"Warthog" in the sky of Ukraine: everything is possible

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Interesting things are happening in the US military. I am sure that in Ukraine they are watching what is happening very carefully, since this can benefit the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And you can not extract, everything, as they say, is very ambiguous.

In general, the American military today are like diplomats. They don’t explain anything directly, but on the other hand, between the letters in the words they give out information that allows you to draw certain conclusions.



US Air Force Chief of Staff General Charles Brown recently said that "the Ukrainian air force will eventually have to start to abandon its Soviet-era combat aircraft and everything that comes next will be something un-Russian."

In general, this is a very logical opinion, because Russian planes do not shine for Ukraine at all, and if there is Ukraine in the form in which the United States wants to see it, then its Air Force will be equipped with something from the arsenals of the West.


True, in the event of a non-Western outcome of the NMD, the Ukrainian Air Force will still be armed with Russian-made aircraft.

But here, as they say, time will put everything on the runways.

Climbing up the ranking ladder. And above us is US Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall, who recently fell into the tenacious clutches of American journalists. And those, already aware of Brown's opinion, directly asked the minister about whether the States were going to share aviation with neighbors, that is, with Ukraine.


The Minister of the Air Force dodged like a diplomat during a discussion of the possibility of presenting a note, demonstrating serious preparation in this regard. But in the end, Kendall did not reject the possibility of considering in a positive way the issue of transferring A-10 attack aircraft, which are “Warthogs”, to Ukraine.

David Ignatius of The Washington Post, who moderated Kendall's Aspen talk, asked the Secretary of the Air Force about aircraft models that the US Air Force could safely part with. The answer was quite direct: “A-10… is not the system we need against the opponents we are most worried about right now,” Kendall replied.

In general, in 2023, the US Air Force plans to write off 23 A-10 units. Knowing this, Ignatius directly asked the question: “Why don’t we give these planes to Ukraine?”

The Minister, as you can see, did not deny such a possibility.

“Deliveries of old American weapons systems are quite possible. We will be open to discussing with them (Ukrainian military - approx.), studying their requirements and how we could satisfy them.

The question of deliveries of European fighters is not ruled out. Air Force Chief of Staff Charles Brown did not elaborate on exactly what types of aircraft could be transferred to Ukraine, but he said there are several options to consider, which include the Swedish Gripen, French Rafale and Eurofighter.

In general, the information is ambiguous. On the one hand, the US administration refused Poland, which was ready to provide its MiG-29s to Ukraine if the US supplied F-16s in return. Then the Pentagon said that "this proposal cannot be called sound."

And now - a demonstration of a change of course?

It turns out that yes. Literally ten days ago, members of the US House of Representatives (this is the lower house of the US Congress, an analogue of our State Duma) voted "yes" on a very remarkable issue.

Every year, the House of Representatives approves such an interesting thing as funding for the Defense Policy Bill, or the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for the next (2023 in our case) fiscal year.

So, this year, funding for the training of Ukrainian fighter pilots was included in the project.

Now the draft is being finalized, and then it will go to the Senate for consideration and approval, and then it will go back to Congress for a final vote. And after that, to President Biden for signature, after which the project will become a financial law for next year.

It turns out interesting: both Kendall and Brown unanimously claim that they are not aware of the existing and approved plans to send American aircraft to Ukraine. However, a completely logical question arises: why then put money into the military budget for the training of Ukrainian pilots?

Let's reason, leaning on the Warthog's landing gear.


A-10 "Thunderbolt-2" or "Warthog".

It was produced from 1975 to 1984 in a series of 715 cars, including prototypes. That father-in-law, the “youngest” A-10s are cars that are 38 years old or more. But this, apparently, will be about attack aircraft, which are from 40 to 45 years old from among the 287 vehicles remaining in the US Air Force.

Of course, this is not a very long time for an aircraft, B-52s serve for 70 years, the whole question is how and with what loads. It's one thing to take off and fly a certain number of kilometers in level flight mode, drop bombs and lie down on the reverse course. The other is operations at the forefront, under air defense fire, with active maneuvering. The load on the airframe is somewhat different.

But - they will serve, here the question is only price and quality. The cost of one flight part of A-10 is more than 17 thousand US dollars.


In general, the plane is quite. Reservation of the cockpit and some units, double redundancy of structural elements and equipment, separation of engines and control wiring channels make it a very tenacious machine.

Cabin armor is generally considered the best in the world among aircraft. The cabin is made of rolled titanium armor with a thickness of 13 to 38 mm. On the inner surfaces of the armored cabin, an anti-fragmentation lining made of multilayer nylon fabric is installed.

Speed ​​qualities for an attack aircraft are not so important, and therefore the normal speed of the A-10 is 722 km / h, which is more than enough. The combat radius is slightly less than 500 km, which is also sufficient for front line support operations.

Armament is a separate issue. The A-10 is in perfect order with it, the aircraft has a more than impressive set of weapons:
- 1 30-mm seven-barrel gun GAU-8 / A with 1350 rounds;


- 11 suspension points, 10 or less can be used at the same time. Combat load 7 257 kg.


The A-10's arsenal includes AIM-9 air-to-air missiles, AGM-65 air-to-surface missiles, LAU-61, LAU-68 LAU-10 unguided missiles. Free-fall high-explosive bombs weighing 227, 340, 908 kg, napalm bombs weighing 340 kg, cluster bombs 350 and 370 kg. Guided bombs GBU-8, GBU-10, GBU-12.

Will such planes be wanted in Ukraine? Of course yes. Considering how quickly the Ukrainian Su-25s are knocked out, the A-10 is quite an option for replacement. Although in the class of leading edge support aircraft there is not much to choose from, to be honest.

How likely is all this?

Quite. Obviously, somewhere within the US system, a decision was made to fight to the last Ukrainian. Unfortunately, it's really noticeable. Moreover, it is unrealistic to win this war, all these handouts to a few air defense and air defense systems, individually transmitted artillery systems - this is an extension of the agony, nothing more.

I already wrote on the topic that training a pilot is not quite the same as, for example, training a driver tank. And here it’s not just to train, to retrain for a completely different technique. Complexity, time, money. With time and money in the US, everything is in order. But in Ukraine...

But it is clear that the American course is changing. Apparently, the Biden administration is tired of resisting those who want to fight to the last Ukrainian. If earlier the US authorities expressed concerns that the supply of such weapons could lead to an escalation of the conflict and increase the risk of spread outside of Ukraine, now everything is being reviewed.

Today, HIMARS MLRS, equipped with high-precision projectiles, and in the near future NASAMS air defense systems are safely supplied to Ukraine. The potential supply of such systems to Ukrainian forces was considered unrealistic just a few months ago.

The same was true for aircraft. Yes, tanks, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, artillery and ammunition were collected in the barrels of the former socialist camp. Stocks stored since Soviet times have come to a natural end, which means that we must either drain Ukraine, or take the next step and throw new firewood into the fire of war.

And now, in 2023, trained pilots and 21 A-10 attack aircraft will be waiting in Ukraine, which will be decommissioned by the corresponding service of the US Air Force.


It turns out that this can be done painlessly for the Air Force, since the States are not going to fight on land in the near future. Well, that's good. The bad news is that others will do it for the US.

Of course, whether Ukraine will receive any A-10s or not remains to be seen. The fears of Air Force specialists about the vulnerability of the Warthog in conditions when it is necessary to use an attack aircraft against an army armed with top-class air defense systems are not unfounded. Russia really has at its disposal the most modern air defense systems, which have already proved their worth and professional suitability today. Possible losses of A-10, even if written off, are still losses of money.

