Forecasts for 2019 and real achievements of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine based on the results of the special operation

“The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia. To do this, you only need to find and nurture traitors among the elite and, with their help, change the self-consciousness of one part of the great people to such an extent that they will hate everything Russian, hate their own family, without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time.”

It was with this quote from the German "Iron Chancellor" Otto von Bismarck that the article published on the Military Review in February 2019 ended. Military-industrial complex of Ukraine: state and prospects. Who then could have imagined that events would flutter so rapidly, and that in February 2022 two fraternal peoples, in fact, a single people, would kill each other on the battlefields. It is characteristic that a significant number of comments left on that article can be attributed with complete certainty to “hawking”. Well, they already threw it, so they threw it ...

Let's consider the theses outlined in the above article in the context of the Russian special operation on the territory of Ukraine and see how relevant they turned out to be at the moment.

The course for a tough confrontation with Russia

The strengthening of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex (MIC), as a result of preparations for a military conflict with the Russian Federation, indicated in an article dated February 2019, can be considered a fait accompli. The main evidence of this is still flying aircraft and helicopters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which, by all accounts, should no longer be left. This suggests that the aircraft repair plants were able to restore a significant number of aircraft and helicopters that were previously considered decommissioned, as well as to restore aircraft damaged as a result of Russian high-precision strikes. weapons long range at the very beginning of the conflict.

It also cannot be said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have few combat-ready tanks and artillery. Of course, now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are gradually experiencing a shortage of armored vehicles and artillery, which Ukraine's sponsors are trying to compensate for with the help of Western equipment, but this shortage is not a consequence of the poor performance of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, but the result of the work of the RF Armed Forces.

There is no doubt that if the denazification of Ukraine is not brought to its logical end, the financial and technological injections of Western countries will turn the Ukrainian military-industrial complex into a monster, the results of which will pose a significant threat to the national security of the Russian Federation.

Now let's see which samples of modern and modernized weapons the Ukrainian military-industrial complex could or could not bring to real use in the Armed Forces of Ukraine by the beginning or middle of 2022.

OTRK "Thunder"

The operational-tactical missile system (OTRK) "Thunder", developed by the Yuzhnoye design bureau, has apparently never entered service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine - so far the best that Ukraine has, these are the Soviet OTRK "Tochka-U", which they still will not run out of.

Rocket model and launcher OTRK "Grom"

Visually, both the rocket and the launcher for it, and indeed the whole concept, even the alleged performance characteristics (TTX) are extremely similar to the Russian Iskander OTRK. Most likely, the Soviet “roots” are somehow traced in the Grom complex - the development of the Iskander OTRK was started back in the USSR, it is possible that Ukrainian specialists could have access to developments even at that time.

Despite the fact that the Thunder OTRK did not have time to start the Russian special operation, there is no doubt that in a few more years the Ukrainian military-industrial complex could bring it to mind, and then the Armed Forces of Ukraine would be able to fire at targets deep in the territory of the Russian Federation - the estimated firing range OTRK "Thunder" was supposed to be up to 500 kilometers, and according to some sources, up to 1000 kilometers. There is no doubt that the Ukrainian Armed Forces would have tried to strike at the Crimean bridge in any case.

When firing from the Kharkov region, a significant part of the European territory of the Russian Federation turned out to be within the reach of the Grom OTRK

With all the desire to attribute the Thunder OTRK to the failures of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, it does not work - they simply did not have enough time.

RCC "Neptune"

Anti-ship missile (ASM) "Neptune", developed by KB "Luch", an analogue of the Russian anti-ship missile X-35, has apparently entered service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Officially, the first prototypes of the RK-360MTs Neptune complex were handed over to the naval forces of Ukraine on March 15, 2021, and already in August of the same year, at the parade in honor of the 30th anniversary of Ukraine's independence, serial samples of the Neptune complex were demonstrated.

There is no confirmed information that any Russian ships were damaged or sunk by these anti-ship missiles, but To all appearances, our armed forces had to take into account the factor of the possible presence of the Neptune anti-ship missiles in the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the very beginning of the special operation.

Launcher and layout of anti-ship missiles "Neptune"

T-84 Tank

After the collapse of the USSR, the tank industry of Ukraine was one of the most powerful segments of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. Then the question arises - why are the Armed Forces of Ukraine not saturated with T-84 tanks?

Firstly, the Ukrainian tank industry has never been self-sufficient - many components came from other regions of the USSR, and the problems after the collapse of the USSR contributed, so the development and mass production of new T-84 tanks for Ukraine went "with a creak". The level of the Russian military-industrial complex, of course, is an order of magnitude higher, but the tasks before it are much more ambitious, while the development and mass production of combat vehicles on the Armata platform is no easier for us than for Ukraine its T-84.

Secondly, the question arises on the criterion of "efficiency-cost". Which is better, one T-14 or two T-90M Proryv? Which is better, one T-14 or 5-10 deeply modernized T-72/T-80s? Of course, the modernization process cannot be continued indefinitely, but it can be assumed that the presence of several hundred "Armata" would not have affected the course of the special operation in any way - it would have been even worse. In any case, some of the newest vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could have been destroyed, which would have caused significant image damage to Russia. Similarly, the Armed Forces of Ukraine would not have received any significant advantages from several hundred T-84s - it would be enough to modernize and maintain the existing thousands of tanks in combat readiness, which, apparently, was done.

T-84 in various versions

As expected, in the Ukrainian conflict, tanks are primarily used as a means of supporting infantry, destroying fortifications and firing points, and not at all for hunting their own kind. And these tasks are perfectly solved even by relatively outdated tanks. In this case, the destruction of enemy tanks is most often carried out by other anti-tank weapons.

But why the military-industrial complex of Ukraine did not establish a large-scale production of the widely advertised active protection systems (KAZ) "Barrier" and dynamic protection (DZ) "Knife", this is a big question, because modern DZ and KAZ can radically increase the security of armored combat vehicles. Well, perhaps the real characteristics of the Ukrainian DZ and KAZ turned out to be not as good as the advertising ones. In general, there are few countries in the world that are able to create such products and bring them to mass production.

ATGM "Stugna-P"

But as for anti-tank weapons, the Ukrainian military-industrial complex is doing very well with this. In particular, the aforementioned Luch Design Bureau has developed and put into serial production the Stugna-P anti-tank missile system (ATGM) with a firing range of up to 5000 meters. A distinctive feature of the Ukrainian ATGM is the presence of remote control over a television channel, which allows the calculation of the ATGM to attack from closed positions.

ATGM "Stugna-P"

According to open data, hundreds of Stugna-P ATGM launchers and thousands of missiles for them were fired - this is an undoubted success of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. It can be assumed that this complex drank a lot of blood from the RF Armed Forces, it is possible that more than the advertised American Javelins.

MLRS "Alder"

The Alder multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) is perhaps the most dangerous product for the RF Armed Forces, produced by the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. In terms of its characteristics, the Alder MLRS is not inferior, but most likely surpasses the supplied American HIMARS MLRS (of course, if you do not take into account the possibility of firing HIMARS operational-tactical missiles with a range of up to 300 kilometers).

