” ...
                      1. My doctor
                        My doctor 29 July 2022 21: 06
                        0
                        Quote from: nik-mazur
                        Do not talk nonsense - in the General Staff (as well as in the headquarters of any level), where military operations are planned, there are simply no such concepts as scatter, surrender, meet with flowers - this is purely civilian vulgar terminology.

                        Quote from: nik-mazur
                        But at the headquarters, when planning, completely different terms are used: reach the line, destroy, secure, occupy, hold. And all these actions are justified and calculated on the basis of objective indicators: distance, area, density of defense, the amount of ammunition, and even more indicators,

                        Thanks, enlightened. belay
                        It turns out that the tasks of the NWO were set at the headquarters. It’s just that it’s not clear why the list of declared tasks of the SVO does not contain the terms you listed, but there are such as denazification and demilitarization.
                      2. nik-mazur
                        nik-mazur 29 July 2022 21: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: MyVrach
                        Thank you enlightened
                        Yes please.
                        I'll even tell you more: the staffs carry out the orders of their superior direct and immediate superiors. For the General Staff, this is the Supreme Commander. And what he instructed the General Staff is not even under the heading "Top Secret", but most likely "Special Importance".
                        And the denazification and demilitarization you mentioned is a small media and political part that can be exposed to the public.
            2. Elephant
              Elephant 29 July 2022 16: 36
              0
              Quote from: nik-mazur
              Hmm, do you think that active actions reduce losses?

              Yes. Especially if at the very beginning you decapitate the leader and members of his criminal gang!
              1. nik-mazur
                nik-mazur 29 July 2022 19: 28
                0
                Can you confirm with real historical examples or is this a purely theoretical thesis?
                1. single-n
                  single-n 3 August 2022 07: 25
                  -2
                  World War II. Capturing Norway. Would
                  A fast landing, even with the loss of ships, and the allied troops were too late to land and help
                  1. nik-mazur
                    nik-mazur 3 August 2022 08: 46
                    0
                    To be honest, I didn’t understand anything - some set of spelling errors ...
        3. Zug
          Zug 31 July 2022 12: 08
          0
          How do you wash it, throw off a photo, I'm already interested.
      2. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 28 July 2022 11: 08
        -7
        Did I miss something. Show me, or better give a link from the "pro-government media", where the operation of washing boots in the Vistula would be described. On the contrary, the "pro-government media" nightmare pensioners with a description of how difficult everything turned out.
      3. skeptic
        skeptic 28 July 2022 11: 41
        +5
        Quote: Gardamir
        But if you believe the pro-government media, then the Russian troops should already be washing their boots, at least in the waters of the Vistula.

        So that's why "pro-government media" of any country exists. The main trouble is that there are too many "initiative fools" or too smart opponents who bring information to insanity. After that, the words of Professor Preobrazhensky from "Heart of a Dog" are recalled.
  4. Leshak
    Leshak 28 July 2022 07: 28
    +48
    The author voiced what the majority of the people of Russia fear. Not being a military expert, the same thing is seen from my "sofa". hi I would like to be wrong.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 28 July 2022 09: 32
      +24
      Not being a military expert
      You don't have to be ashamed of it. It is enough just to be able to think, analyze, compare. And I see it the same as you.
      1. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 28 July 2022 12: 36
        -22
        Well, well ... see a lot from the sofa, great strategist of mankind?
  5. Prometey
    Prometey 28 July 2022 07: 33
    +12
    As far as I understand, Russian aviation is incapacitated and will not have any influence on the enemy’s counterattack?
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 28 July 2022 07: 44
      +34
      Quote: Prometey
      As far as I understand, Russian aviation is incapacitated and will not have any influence on the enemy’s counterattack?

      Exactly. We are left with mustard gas and Long Bertha.
      As for the war of attrition, in my opinion, it is being conducted a little differently, with the obligatory destruction of the rear infrastructure, both military production and civilian. But in Kyiv and in the Zapadensky region, nevertheless, people are sitting with electricity, gas and water, watching Bandera on TV, writing about their victories on the Internet. It takes so long to get exhausted.
      1. Adrey
        Adrey 28 July 2022 08: 21
        +3
        Quote: Polite Elk
        "Long Bertha".

        "Big Bertha" or "Fat Bertha" hi.
        As for the war of attrition, in my opinion, it is being conducted a little differently, with the obligatory destruction of the rear infrastructure, both military-production and civilian.

        In its pure form, wars of attrition with the total destruction of infrastructure were not waged. A bit like the NATO invasion of Yugoslavia, but there the "Duai doctrine" was applied more.
        In WWI, the exhaustion of Germany was primarily achieved by a distant naval blockade and had consequences mainly for the civilian population, up to starvation. The army had something to fight until the last moment.
        Similar to WWII. Despite the massive Allied bombing, tanks and planes were produced, drove, flew, fired while they were. The fleet was an exception - fuel oil was not mined synthetically.
        As part of the ongoing operation, a complete blockade of the enemy is apparently impossible (at least at this stage), therefore, the transfer of efforts in this direction will not give results that radically change the situation.
        1. Elephant
          Elephant 29 July 2022 16: 45
          0
          Quote: Adrey
          In its purest form, wars of attrition with the total destruction of infrastructure were not waged.

          Yes, it’s even more interesting with us - pumping gas, supplying electricity to banderlogs from the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, which we have long occupied
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    3. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 28 July 2022 12: 38
      -3
      Quote: Prometey
      As far as I understand, Russian aviation is incapacitated and will not have any influence on the enemy’s counterattack?

      What kind of counterattack?
    4. lopvlad
      lopvlad 28 July 2022 14: 47
      -5
      Quote: Prometey
      Russian aviation is incapacitated


      so incompetent that it has not lost a single air battle to ukrov aviation.
    5. cmax
      cmax 28 July 2022 15: 46
      +7
      Quote: Prometey
      As far as I understand, Russian aviation is incapacitated and will not have any influence on the enemy’s counterattack?

      Yes, and the fleet too, only for parades it will do.
    6. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 28 July 2022 16: 05
      +3
      Russian aviation is quite combat-ready - dozens of aircraft have been flying over St. Petersburg for weeks, rehearsing the parade. And what sides! Tu 142, IL 38, other novelties of our military-industrial complex! They go in a line, link by link, like in a war! Is it possible, with such intense combat training, to doubt the combat capability of our air forces?!
  6. Bronik
    Bronik 28 July 2022 07: 34
    +22
    written objectively. Without hats.
  7. ermak124.0
    ermak124.0 28 July 2022 07: 36
    -1
    I have always been fascinated by analyzes of situations made by "experts" in the ranks of "major-colonel", who have practically no sources for evaluation, except for media chatter and talking heads ... But bad luck, such thoughts sometimes also visit. I wish I was wrong, but...
    1. Paladin
      Paladin 28 July 2022 07: 57
      -21
      I'm just in these ranks, but I'm sick of such analyses. For these are not analyzes, but liberal, incompetent chatter, slightly powdered with vanilla feelings for Russia. thu
      1. Dante Alighieri
        Dante Alighieri 28 July 2022 08: 26
        +22
        Well, retirees are also different, some went out for the checkpoint and remember as they know, while others, even after retirement, continue to fight for their homeland as and where they can. What will you be from? Strelkov, in the 14th year, got up and went to do what he considered right, although no one, to the rum of his personal conscience, forced him to do this. And now I would go if for the Kremlin and the authorities of the LDNR it was not a living reminder that the people themselves, of their own free will, have the right to create their own history.
        1. Paladin
          Paladin 28 July 2022 09: 08
          -23
          Are we discussing me .., or maybe you? We discuss our attitude towards an article or information or the characters of this information. Who is stopping him? These "if"? Is he being held by the Kremlin or the authorities of the LDNR by the pants? Or just don't make him a minister? Or maybe it’s just that the attitude towards him in the LDNR, and in particular because of his whining, is such that he should not approach the borders of the republics?
          1. Dante Alighieri
            Dante Alighieri 28 July 2022 09: 46
            +10
            Is he being held by the Kremlin or the authorities of the LDNR by the pants?

            I bet they keep it. Besides. Even assuming that he would have managed to cross the border, I do not think that there would be a commander who would take him to his unit.
            Or maybe it’s just that the attitude towards him in the LDNR, and in particular because of his whining, is such that he should not approach the borders of the republics?

            Let's ask? There are users from the republics of the same bayard, for example. Let them tell you how they perceive Strelkov
        2. nik-mazur
          nik-mazur 28 July 2022 15: 35
          0
          Quote: Dante
          Strelkov, in the 14th year, got up and went to do what he considered right ...
          It seems to many that a person holding a machine gun in his hands is already becoming a specialist in military affairs. And if he has also been to a hot spot, then this is just an expert. Meanwhile, Strelkov can claim the title of field commander of the lower tactical level, but he has never been a strategist or an analyst.
          If I were a strategist, then in the fourteenth year I would first capture a couple of tanks, and then something more strategically advantageous, and not Slavyansk, located in a lowland. But he did not look far and did not plan, but improvised according to circumstances. One can argue both in terms of actions and results, but this is not the level of a military operation.
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 28 July 2022 08: 37
        -14
        The author does not count, there is no analysis of the Western media, but they all noted along the Antonovsky bridge. The fate of Ukraine is decided on this bridge. Shutka! hi
      3. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 28 July 2022 12: 40
        -5
        Quote: Paladin
        I'm just in these ranks

        I'm generally not in the ranks... but I'm sick too.
      4. cmax
        cmax 28 July 2022 15: 51
        +9
        Quote: Paladin
        I'm just in these ranks, but I'm sick of such analyses. For these are not analyzes, but liberal, incompetent chatter, slightly powdered with vanilla feelings for Russia. thu

        Then the "colonel" can tell me when they finally stop shelling Donetsk. For your information ..,. It was the 155th day of the operation, and civilians continue to die.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 28 July 2022 09: 36
      +16
      except for media chatter and talking heads ..
      In addition to chatter, there is an objective situation. For some reason, no one wants to drive the Armed Forces of Ukraine away from Donetsk, and if they can’t, then it’s already scary. Today again a report on how Donetsk was bombarded with "petal" mines
    3. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 28 July 2022 16: 11
      +9
      And we have a colonel - in fact, the highest officer rank. All who are taller, with wide stripes - officials, politicians, lobbyists. Anyone, but their skills and experience before February of this year had a very indirect relation to commanding troops in a combat operation.
    4. man
      man 28 July 2022 21: 41
      +1
      I have always been fascinated by analyzes of situations made by "experts" in the ranks of "major-colonel", who have practically no sources for evaluation, except for media chatter and talking heads ... But bad luck, such thoughts sometimes also visit. I wish I was wrong, but...
      I'm embarrassed to ask ... It turns out that you are at least a major general?
      1. ermak124.0
        ermak124.0 30 July 2022 07: 41
        +1
        Feel free to ask. What is bad or inconvenient about demand? No, not a general, but have you seen my conclusions, analysis somewhere???
  8. Dean
    Dean 28 July 2022 07: 36
    +36
    There is another important point. The speed of the NWO will determine the power of Russia for the whole world. No matter how our and Western analysts say and write, everyone looks at the fact that the Russian Army cannot move forward and keep its unprepared masses mobilized mixed with regular units. As a result, everyone has grown bolder to such an extent that even small mongrels begin to yelp at the "brown bear" biting his fat, furry ass. But this can already lead to a real war and more terrible than the current one.
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 28 July 2022 07: 50
      +36
      Quote: Dean
      As a result, everyone has grown bolder to such an extent that even small mongrels begin to yelp at the "brown bear" biting his thick furry ass.