So for now, Ukrainian pilots will get into the cockpits of their Su-25s, while the United States will think about how profitable and justified sending A-10s to Ukraine will be.

The complex of decisions will affect not only the training and adaptation of pilots, but also many other factors: maintenance, repair, professional suitability of Ukrainian technicians and engineers, gunsmiths. In addition, with what set of weapons the A-10 will be supplied and what should be removed from the aircraft before the transfer, in order to avoid these components being made available to Russian specialists.


The practice of supplying weapons to Ukraine has already shown that sooner or later, everything will end up either in Ukraine, which is pro-Russian, or directly in Russia itself.

In general, the appearance of the A-10 in the sky of Ukraine even causes some interest. It would be useful to know how this aircraft, which has been used in combat operations, would be useful in Ukraine.


The A-10 received its baptism of fire during the occupation of Grenada. Then there was the Persian Gulf War, Operation Desert Storm, the war against Serbia, the A-10 fought in Afghanistan, the last operation was "freedom for Iraq", as a result of which Iraq, as a free state, ended.

The Warthog proved to be very, very good, but it is worth paying attention to the fact that apart from Iraq, which had at least some kind of sane air defense system, the rest of the countries were not equipped with modern air defense systems at least at the minimum level. And in Iraq, A-10s lost 7 aircraft shot down and 15 damaged. Of the damaged, some part was restored, and part went to the scrap.

The plane is interesting, the plane is efficient. How useful it can be in the skies of Ukraine can only be said when it will be used. It is quite possible that in the face of opposition from aviation and air defense of the Russian Armed Forces, the career of the decommissioned Warthogs will end very quickly. But even in this case, these aircraft will bring some benefits.


Firstly, they will prolong the agony of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and secondly, they will somewhat clean up the already littered with junk US air bases.

It remains only to wait for the implementation of US plans to train pilots and transfer aircraft to Ukraine. And here, perhaps, the main thing is that by that moment in 2023, when everything is ready, there remains the Ukraine that will want to fight with Russia further.

This, it seems to me, is a very important aspect.
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  1. +5
    26 July 2022 04: 48
    It is high time to use a machete instead of a scalpel in NWO.
    1. -1
      26 July 2022 08: 18
      1. Maybe it’s enough to lament, maybe it’s time to accept that the damned West is transferring weapons to the Ukrainians?
      2. It is clear that everything is going according to the old scheme. We are trying to fight without embittering the "fooled Russians", the West to Afghanistan or like the USSR to Vietnam, supplies weapons, there was a similar option in Korea.
      3. Full or partial official mobilization will be regarded as a defeat of the NWO policy.
      4. And yes, to all the "all-propagators" - freezing the conflict, as well as long-term positional hostilities - will not destroy Russia in any way.
      Whatever the outcome of the NWO, nothing will happen to Russia. Due to demographics, the average age of the population is over 40 years. And in the age category 40+ - men are many times less than women. Who will rebel (God forbid) aunts with grandmas chtoli?
      1. +2
        26 July 2022 09: 47
        Citizens of the Russian Federation with, as they say now, Central Asia will rebel.
        1. -2
          26 July 2022 11: 56
          why should they rebel?
      2. +3
        26 July 2022 12: 49
        Whatever the outcome of the NWO, nothing will happen to Russia.

        What does it mean that it will not happen if production is already bent and prices are rising? Therefore, the next stage after the Donbass operation should be the Kyiv one. With or without mobilization, it is necessary to decide on the regime before the end of the year, and not wait until "Europe freezes." She, imagine, can not freeze.
      3. +1
        26 July 2022 14: 44
        Revolutions and coups are committed by 8-10% of the total population, if not less. So that's enough.
      4. +7
        26 July 2022 16: 01
        Quote: Civil
        And yes, to all the "all-propelled" - freezing the conflict, as well as prolonged positional hostilities - will not destroy Russia in any way.


        "prolonged hostilities" and "freezing the conflict" are completely different options for solving the problem of Ukraine. Today's war in Ukraine is the result of our last "freeze" in 2014. And by the way, then we exhausted the option of freezing forever and therefore in today's war in Ukraine with the West either we win or capitulate to the West. And after this capitulation, Russia will never be.

        Everything that you voiced in the text is the exact content of the Western manual. And before the NWO, we heard the last Western manual for decades, "Why spend money on the army if Russia is not in danger?" and now we hear "Why do you need a victory in the NWO if you can freeze the conflict, because nothing threatens Russia?"

        Only a total military defeat of Ukraine and with it the West on this territory will suit Russia and its people.
        1. -1
          26 July 2022 21: 13
          We will either win Ukraine with the West or capitulate to the West. And after this surrender, Russia will never be

          And what kind of surrender are you talking about? I do not understand, the country is calmly conducting NWO. The economy is working. How can the results of the JEE affect the whole country? You are exaggerating the value of the former Ukraine. And even more so, its armed formations are not able to force us to capitulate. Stop hysterically betting everything like a loser gambler.
          1. -2
            27 July 2022 21: 26
            Quote: Civil
            You are exaggerating the value of the former Ukraine.


            even children understand that in Ukraine we are at war not with Ukraine, but with the united West, led by the United States.
            1. -1
              28 July 2022 07: 25
              Quote: lopvlad
              Quote: Civil
              You are exaggerating the value of the former Ukraine.


              even children understand that in Ukraine we are at war not with Ukraine, but with the united West, led by the United States.

              Did I miss something? Has there already been an exchange of nuclear missile strikes? Columns of lepards, abrams, arittte and other leclercs are fighting with the t-90? Fe-15, Fe-16 armadas collided in the air with Su-35, SU-27, SU-30? Did our submarines attack the US Third Fleet? Pacific Fleet worked in Japan and landed troops in Hokkaido?
            2. -1
              1 August 2022 06: 05
              So so solution..
              Fighting with someone one, coffin about something completely different
      5. -3
        26 July 2022 20: 25
        Well, following the same logic, and who will protect the power?
        40+ what? No, they won't.
        The support of the state in the Russian Federation is pensioners of all stripes and state employees, including security officials.
        Go out and tell them - sorry, they didn’t calculate their strength, so there will be no victory and we will also pay you much less money. And yes - sorry guys, something dofiga of combatants and victims - we won’t give you money either. But you hold on and good mood to you.
        "Navalny" is not necessarily a liberal and a Westerner, it can also be a national patriot with medals and speeches about a "stolen victory" and "all the scum against the wall."
        And his "bulk" will not wave posters, but trophy trunks.
        1. 0
          26 July 2022 21: 04
          Go out and tell them - sorry, they didn’t calculate their strength, so there will be no victory and we will also pay you much less money. And yes - sorry guys, something dofiga of combatants and victims - we won’t give you money either.

