Modern fighter aircraft of Romania

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During the Cold War, Romania, along with the USSR, the GDR, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary and Bulgaria, was part of the Warsaw Pact Organization (WTO). At the same time, the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Romanian Communist Party, Nicolae Ceausescu, who concentrated all power in his hands, pursued a “multi-vector policy” and took an unfriendly position towards the USSR on a number of issues. In this regard, Romania, unlike other ATS countries, if it received Soviet weapon, then most often not the most modern, and in smaller volumes, which inevitably affected the equipment and combat capabilities of the Romanian Air Force and Air Defense.

Socialist legacy



Shortly after the end of World War II and the establishment of a pro-Soviet regime in Romania, the reform of the armed forces began. Since 1949, Soviet-made aircraft began to enter the national air force: Po-2, Yak-18, Tu-2, Il-10 and La-9.



Already in 1950, Romanian pilots began retraining for jet Yak-17 and Yak-23, and from 1952 to 1956 Romania received 88 MiG-15bis and MiG-17F / PF fighters.


Yak-23

In 1958-1960. 15 MiG-19P supersonic interceptors entered service. This aircraft was armed with two 30-mm cannons, ORO-57K launchers with 8 S-5 unguided rockets. The pilot had an RP-5 radar sight at his disposal. In the 1960s, the interceptor was rearmed with the K-13 UR.


MiG-19P

After mastering the MiG-19P, Romania additionally acquired 45 modernized MiG-19PM interceptors with the RP-5M radar sight. The MiG-19PM lost its cannons and was armed with four RS-2U (K-5M) guided missiles. Operation of the MiG-19S/PM continued in Romania until the second half of the 1970s.

In February 1962, the development of supersonic front-line fighters MiG-21F-13 began.


MiG-21F-13

The MiG-21F-13 was the first mass modification in the numerous "twenty-first" family. Although the on-board instrumentation of this fighter was very simple, the aircraft was popular.

The MiG-21F-13 did not have its own radar, the sighting equipment consisted of an ASP-5N-VU1 optical sight, an analog computer VRD-1, and a radio range finder SRD-5 Kvant, located in the radio-transparent fairing of the central body of the engine air intake. Built-in armament included a 30 mm HP-30 cannon. Two K-13 air combat missiles with IR seeker could be suspended under the wing. It was also possible to use the 57-mm NAR S-5 against air targets.

In the second half of the 1970s, in addition to the existing MiG-21F-13 and two-seat MiG-21U, Romania received improved MiG-21MF and MiG-21UM twins.

The MiG-21MF were equipped with the RP-22 airborne radar with a detection range of up to 30 km. In the arsenal of this light front-line fighter, there were R-3R (K-13R) missiles with a semi-active radar homing head and a firing range of up to 15 km, which seriously increased the ability to destroy air targets at night and in conditions of poor visibility.

Modern fighter aircraft of Romania

In total, the USSR transferred to Romania 175 MiG-21F-13, MiG-21U / UM and MiG-21MF. As of 1991, there were more than 80 MiG-21MFs in service.

In the late 1970s, deliveries of Romanian-made IAR 93 Vultur jet aircraft began to combat squadrons.


Aircraft IAR 93 Vultur

This twin-engine subsonic combat aircraft was developed to replace the MiG-15 and MiG-17, which were used in the Romanian air force as fighter-bombers at the end of their careers. However, in addition to strike missions, the IAR 93 Vultur was considered as a fighter designed to intercept relatively low-speed and low-altitude air targets, against which it could use the 23-mm GSh-23L cannon, as well as air-to-air missiles K-13 and R-60.

According to expert estimates, the Romanian IAR 93, when used correctly, was able to successfully withstand the American A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft or the West German Alpha Jet, as well as anti-tank and transport-combat helicopters.


IAR-93SC

Taking into account pre-series copies, 86 single and double IAR 93s of several modifications were built, which were used until 1998.

In the period from 1979 to 1985, Romania received 36 single-seat MiG-23MF variable geometry wing fighters and 10 MiG-23UB combat trainers. In the early 1990s, Russia handed over two more used MiG-23UBs.


MiG-23МФ

All fighters of the "twenty-third" family were complex and expensive to operate, and also made increased demands on the skill level of the flight and technical staff. At the same time, the MiG-23MF was not bad as an all-weather and all-day interceptor.

In terms of acceleration characteristics, maximum speed and flight range, the MiG-23MF was significantly superior to the MiG-21MF, which formed the basis of the Romanian fighter aviation. The MiG-23MF avionics included the Sapfir-23E radar with a detection range of 45 km, the TP-23 heat direction finder and the Lazur-SM command guidance system. The armament consisted of two R-23R or R-23T medium-range missiles, two to four K-13M short-range missiles or R-60 melee missiles, and a hanging container with a 23-mm GSh-23L cannon.

The MiG-23MF and MiG-23UB fighters were in service with the 57th Fighter Aviation Regiment, which also operated the MiG-29. Service "twenty-thirds" in the Romanian Air Force continued until 2001.


Satellite image of Google Earth: MiG-23MF / UB fighters at the Timisoara airfield

More than three dozen MiG-23MF / UB and IAR-93 fighters are still “stored” in the open air at the Timisoara airfield. But with full confidence it can be argued that these planes will never take off again.

In 1987, in connection with the need to update the fighter fleet, Romania applied for the 4th generation MiG-29 fighters. Although the Soviet-Romanian relations were not cloudless, the USSR went forward, and an agreement was reached on the supply of 12 single-seat MiG-29A in version 9.12A and 2 combat training MiG-29UB in version 9.51. The first aircraft arrived in Romania in December 1989.


After the collapse of the Ceausescu regime and the collapse of the USSR, four more single and two double fighters were received. Somewhere in 1994, Moldova handed over one MiG-29 (9-13) with an integrated Gardenia electronic warfare station and an increased internal fuel supply.