      What are they afraid of? The only thing that really deters the West from a direct attack on Russia is the presence of nuclear weapons and the risk of a retaliatory strike ... and as for the overall power of the Russian army, the example of the NVO is indicative, they see that Ukraine is striking at Russian territory (cities, towns, villages) and there is nothing for it, the promised strikes on decision-making points have not been made, the leadership of Ukraine and their entire political elite are doing quite well in Kyiv, and the RF Armed Forces are bogged down in a positional war in the Donbass .... + The West pumps Ukraine from the heart Western weapons, and there is nothing for this either, if at first the Western coalition was afraid to supply heavy weapons, now these lines are no longer there ... therefore, conclusions have been drawn, and there is nothing surprising in the fact that they have ceased to be afraid of Russia.
  9. antivirus
    antivirus 28 July 2022 07: 40
    -13
    Was the son of an officer Galkin right?
    Or: In March April, bridges along the zbruch and Khreshchatyk.
    Then along the border of the USSR.
    Everything is rubbish.
    And wait like now surrender
  10. Boris55
    Boris55 28 July 2022 07: 49
    -31
    So far, the allied forces cannot even liberate the Donbass, and the military conflict is close to a “hot freeze”.

    Every single day our people liberate this or that locality... Let such a "hot freeze" last until the complete and unconditional surrender of the West.

    This is also noted by FSB colonel in reserve Igor Strelkov, who writes that “on our side of the front, we, alas, have almost nothing to attack with. In every way".

    Here it is, the canned food has been opened ... Again, we do not have enough cartridges laughing
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 28 July 2022 08: 24
      +3
      There are cartridges. They don't even order.
    2. aglet
      aglet 28 July 2022 08: 33
      +11
      "Ours, every single day, liberate one or another settlement ..."
      can you give a list of settlements liberated just for yesterday's day? and for the day before yesterday?
      1. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 28 July 2022 22: 53
        -2
        Yes I can. Now
      2. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 28 July 2022 22: 57
        -2
        Yes, hell knows in short. But tomorrow they were going to take Artemovsk. Better to get them out of there. It will be hot
        1. aglet
          aglet 29 July 2022 13: 34
          -2
          "Yes, hell knows in short"
          oh so! I know that the metropolis of the sands seems to have been liberated, the population is 9 people. win!
  11. Paladin
    Paladin 28 July 2022 07: 54
    -24
    Operational pause threatens to develop into a positional impasse

    And a month has not passed since the previous "Chief is gone." And again, this shooting from the strategist of all times and peoples in the fields of reconstruction. Well, yes, he seems to know WWI, but it seems sometimes you need to emerge from the illusions of reconstruction. He begins to resemble some kind of hitman, only not from us there, but from there to here. And of course, various purely civilized people posing as military experts on the basis of Strelkov's wet glitches give pleasure)))
  12. Flooding
    Flooding 28 July 2022 07: 54
    +4
    The most interesting in this article:
    learned that Girkin was an FSB colonel.
    Is this reliable information?
    1. Paladin
      Paladin 28 July 2022 08: 02
      -5
      Yes, and also the GRU))))))))))
      1. Bully
        Bully 28 July 2022 08: 51
        +14
        I noticed the following trend: Strelkov's "criticism" is mainly engaged in people incommensurable with him
        1. Paladin
          Paladin 28 July 2022 09: 12
          -14
          Do you know something sacred about "little people"? Of course, you don’t consider yourself to be a “people”))))))
          1. Bully
            Bully 28 July 2022 09: 43
            +22
            What is there sacred? It is enough that I observe here almost 24/7 a group of loafers who puffed up with the help of their comments to throw mud at people who notice blatant idiotic miscalculations (or maybe intentional ones) of the military-political leadership
            1. Paladin
              Paladin 28 July 2022 12: 35
              -8
              Congratulations, you are here to water those who are 24/7 24/7 ..... Nothing sacred and idle laughing
            2. sansan2
              sansan2 28 July 2022 14: 30
              -1
              Fuck you, all the strategists, just like Clausewitz in short pants, what the hell are you doing here, go win, but any idiot already understands that people are needed, attacking 1 to 3 breaks all the rules and theories. But where to get people from volunteers, they take it with pleasure, write a contract, but I don’t see a queue at the military registration and enlistment office, unfortunately I must admit that the modern younger generation does not burn at the stake of heroism and patriotism, the older one is either already only partisans, or calls beer, or once stupidity you have to earn money to do it. Now announce mobilization, the queue to the doctors for help will line up and everyone will become pacifists at once. So the population that supports the special operation, unfortunately, for the most part, is ready to perceive it as something far away, such as a political show with elements of war, they say, yes, there are dangerous Nazis, it’s probably worth putting things in order there and protecting themselves, but let the professionals do it, I’m the same manager. It must be admitted that the citizens of Ukraine are indeed brainwashed, but very qualitatively and most of the population perceives these events much more personally than dear Russians. So, dear strategist, as they say, do not teach to live better, help financially. Or you are not doing stupid things your strong point is strategy.
        2. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 28 July 2022 12: 46
          -4
          Quote: Bully
          I noticed the following trend: Strelkov's "criticism" is mainly engaged in people incommensurable with him

          And why is your Girkin better than Khodokovsky? Who continues to fight and not tryndet in the rear like your "hero" ... I'm not talking about the deceased Motorola. The fact that they didn’t drapanuli then at 14?
          1. Marine engineer
            Marine engineer 28 July 2022 17: 55
            +2
            “And why is your Girkin better than Khodakovsky ...”

            The fact that he did not destroy the Russian volunteers in the failed operation to seize the Donetsk airport in the summer of 2014.
            1. alexey sidykin
              alexey sidykin 28 July 2022 18: 02
              -4
              This is how to say ... just about Girkin and they said that he did not value the life of the fighters too much. So how to say, how to say...
              1. Marine engineer
                Marine engineer 28 July 2022 18: 46
                +2
                Girkin was "on the edge" in Slavyansk, Khodakovsky was with "Vostok" in Donetsk. The first has fights in a semi-encirclement, the second has “agreements”. I am not a fan of Strelkov, his foppishness and narcissism repel him, but I give him credit as the commander of 2014. Khodakovsky will be thinner, but this is my opinion.
                1. alexey sidykin
                  alexey sidykin 28 July 2022 20: 55
                  -3
                  You have to look at the result ... Khodokovsky has been fighting all these 8 years, and Girkin is whining in the rear and something is in no hurry to fulfill his promise to liberate the Donbass even as an ordinary person ... Although after what he said, it is unlikely that they will even take him as a water carrier.
                  1. Marine engineer
                    Marine engineer 28 July 2022 22: 05
                    +2
                    You can fight in different ways...
                    All the iconic commanders of the militia were either destroyed or squeezed out of the Donbass as Strelkov, but Khodakovsky survived. Apparently, the “Ukrainian” DRG didn’t really need him all these 8 years.
                    As the saying goes: "Wrong coat."
                    1. igorbrsv
                      igorbrsv 29 July 2022 11: 41
                      -2
                      Warriors. You are not cutting something. Well, let's go to the battalion. Meeting point at the border. We will seep in small groups. Well, who can take the train. Does anybody want? Chur I'm not a commander. Let's really help. Why are we scribbling notes here
                    2. alexey sidykin
                      alexey sidykin 29 July 2022 17: 07
                      -3
                      Firstly, Khodokovsky is the founder of Vostok, but not his commander, so it makes no sense to kill, and no, he was widely known. In addition, you forgot about Akhra Avidzba, Hero of the DPR, commander and founder of Pyatnashka,
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  13. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 28 July 2022 08: 11
    +9
    There will be a fracture for you, I have not reached it yet. It is more difficult to get to the front than to get a new job.
  14. ivan2022
    ivan2022 28 July 2022 08: 17
    +3
    Quote: anclevalico
    Specifically, in the theater of operations, in fact, parity. Which the Russian Federation can change, but does not, for unknown reasons. And I'm not talking about mobilization ...

    Russia also waited 8 years for "incomprehensible reasons."

    The USSR was destroyed in 1991, also for "unexplained reasons." For example, "to equip Russia" so that "we don't have to feed the republics" - is that like an understandable reason?
  15. KCA
    KCA 28 July 2022 08: 18
    -7
    Markov is a well-known political scientist? If only in narrow circles, if he flashed on TV several times, this does not make him a prominent political scientist, and, by the way, what is his military rank? What is the combat experience? Girkin is an FSB lieutenant colonel, and what makes him a great strategist? My friend is also a retired lieutenant colonel of the FSB, he served as a border guard, and then he was on duty, is he also a great military analyst?
    1. Dilettante grandfather
      Dilettante grandfather 28 July 2022 08: 40
      0
      Yes, now "famous" political scientists and analysts are popping up like mushrooms after the rain. Everything is much clearer from the sofas than from the General Staff, it's obvious! wassat
      1. Plate
        Plate 28 July 2022 17: 18
        -1
        Yes, the whole country is constantly changing qualifications. First all the experts in education, then all the experts in epidemiology, then in genetics and immunology, now they have become experts in the art of war. The question is, what kind of experts will the country be inhabited in six months or a year? The correct answer to this question can be considered a prediction of the future!
        1. Dilettante grandfather
          Dilettante grandfather 28 July 2022 19: 50
          +1
          The correct answer to this question can be considered a prediction of the future!

          "Listen to the exact weather forecast for tomorrow the day after tomorrow"© wassat
    2. Yaroslavl
      Yaroslavl 28 July 2022 09: 02
      +15
      That's right, FSB colonels are like dirt ... but I don’t think there are people like Igor Vsevolodovich, your friend was unlikely to be the head of the DPR, took Slavyansk and held defense there for three months, hardly fought in Croatia, in the PMR, and Chechnya ... so here quite a different scenario...
      1. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 28 July 2022 12: 49
        -7
        Quote: Yaroslavsky
        That's right, FSB colonels are like dirt ... but I don’t think there are people like Igor Vsevolodovich, your friend was unlikely to be the head of the DPR, took Slavyansk and held defense there for three months, hardly fought in Croatia, in the PMR, and Chechnya ... so here quite a different scenario...

