Loitering ammunition "Lancet" in the Special Operation

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"Lancet-3" at the exhibition. Zala Aero Photos


Recently, the Russian army has been armed with loitering ammunition - unmanned aerial vehicles with their own warhead, capable of conducting reconnaissance and immediately hitting a found target. During the Special Operation, similar products of several types are used, incl. ammunition "Lancet-3". In recent weeks, the use of UAVs of this model has been repeatedly reported, and even the process of hitting targets was demonstrated.



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First news about the use of domestic loitering ammunition appeared in March, and since then they have been received regularly. However, until the beginning of June, only the combat work of the Cube family products from Zala Aero was reported. UAVs of the Lancet line, also developed by her, were not used - or episodes of their work did not get into the news.

The combat use of the Lancets became known on June 8 from the state corporation Rostec. She said that both types of loitering ammunition are used in the Special Operation. The advantages of such UAVs were noted: they are fast, silent, easy to operate and capable of attacking targets tens of kilometers from the launch point with high accuracy.


Ammunition used in mid-July in Zaporozhye. Photo Telegram / BMPD

Also, Rostec revealed the characteristic features and differences of the Lancet. This drone has a high level of autonomy, and also carries optoelectronic means. With the help of the latter, he can independently find a ground target and aim at it.

In mid-July, the use of the Lancets was confirmed by the enemy. A photograph of the UAV wreckage made in the Zaporizhia region has been distributed to Ukrainian resources. The fragments shown clearly belonged to Russian loitering munitions. Judging by the condition of the remaining units, the product was able to reach the target.

A few days later, on July 18, the fact of the use of UAVs was confirmed by a representative of the military-civilian administration of the Zaporozhye region. It was reported that the Russian army began to attack Ukrainian positions with the help of Lancet-3 products. Earlier in this direction weapon not used.


"Lancet" flies to the target - shooting with UAV optics. Frame from the video from "KP"

ammunition on video


Already on July 20, the first video materials appeared. Komsomolskaya Pravda published a video showing the combat operation of Russian UAVs and the use of loitering ammunition. The video was filmed in an unnamed area of ​​the Kherson region and contains footage filmed drones for different purposes.

It is shown how a reconnaissance UAV found camouflaged enemy armored personnel carriers and is following them. Then a picture is shown from the optics of the loitering ammunition. He takes the target for escort, and then begins flying towards it. The moment of hitting the target and undermining is again taken from the reconnaissance UAV. Another similar "arrival" on a ground target is also shown.

On July 22, military commander Alexander Kots posted another interesting video. It shows the use of the "Lancet" on a moving target. The target for the strike was a Ukrainian truck with a gun in tow. Enemy artillerymen moved along the road into the field and carried out maneuvers. Then the shooting from the loitering ammunition is shown. In a gentle dive, he flew up to the target and hit it. Further, a reconnaissance UAV filmed the burning remains of a truck and guns.


Targets are hit. Frame from the video from "KP"

Obviously, these are far from the only episodes of the use of the Lancets. Such weapons are actively exploited, and the number of targets hit can already go to tens or hundreds. For obvious reasons, not all footage of such attacks will be released to the public. However, even without this, loitering ammunition will contribute to the achievement of the goals of the Special Operation.

Modern weapons


Loitering ammunition of the Lancet series is being developed by Zala Aero. The first sample of the family was presented in 2019 at one of the domestic exhibitions. On the basis of common solutions, two samples were created - "Lancet-1" and "Lancet-3". These drones allow you to solve various tasks, and if necessary, they are complemented by products of the Cube family, also from Zala Aero.

Already in 2020, a large batch of Lancets went to Syria to be tested in a real conflict. It was reported that the Russian military actively used such products and successfully hit a variety of targets, stationary and moving. Later, the Ministry of Defense showed videos of objective control made by reconnaissance UAVs.

Loitering ammunition "Lancet" in the Special Operation

Flight to the truck and the gun, filming from the Lancet. Frame from video from Telegram / Kotsnews

According to the results of field and military tests, the "Lancets" were finalized. After that, no later than 2020-21. such ammunition went into series and ended up in the combat units of the Russian army. In June of this year or earlier, they began to be used during the Special Operation - and the UAVs reaffirmed their combat capabilities.

Options and features


The drones of the Lancet line are distinguished by their characteristic design and recognizable appearance. Both known products have an elongated fuselage with a multifaceted section, on which the planes are installed. X-shaped wings and tail stabilizers are provided. Later, a new plumage scheme was introduced: it has a smaller span, and also includes a horizontal stabilizer and a vertical keel.

All versions of the Lancet are equipped with an optoelectronic system with guidance in two planes. The flight is provided by an electric motor and a pusher propeller. The central part of the fuselage is given over to remote control systems, a battery and a warhead. In flight, the UAV maintains two-way communication with the operator, transmits a video signal to him, and also receives commands.


Moments before hit. Frame from video from Telegram / Kotsnews

"Lancet-1" has a mass of only 5 kg and carries a 1-kg high-explosive fragmentation warhead. It develops a speed of 110 km/h and can stay in the air for half an hour. "Lancet-3" is larger and heavier. It weighs 12 kg and is equipped with a 3 kg warhead. The flight speed and range are higher than those of the smaller vehicle, and the flight duration has been increased to 60 minutes.

The main task of the "Lancets" is the detection and destruction of ground targets. The UAV of this family, like other loitering ammunition, must fly to the area of ​​​​the intended location of the target, after which the operator begins to search for the target. The found object is taken for escort, after which the device dives on it and is blown up.