          Why suddenly less? How they paid and will pay. Nothing corrupts a person like a small but steady income.
          And those who are now at the forefront, except for mobikov, everyone is paid money.
          What are the claims?
          1. -5
            26 July 2022 22: 31
            Since there is no money. The military budget has tripled, the reserves are lost. We need to cut costs. They will pay the salary part by cutting bonuses and surcharges.
            1. 0
              27 July 2022 19: 06
              I don’t understand the point in the existence of the A-10 or Su-25 at all. With the modern saturation of land-based MANPADS, and even with automatic guns such as the Russian Pantsir or the German Cheetah, this will always be a one-way flight.
              I'm not even sure about the need for the Ka-52 or Mi-28NM. Modern bombers throw cast iron from a distance of 35-40 km. Those. without even entering the zone of work of army air defense. Why then such a risk?
              Yes, for any large ship there is a hefty torpedo, but I'm sure that the death of pilots is not included in the list of "accidental losses".
              1. 0
                28 July 2022 07: 29
                Quote: madrobot
                I don’t understand the point in the existence of the A-10 or Su-25 at all. With the modern saturation of land-based MANPADS, and even with automatic guns such as the Russian Pantsir or the German Cheetah, this will always be a one-way flight.
                I'm not even sure about the need for the Ka-52 or Mi-28NM. Modern bombers throw cast iron from a distance of 35-40 km. Those. without even entering the zone of work of army air defense. Why then such a risk?
                Yes, for any large ship there is a hefty torpedo, but I'm sure that the death of pilots is not included in the list of "accidental losses".

                I will add that the training of a modern pilot takes many years. And to train the UAV operator at accelerated courses, since the loss of equipment does not mean the death of the operator.
        2. Fat
          -1
          27 July 2022 09: 19
          first time or what? And 40+ and 20- and yes, Moscow is not all of Russia. And you mood appropriate. And "reformatting" the "consciousness", as it turns out, is a trifling matter, especially in the absence of foreign agents. Do not flatter yourself, they will not wave any trunks other than illegal "bulk".
          1. -4
            27 July 2022 11: 20
            "Reformatting consciousness" is just a way for propagandists to master the budget) People believe what they want to believe. In the power of the army, in the inevitable Victory, in the patriotism of the authorities. But they won't believe it forever. Either their faith will be confirmed, or they will find another faith for themselves.
            Now it's not obvious. Let's come back to this topic in a year.
            I hope by this time the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be defeated and there will be no need to return.
            1. Fat
              0
              27 July 2022 11: 25
              No. Not only. Ukraine has achieved notable success in 8 years. Swear on the bible that the Russian media 2 years is not enough. This topic may not arise in a year, given the intensity of propaganda and confrontation between the warring parties. smile
              While the development of events inspires me with the idea that it was not in vain that I paid taxes ...
              1. -2
                27 July 2022 11: 51
                Propaganda can inflate success, but first this success must be achieved. For Ukrainians, the very fact that the army and the state did not collapse from our strike is a success. 5 months of our trampling did more for dill propaganda than 8 years of lulling Arestovich to sleep.
                The Russian media will have enough for 1 month, in case of a decisive victory. And 100 years will not be enough in case of freezing, Minsk 3, Istanbul 1 ...
        3. -1
          1 August 2022 06: 07
          We are in Russia .. Here, if the authorities change, then it’s quiet at night between the towers of the Kremlin ..
          And the people will wake up in the morning, hear and say, well, okay, we need to get ready for work
          1. +1
            1 August 2022 11: 10
            This is what we hope for and what they are trying to drum into us under the sauce "the limit of the revolution has been exhausted."
            The meaning of my comment was that if in the age society of the Russian Federation there is not enough passionarity for a rebellion (which is true), then the reverse side is the lack of passionarity to resist this rebellion.
            Some bandits have taken over the administration? No, I have kids, a mortgage. Let the police decide. And the police themselves have children, a mortgage. Let the boss decide. And the authorities are at a loss, he is 7 dozen and most of all they are afraid of making the wrong decision.
            Therefore, he does not solve anything and goes on sick leave in the hope that everything will resolve itself)
            1. -2
              1 August 2022 11: 26
              You all wrote absolutely to the point .. by the way, this is an amazing phenomenon of today's Russia - "we just have to stand for a day and lie down at night" .. Don't give a damn about everything that does not concern you specifically and specifically at this moment - * they know better there, nothing from us depends*
      6. 0
        27 July 2022 20: 06
        freezing the conflict, as well as prolonged positional hostilities, will in no way destroy Russia.

        Russia has been fighting for the last 30 years (taking into account Afghanistan - 40) Those who fought - half the male population. Everyone is so accustomed to the war that they no longer consider it as an irritant. With the same success, the country will fight for another 30 years.
    2. +3
      26 July 2022 09: 02
      In Russian kung fu, the main thing is that the shaft does not break at the wrong time ..
      1. +4
        26 July 2022 14: 03
        Nah, spring
        1. 0
          19 October 2022 21: 29
          and it is from the Belarus tractor. This is exactly where the buzz from our union state will be.
    3. 0
      26 July 2022 10: 07
      Even a little more, a two-handed sword! good
    4. -1
      26 July 2022 22: 28
      If things go on like this, a two-handed sword might not be enough...
  2. -19
    26 July 2022 05: 02
    True, in case of non-Western outcome of NWO, The Ukrainian Air Force will still be armed with Russian-made aircraft.
    A bit of humor, okay, but "yes, you're right, but the opposite is also possible" (Vysotsky). The Ukrainian Air Force will be armed with Chinese-made aircraft, like Russia request (If it comes to a hot phase with NATO, including the US, we may lose today's park and end the war on the Chinese park. request .
    1. +1
      26 July 2022 06: 07
      It is necessary for the Syrians and Iranians to put normal systems, let Israel and the United States be a nightmare, and then you look and the amers and Jews will end up wanting to pester us with stupid questions, and at the same time we will hang ourselves.
    2. -3
      26 July 2022 16: 06
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      If it comes to a hot phase with NATO, including the US


      then after a nuclear war, no one in the world will need an airplane. And by the way, the West has already begun to understand this.
      1. 0
        26 July 2022 19: 16
        Quote: lopvlad
        then after a nuclear war, no one in the world will need an airplane. And by the way, the West has already begun to understand this.

        This is another question. It depends on who is going to end it on what. And it may turn out that whoever has LA will win. request
    3. 0
      27 July 2022 20: 12
      aircraft made in China

      Will not work. With all the success of Chinese industry, there are several skills that this nation does not have. Among them is metallurgy. The Chinese do not know how to issue the desired steel. They don't even get the rails right. And turbine blades ... They are not even able to make them in Germany and Japan. So, TVs, refrigerators, washing machines - yes. Airplanes - unfortunately (or unfortunately), no. Unless something happens that no one suspects yet
      1. 0
        5 August 2022 00: 25
        >Chinese issue the desired steel.