        What kind of nonsense? Girkin never took Slavyansk and was never the head of the DPR ... he only draped from Slavyansk ... and spent a little time as Minister of War.
        1. Yaroslavl
          Yaroslavl 1 August 2022 11: 41
          0
          I think I won’t even correct you .... numerous minuses for all your comments from users speak for themselves. good luck
          1. alexey sidykin
            alexey sidykin 1 August 2022 12: 49
            -3
            They love to downvote this fact. There is nothing to specifically object to, so minus it. And yes, the drain is counted.
            1. Yaroslavl
              Yaroslavl 1 August 2022 15: 26
              0
              minus for a reason ... this is the first, but what do I have to argue with? the fact that Strelkov took Slavyansk, and you don’t know, well, there’s no point in talking further ... what are the objections ?? about what? ignorance of elementary things?
              1. alexey sidykin
                alexey sidykin 1 August 2022 16: 19
                -3
                Did he really storm Slavyansk? He took with the battle incurring losses ... with one small arms. And yes, how many were there? 10, 15? Oh yes, it seems about 50 and ... a very formidable force. And what, the fact that he was the head of the DPR is no longer arguing?
                1. Yaroslavl
                  Yaroslavl 2 August 2022 10: 02
                  0
                  but I didn’t say that he stormed) then it was not necessary to storm in 2014, due to mistakes at the top, you have to do this with heavy losses in 2022, so don’t distort it) and about the first head of the DPR Strelkov I.V, the information is open, why climb in a bottle is not clear)
      2. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 2 August 2022 11: 30
        -2
        Quote: Yaroslavsky
        was unlikely to be the head of the DPR, took Slavyansk

        Are you going back on your words? And I repeat once again Girkin was the Minister of War of the DPR and not the leader and short-lived military commandant of Donetsk. Leader, that is, the head. Borodai was the first, then Zazarchenko ...
        1. Yaroslavl
          Yaroslavl 2 August 2022 12: 06
          -1
          yeah, already some kind of head, yes, yes)) the process has begun ... here you are playing on words) the same game as you stormed Slavyansk or took it) you refused initially) taking the conversation in a convenient direction) but it didn’t work)
          1. alexey sidykin
            alexey sidykin 2 August 2022 13: 44
            -2
            You take it away ... you write about the capture of Slavyansk by Girkin and the fact that he was the leader of the DPR. So do not shift from a sick head to a healthy one. And yes, the commandant of Donetsk and the minister, with all your desire, do not pull on the head in any way ... an owl can burst.
            1. Yaroslavl
              Yaroslavl 2 August 2022 14: 06
              -1
              Lyosha, did he take Slavyansk or not? Please decide) how old are you?)
              1. alexey sidykin
                alexey sidykin 3 August 2022 17: 01
                -2
                Slavik decide for yourself. And read carefully and thoughtfully. And you will be rude at home.
                1. Yaroslavl
                  Yaroslavl 4 August 2022 11: 17
                  -1
                  Alyoshka, only you are rude so far) and everyone in a row) and I would recommend choosing words with special care, in a conversation with strangers
                  1. alexey sidykin
                    alexey sidykin 4 August 2022 18: 20
                    -1
                    Both to me and in the return line ... you did not start to familiarize yourself. So do not shift from a sick head to a healthy one.
    3. igorka357
      igorka357 28 July 2022 09: 27
      +21
      But after all, Girkin did not sit on duty, although he does not impress me, he fought quite successfully in the Donbass, and he fought not at headquarters according to maps, but led practically from the trenches ..
      1. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 28 July 2022 12: 52
        -15
        Leading a company or battalion is not at all the same level as actually an army over vast distances ... and Girkin never rose above the battalion commander ... he didn’t have enough intelligence, and now he is whining because of unfulfilled ambitions ...
  16. Sergey Kuzmin
    Sergey Kuzmin 28 July 2022 08: 33
    +10
    Trying to "grind" the Ukrainian army and take it to starvation, you can fall into a trap, because "grinding" is always mutual. Actually, already now the situation is such that it is very problematic to conduct offensive operations of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the NM LDNR due to the lack of infantry.
    This is also noted by FSB colonel in reserve Igor Strelkov, who writes that “on our side of the front, we, alas, have almost nothing to attack with. In every way". You can attribute this to the colonel's pessimism (although, as practice shows, his forecasts often have a habit of coming true), but we really see that the allied forces are no longer carrying out any offensive actions. The capture of Seversk, which has already been announced twice, is being delayed, due to the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not retreating from there, but, on the contrary, are pulling up reserves and strengthening their positions.
    Strelkov-Girkin is absolutely right! He said from the very beginning of the SVO that a complete Victory required partial competent mobilization in Russia. They did not listen to him ... now they are getting what we are seeing because of the "plywood" figures. Strelkov-Kvachkov to the current General Staff of Russia and to the Ministry of Defense for decisive positions! Then there will be an opportunity to win! And with the current "plywood" everything goes like hell!
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 28 July 2022 09: 12
      -1
      Quote: Sergey Kuzmin
      Strelkov-Kvachkov to the current General Staff of Russia

      laughing Why are they crazy to go to the General Staff, sit there, say what you want and there is no demand from you .... what for they need this General Staff? belay lol
      1. Cartalon
        Cartalon 28 July 2022 09: 44
        +10
        Yes, there is probably a demand in the General Staff, they drew a beautiful invasion of Ukraine on the map, it didn’t work out, we don’t care, we’ll beat our foreheads against the fortifications, of course we could bypass them from the south, but this is not necessary, railway bridges across the Dnieper should be removed from its side useless, we will wait for the next ingenious plan, for the third stage, but in the General Staff we have solid Moltke sitting.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 28 July 2022 10: 28
          -10
          Quote: Cartalon
          there is probably demand at the General Staff

          Probably yes .... General Conversation, General Surovikin, General Kisel .... they have already been asked!
          Quote: Cartalon
          fortified, of course, they could be bypassed from the south, but this is not necessary, the railway bridges across the Dnieper should be taken out of service

          And a dashing attack on a white horse ...... why? Is Russia the last one ..... a piece of bread without salt eats up? Have you entered cards? Have barracks been introduced at defense factories? The whole essence of the NWO is not the first world war, it is to bring Europe to its knees ... and it succeeds! Do you think Strelkov does not understand this? He understands very well, but for some reason he started his own game, but why, this is a big question!
          1. Cartalon
            Cartalon 28 July 2022 10: 47
            +5
            What a dashing attack since when, swotting on fortifications has become a masterpiece of military thought, since we are at war, you can fight for decades, and such a war will take more people than a competent encirclement operation.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 28 July 2022 11: 22
              -3
              Quote: Cartalon
              since when has swotting on fortifications become a masterpiece of military thought

              Once again, for the admirers of the Brusilov breakthrough, it is beneficial for Russia to drag out the conflict in Ukraine, both politically and economically! The main prize is Europe, not Ukraine ... is that clear?
              Quote: Cartalon
              such a war will take more people than a competent encirclement operation.

              Why did you decide so? Based on a Soviet textbook on tactics, the losses of the attackers, with a ratio of attackers to defenders of 3: 1, reach 40 percent of the initial number of attacking personnel.
              1. cmax
                cmax 28 July 2022 15: 58
                +3
                Quote: Serg65
                Why did you decide so? Based on a Soviet textbook on tactics, the losses of the attackers, with a ratio of attackers to defenders of 3: 1, reach 40 percent of the initial number of attacking personnel.

                Here the Germans in 41 did not know about this textbook. Remind how many people of the personnel army of the USSR were captured by the end of the year, or see for yourself.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 29 July 2022 07: 29
                  0
                  Quote: cmax
                  Here the Germans in 41 did not know about this textbook.

                  They knew very well! And they also knew very well that the Red Army in July 1941 was the office of "Horns and Hooves", where every gopher is an agronomist, but these agronomists do not know which side to approach the plow!
                  And if you are such a historian, can you remind me of the losses of the Wehrmacht in the assaults on Sevastopol and the Kursk Bulge, or the losses of Soviet troops in Operation Bagration?
          2. eskulap
            eskulap 28 July 2022 16: 09
            +5
            "The whole essence of the NWO is not the first world, it is to bring Europe to its knees ... and it succeeds!"
            Che-yo, I wanted a new world order, but shouldn’t everyone go to hell with such Wishlist
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 29 July 2022 07: 30
              -1
              Quote: eskulap
              Che-yo, I wanted a new world order, but shouldn’t everyone go to hell with such Wishlist

              Are you worried about Europe?
              1. eskulap
                eskulap 29 July 2022 11: 14
                0
                What does Europe have to do with it, why should Russians shed blood for Putin's personal kingdom, and even 3 to 1? At the same time, "your" plans do not imply victory, but simply a protracted urination with the subsequent division of Russia
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 29 July 2022 11: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: eskulap
                  why Russians must shed blood for Putin's personal kingdom

                  what You are somehow late with this training manual .... you are 6 months late! recourse
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 28 July 2022 09: 31
      0
      So they would have been sitting in the General Staff if they had not climbed into the political field. Remember Rokhlin, Lebed .. they were excellent military generals who knew their stuff .. Why get into politics? If you know how to fight, fight, lead people into battle .. but no, they grabbed media popularity, and away we go .. and where are they now? But the military were with a capital letter!
      1. Stepnyak
        Stepnyak 28 July 2022 10: 16
        +9
        Is Lebed a competent general? Maybe. Only Khasavyurt... Well, this is about a fly in the ointment. In addition, the constant replaying of rigidity on camera. Like a bad artist. Why was it necessary? I'm not a psychologist, but I'm always on guard when I see how a person is drawn. These rarely come with real content.
      2. Prometey
        Prometey 28 July 2022 11: 05
        +12
        One can still agree about the merits of Rokhlin, but where did Lebed show himself as a commander?
        1. igorka357
          igorka357 1 August 2022 13: 47
          0
          In Transnistria.
          1. Prometey
            Prometey 1 August 2022 14: 05
            0
            In Transnistria, the Russian army did not fight with anyone.
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 2 August 2022 06: 01
              0
              Yes, and in Chechnya, too, the guidance of the constitutional, and now the operation ... wake up dear ...
      3. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 28 July 2022 14: 35
        +4
        Yes, the whole army cursed Lebed for Hasvyurt ... When the helicopter with him crashed, only the pilots were sorry.
        1. igorka357
          igorka357 1 August 2022 13: 48
          0
          When Lebed concluded Khasavyurt, he was practically no longer a general, but thought about political dividends ..
    3. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 28 July 2022 12: 07
      +3
      Strelkov himself is now saying that general mobilization will lead to a riot, that there will be wholesale desertion, in his opinion this should have been done at the beginning of the operation
    4. DominickS
      DominickS 28 July 2022 14: 51
      +4
      Well, "mobilize", if that's what you want. Who's stopping you? Write to "Rusich" or "Wagner" and forward. They take the contract.
      1. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 1 August 2022 16: 09
        -2
        And not only that, volunteer detachments have now begun to form in many regions.
  17. ivan2022
    ivan2022 28 July 2022 08: 35
    +13
    Quote: KCA
    Markov is a well-known political scientist? If only in narrow circles, if he flashed on TV several times, this does not make him a prominent political scientist, and, by the way, what is his military rank? What is the combat experience? Girkin is an FSB lieutenant colonel, and what makes him a great strategist?

    We are talking about things that are so obvious that you don't have to be a great analyst. It is enough not to be corrupt, which in our society borders on a miracle ....