The service of the MiG-29 in the Romanian Air Force was short-lived. Due to poor maintenance, the aircraft quickly fell into disrepair and were written off in 2004.

Modernization of the MiG-21MF to the level of the MiG-21 Lancer


In the mid-1990s, it became quite obvious that the Romanian Air Force did not meet modern requirements. After the collapse of the communist system, the likelihood of an armed conflict with neighbors tended to zero, but the country still needed a minimum number of fighters capable of ensuring the integrity of the airspace.

Although the much more modern MiG-23MF and MiG-29 were still in service, the command of the Romanian Air Force decided, in parallel with the refurbishment, to subject the MiG-21MF and MiG-21UM, built in the second half of the 1970s, to a radical modernization.

Since Romania did not have the necessary developments and specialists with the appropriate qualifications, in May 1993 a contract was signed with the Israeli company Israel Aerospace Industries. The Israelis had to prepare technical documentation and manufacture equipment, and the Romanian company IAR Brasov was engaged in its installation.

The main areas of modernization were: the use of modern means of obtaining the necessary information, increasing the effectiveness of the interaction "pilot - aircraft" and survivability in modern combat conditions.

The upgrade program is known as the IAI MIG-21-2000, but the Romanian Air Force aircraft were designated Lancer A (fighter-bomber), Lancer B (two-seat) and Lancer C (air defense interceptor). The contract was officially completed in April 2003. Its cost was $330 million.


Training and combat aircraft Lancer B

During the restoration and modernization work, most of the avionics were replaced. So, instead of the obsolete Soviet radar RP-22, the Israeli contractor proposed to install a new multi-mode pulse Doppler station EL / M-2032 with a target detection range of up to 70 km. The updated fire control system is controlled by an on-board multifunctional computer developed by the Israeli company Elbit.


Two-seat combat training MiGs were equipped with an EL / M-2001B radio rangefinder. To warn of radar exposure, all upgraded aircraft received modern broadband receivers. Protection against missiles with IR seeker is provided by automatic firing of heat traps.

To display basic information, a multifunctional color display measuring 12,7x12,7 cm is designed. Information can also be displayed on the windshield.


A color monitor is available on all modifications and is used for navigation, weapon control and other functions. The second monochrome is installed on Lancer C interceptors and is designed to display the air situation from the radar.


The equipment also included the inertial navigation system LISA 4000 and data exchange equipment in the closed mode of the Link 11 standard.

The upgraded Lancers received Israeli weapons - Rafael's Python-3 air combat missiles and Elbit's Whizzard guided bombs. New pylons have also been developed for the MiG-21 Lancer, allowing the suspension of both Western-standard weapons and Russian-Soviet-made weapons.

According to open sources, the Romanian Air Force received: 75 strike Lancer A, 10 two-seat Lancer B and 25 Lancer C fighters. However, such figures are questionable. By the end of the 1990s, a significant part of the Romanian MiG-21MF ran out of service, and the required number of aircraft was not available. It is possible that in order to fulfill the Romanian contract, the same type of fighters were purchased in other countries, or the number of modernized aircraft included aircraft of foreign customers who preferred not to advertise the fact of modernization.

F-16MLU fighters


At the beginning of the 21st century, the basis of the Romanian military aviation was the MiG-40 Lancer. However, part of the Lancers was lost in flight accidents, and many Soviet-built vehicles, whose age was approaching 10 years old, had already exhausted their resources. 21 years after the modernization of the MiG-2013MF, new fighters were required to maintain the fighter fleet at a minimum level. According to the Military Balance 10 directory, nine years ago there were 6 Lancer A modification aircraft, 20 two-seat Lancer B and XNUMX Lancer C aircraft in service.

Romania did not have the necessary financial resources to acquire new combat aircraft, and, quite predictably, the command of Forţele Aeriene Române turned its attention to used fighters.

In 2010, the Romanian Ministry of Defense unveiled a plan for the phased modernization of the country's air force. At the first stage, it was planned to purchase 24 used F-16 fighters, at the second - 24 new F-16 Block 50/52, and at the third - 24 F-35A Lightning II fighters. Later, due to a lack of funds in the defense budget, the plan was revised.

In October 2013, the Romanian Ministry of Defense bought a batch of 12 used F-16AM / BM Fighting Falcon fighters from the Portuguese military department. Another 3 fighters were purchased in the United States under the Excess Defense Articles (EDA) program.

During presales, the F-16AM/BM block 15 aircraft were refurbished and upgraded to the F-16MLU 5.2R level, which offer capabilities similar to the F-16 Block 50/52 variants.


F-16MLU

The amount of the transaction was not disclosed, but, according to experts, it amounted to at least $700 million. Aviation weapons, spare parts and ground equipment were transferred along with the aircraft. Training of flight and technical personnel was carried out, as well as the creation of a service and repair center.


The delivery of the F-16MLU was carried out from September 2016 to September 2017, the aircraft became part of the 53rd Fighter Squadron.

At the beginning of 2022, information appeared that Romania intends to buy 32 F-16A/B fighters from the Norwegian Air Force for a total of $513 million. For their modernization in the United States to F-16MLU 6.5.2 level, related logistics support, as well as a package of equipment and services, it is planned to spend another $100 million. The aircraft will be delivered in a fully combat-ready condition with a resource that ensures their operation for at least 10 years before the 5th generation F-35A Lightning II fighters are put into service.

It is assumed that all F-16MLU 6.5.2 purchased in Norway will be transferred to combat units before 2024. In 2023, the Romanian Air Force should operate at least 24 F-16MLU 6.5.2. As Norwegian fighters arrive, the modernization of aircraft previously purchased in Portugal will begin.