Warheads weighing from 1 to 3 kg are sufficient to destroy manpower, unprotected and lightly armored vehicles in open areas or in light shelters. The warhead is triggered upon contact with the target or at a short distance from it, which increases the area affected by shrapnel.


The result of the attack. Frame from video from Telegram / Kotsnews

With the help of standard optics, the Lancet can perform the functions of a reconnaissance drone. With it, you can find an enemy ground object or clarify previously received data. However, in terms of the combination of characteristics, loitering ammunition in this role is inferior to specialized reconnaissance vehicles.

During the tests, the concept of "air mining" was worked out. In this case, the UAV is on duty in the sky and is looking for enemy aircraft. Then he must approach them and undermine. In this mode, the Lancet is capable of destroying almost any modern UAV or causing serious damage to a helicopter.

Flexibility


Recently, our army has been armed with several types of loitering ammunition. Products of the two families differ from each other in technical characteristics and tactical capabilities. Thanks to this, it becomes possible to use a sample that most fully corresponds to the specifics of the intended strike and the chosen target.

An important contribution to such a weapon system is made by UAVs of the Lancet family. In the recent past, they have confirmed their capabilities at training grounds in Syria, and are now being used in Ukraine. As reported, with their help, they have already managed to destroy a number of enemy combat vehicles, guns and other materiel. And it is obvious that the combat score of the Lancets will continue to grow, demonstrating the potential of both these products and the entire concept of loitering ammunition.
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  1. -16
    26 July 2022 05: 14
    Recently, the Russian army has been armed with loitering ammunition - unmanned aerial vehicles with their own warhead,
    hi Crap advertising, just take your head in your hands. 1 hour loitering, what is it about? Yes, and the range is 30-40 km. the Americans pass the ruins of the BBP with a barrage time of 3-4 hours, it still looks like, although it’s also not a fountain, but an hour? fool While gaining altitude ...... Lancet, quite a normal power supply, kamikaze drone, it should be cheap,
    but there is no need to fill the niche in which we have 0.
    And we really need BBP!
    With the help of standard optics, the Lancet can perform the functions reconnaissance drone. With it, you can find an enemy ground object or clarify previously received data. However, in terms of the totality of characteristics, loitering ammunition in this role is inferior to specialized reconnaissance vehicles.
    This increases the cost of the PSU and reduces its value. Instead of transmitting devices, it was possible to increase the weight of explosives. 100 lancets are 100 transmitting devices that were not used .... request I think the "Lancet" reconnaissance is a different and more expensive device.
    1. +22
      26 July 2022 05: 25
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      ... the Americans transmit the BBP to the ruins with a barrage time of 3-4 hours ...
      Will you indulge in the name of this miracle? Because the flying Switchblade 300 grenade has a flight time of 15 minutes, the flying (saint) Javelin Switchblade 600 has a flight time of 40 minutes, and the Americans did not give Ukraine other loitering ammunition ...
      1. -5
        26 July 2022 05: 34
        Quote from: nik-mazur
        the Americans did not give Ukraine other loitering ammunition ...
        And he did not claim that in parts. "Transfer", the plan is discussed. hi Phoenix Ghost "has not been broadcast yet, but 6 hours, you see, it looks like a barrage. feel
        Antagon officials say the United States is delivering 121 drones, some of which have already arrived. American weapons specialists teach Ukrainians how to use them.
        May 5, 2022
        1. +1
          26 July 2022 18: 19
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Phoenix Ghost" hasn't aired yet...
          An analogue of the Switchblade created specifically for Ukraine, which is able to stay in the air from 9 to 24 times longer than an American?
          It seems to me that someone somewhere is whistling quite artistically ...
    2. +11
      26 July 2022 06: 26
      Lancets don't just shoot into the sky. In almost all applications that I saw there was a second drone, which most likely did the detection. Why does a drone need to hover for six hours in the air? This only increases the cost of the design and, no less important, increases the size of the drone.
      30-40 minutes is 50-60km flight distance. Why more?

      Well, yes, using the Lancet as a scout should be equated with a criminal offense. It's like firing Krasnopoles at area targets.
      1. -10
        26 July 2022 06: 36
        hi Look carefully at what I wrote against: Lancet - loitering ammunition. Advertising bullshit. Otherwise, I agree, they wrote to satisfy all the customer's wishes.
        Quote: demiurg
        Well, yes, using the Lancet as a scout should be equated with a criminal offense. It's like firing Krasnopoles at area targets.
        And the barrage, it can be not only reconnaissance, but also a drummer, because. "strike on call", in an hour it may be too late, the scout can be shot down, the target can leave .... Although, of course, the price of the issue will increase significantly. request
        it is 50-60km flight range. Why more?
        So we will reach the Hamers for a long time. request
        1. +1
          26 July 2022 06: 38
          Well, yes, they found the target, brought a couple of lancets to the detection area. During additional reconnaissance, they discovered something else interesting, the second lancet struck a new target. No one will release such a prodigy in the hope of seeing something through a rather bad camera. And no one will fasten an active seeker of any type, it's too expensive.
        2. 0
          26 July 2022 06: 47
          Well, I'll add it. Against MLRS firing from a distance of 20-30 km from the front line, the use of UAVs does not make sense. By the time he flies these 20-30-40km, the MLRS will already dump in a secluded place, and the crew will have time to reload the car, eat and start to make holes in the tunics for medals.
          1. +1
            26 July 2022 10: 06
            Quote: demiurg
            Until he flies these 20-30-40km, the MLRS will already dump in a secluded place, and the calculation will have time to reload the car, eat, and begin to make holes in the tunics for medals.