    For example, you can remember the boy from H. H. Andersen's fairy tale about the king's dress... The boy was not a great analyst either.

    Also, for example, is it possible to say that Russia is ready for confrontation with NATO, if, according to official data, the number of Iskander missiles produced in 15 years is only 140 pieces? After all, this indicates the characteristic scale of Russian production capacities ....
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 28 July 2022 09: 15
      +4
      Quote: ivan2022
      according to official data, the number of Iskander missiles produced over 15 years is only 140 pieces

      belay so they are .... back in March they should have ended ... taking into account combat training launches .... where did they come from now ?????
      1. Shahed
        Shahed 28 July 2022 11: 35
        0
        Because this "mykola" wrote.
        Produced for 2020 140 SPU Iskander - self-propelled launchers. There are two missiles on the launcher and two more on the TZM.
        And the total stock of missiles should be 1500 - at least 10 per launcher.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 28 July 2022 09: 48
      0
      We are talking about things that are so obvious that you don't have to be a great analyst. It is enough not to be corrupt, which in our society borders on a miracle ....
      For example, you can remember the boy from H. H. Andersen's fairy tale about the king's dress... The boy was not a great analyst either.

      good good good
    3. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 28 July 2022 12: 09
      +2
      missiles or launchers? 140 were shot in the first month
  18. Scientist
    Scientist 28 July 2022 08: 50
    +32
    There is another very bad moment for us. The "grinding" of the Ukrainian army is tens of thousands of dead Ukrainians. And they have families, relatives. As a result, the longer this goes on, the more Ukrainians will hate Russia for personal reasons. In the same way, the relatives of our dead guys will have nothing to love Ukrainians for. Actually this is one of the goals of the West.
    1. Dante Alighieri
      Dante Alighieri 28 July 2022 09: 21
      +10
      I support it, I always think about it when I hear the joyful howls of journalists about the n-th number of "liquidated" soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. On the one hand, it is clear that every killed enemy is the saved life of his fighter, but only in the civil war there are no strangers - all of them. So, I’m afraid that the consequence of the policy pursued today will be a long-term enmity between the two branches of the Russian people, stretching for many years (unless, of course, we have such a period of time with the Ukrainians that, given the active migration flows from Asia, this is far from a fact)
    2. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 28 July 2022 14: 39
      -3
      Quote: U. Cheny
      There is another very bad moment for us. The "grinding" of the Ukrainian army is tens of thousands of dead Ukrainians. And they have families, relatives. As a result, the longer this goes on, the more Ukrainians will hate Russia for personal reasons. In the same way, the relatives of our dead guys will have nothing to love Ukrainians for. Actually this is one of the goals of the West.

      Chechnya is an example for you ... you can recall the GDR or from our early history the Kazan Khanate were still alive, there were those who remembered that Kazan was independent, but in the Time of Troubles rose to the defense of Russia ...
      1. Scientist
        Scientist 28 July 2022 17: 14
        +1
        You can not compare directly, too different situations. Moreover, Kazan, for example, was also taken by the Tatar cavalry - internecine strife, however.
        1. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 28 July 2022 17: 58
          0
          In Ukraine, it is also, in fact, civilian. And yes, the parallels are very appropriate.
    3. nik-mazur
      nik-mazur 28 July 2022 15: 44
      +5
      Quote: U. Cheny
      ...the longer this goes on, the more Ukrainians will hate Russia...
      How many millions of inhabitants of the Ukrainian SSR were destroyed by the Germans? And nothing - now the dill-patriots with these Germans are ready not even to kiss on the gums, but on those lips with which the burghers do not speak German ...
  19. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 28 July 2022 09: 12
    +15
    Come on, author ... Our Commander-in-Chief is told how hard we hit the enemy, what is worth only Kanashenkov with his daily destroyed 28 command posts and 600 Ukrainian servicemen killed in one blow .... I think Ukraine should be exhausted at such a rate, according to at least according to Kanashenkov. We have already laid almost 50 tons of ukrovoyak, sort of ....
    If the author is right, then our military leaders are probably waiting for a protracted war, they say winter, cold, the people of Ukraine will rebel themselves and raise Zelensky on a pitchfork. But the American curators of Kyiv will not allow this. How they were not allowed to hand over the keys to Ukrainian cities in February.
  20. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 28 July 2022 09: 16
    +15
    transfer of industry to war footing
    And what kind of industry should be transferred to war footing? The military-industrial complex is probably working in three or four shifts anyway. And what to translate actually what enterprises..?
  21. Kesha1980
    Kesha1980 28 July 2022 09: 22
    -13
    The battle fires smoldered. They beat the drums. The Horde has gone. (c)

    Eh! When will "analysts and well-known political scientists" finally stop looking narrowly? NWO is just one facet of the NEW POLICY. We can "put the boys down", win a clean sweep at the BD theater and go back without achieving anything. Meaning?
    After the failure of the first stage, due to the incorrect forecasts of political "analysts" and criminal promises (thanks to the "Medvedchuks" - balobols who took money and painted pink pictures), it was decided to play a slightly different game, where war is just one of the shadows. Remember the officially announced losses of the first stage - did you like it? So why the hell are you demanding "the continuation of the banquet"? The process is going on - at a slower speed, with high material costs, but (!) With less loss of human resources. We will also add the identification of erroneous approaches in the tactical component (jambs were identified and gradually eliminated). This is about the "military edge". Finnish analogue.
    There is too much to write about the military-political line. The ideological line, the foreign policy, the strategy for developing our own economy (we are moving from the "Potemkin villages" in import substitution), etc. Yes, a lot of things have been identified and have begun to be reforged.
    The goal is not to cut out ukrov for the sake of the process.
    The goal is to become stronger (plus global polarization).
    Platoon level strategists).
    1. Dedok
      Dedok 28 July 2022 09: 42
      +4
      Quote: Kesha1980
      Finnish analogue.


      then, the USSR could afford such losses
      today - the situation is different from the word "no way"
      1. Kesha1980
        Kesha1980 28 July 2022 10: 10
        -9
        Loss of what? Personnel losses are orders of magnitude lower. At the same time, the quality of veterans is always higher than the peacetime army.
        Losses of equipment - the main ones were at the 1st stage (now the tactics are different), and we print out storage reserves. Plus, there is a reassessment of the role of air defense / missile defense (previously still underestimated), we will improve electronic warfare. We will improve the satellite constellation. This is inevitable retribution for years of database theory. Strong Armed Forces are born not only in academies - the army must also practice, and the more often the better (subject to real (!) Evolution).
        Financial losses (arrested) are a good indicator for the future. We are paying the price for the sobering realism of "partners".
        You can add mercantile advantages - the opportunity to earn good money for those who wish. Fatty lands for strategic GDP.
        But in general - the law of Genesis is not violated. Nothing is debited out of thin air and there is always a price to pay for past mistakes.
    2. Dante Alighieri
      Dante Alighieri 28 July 2022 09: 57
      +6
      The goal is not to cut out ukrov for the sake of the process.
      The goal is to become stronger (plus global polarization).

      And that is why, probably, it was decided through the mouth of Chemezov not to develop its aircraft industry, buying civil aviation aircraft and even combat drones in the countries of the 3rd world? I’m generally silent about electronics - we are all waiting for China to decide to supply us with everything we need, regardless of the possibility of falling under sanctions itself.
      Is that what you call "getting stronger?"
      1. Kesha1980
        Kesha1980 28 July 2022 10: 30
        +5
        You can really keep quiet about electronics. China is pouring over 220 billion dollars into the development of its electronics. Global investment in electronics:

        Let's pull the loot to fill backward production? Without solving the "bottlenecks" in the production of electronics (there are about 50 of them and they are characterized by the fact that no country can afford to be completely independent of other countries). By the way, in a year and a half - we promise 25-30% of the world market of purified gases. So something is getting better. But mirrors and lithographs, we still will not learn how to slap perfect quality.
        3rd world drones? Well, if they are not of the third grade, then we must take them. Take - learn and develop. Or did you think that we would immediately give birth to everything out of thin air? Time is always a measure of evolution (taking into account that the process is "non-Rumyantsov"), and the difficult conditions of existence are a necessary kick. The main thing is to set urgent tasks and realistically (!) solve them. This is what we will check after five years, at least.
        1. Dante Alighieri
          Dante Alighieri 28 July 2022 10: 49
          +4
          You can really keep quiet about electronics. China is pouring over 220 billion dollars into the development of its electronics. Global investment in electronics:

          Well, where in this table is the Russian Federation or its company?
          Or did you think that we would immediately give birth to everything out of thin air? Time is always a measure of evolution (taking into account that the process is "non-Rumyantsov"), and the difficult conditions of existence are a necessary kick. The main thing is to set urgent tasks and realistically (!) solve them. This is what we will check after five years, at least.

          And what have the Russian authorities been doing for the last 8 years? Or that since 2014 it was not clear how everything would end in the end? Gleb Bobrov wrote his book "The Age of the Stillborn" in 2006, for several more years he thought it over and hatched its plot, which, I note, very accurately repeats the main contours of the Ukrainian conflict: from Moscow's unwillingness to harness itself for the republics, to the inevitability of such a decision. Although there is a difference: in the book, the country's leadership still had the brains to evade direct participation and not expose itself to Western sanctions. But this is not the point - the point is that the time for preparation was not a year or two, but whole decades, during which absolutely nothing was done.
          1. Kesha1980
            Kesha1980 28 July 2022 11: 05
            -3
            Well, where in this table is the Russian Federation or its company?

            And the amounts are too small (according to the "road map" for the development of domestic microelectronics, which was developed by Rostec in 21, by 2024 Russia will need 798 billion rubles of investments in the field of domestic microelectronics) and "keep quiet"). But then again - if you believe you, then where do we get the OTRK, strategic nuclear forces, etc. So - there is no need to panic. Chemezov's department yesterday/the day before yesterday reported on the production of 20 new microelectronics elements and promised to supply about 40 more soon. It is always like this - one day is impossible.
            And what have the Russian authorities been doing for the last 8 years?

            A serious question with an obvious answer. Window dressing and cutting. But this is not a reason to appeal to this now constantly - we will use it only for future comparison of the evolution of the state during "sudden) infectious attacks" - (I prefer to hope). Similarly, the fight against corruption has intensified, and I think this is obvious even from official news (middle and lower levels).
            A lot of time has been wasted, although we should not forget the agro-complex for global needs and similar "golden shares" of Russian production in the world trade balance.
            1. Dante Alighieri
              Dante Alighieri 28 July 2022 11: 40
              +4
              Chemezov's department yesterday/the day before yesterday reported on the production of 20 new microelectronics elements and promised to supply about 40 more soon. It is always like this - one day is impossible.

              Those. Agree, we are essentially talking about piece production (manufactories working on foreign components), and not about full-fledged production? Besides, why does everything have to rest against the military-industrial complex? In our country, thousands of people die in car accidents, and domestic business cannot even provide atomists with the necessary sensors for airbags. Shine!
              although we should not forget the agro-complex for global needs and similar "golden shares" of Russian production in the world trade balance.

