Armed forces of Ukraine strike Antonovsky bridge in Kherson for the second day in a row

For the second day in a row, Ukrainian armed formations have been attacking the Antonovsky bridge in Kherson, which connects the city with the left bank of the Dnieper. As reported in the Kherson VGA, the shelling was carried out with the help of MLRS HIMARS, there are hits in the bridge bed.

The head of the Kherson region administration, Volodymyr Saldo, published an urgent appeal to the citizens of Kherson and the region, stating that due to the damage caused to the Antonovsky Bridge, the movement of freight transport on it will be limited. According to available information, the enemy has been striking the structure for the second day in a row, trying to disrupt communication across the Dnieper. It is reported that two packages were fired at the bridge this morning missiles six in each, some were intercepted Defense, but some still got in.

Repair and restoration work will be carried out on the bridge, and traffic was limited for this.

(...) in connection with the shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a temporary restriction on the movement of vehicles along the Antonovsky bridge is announced (...) cargo vehicles will be able to pass through the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station

- says the appeal.

In the event of the collapse of the Antonovsky bridge, it will be possible to cross to the left bank of the Dnieper only through the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, or to build a ferry crossing. It is worth noting that the hydroelectric power station itself has been under fire from the Armed Forces of Ukraine for many days, the Ukrainian command clearly wants to cut off the left bank. In this case, the Russian units located in this direction may experience certain difficulties with the supply.

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[Frost]

And our bridges across the Dnieper are not bombed. They are intact. Our respected Kyiv partners use them, among other things, to transport weapons and ammunition. Moreover, Russian "military experts" foam at the mouth to prove that such a large infrastructure structure as a bridge across the Dnieper is impossible to destroy.

[The black]

Urgent additional measures are needed to cover the bridge. The object is very important, both in the military and political sense. If the bridge is not reliably covered in time, the Ukrainian Wehrmacht will achieve its goal sooner or later.

[Blade3]

,, There are measures to be taken!, - said analysts of the General Staff after reading the comments on VO

[tralflot1832]

Additional air defense pulled up. Order completed.

[Frost]

Quote from blade3

analysts of the General Staff after reading the comments on VO

Analysts are busy with "military-style PR projects", one of them - the Main Naval Parade in St. Petersburg will soon take place on the last Sunday of July. Moreover, the fleet showed itself in the NWO.

[Ka-52]

what is such a large infrastructure structure as a bridge across the Dnieper, it is impossible to destroy.

well, they bombed the bridges to Lisichansk, so what? There, the bridges are 50 times smaller than across the Dnieper, but until the Ukrainians themselves blew up the supports, the bridges stood. The last artoy was crumbled into a husk, but the canvas remained intact. In Liman they beat with calibers - to no purpose, damage for a couple of hours of repair work. So what seems like a trifling matter to you from the couch is not the fact that it is.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Ka-52

what is such a large infrastructure structure as a bridge across the Dnieper, it is impossible to destroy.

well, they bombed the bridges to Lisichansk, so what? There, the bridges are 50 times smaller than across the Dnieper, but until the Ukrainians themselves blew up the supports, the bridges stood. The last artoy was crumbled into a husk, but the canvas remained intact. In Liman they beat with calibers - to no purpose, damage for a couple of hours of repair work. So what seems like a trifling matter to you from the couch is not the fact that it is.

Concrete-piercing bombs and all kinds of durandales work well against bridges.
Repeatedly in the 80s I read articles in the Western Military District about methods of dealing with bridges.
Accordingly, the articles contained examples of setting a fuse delay, because the bridge, not the runway, the explosion is needed in the thickness of the concrete, and not under it.

[Ka-52]

Concrete-piercing bombs and all kinds of durandales work well against bridges.

Durandal, like our BraBs and Betabs, for concrete pavements, it needs to manage to hit the support.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Ka-52

Concrete-piercing bombs and all kinds of durandales work well against bridges.

Durandal, like our BraBs and Betabs, for concrete pavements, it needs to manage to hit the support.

You don't need to hit the base.
In addition to the support itself, there are still several critical elements.
When the same Betab hits the joint of the span beams, not only the edges of the span beams themselves are destroyed, but also the intermediate transverse support beam on which the span beams lie.
And they always lie on the intermediate, and not on the support.
Yes, and just when it hits a span beam, and it is undermined in a concrete body, at least one beam is completely destroyed, and the neighboring ones are damaged to the point of losing their bearing capacity.

[Ka-52]

Yes, and just when it hits a span beam, and undermining it in a concrete body,

yes, what nonsense? Betab will simply pass through the canvas and even if the fuse is set to instant detonation, all the energy of the explosion will go into space.

When the same Betab hits the joint of the span beams, not only the edges of the span beams themselves are destroyed

it still needs to get

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Ka-52

Yes, and just when it hits a span beam, and undermining it in a concrete body,

yes, what nonsense? Betab will simply pass through the canvas and even if the fuse is set to instant detonation, all the energy of the explosion will go into space.

When the same Betab hits the joint of the span beams, not only the edges of the span beams themselves are destroyed

it still needs to get

All of you are in the category of stupidity.
Everything but your opinion.
In your opinion, if the supports were not destroyed, then the bridge is "whole" ...
And here is the reality:

. The Antonovsky bridge across the Dnieper in the Kherson region was actually destroyed after shelling by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, if the strikes continue, it may collapse, said Kirill Stremousov, deputy head of the military-civilian administration of the region.

“The bridge is actually destroyed. If the blows continue, he may collapse, ”TASS reports his words.

According to the head of the military-civilian administration of the Kherson region Vladimir Saldo, traffic on the bridge is temporarily restricted.

“In connection with the shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a temporary restriction on the movement of vehicles along the Antonovsky Bridge is announced,” he wrote in his Telegram channel.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: SovAr238A

Concrete-piercing bombs and all kinds of durandales work well against bridges.

"Durandali" is against the span canvas. They were generally made to disable the runways of airfields and aircraft in concrete shelters.
To put the bridge out of action for a long time, you need to destroy the support and throw off the span. According to the experience of Vietnam, this requires a UAB with a warhead of at least a ton. UAB and UR of lower power disabled the bridges only for a short time.

[bayard]

Quote: Alexey RA

According to the experience of Vietnam, this requires a UAB with a warhead of at least a ton. UAB and UR of lower power disabled the bridges only for a short time.

X-22?
But go ahead and hit the support with such a fool, but at such speeds.
But here the Armed Forces of Ukraine are hitting "Haymars" at one point of the bridge, and as a result, the span will be brought down. And this is a bridge across the Dnieper, and not across the Stinky River, here to build a pontoon is a non-trivial task. Yes, and the pontoon will live with such a fire effect much less than a reinforced concrete bridge.
So there is only one way out - to urgently start an operation to take Nikolaev with the development of the movement to Transnistria.
Donbass?
As a resident of Donetsk, I will say - do not take the Slavic-Kramatorsk agglomeration yet, but speed up the capture of Avdiivka and Pesok. Do not start seriously with regard to Kharkov, but transfer the entire force of the blow to Nikolaev with a quick blocking of Odessa. Remove the issue with the possible supply of the Armed Forces of Ukraine by sea under the guise of grain convoys! Eliminate the threat of attacks on the Crimea! And to deal with Slavyansk and Kramatorsk after taking Avdeevka and Pesok.
After taking Nikolaev and blocking Odessa, you can take up Kharkov (bypassing, blocking, knocking out equipment and l / with guided weapons from an UAV). And only after that think about the fate of Kyiv and memory.
Bandera's homeland must also be taken. And to Kyiv and the Dnieper region, after taking the memory, they will find themselves in a global boiler and will not last long without supplies from the outside.
Leave the cities of the middle and lower Dnieper region for dessert. Let them winter without gas, coal, etc. supplies.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: bayard

X-22?

UPAB-1500B.
She does not have a GOS - only INS + correction from a satellite navigation system. But the range is up to 50 km, and it is serial. Taking into account the QUO 10 m - once in the fifth or sixth they will hit the support.

[bayard]

Quote: Alexey RA

But the range is up to 50 km

This is not enough - apparently they don’t want to risk aircraft - the bridges are in the depths of the territory and are well covered.
And to drop a bomb, you need to gain altitude (hello air defense).
If you try to go to WWI and from a cabling ... the chances are much less, the risks are almost the same.