            The Azerbaijanis destroyed some kind of Armenian air defense system like this: Bayraktar spotted in which garage he was hiding, and then Harop flew there.
          2. -1
            26 July 2022 19: 04
            Quote: demiurg
            Well, I'll add it. Against MLRS firing from a distance of 20-30 km from the front line, the use of UAVs does not make sense. By the time he flies these 20-30-40km, the MLRS will already dump in a secluded place, and the crew will have time to reload the car, eat and start to make holes in the tunics for medals.

            About what the speech. fool We need a loitering drone, not a glider like a lancet.
          3. 0
            27 July 2022 09: 40
            Disagree. Zala 421-16E2 (recon drone) and lancet cubes are launched in one crew. They find the target with the 421-16 drone, launch the lancet, accompany the target when the lancet approaches and correct its flight. The problem is that the distance to the target should be no more than 30-40 km from the location of the calculation. It would not hurt them (Zala aero) to plant at least in a maize and hang lancets under its wings, put more powerful engines and 5-7 kg warheads on the lancets so that they fly only 20 minutes but at a speed of 300 km / h. Then the Himers could be hunted. Reconnaissance drones can also be made faster (150-200 km/h) and heavier, and also hung under the wings, and returned somewhere to a GLONASS point.
            1. 0
              19 May 2023 11: 55
              And the maize will be swept from the sky like a fly, along with lancets. Fortunately, EPR is an ideal goal.
        3. -2
          26 July 2022 10: 02
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Look carefully at what I wrote against: Lancet - loitering ammunition.

          If he is able to turn around at least 180 degrees from the direction of launch in flight, he is already quite a barrage of ammunition.
          1. 0
            26 July 2022 19: 05
            Quote: DenVB
            If he is able to turn around at least 180 degrees from the direction of launch in flight, he is already quite a barrage of ammunition.

            At least 360. fool Understand what a barrage is, and only then with aplomb ...
            Loitering (from French barrage - "obstruction"), in aviation - the flight mode of an aircraft (airplane, helicopter, rocket, UAV) at a speed that provides the greatest duration of the flight in order to promptly respond to an emerging threat.
            fool What is required for our problems. Close up of uncontrolled emergence of MLRS.
            1. 0
              26 July 2022 19: 16
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              Understand what a barrage is

              Quote: Mavrikiy
              at a speed that provides the greatest duration of flight

              How fast does the Lancet fly?
              1. -1
                26 July 2022 19: 23
                Quote: DenVB
                How fast does the Lancet fly?

                That's not peeping 110 km / h, fool It's not about speed, but about the duration of the flight, without this there is no barrage. Our batteries don't last. request
                1. 0
                  26 July 2022 19: 45
                  Quote: Mavrikiy
                  Here, without peeping at 110 km / h, fool It's not about speed, but about the duration of the flight, without this there is no barrage.

                  By your own definition, loitering is flying at the speed that provides the greatest duration of the flight. So at what speed should the Lancet fly in order for its flight duration to be the greatest?
                  1. 0
                    26 July 2022 19: 49
                    Quote: DenVB
                    So at what speed should the Lancet fly in order for its flight duration to be the greatest?

                    fool From zero, will you be satisfied?
                    It's not about the speed, it's about the duration of the flight,
                    1. 0
                      26 July 2022 20: 20
                      Quote: Mavrikiy
                      From zero, will you be satisfied?

                      Hang it on a string to a branch, here you will have zero speed.
                    2. 0
                      27 July 2022 18: 45
                      It's not about speed, it's about duration

                      What for? No one has yet removed Krasnopol and Gran from service. Well, besides this purely field weapon, no one has canceled Caliber and Iskander. Yes, the Ukrainians still have Tochka-U type OTRK, but, according to rumors, our missile defense somehow copes. And yes, the fall of rocket fragments or parts of a cassette in residential areas is also not a gift at all. So what to do?
            2. 0
              27 July 2022 13: 46
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              At least 360. fool Figure out what a barrage is, and only then with aplomb ...


              Loitering is a tactical technique, not a flight mode. I don't know where you read the definition, but "at the speed that provides the longest flight time" all civil aviation flies. And all aviation also chooses altitude with the same calculation: to reduce fuel consumption, increase flight time.
              Loitering is a method of combat use of aviation, in which combat units advance to the patrol area in advance, while neither the crews nor the ground-based guidance and reconnaissance equipment have target designation, and are waiting for target designation while already in the patrol area. Unlike, for example, interception, in which the aircraft is displayed on a specific target.

              Here are the definitions for you:

              loitering
              [fr. barrage] - military, aviation. patrolling, duty in the air of fighter aircraft with the aim of intercepting and destroying aircraft and other means of air attack of the enemy, to cover their ground troops, ships of the fleet, etc., as well as to protect important objects.

              loitering
              [< French; see barrage] - patrolling aircraft in the air over a certain area, object, blocking the access of enemy aircraft to a particular air defense object


              Any aircraft designed for use in loitering mode is loitering. If his main method of application is a shot "somewhere there", where he himself, having flown for some time, finds the enemy, he is loitering. And it flies 40 minutes or 40 hours does not matter. His task is to find and destroy the enemy, and not to set hover range records in the air.
      2. -11
        26 July 2022 14: 42
        It's like firing Krasnopols at area targets.