              Of course, let's not forget, especially considering that the "amazing" at first glance indicators of agricultural exports were achieved largely due to the fact that the number of cattle was seriously reduced, which also consumed a significant share of agricultural crops produced in the fields.

              In general, don’t misunderstand, I am impressed by your positive attitude and it could even have the right to life, if not for today’s external conjuncture, which requires, no matter how grandiloquent it may sound: decisive and immediate actions, which, in my opinion, should be implemented , today's political elite is hardly capable.
              1. Kesha1980
                Kesha1980 28 July 2022 11: 59
                +2
                piece production (manufactories working on foreign components

                Ha! Find at least one manufacturer in the world without foreign participation in all technological and raw materials production processes. This is impossible and is recognized by all participants in the global market of this industry!
                Auto industry? Well, if I'm too lazy to look, then I'll help
                "32 types of microcircuits are ready for development and can be produced on our existing equipment, and in the near future another 40 types can be developed and put into production, which will allow us to multiply the localization in electronic components for the automotive industry and bring it up to 80 percent," he said. Deputy General Director for Commercial Activities of Mikron JSC Evgeny Kuzmin.

                The new products of Mikron are being actively developed by Russian automakers as part of the import substitution program.

                Not even 20. So the work is going on. But, it seems to me that for some reason you do not want to notice this and lead to the thought
                today's political elite is hardly capable.
                .
                I'm not interested in these topics at all. I take my leave.
                1. Dante Alighieri
                  Dante Alighieri 28 July 2022 12: 16
                  +1
                  Find at least one manufacturer in the world without foreign participation in all technological and raw materials production processes.

                  No one is talking about all industry chains, we are talking only about key areas, for example, our own production of semiconductors, without which modern electronics is impossible in principle.

                  And in general, good advice: stop unconditionally trusting officials, they will only tell you what management or investors want to hear, you will never know the real picture from them.
          2. EvilLion
            EvilLion 28 July 2022 11: 28
            -20
            The authorities were doing their job. If you do not understand, then the authorities do not have to explain anything to you.
            1. Dante Alighieri
              Dante Alighieri 28 July 2022 11: 51
              +8
              The authorities were doing their job. If you do not understand, then the authorities do not have to explain anything to you.

              Well, yes, we do not have a democracy, when the elected ruler reports to the population. Izh what the Herods thought. Give them freedom. This one is like her .... in, I remembered: the Constitution! And then what? Everyone will choose with whom to sleep? Without the sanctions of the party, competent comrades, and even without the blessing of the priest? Not order.
        2. Dartik
          Dartik 28 July 2022 10: 51
          -1
          So on the pictures of the country from the Western bloc, where is China?
          1. Kesha1980
            Kesha1980 28 July 2022 11: 20
            +1
            I recommend - a good overview of the global development of microelectronics (besides "fresh")
            https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1135859
        3. jdiver
          jdiver 28 July 2022 19: 07
          +1
          You can really keep quiet about electronics. China pours over 220 billion dollars into the development of its electronics

          Well, Galim China is pouring 220 billion greenery into its development of electronics. Our wise leaders chose to give more than 300 billion greenery to our enemies. This is probably a cunning plan that will soon help us win everywhere. No one was imprisoned, it seems, for these losses, which means that this is probably how it was intended. Why was it necessary to spend these 300 billion on your electronics, it’s better to just give them to the right guys right away. Yes, and in the budget not so long ago, if I am not mistaken, 17 trillion rubles were accumulated. It's much better when the money lies year after year without movement in the budget, and the real spheres of production are reduced. So we win, I think.
          1. Kesha1980
            Kesha1980 28 July 2022 19: 16
            -2
            Is it for this particular comment that you registered in August 18? You are the first comment. "Canned"? wink
            1. jdiver
              jdiver 28 July 2022 19: 27
              +2
              No, the Chukchi is not a writer, the Chukchi is a reader. Usually I do not get into the conversation of smart people. But your extremely optimistic comment made me want to answer :) Counter question: "Is your optimism sincere or on duty?"
      2. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 28 July 2022 12: 13
        -6
        under capitalism it will not be possible to build their own aircraft
  22. Hikaro
    Hikaro 28 July 2022 09: 50
    +6
    Dragging out the conflict! Has its pros and cons! The first economic exhaustion, first of all, Ukraine is weaker, according to the conclusions, it can die faster, but in fact the help of the West is still colossal, and it allows you to fight! People get tired and start to run away from the war, but in fact the Ukrainians, driven to despair, will go to the front themselves, because they are still paying for battles there! And somehow you have to survive! And yes, more and more people in Ukraine hate Russia more and more every day, and this is true, it must also be taken into account !! Not to mention the families where there are dead fathers, sons and brothers! Therefore, I also agree with the author of the article! For Ukraine, a terrible end is better than endless horror!!
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      1. Kesha1980
        Kesha1980 28 July 2022 10: 40
        0
        Do not imitate even rhetorically. The method of dealing with the Nazis is known.
        Last lunch after Nuremberg
  23. spektr9
    spektr9 28 July 2022 10: 17
    +7
    Maybe I'm stupid, but explain what mobilization will give if we do not deliver critical air strikes on enemy cities and ways to supply it with Western weapons?
    Or just fill up the enemy with meat? So the West will throw PMCs and there will be no superiority in manpower

    Just take it and deliver massive strikes against the mobilization potential of Ukraine, along supply routes, until the air defense of Ukraine has been increased, there is no other way out
    1. Russian Patriot
      Russian Patriot 28 July 2022 10: 32
      -3
      Mobilization will be useful if normal supply and air cover for the troops are established.
      Now, even for the current group participating in the NWO, there is none of this.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 28 July 2022 11: 50
        -14
        Hold 500 pigs, grunted.
    2. leks
      leks 28 July 2022 11: 13
      +7
      Quote: spektr9
      Maybe I'm stupid, but explain what mobilization will give if we do not deliver critical air strikes on enemy cities and ways to supply it with Western weapons?
      Or just fill up the enemy with meat? So the West will throw PMCs and there will be no superiority in manpower

      Just take it and deliver massive strikes against the mobilization potential of Ukraine, along supply routes, until the air defense of Ukraine has been increased, there is no other way out

      I'll try to explain how "sofa expert"
      Roughly speaking, 200 thousand soldiers and officers, plus N the number of militias and PMCs, are participating in the SVO on our part, let there be another 50 thousand. This group is now located in the Kharkiv, Luhansk, Kherson, Zaporozhye regions, these are thousands of settlements and hundreds of kilometers of the front line.
      In order to keep it, people are needed, in order to conduct offensive military operations, people are needed, rotation of troops, rest, regrouping are needed.
      The advanced shock units went forward, the rear was occupied by reservists.
      Our main strike group of troops is located in the Donbass and has switched to positional battles. The distance from Kherson to Nikolaev is 70 km, but in the end, there is simply nothing to attack and take Nikolaev, and over these 5 months, the Ukrainians have become very well entrenched there
      I hope at least there are people for defense.
      How do you write to deliver massive blows to the mobilization potential, but with what and how? Yes, and do not want our military-political leadership. Air defense and aviation of ukrov, our aviation has not been completely destroyed now, it doesn’t stick its nose further than the front line, there won’t be enough missiles for everything and everyone.
      At this time, the Ukrainians are mobilizing, preparing shock units in the west of the country. Most likely, the author of the article is right that after the exhaustion of ours, the Ukrainians will begin more intense offensive actions.
      1. flicker
        flicker 28 July 2022 12: 16
        -6
        Most likely the author of the article is right
        Yeah, I'm afraid, but I think the author of the article pursues other goals.)
        1. leks
          leks 28 July 2022 12: 43
          +4
          Quote: flicker
          Most likely the author of the article is right
          Yeah, I'm afraid, but I think the author of the article pursues other goals.)

          Yes, what are the goals of this author?
          As for the supercomputer, how is it planning military operations, that from the first days of the NWO, everything went in one place !?
          1. flicker
            flicker 28 July 2022 14: 01
            -1
            Yes, what are the goals of this author?
            Question the military operation in Ukraine as such. But in the beginning it is necessary to suggest that
            that from the first days of the NWO, everything went in one place !?
            which, as you can see, already works.
            ---
            When making such decisions (fateful for the country), they start from the ratio: costs - acquisitions.

            So, from this ratio, the most favorable situation would be (costs are minimal - acquisitions are maximum), whenever parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine would withdraw from the front and go to Kyiv. Then the situation would be resolved with minimal costs not only for us, but also for Ukraine.

            And even if the probability of the situation developing in this way was minimal (let's say 1 chance out of 1000) anyway, it was necessary to use this chance.
            Since the realization of this chance (1 in 1000) outweighed the rest 999.

            And once again, it was the most favorable option not only for us, but also for the state of Ukraine.
            We gave Ukraine this chance, but Ukraine blew this chance and chose a bloody and murderous option for its state and people.
            1. leks
              leks 28 July 2022 14: 11
              +1
              Quote: flicker
              Yes, what are the goals of this author?
              Question the military operation in Ukraine as such. But in the beginning it is necessary to suggest that
              that from the first days of the NWO, everything went in one place !?
              which, as you can see, already works.
              ---
              When making such decisions (fateful for the country), they start from the ratio: costs - acquisitions.

              So, from this ratio, the most favorable situation would be (costs are minimal - acquisitions are maximum), whenever parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine would withdraw from the front and go to Kyiv. Then the situation would be resolved with minimal costs not only for us, but also for Ukraine.

              And even if the probability of the situation developing in this way was minimal (let's say 1 chance out of 1000) anyway, it was necessary to use this chance.
              Since the realization of this chance (1 in 1000) outweighed the rest 999.

              And once again, it was the most favorable option not only for us, but also for the state of Ukraine.
              We gave Ukraine this chance, but Ukraine blew this chance and chose a bloody and murderous option for its state and people.

              I apologize for my cheeky response.
              But this is complete nonsense for me - the type poked at the 1k1000 option, and as a result, the military-political leadership began
              talk about a chance for dill, about gestures of goodwill, etc., etc., but in fact they didn’t master it.
              You think that everything is going as predicted by your computer and the General Staff of the Russian Federation is your right. My right is to doubt that we can overcome it with the forces that we have. No supercomputer in the world can predict how this will end. This issue will be decided by the soldiers and officers of the Russian Federation and allied forces.
              1. flicker
                flicker 28 July 2022 14: 46
                0
                But this is complete nonsense for me.
                That's exactly what's for you. "Type poked" is the level of your analysis. Once again, your analysis.
                So these are your problems, not the problems of the General Staff.
                The General Staff is not supposed to solve the problems of your understanding of the situation.
                ---
                No supercomputer in the world can predict how this will end.
                The computer does not have to predict, it only processes all the quantitative characteristics and compares them: let's say how many forces (and what) the enemy has in defense on a specific sector of the front, how many forces (and what) are needed to break through it there, logistical capabilities ( own and enemy), etc. etc.
                This issue will be decided by the soldiers and officers of the Russian Federation and allied forces.
                They decide it.
                In fact, we outnumbered (peacetime army) we lead successful offensive operation, against forces under the control of NATO headquarters.
                1. leks
                  leks 28 July 2022 14: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: flicker
                  But this is complete nonsense for me.
                  That's exactly what's for you. "Type poked" is the level of your analysis. Once again, your analysis.
                  So these are your problems, not the problems of the General Staff.
                  The General Staff is not supposed to solve the problems of your understanding of the situation.
                  ---
                  No supercomputer in the world can predict how this will end.
                  The computer does not have to predict, it only processes all the quantitative characteristics and compares them: let's say how many forces (and what) the enemy has in defense on a specific sector of the front, how many forces (and what) are needed to break through it there, logistical capabilities ( own and enemy), etc. etc.
                  This issue will be decided by the soldiers and officers of the Russian Federation and allied forces.
                  They decide it.
                  In fact, we outnumbered (peacetime army) we lead successful offensive operation, against forces under the control of NATO headquarters.