Quote: Alexey RA

Taking into account the QUO 10 m - once in the fifth or sixth they will hit the support.

If from a gentle dive, then maybe on the 20th, but for each attempt on an airplane at an expense ... Yes, with our number of aircraft ...
No, I'll probably choose the X-22. It can conjure with the guidance system, but at least not risk the carrier.

[Alex777]

Quote: bayard

But here the Armed Forces of Ukraine are hitting "Haymars" at one point of the bridge, and as a result, the span will be brought down. And this is a bridge across the Dnieper, and not across the Stinky River, here to build a pontoon is a non-trivial task.

Our S-400s are being transferred to prevent such joy.

Quote: bayard

As a resident of Donetsk, I will say - do not take the Slavic-Kramatorsk agglomeration yet, but speed up the capture of Avdiivka and Pesok.

The capture of Avdiivka will save Donetsk from shelling.
Capture of the Slavic-Kramatorsk agglomeration
would cast doubt on future
supply of arms for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Both of these tasks
highest priority. Both need to be addressed by PMSM.

Quote: bayard

Do not start seriously in relation to Kharkov

I may be wrong, but I believe that the captures by us
Kharkov, will solve the issue of shelling the territory
Russia. And just to surround him, there is not enough strength.

Quote: bayard

transfer all the force of the blow to Nikolaev with a quick blocking of Odessa.

I like the idea, but forces, for a stretched
We don't have enough front yet. That's why
it is necessary to release the forces in Donetsk. So here....

[bayard]

Quote: Alex777

Our S-400s are being transferred to prevent such joy.

It will be bold against the Hymars, here the "Shell with the Buk-M2 \ M3" is enough, except for better coverage of the air situation and against aviation, because it is not translated.

Quote: Alex777

The capture of Avdiivka will save Donetsk from shelling.
Capture of the Slavic-Kramatorsk agglomeration
would cast doubt on future
supply of arms for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Both of these tasks
top priority.

It's true . it just seems to me that the words that "we will stop deliveries if Kramatorsk and Slavyansk fall" are a banal lure / disinformation for us, motivating the main forces to swarm in the Donbass, and the Sumerians - an additional incentive for stubborn resistance. They won't stop deliveries! On the contrary, they will increase as the Sumerians master new samples for them and prepare new calculations.
I consider it reasonable to develop a frown north of Avdiivka with an approach to the rear, the expansion of a wedge and a break in the line of defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass into two non-communicating parts.
Then the destruction of the Avdeevskaya grouping by oncoming traffic from the south and from the north along the rear of the enemy. And only after that part of our grouping from the Donetsk direction to go from the south to the Slavic-Kramatorsk grouping. All this can be carried out with the forces available in the theater.
And for the Nikolaevsky direction, use the prepared, accumulated reserves, choosing it as the highest priority for completion before mid-autumn.

Quote: Alex777

I may be wrong, but I believe that the captures by us
Kharkov, will solve the issue of shelling the territory
Russia. And just to surround him, there is not enough strength.

Encircling is not enough, but is it "quite" to storm?
It suffices to take Kharkov into a semicircle, cutting off the main roads and communications or keeping them under fire control. Hang drones over the city, first knock out air defense, then methodically destroy military equipment and l / s.
And you can’t delay with these events - the promised and announced F-15 and F-16 will soon appear on the theater of operations. If they are applied in the same way as now - scattered, singly and in pairs, then this will not create a special problem. But there will be nuances - these aircraft have more advanced AIM-120 RVVs, anti-radar missiles, UAB and other NATO goodies. And they will use them according to external target designation from AWACS aircraft and satellites ... Yes, and pilots in the cockpits may turn out to be not only hastily retrained Sumerians, but quite "wild geese" from Polish and other NATO dovecotes. This must be kept in mind, prepare and accelerate the operation in the south (Nikolaev-Odessa).
After the capture of Nikolaev, the blockade of Odessa and Kharkov ... depending on the forces available, it is possible to launch a strike from Belarus to Western Ukraine, cutting off the supply routes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to Europe.

Quote: Alex777

strength is not enough.

And what do the Ministry of Defense, military registration and enlistment offices and the Russian Guard do for almost half a year? As far as I know and hear, the formation of contract battalions is underway in many regions of the country, equipment from storage bases is being trained and used for their armament and equipment.
And yes, as for the UAV, I am counting on the receipt of the corresponding amount from Iran and from our industry.
How else can we dramatically increase the strike power of our groups?
There is such a reserve - these are Tochka-U complexes at storage bases. The last of them entered storage only a year ago, and at these bases we have 10 brigade sets and about 10 missiles for them. It is enough to return to service a division in each direction, and having provided high-quality target designation, use massively, using in counter-battery combat against MLRS and long-range artillery of the enemy, attacks on warehouses and fortification nodes. These missiles still had to be prepared for disposal, so let this disposal take place with the maximum benefit for the Motherland.

Quote: Alex777

I like the idea, but forces, for a stretched
We don't have enough front yet. That's why
it is necessary to release the forces in Donetsk. So..

The forces on the Donetsk Front will be messing around for a relatively long time - with such and such a fortification, so the course of events here should go on as usual, because after defeating the enemy in Avdiivka, Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, some of them will go to Zaporozhye from the east, the other part - to Dnepropetrovsk region , where a new line of defense has already been built for them along the Lozovaya-Pavlograd-Sinelnikovo line. It is not worth getting involved in battles on this line, it is enough to organize a blockade and fire control.
But the third part of the Donbass grouping (after the capture of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk), should go to Kharkov from the south, which will ensure a dense semi-circle with fire control of communications.
So for the Donbass grouping of tasks, there will be enough on your theater of operations.
And in the Southern Direction (Nikolaev, Odessa), it is necessary to use the forces of a trained reserve for an energetic offensive along the southern Russian steppes, bypassing Nikolaev and storming it from 3 sides. In the north, it should go to the line Krivoy Rog - Vinnitsa, in the west - to the border with Transnistria and begin to compress the ring around Odessa. To carry out such an operation, the trained forces will be enough, even if they are not fully involved.
The cities of the Dnieper region should not be taken, except perhaps Zaporozhye - if it bakes from there with their restlessness.
It is approximately at such positions that we will meet the Heating Season, which will begin both in / on and in Europe ... without heating. And how it will pass, it will depend only on the correctness of behavior.

This calculation and procedure is taken from the condition that the RF Armed Forces have at least doubled their numbers during the reporting period (since February 2, 24.02.2022), and that enough battalions have been formed under the contract under the wing of the Russian Guard.
But in theory, there should be more forces than I assumed.

Causes concern only one thing - Treason, possible in the towers of power.

[Alex777]

Quote: bayard

It will be bold against the Hymars, here the "Shell with the Buk-M2 \ M3" is enough, except for better coverage of the air situation and against aviation, because it is not translated.

The S-400 and the lighting of the situation will improve and the target designation of Bukam and Shells can be given.
For MLRS - that's it. As far as I understand.

Quote: bayard

I consider it reasonable to develop a frown north of Avdiivka with a call to the rear, an expansion of the wedge and a break in the line of defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass into two non-communicating parts.
Then the destruction of the Avdeevskaya grouping by oncoming traffic from the south and from the north along the rear of the enemy. And only after that part of our grouping from the Donetsk direction to go from the south to the Slavic-Kramatorsk grouping. All this can be carried out with the forces available in the theater.

I agree.

Quote: bayard

It suffices to take Kharkov into a semicircle, cutting off the main roads and communications or keeping them under fire control.

Possible.

Quote: bayard

As far as I know and hear, the formation of contract battalions is underway in many regions of the country

There are rumors. And how many have scored and when they will be ready for battle - I do not know.

Quote: bayard

And yes, as for the UAV, I am counting on the receipt of the corresponding amount from Iran and from our industry.

In Iran, not long ago, they somehow suppressed mass protests of the population. They need to lift sanctions. I already wrote that in my opinion, both the threat of creating nuclear weapons and the threat to sell drones are attempts to draw the States into negotiations. If these attempts fail, then everything is possible. But I don’t expect this to happen quickly. Everyone has their own interests. We don’t give the Persians everything they would like either. By the way, the Su-35 topic has suspiciously died down.