        Let's start with the fact that no one shoots at the SNO with Krasnopol. An outdated projectile from the Soviet era, which for some reason is still in service, is not used. New shells were not accepted into service for 30 years, although they were sold, and even a factory for their production was built in China. This is the harsh reality of the stupidity and thievery of high officials.
        Kamikaze drones are unjustifiably used instead of the modern Krasnopols and Centimeters, the latter has been destroyed and the technology has been lost. This is such a trick for the simpletons. They give you a dead chicken instead of a peacock and they want you to believe that you have a beautiful thing in front of you.
        Kamikaze drones are weapons of terrorists, or special forces that operate without the support of artillery. For the latter, lancets are not suitable: dimensions (you can’t wear it), deployment time, launch and control options, and the need for preliminary reconnaissance, for example, from another UAV, makes its use stupid ... If an MTR fighter sees a threatening target, he will quickly use portable light ammunition ...
        Why a drone, if there is a reconnaissance UAV, which, if it detects a target, can immediately highlight the target to the modernized Krasnopol and the target will be destroyed with one shot in real time at a distance of up to 35 km.
        But there are no such UAVs and such guided missiles in the Russian army, although they began to recover rapidly after 30 years of oblivion after the start of the SNO. This stupidity borders on betrayal, and nothing can justify this. And now they come up with a fairy tale from foreign media about the miracle weapon kamikaze drones ... About their great role and necessity ...
        "Lancet" can not even be worn, its wings do not undock, they only fold?!
        In almost all applications that I saw there was a second drone, which most likely was engaged in detection

        It DOES NOT pass, on the Lancet there is no Glonass receiver and positioning system, as on the Orlan. It cannot use information from another UAV!
        This is such a primitive, mediocre toy with a narrow range of use for show ... The combat effectiveness is near zero. But how many squeals of joy and bonnets, but it’s impossible to patch up real holes ....
        1. +4
          26 July 2022 15: 30
          Quote: Sexton
          It's like firing Krasnopols at area targets.

          Let's start with the fact that no one shoots at the SNO with Krasnopol. An outdated projectile from the Soviet era, which for some reason is still in service, is not used. New shells were not accepted into service for 30 years, although they were sold, and even a factory for their production was built in China. This is the harsh reality of the stupidity and thievery of high officials.
          Kamikaze drones are unjustifiably used instead of the modern Krasnopols and Centimeters, the latter has been destroyed and the technology has been lost. This is such a trick for the simpletons. They give you a dead chicken instead of a peacock and they want you to believe that you have a beautiful thing in front of you.
          Kamikaze drones are weapons of terrorists, or special forces that operate without the support of artillery. For the latter, lancets are not suitable: dimensions (you can’t wear it), deployment time, launch and control options, and the need for preliminary reconnaissance, for example, from another UAV, makes its use stupid ... If an MTR fighter sees a threatening target, he will quickly use portable light ammunition ...
          Why a drone, if there is a reconnaissance UAV, which, if it detects a target, can immediately highlight the target to the modernized Krasnopol and the target will be destroyed with one shot in real time at a distance of up to 35 km.
          But there are no such UAVs and such guided missiles in the Russian army, although they began to recover rapidly after 30 years of oblivion after the start of the SNO. This stupidity borders on betrayal, and nothing can justify this. And now they come up with a fairy tale from foreign media about the miracle weapon kamikaze drones ... About their great role and necessity ...
          "Lancet" can not even be worn, its wings do not undock, they only fold?!
          In almost all applications that I saw there was a second drone, which most likely was engaged in detection

          It DOES NOT pass, on the Lancet there is no Glonass receiver and positioning system, as on the Orlan. It cannot use information from another UAV!
          This is such a primitive, mediocre toy with a narrow range of use for show ... The combat effectiveness is near zero. But how many squeals of joy and bonnets, but it’s impossible to patch up real holes ....


          They shoot with Krasnopol during the NWO.
          . MOSCOW, 8 July. /TASS/. The Russian Armed Forces, in addition to the well-proven 152-mm Krasnopol corrective artillery shells, also use in the military operation in Ukraine ultra-precise indestructible guided mines "Gran" and artillery shells "Kitolov". This was reported to TASS on Friday by a source in law enforcement agencies.
          Krasnopol, Gran and Kitolov are our three main munitions with a correction system, which are now used in a special operation in Ukraine," the source said.

          According to him, guided projectiles are aimed at the target using a laser designator-rangefinder. "The aiming head with an optical laser designator is mounted on a drone. In particular, Orlan-type drones are used. The drone illuminates the target, and a projectile flies there," the agency's interlocutor said.
          He also clarified that most often Russian troops use Gran and Kitolov guided missiles at point targets: individual pillboxes / bunkers, firing points, equipment or firepower of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), at weak points in fortifications.

          https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/15160223

          What makes you think that Centimeter shells are technologically lost?
          .In addition to the tasks of suppressing the firing positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Kramatorsk and Slavyansk, the "Coalition-SV" can also be used in other areas. One of the most important is Avdiivka, from where the Ukrainian army regularly uses NATO M777 guns and Polish Crab howitzers in Donetsk. From the point of view of the combat situation, Russian self-propelled guns are in a more advantageous position: to suppress enemy equipment (and other tasks), active rockets "Krasnopol" or "Sentimeter" can be used. The ammunition is artillery shells with an upper stage similar to a small rocket, thanks to which the firing range is increased to 70 kilometers. At the same time, the GLONASS system or laser beam guidance from a drone makes it possible to lay shells on a target with a deviation of only one meter, which, in the presence of 12 kilograms of explosives, does not play any role.

          https://antifashist.com/item/nazad-za-liniyu-fronta-pochemu-rossiya-tak-pozdno-primenila-sau-koaliciya-sv-na-ukraine.html
          1. -6
            26 July 2022 15: 56
            They shoot with Krasnopol during the NWO.