The number and current state of the fighter fleet of the Romanian Air Force


Currently, the Romanian Air Force has about two dozen single-seat MiG-21 Lancer C and four to five double-seat MiG-21 Lancer B in flight condition.


Satellite image of Google Earth: MiG-21 fighters stored at Bacau airfield

Until recently, more than three dozen MiG-21s were stored at the Bacau airfield near the border with Moldova. Previously, this airfield was the home of the 951st Fighter Squadron, where Lancer pilots were trained.


MiG-21 Lancer C from the 711th Fighter Squadron

Aircraft of this type are in service with the 711th Fighter Squadron, deployed at the 71st General Emanoil Ionescu airbase, located near the city of Campia Turzi in the central part of the country.


Satellite image of Google Earth: MiG-21 fighters at the 71st airbase "General Emanoil Ionescu"

Four MiG-21 Lancer C, belonging to the 71st air base, as part of the NATO Baltic Air Policing mission from August 2007 to November 2007 were on duty at the Siauliai air base in Lithuania. Romanian fighters replaced the French Mirage 2000C in the Baltics. The Romanian air group attracted a lot of local media attention, not least because it was only the second time that Soviet-made fighters available in NATO countries were on duty in Šiauliai. Before that, MiG-29s of the Polish Air Force were deployed there in 2006.

The Lancers, assigned to the 71st Air Base, have been flying intensively since 2004. However, after 10 years of service, their activity began to decline, and judging by the available satellite images, most of the combat aircraft at the 71st air base are now not in flight condition.

The 861st Squadron, whose pilots fly single-seat and two-seat modernized MiGs, is officially assigned to the 86th Aviator George Mochornita airbase, located near the village of Fetesti, in southeastern Romania.


MiG-21 Lancer C and F-16MLU fighters of the Romanian Air Force

The 86rd squadron, armed with F-53MLU fighters, is also stationed at the 16th air base. Unlike the worn-out Lancers, the Romanian Fighting Falcons are for the most part in good technical condition, and their coefficient of technical readiness is not lower than 0,8. According to reference data, 14 aircraft are in service.


Satellite image of Google Earth: F-16MLU fighters at the 86th airbase "Aviator George Mochornita"

After the reconstruction of the infrastructure of the 86th Air Base, carried out from 2014 to 2016 in order to bring it to NATO standards, it is used only to accommodate the F-16MLU, which is currently the main combat force of the Romanian Air Force.

MiG-21 fighters from the Aviator Georgy Mochornita air base were relocated to the Mihail Kogalniceanu airfield in the vicinity of Constanta, which is at the disposal of the command of the 86th air base. In total, Romania has 13 airfields with a hard surface and the necessary infrastructure, on which fighters can be based for a long time.


Satellite image of Google Earth: F-16MLU and MiG-21 Lancer fighters at the Mihail Kogalniceanu airfield

The Romanian Air Force lost several Lancers in flight accidents. The last disaster occurred on March 2, 2022. The MiG-21 fighter of the Romanian Air Force took off from the airfield "Mikhail Kogelniceanu" and crashed in the area between the settlements of Kocalak and Gura Dobrogei. An IAR 330 Puma helicopter flew in search of him, which also crashed, killing all seven crew members. Until the reasons for the incident were clarified, the Romanian Ministry of Defense banned all flights of the MiG-21 and IAR 330 Puma.

However, it has recently become known that the MiG-21 will serve until the arrival of F-16 fighters from Norway. Currently, the Romanian government is actively discussing the possibility of transferring MiG-21 fighter jets to Ukraine, which are in flight condition. However, given the age and technical condition of these vehicles, they are unlikely to be of serious combat value.
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  1. +11
    25 July 2022 16: 18
    About the Romanians, about what kind of warriors they are, the Germans spoke best of all ... once and for all!
    1. +2
      25 July 2022 17: 35
      I saw this army in Kapyar. The controllers prayed to leave as soon as possible.
      1. +3
        25 July 2022 17: 40
        I had to see them, and indeed everyone who was then, as it were, with us ...
        I don't have a good word to say about anyone.
        1. +6
          26 July 2022 07: 37
          Good morning Victor! smile
          I disagree a little with you, I judge by the reviews of my friends who were in Angola (at that very time), and they have a very high opinion of the Cuban fighters and the pilots from the GDR, both in their deeds and in personal communication at their leisure. My friends were doctors and often communicated not only for professional reasons. smile drinks
          1. +2
            26 July 2022 08: 05
            Hi Konstantin soldier
            Let's just say ... I wrote many times that I have great respect for comrades from CUBA, I had a long experience of communication and ....
            Well, I respect the Vietnamese, the Angolans ... fighters from Latin America.
            But all the rest ... very selectively, personally, one might say.
            About those who are from the former socialist camp ... paradoxically, only the Germans command respect!
        2. +3
          26 July 2022 08: 38
          Thank you author for the article! There is no desire to write about MiG-23? Especially about the problems of operation ... it was too early for him to leave us all.
          1. +1
            26 July 2022 08: 46
            Quote: Civil
            About MiG-23

            But in a good film they were captured ... "In the zone of special attention"!
            It is clear that in the episode, but as a background, they looked good.
    2. +5
      25 July 2022 18: 16
      Quote: rocket757
      About the Romanians, about what kind of warriors they are, the Germans spoke best of all ... once and for all!


      Nevertheless, they are carefully and wisely, rationally approaching maintaining the level of combat capability of their fighter aircraft. Not like some independents who squandered the huge inheritance of the Union and aviation as well. Romania can be a real example for Ukraine in the development of its Air Force, even more than Poland, since Ukraine, in terms of its financial capabilities, is closer to Romania, and not to richer Poland.

      . Currently, the Romanian government is actively discussing the possibility of transferring MiG-21 fighter jets to Ukraine, which are in flight condition. However, given the age and technical condition of these vehicles, they are unlikely to be of serious combat value.


