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The New York Times: Ukraine is trying to show that it can defeat Russia

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The American edition of The New York Times notes that the Ukrainian authorities are trying to persuade the West to increase military support for Kyiv, and as evidence of the effectiveness of the actions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, recent strikes from American Himars rocket launchers on Russian ammunition depots are cited.


Ukraine is trying to show that it can defeat Russia.

Apparently, military support for Kyiv has weakened and skepticism has appeared in the West that Ukraine can win even with the help of modern weaponswrites The New York Times.

New arms deliveries were the main message of the recent speech in the US Congress by the wife of Ukrainian President Olena Zelenskaya, as well as an interview of the Minister of Defense of Ukraine with Western media.

However, Western experts believe that in the foreseeable future, no positive shifts in favor of Kyiv are planned. In the administration of the Ukrainian president, they want to turn the tide of the war before winter, as the head of the Office of the President Yermak said. Previously, the so-called fracture was announced before the end of summer.

According to The New York Times, there are three problems in the US military and political circles related to the supply of weapons to Kyiv:
• depletion of own reserves;
• lack of confidence in the ability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to quickly master the incoming volumes of weapons;
• fear of a premature counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which will bog down.

As American analysts write, it is still unknown whether Ukraine is able to defeat the superior forces of Russia with the supplied means. However, Kyiv's pleas for more and more weapons have become so frequent that in the West they are trying to respond less and less, the New York Times concludes.
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  1. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 22 July 2022 11: 12
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    Ze accumulated large manpower reserves. The mobilizations resulted in an increase in the number of troops and subunits.
    But the tactics of their use in battles and on the offensive is ineffective and leads to the death of reserves.
    1. Myths
      Myths 22 July 2022 11: 24
      +6
      All of his graves are a way to reduce the country's population. The number of hail, tornadoes and toss can be multiplied, which will simply shorten the duration of the entire action. In the meantime, NarZe is driving people to die, their children are sent ... and their lands are occupied, and all this comes from the west ...
    2. EXPrompt
      EXPrompt 22 July 2022 12: 18
      +2
      And does it change anything?
      Well, a lot of potheads have been mobilized, more of them will go to compost. That's the whole difference.
      You won’t get much with Kalash.
      We need artillery, tanks, MLRS, aviation, etc., for this we need professional military personnel and the iron itself, which is constantly knocked out.
      With the mobilized decline in the pros of the military, you will shut up the hell. They need to be taught for a long time and at the same time preserve the pieces of iron for which you trained them, and this is also a problem.
      There are no prospects for Ukarina "to win", there are only options for more or less tough surrender.
      1. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 22 July 2022 12: 37
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        The pros cannot be replaced, but to drag out the war with the RF Armed Forces, to make the RF Armed Forces bogged down in offensive operations on prepared defense sectors with engineering equipment - this is what happens. Our people have been trampling around Avdiivka, Bakhmut, and the suburbs of Donetsk for several months now. No matter how they hit them with artillery, from the air and MLRS - it’s impossible to break through such defenses. And in such conditions, the mobilized can, by their presence and active opposition, thwart attack after attack over and over again. Therefore, the mobilized are not always and not everywhere so useless.
        It must be remembered that among the mobilized there are a lot of those who fought in the LDNR for 8 years and more than once. And they know how to sit in a trench and shoot back.
        We will throw hats - we will get the same thing as in the war of 1905, in the battles for Grozny in 95
        1. EXPrompt
          EXPrompt 22 July 2022 13: 14
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          From your words, I have a strange feeling that you do not watch news and special reporters from different lands.
          It's no secret that the grouping of the Russian Federation with its allies is + -200 thousand, in such a configuration it is impossible to attack quickly by definition. Well, they fettered part of the DPR forces and what's next, this is a small section of the front ..

          Your mobilized in any case, whether he fought before or not, just a man with a Kalash, but perhaps sitting in a concrete trench is the maximum.
          All that he can sit in a trench, and they will pour 152mm shells and MLRS on him.
          Meat concreted lost the initiative.
          What’s next ... It’s impossible to get a victory while sitting in a trench in principle.
          And God forbid they break through the front at another point and you will find yourself in an operational environment.
          All this has already been done a million times in the history of wars, both on the Maginot Line and on the Manerheim Line.
          Well, yes, the Finns dragged out the 1939 war, sitting in concrete pillboxes and trenches, no doubt. Did they win in the end?
          They signed as cute what the USSR wanted.
          I repeat - did mobilization change something?
          Ukraine is not capable of major offensive actions against even 3 times smaller Russian grouping. It is not able to take the initiative and encircle at least some large forces of the LNR DNR and the Russian Federation. This requires mobile combat-ready parts equipped with pros and iron with good air defense ..
          And this means exactly what I said, Ukraine has 0 prospects for victory. Nothing has changed since the beginning of the war, we always have the initiative, from the Gastomel landing operation until today ..
        2. Cheerock
          Cheerock 22 July 2022 14: 00
          -1
          Quote: mojohed2012
          The pros cannot be replaced, but to drag out the war with the RF Armed Forces, to make the RF Armed Forces bogged down in offensive operations on prepared defense sectors with engineering equipment - this is what happens. Our people have been trampling around Avdiivka, Bakhmut, and the suburbs of Donetsk for several months now. No matter how they hit them with artillery, from the air and MLRS - it’s impossible to break through such defenses. And in such conditions, the mobilized can, by their presence and active opposition, thwart attack after attack over and over again. Therefore, the mobilized are not always and not everywhere so useless.
          It must be remembered that among the mobilized there are a lot of those who fought in the LDNR for 8 years and more than once. And they know how to sit in a trench and shoot back.
          We will throw hats - we will get the same thing as in the war of 1905, in the battles for Grozny in 95