The firing range of the Alder MLRS reaches 70 kilometers with a warhead weighing 250 kilograms and 120 kilometers with a warhead weighing 170 kilograms. The hitting accuracy of about 7 meters is ensured by the operation of GPS / GLONASS satellite positioning systems and impulse correction engines.

The number of Alder MLRS missiles produced is unknown, but during the conflict they are periodically used by the Ukrainian side. In particular, the latest information on the use of the Alder MLRS appeared on 21.07.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX (at the time of writing).

MLRS "Alder"

MLRS "Alder" is an effective and extremely dangerous weapon system. It can be considered a great success for the RF Armed Forces that it was not produced in sufficient quantities. There can be no doubt that if the Russian special operation had not begun, and in a few years the Ukrainian military-industrial complex would be able to provide a relatively large-scale production of this complex and missiles for it.

Moreover, on the basis of missiles for the Vilkha MLRS, the creation of anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAMs) was considered - since the gas-dynamic control belt allows you to get the highest maneuverability, and Ukraine could purchase an active radar homing head (ARLGSN) in Western countries, for example, from the United States or Israel.

High-precision projectile "Kvitnik"

The 152 mm Kvitnik high-precision artillery projectile with a semi-active laser guidance system, developed by NPK Progress and TsKB Tochnost, is an analogue of the Russian Krasnopol high-precision projectile. Since 2017, it has been manufactured without Russian components. How many of them have been produced since 2012 (the year they were put into service) is unknown. In combination with UAVs and counter-battery stations, it can be extremely dangerous.

High-precision artillery projectile "Kvitnik" ("Kvitnik-E")

Aviation

By the beginning of the special operation, the Ukrainian military-industrial complex could not give birth to anything interesting, but there is nothing inexplicable in this, after all, aviation This is the toughest industry. Nevertheless, as mentioned above, the Ukrainian military-industrial complex repairs the existing aircraft and helicopters extremely successfully, even with the supply of spare parts by Western countries.

Information about the "rotted on the ground", "plundered and sold" aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, unfortunately, was not confirmed - The Russian Armed Forces still cannot achieve air supremacy over the territory of Ukraine, however, this is more a merit of the Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM), and not aviation, but Ukrainian industry was able to maintain these Soviet-made air defense systems in proper condition, right?

The Ukrainian military-industrial complex has an important advantage - the availability of competencies in the development and serial production of aircraft engines. The Motor Sich company is the pearl of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. So the issue of creating our own aircraft, helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) could well be resolved in the foreseeable future, of course, in cooperation with Western countries. The same Turkey would help Ukraine to establish the production of UAVs in exchange for the production of engines for them.

The Ukrainian military-industrial complex has already mastered the SKD assembly of the Bayraktar UAV, over time this experience could be used to create their own UAVs

Ukrainian reconnaissance UAV Spectator-M1

Fleet

Creation fleet is a long and complicated story, nothing revolutionary from the Ukrainian military-industrial complex was to be expected here. The pinnacle of Ukrainian post-perestroika shipbuilding was the primitive river armored boats of project 58150 Gyurza.

Armored boat "Gyurza"

However, even here the military-industrial complex of Ukraine has a trump card up its sleeve in the form of the state enterprise "Scientific and production complex of gas turbine construction" Zorya "-" Mashproekt ". This enterprise develops and produces powerful ship gas turbines, which are so lacking in Russian surface ships.

The engine is the backbone of both a ship and an aircraft. The presence of such enterprises as Motor Sich and Zorya - Mashproekt allows (allowed?) the Ukrainian military-industrial complex to be optimistic about the prospects for creating combat aircraft, helicopters, UAVs and surface ships, of course, in cooperation with Western (and / or Eastern) partners.

Conclusions

There are many other achievements and failures of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex left out of the brackets, which are difficult to consider within the framework of one article, and such a goal was not set - it is more important to compare its expected achievements in 2019 with the real ones revealed during the Russian special operation.

Underestimating the capabilities of the enemy never led to anything good. Unfortunately, this is often forgotten, as a result of which, at the beginning, there is a “hatter-bite”, inflated by “cheers-patriots”, and then a bitter experience is acquired, paid for with blood.

Modern wars are always a battle of the military-industrial complex, and the further, the more important will be the technological and production capabilities of the military-industrial complexes of the warring parties. It can be assumed that only the beginning of the Russian special operation did not allow the Ukrainian military-industrial complex to "unwind" to the fullest - in five years everything would have become much worse.

After the completion of the Russian special operation, Ukraine, that part of it that will not be annexed to Russia, Poland or Romania, should become completely different - peaceful, pastoral. There is no need for any heavy industry, nuclear power plants and other things - a little bit of minority rights, a transgender party, the “Lives of Ukrainian Nationalists Matter” movement and all in the same vein. And the Ukrainian military-industrial complex in full force must return home - to Russia, because, apparently, not only Ukraine will have to “denazify”.

In conclusion, I would like to recall one more statement by Otto von Bismarck, cited in the above-mentioned February 2019 article:

“The Russians, even if they are dissected by international treatises, will just as quickly reunite with each other, like particles of a cut piece of mercury. This is the indestructible state of the Russian nation, strong in its climate, its spaces and its limited needs.”

Comments

[Sergey Kuzmin]

The Alder multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) is perhaps the most dangerous product for the RF Armed Forces, produced by the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. In terms of its characteristics, the Alder MLRS is not inferior, but most likely surpasses the supplied American HIMARS MLRS (of course, if you do not take into account the possibility of firing HIMARS operational-tactical missiles with a range of up to 300 kilometers).

The author is right - to underestimate the enemy means to increase the number of your own 200ths

[Civil]

“The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it ...

Sometimes I thought that it was undermining "Perestroika, privatization, optimization of medicine, pension reforms, monetization, price increases, etc."
And now I completely agree with Bismarok

[YOUR]

Before the start of the NWO here, incl. fingers bent bent what we are uuuuuh, and what a fairy they are .... 154- day SVO, no end in sight. They snarl and snarl strongly. It turns out that their armor is not bad, the DPR and LPR are grabbing Ukrainian equipment with great pleasure, incl. and they restore the beaten one, their equipment is the same as ours, especially the Chechens, almost without exception, change into their uniform and shoes. Those. the underestimation of the enemy was simply wild

[N3onMiami]

Exactly.
And how they breathed. That we will tear apart Ukraine, Poland, and all of NATO. We'll take Kyiv in a week.
As a result, for 5 months we have been suffering with only Ukraine, we are losing people, equipment, reputation and money, so we also say that it is not only Ukraine that needs to be denazified.
Where is the analogue? Where is the army that was shown on the Star? Where is the network-centric warfare, etc. etc.?
Hooray-patriot is a pest.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Before the start of the NWO here, incl. fingers bent bent what we are uuuuuh, and what they are fe .... 154- day NWO, no end in sight.