            This is a lie, more precisely Wishlist. There were even experiments in the exercises ... There is not a single photo and video, even in the TLG, about the use of "Krasnopol" during SNO. To guide the ancient projectile, the Malachite complex is used. It includes an advanced calculation of 3 people with a portable rangefinder-target designator, a coordination console and a radio station with an antenna. All equipment weighs more than 40 kg and can illuminate the target from a distance of up to 5 km. The calculation is easily detected, and the time for transferring the coordinates of the target, entering data into the projectile manually, assembling it from 2 parts and the need to transmit a matching signal after the shot to turn on the laser illumination takes about 5 minutes ...
            Why is this needed if you can immediately shoot an ATGM?
            Old shells and the application procedure does not involve the use of UAVs. And there are no new ones yet! The Orlan-30 UAV, which theoretically can illuminate targets for new projectiles, can carry a target load of up to 8 kg, this is not enough for reconnaissance and transmission of real-time images and the ability to carry out laser target illumination ... There are such devices, but they consist completely from foreign components. But this is not the base load for this UAV, it throws mini-bombs at these idiots ... The contract for the supply of Orlan-30 was signed only in 2020, with the start of production in 2021, and it does not have its own engine. You need to use "parallel import" and this affects production. "Orlan" can transmit a real-time picture up to 10 km to the operator's console! This is not enough for Krasnopol and even for conventional shells, and the UAV crew on the Kamaz is in the enemy’s kill zone ... If you are interested in links, I can provide ... This is not my opinion, this is information for you!
            1. 0
              28 August 2022 09: 40
              And the red fields are used and the illumination comes from our DRGs or drones. Technology does not stand still. And just because you don't know it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
        2. 0
          27 July 2022 14: 10
          Quote: Sexton
          Kamikaze drones are weapons of terrorists, or special forces that operate without the support of artillery.


          Yeah of course. Obviously, the Soviet anti-ship missiles P-700 and P-800, as well as missiles like Tomahawk or Caliber, are also weapons of terrorists. If you don't know, they are also kamikaze drones, only bigger ones.
          Wake up, dear. A kamikaze drone is just a cheap UR. Take any ATGM, replace it with a jet engine for a propeller, add a wing area so that it does not fall at low speed and get the same kamikaze drone. :)

          Quote: Sexton
          Why a drone, if there is a reconnaissance UAV, which, if it detects a target, can immediately highlight the target to the modernized Krasnopol and the target will be destroyed with one shot in real time at a distance of up to 35 km.


          Then, that the battery of self-propelled guns with Krasnopols may be too far away. In addition, Krasnopol requires a little more than "drone illumination". Artillery, you know, it requires topographic location. And controlled disposable strike drones should be at least at the level of the mouth. And it is desirable and even "lower". Like grenade launchers.

          Quote: Sexton
          "Lancet" can not even be worn, its wings do not undock, they only fold?!

          Which one of? There are three of them in different sizes. Well, let's say you can't wear it. So what? KPVT also can not be worn? The mortar cannot be fired from the hand. ATGMs cannot be hidden in a pocket, and MANPADS in modern combat are desirable to have external target designation. The army is full of weapons that cannot be carried or used "in one person."

          Quote: Sexton
          DOES NOT pass, on the "Lancet" no "Glonass" receiver and positioning systems , as on "Orlan".


          It is not true. There is a positioning system on the Lancet. Yes, she does not use GLONASS. And the developers consider it a matter of pride.

          The complex includes not only an impact element, but also a reconnaissance, navigation and communications module. It is able to determine coordinates from different sources and objects. So the fundamental difference between the Lancet and the previous generation and many foreign analogues is that it does not need any satellite navigation.


          Quote: Sexton
          It cannot use information from another UAV


          And why should he? Do you really not understand that this is an AUTONOMOUS combat system?
    3. +1
      26 July 2022 07: 31
      This increases the cost of the PSU and reduces its value. Instead of transmitters, it was possible to increase the weight of explosives

      winked Can you name a drone that is controlled by an operator who does not have transmission devices? laughing
      1. +1
        26 July 2022 11: 12
        Quote: Paladin
        This increases the cost of the PSU and reduces its value. Instead of transmitters, it was possible to increase the weight of explosives

        winked Can you name a drone that is controlled by an operator who does not have transmission devices? laughing