        The same thing in Kamchatka You will not find Russian metal products ~ 75% from China. And the quality has become very good, the only place where Russia still wins is seamless pipes and fittings, and even then, because of the prices, the Chinese one is already selling well. Yes, and in the world there are already 3 metal-roll manufacturers, Europe and the USA have introduced protective duties, so there would be 2 .And about what you mentioned - so the Chinese do not sit still, they lure specialists, I am sure that in 5 years they can arrange production.
        1. 0
          5 August 2022 05: 37
          in 5 years they can arrange the release
          They won't be able to. THOSE. release = something they have long established. The resource cannot be obtained. Therefore, gritting their teeth (albeit with a smile on their face) they are forced to buy from us.
          From personal. In 2008, Russian Railways entered into an agreement with China (it is difficult to name a company) for the supply of railcar steel castings. Transmashholding (where I had the honor to work at that time) was in a panic. The question was about the functioning of the profile plant. And then once - and all back. And what happened? Chinese quality happened. I do not exclude that they simply fell for a cheap Mr., and in the same China it was possible to find a worthy supplier. But the sediment, as they say, remained.
          Well, not exactly about China. Around the same time. The plant in Motovilikha stamped connecting rods for Penza diesel engines. Since ancient times. From give and take blanks. Steel was supplied by the plant in Elektrostal. And so, in Elektrostal, either there was some kind of hitch, or they didn’t agree on prices, but they bought from another manufacturer (it seems Czech, but I’m not very sure, maybe the supplier is Czech, and the manufacturer is very Soviet). Exactly the same steel. European marking, but the composition is identical. And the connecting rods went from Motovilikha with cracks. They answer the claim - our technical process corresponds, nothing has been changed, so the questions are not for us. They look at the steel, the chemical composition is percentage by percentage, the grain is the same. And the cranks are cracked. Well, how is it!? Brought electric steel. The problem is gone! And they couldn't figure out why. Here are the Chinese blades. Look, they are exactly the same. But with pearl buttons. And why is not clear. There is simply no 75 years of production history. Lots of trial and error. And, sometimes, completely random successes.
          From the same opera. He mastered the same Penza plant for the production of cylinder covers (heads, in human language) for a diesel engine on a Czech diesel locomotive. For parts. And what's the attack? When casting, mass marriage. There is a crack in the valve guide. As soon as they got out. What they haven't tried. And academicians from research institutes were invited, and folk craftsmen-casters tried. It doesn't work - that's all! As far as I remember, they did not solve the problem. A detail something, ugh! Not for spacecraft. The usual casting of the 60s of design, mass-produced in Czechoslovakia.
          This I mean that metallurgy is a dark process and not always subject to human understanding. If the Chinese are not given - it's fate.
          And about Kamchatka - pure logistics. It is much closer from China than from Lpetsk. Moreover, by sea
          1. 0
            5 August 2022 13: 36
            I do not exclude that they simply fell for a cheap Mr., and in the same China it was possible to find a worthy supplier.

            Here, the supplier is also very important. We were supplied by competition (then without import substitution) diesel generators 1,5 MW. At the stations, the people could not get enough of it - they don’t eat oil, the automation works clearly, plows up to the capital without problems, and this is 3 years (rings and valves every year, well, even liners for 2 years). And then the hand-in finds out that, under a license, another Chinese company has launched the production of diesel engines, but the power is 150 kilowatts less, but minus 18% of the price. Of course, cheaper diesel engines began to barter, and the authorities drew dachas, apartments and personal cars ... So heat exchangers flowed after 3 months, oil coolers flowed and captured air from the very beginning, turbochargers did not leave for a year, etc. .. .
            metallurgy is a dark process and not always subject to human understanding

            Basically, there is either little research, or some subtleties, sometimes even funny, as, for example, the composition and thickness of the casting mold. Look how many swords were broken with bullate steel, and the casket turned out to be very simple, nanotubes. Steel is carburized and a direct current is passed at a certain temperature. In the late 90s, this steel was industrially cast in Paton, then somewhere they even made small batches of springs for cars (I remember Behind the Wheel advertising). And no matter how they wrote here how the Americans tried to unravel the secret of the springs for the Degterev machine gun, the composition of the steel springs was studied, it doesn’t work out. But it turned out that the spring is woven from 9 wires, pulling hot into one, then it was impossible to determine.
            1. 0
              5 August 2022 15: 23
              Thank you. It is pleasant to communicate with an intelligent, cultural interlocutor.
              So I'm saying that the Chinese (yes, and not only them) are not given metallurgical subtleties. But it would be simple, the whole world would rivet engines for aircraft, and not three countries
  3. +14
    26 July 2022 06: 07
    Judging by the fact that the A-10 does not have a two-seat variant, the aircraft is quite easy to fly. Yes, and the American school, in general, is normal in this sense. In modern conditions, he has nothing much to do in the air. Get knocked down quickly. But he will bring trouble, without options.
    So delivery is more than likely. Another thing, how many pilots are left?
    1. +2
      26 July 2022 07: 44
      Quote: mmaxx
      Another thing, how many pilots are left?

      And no one bothers that A-10 attack plane, but they give loot for another
      "So, this year, funding for the training of Ukrainian pilots was included in the project -fighters"????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. +1
        26 July 2022 09: 21
        You never know what was written there. Now, I think there is a lack of pilots in principle. Although there were always enough people who wanted to fly.
        1. +3
          26 July 2022 09: 38
          Quote: mmaxx
          You never know what was written there. Now, I think there is a lack of pilots in principle. Although there were always enough people who wanted to fly.

          Well, actually, even in the Second World War, they tried not to retrain pilots for a different type of aircraft. It’s one thing to “carousel” at 5 meters and quite another to iron trenches at 000 meters ...
      2. +1
        26 July 2022 12: 29
        Well, actually, fighter squadrons are armed in the US Air Force A-10. They generally have 2 types of combat squadrons: fighter (all tactical aviation) and bomber.
        1. 0
          26 July 2022 12: 38
          Quote: Jack Sklo
          Well, actually, fighter squadrons are armed in the US Air Force A-10. They generally have 2 types of combat squadrons: fighter (all tactical aviation) and bomber.

          And did they encounter a lot of enemy fighters after Vietnam?
          You can call it whatever you like - attack is fundamentally different from the actions of fighters
      3. 0
        26 July 2022 19: 19
        Quote: your1970
        But it doesn’t bother anyone that the A-10 is an attack aircraft, but they give loot for something else

        And who canceled the creative approach to cutting? They stand on that. request
    2. +1
      26 July 2022 09: 03
      And not just pilots, but attack aircraft. After all, they have their own specificity.
      1. -1
        26 July 2022 19: 20
        Quote: paul3390
        And not just pilots, but attack aircraft. After all, they have their own specificity.

        Is the right eye squinted? feel
    3. +1
      26 July 2022 20: 05
      The Americans took the cadets of the graduates to their place, and they will be trained.
      But the fact that the Sumerians do not run out of aviation, like other weapons, is not particularly encouraging.
      And today our aircraft frolicked over the Donbass, so much so that I don’t remember such a thing before.
    4. 0
      27 July 2022 20: 14
      Get knocked down quickly. But he will cause trouble

      You, really, decide - either they will bring down, or they will deliver laughing
    5. 0
      28 July 2022 10: 34
      Well, actually there is.
  4. -13
    26 July 2022 06: 08
    Gave about. Serpentine, opened the passage. And grain will go in that direction, arms and ammunition back.
    1. 0
      26 July 2022 06: 36
      So the grain agreement provides for the inspection of all ships going to Ukrainian ports. And by the way, what is your passage here?
      1. Kim
        -8
        26 July 2022 07: 42
        well how :)
        "polymers", "the Kremlin is draining", that's all
        Trukhan (Ladik2005) designated such "hysterical squirrels"
        1. +1
          26 July 2022 13: 29
          They would also remember Mihan's hysteria.
          1. Kim
            0
            27 July 2022 03: 52
            if it's easy - who is this?
            1. 0
              27 July 2022 15: 06
              Old (in every sense)) local celebrity urya. Nonecha called Hansales, 98% of the posts and 95% of the words in the posts in which, you give it, we will win, urya, work brothers, go ahead ... A typical, out-of-charge grunt.
              1. Kim
                0
                22 August 2022 11: 55
                mmm ... well, it’s necessary to “count the wounds and count the comrades” after the battle
                and in front of her and during - "forward, Russians!" ...
      2. +1
        26 July 2022 07: 46
        Quote: demiurg
        And by the way, what is your passage here?

        It is known why ... "# FSE sold, everything was leaked !!!!"
      3. +1
        27 July 2022 02: 58
        From the text of the agreement
        The military should also not accompany ships with grain: warships, aircraft and drones will not be allowed to approach ships at a specified distance.