                  Let's say they entered incorrect data into your supercomputer and your whole theory is down the drain. They introduced that there were 1k soldiers in this section, and there turned out to be 5k.
                  They introduced that the population would be loyal, but in the end they were not met with flowers. They entered data that the enemy would remove part of the troops from some direction, but in the end did not withdraw or removed but not from what was needed. Well, you continue to believe in a super-duper computer that depends entirely on the data that it receives, but it’s not a fact that they were accurate in the end and the computer ultimately delivered an incorrect verdict.
                  1. flicker
                    flicker 28 July 2022 16: 27
                    -4
                    Let's say they entered incorrect data into your supercomputer and your whole theory is down the drain. They introduced that there were 1k soldiers in this section, and there turned out to be 5k.
                    They introduced that the population would be loyal, but in the end they were not met with flowers. They entered data that the enemy would remove part of the troops from some direction, but in the end did not withdraw or removed but not from what was needed. Well, you continue to believe in a super-duper computer that depends entirely on the data that it receives, but it’s not a fact that they were accurate in the end and the computer ultimately delivered an incorrect verdict.

                    good
                    Well, yes, you also enter incorrect data into the calculator. We decided that the refrigerator costs 100 r, and you have 200 r, divided it, got 2 refrigerators, came and began to demand 2 refrigerators, well ...)
                    And this is not my theory.
                    There is a discipline called "decision theory".
                    In a nutshell, its main task is to "search for the optimal solution."
                    The optimal solution is selected from the ratio: costs and acquisitions.
                    ---
                    As for the input data, they are rechecked more than once before they are entered, in addition, situations are calculated when the input data changes.
                    ---
                    As for "they didn't meet with flowers," this is generally nonsense, which is only talked about here in VO.
                    No one ever takes into account the "flowers" factor when making a decision of this scale, just like the factor of the Ukrainian oligarchs (Medvedchuks, Ahmedchuks), because they decide little.
                    The only serious factor in these conditions were the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
                    A lot depended on their position. But they blew their country. They did not realize that Ukraine would have won if they had marched on Kyiv.
                    ---
                    As for us, we were ready for such a turn of events, and therefore from the very beginning of the operation they took Kherson, Melitopol, Berdyansk, Energodar, etc.
                    1. leks
                      leks 28 July 2022 17: 27
                      +1
                      Quote: flicker
                      Well, yes, you also enter incorrect data into the calculator. We decided that the refrigerator costs 100 r, and you have 200 r, divided it, got 2 refrigerators, came and began to demand 2 refrigerators, well ...)

                      And here you compare a calculator or a supercomputer with a calculator!? Even in this case, having calculated everything at home on a calculator, you will not buy a refrigerator when you come to the store, since the data you entered that you checked a hundred times will turn out to be incorrect and you will end up with a smaller amount.
                      Quote: flicker
                      No one ever takes into account the "flowers" factor when making a decision of this scale, just like the factor of the Ukrainian oligarchs (Medvedchuks, Ahmedchuks), because they decide little.

                      Well, of course, it was not taken into account, they went to fight in idle columns stretching for kilometers, without cover and without reconnaissance. Forgot
                      something like how our fighters rode around Nikolaev and Kharkov on tigers, and then these tigers were burned and some guys were laid down, some were taken prisoner.
                      Quote: flicker
                      The only serious factor in these conditions were the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
                      A lot depended on their position. But they blew their country. They did not realize that Ukraine would have won if they had marched on Kyiv.

                      In what place did they squander the country, something is not visible tens of thousands of surrendered soldiers, something is not visible how the whole began to fight against Ze and others, but only stubborn resistance.
                      You stop passing off fantasies as reality.
                      1. flicker
                        flicker 28 July 2022 17: 49
                        -2
                        And here you compare a calculator or a supercomputer with a calculator!? Even in this case, having calculated everything at home on a calculator, you will not buy a refrigerator when you come to the store, since the data you entered that you checked a hundred times will turn out to be incorrect and you will end up with a smaller amount.
                        You see, you immediately noticed the error!
                        Well, there are people in the General Staff who don’t notice such mistakes, right? request smile
                        without cover and without reconnaissance. Forgot
                        something like how our fighters rode around Nikolaev and Kharkov on tigers, and then these tigers were burned and some guys were laid down, some were taken prisoner.

                        In what place did they squander the country, something is not visible tens of thousands of surrendered soldiers, something is not visible how the whole began to fight against Ze and others, but only stubborn resistance.

                        Once again, we gave the Armed Forces of Ukraine a chance for a bloodless solution to the situation, namely: to take power into their own hands. In this scenario, the state of Ukraine would have survived.
                        But they chose a bloody path, and as a result, according to various estimates, the loss of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is over 100 thousand (!) This is without taking into account the wounded.
                        As a result: their population was considerably reduced, and the main state of Ukraine was lost.
                        ---
                        Yes, we had to fight (although we wanted to avoid it). And therefore from Ukraine now there will be NOTHING left!
                        Well? Who lost more?
      2. spektr9
        spektr9 28 July 2022 13: 10
        -4
        How do you write to deliver massive blows to the mobilization potential, but with what and how?

        The strikes are carried out by aircraft, as I suggest mass raids and scorched earth tactics. There are strategic bombers, there are conversions for free-falling and strikes. According to the air defense points that will prove themselves, work out the topic of the same su-34.
        Missiles if they are used as it is now, it is clear that there will not be enough, where a couple of tons of explosives are needed, one 250 kg caliber warhead arrives
        I repeat, put up a million, tomorrow the West will pull up and give out mercenaries one and a half times more and everything will be the same as now

        Regarding the fact that
        Most likely, the author of the article is right that after the exhaustion of ours, the Ukrainians will begin more intense offensive actions

        I think everyone understands this, so this miracle of attrition does not make sense. But mass mobilization is never a panacea
        1. leks
          leks 28 July 2022 13: 27
          +1
          Quote: spektr9
          How do you write to deliver massive blows to the mobilization potential, but with what and how?

          The strikes are carried out by aircraft, as I suggest mass raids and scorched earth tactics. There are strategic bombers, there are conversions for free-falling and strikes. According to the air defense points that will prove themselves, work out the topic of the same su-34.
          Missiles if they are used as it is now, it is clear that there will not be enough, where a couple of tons of explosives are needed, one 250 kg caliber warhead arrives
          I repeat, put up a million, tomorrow the West will pull up and give out mercenaries one and a half times more and everything will be the same as now

          Regarding the fact that
          Most likely, the author of the article is right that after the exhaustion of ours, the Ukrainians will begin more intense offensive actions

          I think everyone understands this, so this miracle of attrition does not make sense. But mass mobilization is never a panacea

          Free-falling bombs need to go into the air defense zone. For what purposes did they gather to conduct the tactics of scorched earth, along Avdeevka, along Seversk, along Nikolaev and do not care about the population. There are no more than 5 thousand mercenaries and no more are expected. It’s easier to train mobilized ukrov, and in 5 months you can train a sufficient number and not pros, but everything comes with time. Nobody talks about mass mobilization. They write about a well-planned partial mobilization.
      3. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 28 July 2022 14: 47
        -1
        Quote: leks
        Our main strike group of troops is located in the Donbass and has switched to positional battles.

        You first look at the chronicle of hostilities and only then broadcast.
        1. leks
          leks 28 July 2022 15: 03
          0
          Quote: Alexey Sedykin
          Quote: leks
          Our main strike group of troops is located in the Donbass and has switched to positional battles.

          You first look at the chronicle of hostilities and only then broadcast.

          What exactly is wrong? I don't write like a super expert. Positional battles for me are like knocking out the enemy, entrenched and ironing the neighboring fortified area, further reconnaissance after reconnaissance, assault or further ironing. I'm not writing that you need to storm ahead. They took a position breaking the next one.
          1. alexey sidykin
            alexey sidykin 28 July 2022 17: 52
            -1
            Positional battles are when they sit in their trenches for months exchanging fire at each other ... when neither back nor forward. Conscience does not allow backwards, but it does not give strength forward. Positional battles are what happened in all previous years in the Donbass. And what is now - slow progress.
    3. IvanSviridov
      IvanSviridov 3 August 2022 01: 41
      0
      "until the air defense of Ukraine has been increased" The bad luck is that they have already increased it in comparison with February-March. Russian air defense, however, has also become more effective since February. But that doesn't make it any easier for the pilots.
  24. Russian Patriot
    Russian Patriot 28 July 2022 10: 29
    +3
    The article is like a cold shower. Makes you wake up after "everything is fine, beautiful marquise ..." from our media.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 28 July 2022 11: 27
      -13
      Well, how is it possible to live on 500 pigs a day in Kievisho?
  25. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 28 July 2022 10: 50
    -7
    And again, Biryukov, everything was gone, and the references to Girkin and some kind of political scientist were not the same .. Hmm ...
    1. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 28 July 2022 14: 49
      -4
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      And again, Biryukov, everything was gone, and the references to Girkin and some kind of political scientist were not the same .. Hmm ...

      It's like this all the time here fellow
  26. Luminman
    Luminman 28 July 2022 10: 58
    -2
    Quote: ivan2022
    "to equip Russia" so that "we do not feed the republic"

    In your opinion, did the republics feed Russia?
  27. sailor
    sailor 28 July 2022 11: 15
    -1
    Gentlemen couch generals! Do you really think that they are alone in the General Staff
    1. flicker
      flicker 28 July 2022 12: 11
      -7
      Do you really think that they are alone in the General Staff
      Maybe they think, but rather want us to think so.
      A little lower I posted a video just to enlighten the "couch generals" to whom you addressed.
  28. 1536
    1536 28 July 2022 11: 19
    -2
    I would like to believe that the goals have been achieved, at least in the sense that in Russia itself there is a "change of milestones" and the top of the bourgeoisie, aimed at selling minerals and exporting capital from the country under the motto: "you need to earn money in Russia, but live in the West", lost power, or at least removed from it. And it was replaced by representatives of the bourgeoisie, aimed at the development of the country, including the development of its labor resources, in order to "earn and live in Russia". It is for this that it is necessary that around it there are not armed gangs with a developed criminal infrastructure, acting under the guise of "state" forms of government, but friendly national states interested in economic, political, informational, scientific, cultural and educational interaction between themselves and with Russia , of course, mutually beneficial for all. If this main task is solved, then the development of the territories of the former USSR will go by leaps and bounds, and the well-being of the peoples will reach a completely new level. This is how they wanted to live in the USSR in the late 1980s and early 1990s. But, alas ... In Russia, this understanding came only after more than 30 years of continuous ordeals, pushing through closed doors, running on the spot and playing blindfold blindfolds with your own shadow, if you can allegorically express how it went development of our country all these years. Although it is hardly possible to blame anyone for this, especially since a lot has been achieved no matter what. If this is not so, and everything that is declared today at all levels in the media is a bluff for the countries of the West and the United States, as at least one can understand from the words and statements of some political scientists and propagandists, then think about what will happen "tomorrow -the day after tomorrow" I don’t feel like it at all, because it’s clear and so. Then, as always happens in Russia, let's hope for the best, but prepare for the worst?
    1. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 28 July 2022 11: 48
      +1
      I would like to believe that the goals have been achieved, at least in the sense that in Russia itself there is a "change of milestones" and the top of the bourgeoisie, aimed at selling minerals and exporting capital from the country under the motto: "you need to earn in Russia, but live in the West", lost power, or at least removed from it. And they replaced her representatives of the bourgeoisie, aimed at the development of the country, including the development of its labor resources, in order to "earn and live in Russia."