Quote: bayard

And in the Southern Direction (Nikolaev, Odessa), it is necessary to use the forces of a trained reserve for an energetic offensive along the southern Russian steppes, bypassing Nikolaev and storming it from 3 sides. In the north, it should go to the line Krivoy Rog - Vinnitsa, in the west - to the border with Transnistria and begin to compress the ring around Odessa.

The scenario suggests itself, but the offensive to the West must be combined with the defense against northern counterattacks. Everything depends on the number of fighters. If Ukrainians from the liberated territories go into battle on our side en masse, then options are possible.

Quote: bayard

Cities of the Dnieper region should not be taken

Don't know. If we reach Odessa, then we will have to take it. After the defeat in the Donbass, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will most likely leave the Dnieper. Yes, and we need advantageous positions to hold. And it is desirable to control the dams. As far as we can.

Quote: bayard

This calculation and procedure is taken from the condition that the RF Armed Forces have at least doubled their numbers during the reporting period (since February 2, 24.02.2022), and that enough battalions have been formed under the contract under the wing of the Russian Guard.

I tend to agree with this:

Quote: bayard

But in theory, there should be more forces than I assumed

Quote: bayard

Causes concern only one thing - Treason, possible in the towers of power.

What you run from is what you run into.

Let's hope for the best...

[bayard]

Quote: Alex777

The S-400 and the lighting of the situation will improve and the target designation of Bukam and Shells can be given.
For MLRS - that's it. As far as I understand.

To counter the MLRS (including Haymars), the Buk-M2 \ M3 and Pantsir-S with their own means of reconnaissance and target designation are quite enough, but to intercept missiles with a range of up to 300 km, it is already desirable to have an S-400 with his MFRS in order to detect and guide missiles even in the climb section... So the decision to deploy the S-400 is the right one.

Quote: Alex777

There are rumors. And how many have scored and when they will be ready for battle - I do not know.

I figured that the mere increase in the number of units (4th squad in a platoon, 4th platoon in a company, 4th company in a battalion) already makes it possible to double the total number of the RF Armed Forces, and in fact since last year the formation several new formations (including a new airborne division). Plus, the formation of volunteer units went under the auspices and within the framework of the Russian Guard. The replenishment of volunteers from the Russian Federation, the corps of the republics, went on and continues.

Quote: Alex777

In Iran, not so long ago, mass demonstrations of the population were somehow suppressed. They need to lift the sanctions. I already wrote that, in my opinion, both the threat to create nuclear weapons and the threat to sell drones are attempts to pull the States into negotiations

I have carefully looked at the subject of negotiations in Iran. This meeting was not empty - agreements were signed on Russian investments in Iran for 40 billion dollars. , negotiations have begun on the construction of gas-liquefying capacities in Iran (LNG plant / plants) using Russian technologies (and we have them, as well as production facilities for completing such plants), a gas pipeline ... like even to India ...
This is the open part, and it is very large, significant and appetizing.
And all military supplies and cooperation programs are tightly classified and not public. So before, we supplied them with radars and air defense systems, which others learned about only a few years later.
Even in Iran, the free sale of rubles began, an exchange of swaps was carried out, so that all trade will be carried out exclusively in national currencies.
Iran is very interested in our grain and vegetable oil, and our retail chains are very interested in Iranian vegetables, which are several times cheaper than Turkish and others.
I already wrote about Iranian gas turbines - they will be supplied to the Russian Federation for the modernization of our thermal power plants.
So UAVs will be in everything we are interested in assortment. And quantity. This was stated at Solovyov by a deputy general, a member of the defense committee and himself who had worked a lot before with the IRGC and the Iranian military-political leadership. He said that everything will be, and even more than many can think of.

Quote: Alex777

By the way, the topic of the Su-35 somehow calmed down suspiciously.

And this topic was not public. It was just that at a certain moment a "leak" was organized that in the middle of summer (that is, right now) the retraining course for Iranian pilots on the Su-35SE would end. By the same time, the assembly of the last 8 such machines from a batch of 24 pieces should be completed. And as soon as the pilots and planes are ready, they will immediately fly to Iran. This was said a little over six months ago. After that, silence. And this silence is by our mutual choice.
Let's just say - an investment of 40 billion dollars. at such a difficult moment in our history, when we also need to raise the former Ukraine from the ruins ... how can you characterize?
Correctly . I will not voice.

Quote: Alex777

If Ukrainians from the liberated territories go into battle on our side en masse, then options are possible.

If it were 2014/2015 now, then hundreds of thousands would have risen up under the banner of the Russian Federation against fascism... But after so many... betrayals and so much that has been experienced... And it is not under the red flag that the liberators are entering (the Victory Banner is a substitute that does not reflect the content, but is perceived very well... But people no longer believe in words... And they remember HOW the Russian Federation entered, causing amazement, leaving fascist (so-called Ukrainian) symbols, administrations, without disarming the self-defense gangs, without leaving garrisons, without creating military-civil administrations... How can we trust them now?
After so many amazing "eccentricities", muddy negotiations, ongoing talk about new negotiations ... after the unblocking of the Odessa ports with a permit for control and demining (!!! ) Turk ...
These are traitors.
Tomorrow they will come to an agreement, leave and abandon the people who trusted them ... and after all, someone already receives Russian passports ... But there is no faith.
And faith is not deserved.
Sad as it is.
The majority are greeted as liberators , but ... The Kremlin is not trusted .
Peskov - do not believe.
Nabiulina , Siluanov , Kudrin , ... do not believe . And how else to go to war? When they betray, without blinking, both the Motherland and the People of Russia ... they don’t keep a word ... they introduce a "WILD GROWTH TAX" !!! Already in the forest you can’t pick mushrooms, not even berries - pay tax for everything ... And the war came ... and some were immediately "scared, even though they were patriots", while according to others it turned out that, according to the results of their many years of "labor" in the Army no essentials! And no one apologized, did not correct himself, did not rush like a fly to China on his own plane for mavics, radio stations, heat packs ... NO! They just quietly continue to hurt.
After all, many people can see this ... and they don’t believe such a government ... The Nazis are certainly worse ... but they (the Nazis) can return. It's just that the boys will agree and they will have a new "Minsk-3" or "Istanbul-1".
Now they are sweeping such brooms that you don’t know what to expect from them ... If it weren’t for the Motherland, the land, not for their own ... then for these ... no one would go to war.
... You can hear that even now in the same Rogvardia there are a lot of refuseniks ... But this is a tragedy of power.
This is a repetition of the past - in 1917.
After all, they built the state, so that "as under Nicholas-2." Here the result is the same.
So that aristocracy at least fought in WWI, REV ... and these?
Stalin and the entire Soviet leadership had children who fought - all children!
And the red commissars themselves WORKED! And they gave results.
They gave SUCH a result in 10 years of Industrialization, people felt it SO well for themselves that when the enemy came, they tore it with their teeth. Because it was THEIR country. AND THEIR Power. That's how they perceived it.
And now ? In Russia ? Even jingoistic patriots from the couch are in no hurry to the military registration and enlistment office ... And if the agenda comes ...?
That's why they are afraid of mobilization like fire - it will reveal this ...
Well, for a contract in the liberated territories ... I think it’s quite possible - a lot of money, a social package, payments for injuries and in case of death ... I think it’s possible to recruit up to half of ukrov prisoners of war under such conditions ... But it’s just that it will, what do you need ? And how many mishandled Cossacks can get in there?
... 8 years were not in vain.
And the brains there have been reflashed for 30 years.

[Alex777]

Quote: bayard

To counter the MLRS (including Haymars), the Buk-M2 \ M3 and Pantsir-S with their own means of reconnaissance and target designation are quite enough

Something was missing, since the bridge was "pecked".

Quote: bayard

... but to intercept missiles with a range of up to 300 km. it is already desirable to have an S-400 with its MFRS in order to detect and conduct missiles even in the climb section. So the decision to deploy the S-400 is the right one.

Either way, it's the right decision. What rockets
300 km in advance to detect that conventional MLRS launches.
Judging by the fact that all 12 shells were intercepted that night, the process has begun.