        Cord model?)))) wassat laughing
      2. -12
        26 July 2022 14: 59

        All in the Russian Army! "Outpost", "Orlan" fly along the route programmed by "GLONASS" outside the range of transceivers, or without their inclusion, recording a video image on a USB flash drive, from which information is written off after landing. This is the main mode of use for almost all UAVs, both in Syria and those adopted by the army to date, alas !!! There is no real-time image transmission to military UAVs. The Russian army is blind and sees nothing further than binoculars. Ukrainians are driving around calmly, delivering ammunition, shooting at Donetsk, getting out of the boilers during the operational encirclement. This is reality ... And over the battlefield they use sagging toys from stores in other countries, bought with their own money .... Maybe Iranian UAVs are better ?!
        1. +2
          26 July 2022 16: 09
          Yes, yes, exactly as you say, I take my hat off to a pile of your competencies, skills and encyclopedic knowledge.
          LOL laughing
          1. Outpost - used for reconnaissance, as well as serves signal transmitter and amplifier. Apparatus makes a remotely controlled flight from the ground autonomously or according to a predetermined program, and also navigates with the support of a ground control station and a differential global positioning system. It transmits data on flight parameters and payload status to the ground control station, maintains constant communication with the ground control station via duplicated channels in duplex mode.
          2. Orlan - has crypto-protected command-telemetry channel for broadcasting photos and videos. The channel is provided with pseudo-random tuning of the operating frequency using two-stage error-correcting channel coding during information transmission.
          1. -8
            26 July 2022 16: 34
            The first paragraph does not carry information about the possibility of transmitting images in real time! It is necessary to raise the characteristics of the Israeli prototype. There is no information yet about the completely Russian Forpost-R UAV, the production of which has begun in 2021. But 10 pieces per year is too little for UZGA!
            2. Orlan - has a crypto-protected command-telemetry channel for broadcasting photo and video images.

            You were misled, like everyone else. There is a channel with a radius of 120 km, and such as you described. But it is used, if necessary, only for transmitting commands, controlling the UAV flight parameters and the route! You can even change it at such a distance ...
            To transmit an image in real time at a distance of up to 10 km, a special antenna is needed, it is possible to transmit an image at 30 km, but with a special narrowly directed antenna with a rotary mechanism! The latter is practically not used.
            If it is necessary to receive a television image from the UAV at the NPU, the workstation is equipped with the ground part of the television system with a directional antenna at a distance of up to 10 km and a narrowly directed antenna system with a servo drive for ranges of up to 30 km.


            http://nevskii-bastion.ru/orlan-30/
            1. -1
              26 July 2022 17: 22
              Let's not slip off and try to gloss over the fact that both UAVs have real-time data transmission channels. But other possibilities in the form of a flight in a completely autonomous mode using inertials and programmed geodata of the route, this is just the possibility of using them in the conditions of the use of electronic warfare.
              Well, they wrote nonsense, write - you made a mistake and calm down.
              1. -6
                26 July 2022 19: 53
                The channel does not transmit a video image at a distance of more than 10 km, it transmits flight parameters and the location on the route. It transmits altitude, speed, maybe course, coordinates, deviation from the route, but not a picture from a video camera. What don't you understand? And to transmit a video image, additional equipment and an antenna are needed .... at a control center based on a Kamaz vehicle. Refer to the link, you know how to read at least?
                Wishing and dreaming is not harmful!

                Don't believe what's written...
                1. -1
                  26 July 2022 20: 40
                  This is called "you look in a book, you see a fig." Look at the transmission range and read the word INFO 10 times.
                  I'm leaving the discussion with you, your sofa is uninformative))))))
  2. +1
    26 July 2022 06: 58
    The time of testing in combat conditions will tell.
    So far, little time and information.
    I hope the thing is good.
    Beware the enemy.
  3. 0
    26 July 2022 07: 24
    The author in the article has "misunderstandings" about the "Lancet-3" ... 1. "Lancet-3" with a 3-kg warhead has a flight duration of up to 40 minutes and is made in the "2X" scheme ... Recently, indeed the "Lancet" appeared with a flight duration of up to 60 minutes, and it is equipped with a 5-kg warhead and is made in the "1,5X" scheme ... There are even statements that various types of warheads are provided for this modification of the drone: OF, KO, TB; but confirmation of this could not be found! But what this "Lancet" ,, is called ,,, is not yet known!
    2. The option of using the "Lancet" in the "air minefield" mode is being considered, but for this it is necessary to create new drones with a flight duration of at least 10 hours (or better, half a day or a day). Such a mode cannot be created in an electric drone ... an UAV with a "thermal" engine is needed. On the basis of the "electric" "Lancet" it is possible to create an UAV interceptor, but in the "ambush start" mode .3. The troops would use loitering ammunition with a passive radar seeker to destroy counter-battery radars ... It is possible to create a version of the UAV "2R in 1": 1) repeater; 2) active electronic warfare (false target)
    1. -1
      26 July 2022 17: 50
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      The option of using the "Lancet" in the "air minefield" mode is being considered, but for this it is necessary to create new drones with a flight duration of at least 10 hours (or better, half a day or a day)

      This is a complete profanation, with a speed of 150 km in a dive and a UAV, only a balloon can intercept, as it was during the tests. And this is subject to the detection of an air target, which in itself is not easy.
      1. 0
        26 July 2022 19: 29
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        This is a complete scam

        Lord! How hard it is sometimes for me to explain myself to some commentators on VO! Why not read my comment more carefully? Include, at the same time, "thinking"? But there are also options for UAVs (loitering ammunition) with piston engines ... with turbojet engines, made using gas turbines and compressors from turbocharging systems of automobile engines. ... It is possible to use Wankel rotary engines, turboprop engines based on turbocharging systems, hybrid engines! UAVs with PuVRD are also flying now! It is possible to install missile boosters (RDTT) on unmanned interceptors, which are launched when a target is detected and when approaching it!
        1. 0
          27 July 2022 04: 55
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Include, at the same time, "thinking"?