      Who would have thought 30 years ago that Romania would discuss the issue of transferring, to put it mildly, not new MiG-21s from the Romanian Air Force to Ukraine?
      1. -2
        25 July 2022 18: 46
        I can't add or subtract anything.
        Romania is not interesting, in the backyard of politics ...
        1. +3
          28 July 2022 03: 36
          Given that Romania has claims to the whole of Moldova and part of Ukraine, we are just interested in it. Simply because we may well meet them in battle. And we must understand what we can resist on this front. Of course, Romanians alone will not fight, but as part of a coalition they may try to occupy some territories on the sly. Tch collision with them in battle is quite likely. Again, they can transfer the equipment they have to Ukraine, and you also need to understand what they can transfer and in what condition.
          1. +7
            28 July 2022 03: 40
            Solidarity with you! Do not underestimate the enemy, no matter how weak he may seem. Yes I am currently doing an article about Romanian object air defense systems.
            1. +4
              28 July 2022 03: 53
              I try to look realistically at the forces opposing us. Even a small army or contingent is a weight on the scales. In a specific place and on a specific TVD, which may turn out to be critical or at least unpleasant. Even if we are stronger, this does not mean that we will be able to throw hats on the enemy. If the Transnistrian conflict unfreezes while our main part of the strike force is occupied in the Donbass, then the Romanian army and air force will become an extremely serious factor. And the capabilities of their air defense and air force largely determine whether we can provide timely assistance to the PMR with aviation. Tch Romania is extremely relevant now. hi
      2. 0
        27 July 2022 11: 45
        Yes, something is regularly shot down by pepelats and turntables who have squandered "some squares". Well squandered? By the way, another question: whose aviation is more combat-ready: Ukrainian or Romanian?
        1. 0
          27 July 2022 11: 54
          Of course, Romanian. It is both larger and better. In Romania, the basis of aviation is the F-16MLU, which offer capabilities similar to the F-16 Block 50/52 options.
          After the reconstruction of the infrastructure of the 86th Air Base, carried out from 2014 to 2016 in order to bring it to NATO standards, it is used only to accommodate the F-16MLU, which is currently the main combat force of the Romanian Air Force.


          In October 2013, the Romanian Ministry of Defense bought a batch of 12 used F-16AM / BM Fighting Falcon fighters from the Portuguese military department. Another 3 fighters were purchased in the United States under the Excess Defense Articles (EDA) program.

          During presales, the F-16AM/BM block 15 aircraft were refurbished and upgraded to the F-16MLU 5.2R level, which offer capabilities similar to the F-16 Block 50/52 variants.
    3. -2
      25 July 2022 19: 18
      It seems that VK Nikolai Nikolaevich is credited with the following words: if Romania enters the war on the side of Germany, we will need 15 divisions to defeat it, if on our side, the same number to save it from defeat. In any case, Russia loses 15 divisions.
      1. +1
        25 July 2022 19: 33
        To attribute some historical statements to one or another famous person of that time ... there are no ends to be found here!
        I came across the same, only in relation to the German commander. It happens!
        The main thing is that no one disputes the essence of the statement ... except for the Romanians, of course.
        1. +2
          26 July 2022 06: 24
          It seems to me that the phrase about 15 divisions was composed by the novelist Pikul. I saw her in "I have the honor."
          1. 0
            26 July 2022 07: 46
            So writers, creative people and entertainers, how else to look for them!
            Journalists invent even more, but this is rarely remembered, mostly a one-time trick.
          2. 0
            27 July 2022 10: 46
            most often such statements belong to Unknown Authors of prehistoric times. Then, some smart guy finds them in the annals and "modernizes" them, like the planes in the article. And yes, for weightiness, he will certainly attribute it to military or political "authority";)
    4. -1
      25 July 2022 20: 35
      but sensing the weakness, the creatures will attack
  2. +1
    25 July 2022 16: 22
    However, given the age and technical condition of these vehicles, they are unlikely to be of serious combat value.
    And thank God. Not for horse food. request
  3. +2
    25 July 2022 16: 22
    They got everything. From the 21st car to the 29th. Yes, Ceausescu was on his mind, but the army had a good materiel. In a couple of years, they will begin to receive f-35, we will add hemorrhoids.
  4. +14
    25 July 2022 16: 33
    Pleasant surprise - article from Bongo at 16.00. Informative / in fact / nothing more. The slug is good.
    Romania had an aviation industry even before WWII, and has now. Sergey - I bow! drinks
    As far as I understand, the IAR-93 had a Yugoslav twin brother - SOKO J-22 "Orao" ("eagle")? Photo - Wikipedia.
    1. +7
      26 July 2022 05: 21
      Nikolay, hello! Thanks for the kind words! drinks

      Quote: Pane Kohanku
      As far as I understand, the IAR-93 had a Yugoslav twin brother - SOKO J-22 "Orao" ("eagle")? Photo - Wikipedia.

      And there is! Romania and Yugoslavia made this plane together. In general, in its class was not a bad car.
      1. +3
        26 July 2022 09: 01
        Nikolay, hello! Thanks for the kind words!

        Hello, Sergey! drinks
        In general, in its class was not a bad car.