Before the start of the operation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine received thousands of MANPADS and ATGMs, and then more tanks, howitzers, aircraft and ammunition for all this, and thousands of mercenaries from all over the world.

And our authorities made a bunch of mistakes at the beginning of the operation, firstly, they did not hide the beginning of the operation, which made it possible for the enemy to prepare, and for the West to rearm Ukraine, and secondly, the humane start of the operation led to the fact that not only MTRs began to rush at our columns, The Armed Forces of Ukraine, the defense, but even civilians with Molotov cocktails, that is, the stunning effect of the start of the operation was quickly leveled by the fact that they realized that Russia was fighting with their hands tied and perceived this as cowardice and unwillingness of our army to fight.

And all this in combination led to the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine believed in themselves and began to actively resist, the humanity shown at the beginning of the operation turned out to be big losses for us, and for Ukraine as well.

Well, do not forget that about 100 contract soldiers are fighting there, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine have mobilized and are already drafting women into the army.

[YOUR]

What, what and learned to explain. Yes, just in case, our group has more than 200 thousand people.

[January]

A very balanced article. In contrast to the collective hat-throwing, which has become a mass disease in VO.
The enemy is neither stupid nor weak. He cannot be underestimated.
In order to defeat him, he must be respected. And since we got involved in what is happening, we need to approach this very carefully and soberly.

[Mint Gingerbread]

Unfortunately, yes, the VO audience, in the mass, has turned into thoughtless jingoistic patriots, without an objective assessment and apart from chants, they can’t think anymore, considering everything from completely different angles.
Phantom is an interesting development.

[Sergei_tactics]

Respect the scum of Bandera yourself, and do not call on others. The capabilities of the enemy must be taken into account and taken into account when planning their actions. And you can only respect a worthy opponent. For example, an opponent in a sports arena. And the scum that hammers in the cities and purposefully kills children, you somehow yourself, respect alone

[January]

About people like you, Mint Gingerbread wrote above.
You are all in white, they are in brown... Don't get dirty.
I don't call. I express my opinion, and the vast majority of readers support me, so it’s up to you to “despise alone”
Try to put aside the cliches and emotions and look at the situation from a different perspective. If of course you can

[Sergei_tactics]

No need to disguise yourself as pathos verbiage. You can even break into a fascist cross here, but you can’t prove to me that the Ukronazis must be respected. You are howling about respect here while you are a couple of thousand kilometers away. And when such a sushnik puts artillery in your house and your wife and your child turn into bloody lumps, I'll see how you crow.
During the Second World War they said: "the enemy is dangerous, the enemy is strong, but we have beaten and will beat the fascist reptile." And now slippery types like you have appeared, who began to sing in our ears "yes, they are not our enemies, they must also be respected ...". Ugh .... an abomination

[January]

Quote: Sergey_tactics

You are howling about prosperity here while you are a couple of thousand kilometers away.

As I understand it, you are answering me from a burning tank, from a smartphone of a killed comrade? I do not tear, I do not howl and I do not crow. And your attempts to insult a person you do not know because he has his own opinion is a violation of the psyche. As a doctor, I recommend getting a medical examination.
In your words, "crow and howl" as much as you like. There are more than enough empty holes and sofa warriors in VO. And your comments only look like attempts to be ahead of this army on a white horse.

[Usher]

Quote: ian

Quote: Sergey_tactics

You are howling about prosperity here while you are a couple of thousand kilometers away.

As I understand it, you are answering me from a burning tank, from a smartphone of a killed comrade? I do not tear, I do not howl and I do not crow. And your attempts to insult a person you do not know because he has his own opinion is a violation of the psyche. As a doctor, I recommend getting a medical examination.
In your words, "crow and howl" as much as you like. There are more than enough empty holes and sofa warriors in VO. And your comments only look like attempts to be ahead of this army on a white horse.

Some empty words. A lot of wrapping, but zero meaning.

[January]

Thank you for your opinion. It was very important for us. (No)

[Vasilich2217]

It is, of course, it is real. What is relative is relative. It has never been so that something happened, but if something happens, here you are and please

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: ian

A very balanced article. In contrast to the collective hat-throwing, which has become a mass disease in VO.
The enemy is neither stupid nor weak. He cannot be underestimated.

You can't underestimate!
But overestimating is bad.

Xoxlov had good plans and developments!
There were ...
Now their economy and industry are in ruins.
Naftogaz announced a default. The richest company in the country...
This means one thing - the default of the state is not far off. The hryvnia will turn to dust. Salaries will be paid by barter.
There are no factories. Prices are rising. The utilities are unaffordable.
What are the developments and production of military equipment?
So they are eager to steal at least one litak from us ...
I remember that Semyon Semyonovich Gorbunkov was from Odessa...
Inspired by ...


- Where does the money come from, Senya?
- The SBU asked to hijack the plane...

[January]

Funny. But for now, these are just your dreams. Like Ukrainian as "we'll get drunk", when "finally everything is ra-shka ...."

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: ian

Funny. But for now, these are just your dreams. Like Ukrainian as "we'll get drunk", when "finally everything is ra-shka ...."

Do you think this is my pipe dream?
404 is stronger than ever?
Are the irresistible forces of the xoxlyatsky counteroffensive against Kherson?
Whose dreams are these? Not yours?

[January]

Quote: Paul Siebert

Are the irresistible forces of the xoxlyatsky counteroffensive against Kherson?
Whose dreams are these? Not yours?

That is, they composed it themselves, and appropriated it to me? Also funny.
You pass off your own imagination as my dreams. Considering that you are also broadcasting from under the name of the deceased Hero of the USSR, this is a pathology.

[Paul Siebert]

Wonderful, Mikhalych!
Is it normal to equate my dreams with xoxlyatsky ones?
Not a pathology?
And right off the bat...
Typical xoxlyatskaya method ....

[January]

Quote: Paul Siebert

Is it normal to equate my dreams with xoxlyatsky ones?

I don't equate. I point to an identical thinking algorithm. Based on one fact in the present and adding a handful of forecasts in the future, draw apocalyptic pictures of the writhing of the enemy as a fait accompli ....
Sorry if you're offended.

[Paul Siebert]

It's all right, friend!
I got excited too!

[Igor Borisov_2]

If the military-industrial complex of Ukraine unpleasantly surprised us, it turns out that our intelligence has not finalized ...

[Rome]

Who said he was surprised? The person simply compared the plans of Ukraine and their implementation, the conclusion is: in general, they were still doing business there and we stopped this business in time
The Russian Federation has developed a tactic that the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot oppose, at least for now slowly but inevitably we are moving forward, so everything is under control

[Glagol1]

The Air Force and the Navy are the 404th too tough, but the land and missile systems are quite. A couple more years and they would have attacked, at least the Donbass, and the war would have been completely different. And even now it is difficult, taking into account Western supplies.

[bayard]

Quote: Glagol1

A couple more years and they would have attacked, at least the Donbass, and the war would have been completely different.