          And who told you or why did you get the idea that we need to hurry? From what it follows that our goal is to quickly defeat Ukraine and calm down on this and turn back? CBO is just a cell on the board, and not the most important one. We have a fight with the collective West on the subject of the fact that they will no longer be able to rob us. And then a normal trade and economic war is going on, in which we do not need to rush at all. We were struck with sanctions in the hope of a knockout, but it turned out to be an easy knockdown, and the West, so to speak, broke his right striking hand at the same time - he can no longer repeat the blow and hit with the other hand at least somehow hard while the West cannot either. Now we need to technically drive them into a corner and in September-October begin to spud. This is on the one hand. On the other hand, while the NWO is going on, the West cannot withdraw from the trade and economic war and lift sanctions. If we follow from the logic that we intend to win the war for our independence and destroy the collective West, then we should not rush at all and the logic of what is happening is quite within the logic of the NWO. Slowly bite off and absorb territories as fast as we can defend, restore and integrate them, and by winter force the West to maintain a completely impoverished proxy client. And here we'll see - who has more resources in the form of real gas, coal, bread, and not virtual euros. In the meantime ... well, let them drive the graved personnel under artillery and rockets. As for me, strategically everything is done absolutely correctly. And the main weapon now is not highmars, but gas prices.
  2. ruha
    ruha 22 July 2022 11: 12
    +1
    Mdaa. Journalists are smarter than the military. Although they don't care about anything, the main thing is ratings. I hope we have a master plan. Wait for huge deliveries of military "aid" to Ukraine and seize everything in one rush. )))
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 July 2022 11: 56
      +1
      Quote: ruha
      Mdaa. Journalists are smarter than the military.

      Considering how many mistakes the military make today, I would not rule it out.
  3. Sergio_7
    Sergio_7 22 July 2022 11: 14
    -1
    As American analysts write, it is still unknown whether Ukraine is able to defeat the superior forces of Russia with the supplied means.

    No, they are definitely stupid!
  4. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 22 July 2022 11: 14
    +1
    If we are marking time in frontal attacks for the fifth month of the war, then yes. The West has clearly weakened and its help is insignificant.
    1. Trapperxnumx
      Trapperxnumx 22 July 2022 11: 32
      -3
      Do you want general mobilization and beautiful large-scale offensive operations?
  5. 41 REGION
    41 REGION 22 July 2022 11: 16
    +2
    lack of confidence in the ability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to quickly master the incoming volumes of weapons;

    Everything will be mastered, sold and the money will be divided laughing
    1. U_GOREC
      U_GOREC 22 July 2022 11: 27
      -1
      Quote: 41 REGION
      lack of confidence in the ability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to quickly master the incoming volumes of weapons;

      Everything will be mastered, sold and the money will be divided laughing

      laughing I also think that they can master any volume ...
  6. GNM
    GNM 22 July 2022 11: 19
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    ... As American analysts write, it is still unknown whether Ukraine is able to defeat the superior forces of Russia with the supplied means ...

    And to count and estimate a finger to the nose - weakly?
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 July 2022 11: 28
    0
    Well, if The New York Times already publishes articles in which there are doubts about Ukraine's capabilities, then it is really possible that "the West is trying to respond to them (requests) less and less." Although in words the American and British military say the opposite and promise a lot. Yes, and deliveries continue, just fight.
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 22 July 2022 11: 31
    -1
    The supply of such weapons is to increase the price of our military operations.
    I really hope that the Russian Federation will not be engaged in peacefulness and will supply similar weapons to the next turmoil of the West with anyone. Until this is done, Western society will not understand.
  9. Pharmacist
    Pharmacist 22 July 2022 11: 31
    +1
    Well, what other options does Zelensky have? Recognition of the impossibility of winning is tantamount to capitulation. So it is necessary to propagandize success, it is necessary to demonstrate "victories". The mobilization reserve has not been exhausted, the West is sending weapons. Another thing is that this is agony, Ukraine cannot win the war, but this is bloody agony, the Nazis will not give up.
  10. iouris
    iouris 22 July 2022 11: 32
    -2
    This is not Ukraine, but the Biden administration.
  11. Kachesgm
    Kachesgm 22 July 2022 11: 42
    -3
    I am not aware of how much the Russian military-industrial complex has been destroyed in 30 years, but it is no longer possible to produce weapons in the same volumes as in the USSR. But ... In Ukraine, the military-industrial complex was almost buried in general. Yes, and factories are now closed with calibers.
    Accordingly, he always believed that a country that does not produce weapons is doomed to defeat in the event of a prolonged conflict.
    1. Paladin
      Paladin 22 July 2022 12: 15
      -2
      it is no longer possible to produce weapons in the same volumes as in the USSR