[bayard]

Quote: Alex777

Judging by the fact that all 12 shells were intercepted that night, the process has begun.

Intercepting a full salvo of two Hymars is a very good result. The main thing is not to allow your air defense to be overloaded. We have recently heard such performance over Donetsk more than once, so the quality of our air defense itself is quite good, there would be enough missiles from the detachment of forces to repel the entire volley.

[Alex777]

Enemies are not appeased:

Our source in the OP said that the General Staff, together with the Pentagon, transformed the strategy for the destruction of bridges across the Dnieper. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, together with Western intelligence agencies, is preparing a complex strike of 4 HIMARS, 2 Hurricanes and several attack drones in order to bypass the air defense system of Russian troops in Kherson.

I really hope we can fight back.
In case of our success, there will be a decent disappointment for both the clown gang and everyone
her advisers.

[bayard]

; Hymars, that's 6 x 4 = 24
Plus 16 missiles in a salvo of "Hurricane" x2 = 32 ...
That's 56 missiles in total.
If there are also attack UAVs, which will most likely try to hit air defense systems ... then you need to prepare well.
Better yet, just take Nikolaev and his entire region.

[Alex777]

Quote: bayard

Better yet, just take Nikolaev and his entire region.

[flicker]

until the ykrs themselves blew up the supports

That's right, but you can't prove it to the "hypopoles" here.

[Ryazan87]

And "useless" and "not relevant" HIMARS. Apparently, a major ukrov attack on Kherson is a matter for the near future.

[Blade3]

Itself is not funny about the "offensive"?

[Ka-52]

Itself is not funny about the "offensive"?

a reliable source in the person of Aristovich told him. A hole in the canvas of the bridge is 100% surety of a large-scale offensive

[private person]

Itself is not funny about the "offensive"?

Why should it be funny? Every day there are reports that something here and there is somehow carrying out attacks, even if not with large forces. After all, this is the probing of defense in different areas, an obvious preparation for something.

[Ka-52]

Why should it be funny?

and what is this probing? Come on, develop your thought or did you run out of it halfway through? What goals does the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine set for itself when planning an offensive (don't talk nonsense about liberating Crimea)? What resources does Ukraine have to develop an offensive? What means will be used to support such a military operation? What does the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have to not only break through the southern front, but also to develop an offensive, and in such a way that flank counterattacks by allied forces do not turn the breakthrough into a cauldron. Does Ukraine have that many tank brigades (they have 2 active ones, 1 and 17 + 4 reserve brigades without tanks). Does Ukraine have the ability to concentrate so much artillery at the tip of the breakthrough as to suppress not only the defense, but also the Russian artillery? Does Ukraine have attack aviation, not in trace quantities, but in operational-tactical quantities?
Ask yourself these questions before writing about the counteroffensive that the Ukrainians are scaring us with here.

[private person]

Does Ukraine have the opportunity to concentrate so much artillery on the tip of the breakthrough in order to suppress not only the defense, but also Russian artillery?

And you think not? Stop shouting hurray already.

[mikh-korsakov]

The destruction of the road surface, in addition to closing the bridge for the duration of the repair, will ultimately lead to damage to the beams covering the span, and this is serious. The media has already driven us crazy on the topic: there is no need to destroy bridges across the Dnieper, there is nothing to destroy, it is expensive, difficult. However, the Ukrainians did not listen to ours and "never happened and here we go again." How are we going to supply the right bank? Okay, let's say we cannot reach the Dnieper with artillery. But what prevents us from destroying the bridge across the Southern Bug in Nikolaev. The distance from Kherson to the bridge across the Southern Bug is 60 km. This is quite accessible for our "Coalition" system. The next bridge across the Southern Bug is about 130 km from Nikolaev in Voznesensk. It was damaged. So it is also difficult. Well, of course, now everyone's attention is on the parade in St. Petersburg, so we don't have to worry about the bridges there? For our Kyiv opponents, it seems that the impossible has become little.

[Nickelium]

You compared one bridge with ten. How many missiles were sent to Zatoka? And imagine 15 such bays. They will be able to Ukrainians drag weapons along the river? Easy. Our guys won't be shooting at every raft with Kalibr. So it turns out that you can use up the entire arsenal of Haimars on one bridge and trumpet about victory. Even Zatoka is a trifle for us.
Another thing is that such a strategically important object as a bridge is not covered by air defense. Why? Guys relaxed.

[mikh-korsakov]

The fact that it is expensive, difficult, ineffective - perhaps it is if we consider strikes with high-precision aiming missiles, who argues, but this is a question for specialists. My specific question concerns the bridge across the Southern Bug in Nikolaev. The activation of the enemy in the Kherson direction is obvious. The Southern Bug in its lower reaches is a wide river. The second bridge is located 130 km upstream. The bridge at Nikolaev is within reach of our artillery systems, such as the Coalition. Therefore, the question of the cost and quantity of weapons in this case is removed. The destruction of this bridge would complicate the logistics for the enemy in the direction of Kherson. And the enemy is active there, he has the task of recapturing Kherson.

[Nickelium]

Without superiority in artillery and aviation, Kherson cannot be recaptured. But I think that it is necessary to move the enemy to the very borders of Nikolaev, forestalling all his convulsions.
With regards to the bridge over the Bug - a difficult question. And if they plan to attack on it?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Nickelium

You compared one bridge with ten. How many missiles were sent to Zatoka? And imagine 15 such bays. They will be able to Ukrainians drag weapons along the river? Easy. Our guys won't be shooting at every raft with Kalibr. So it turns out that you can use up the entire arsenal of Haimars on one bridge and trumpet about victory. Even Zatoka is a trifle for us.
Another thing is that such a strategically important object as a bridge is not covered by air defense. Why? Guys relaxed.

The cost of a modern missile of the M30 / 31/32 family, aka GMLRS, is estimated by the manufacturer under a contract with the US Army at 90 thousand dollars.
The cost of one Caliber must be at least $ 1 million.
18 of these rockets stopped the bridge, which now requires major repairs, this is not a 1-meter hole, as they are trying to underestimate the damage.
18 himars or 5 calibers, and the caliber has a very unsuccessful flight path for destroying bridges.

[Alex777]

Quote: SovAr238A

The cost of one Caliber must be at least $ 1 million.

I guess less. Once in two. But there is no data. Secret.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Alex777

Quote: SovAr238A

The cost of one Caliber must be at least $ 1 million.

I guess less. Once in two. But there is no data. Secret.

Don't write nonsense.
It is impossible to make a copy of the Tomahawk, cheaper than the Tomahawk.
Our state defense order always works at the highest possible price.
All suppliers of components for the production of Calibers always buy everything at the highest possible price.
I myself watched the auctions for the state defense order several times.
Computers from military-industrial complex enterprises are bought for two to three times more than they are on the market, the circle of suppliers is simply limited by certain formulations and these formulations have nothing to do with security.
Sand and cement and asphalt for these enterprises are also three times more expensive.
Prices for metal, for components - in our country, it’s not just exchange prices, they are tripled for the military-industrial complex, because no one except accredited ones has the right to supply the required metal, therefore accredited ones break prices beyond the limits because they have no competitors.
The state defense order is the very prohibitive super cut of the budget.
The cost of labor does not exceed 10% of the cost of the finished product, both for subcontractors and for the assembler.

I am more confident that in the current situation, the cost of a caliber is about one and a half times higher than the cost of a Tomahawk.
That is about 2 million dollars.
For our domestic prices are now almost twice as high as world prices.

[TEX-50]

Computers are bought two or three times more expensive? Well now maybe. In my time it was 50-60 times more expensive!

[Alex777]

Quote: Nickelium

Another thing is that such a strategically important object as a bridge is not covered by air defense. Why? Guys relaxed.

Oh sure. The guys at the front do nothing but relax...

[Nickelium]

Duc Kherson was a rear for a long time. And in our country, when there are no hostilities, people relax. Well, the fact that strategic objects were not covered is a joint. Hope for a chance. We even had 44 such vehicles.

[Alex777]

Quote: Nickelium

Duc Kherson was a rear for a long time.

Yeah. Rear. And where are the Sumerians trying to arrange all the offensives?

[Nickelium]

I do not know where. But definitely not near Kherson.