        By checking the ships
        Representatives of this country, Turkey and the UN will oversee the loading of grain in the ports of Ukraine. Mikhail Podolyak, adviser to the office of the President of Ukraine, confirmed that the deal does not imply the presence of Russian representatives in Ukrainian ports.

        And by the way, what is your passage here?

        For what purpose are you interested? Looking for enemies?
        1. +2
          27 July 2022 07: 23
          Well, a little bit of a man came up with it. He wants it to be so.
        2. -1
          27 July 2022 11: 24
          Why search, I found. You are a hypocrite.
          Why are you not quoting the text?
          Vessels involved in the transportation of agricultural products will be inspected at the exit and entrance to the Black Sea - this will be done by the established joint quadripartite coordination center. According to Shoigu, this is done so that weapons and ammunition are not carried on ships and to prevent provocations.


          And now Tarasik tell me why in this scenario the Serpent?
    2. -2
      26 July 2022 09: 25
      Yeah. Serpentine could stop and inspect ships. laughing
      Bulk carrier, in general, how to inspect?
      1. -1
        26 July 2022 12: 44
        Quote: mmaxx
        Yeah. Serpentine could stop and inspect ships. laughing
        Bulk carrier, in general, how to inspect?

        It’s not difficult enough - with deep metal detectors, for example. Any weaponry, even tanks, even howitzers, even Himars, is a mountain of metal. It’s not 10 kilos of heroin to look for ......
        This is offhand

        And yes, you forget the main thing - they will go loaded with grain OF Ukraine, and there they will go for loading grain - empty!!!!
    3. 0
      4 August 2022 10: 42
      Turkey does not allow weapons through the Bosphorus ..
  5. +3
    26 July 2022 06: 26
    A-10 can be supplied with armor-piercing shells with a uranium core.
    1. +3
      26 July 2022 06: 43
      A-10 can be supplied with armor-piercing shells with a uranium core.

      And what will it give? To reach the line of application of its GUA-8A, the attack aircraft will have to approach the target at a distance of 1200-3000m. And this is guaranteed destruction by air defense systems. So let there be at least uranium, at least plutonium cores - there will be little sense from this. Its only use case is also URs from a maximum distance and NARs from a pitch-up. That is, nothing outstanding compared to the Su-25
      1. +9
        26 July 2022 09: 23
        You can always find an undisguised air defense target. You can't attach a Tunguska to every platoon.
        Although in the course of such a war, one must already think about such an option.
        1. +3
          26 July 2022 09: 42
          Quote: mmaxx
          You can always find an undisguised air defense target. You can't attach a Tunguska to every platoon.
          Although in the course of such a war, one must already think about such an option.

          The speed is too great to look for just like that. This is not a PO-2 with its 120 downwind lol
          1. 0
            26 July 2022 14: 31
            I'm talking about the target that the A-10 will attack.
            1. 0
              26 July 2022 14: 35
              Quote: mmaxx
              I'm talking about the target that the A-10 will attack.

              And I'm talking about her...
              First you need to find it - the target. This is in the Second World War - here it is the front line, bomb along it.
              Now, in fact - single targets - 1 tank, 1 infantry fighting vehicle, 1 infantry squad ...
              Find them to start in the forest belt at a decent speed.
              And yes, MANPADS have not been canceled.
        2. 0
          26 July 2022 20: 41
          But what about the radar and fighters, they will sleep while this one with an ever-dirty belly will crap?
      2. +1
        27 July 2022 20: 22
        From this distance, he will not hit a hectare from a cannon. For firing at a single target 300 - 500 meters with a probability of hitting the first projectile about 10 percent. An airplane is not a stationary gun for you. The conditions of use are like from a tank on the go, if not worse. The most effective argument of the NAR attack aircraft. VPU is not the most lethal device. And then the whole plane for the gun
  6. +5
    26 July 2022 06: 31
    With 100% air supremacy of the Russian Aerospace Forces and with unsuppressed air defense, any aircraft delivered to / from will not live long and unhappily.
    One-time raids yes. It is even possible to take beautiful videos. But systemically they will not change anything.
  7. +4
    26 July 2022 06: 34
    The Su-25 of the Ukrainian Air Force was knocked out and the A-10 will be knocked out.
    1. +2
      26 July 2022 13: 08
      From the couch, any weapon is bullshit! Will you repeat this when the A-10 attacks you?! Any weapon, projectile and military equipment is the potential death of our military and civilians. Hat throwers in their swine cynicism do not even think about the meaning of what was said. am
      1. -1
        26 July 2022 13: 42
        You are nervous, but I did not always sit on the couch. Would be
        nervous would not live to see the sofa. hi
  8. +5
    26 July 2022 06: 34
    At one time, Israel expressed interest in these machines, but did not receive them. And country 404 (not found) in the list of priorities is much lower than Israel. Or is it higher now?
    1. Aag
      -1
      26 July 2022 07: 36
      Quote: Nagan
      At one time, Israel expressed interest in these machines, but did not receive them. And country 404 (not found) in the list of priorities is much lower than Israel. Or is it higher now?

      You yourself wrote: "In due time ..."
      hi
  9. +1
    26 July 2022 06: 35
    Warthogs will run out ... what's next in line?
    The flow of decommissioned weapons supplied to Ukraine is endless.
    1. -1
      26 July 2022 12: 52
      what's next in line?

      Douglas A-1 Skyrader wink
      In Vietnam, I could) And learning is easier. I think it’s a great option lol
      1. +2
        26 July 2022 14: 57
        Quote: spirit
        Douglas A-1 Skyrader wink
        In Vietnam, I could) And learning is easier. I think it’s a great option lol

        Taking into account the fact that the engine on the Skyrader is a piston engine, the heads of fuel and lubricants warehouses of the Ukrainian Air Force will be all limbs for this option. smile
  10. +4
    26 July 2022 06: 45
    "to Ukraine", "in Ukraine" is a tribute to Ukraine, which insists on such a pretext?
    1. +2
      26 July 2022 13: 35
      I agree. What kind of distortion of the Russian language? Just on! On kroynyak - out.
  11. +3
    26 July 2022 06: 59
    The US administration refused Poland, which was ready to provide its MiG-29s to Ukraine if the US supplied F-16s in return.

    So the Poles wanted something new, so they refused, and the decommissioned one is quite suitable for Ukraine. Disposal is very expensive there. Well, for the United States, decommissioning an aircraft along with a Ukrainian pilot will be a normal phenomenon.
    Although I really want these "birds" to not reach Ukraine.
  12. 0
    26 July 2022 07: 20
    For the first batch of aircraft, they can recruit from their pensioners those who could not adapt to civilian life and agree to take the risk.
    1. +1
      26 July 2022 07: 49
      Quote: spectr
      For the first batch of aircraft, they can recruit from their pensioners those who could not adapt to civilian life and agree to take the risk.

      Yeah .. and pensioners don’t know that they are shooting down in Ukraine ....
      1. -1
        26 July 2022 09: 27
        They know. Only there is a category that I call "adrenaline junkies". They are consciously willing to take a mortal risk. Of these, they can be recruited.
        1. 0
          26 July 2022 09: 45
          Quote: spectr
          They know. Only there is a category that I call "adrenaline junkies". They are consciously willing to take a mortal risk. Of these, they can be recruited.

          Only there is trouble-adrenaline when you fly and there is no air defense, and not when a rocket arrives at the barracks at night ...
  13. +1
    26 July 2022 07: 32
    "Warthog" in the sky of Ukraine: everything is possible
    Shaw to say ... "warthogs" have never and nowhere massively rained from the sky ... minke whales, they finally want to see this ???
  14. +2
    26 July 2022 08: 33
    Sergey_tactics:
    And what will it give?