They would have attacked the Donbas no later than the beginning of March this year, and these plans became known last spring. When it became clear that these plans would nevertheless be implemented and the groups had already been assembled in the Donbass and were preparing to launch, a preemptive strike was launched.
But the fact that the forces for this strike turned out to be insufficient to develop the initial success is the fault of not even the military, but the political leadership. And intelligence, which was outplayed by the intelligence of the Anglo-Saxons.
If, however, the rate continues to be placed on a sluggish conflict with limited forces and means, very unpleasant surprises will befall us more than once. They are already happening and conclusions need to be drawn immediately.

[Kim]

do you still have NWO plans - initial and not only?
otherwise, I can’t explain your words “the forces for this strike were insufficient to develop the initial success - it’s not even the fault of the military, but the political leadership”
many people agree with what was literally days ahead

[bayard]

Quote from kim

do you still have NWO plans - initial and not only?

So now only the lazy one does not know them ... or the blind-deaf-dumb. After all, everything was announced in plain text - both an appeal to the Ukrainian military, and an order not to shoot at soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, not to touch self-defense and Ukrainian symbols in occupied cities ... It was an operation to facilitate an anti-fascist coup in / in the former Ukraine ... It did not grow together ... the Anglo-Saxon special services outplayed.
And "Plan-B" came into force ... for which the attracted forces were not enough and several occupied areas had to be left. There would be a grouping twice as large, nothing would have to be left, and success would have been enough to develop strength.
And there was enough time to prepare for this - plans for an attack on the Donbass, and then the Crimea, had been known since last spring.
But now the "success" of the former Ukraine in the first phase is turning into a terrible tragedy for it. And this is their - the Nazis, the choice. Now their fate is a Ruin and a battlefield with no chance of success. And the outcome is absolutely unambiguous.
A particularly sad fate awaits Gauleiter Kim Nikolaevsky.
And very soon.
Soon everything will change .

[Kim]

uh...
well, fantastic ... Ukrainians are broadcasting "there will be an offensive to the south!"
did our General Staff post their plans in dazibao? or is there still a little smarter people sitting there, and those plans were seen by two or three pairs of eyes, and everything in the media is just information noise?

[bayard]

Quote from kim

and those plans were seen by two or three pairs of eyes, and everything in the media is just information noise?

Not just noise, but also "fog of war".

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: bayard

It was an operation to facilitate an anti-fascist coup in / in the former Ukraine ... It didn’t work out ... the Anglo-Saxon special services outplayed it.

I'm afraid that here, it was not the "Anglo-Saxon" special services that outplayed us, but the incompetence of our intelligence, or some links in the chain ... as a result, reliable information simply did not reach the top, if it certainly existed.

After all, if you think about it like that... who was supposed to take control? Medvedchuk, who, as he found out about the beginning of the SVO, immediately began to make his feet from Kyiv? Moreover, there should have been systematic work, where on our side there should have been a part of the generals, the highest council, and top-level officials / managers from the Ukrainian government ... but there were no, no landings, no high-profile detentions and the feeling that in general pro-Russian there were no forces in Ukraine.

To whom did the GDP address in his speech? To specific people, or just threw a bait based on their fear, and that with the onset of CBO they will simply repaint in a different color ... it’s not clear. Of course, one can assume that they were simply tied up by Western intelligence services, but there are big doubts that such a group of people could survive there and have pro-Russian views in those conditions (since 2014), because all opponents of the regime have long been cleared out, and if such a cry was in 2014, then there would be many times more chances, under the pretext of protecting the Donbass and the start of the ATO - we would actually be met in Kyiv with flowers, and now the train has already left (with a peaceful transfer of power) ... is GDP really so out of touch with reality and did not understand this ? Or was the information so distorted that the wrong decisions were made? And if he understood and intelligence worked as it should ... then it’s even worse here. then the incompetence of the Ministry of Defense turns out to be an incorrect calculation of the forces and means for such an operation.

[bayard]

Quote: Aleksandr21

I'm afraid that here, it was not the "Anglo-Saxon" special services that outplayed us, but the incompetence of our intelligence, or some links in the chain ... as a result, reliable information simply did not reach

Here, rather, there are jambs of "curators of the direction", masters of various muddy agreements ... the same "Surkovism" that has mastered a huge budget on this in 8 years. There were persistent rumors about the arrests of those involved and those responsible in the first weeks of the SVO. You can listen to Strelkov on this matter ... You can review Shariy's streams of the first days of the NWO - he is an informed person and then gave out very interesting information online from the scene.

Quote: Aleksandr21

who was supposed to take control? Medvedchuk, who, as he found out about the beginning of the SVO, immediately began to make his feet from Kyiv?

Actually, Medvedchuk was then under house arrest, almost the whole year before the SVO (preventive measures of the Anglo-Saxons through the SBU and the AP). And it was he who escaped from arrest ... if he really escaped, and was not kidnapped by those very special services immediately after it began. In the very first hours of the beginning of the SVO, Shariy received information about a cluster of cars and people in civilian clothes and uniforms near Medvedchuk's house, about an "unusual movement." There was also information ... about shooting at the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and also an unusual movement. About the shooting at the headquarters of the southern grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Mariupol, where Azov, under the leadership of the special forces of England and the United States, shot the entire command staff of the headquarters ... so that later there was not a single general ... and a large group of NATO generals had to be sent there .. and whether it was because of this collision that the advance of our troops from the southern direction took place so quickly and relatively gently, followed by the blockade of Mariupol.
There were some events of those (first days) that indicate that the words of the GDP were addressed to specific people, and not "in general".
But it did not grow together.
And the political leadership apparently made the main bet on this. For the Army itself was put in the conditions ... in which it found itself - maintaining a database on broad fronts with an extremely limited outfit of forces and without proper reserves. And this is by no means the fault of the military - their actions of those days are beyond praise. But with such an outfit of forces, the result achieved is an outstanding achievement.
The blame lies with those who built the Army just like that - "small, compact, highly mobile, well equipped and trained." But such an army (in size) is good at parades and in the war with "slippers". And we immediately began a classic land operation with fronts of thousands of kilometers ... And we had to reorganize on the go.
And if the war was only with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Even the forces and means of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the disposal of the Army would have been crushed by today, their equipment was knocked out, the economy collapsed, and the political leadership either fled the country or begged for peace talks.
But this is a war with NATO on the territory of the former Ukraine. Sumeria is now completely on their maintenance and financing and supply.

Quote: Aleksandr21

but there were no landings, no high-profile detentions, and there was a feeling that there were no pro-Russian forces in Ukraine at all.

There were practically none in power, but a very solid budget was allocated for their bribery for 8 years, it was mastered, reports were written ... and then they had to answer for it.

Quote: Aleksandr21

if such a cry had been in 2014, then there would have been many times more chances, under the pretext of protecting the Donbass and starting the ATO - we would have been really met in Kyiv with flowers

Yes, that would be it.
But it didn't.
But the agreements of dexterous and "correct" people have come.

Quote: Aleksandr21

. Is GDP really so divorced from reality and did not understand this? Or was the information so distorted that the wrong decisions were made?