        I readily believe! Yes Looking forward to new articles!
    2. +1
      27 July 2022 11: 47
      It's not just a twin brother. This is a joint development of Romania and Yugoslavia. By the way, the plane was very good, and managed to fight in numerous wars in Yugoslavia
  5. 52
    0
    25 July 2022 16: 56
    As a one-time strike kamikaze litak, the "balalaika" can do business, yes. And how else to explain the fearless attacks of the Su-25 aircraft 404? This "ancient flight" with a delta wing is not so outdated, if used correctly, it can cause problems. Kill everyone!
    1. 0
      27 July 2022 11: 52
      Yes, and not a one-time either. It's not about the obsolescence of a particular technique, but about its skillful application. If they do not engage in dogfights, but approach at low altitude, strike and leave at high speed - why not? Another question is that the MiG-21 does not have sights for dropping bombs and using guided air-to-ground missiles. Therefore, he can only fully use the cannon and NURSs. Another point is the great deterioration of the MiG-21. I think the Romanians use them only for initial training and maintaining flight skills, because there will not be enough for all F-16s. And I wonder if they conducted test air battles of the F-16 and MiG-21? It's clear who has the advantage, just wondering
  6. +3
    25 July 2022 17: 01
    Thanks for the article, interesting. hi
  7. +5
    25 July 2022 18: 11
    Good afternoon Sergey, I'm still waiting for your work, like Manna from heaven, thank you.
  8. +3
    25 July 2022 18: 13
    the possibility of transferring MiG-21 fighters to Ukraine, which are in flight condition, is being discussed. However, given the age and technical condition of these vehicles, they are unlikely to be of serious combat value.
    Firstly, will they find those who remember how to fly the MiG-21, and, which is also important, how to service them? Those who could, are already at retirement age. Well, let's say that the technicians will cope even at retirement age ... for some time, if not too intensely straining, because the forces are not the same. And the health of the pilots is not enough. In addition, these are not ordinary combatant 21st times of the USSR, the Jews have changed and added a lot of things there, and this will also need to be studied. Documentation probably in Romanian, or Hebrew, maybe in English, but never in Move. Does 404 have time to study? And the article also says that they were converted for Israeli missiles, but is it still possible to hang Soviet ones? Israel seems to have so far refused to supply 404 weapons, limiting itself to helmets and medical equipment, and it does not supply missiles itself, and does not allow others, so even Romanian stocks are not necessarily something that can be used.
    1. +2
      26 July 2022 10: 26
      Quote: Nagan
      the possibility of transferring MiG-21 fighters to Ukraine, which are in flight condition, is being discussed. However, given the age and technical condition of these vehicles, they are unlikely to be of serious combat value.
      Firstly, will they find those who remember how to fly the MiG-21, and, which is also important, how to service them? Those who could, are already at retirement age. Well, let's say that the technicians will cope even at retirement age ... for some time, if not too intensely straining, because the forces are not the same. And the health of the pilots is not enough. In addition, these are not ordinary combatant 21st times of the USSR, the Jews have changed and added a lot of things there, and this will also need to be studied. Documentation probably in Romanian, or Hebrew, maybe in English, but never in Move. Does 404 have time to study? And the article also says that they were converted for Israeli missiles, but is it still possible to hang Soviet ones? Israel seems to have so far refused to supply 404 weapons, limiting itself to helmets and medical equipment, and it does not supply missiles itself, and does not allow others, so even Romanian stocks are not necessarily something that can be used.

      Did you carefully read the article?... it says that the use of Soviet / Russian weapons is possible... this time...
      Secondly, maybe it’s enough to put pressure on the enemy’s abilities? Do you think the neighbors will not find people who know English and are able to pilot this modification of the MiG-21? Or that they do not have enough time to retrain? While the SVO is progressing at such a pace that before the complete defeat of Ukraine in the West, they will have time to develop a death star, saturate their Air Force and transfer it to their neighbors ...
      PS: yes, Romania has too few airworthy MiG-21s (first of all, it is the quantitative factor, not the quality that is important) for serious help, but even such help can cause damage to us. Despite all the assurances about the destruction of 146% of the Air Force and Air Defense fleet of Ukraine, their planes are bombing, and ours are afraid to work off the ground ...
      1. -3
        27 July 2022 18: 23
        Maybe enough to overestimate? Why blow into Girkin's pipe? By the way, the Sumerians fell in love with him sharply.
  9. 0
    25 July 2022 18: 27
    MiG-21 in Ukraine would be cool.
  10. +5
    25 July 2022 18: 31
    Hello again Sergey, a big request to you. Yesterday I watched Top Gun: Maverick, spat in all directions with matyuks, but read about the pilot training center in the USA, the same Top Gun, very interesting.
    At the same time, I read about the Soviet Top Gun in Turkmenistan, very scarcely and little, and it’s a pity, I rummaged through the entire Internet.
    Could you write about this, I understand I ask a lot and you have a lot of your own worries, but I really want to read about it. Thank you again.
    1. +6
      26 July 2022 05: 31
      Andrey, hello! Haven't talked in a while! hi
      Quote: merkava-2bet
      Yesterday I watched Top Gun: Maverick, spat in all directions with swear words, but read about the pilot training center in the USA, the same Top Gun, very interesting.

      I haven't seen this movie yet so I can't say. There are only screens on torrents so far, and this film is unlikely to be shown in the Russian box office. But a lot has been written and filmed about the American "Top Gun", and I don't want to repeat myself. As for its Soviet counterpart, implemented within the framework of the "Caucasus" program, then we need to dig here, and so far I cannot take up this topic.
      1. +2
        26 July 2022 13: 55
        hi
        Good afternoon!
        I’ll be back for a while, I also searched for data on this topic for a long time, I found only this, in 2 parts (it would be interesting what else is there ...):
        Aviation Colonel 1st Class Military Pilot Igor Kartashev.
        cand. military Sci. Colonel of Aviation Military Pilot 1st Class Zinovy ​​Nikitin
        Laureate of the State Prize Aviation Colonel Military Pilot 1st Class Pyotr Chernysh
        Photos provided by Sergey Tsvetkov

        Metamorphoses of Combat Training of Soviet Fighter Aviation in the Post-War Period"
        https://coollib.com/b/224372-zhurnal-istoriya-aviatsii-istoriya-aviatsii-2002-05/read#t9
        https://coollib.com/b/224816-zhurnal-istoriya-aviatsii-istoriya-aviatsii-2002-06/read#t10