    It will give radiation contamination, as in Yugoslavia and Iraq.
    1. 0
      26 July 2022 12: 04
      Quote: Pavel57
      Sergey_tactics:
      And what will it give?

      It will give radiation contamination, as in Yugoslavia and Iraq.

      That is, the heads of RAV warehouses and gunsmiths stuffing tapes - do you think they are gaining a decent dose of radiation ????
      fool do not tell stories about 30 mm.
      Even tank shells practically do not emit light
      1. 0
        26 July 2022 15: 32
        That is, the heads of RAV warehouses and gunsmiths stuffing tapes - do you think they are gaining a decent dose of radiation ????

        Warehouse managers and technicians do not come into contact with uranium in the form of an aerosol.
      2. -1
        26 July 2022 16: 55
        The uranium core shatters into small particles, which emit light. Moreover, the Americans dispose of nuclear waste in this way.
        1. -1
          26 July 2022 21: 17
          Quote: Pavel57
          The uranium core shatters into small particles, which emit light. Moreover, the Americans dispose of nuclear waste in this way.

          Quote: A vile skeptic
          That is, the heads of RAV warehouses and gunsmiths stuffing tapes - do you think they are gaining a decent dose of radiation ????

          Warehouse managers and technicians do not come into contact with uranium in the form of an aerosol.

          Well, yes ... most persistent tales....
          Especially delivers about "waste", "light particles" and "aerosol".
          Waste - which is not waste
          Small particles emit more light than the whole belay
          About aerosol - in general a song ...
          This is from the same opera as "I'm tired. I'm leaving" - it wasn't there, but everyone knows and remembers. Yeah ...
          Before you get hysterical, look at what he said on By myself business.
          1. -2
            27 July 2022 10: 20
            Small particles emit more light than the whole

            The radiation flux formula and the phenomenon of photonuclear reactions (manifestation of the photoelectric effect) will help you.
            About aerosol - in general a song ...

            Sing, don't be shy.
  15. +3
    26 July 2022 09: 06
    10 howitzers are much more dangerous than one attack aircraft, which, with a high probability, will recline on the very first sortie.
  16. +1
    26 July 2022 09: 49
    Whatever they write, but his gun is powerful and the range of ammunition is also, let's say, nothing good for those against whom all this is used.
    1. +3
      26 July 2022 10: 10
      So this apparatus was created as a "gun with wings". Dangerous, contagious...
    2. -2
      26 July 2022 22: 39
      Well, if only against the Bushmen in Africa ... And even then it’s not a fact that they didn’t have dozens of Stingers or our Arrows with Needles lying around there, along with blowpipes.
  17. 0
    26 July 2022 10: 08
    I wonder what will happen if a missile from the S400 hits this flying warehouse, it will probably detonate everything and smash it into small pieces.
    1. 0
      26 July 2022 10: 17
      It will be the same as with any other attack aircraft with full combat.
  18. +3
    26 July 2022 10: 14
    I think if the SVO drags on, then the native Donbass with the rest of Ukraine will become a training ground where, finally, fully and on a large scale, 2 schools of military equipment of the Cold War era will collide. Prior to this, in various theaters, there were local clashes using both Soviet and American equipment. But always, it was a clash of small groups with representatives of different generations. When your ally is operating with your new weapons, and his opponent is fighting against him, armed with older American tanks. Or vice versa. And here, there is a prospect that the full range of weapons that was created in the period of the 80s of the twentieth century (the last decade of the confrontation between the USSR and the USA) will finally collide in direct combat. those. will begin to oppose the one for whom they were created. As soon as the conflict drags on for at least another half a year, we will see confrontations between the Su-25 and A-10. We will see the battle of our MiGs and Sus, with their F. And on the ground, the T-72/80 will face the Abrams M1A2.

    And if this moment comes, nothing good should be expected.
    1. -5
      26 July 2022 12: 22
      Quote: Mustachioed Kok
      the ground will face the T-72/80 with the Abrams M1A2.

      Oh well...
      Are they Abrams? In sufficient quantities? To throw 100-200-500 into battle?
      1. -2
        26 July 2022 16: 13
        So it's not a matter of quantity. The very possibility of realizing the scenario is important here, when the T-72/80 on the one hand and the Abrams and Panther on the other face in battle. Yes, at least 5 pieces will be sent, they can meet and for the first time we will see a direct confrontation between equipment that was created to fight each other, but for 40 years has not come across in any way.
        1. 0
          26 July 2022 21: 22
          Quote: Mustachioed Kok
          Yes, at least 5 pieces will be sent, they can meet and for the first time we will see a direct confrontation of technology

          Well, there were 2 Mouses in the Panzerwaffe, and what? What would their collision with the T-34 show?
          That's right - NOTHING!!!
          Something can be analyzed only with statistics.
          Well, 5 Abrams collide, so what? Maybe the crews had desentery !!!! - and they could not fight properly ....
          Only statistics HUNDRED tank collisions - will give at least some material for evaluation.
  19. 0
    26 July 2022 11: 02
    Why this sheet? The warthog is extremely good at wetting popuases! For a country with an abundance of air defense and fighter aircraft, it is an excellent target .. It is also not clear who will fly on it. US retirees? Let's see how many suicide bombers there are, whether they are from the United States or 404 ..
    1. +1
      26 July 2022 18: 19
      Do not believe it, change the warthog to su-25 in your post and nothing will change. This conflict perfectly showed that the era of ground attack aviation has passed. The future belongs to drones.
  20. 0
    26 July 2022 11: 27
    30 mm GAU-8/A seven-barrel gun with 1350 rounds


    It was always surprising why it was necessary to install such a powerful artillery system, if at the time of the development of the aircraft, the guns as anti-tank weapons lost all washout due to the appearance of ATGMs.
    No, you can open a tank with such a gun, but the trouble is that for this you need to enter the MZA coverage area, not to mention the air defense system.
    And given the age of the aircraft, the use of guns is in question.
    1. -1
      26 July 2022 12: 31
      "if at the time of the development of the aircraft, guns as anti-tank weapons lost all washout due to the appearance of ATGMs."
      an enemy tank column in its rear, or even an infantry column, or will you also destroy the airfield with an air defense?
      "The trouble is that for this you need to enter the MZA coverage area, not to mention the air defense system."
      They don't have a 100% hit guarantee. one and a half thousand 30mm shells will do more than a dozen missiles, however, there is more risk for an aircraft
      1. +1
        26 July 2022 13: 16
        Quote: aglet
        an enemy tank column in its rear, or even an infantry column, or will you also destroy the airfield with an air defense?
        Yes. There, the gun should cool down for 8 minutes between bursts.
        1. 0
          26 July 2022 14: 38
          "Yes. There, the gun should cool down for 8 minutes between bursts"
          this is the exact data, what exactly is 8? after 300 shells, or after 3? like bae, she has forced cooling
          1. +1
            26 July 2022 18: 27
            Quote: aglet
            this is the exact data that exactly 8
            No, I lied:
            In practice, the duration of firing from the GAU-8 / A is limited to one or two second salvos, this is necessary to prevent overheating of the barrels, excessive consumption of projectiles, and also to extend the life of the barrels. The break for cooling the artillery system is about a minute.