We (in the Russian Federation) have built a state "as under Nikolai-2" (Peskov's answer to the question) ... this is what it is.

Quote: Aleksandr21

then the incompetence of the MO turns out and an incorrect calculation of forces

The Ministry of Defense had at its disposal those forces that were created "by the state as under Nicholas-2", so they scraped together "as many as there are" - contract soldiers from the peacetime army, the MTR, the National Guard and the hastily mobilized corps of the republics.
In Russia itself, the word "mobilization" is prohibited, the build-up of forces goes through the recruitment of volunteers under the contract.
And in general, the only ones who are coping now are the Army. But it is unrealistic to achieve more with the existing outfit of forces. So we are waiting for the 3rd stage, when fresh deployed forces will go into action.

[iz odessy]

the first article, in six months, is not political science crap and pretentious "let's crush the khokh-lov", but an attempt to objectively reveal before the eyes of the sofa-google-network geniuses, the real picture of the weapons confrontation. Briefly, clearly and with a hint of "that's not all." It is clear from the article that the critical lag of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is in aviation and the navy, which is well compensated for by air defense systems and anti-ship missiles. And all this, developed and implemented in the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, became "thanks to" Surkov ". In 2014, only a science fiction writer could write this

[bk316]

Exactly the opposite in 14 Air Force and Air Defense 404 was in much better condition. 8 years they cannibalized it. Practically made only MLRS Alder. Therefore, at 14 it was early at 24 it would have been too late, well, this is about the army 404. And what we had in the 14th beam is not to remember. Well, the PRC at 14 was not ready to support us.

[iz odessy]

you know better . a priori. who cannibalized what

[ramzay21]

In 2014, the Armed Forces of Ukraine could not drive the tanks out of the boxes, and they hardly gathered military men from all over the country who could not take Slavinsk for several months, in which a couple of hundred people with small arms settled.
If then Putin had not betrayed us first of all, but had given the order to seize Ukraine, then Odessa and Kharkov and Zaporozhye and Nikolaev, and many other cities would have been under our control with virtually no casualties

[Kim]

and turn off SWIFT ...
"every problem has a quick, effective, but wrong solution"

[ramzay21]

and turn off SWIFT ...

They wouldn't do it for two reasons.
Firstly, in most of the cities everything would have gone peacefully according to the Crimean scenario, and our troops moving in large columns across Ukraine would have entered Kharkov, Lugansk, Donetsk, Mariupol, Kherson, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk and possibly even in Kyiv. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Security Service of Ukraine and the local police, for the most part, would actively go over to our side if they saw our firm determination.
Secondly, there were such leaders in Europe as Merkel and Berlusconi, and they were sure that we would not express concern about such sanctions, but would turn off the gas and drop Europe into the Stone Age, to the delight of refugees

[Kim]

the point of no return was passed in 2008
and "Well, they can't!" current experience is transformed into "may"

[ramzay21]

If you understand that the point of no return was passed in 2008, can you then explain why our leadership did not take any action aimed at preventing Ukraine from being torn away from us until 2014, but sent the traitor Zurabov there as an ambassador, who financed and supported the Maidan and his friend Poroshenko?
And if our leadership understood that confrontation with the West awaited us, then why didn’t we prepare our country for this in 6 years from 2008 to 2014, including the creation of analogues of SWIFT?
And by the way, in 2008, our airlines still flew completely domestic Il-96 and Tu-204 aircraft, did you think they were replaced by Boeings and Airbuses in preparation for sanctions?
That is, do you think that huge sacrifices on both sides now are much better than the absence of these victims if our leadership began to act in the same way as it is now but in 2014?

[Kim]

I believe that the Dark One is acting at the limit of his abilities
sometimes going beyond

[iz odessy]

the word "betrayed" is inappropriate. Decisions are made on the basis of experience and ... "advice." And as it happens, fresh is also the beginning of NWO. Advisers are like worms in manure, "to advise" in the environment. It is fundamental for them not to be responsible for advice and receive budgetary support. "Globalists", from the word "globe"

[bk316]

Vasily, tell me, if in the year 14 we would have turned off the visa, master card, and swift, how would pensioners receive a pension, how would people pay for housing and communal services, but just how would they pay in stores? You understand that 80% of payments in the country are electronic, there is a terminal in the very last hole in a rural store, there has simply not been enough cash in the country for a long time to ensure payments. AND THIS I'M ABOUT PHYSICISTS AND NOT YURIKOV I'M SAYING. Payments for lawyers at 14 went through swift. INSTANT COLLAPSE OF THE WHOLE ECONOMY, THE PEOPLE WHO CANNOT BUY BREAD GO TO THE STREETS. Is it already possible to turn on the brain at least once Vasily, or is this what you want for Russia? After all, Ukraine is just a way to spoil the Russian Federation no more, but what you suggested is not to spoil - it is to cripple or kill.

We go further, you understand that in the year 14 we didn’t have seeds either of our own or a stock of strangers, what did you hear about a plant like F1? We would have torn off the sowing season, and by winter, apart from black bread, we would have nothing from crop production in our stores. For meat, only chickens, and then probably in short supply. In general, the grocery would have been from the 90s, ONLY BUSH'S LEGS WOULD NOT BE DELIVERED TO US.
Now, now we have an excess of foreign currency, because China and India buy oil, and the prices are kept by custody +, but this was agreed with them in advance and opek + at 14 was not at all
. This means that the currency would run out in a month. WHAT TO BUY MEDICINES FOR? Yes, why only medicines, the same electronics for the military-industrial complex, what to buy when there is no currency?

And now about our army. We are now hammering with calibers, Iskanders, the basis of the S-400 air defense system, and the Su-35 in the air. NONE OF THIS IN THE ARMY in 14 either did not exist at all or the deployment was just beginning. In other words, in 14, our weapons were of the same generation as those of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and now the next. Kalashnikov assault rifles overweight and forward with a bang?

And so on in every direction. You can't see beyond your nose. Evil is missing.

[ramzay21]

The most important thing is what plans our leadership had for Ukraine in 2014.
And the most obvious answer to it is the activities of our ambassador to Ukraine in 2014, Mr. Zurabov. And judging by the fact that he financed the Maidan and was friends with the organizers of the Maidan, which our special services and leadership certainly knew about, but did not stop his activities in any way, our leadership did everything to make Ukraine become a state hostile to us, or at least did not prevent it.

In 2014, any solution to the Ukrainian issue was possible in our favor, and the fact that they did not use it then is now being paid for by the death of a huge number of our people and huge destruction.

The fact that we did not have our own interbank settlement system and our own card system in 2014, as well as the fact that in 2022 the vast majority of our aircraft were registered in hostile countries, despite the sanctions, only says that the oligarchic system built in our country is not viable and is not ready for any sanctions.

[bk316]

despite the sanctions, it only says that the oligarchic system built in our country is not viable and is not ready for any sanctions.

Well, so what? Does it somehow change the situation that NWO at 14 would be a disaster for the Russian Federation?