        "Free air combat looked like this: a couple came to the air combat zone, opened at the command of the leader, and from the "back to back" position, the pilots began to maneuver in space, trying to get in each other's tail. But this was not enough. To win in free combat it was necessary to execute on the "enemy" a "test" burst from onboard weapons.
        Air battles between pairs and units of fighters were organized somewhat differently and began with the sequential entry of "opponents" into the air combat zone. The search was carried out visually. The first to see silently took the starting position for the attack and after that warned his opponent on the radio: “Attack!”. On this command, the pair or flight that came under attack performed mainly simple aerobatics without opening the group. This ended the battle, and the "opponents" returned to the airfield.
        The line queuing was determined by a photo camera gun (PCF) film, in which the number of frames corresponded to the duration of pressing the combat button (which was approximately equal to or slightly more than 1,5 seconds), the lead angle was set, and the range of distances was within effective shooting. Simultaneously with the grid of the sight, the clock face was synchronously projected onto the film, which allowed analyzing the “battle” to understand which of the opponents was the first to execute the “test” line.
        The damage to the way of organizing combat between pairs and links was already obvious to a certain extent. The military theorists (both domestic and foreign) chose not to think about more complex battles between squadrons (especially in the conditions of the numerical superiority of the enemy).
        ...
        As a result, test flights and LTU began to be evaluated only for the quality of photo shooting according to the sum of the results achieved by their participants, without taking into account the assessment for timeliness and accuracy at the place of impact on the enemy. The trend emerging in this situation to improve the accuracy of aiming using a gyroscopic sight, combined with the desire of the flight crew to hide from their subordinates their inability to conduct free air combat, predetermined the focus of combat training on a single air combat (duel). Under this, a quite solid theoretical base was laid down, and, retrospectively evaluating its main provisions, one has to admit that it really had quite a certain common sense, and it was completely impossible to question it half a century ago.
        ...
        Meanwhile, the number of veterans who had combat experience (including the war in Korea) in the Air Force naturally decreased every year, and new strategic approaches and realities dictated their own logic of development of events. The regular flights of American and British reconnaissance aircraft over the Soviet Union that had begun in the meantime had a very hard effect both on the morale of the flight crew and on approaches to the design of combat vehicles. The lack of sufficiently powerful jet engines forced the start of another round of the struggle to reduce the mass of fighters, which the “breather” did not allow to climb onto the operational ceiling of the reconnaissance potential enemy. Even more disturbing information came through the channels of the GRU: agents reported that the crews of American bombers were flying over the Soviet Union with overall weight models of nuclear bombs.
        It is clear that if enemy bombers strike with nuclear bombs on the cities of the USSR, then there will no longer be much point in air battles with NATO fighters over Germany and Hungary. As a result, as in the years of the Great Patriotic War, everything secondary “flew overboard” from Soviet fighters, which could be dispensed with when intercepting high-altitude targets. I had to part even with part of the weapons and ammunition, not to mention the instruments and the armored back.
        After another revision of the weight, the watch was removed, and the FKP-13 came to replace the S-17 photo-camera gun, which was on the MiG-2. When firing, he photographed not the position of the target relative to the axis of the aircraft and its weapons, but the position of the target in the sight grids. But most importantly, he did not have a watch. A "test" film could be made immediately after the landing gear was removed or when the group was assembled and not suffer when building cunning maneuvers in a training battle.
        ...
        Meanwhile, even in the event of a successful approach to the target according to ground-based radars and their own avionics, most fighter pilots, and even more so interceptor pilots, would hardly be able to hit an air target with airborne weapons. In other words, the power of Soviet fighter aircraft in the second half of the 50s became more and more ephemeral.
        Anticipating that this thesis may cause accusations of incompetence and slander among militant patriots from among the veterans of the Soviet armed forces and the "defense", we note that the crowning point of the training course for aerial shooting was shooting at a glider, which was towed on an 800-meter cable by a jet bomber Il -28. However, as it turned out, training in shooting from a distance of 300 meters or more, which was practiced at that time, led to the fact that it was very difficult for pilots trained according to approved methods to get into the glider. Needless to say, accidents of this kind were rare, and each regiment knew its heroes, who were usually the last to fly out.
        It must be said that the situation that was developing was largely known to the Air Force command based on the results of ongoing checks and inspections. However, there were no ways to solve the problem that had arisen, since the pilots of the units being checked acted strictly according to the written instructions, which was recorded in the relevant documents.
      2. +3
        26 July 2022 14: 09
        "The need for the rapid implementation of the experience of Vietnam and Egypt was so obvious that the development and implementation of the Caucasus program began at a feverish pace on the basis of the 187th Fighter Aviation Regiment stationed at the Mary airfield, and on May 22, 1969, a directive was issued by the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force, Air Marshal P. S. Kutakhova "On the creation of squadrons of masters of combat use in fighter aviation units". The same document indicated the formation of these units "from among the pilots of the 1st class". In other words, from those very "pot-bellied" interceptors. The bulk of the latter to this time has already lost almost all the skills of conducting air battles, and most importantly, did not even dream of remembering them. As a result, after a while, many of them began to smoothly write off from flight work. It could not be otherwise, since they obviously were not able to start flying life anew.As a result, the squadron of "masters", formed from pilots of the 1st and 2nd class, lasted less than a year Yes.
        ...
        The emerging crisis of weapons in the conditions of mobile combat was soon resolved, but this did not happen immediately. Gradually it became clear that the impossibility of hitting the target in the “carousel” of turns can be compensated by a sudden attack on the enemy going in a sharp turn with a large amount of overload from relatively comfortable conditions for launching a rocket (i.e. high speed and overload no higher than 2 units). It became obvious that in this case the trajectory of an attack on a target going on a turn should be made tangential to the arc of its turn.