      And can I ask a question - WHERE did they come from and who are they - can you name, at least 10 such "neon Russians"? repeat wassat
  29. EvilLion
    EvilLion 28 July 2022 11: 26
    -4
    Another sectarian shooter.
  30. flicker
    flicker 28 July 2022 11: 35
    -10
    Why does the operational pause threaten to develop into a positional impasse?

    Political scientist Sergei Markov, Medvedchuks, Khodorchuks, and other saviors. What they don't write.
    Trying to “grind” the Ukrainian army and take it to starvation, you can fall into a trap
    and you might not get in.
    For those who are interested, I recommend
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    1. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 28 July 2022 12: 25
      +1
      Quote: Honest_Patriot
      Putin plays long! While all these presidents of other countries flew out of their seats, Putin is gaining experience. Now he is the most experienced president in the world! And there will be another 20 years in power and there will be even more experience. Now he is playing cat and mouse with the whole world and will undoubtedly win. I believe him. We all believe him!
      I consider this article decadent and parazhenskaya. We must be honest, face the truth, BUT! Look as required by our leaders and firmly crack down on all sorts of agents, like Navalny. We chose them, they are our best representatives. Although I am against elections and democracy - what rubbish crawled out, a thief sits on a thief and drives a corrupt official!

      A slander on our government!!! wassat laughing

      We must be honest, face the truth, BUT! See the way our leaders want

      Can I have exact instructions? How to face the truth CORRECTLY... belay repeat
  32. Atmospheric QUEEN
    Atmospheric QUEEN 28 July 2022 12: 19
    -2
    It's time to understand that the war cannot be won with the pity of the civilian population. Moreover, in the territories not yet occupied by us, it is not so peaceful. Most of them are against us. It's time to apply carpet bombing by warning the very civilian population about it. Giving him 10 days to leave the combat areas. Well, then, who did not hide, I'm not to blame. Winter ahead. The Ukrainian troops have a more advantageous position. Even retreating, they occupy warm places, and ours walk on plowed land. There is very little time to think. It's time to really take action.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 28 July 2022 13: 16
      0
      What kind of carpet bombing with unsuppressed air defense?
      1. AdAstra
        AdAstra 28 July 2022 23: 08
        0
        How not depressed? But how did they write about our air supremacy?
    2. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 28 July 2022 14: 53
      -4
      And then what? The scorched earth that we aostonavlivpt and populate and by whom? For the population of Ukraine in this case will certainly not accept us ...
  33. gromit
    gromit 28 July 2022 12: 21
    +8
    Denazification, demilitarization, protection of civilians of the LDNR.
    It is necessary to revise the February address of the GDP more often, otherwise you can inadvertently forget how the success of the SVO is measured.
    Failure to achieve the stated objectives in the war is called defeat.
    Although Solovyov, of course, will convincingly explain to us that there are nuances and we have misunderstood everything. That NWO can continue for several years and we are not accustomed to fighting, and indeed, suffering in general is cleansed.
    And in 3 years we will bravura announce the completion of the SVO and we will meet our soldiers with flowers.
  34. Poor Yorick
    Poor Yorick 28 July 2022 12: 22
    +10
    Thanks to the author for asking such uncomfortable questions, with a protracted conflict in the battle of economies, I am not at all sure that this is a victorious path for us
  35. alexey sidykin
    alexey sidykin 28 July 2022 12: 25
    -9
    Twenty-five again... near Donetsk, slowly grinding the forces of dill, we are advancing. But "individual" irresponsible personalities" keep on talking about some kind of pause ... Maybe they, these personalities, themselves should be sent to storm the fortifications of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? And referring to Markov is even more trenchant than to Girkin ... Markov is such a military expert Directly on a direct line with the Moscow Region and personally with Shoigu.
  36. Nastia makarova
    Nastia makarova 28 July 2022 12: 26
    +4
    mobilized will also pay 200k per month??? or their families?
    1. Arnok
      Arnok 29 July 2022 15: 37
      0
      This is a really good question! Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye ...
    2. IvanSviridov
      IvanSviridov 3 August 2022 01: 49
      -2
      What for? They are mobilized!
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 3 August 2022 06: 39
        0
        what do you mean why? How will the family live? so that there are no riots and excuses
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  38. DO
    DO 28 July 2022 13: 03
    -1
    There is an opinion that Russia is capable of achieving victory without mobilizing and transferring industry to a military footing, but it cannot withstand a collision with reality.

    If we understand the mobilization in Russia simply as an event to increase the number of infantry in the NMD and the subsequent offensive by these forces, then most likely it will not lead to anything significant other than heavy losses. For the West is supplying Ukraine with a sufficient number of cannon artillery, MLRS, drones, ATGMs, MANPADS and trained specialists to use all of this to bleed the Russian army and disrupt the Russian offensive.
    Therefore, mobilization into the Russian military industry is more relevant today, in order to saturate the troops with reconnaissance drones (including heavy radar reconnaissance drones) and other means of counter-battery combat, modernize fighters, tactical bombers, attack aircraft and helicopters of "venerable age" into drones, increase the production of Caliber , replenishment of the satellite constellation, electronic warfare and means of destroying enemy drones, etc.
    That is, the transfer of industry to war footing.
    1. Slavutich
      Slavutich 28 July 2022 14: 00
      +6
      If we understand the mobilization in Russia simply as an event to increase the number of infantry in the NMD and the subsequent offensive by these forces, then most likely it will not lead to anything significant other than heavy losses.

      Mobilization should be, first of all, military pensioners of certain ages, mobilization from other power structures in the Armed Forces, and not as "partisans" under their own banners. It is in the ranks of the Armed Forces, and not to breed partisans.
      This will ensure the echelons in the defense, the strengthening of the front, the possibility of maneuver. Change, finally, of specialists or strengthening of rear services.
      Now there are no reserves, it is not possible to conduct real offensive operations.
      Therefore, mobilization into the Russian military industry is more relevant today, in order to saturate the troops with reconnaissance drones (including heavy radar reconnaissance drones) and other means of counter-battery combat, modernize fighters, tactical bombers, attack aircraft and helicopters of "venerable age" into drones, increase the production of Caliber

      Where to mobilize?
      What are you speaking about?
      There are production facilities that can be used, but they are gathering dust?
      Are there specialists at other enterprises who sit and do nothing?
      is there at least some kind of "kulibin" who converted an attack aircraft from a museum, of venerable age, into a drone? Why didn't he do this 2 or 5 years ago?
      Whom to mobilize in production? Specialists from Sberbank or Magnit?
      Such ideas are directly the exam in action. good
      1. DO
        DO 28 July 2022 15: 13
        +1
        Mobilization should be, first of all, military pensioners of certain ages, mobilization from other power structures in the Armed Forces ...
        This will ensure the echelons in the defense, the strengthening of the front, the possibility of maneuver. Change, finally, of specialists

        Artillery specialists should be replaced by trained artillerymen, tankers by tankers. Pence, on the other hand, still needs to remember everything at the appropriate courses, and their legs are not the same to run away from shelling. And policemen, Russian guards and FSB specialists are useful for anti-terrorist work and maintaining martial law in the restless liberated territories.
        Where to mobilize?
        What are you speaking about? ...

        The flow of modern Western weapons must be countered by Russian modern weapons.
        The abundance of Russian artillery is good, but it is necessary to saturate the troops with modern means of reconnaissance and guidance.
        Without military mobilization of intellect, Russia's long-term conduct of modern military operations is impossible. Nothing foreshadows their imminent end.
        Do you think that the military mobilization of the Russian industry is not feasible? But such views are nothing but defeatism.
        1. Slavutich
          Slavutich 28 July 2022 17: 12
          +2
          but it is necessary to saturate the troops with modern means of reconnaissance and guidance.

          Who are you giving orders to? Who should run as fast as possible to fulfill?
          Why didn't you give the order five years ago? Ten years ago?
          Why hasn't the industry been mobilized yet?
          Without military mobilization of intellect, Russia's long-term conduct of modern military operations is impossible.

          What kind of defeatism is this?
          Pence, on the other hand, still needs to remember everything at the appropriate courses, and their legs are not the same to run away from shelling. And policemen, Russian guardsmen and FSB specialists are useful for anti-terrorist work

          What is the most military registration specialty, so they put everything in stripes: to whom, where? Or a technical specialty for the mobilization industry?
          Or consider:
          The flow of modern Western weapons must be countered by Russian modern weapons.

          What are we with sticks and clubs?

          It is necessary to do, it is necessary to organize, everyone was given a task, where to distribute whom.
          Who are you giving orders to? Government, Mrs. thought or ... much higher?
          1. DO
            DO 28 July 2022 18: 12
            +1
            Who are you giving orders to? Government, Mrs. thought or ... much higher?