The most important thing is what plans our leadership had for Ukraine in 2014.

I will express a seditious opinion - none.

[Kim]

did not have time to put "+", so I write

[Dedok]

Quote: bk316

Well, the PRC at 14 was not ready to support us.

And what side are they: how do they support us?

[bk316]

Oil is bought in increased volumes and, in general, they are ready to supply UAVs.

[Dedok]

Quote: bk316

Oil is bought in increased volumes and, in general, they are ready to supply UAVs.

And at what discount do they buy?
oil is not bread, you can buy for future use ...
what about "willingness to deliver"- at what price? - so the Chinese began to put out "horse price tags" for spare parts for cars, for everything
and this is support???

[bk316]

and at what discount

Approximately $15 per barrel more expensive than the beginning of the year.

and about the "willingness to deliver" - at what price?

It doesn't matter AT ALL, the West will not deliver at any price.
And we need to buy 300 pieces for any.

And yes, this is support, and I am more and more convinced of your Khohlyatsky mentality.
Support is not a freebie and it's not when everything is done for you.
Support is when you have the opportunity to get something without which it will be very tight. China provides it in full.

[Dedok]

Quote: bk316

And we need to buy 300 pieces for any.

by "any"? But it's not a partnership...
Ukrainians report on the disposal of our UAVs 3-5 per day - 300 units. this is only for 3 months of the SVO
and during this time we will not have time, for sure

[bk316]

by "any"? But it's not a partnership...

Yah?
You have strange notions about partnership.
You are not a partner, you are a freeloader ....

[bayard]

Quote from odessy

In 2014, only a science fiction writer could write such a thing.

Actually, it was in 2014\2015. Strelkov spoke about this quite shrewdly. It is about what the army of Ukrainian fascists will become in 5-8 years.
And worst of all, the Russian land army was not prepared for such a scale and nature of the war. Neither its numbers nor equipment were brought to the required level. After all, if at the time of February 24.02.2022, 300. the RF Armed Forces had a full-fledged grouping AT LEAST (!!!) of XNUMX thousand, the initial success could be developed, gain a foothold in the occupied territories and by now it is guaranteed to lead to victory.
And what we saw ... could not cause anything but amazement ... All that eyewash of the 8 years allotted to us showed itself in all its glory and incompetence ... And, as always, courage and heroism saved the situation from the worst our soldiers and officers of the lower and middle levels.
And all this

Quote from odessy

"thanks to" Surkov "

And we were very lucky that for some strange reason the same OTRK "Thunder" was not made and put into series. When they took it up, and with external funding, I was almost sure that in 5 years they would definitely make it and bring it to the series.
To put it bluntly, we were lucky.
But lucky to those who are lucky. And now I’m not talking about the military workers of the front at all ... I’m talking about the military-political leadership of our wonderful special operation.
... It was the sixth month of the special operation ... fighting in the Donbass ... artillery and MLRS of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are striking at the cities of the DPR, including Donetsk ... the enemy is preparing a "counterattack on Kherson" ... heavy fighting near Avdiivka ... allied armies forces are still conducting offensive (!) Battles against a 3-5 times superior enemy ... in St. Petersburg they are preparing for a naval parade ... Kirkorov has returned to Russia and threatens to speak to wounded soldiers in the Crimea ... "we still have nothing did not start "... soon Kirkorov and Nabiulina will start ...

[bk316]

Kirkorov returned to Russia and threatens to speak to wounded soldiers in the Crimea

This is not a matter of power, it is a matter of civil society.
Let's go and throw rotten eggs at him.

[Dedok]

Quote: bk316

it is a matter of civil society.

try to do what you recommend: drive off to "places a little remote" - immediately

[bk316]

But no, I'm not going anywhere.
Are you all from the terrible Putin and the bloody gebni probably pissing?
But I'll tell you a secret, nothing like this has happened for many years.
You just don't have to be couch.
And we disrupt the concerts of homosexuals and force the Nazis to sing the anthem of Russia, and we cut circles on cars around the Kremlin and the police only support.

[Dedok]

Quote: bk316

Are you all from the terrible Putin and the bloody gebni probably pissing?

as there, with Vysotsky: "... I have already proved everything to myself ..."
and on the "sofa" - this is to yourself

[bayard]

Quote: bk316

Let's go and throw rotten eggs at him.

But how could you do this to the "king" ?
He is so ... in feathers ...
Can you imagine this in a military hospital?
In feathers?

[tihonmarine]

“The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia.

At least it's a "fake" that these are Bismarck's words, if only because in the 19th century what is now called Ukraine was Little Russia. But
it was in "The Entry of Metropolitan Andriy Sheptytsky to the Metropolitan Throne at Lviv" ("Theology", Lviv, 1926, p. 219)

[Unknown]

Quote: tihonmarine

tihonmarine (Vlad)
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“The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia.
At least it's a "fake" that these are Bismarck's words, if only because in the 19th century what is now called Ukraine was Little Russia. But
it was in "The Entry of Metropolitan Andriy Sheptytsky to the Metropolitan Throne at Lviv" ("Theology", Lviv, 1926, p. 219)

Fully corresponds to your definition - natural linden! In the time of Bismarck, even the concept of "Ukrainians" did not occur to anyone, from the word at all. In Volume V of his memoirs, talking about the German policy of the temporary Crimean War, Bismarck mentions the so-called. "The Party of the Weekly", infected by R. von der Goltz and M. Bethmann-Hollweg, which .... played a strange double game. I remember what extensive notes these gentlemen exchanged. Sometimes they got acquainted with a written note and me, hoping to turn As the goal to which Prussia had to strive as the foremost fighter of Europe, it was noted there: the dismemberment of Russia, the rejection of its Baltic provinces, including St. Petersburg, were to go to Prussia and Sweden, the separation of the entire territory of the Polish Republic in its most extensive , fragmentation of the part into Great Russia and Little Russia, although even without that, almost a large Little Russia turned out to be within the maximum expanded territory of the Polish Republic. As seen. about the so-called "Ukraine", not a word.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Unknown

As seen. about the so-called "Ukraine", not a word.

Thanks, all right. Everything else is fiction Svidomo.

[bayard]

Quote: tihonmarine

At least it's "fake" that these are Bismarck's words, if only because in the 19th century what is now called Ukraine was Little Russia.

I don’t know if Bismarck said this, but the fact that in the plans of the Austrian General Staff from the beginning of the second half of the 19th century was the separation of ... Ukraine (yes) from the Russian Empire (of course, the Austrian Empire), the truth is inexorable.
And it was the Austrians who came up with the name for this territory. Although part of this area and its inhabitants themselves, etc., Russian people also called Ukraine (outskirts, borderlands). And in European languages, the word "Ukrainian" means - MARGINAL. The Austrians liked the term and they began to seriously develop this topic - to come up with "Ukrainian language", "Ukrainian history". they accepted marginals from the Little Russians (including Austrian subjects) for maintenance, and they created the so-called for money. "Ukrainian literature" - wretched graphomania, but it was for the mob ...
And they did it.
Well, Comrade Bismarck, of course, could not have been unaware of these plans. After all, at one time he was not only an ambassador to Russia, but also an ambassador to Austria-Hungary ... And as they say, he stole and brought to Berlin a safe with secret plans ... of the Austrian General Staff.
The Sumerians got the flag from the Austrians. And their "army" was created in Austria during WWI.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bayard

that in the plans of the Austrian General Staff from the beginning of the second half of the 19th century there was a separation ... of Ukraine (yes) from the Russian Empire (of course, the Austrian Empire), the truth is inexorable.