        this program began to be introduced in the spring of 1972 at the training camp of flight personnel in the Air Force associations, at the same time it received its exotic name "corrida".
        Why is it still "corrida"?
        Most likely because the perception by the flight crew of those requirements for individual aerobatics, which were the main content of these exercises, was to some extent akin to the attitude of the audience towards the bullfighter and what he did in the arena. After all, if the flights under the "Caucasus" program differed from the usual ones primarily in the range of piloting conditions - low altitude, maximum speed and overload, i.e., the intensity of piloting, then the main criterion by which group flights for aerobatics and air combat were evaluated according to " 500th”, and also a decision was made to complete the task, there was an intensity of piloting of each participant in the group flight.
        ...
        In general, thanks to the appearance of bullfighting, the flight crew received initial skills in the ability to plan an air battle and simulate the content of its stages, methods of professional analysis of the results of flights to the zone and to air combat. However, it should be noted that before the couple (not to mention the link) received permission to practice maneuvering combat, it had to master a number of techniques (“shell”, hook, “crab”, etc.).
        The organization of a typical training air combat in the “pair for a pair” format now looked as follows. Each of the two pairs of fighters included in the zone had its own combat control radio channel. At the same time, the leader of each pair agreed with his combat control officer how often he would report data on the position of enemy aircraft. The fight could last up to 10 minutes. In the event that one of the "opponents" went into the tail of another, he informed his combat control officer that he was observing the target, after which he switched the RLPK to the "Capture" mode and switched to the enemy's radio communication channel, informing the latter "I see. I'm attacking!" If he did not succeed in throwing the pursuer off his tail immediately, then the fight stopped, since the victory was obvious.
        ...
        In addition, it should be noted that the time for checking each regiment was determined before the start of the next academic year, and “everything and everything” was rushed to prepare “for Maram”. As a result, a process began in the units, reminiscent of schoolchildren cramming subjects before exams, who “safely and tastefully” skipped almost the entire academic year. And this was not surprising, since the assessment "for Mary" played a key role in determining the level of combat training of the regiment for the year. At the same time, it was no longer possible to close the gaps in combat training with any painted grass and whitewashed border, as well as the number and size of pigs in the regimental pig farm. In their desire to look better, the command of formations and associations sometimes reached the point of ridiculousness.
        In one of the air armies, from three regiments of a fighter air division, in an atmosphere of high secrecy, a "regiment" of the best pilots was formed, which was sent to Mary. After receiving an excellent grade, he disappeared in the same heightened secrecy, and a rain of thanks and awards poured down on the command from above. A “linden” of such a scale was generated by the show described above and, of course, could not even serve as such a “face” when trying to determine the real degree of combat readiness of the fighter aviation of the formation, and even more so the USSR Air Force IA.
        ...
        The largest number of disruptions, for which "penalty points" were awarded, were made by combat control officers and pilots at the stage of entering the battle. At the same time, it should be noted that the exercises by the checked regiments were initially carried out according to a simplified scheme. For example, one of the most common miscalculations in the "deliberate squadron combat" plan was the choice of a single radio channel on which all 12 pilots were radioing. In real conditions, this would quickly lead to confusion, since, on the one hand, the enemy could easily jam him with interference, and on the other hand, at the right time, all the pilots might not have heard the necessary information. Flying was still limping: when performing energetic maneuvers, although accompanied by a warning on the radio (for example, “We turn the left “screw”!”), The followers broke away, immediately turning into easy “prey” for experienced Marys, whose “MiGs” soon, with good reason, formidable shark mouths were decorated, eerily warning that, if necessary, they would scare anyone. Note that in a battle between links, the loss of two of their aircraft by one link was unequivocally assessed as a “two”.
        At the end of the LTU, firing was carried out at La-17 maneuvering radio-controlled targets. For each checked regiment, four to six targets were allocated, which had to be eventually shot down under certain conditions.
        ...
        in the direction of greater objectivity, the standards for obtaining marks for solving tactical problems were revised. Now the methodology for assessing LTU was fundamentally different from that set out in the current Combat Training Course. In this manual, the results of LTU were evaluated by the average score from the sum of the results of combat applications of LTU participants by the number of pilots who performed or did not perform conditional firing and bombing. In Mary, an overall assessment of the regiment could be obtained only for the degree to which the combat mission was completed.
        So, for example, according to the course of combat training of front-line fighter aircraft, the interception of a single reconnaissance aircraft by a pair was estimated by the average score of the leader and follower photo shooting. If both, having intercepted the “pathfinder”, performed on a test launch or queue, the pair was rated “excellent”.
        In Mary, this was no longer enough. A pair could count on the “five” only if both fighters “fired” at the reconnaissance before the latter entered the reconnaissance area. The rating was "good" if they both successfully attacked the "enemy" over the reconnaissance area, and "troika" - if they destroyed the target after leaving the area. Thus, without violating the requirements of the current Combat Training Course, its standards for evaluating combat applications, as it were, were superimposed on the tactical content of the dynamics of "combat" actions, i.e. the degree of performance of combat missions was assessed.
        At the end of the check of combat skills at the Mary air base, a rather impressive act was drawn up, in the content of which, in addition to the specifics of completing tasks and marks for their performance, the management of the 1521st base necessarily (on one page of typewritten text) formulated an assessment of the ability of the regiment commander personally to make practical decisions, organize combat operations and manage them in the dynamics of LTU. The commander of the regiment could receive such an assessment on the basis of factual material only in Mary, and at that time there were more than enough "specialists" who assessed his commanding abilities and moral and political appearance. All these appraisers were united by only two criteria - the commander's ability to carry out directives and codes from above and the state of military discipline in the regiment. Of course, the scores obtained in the course of various inspections carried out during the year were also taken into account, but, as before, the score obtained in Mary dominated. She also testified to the quality of work of the commander of the fighter division and the commander of the formation. It was their face as well, and they were very principled about how it looked."
    2. 0
      27 July 2022 11: 54
      Look for the magazine "World of Aviation" about 15-20 years ago, I can't say for sure. Everything was written there in great detail about the Soviet "Aggressors" with cognac stars
  11. 0
    25 July 2022 18: 43
    According to expert estimates, the Romanian IAR 93, when used correctly, was able to successfully withstand the American A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft or the West German Alpha Jet, as well as anti-tank and transport-combat helicopters.
    Sounds pretty embarrassing for a fighter. Even for a fighter-bomber. Something like "The Estonian Hound is bred to herd lame turtles and injured snails." (By the way, they say that the Estonian hounds are a real breed of dogs, the owners are offended by the joke).
    The contract was officially completed in April 2003. Its cost was $330 million.
    Stunned. MiG-21s were famous for their cheapness (they say that the price was comparable to the price of the BMP-1). And here - a third of a billion for the modernization of hundreds of cars.
    1. +6
      25 July 2022 21: 45
      Stunned. MiG-21s were famous for their cheapness (they say that the price was comparable to the price of the BMP-1). And here - a third of a billion for the modernization of hundreds of cars.