[Alex777]

Quote: Nickelium

I do not know where. But definitely not near Kherson.

Well, take an interest in the subject.
Zelensky has 2 main tasks:
1. Recapture Kherson.
2. Recapture Energodar.

https://www.kommersant.ru
https://argumenti.ru/army/2022/06/777511/doc/5458577
https://regnum.ru/news/3581304.html

[Nickelium]

Really? His task is to make the SVO last as long as possible and to keep the firewood flowing.
It is unrealistic to recapture Kherson and Energodar without an advantage in artillery and aviation. It is possible and they will try, but the result will be like with Davydov Brod. To fight in the bare steppe is not to defend yourself in a fortified area,

[Paladin]

This is Odessa, somewhere one of these days. X-59M2
Well, for objectivity))

[donavi49]

This is not Odessa, but a bridge in Liman to Bessarabia and Romania. The number of blows on him exceeded ten.

[Paladin]

Yes, Liman, just cut it off from the area. Is that fresh.

[Luenkov]

The housewife said that they were aiming in the wrong direction ... Bridges are not collapsing like that, they recently removed toys with a child ...

[Roma 1977]

The experts are right. "Destroy the bridge" without destroying its supports - these are holes in the canvas, which are closed by the usual road service. And to destroy the support - it is necessary to competently lay a multi-ton charge on it and blow it up. A rocket, even with a warhead of 200-300 kg of TNT, will not help here.

[Frost]

Quote: Roma-1977

"Destroy the bridge" without destroying its supports - these are holes in the canvas, which are closed by the usual road service.

"Holes in the canvas" will end with the collapse of the bridge span.

[Roma 1977]

The span rests on massive reinforced concrete beams. A sort of I-beams that are not so easy to destroy.

[SovAr238A]

The bridge has been shut down completely.

[Luenkov]

It’s not the usual one that closes up such holes, but it closes up and it’s cheaper than these rockets ...

[donavi49]

A little wrong.

The destruction of the support is the failure of the bridge for years. That is, a bridge to minus until the end of the war (because long-term capital work is needed there, which are impossible under arrivals).

The destruction of the canvas depends on the accuracy, but with accuracy everything is fine, you can watch the video. If you make holes in an even layer, then the bridge will withstand a lot. If it is heaped up, then the structural strength in this area drops sharply and it sags. In fact, the purpose of these strikes is to sag, crack or collapse the span.

Again, a high accuracy of arrivals is a dynamic load on specific sections of the ribs. Well, then it's just a question of when the accumulated cracks and damage to the load-bearing frame will lead to a partial or complete collapse of the span.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: donavi49

The destruction of the canvas depends on the accuracy, but with accuracy everything is fine, you can watch the video. If you make holes in an even layer, then the bridge will withstand a lot. If it is heaped up, then the structural strength in this area drops sharply and it sags. In fact, the purpose of these strikes is to sag, crack or collapse the span.

The problem is that with intact supports, the restoration of the bridge will take much less time. In the end, it is possible to put a temporary steel structure of a collapsible bridge, such as some kind of BARM, in place of a stationary span, on its supports.

[donavi49]

Repair under new arrivals is a so-so task. As well as temporary crossings like BARM, they are not only seriously cut off throughput at once, but they are also vulnerable in themselves.

That is, the situation when the bridge in permanent repair as a whole suits the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: donavi49

Repair under new arrivals is a so-so task. As well as temporary crossings like BARM, they are not only seriously cut off throughput at once, but they are also vulnerable in themselves.

That's right.
But a bridge of reduced capacity (in case of damage to only the span with the installation of a BARM in its place) is still better than a bridge of zero capacity (in case of damage to the support).

[Roma 1977]

Today's photo is from that bridge. As you can see - the repair is simple and cheap to disgrace

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Roma-1977

Today's photo is from that bridge. As you can see - the repair is simple and cheap to disgrace

This is while the hits go to the flooring between the longitudinal power beams of the span.

If they break the beam, you won’t get off with simple concreting.

[Bshkaus]

The experts are right. "Destroy the bridge" without destroying its supports - these are holes in the canvas, which are closed by the usual road service. And destroy the support

So, but not so: a bridge is a slab, and a chimars is not a 152mm projectile working on concrete "in compression", although it is also not particularly effective for bridges.
The video shows that they are piercing concrete slabs through and through, and this is the destruction of the reinforcing cage. 8 holes can be filled with M350, but 80 heap holes will clearly reduce the work on stretching the plates and here you will think 10 times whether it is worth doing slalom between these holes on a 45 ton tank

[Vita vko]

Quote: Hoarfrost

use them to transport weapons, ammunition

With good reconnaissance through bridge traffic control, it is easy to identify logistics centers and l / s traffic. But bridges and roads with Poland and Romania are definitely not needed. It's high time to erase everything there.

[jovanni]

And these same "military experts" with no less foam at the mouth continue to prove that the HIMARS MLRS is crap, crap, and does not change anything. And the bridge is gone...

[Nastia makarova]

now on boats to carry ammunition and equipment to Kherson?

[igorbrsv]

Don't worry. It will be necessary to build a pontoon crossing. And the bridge is not bye-bye. It functions

[Nastia makarova]

pontoon is easier to destroy

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: igorbrsv

Don't worry. It will be necessary to build a pontoon crossing. And the bridge is not bye-bye. It functions

A pontoon crossing for 3 km, and there is such a width of the Dnieper, this is not a joke, to build it, it is a bunch of personnel and equipment on the shore, hit and hit HIMARS there, this time.
Such a pontoon crossing must be constantly held, about 10 tugboats, so that it would not be blown away by the current, these are two.
The pontoon ferry is even easier to destroy, that's three.
And why such hemorrhoids, if you take care of the bridge, it's four.

[Elephant]

Quote: igorbrsv

Don't worry. It will be necessary to build a pontoon crossing. And the bridge is not bye-bye. It functions

It is worth worrying about and strengthening air defense. Now the bridge functions only for the passage of cars on one lane. The pontoon crossing in this area is technically difficult and also highly vulnerable, including builders with equipment

[Roma 1977]

And I will say now that the HIMARS MLRS is garbage and sucks. Well, that is, the usual high-quality high-precision system, which is not any kind of "wonder weapon", along with the notorious Javelin or Gepard ZSU. The problem is not the use of these MLRS by Ukraine, but the lack of a clear reaction to this from the RF Armed Forces. Although, the RF Armed Forces in their actions are clearly bound hand and foot by "political factors."

[Taimen]

By the way, the President, speaking to reporters in Iran, said that our troops had withdrawn from central Ukraine, probably he meant Kyiv, Sumy, Chernihiv) by agreement in Turkey at the talks in Istanbul. And we were told that it was a gesture of "good will ". And then he noted that Kyiv did not begin to fulfill the agreements. That is, they again deceived our" negotiators ". It follows that there are continuous agreements, hidden under the guise of" good will ". And we, stupid, are tearing each other's throats here. Traders they spit on everyone. So, do not be surprised at the "good will" if something is handed over or sold again.

[igorbrsv]

Our bridges are not bombed because we need them

[Roma 1977]

They won't fit. At the slightest chance of Russian capture of strategic bridges across the Dnieper, they will be blown up by the Ukrainians without hesitation.

[value]

The Ukrainians also have high-end anti-battery radars, and very accurate Western self-propelled howitzers. Therefore, it is unlikely that the systematic destruction of the bridge by means of artillery will turn out. This is where rockets come in.

[Sergey Fomin]

And the fact that there is no strike aircraft with targeted containers, gliding bombs and tactical missiles to destroy the HIMARS launchers - here, in general, the entire defense industry needs to be shot to hell. From defense, only third-rate armies play, which is the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

[Mavrikiy]

Armed forces of Ukraine strike Antonovsky bridge in Kherson for the second day in a row

Balbeci stop picking concrete, we made it strong, (adopted December 25, 1985) . Sleep well, otherwise the answer will fly.

[tralflot1832]

Photos of damage to the canvas from above do not give a real picture of the state of the bridge. It's like a power set of a ship's hull.

[flicker]

Damage to the canvas is generally a mere trifle, it is important that the supports and main beams are intact.
We can say that 12 extremely expensive Chimers missiles went into milk.