      Almost burst into tears. But in a way you are right. It is impossible, or rather not necessary, to produce weapons in the same volumes as in the USSR, well, or in the same volumes as during the Second World War (very few like to compare), now other weapons with a different degree of efficiency.
      Or maybe you should think that the reason for such an article is that the real reason for the article in NT was that at the moment more Calibers have already been used than they have Tomahawks in service and it is very similar to the fact that there are no less than so many more. But the factories are working.
  12. Uprun
    Uprun 22 July 2022 11: 59
    -2
    A simple statement of facts, there are three sides, some "believe" that the outskirts can defeat Russia, others do not believe, and the third do not care, as long as it is bad for Russia.
  13. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 22 July 2022 12: 02
    -1
    Quote: mojohed2012
    large manpower reserves

    Don't call fascists people!
  14. UFO
    UFO 22 July 2022 12: 05
    0
    You can stop the supply of weapons to Ukraine if you create a threat to suppliers through refugees, mercenaries, etc., who today are controlled by the American club of hunger, but should be controlled by Putin's intercepted food club. The disarmed then will not give up the last.
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 22 July 2022 12: 05
    0
    Now it does not matter the victory or defeat of Ukraine. The West is in a situation where it cannot leave Ukraine
  16. EXPrompt
    EXPrompt 22 July 2022 12: 08
    +3
    The dumb ones have gathered in the NYT.
    Mexico cannot defeat the United States, Ukraine cannot defeat the Russian Federation. A bantustan cannot defeat a superpower, this is an akioma, they will crush it in any case, the potentials are too different.
    And if, in essence, today Ukraine cannot even defeat the entire Russian army, but a small corps 3 times smaller than its APU.

    In fact, for observers, the Russian Federation already showed everything in the first days of the war, capturing Gastomel in the very first hours of the war.
    The troops landed 200 km from the base, and were supported by aircraft for 48 hours. And the garrison of the capital Kuev, I note the not yet battered garrison with the full range of aviation and air defense artillery, could not do anything with the landing force. Washed up.
    Today, the Russian army is even able to perform such operations. This is an indicator of its real combat capability and capabilities.
    Ukarina had no chance to "win" initially.
  17. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 22 July 2022 12: 33
    0
    The West does not need Ukraine's victory, it is ideal for the West that this confrontation never ends, and then it will help justify new spending on defense, rally NATO, endlessly deplete Russia.
    1. Two
      Two 22 July 2022 12: 52
      0
      hi Absolutely in a tutelka! Pshek Brzezinski also wrote that in order to exhaust and destroy any state, it is necessary to carry out constant reforms in it (we only have pension reforms - 3 have passed in 15 years!) And have 1-2 constantly smoldering hotbeds of tension near the borders, which we have!
  18. Ewiak ryzzard
    Ewiak ryzzard 23 July 2022 08: 44
    0
    What is the plan of Heaven? God in the prophetic story determined: "At the appointed time [the king of the north] will return" (Daniel 11:27-29a). And in this context, this means the end of the unipolar world and a big crisis. Russia will regain the influence it lost after the collapse of the USSR. Russian troops will return to where they were previously stationed. Not only the eurozone will collapse, but also the EU and NATO. The return of Russia is also associated with hostilities, as a result of which not only Ukraine will fall out of the American sphere of influence.
    Let me also recall one instructive example in this connection. This was in the time of Nebuchadnezzar. Then God said, “I can give land to anyone I want. Now I have given all the countries to Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, my servant. I will even make wild animals obey him. [...] But now some nations and kingdoms may refuse to serve Babylon and refuse to hang their yokes around their necks. If this happens, I will punish that people with the sword, hunger and terrible diseases. Thus says the Lord. It will be so until I destroy that people. I will use Nebuchadnezzar to destroy the people who fight against him” (Jeremiah 27:5, 6, 8). This is just an example, a cautionary example for the countries of the former USSR and the former Warsaw Pact. Those who oppose God's plans will end badly.