The Austrian General Staff may have had a plan, but they are Austrians, they knew very well that they could never defeat Russia, and without Russia in conjunction with Austria, other countries could defeat it, especially after Germany was united in 1864, and in 1866 The Austro-German War began.

[bayard]

And yet, at the end of WWI, it was the Austrians who occupied "Ukraine". And they immediately had the "Hetman", and the "Petlyura", and the "Galician-"Ukrainian" army ready. And before WWII, the Germans, according to the Austrian patterns "Nachtigal" and the SS division "Galicia", created. These were all old developments. Then all these developments turned out to be with the Anglo-Saxons... The relay race of the curators, but the object and the final goal are unchanged.

Quote: tihonmarine

without Russia tied up with Austria, it could be defeated by other countries, especially after Germany was unified in 1864 and the Austro-German War broke out in 1866.

Both of them and I were also members of the "Holy Union" ... but it was then that they made these plans. And they saturated the Russian Court, the Army, the Economy, with their agents. And the whole oea worked in WWI.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bayard

The relay race of the curators, but the object and the final goal are unchanged.

It is fair that Western Ukraine was the patrimony of the Habsburgs, and they imprisoned it for themselves, and Russia still feels it.

[Paladin]

You should not underestimate, I completely agree with this, but there is an opinion that no one underestimated them.
But Bismarck contradicts himself, the first quote is the second, or did he mean some other Ukraine. Even in its western part, anyone lives, Romanians, Hungarians, Rusyns, Jews, Moldovans, these are indigenous Hutsuls in the Carpathians, Russians. But I didn’t see Ukrainians, as a clearly defined nation, either in language or culture, and those who positioned themselves as such are part of the above-mentioned people who use Bandera’s ideology as a culture, and as a language either Little Russian dialects, or the wildest surzhik, a mixture of Little Russian saturated words from the languages ​​of the region. By the way, it’s really an extremely small part, and the rest who follow their lead are just plankton.
And this contradiction calls into question the truth of either the first or the second quote.

[north 2]

But what about the fact that most of the directors and leading designers of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, who consciously understand that their products are created to kill the people of Russia and Russian soldiers, mainly Petrovs, Ivanovs and Sidorovs, and not Petrenkas, Ivanchuks and Sidorchuks? That's who will still have to be denazified! And for eight years, while the Nazi Bandera people were killing children, old people and women of Donbass, these Ivanovs, Petrovs and Sidorovs ran factories and designed weapons for the Bandera army, so that it would decrease the Russians, Russia's faithful and Russia-loving people.
A new Nuremberg is definitely needed, or even directors and designers can pretend to be cooks and orderlies ... And their sentence after Russia's victory in the NVO should include not only guilt in the management of the manufacture of weapons of murder of Russian people, but also the severity of betrayal, because they betrayed the Russian world and Russia..

[House 25 Sq. 380]

The author's idea was probably interesting - but, unfortunately, I did not catch it ....
The Author's judgment that one must be serious, but one must not be boastful and self-confident, is certainly valuable and fair in itself, but it hardly smacks of freshness and novelty and is not the author's "work" ...

As a matter of fact, a picture was pinned to the article, the analysis of which was never carried out, and Bismarck's "statement", which he never said ....
And the wilkha and the kvitnik.... And what about the wilkha and the kvitnik? - a good weapon, yes ...
And then WHAT?

In general, an old Soviet tale about a coach's "setting" before a football match comes to mind: so, guys, we play harder in the back, sharper in front ....

[lopvlad]

The main evidence of this is still flying aircraft and helicopters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which, by all accounts, should no longer be left.

Ukrainian aviation has been essentially gone for a long time, and everything that flies from Ukraine under the logo of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is Soviet aviation brought by the West from all over the world.

financial and technological injections of Western countries will turn the Ukrainian military-industrial complex into a monster, the results of which will pose a significant threat to the national security of the Russian Federation.

and you yourself will create and sponsor yourself a competitor in the arms market, or will you still try to hook him up on your product instead? .I think the answer will be obvious. Already now we can safely say that the goal of the United States is to plant all its satellites on American weapons, and for this the ideal option is to eliminate their military-industrial complex.

and then the Armed Forces of Ukraine would have the opportunity to fire at targets deep in the territory of the Russian Federation - the estimated firing range of the Grom OTRK was supposed to be up to 500 kilometers, and according to some reports, up to 1000 kilometers ..... With all the desire, attribute the Thunder OTRK to failures the Ukrainian military-industrial complex does not work - they simply did not have enough time.

you can draw any performance characteristics on paper, but it’s beyond the power of everyone to make and bring to mind. And indeed, the Grom OTRK cannot be attributed to the failures of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, because in order to talk about failures, you need to make and test at least one prototype.

After the collapse of the USSR, the tank industry of Ukraine was one of the most powerful segments of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. Then the question arises - why are the Armed Forces of Ukraine not saturated with T-84 tanks?

maybe it's because the Ukrainian military-industrial complex for all the years of "independence" has not been able to master the production of barrels and guns for tanks and large-caliber artillery?

By the beginning of the special operation, the Ukrainian military-industrial complex could not give birth to anything interesting, but there is nothing inexplicable in this, after all, aviation is the most complex industry. Nevertheless, as mentioned above, the Ukrainian military-industrial complex repairs the existing aircraft and helicopters extremely successfully, even with the supply of spare parts by Western countries.

in our car service in Russia, they also repair foreign cars from all over the world, but it would never occur to anyone to consider this a success of the Russian car industry.

Information about the "rotten on the ground", "plundered and sold" aviation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, unfortunately, was not confirmed - the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation still cannot achieve air supremacy over the territory of Ukraine

do not try to pass off the successes of the Ukrainian air defense as the successes of the aviation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which has not won a single air battle against Russian aviation.

[Mikhail Maslov]

The military-industrial complex of Ukraine, the weapons behind all this are people, this is where the main mistake is. Strategy, tactics are important, but then. People have made and now use these weapons. And here is the main mistake on our part. this is correct. But as for the rest of Ukraine, everything is not so simple here. Until the people came under fire from their own Armed Forces of Ukraine, they firmly believed that the Russian Federation was an occupier and they needed to be fought. flowers." That's why the Armed Forces of Ukraine are still fighting and are not going to give up. This is not our refinement and mistake. Moreover, it is a strategic one.