[Luenkov]

Is the connection with Europe also becoming a goal for Dill? Destroying the bridge is difficult and requires the strength of all the Nimers that remain! Forward! It's not for you to kill civilians at bus stations ...

[leks]

As I understand it, if this bridge collapses, and it is already recognized that it is in a critical situation, then Kherson will be cut off from the main forces of the Russian Federation. They are preparing Ukrainians along the way, an offensive on Kherson.

[Nastia makarova]

on boats and ferries only if the Kakhovka dam is damaged

[Roma 1977]

Zugzwang. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation without resistance give the initiative to a numerically superior enemy. The enemy's free choice of places and time of strikes is the first step to defeat.

[Leshak]

And we are all "shy" to hit the bridges. Anyway, ukrovermacht will destroy them.

[Anatoly Proskurin]

We did find some slack. And looking for a single Himars over hundreds of square kilometers with air defense running is not a trivial task. And even if it moves ... If you hid, at least you know the place, otherwise ...

[km-21]

According to my observations, the West is building up military pressure, and Russia is not taking any serious retaliatory action. The destruction of the Antonovsky bridge creates a catastrophic problem for Kherson and the entire right-bank grouping of Russia. And since protection from the Hymers was never found, further destruction of the crossing in Novaya Kakhovka and a complete blockade of the Russian group on the right bank are easily visible.

But it was precisely such a scenario that was not only predicted over the past few weeks, but also openly declared by Kyiv propagandists. I would like to ask a question to the Russian Ministry of Defense. And what are you doing there in Ukraine, if there are no prerequisites for victory in the five months of the war, and even vice versa, a turning point in favor of the West is very likely?

[donavi49]

Well, if the bridge will be hollowed out without much fear, then it is more difficult with the dam. She was not in a chic condition anyway, and if it turns out that she breaks through or there is an emergency discharge of 6-8 meters, she will be washed away very decently, the number of victims will be 10k+.

[Negro]

Quote: donavi49

or there will be an emergency discharge of 6-8 meters, then it will wash away very decently, the count of victims will be 10k+.

Come on. This is not the Hoover Dam. There, the entire backwater is a maximum of 16 meters and one hole does not mean an instant washout of the entire body of the dam. The flow rate will be comparable to an open spillway, the sea is very close, the water will leave Kherson very quickly. On the left bank near Kherson there is a large swampy floodplain, let it flood itself.

[value]

The General Staff initially incorrectly determined the main direction of the strike. All forces were directed to the most fortified area in the Donbass, but it was necessary to put pressure in the direction of Odessa, to expand the bridgehead on the right Bank of the Dnieper. If the bridge is destroyed, the delivery of fuel and ammunition will be very difficult. And again, as with Serpentine, we will hear about the "gesture of good will"

[km-21]

Quote from Valio

The General Staff initially incorrectly determined the main direction of the strike. All forces were directed to the most fortified area in the Donbass, but it was necessary to put pressure in the direction of Odessa, to expand the bridgehead on the right Bank of the Dnieper. If the bridge is destroyed, the delivery of fuel and ammunition will be very difficult. And again, as with Serpentine, we will hear about the "gesture of good will"

Yes, that would probably be right.

[Negro]

Quote from Valio

The General Staff initially incorrectly determined the main direction of the strike.

How do you determine what is right and what is wrong? Mr. Lavrov nonecha said that without 3 days, 5 months of the special military operation had passed - and its goals and objectives had not yet been determined.

[Nastia makarova]

there will be boats and ferries

[Al manah]

And hovercraft, yeah.

[ShM05]

The bridge has already been closed for heavy equipment, there is a video in Telegram from the head of the VGA, another such attack and it will have to be closed, the bridge in Novaya Kakhovka remains, I think it will be next and our group on that side will be left practically without logistics, only pontoon bridges remain. Hello to Kirill Ryabov who wrote articles here that khimars will not affect anything. Let the General Staff and the country's leadership continue to protect the bridges across the Dnieper, you will see that they will also strike the Crimean Bridge. Suckers are always bent in life.

[military_cat]

In Kakhovka, not just a bridge, but a hydroelectric dam. It is unlikely that they will demolish it, rather they will try to take control of any territory from which it is possible to control any section of the road from the hydroelectric power station to Kherson.

[ShM05]

You are right, through the dam, but there the throughput is much lower than through Antonovskiy, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already tried to strike at him too, they shook, but I think this is just a sighting. Will increase further. Look at our reaction too. Impunity breeds permissiveness.

[military_cat]

Along the way, I guessed yesterday that the goal was to destroy the bridge, so they will finish until they destroy

[Alexey-74]

The primary task is to cover the infrastructure with air defense systems and, of course, counter-battery combat, which means more forces and means. It is clear that the more we liberate the territory, the more these funds are needed, the more difficult the task.

[ivan2022]

Of course, they will eventually destroy our bridges. No need to go to grandma.

[kor1vet1974]

They want to return the "captured" territories, but they do everything to lose confidence in themselves. And this is how they act not only in the Kherson region, but in other areas.

[Roma 1977]

Abstract "trust" is worth nothing. Only military necessity matters, with which Russia has specific problems, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine have no such problems.

[leks]

Quote: ShM05

The bridge has already been closed for heavy equipment, there is a video in Telegram from the head of the VGA, another such attack and it will have to be closed, the bridge in Novaya Kakhovka remains, I think it will be next and our group on that side will be left practically without logistics, only pontoon bridges remain. Hello to Kirill Ryabov who wrote articles here that khimars will not affect anything. Let the General Staff and the country's leadership continue to protect the bridges across the Dnieper, you will see that they will also strike the Crimean Bridge. Suckers are always bent in life.

In general, I agree with you, everything you said was right!
But there is a question about the Crimean bridge, with what and how are they going to hit the Crimean bridge !?
There in a straight line from Nikolaev 400 km, from Kherson 330 km.
The Crimean bridge itself is a hefty structure that needs tons of explosives for something to happen to it!

[rocket757]

Armed forces of Ukraine strike Antonovsky bridge in Kherson for the second day in a row

. And what, Shoigu should visit / inspect the southern direction of the front ???

[Alexey Sommer]

Wasn't he there a couple of days ago?

[rocket757]

So I misunderstood something ... repetition, the mother of learning!

[Chronos]

The question is how damaged the bridge is. The experience of the Kursk region shows that a collapsed span is restored in three days. There is a bigger bridge here. And a potential weapon against the Hymars is strike UAVs. At least Orions - Pacers, already adopted. How is the three-shift plant doing there?
And I will note once again how quickly the mood here changes from jingoism and arrogance to doom and gloom. Although the situation on the LBS does not change dramatically. There will be a counteroffensive on Kherson, they are preparing for it, but they are also preparing for it. There is information about the transfer of our reserves. Hidden mobilization is underway. The main hubs for preparing the counteroffensive, Nikolaev and Odessa, are being calibrated every day. We will find out the result of all this in the fall.
Yes, and you can list the bridges across the Dnieper, which Smerch reaches.

[igorbrsv]

The bridge is intact. Closed for freight traffic only

[SovAr238A]

Quote: igorbrsv

The bridge is intact. Closed for freight traffic only

The bridge is completely closed to traffic.
At once.
After arrival.

[bk316]

How is the three-shift plant doing there?

Normally works in 3 shifts. You can go to work, there are a lot of vacancies.

[igorbrsv]

Why do we only have one shift?
And the little one is worth it

[bk316]

Where do you have it?

[igorbrsv]

This I cannot say. Volga region. Cartridge plant, small- and large-caliber ammunition

[bk316]

Well, so you compared Cartridges and UAVs.
There are hundreds of millions of cartridges in warehouses, and Orions are only a few, and the army needs hundreds. I'm not even talking about the fact that they are assembled like Rolls-Royces and not like Zhiguli, that is, it is not a conveyor in the classical sense.
In general, I think that production is production, and now we need to purchase a couple of hundred UAVs and close the problem in the near future.

[igorbrsv]

I agree. And we also have large-caliber shells. They work in one shift. And the little thing is generally worth it. They were spanked for the usa

[dnestr74]

Hmm, only mate, fatigue is already underway and emotions from these messages are atrophying.