            Proof: https://topwar.ru/100011-a-10-thunderbolt-ii-shturmovik-postroennyy-vokrug-aviacionnoy-pushki.html
    2. -2
      26 July 2022 13: 13
      this cannon can probably crush an entire column (50-100 vehicles) of vehicles and armored vehicles in one go. If you go at extremely low altitude.
      1. -2
        26 July 2022 14: 25
        The key word is, probably, he still needs to go to the column, and the column covers me with various types of air defense systems
        1. -1
          26 July 2022 14: 35
          "The key word is probably - he still needs to go to the column"
          but the anti-tank gun comes out on the column with a running start. there is such a word - intelligence. according to its results, air raids are carried out
        2. -4
          26 July 2022 14: 49
          "Air defense of various types"
          air defense of various types showed itself in the defense of Belgorod, Donetsk, Berdyansk and many other places
          1. -3
            26 July 2022 16: 00
            No need to compare hot and liquid
    3. +7
      26 July 2022 15: 14
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      It was always surprising why it was necessary to install such a powerful artillery system, if at the time of the development of the aircraft, the guns as anti-tank weapons lost all washout due to the appearance of ATGMs.

      So TTT on the A-10 was written in 1970. In those days, there were only TOWs from ATGMs.
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      No, you can open a tank with such a gun, but the trouble is that for this you need to enter the MZA coverage area, not to mention the air defense system.

      The fact is that the Yankees did not plan to throw naked attack aircraft on covered columns. The air defense system was supposed to be engaged in an air defense suppression group.
      As for the MZA, the protection (constructive + armor) of the "warthog" was designed to counter the KKP and machine guns up to a caliber of 23 mm. And at the beginning of the 70s, our military air defense did not have more large-caliber MZA.
      In addition, do not forget that in addition to tanks, TDs and MRDs have a cloud of no less important targets - infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, self-propelled guns and support vehicles. Yes, and for tanks in the upper projection, the protection is weaker than even in the side. So that for the 70s of the last century "warthog" seemed to the Yankees a normal weapon against red hordes rushing to the expanses of Europe through the Fulda Gap.
      1. 0
        26 July 2022 16: 00
        I agree that the terms of reference for the A-10 were somewhat outdated. Yes, and we were not the first to come up with a cut of budget money.
        As for the resistance of the A-10 to a caliber of 23 mm, in translation from American advertising into human language it sounds like this, more or less in an armored capsule the pilot and partly the engines.
        It is impossible to cover the entire aircraft with armor. And the Shilka's rate of fire is quite enough to saw through the structure.
        In addition, we should not forget that we have two standards of 23 mm shells. And which of them the Americans were guided by is another question.
        By the way, in those years there was a ZSU-57-2.
  21. -3
    26 July 2022 11: 36
    As the experience of the SVO showed, the gun on the attack aircraft is not relevant. Also bombs. They fight with NURSs and air-to-surface missiles. So the seven-barreled warthog will not be relevant at all. And this is his main weapon. You can shoot down this car from everything, but of course it can crap. Perhaps, however, he simply will not have time for the war.
    1. -1
      26 July 2022 14: 43
      "As the experience of the SVO has shown, the gun on the attack aircraft is not relevant"
      who did he show? attack aircraft, it seems they don’t fly much there. leaned out, fired a rocket, and into the hole.
    2. 0
      27 July 2022 09: 41
      Quote: Glagol1
      As the experience of the SVO showed, the gun on the attack aircraft is not relevant. Also bombs. They fight with NURSs and air-to-surface missiles.

      Judging by the recent video of the Ka-52, working helicopters are just URami. And, judging by the gaps, they work well - "What are you doing today" smile
      NAR launches are carried out from a nose-up - to whom God will send. The video clearly showed how the helicopter goes into a climb, immediately wakes up aunt rita and begins to warn the crew about overload and roll (when leaving the hill), and the NAR is being launched, and only the sky is in the field of view.
  22. -1
    26 July 2022 12: 27
    Or maybe we just buy them from the US? Well, for the price, let's say a pair of anti-aircraft missiles and 5 tons of kerosene to refuel a fighter. There will be something to put in the museum.
    1. -2
      26 July 2022 14: 43
      "There will be something to put in the museum."
      yeah, next to su25
      1. Two
        0
        26 July 2022 15: 14
        hi Scratch your left heel ... Low-flying, heavily armed, maneuverable! More experience than the Su-25... Do not rush to underestimate the enemy!
  23. -3
    26 July 2022 13: 03
    Quote: mmaxx
    Yeah. Serpentine could stop and inspect ships. laughing
    Bulk carrier, in general, how to inspect?

    Stop using the threat of using anti-ship missiles, for example. At least a general inspection by landing troops on board. If Serpentine does not make sense at all, then why was there a Ukrainian frontier post there, why did they fight for the island ?! Or are the guards just to seranut something in defense of the incompetent leadership of the NWO?
    1. 0
      26 July 2022 14: 27
      Stop talking about Serpentine, take the time and read all the material about Serpentine
    2. -3
      26 July 2022 14: 46
      "If Serpentine does not make sense at all, then why was there a Ukrainian frontier post there, why did they fight for the island ?!"
      there was a frontier post - to mark the border, but no one fought for him, xoxly surrendered him without a fight, ours showed a gesture
    3. -2
      26 July 2022 14: 51
      "Stop with the help of the threat of using anti-ship missiles, for example. At least a general inspection by landing troops on board"
      who prevents this from being done from a Black Sea Fleet ship that can sail in that direction?
  24. -1
    26 July 2022 13: 49
    With this approach, amers are not far from tactical nuclear weapons in Europe. And then in America
  25. 0
    26 July 2022 14: 21
    Well, what will appear? The attack aircraft is an easy target for air defense and fighters. As well as drying posbivayut or even faster.
  26. 0
    26 July 2022 14: 32
    I think we need to start supplying the Russian Federation, weapons, asymmetrically, to US opponents in the Middle East, for sure, the Russian Federation has something serious at the storage bases lol lol lol laughing
  27. Two
    0
    26 July 2022 15: 10
    hi All-Ukrainian program of universal recycling! But the device is serious! hit on the ground!
  28. 0
    26 July 2022 15: 46
    Quote: aglet
    "if at the time of the development of the aircraft, guns as anti-tank weapons lost all washout due to the appearance of ATGMs."
    an enemy tank column in its rear, or even an infantry column, or will you also destroy the airfield with an air defense?
    "The trouble is that for this you need to enter the MZA coverage area, not to mention the air defense system."
    They don't have a 100% hit guarantee. one and a half thousand 30mm shells will do more than a dozen missiles, however, there is more risk for an aircraft


    As I understand it, you are a great specialist in the fight against tanks. Then tell me how you will send attack aircraft behind enemy lines. The only options are that the enemy is stupid and does not cover the rear of the MZA, air defense systems and IA. I don’t even ask about the destruction of airfields from cannons.
    1. -2
      26 July 2022 18: 52
      "Then tell me how you will send attack aircraft behind enemy lines."
      Yes, it’s easy, the range allows, 50-100 km, why not the rear?
      "Only options that the enemy is stupid and does not cover the rear of the MZA, air defense systems and IA"
      and for this there are other planes, such as su34, a little faster
      "I don't even ask about the destruction of airfields from cannons."
      Why not? planes on the ground, fuel depots, weapons, all this burns and explodes beautifully. 1300 shells from one plane is power, but if there are two of them, or 10?
      1. 0
        26 July 2022 23: 49
        Yes, it’s easy, the range allows, 50-100 km, why not the rear?

        You can send something, only air defense and IA will take them out much earlier.
        and for this there are other planes, such as su34, a little faster

        Do you want to cover the A-10 Su-34? However. lol
        Why not? planes on the ground, fuel depots, weapons, all this burns and explodes beautifully. 1300 shells from one plane is power, but if there are two of them, or 10?