      The first versions of the 21st may have cost comparable to the BMP-1, although I strongly doubt something, but the latter were far from being so cheap. 3.3 million per unit is a penny, how much does a bush falcon cost there, 10-12 lyams, I think, maybe more. Romania needed some kind of fighters and as cheaply as possible.
    2. +1
      27 July 2022 12: 28
      bk0010
      Sounds pretty embarrassing for a fighter. Even for a fighter-bomber

      IAR-93/J-22 is not a fighter. This is a light strike aircraft, similar to the Alpha Jet, CASA C-101 and other similar aircraft that have grown out of trainers. And fighter-bombers (tactical fighters) have always been called strike vehicles with a limited ability to conduct air combat (Su-7, Su-17/22, MiG-23BN / MiG-27, AMX-10, Su-34, etc.). That is, these machines can shoot down something non-fighter (transporter, helicopter, etc.), but only a defensive battle can be waged against a fighter with a high probability of losing it. These machines were not created for air combat, but are capable of conducting it with certain restrictions. There are fighter-bombers that were created specifically on the basis of fighters (Su-7, Su-34, MiG-23BN / 27, F-15E, strike versions of the MiG-15/17/21, F-16, etc.). Here they can conduct a more or less full-fledged air battle. The J-22 / IAR-93 was originally designed as an attack vehicle, it just has good maneuverability and can carry air-to-air missiles with infrared seeker. But this is not enough to consider the aircraft a fighter. So there is nothing offensive - each car has its own job
    3. +1
      27 July 2022 14: 56
      Quote: bk0010
      Sounds pretty embarrassing for a fighter. Even for a fighter-bomber.

      If you think that the A-10 or Alpha Jet are easy opponents in close air combat, then you are greatly mistaken.
      1. 0
        27 July 2022 15: 23
        A-10 I didn't mention. I think that if he meets with approximately such a "classmate" as the Su-25, AMX, Yak-130, armed with air-to-air missiles with infrared seeker, then he will have a very hard time. If without missiles, but only with guns and NURS, then it is also very difficult. In terms of maneuverability, he is inferior to his "classmates", his cannon is practically not applicable in air combat. It is theoretically possible to shoot down an enemy aircraft with NURSs, but it is difficult. Theoretically, you can hang Sidewinders on the A-10 (I don’t know if such an option is provided). However, the A-10 is still a bad example. Alpha Jet - the question is who he will meet in a dogfight. If with "classmates" - he has a chance. If with modern fighters Su-27 ... 35, MiG-29, F-16 ... 18 and other Eurofighters, I think it will be very hard for him. Air combat is not only somersaults on loops, it has a lot of factors in which acceleration characteristics, weapon capabilities and board play a role. I will not argue that the most important thing will, of course, be the skill of the pilot
        1. +1
          27 July 2022 17: 34
          Quote: futurohunter
          A-10 I didn't mention.

          In my comment it is indicated to whom it is addressed, not to you. No.
          Quote: futurohunter
          Alpha Jet - the question is who he will meet in a dogfight. If with "classmates" - he has a chance. If with modern fighters Su-27 ... 35, MiG-29, F-16 ... 18 and other Eurofighters, I think it will be very hard for him.

          Read at your leisure about Alpha Jet:
          https://topwar.ru/106452-sovmestnye-poslevoennye-evropeyskie-proekty-boevyh-samoletov-chast-3.html
          1. 0
            28 July 2022 01: 45
            I read it. But since the Second World War it has been known that if your opponent has a better horizontal maneuver, and you have a higher thrust-to-weight ratio and acceleration characteristics, do not "become a turn"! It makes no sense for modern fighters with a higher thrust-to-weight ratio and higher acceleration characteristics to "dance" with a light bird. Moreover, this bird carries only a cannon and NURSs. Such a bird is attacked either by missiles from a range of several kilometers, or, if they have entered close combat, they do not allow it to go into the tail, leaving for a vertical maneuver. Actually, in Korea, the MiG-15 did this with early Sabers. The MiG had a higher thrust-to-weight ratio, while the Saber had a horizontal maneuver. Therefore, with the Sabers, they did not circle on turns, but attacked vertically. Then, however, a more powerful engine was put on the Sabers, and the MiGs lost their advantages
  12. +3
    25 July 2022 19: 19
    And a good MiG 21 machine still flies and flies well!
    1. 0
      27 July 2022 12: 36
      It's not about good or not. Any aircraft has a service life and any aircraft becomes obsolete against the background of more modern models
  13. -3
    25 July 2022 19: 54
    In short, it sucks...
  14. +2
    25 July 2022 22: 16
    Quote: Grossvater
    And a good MiG 21 machine still flies and flies well!

    The best in my practice

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