[SerAp]

Pay attention to the accuracy of shooting? The manufacturers of missiles for Himars did not deceive, the spread is really quite small.

[Nastia makarova]

satellite coordinate guidance

[gromit]

About what Ukrainians 700 thousand have been mobilized and have been training for 4 months already - we know and do not deny. We also know and do not deny that they are being massively supplied with modern Western weapons.
But for some reason, it focuses on the statements of their politicians and propagandists that there are not enough weapons and the offensive will begin in the fall)
Although heavy shelling of supply lines is a classic sign.

[Aist_M]

It is necessary to throw a bimba at them, otherwise we will have another gesture of goodwill and mirror, asymmetric actions.

[igorbrsv]

That's just amateurish. We will send troops along them. They are taken under protection, not destroyed

[Nastia makarova]

only we are advancing and not Ukrainians

[Sergey Fomin]

Uh-huh, Kyiv, Sumy, Chernihiv regions were given to Ukrainians ... and the Russian guys died for what? For Istanbul-1? The shelling of Donetsk intensified many times after the "victories" of the RF Armed Forces...
We are waiting for new handouts for Kyiv after Istanbul-2.
Don't go to grandma...

[Nastia makarova]

what handouts? completely withdraw the troops?

[Sergey Fomin]

We'll see soon what will be handed over to the "partners", and the Antonovsky Bridge Ukrainians already smashed by Khimarsami

[Nastia makarova]

while the cars are still running

[Sergey Fomin]

https://t.me/rybar/35870

[barbiturate]

Rybar paints a bleak picture for us, by the way about Bayraktar, I thought why Ukrainians they are sent to slaughter, because this is an excellent means of reconnaissance with awesome Canadian cameras, so they started using them like that, as Rybar says. There is a video online with Bayraktars, when they saw everything perfectly from 50-70 km, outside the air defense zone, including the air defense systems in the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict.

[igorbrsv]

SBU activated

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Sergey Fomin

Air defense, which was considered a strong point of the post-Soviet army (it is difficult to call it Russian - there are no new platforms at all), turned out to be complete slag.

Ukrainians hammer GMLRS on the Antonovsky bridge. For one known purpose. No need to cover huge sections of the front. Cover one bridge. Interception probability 60% - release 3, 4, 5 missiles. Train. Look for exits. Do not give up.

No, they close, leave, endure. Because all the strengths of the RF Armed Forces turned out to be an empty place. As well as the strengths of the Russian Federation itself: we were told that maybe Russians live in poverty, maybe there is little freedom, but we know how to fight. We can't. Do you want how they fight better in Ukraine, taking into account the available resources.

We do.
It releases dozens of missiles, we shoot down half.
We manage to shoot down our own planes while repulsing an enemy fire raid.
Our air defense probably never worked out the massive use of missiles by the enemy.
When to fly both MLRS and OTR at the same time.
The systems are overloaded due to low channel, lack of homing, etc.
Therefore, such "gifts" arrive.

Although already many times even on this site they simply shouted out loud that there had never been in our air defense forces, exercises for overload.
The generals did not want a fiasco, they wanted a carbon monoxide force with a heresy about the superiority of our air defense over the whole world.
As a result, in reality, our air defense gets a fiasco over and over again.
The Tale of the Naked King, as I have been writing on this forum for almost 8 years now.

[Aist_M]

Maybe they're waiting for us to bring air defenses up to the bridge to destroy that too. Here you need to choose what is more important now.

[SovAr238A]

Quote from Aist_M

Maybe they're waiting for us to bring air defenses up to the bridge to destroy that too. Here you need to choose what is more important now.

So you admit that they have a tactical initiative and they lead us in the dance?
If we pull the air defense closer to protect the bridge, will they destroy the air defense just like near Lugansk, if we don’t pull it up, they will destroy the bridge, and then they will smash our cut off group?
Although they destroy this bridge, regardless of the presence of air defense?

In both cases, they have the initiative and in both cases we have huge problems and losses.

To be honest, I don’t understand at all what is going on in our General Staff and among our generals.
There is a complete degradation of military thought and military forecasting and planning.
These are not mistakes, this is complete incompetence..

[Aist_M]

I've been talking about this since mid-March. There are no goals, no tasks, much less consistent actions.
Not only militarily, but also politically and economically.

[Dikson]

"The economy must be economical..." - that's why they economized on training exercises too... they shot at plywood - that's all the training.

[Tagan]

Quote: Hoarfrost

Quote: Roma-1977

"Destroy the bridge" without destroying its supports - these are holes in the canvas, which are closed by the usual road service.

"Holes in the canvas" will end with the collapse of the bridge span.

The span of the bridge is easier to re-roll.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Tagan

Quote: Hoarfrost

Quote: Roma-1977

"Destroy the bridge" without destroying its supports - these are holes in the canvas, which are closed by the usual road service.

"Holes in the canvas" will end with the collapse of the bridge span.

The span of the bridge is easier to re-roll.

Do you know how long it takes to re-design a span beam?
How much does it cost to make a tooling for pouring it at the factory?
How long does it take to form a reinforcing cage under it?
And on the formwork, and in such structures it is steel, collapsible, very difficult.
How long does it take to fill?
Well, the fact that in less than 28 days the already formed span beam cannot be touched and put on an auto transporter.
Then, it must be transported by road train from the Urals approximately. It was from there that the beams for the Crimean bridge were transported, as now span beams are transported for the Samara flyover.

That is, from the moment the team is given, until the release of the first beam, at least 2 months, or even 3, will pass.
And such beams need a lot.
At least 5-6 pieces for one span of one side of the movement.
What if there are multiple passes?
Your agitation, in general, everyone’s eyes noticed, you don’t know anything in reality ...

[megadeth]

Yesterday it was not necessary to shout on all channels that 1 shell hit the bridge, another hit nearby, and the next day it arrived. That military correspondents do not understand which bridge is strategic ...?

[Roma 1977]

The accuracy of satellite guidance of missiles does not depend on the TV broadcasting grid.

[Two]

There is someone to whisper and call on hits! Hohloheds are everywhere!

[SovAr238A]

Quote: megadeth

Yesterday it was not necessary to shout on all channels that 1 shell hit the bridge, another hit nearby, and the next day it arrived. That military correspondents do not understand which bridge is strategic ...?

Are you really so short-sighted that you think TV and other media are to blame?
Means of objective control, in the form of satellite surveillance, of which dozens fly over a day and shoot and transmit in real time - don't you know? Not?
The population sympathizing with Ukraine - you don't know? Not?

How little you need in life, however.

[impostor]

Why not strengthen the object air defense there? And Mercury to adjust - not according to religion? Well, if a bridge is needed?

[Simple]

Judging by the photo, ammunition was used without a radio fuse, if about the Soviet
"Mercury-B".

[impostor]

Mercury-BM is working in the NWO zone, in April there was an article on VO. Maybe the Yankees and the GVMZ are on the m-26, but the OMS is with the Hymers on the GPS, the GPS has long been learned to put pressure on excellently, how did the Norgs nightmare the entire northern part of the country reset?
Or does it turn out that we are pushing GPS, since we ourselves actively use it?

[Simple]

Well, they disrupted the operation of the GPS receiver in the final section - what did it give - the guidance system continued to work on the inertial.
Maybe there is "Mercury-BM" - it's a sin not to put it, but from these ammunition this is not quite a solution.

[impostor]

I'm not talking about the terminal section of the trajectory, we are able to zero the GPS on a regional scale
Probably we still use GPS for military purposes, what do you think?

[Simple]

I think it’s better then to saturate the object air defense and, within a radius (more precisely, a sector) of 70 km, strengthen measures to search for these systems

[impostor]

Object definitely! Because they (non-brothers) shoot a bunch of false ones from a less effective one. The second is more difficult, we are waiting for Iranian gifts, as they say

[Simple]

They pecked at this bridge.

Search conditions are facilitated by this.
Due to the specifics of cross-country ability and the need for recharging, as well as max. speed on the highway, the ground, you can create a search algorithm.
There are no unsolvable problems.

[impostor]

Let's see the summary tomorrow

[John22]

Smoke would cover from satellites, since lasers cannot blind satellites!