          Turn on yours, and find all those PuVRDs on any of the existing Lancets. Yes, and they forgot something about the difficulties of detecting air targets, oh yes, they also forgot about the difficulties with hitting high-speed targets (hitting targets at a speed of 100 km / h is considered a considerable achievement for ground / ground missiles). In general, "air mining" is designed for such impressionable persons as you .. laughing
  4. -5
    26 July 2022 07: 31
    The most surprising thing is that the news is burning, and in the comments there is not a single all-weaker. It’s probably hard to yell about the fact that Russia doesn’t have UAVs when photo confirmations are attached above
    1. -1
      26 July 2022 13: 57
      The all-weaver will say that the same China or the States are capable of producing them in millions of copies, cheaper than anti-tank systems, because they are fundamentally no more complicated than a civilian quadrocopter. And we do not have our own production of camera matrices and chips of the last five generations.
      1. -3
        26 July 2022 16: 17
        No, Mr. all-rounder, neither China nor the United States has any "million" copies. You are a balabol. Secondly, the US itself has chips made in Taiwan. Two years ago, a crisis broke out in the United States when it became clear that a significant part of the American military systems were created using Chinese components. They voted and everything remained as it was, because there was nothing to replace them.
        So you tell your snot-tears to your friends in the party of Lehi the prisoner
    2. -7
      26 July 2022 15: 31
      The Lancet has a black and white camera! Where are the images from? With the help of whose video cameras these pictures were taken and whose sensitive matrix? I'm not asking about the transmit-receive channel ...
      1. -3
        26 July 2022 16: 26
        Interestingly, the remote control of air-to-surface missiles appeared back in the days of the USSR, and the all-rounder is still yelling "cococo, there are no matrices in Russia!"
        1. -4
          26 July 2022 17: 16
          So they remained Soviet and the image quality is the same! You are also shown a black and white blurry image in the news and reports. Even on the Su-24M, such a guidance system and such missiles were used.
      2. -1
        27 July 2022 14: 19
        What are you carrying? What b.w. camera?
        https://rostec.ru/news/udarnyy-bespilotnik-lantset-kope-xxi-veka/
        The Lancet implements the "flying video camera" concept.
        1. -4
          27 July 2022 22: 33
          There is only one advertisement in your link.
          There is no video from the Lancet's camera!
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziJUzQp00Es
          After 1 minute....
          1. 0
            21 October 2022 16: 29
            Quote: Sexton
            There is only one advertisement in your link.
            There is no video from the Lancet's camera!
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziJUzQp00Es
            After 1 minute....


            Unfortunately, I think Ponomar is generally right. In terms of all new technologies, we are very far behind the West and even already from the East: but we have no cameras, no thermal imagers, no drones, no normal communications, no corrected bombs, no corrected cannon shots, nothing. Everything is in piece copies at the quality level of 10 years ago in relation to the West.
            And in the army - as in the 80th year, everything remains. Volunteers buy something from the Chinese and that's it.
            But Shoigu and the Supreme Commander still believe that everything is in order and we have 80% of modern weapons more than in any other country in the world.
            But in fact from the modern in us: caliber, Iskander and air defense. All
  5. +1
    26 July 2022 08: 26
    During the NWO, an already modernized "Lancet" appeared over the battlefield, with higher performance and a slightly different appearance, but only one thing can be said here, well done. The manufacturer responded quickly
    1. -1
      27 July 2022 09: 53
      We need products of the 100kg class with a range of 200km and a barrage time of 6-9 hours to destroy air defense, MLRS like the Israeli HAROP that proved to be in Karabakh
  6. +1
    26 July 2022 09: 24
    The unmanned direction is developing very quickly and the number of drones is growing. There was a real need to introduce a fourth tracked armored personnel carrier of the BTR-50 or BT-3F type into each platoon on the BMP. UAV launchers, control and communication systems should be placed on the roof of this armored personnel carrier. Put a platoon commander, a drone operator and other rare specialists there, such as a sniper and a portable ATGM operator. The existing structure of a motorized rifle platoon ceases to meet modern requirements.
  7. +1
    26 July 2022 11: 17
    The combination of reconnaissance and fire weapons into a single system greatly increases its cost. It is obvious that their use on sedentary targets will no longer be advisable. But the technologies for using highly mobile MLRS, artillery, and columns on the march need to be worked out.
    1. +1
      26 July 2022 12: 18
      Whence the strong rise in price of system at once undertakes? The system can also work in a simplified form. For example, a gunner-operator sitting in a BMP-3 will be able to immediately adjust the fire from a 100-mm gun based on the picture from the drone. To do this, he only needs to access the image from the drone. And the drone above the target can be held by another operator. And the same for self-propelled guns, a monitor is enough for observation and access to the channel for receiving data from a drone.
      1. +1
        26 July 2022 13: 09
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        will immediately take a strong rise in the cost of the system?

        The rise in price is due to the need to place military broadband communication equipment on the munition for video transmission and cryptographic protection systems. This is not counting the standard navigation systems present in any corrected ammunition.
        1. 0
          26 July 2022 14: 14
          Since it can already perform the functions of a reconnaissance drone, then it already has it.
  8. 0
    26 July 2022 13: 09
    "Lancet-1" has a mass of only 5 kg and carries a 1-kg high-explosive fragmentation warhead.