[Thorvlobnor IV]

Strategic third (!) attack on the same rake.
The first is the underestimation of Ukraine in 2004-2005 during the first Maidan. Moscow promoted its candidate, but did it too clumsily - the failure of intelligence and analytical departments to assess the mood of the population.
The second - the second Maidan, the same intelligence and analytics below the plinth, did not figure out the layout - and the result is obvious: the same protege of Moscow is fleeing the country.
The third is the current time: the NMD is being carried out, to put it mildly, intricately, based on data taken from the ceiling about the forces and means of the enemy, and most importantly, about his real combat capability.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

It is with this quote from the German "Iron Chancellor" Otto von Bismarck

The author once again showed a poor knowledge of the materiel. Well, Bismarck did not say this, this is a fake attributed to him

[Nikolaevich I]

1. Alder rockets:The gas-dynamic control system was created with the participation of American specialists from Lockheed Martin, which had previously developed the MIM-104F anti-missile with a "gas-dynamic belt"! Previously, the Luch Design Bureau had no experience in creating such systems, and therefore it is not known how much time the cabe "trawled" with this system, working "alone"! In general, the rocket and MLRS turned out to be very successful! MLRS can fire 12 eres in 48 seconds, while each RS in a salvo is aimed at its individual target in an aiming angle of 1,5 km ... The APU was ordered and received about a hundred (maybe with "too much" ...) URS "Alder" with a range of 70 km and with a warhead of 250 kg ... Approximately half of the APU has already been used up ... The APU "Alder-M" with a range of 120 km has not been ordered ... maybe they didn’t have time! The plans of KB "Luch" include the development of RS with a range of up to 200 km and even more! Plans to equip the Alder MLRS with missiles are inspired by the Americans! After all, it was they who were going to equip their M270 MLRS with missiles! But, in the end, the Americans abandoned their idea ... they decided that "the game is not worth the candle"! So it’s not a fact that the APU MLRS would eventually acquire anti-aircraft missiles!
2. By the way, the Ukronats could equip such missiles not at all with "imported" GOS! The Radionics company has created active and semi-active radar seekers for the modernization of the S-125M and RVV R-27 advanced missile systems!
3.Art.shell "Kvitnik": Why does the author count the number of shells since 2012? In 2014, Ukraine abandoned the production of "kvitniks" due to the impossibility of production; 70% of the components were Russian-made ... True, the Ukrainians then rushed to seek "import substitution" ... Poland sold a license for production ... as the author assures, since 2017 they began "independent" production. Here, rather, from this date it is necessary count the produced "kvitniki"! By the way, the "quitniks" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were used in the Donbass in 2014 ...
.ATGM "Stugna-P": ATGM is good! There is also a "highlight": remote control ... the operator is at a distance of 50 m from the installation ... but the caliber of 130 mm prevails ... 152-mm birds have appeared recently and it is unlikely that many of them have been produced ... armored vehicles are called "Barrier". As far as is known, such anti-tank systems are captured by the NM of the LPR and DPR as trophies and are used in battles. The Armed Forces of Ukraine also use "portable" ATGM "Korsar" with a caliber of 107 mm and a range of 2,5 km with laser guidance ... (it was supposed to be launched from the shoulder, but, in the end, the military requested for "corsairs" and launchers.)
There are other interesting things in Ukraine! Thank God, they are available only in prototypes! One "thing" I especially like! Different samples of high-precision weapons can be created based on it! But I will not "shine" it yet! I am also interested in the idea of ​​KAZ "Barrier" (not the "Barrier" itself!) In one form or another, but the idea of ​​"Barrier" is used by some developers in the West ...

[tank64rus]

Well, why do we know this only now. Well, okay, why didn’t we take into account all these years the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and others.

[Mikhail Maslov]

And here you are wrong, even on the site all the weapons of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine were analyzed in detail, but our "cheers-patriots" not only on the site, but also in the Kremlin believed that Ukraine could not or would not be able to produce, develop new weapons. And only when there was a direct threat of an invasion of the Donbass, they came to their senses. Here it surfaced that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are really an army, and not a bunch of defeatists from the times of 2014. Extremely poor awareness, reduced to the distortion of real data on weapons and training of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, still affects the strategy of our Defense Ministry .What is interesting is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not hide their militarization and even advertised. Why they didn’t take it into account is still not clear to me.

[bulava74]

There is no need for any heavy industry, nuclear power plants and other things - a little bit of minority rights, a transgender party, the “Lives of Ukrainian Nationalists Matter” movement and all in the same vein. And the Ukrainian military-industrial complex in full force should return home - to Russia, because, apparently, not only Ukraine will have to "denazify".

That is the main thing that lies in today's realities.
Quite a workable and WORKABLE task. At the very least, this is what one should strive for.

[Maks1995]

Yes. Earlier it was written that everything sucks there. There were a lot of articles, articles, articles ...

And as misunderstandings went, so a bunch of articles with explanations went, and here is one of the first articles, which is not so sucky as an explanation. True, without indicating the data - the number of survivors, possibly survivors, etc ...
Which somewhat undermines the value of the article.

[TreeSmall]

Quote: Andrey Mitrofanov

The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it… it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia….

Fake quote, how long can you fiddle with it?
1. The author contact the Bismarck Foundation in the German city of Friedrichsruh, specifically with Dr. Ulf Morgenstern (Ulf Morgenstern): he will make a diagnosis
2. Not the style of Otto's statements, from the word at all
3.Option Nr.2

For the huge body of the Russian Empire, only one operation is fatal - the amputation of Ukraine

Same shit
And it was like this

Duc and this is not a quote from memoirs, but a retelling of the n-th person after a century +
Is there still a difference?
Everyone procrastinates Bismarck ("Thoughts and Memoirs", p. 584). ("Die Ukraine im Blickfeld deutscher Interessen", Frankfurt/M. ua 1997)
But it's about something else

We cannot demand from Austria that she give up her weapons against Russia, which she owns, supporting the Polish element in Galicia….

[ares1988]

"After all, apparently, not only Ukraine will have to" denazify ". - do the messianic urges to live do not interfere with the author of this kind?

[Dedok]

pithiness and objectivity - that's what we needed when preparing the CBO

[Wanderer_GO]

Before joining the Union, Ukraine was a purely agrarian region...
Now judge for yourself what the development of a foreign territory leads to according to the principle "from the world by a string - to the beggar on a camisole" ...
Yes, such leaders as Khrushchev, Brezhnev did everything possible by developing the territories of Ukraine at a faster pace at the expense of other regions of the USSR. Although in fairness it must be said that the climate, the compact population of the population contributed to this, but in the light of the current situation, the same danger remains that new regions "like a vacuum cleaner" will sweep away all investments intended for the development of sparsely populated regions of Russia ....

[Usher]

The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia. To do this, you only need to find and nurture traitors among the elite and with their help change the self-consciousness of one part of the great people to such an extent that he will hate everything Russian, hate his own family, without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time

why post fake? Aren't you ashamed to write lies? There is no need to invent, there was no Ukraine and Ukrainians in the time of Bismarck.