            :)))
            I appreciated your sense of humor!
            :)))
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 28 July 2022 15: 06
      0
      everything is right to call only those who served in the Airborne Forces and special forces
    3. IvanSviridov
      IvanSviridov 3 August 2022 01: 58
      0
      It's a little too late to do this. That is, to increase the gross production of tank armor, yes, we can. As for the high-tech components ...... In conditions of essentially a blockade .... No, well, you can try. It won't get worse. But I'm afraid it's better...
  39. Moneron
    Moneron 28 July 2022 13: 07
    +11
    in the eyes of a simple Russian layman ....
    on "hapok", as with the Crimea, it did not work ....
    but according to all the rules of military art, we don’t know how ... because we don’t respect these rules .... we carry out rural improvisation in Ukraine, persistently passing it off as the "last peep" of the military :case .... :request ...unsuccessfully trying to save the prestige of the country, tarnished for 5 months of unsuccessful battles.
  40. Konnick
    Konnick 28 July 2022 13: 36
    +1
    You can not make an operational pause in defense.
    Yesterday I went to work in Novorossiysk, in the district of Dzhiginki I met several columns traveling to the NVO, one, under the flag of Kabardino-Balkaria, was very picturesque, with gray-haired bearded men. Oncoming cars greeted the convoy with signals.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 28 July 2022 15: 04
      0
      gray-haired bearded men will show ukram
  41. Popenko
    Popenko 28 July 2022 13: 49
    -7
    It seems to me that anyone who has spent at least a couple of weeks at the front and at least once went on the attack has the right to criticize the actions of our command. And now, we should all be concerned with only one thing - how to help. We will beat up the results and settle scores after the Victory.
    1. agond
      agond 28 July 2022 14: 42
      0
      The art of war lies in the ability to use the advantages, if it lies in artillery, aviation and missiles, then you need to use it to the fullest, and then bring it from Europe to the east of Ukraine, this is not as close and easy as from Russia to Donetsk, for the result you need that if the quantity turned into quality, for example, hundreds of 152mm barrels per kilometer of front near Donetsk
    2. DominickS
      DominickS 28 July 2022 15: 17
      +12
      Anyone who pays taxes and checks the ballot once every six years has the right to criticize his actions. We still have democracy, at least on paper, and no one has declared martial law.
  42. bar
    bar 28 July 2022 14: 35
    -15
    I haven't been here in a while. And earlier, a sect of "missing polymers" lived in the VO, and thanks to the NWO campaign, it multiplied powerfully and was reborn into the 5th column of whining defeatists. The resource is completely rotten, it's time to dispose of it. No more foot here. disgusting (((
    1. canurodes
      canurodes 28 July 2022 15: 01
      +12
      And what sect are you from, "we'll throw hats", "everyone was defeated by the 1,2,3 issue", "analogous"?
  43. Rostock
    Rostock 28 July 2022 14: 50
    +4
    On the very first day of the NMD, I wrote (on another resource) that Ukraine cannot be taken by such forces. For such a task, a million-strong army (minimum) is needed. I was then called a fool and an all-weather. Time has judged who was right. As for today's time. Ours will squeeze the Ukrainians out of the Donbass and advance along the Nikolaev-Odessa line with access to the PMR. Under this case, even maps are published where the neighboring states have divided Ukraine into parts. I wonder if they know? The bad scenario for us is already coming true. We understand that we cannot take all of Ukraine, but leaving at least part of it is already a mistake. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are fighting competently and the hand of Western curators is felt. I believe ours are waiting for the cold weather so that the West becomes more accommodating and cuts aid to Ukraine in exchange for energy resources. Perhaps as a temporary solution, it will do, but if we do not take the whole of Ukraine, then in the future this will lead to a new war. And here is our second mistake. Without at least partial mobilization, we are not preparing our people for a future war with the armies of NATO. Partially, this task has been solved now through the formation of volunteer battalions. And the last. Another mistake of ours is the use of Soviet symbols in the NWO. I understand why this is happening, but in Ukraine and in the West it is perceived solely as an attempt to revive the USSR and communism, which causes even more old fears and hatred.
  44. netzer
    netzer 28 July 2022 15: 04
    0
    The Russia is conquering now towards Artyomovsk/Bakhmut, from its south by Wagner PMC (Uglegorsk, Novolugansk, Vershyna, Pokrovske) and its east by DPR/LPR (via the eastern, southern and western suburbs of Soledar) - in a vector encircling Seversk , which has lost its defenders at least once.
  45. DominickS
    DominickS 28 July 2022 15: 11
    0
    Quote: DO
    That is, the transfer of industry to war footing.

    It has already been written a hundred times that she is already on a military track, as far as she is capable. How long can you operate with the concepts of the times of the Second World War?
    1. DO
      DO 28 July 2022 16: 00
      +7
      It has already been written a hundred times that she is already on a military track, as far as she is capable.

      So far, only TV is on military rails :)))
  46. lopvlad
    lopvlad 28 July 2022 15: 54
    -4
    The most important thing in this entire article is these lines

    There is an opinion that Russia is capable of achieving victory without mobilizing and transferring industry to a military footing, but it cannot withstand a collision with reality. So far, the allied forces cannot even liberate the Donbass, and the military conflict is close to a “hot freeze”. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, in turn, are preparing for counterattacks, under the supervision of Western "partners". Even if we assume that all of them will be successfully repulsed, with the current alignment of forces, the war may finally take on the character of a positional one, and the front line will stabilize in the current configuration.


    after which any person "in the subject" begins to perfectly understand the depth of the author's incompetence in this matter.
    And now, point by point:

    1) The lifespan in a modern war on the battlefield of mobilized unprepared cannon fodder is on average less than 5 minutes (although quite seasoned specialists voice the figure of 2 minutes). Therefore, the only effect of such a mobilization will be only in the form of a huge number of coffins with such mobilized people and the growth of discontent within the country with the Russian state being shaken from the inside.

    2) The military industry of Russia since the beginning of the SVO has already been transferred to a military footing and works around the clock. Otherwise, we would have long ago run out of all high-altitude weapons and those same calibers.

    3) For all 8 years, Ukraine has been turning the settlements of Donbass and Kharkiv under its control into an impregnable line of defense, pumping them up to the limit with weapons and concentrating all the most trained armed Ukrainian formations in this direction.

    4) The Armed Forces of Ukraine have shown that they can conduct the only successful military operations only under the guise of civilians, and in open areas they can only run and suffer losses. That is why so many waves of mobilization have already been carried out in Ukraine because the retiring cannon fodder needs to be replenished with something.
    And all this in conditions when the entire united West is working on Ukraine in terms of providing intelligence, which provides round-the-clock satellite data on the movement of Russian troops actually online (the Western satellite constellation takes pictures of the same area in an interval that does not exceed 10 minutes) + transmits coordinates of the Russian military, their warehouses and weapons that need to be struck).

    ) In order for the war to become positional and the front line to stabilize for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they need to take hundreds of thousands of trained, trained, "fired" reservists from somewhere, which you can’t draw from the air, but cannon fodder, besides pre-retirement age, even with several weeks of training, this is not By the way, in the last month, this was sharply understood in the military leadership of Ukraine, which began to locate its most combat-ready units on the last line of defense in an effort to preserve and saturate the first line with exclusively mobilized cannon fodder.
  47. nik-mazur
    nik-mazur 28 July 2022 16: 06
    -5
    ... It was assumed that the battles that ensued in these cities would lead to the collapse of the system of state power in Ukraine ...
    I always envied a little, in fact, ordinary inhabitants without military specialties, without positions, without permits, which the General Staff (and sometimes the president himself), for some reason, informs about his plans and intentions.

    ... Curators of Ukraine from the USA and Britain responded to this with the supply of APU MLRS HIMARS ...
    The witness of St. Himars on duty jerked off on as many as eight American wunderwaffles, which terrified the entire Russian group almost to the point of complete loss of combat capability. And you won’t object, because all right-minded people have long known that American means the best.

    ..famous Russian political scientist Sergei Markov... ...Reserved FSB colonel Igor Strelkov... ...Viktor Biryukov...
    Who are all these people?
    In general, it turns out funny with this ̶v̶o̶y̶n̶... special operation - there are people who decide nothing, but everyone knows them; and there are people who rule everything, but no one knows them. And the first in the eyes of Internet users is much more authoritative than the second ...
  48. cmax
    cmax 28 July 2022 16: 37
    +5
    Hey, lovers of complex ideas, that's the way it should be, the operation is proceeding according to plan. "Chief is fine." It was the 155th day of the operation, today in Kyiv the President of Lithuania presented the Order to Zele, spoke in the Duma, congratulated him on the good defense and wished to defeat the Russian troops. Probably the way it should be, yes! Well, we will wait until it will be so, if the Russian leadership does not wake up and take off the rose-colored glasses, and also does not stop listening to General Kanashenkov (I exaggerate). Donbass is being hammered every day, and he tells stories about 100, 200, 500 destroyed enemies every day. It's time to move on to the thousands. Maybe it would not be worth starting all this, since "Victory" is being made by Kanashenkov's reports. I hope that Russia will nevertheless prevail in this operation, there is simply no other way out.
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 29 July 2022 22: 57
      0
      Quote: cmax
      Donbass is being hammered every day, and he tells stories about 100, 200, 500 destroyed enemies every day. It's time to move on to thousands.


      the solution is simple and consists in forcibly forming a BTG from "mega-soldiers", "couch marshals", "superstate tags" who do not like the pace of advancement of the NVO in Ukraine and ask to show class, for example, in taking Avdiivka in a few days, while the civilians of Avdiivka itself should not get injured.
      In fact, so to speak, to show and thereby shame the Russian army that, in their opinion, is taking cities in Ukraine so slowly.
      1. cmax
        cmax 30 July 2022 05: 27
        +1
        Quote: lopvlad
        Quote: cmax
        Donbass is being hammered every day, and he tells stories about 100, 200, 500 destroyed enemies every day. It's time to move on to thousands.


        the solution is simple and consists in forcibly forming a BTG from "mega-soldiers", "couch marshals", "superstate tags" who do not like the pace of advancement of the NVO in Ukraine and ask to show class, for example, in taking Avdiivka in a few days, while the civilians of Avdiivka itself should not get injured.
        In fact, so to speak, to show and thereby shame the Russian army that, in their opinion, is taking cities in Ukraine so slowly.

        Hey adviser! I did not start this operation, no one asked me how and what. From those who planned everything so badly in the operation, who did not supply the army with the much-needed attack drones, avaxes, active armor protection systems, and so on and so forth, who takes a step forward, and then, in the order of a step of goodwill, two back and form your battalions. Don't forget yourself and the members of the circle of lovers, Mr. Kanashenkov and Solovyov. It's time to do something already, to decide on something, otherwise we will read on the 2555th day of the operation that they finally took the village ............ consisting of as many as 10 houses.
        1. IvanSviridov
          IvanSviridov 3 August 2022 02: 06
          0
          Not out of ten. Out of twelve! Twelve, defeatist!
  49. Adagka
    Adagka 28 July 2022 16: 42
    +1
    we have been fiddling with the Ukrainians for a long time for one simple reason - we have imposed restrictions on ourselves and are fighting for half a shot, because of this we have lost a lot of time just because the leadership is acting with caution and on the principle of no matter what happens. they would gouge the necessary bridges and railways in the first month and there would be no problems with the Hymars and other lend-lease now.
    1. nik-mazur
      nik-mazur 28 July 2022 17: 24
      -7
      Quote: Adagka
      ... they would gouge the necessary bridges and railways in the first month ...
      Presumably, you have already calculated how many thousands of tons of ammunition are needed in order to gouge all bridges and railways until it is completely impossible to move military cargo?
  50. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 28 July 2022 17: 33
    -7
    But I don’t like the author at all, or rather, his manner of whining and pessimism, as well as references to various kinds of "experts". Why do we have such a miserable General Staff and stupid leadership of the troops? Yes, there are shortcomings, sometimes serious, but this is a war, no matter how it is called differently!
    1. Novosibirsk
      Novosibirsk 2 August 2022 17: 31
      -1
      You can immediately see how many people with combat experience are here, given that you were actively downvoted - not at all. Or almost none.