        Have you ever seen a military airfield? I have to disappoint you, the equipment is dispersed there, hidden in most cases. Warehouses for fuel and lubricants and weapons are located elsewhere. And the fact that such objects are covered by air defense, have you heard?
        And at your leisure, inquire at what distance from the front line airfields of front-line aviation are located.
        1. -2
          27 July 2022 08: 04
          "The fuel and lubricant depots and weapons are located elsewhere. Have you heard that such facilities are covered by air defense?"
          What's stopping you from going somewhere else? and for air defense there is another technique, as you probably know. and besides airfields, the attack aircraft has something to do, in the near rear, at least the same mza, or bridges, or infantry
          1. 0
            27 July 2022 08: 49
            Excuse me, but you have some teenage ideas about the work of SA. Its destiny is the front line, and the near rear is a headache for the IBA and front-line bombers.
            In addition, you completely lack an idea about the organization of air defense work. MZA they are not on their own, but only one of the elements of covering the near zone.
            1. -2
              27 July 2022 09: 37
              "I'm sorry, but you have some teenage ideas about the work of SHA. Its destiny is the cutting edge,"
              Well, yes, there are two opinions, mine and the wrong one. attack aircraft only hover over the trenches, in your opinion? and where to get those trenches now? everything within reach is their goal. their difference from the front-line bomber is the height from which they work, and a shorter range. maybe you are aware that during the Patriotic War IL-2 performed purely bombing functions - they bombed both warehouses and bridges, and not just trenches
              1. -1
                27 July 2022 16: 05
                If one of the two opinions is supported by VUS 061800, and the second is simply amateur, then which one is correct? Especially if the owner of an amateur opinion represents the cutting edge exclusively with trenches. lol
                1. -3
                  27 July 2022 18: 24
                  "The owner of an amateur opinion represents the cutting edge exclusively by the trenches."
                  Why not? there are trenches in Ukraine now, only a few
                  1. 0
                    27 July 2022 18: 57
                    Yes, comment on some of your posts, only spoil it. lol
                2. -2
                  27 July 2022 18: 27
                  "If one of the two opinions is supported by VUS 061800"
                  Am I supposed to do "ku" when I see this set of numbers? laughing
                  1. 0
                    27 July 2022 19: 30
                    If for you VUS is just a set of numbers, then what are you doing here?
            2. -2
              27 July 2022 09: 43
              "MZA they are not on their own, but only one of the elements of covering the near zone."
              Do not you say! Because people know! MZA covers trenches, columns and objects in the near rear, there are other devices, well, you know about them, which cover the rear, which are no longer accessible to attack aircraft in range. and for attack aircraft, it’s not mza the main enemy, and not a beech or torus, but a MANPADS, which is under every bush
              1. 0
                27 July 2022 16: 06
                You set out to enlighten me about the organization of air defense? lol
                1. -5
                  27 July 2022 18: 22
                  "You set out to enlighten me about the organization of air defense?"
                  and what, have you been drinking an awl under your wing for 25 years? or air marshal?
                  1. 0
                    27 July 2022 19: 31
                    What an "awl", we had pure alcohol. wink
  29. -2
    26 July 2022 16: 51
    This is the first swallow. If all goes well, F-16s will also be handed over. You have to press right away.
  30. -1
    26 July 2022 17: 18
    That's wonderful! There will be an opportunity to check in the SU-57 case.
    1. -6
      26 July 2022 18: 53
      "There will be an opportunity to check in the SU-57 case"
      what, all two?
      1. -2
        26 July 2022 18: 59
        Quote: aglet
        what, all two?

        What, is there more?
        1. 0
          26 July 2022 22: 34
          By the end of last year, 17 units were delivered to the troops. Su-57
          1. -2
            27 July 2022 00: 02
            Quote: Pipa of Surinam
            By the end of last year, 17 units were delivered to the troops. Su-57

            Wonderful! All military for military trials in Ukraine. And it's not a joke. Think Germany in Spain. And the USSR in Spain also learned good lessons. War machines are tested by war. The results of military tests will show what needs to be changed. Or it turns out that it no longer makes sense to spend resources on this machine, but to direct them to the development of a new machine.
          2. -2
            27 July 2022 09: 51
            "17 units of Su-57 were delivered"
            and how many of them are constantly fighting in Ukraine? Or do stingers also prevent you from flying?
  31. 0
    26 July 2022 19: 08
    After the victory, the Arabs and Asians will push each other in line for the supply of our air defense systems, while the striped patriot will be covered with an iron kumpol, like a copper basin!
  32. 0
    26 July 2022 21: 58
    It is good for everyone, but the result of the Ukrainian Su25 in 2014 and now has shown everything in the sky of Ukraine. From the A10, as well as from the Apaches, there will be no sense there. We need a dense roof from NATO aviation in the sky and strikes against our air defense and airfields .... But, in response, the IRBM and the Kyrgyz Republic will fly at their airfields
  33. -1
    26 July 2022 22: 32
    Attack aviation is somewhat outdated by modern standards, and only the United States and Russia with the former republics of the USSR, and now sovereign monkeys and some "Varsovians", where the Soviet "Rooks" live out their term, have it. They don’t make new ones here either, they are completely trying to replace them with the S-34.
    1. -2
      27 July 2022 09: 54
      "Attack aviation is somewhat outdated by modern standards"
      due to the wide development of MANPADS, all low-altitude aviation is somewhat outdated, including helicopters
      1. 0
        27 July 2022 13: 11
        And yet, Helicopters and Su25s work quite well in Ukraine. Questions about tactics and control for such devices.
  34. -1
    26 July 2022 23: 05
    Roman, why in Ukraine?!
  35. 0
    27 July 2022 15: 52
    And he is being disposed of, He is not the first, he is not the last product of the Western military-industrial complex.
  36. -1
    27 July 2022 18: 13
    Soon the first F35s will be written off .....
  37. -1
    28 July 2022 18: 11
    A10, F16 are all targets in the war with Russia ..
  38. 0
    31 July 2022 20: 24
    A-10 is definitely better than the Su-25 in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The A-10C variant surpasses the latest modifications of the Sukhoi Design Bureau attack aircraft, being (IMHO) the best in the world in terms of the combination of characteristics, systems and weapons. Although it is unlikely that "C" will be supplied.
    From dangerous weapons - 305mm Maverick missiles with homing TGSN (fired - forgot), with a range of 10-20 km, 178mm Hellfire / Brimstone ATGMs, 70mm APKWS laser-guided missiles, guided bombs.
    The aircraft is very easy to pilot, and the Su-25 pilot can be retrained fairly quickly.
    It has excellent maneuverability and a good flight range (more than the Su-25).
    These "gifts" will definitely cause problems and lead to new losses, including armored vehicles.
  39. 0
    1 August 2022 04: 26
    True, in the event of a non-Western outcome of the NMD, the Ukrainian Air Force will still be armed with Russian-made aircraft.

    In this case, there will be no Ukraine at all, but simply the western regions of the Russian Federation.
  40. 0
    11 September 2022 19: 50
    I think that in the USA there are 23 pilots for the A-10
    And without any whining from the omniscient Russian patriots
    And the leadership of the country (we will not name its name) will agree
    To have airfields for A-10 in Ukraine
    That is, NATO airfields
    Protected by NATO divisions
    That has been the purpose of this government ... since 1999 or even since the 199s
    If only the union was not recreated
  41. 0
    19 September 2022 12: 45
    There will be a new copy at the Air Force Museum in Monino!?!

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