[Two]

A day of operation of the TDA machine will cost the cost of repairing this bridge! But there are still other guidance systems that have a smoke screen on the drum ...

[Simple]

The GMLRS Mхх ammunition (they were used on the bridge by the Ukrainian Armed Forces) contains an inertial frame plus a GPS receiver.

[Two]

Especially! At least take a breath...

[Simple]

Basically I John22 answered.

The person after your answer and the minuses did not understand what was wrong.

[Two]

They lay down in a heap! I posted earlier that the khokhloheads were training! They are doing a sighting test! 2/3 of the two bags lay down in a heap! They will try to rake the dam at the hydroelectric power station with a heavy truck with ammonal, and then - the Crimean Bridge... And we are still chewing snot and looking into the reindeer herder's nostrils! Devotedly...

[Simple]

Maybe after the Iranian deal, they will start knocking out khimars and long-range artillery.

Set up badly.

[leks]

Quote: Dos

They lay down in a heap! I posted earlier that the khokhloheads were training! They are doing a sighting test! 2/3 of the two bags lay down in a heap! They will try to rake the dam at the hydroelectric power station with a heavy truck with ammonal, and then - the Crimean Bridge... And we are still chewing snot and looking into the reindeer herder's nostrils! Devotedly...

Question about the Crimean Bridge, why is everyone so harping on about it!? How and what Ukrainians will they attack it, from Nikolaev to the Crimean Bridge is 400 kilometers!? What missiles will reach it!? Khimars hits 300 km and won't even reach it, what else do they have with a range of more than 400 km? Purely hypothetically, even if Ukrainians were able to reach the Crimean Bridge - how many missiles would it take to collapse at least one span? Have you driven across this bridge, have you seen what a huge structure it is?

[Rudkovsky]

And who told you that the Crimean bridge is going to be attacked? Have you heard the word "disinformation"? If, against the backdrop of the hype, the Russian Armed Forces pulls air defense there, this is a success for Ukraine, because while air defense guards an ideologically important bridge in three layers, in other places missiles calmly blow up ideologically unimportant warehouses and positions.

[Aist_M]

And if they don't, they'll destroy the bridge. And then you will say, it was necessary to pull air defense there. So how do you order to act, comrade general?

[Rudkovsky]

What can you do, such is life. If there is no intelligence, all that remains is to pull air defense, focusing on the Internet and the ideological importance of this or that object. A dozen warehouses or barracks with drugs can be easily lost - they will bring new ones, it’s not scary, but even a speck of dust should not fall from the Crimean bridge.

[Negro]

Quote: leks

The question is about the Crimean bridge, why is everyone so upset about it!? With what and how will the Ukrainians attack him, from Nikolaev to the Crimean bridge 400 kilometers!?

The topic has been discussed in detail in other threads.

In order to get Kerch, tactical missiles of the MGM-140 family are needed, conventional M31 shells, which are 6 in a package, are not enough. And then there are two options.
1. With a massive strike, say 10 missiles with 200kg high-explosive warheads, try to disable the span. It's hard to say whether it will work or not, 400kg of Caliber warheads leave very convincing holes in buildings.
2. Since such an event is impossible without approval in Washington, Washington can not only agree, but also help - the manufacturer offers these missiles in an anti-bunker version, the warhead can go several meters deep into concrete. Even a single hit of such a thing on a support - and it hits well - can bring results.

As for the distance, then you need to look not from Kherson, but from Zaporozhye. The nearest point for now is Orekhov, 250 km.

[leks]

Quote: Negro

Quote: leks

The question is about the Crimean bridge, why is everyone so upset about it!? With what and how will the Ukrainians attack him, from Nikolaev to the Crimean bridge 400 kilometers!?

The topic has been discussed in detail in other threads.

In order to get Kerch, tactical missiles of the MGM-140 family are needed, conventional M31 shells, which are 6 in a package, are not enough. And then there are two options.
1. With a massive strike, say 10 missiles with 200kg high-explosive warheads, try to disable the span. It's hard to say whether it will work or not, 400kg of Caliber warheads leave very convincing holes in buildings.
2. Since such an event is impossible without approval in Washington, Washington can not only agree, but also help - the manufacturer offers these missiles in an anti-bunker version, the warhead can go several meters deep into concrete. Even a single hit of such a thing on a support - and it hits well - can bring results.

As for the distance, then you need to look not from Kherson, but from Zaporozhye. The nearest point for now is Orekhov, 250 km.

Thanks for the detailed answer!

[iouris]

For the second day in a row, they cannot destroy those who strike.

[wladomir]

In this message, the main point is that a long-range precision weapon has appeared near the outskirts !!! It follows that not only this bridge is under threat, but also rear services, logistics, command posts, and city life facilities. It is only we who show our nobility to someone, and they will not be shy. And they will have more and more such weapons.

[Chikua]

Air defense is clearly not coping.

[runway-1]

Here, many write about the work of our air defense. There is a buzz on the Internet about the destruction of the Radar station "Approach" near the village of Lazurnoye, Kherson region, with a phased array of all-round visibility and detection of air targets at low and extremely low altitudes in a difficult jamming environment ...

[Chikua]

Is it visible?

[Dikson]

Here it is, "the defeated, surrounded and destroyed army of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, consisting of untrained civilians and foreign mercenaries" ... what it is doing ... It flies at the nuclear power plant, then at Donetsk, then at the bridge ... and so densely ... five months ... What do we have there after smoothing out, leveling, half-envelopments and gestures of goodwill? It is obvious that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will strike Kherson. And about our bombing of bridges across the Dnieper, and other nodes and connections from Ukraine to Poland ... - as soon as we destroy them, Ukraine will declare a disaster and humanitarian catastrophe at the UN, blue helmets and NATO will proudly enter Kyiv ... Yes, actually, the pathos needs to be turned down for three months already. - The SVO has stalled. This is normal, with such support from the West. The States, Poland, Great Britain, and now Germany... "instructors and specialists" sit at the consoles and sights, at the levers, and soon there will be those sitting at the controls of airplanes... and we have found a courteous term - "geographical changes..." Just like in the movie DMB?

[Rudkovsky]

No one fired at the nuclear power plant, they destroyed the canteen with manpower inside, not far from the nuclear power plant, but nothing more.

[Two]

Alas! But diplomatic tambourines are louder and more important! Well, wrinkled threats - "to leave unanswered", apparently diplomatic ...

[Tagan]

Quote: SovAr238A

Quote: Tagan

Quote: Hoarfrost

Quote: Roma-1977

"Destroy the bridge" without destroying its supports - these are holes in the canvas, which are closed by the usual road service.

"Holes in the canvas" will end with the collapse of the bridge span.

The span of the bridge is easier to re-roll.

Do you know how long it takes to re-design a span beam?
How much does it cost to make a tooling for pouring it at the factory?
How long does it take to form a reinforcing cage under it?
And on the formwork, and in such structures it is steel, collapsible, very difficult.
How long does it take to fill?
Well, the fact that in less than 28 days the already formed span beam cannot be touched and put on an auto transporter.
Then, it must be transported by road train from the Urals approximately. It was from there that the beams for the Crimean bridge were transported, as now span beams are transported for the Samara flyover.

That is, from the moment the team is given, until the release of the first beam, at least 2 months, or even 3, will pass.
And such beams need a lot.
At least 5-6 pieces for one span of one side of the movement.
What if there are multiple passes?
Your agitation, in general, everyone’s eyes noticed, you don’t know anything in reality ...

What if there are multiple supports?
What are you talking about? And here some "agitation"? And what is better than your constant crying in this case?
Listen, multi-stationer, you think too highly of yourself. And, apparently, it's not for you to judge reality.
You've covered everything beautifully here. But your trouble is that you don’t understand the essence of what is written.
If the support leaves, then more than one single span suffers. And in this case, we have damage to the support and several spans. Will you argue with this?

[flicker]

For the second day in a row, Ukrainian armed formations have been attacking the Antonovsky bridge in Kherson, which connects the city with the left bank of the Dnieper. According to the Kherson VGA, the shelling was carried out with the help of the HIMARS MLRS, there are hits in the bridge deck

For two days they hammer, spend extremely expensive HIMARS missiles and still nothing. And the damaged spans (the supports are unharmed) will be restored quickly enough.