    It weighs 12 kg and is equipped with a 3 kg warhead.
    This is prank. For those who do not have artillery.
    With the help of standard optics, the Lancet can perform the functions of a reconnaissance drone.
    And this is valuable. Instead of warheads, the possibility of a return would be better added.
    1. 0
      27 July 2022 14: 23
      Quote: bk0010
      This is prank. For those who do not have artillery.


      Yes? But do not remind the mass of explosives in a 120-mm mine?
      1. 0
        27 July 2022 20: 15
        Quote: abc_alex
        Yes? But do not remind the mass of explosives in a 120-mm mine?
        1.5-3 kg. But there is only one drone, and mines fly in - an abyss.
    2. 0
      4 November 2022 10: 49
      Quote: bk0010
      return option would be better added.

      The possibility of a return is not only a double margin of flight time, but also the landing itself. That is, either a parachute, which is either light disposable, or heavy reusable (and it’s not a fact that they won’t tear when landing in the bushes), or a landing gear and a strip.
      To make disposable light parachutes, you need a very clean and even table without the slightest burrs on it, film, fishing line, glue and the rest. Moreover, a constant problem is strangers and organisms that are not interested in the successful flight of the UAV. They touch the canopies and straps, place objects on them, scratch with their claws or poke their noses. It was often necessary to explain that "this garbage from a cut garbage bag is a parachute for an UAV", right up to sitting next to it until the glue dries, otherwise they spoil it, and how to make parachutes in front-line conditions; (
      At the same time, landing accidents make up a fair amount of accidents and disasters, both in aviation and in aircraft modeling. To control the flight, the skill of the operator is much less than to return and land. This means that it takes longer to teach operators, and the airplanes themselves are more expensive. Despite the fact that they will still fight on landing - an operator’s mistake, an unsuccessfully chosen lane, an operator running away from shelling, enemy electronic warfare, and so on. Yes, the landing strip needs to be cleaned, that is, a scythe, pitchforks and rakes in summer and snow shovels and many helpers in winter. A room for repairing broken UAVs will be added, a repairman will appear in the calculation. Conclusion - we need separately cheap shock "aircraft-shells", with a somehow trained operator (ideally, the operator will be selected from among the conscripts who were fond of flight simulators in their youth and have at least some knowledge of aerodynamics, control, etc.), starting from container and others. And separately, reconnaissance UAVs for artillerymen and others, who have a more experienced operator, have repairmen, a base (room) for repairs, supply of spare parts and other things.
  9. -2
    26 July 2022 13: 39
    "However, even without this, loitering ammunition will contribute to achieving the goals of the Special Operation" - when?
    And then the "special operation" has been going on for 5 months.
  10. -3
    26 July 2022 13: 57
    They would also have to launch from a launch tube like a hero and switchblades, otherwise pushing the catapult and plumage apart manually is not practical, it is not very mobile. Yes, and warheads of 3-5 kg ​​for laughter, chickens need 10-20 at the level of 120mm mortars.
    1. 0
      26 July 2022 14: 19
      If you properly fix the catapult to launch on the roof of the BTR-MDM or BT-3F, and introduce such a machine into each unit, then the problem does not look complicated.
      1. +1
        27 July 2022 01: 09
        This is our version without a protective container with wings laid out manually before launch, a catapult from the time of the Punic Wars ...

        This is them, Israel. Modern rugged compact installation. Different generations of what to hide.
        1. +1
          27 July 2022 08: 48
          This is them, Israel. Modern rugged compact installation. Different generations of what to hide.
          . Beautiful and futuristic, but rather a vertical start from KUNG. Moreover, the same "Lancet" has a cruciform plumage, you can turn on the "belly" in flight.
        2. -2
          27 July 2022 14: 45
          Quote: landromat
          This is them, Israel. Modern rugged compact installation. Different generations of what to hide.


          Surprisingly ... Ours make weapons based on many years of experience in warfare. Simple and cheap. Realizing the principle "do not complicate!".
          But no. Delight is caused by glossy crafts from Israel. Can you clearly explain to me why a salvo launcher is needed for solo-launched ammunition? "First, it's beautiful"? Why don’t they pack their Spikes in such beautiful boxes then?
  11. -1
    27 July 2022 11: 19
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Quote: demiurg
    Well, I'll add it. Against MLRS firing from a distance of 20-30 km from the front line, the use of UAVs does not make sense. By the time he flies these 20-30-40km, the MLRS will already dump in a secluded place, and the crew will have time to reload the car, eat and start to make holes in the tunics for medals.

    About what the speech. fool We need a loitering drone, not a glider like a lancet.


    Well, why is it necessary to replace soft with warm? If there are coordinates from where the fire was fired, for example, you can launch corrected tornado rockets. Now the question is only in the speed of transmission of coordinates.
  12. -1
    27 July 2022 12: 40
    We need devices for a complete line. Jews also make larger 1-3-5-10kg bch. And you can, quite, put 3kg - cumulative.
  13. 0
    30 September 2022 11: 55
    This is a madhouse - all these loitering BPs.

    What prevents the carrier in the final section from dropping the warhead, which can no longer leave the trajectory ?!
    And the most abrupt maneuver to get away from the explosion.
    Although not in this part, I studied rockets, incl. winged.
    A little aware...

    I will say something else. There are plenty of idiots in the defense industry who studied already in the Yeltsin era. I personally know!

    Need to think! And they are not taught to think.
    The intelligent people that we have (!), Fools seek to destroy - otherwise they themselves will not survive.

    And the bureaucrats-officials - I’m generally silent here ... I came across ...