M270 MLRS in Ukraine. Another dubious help

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US Army M270


After several months of waiting and requests, the Ukrainian army began to receive M270 MLRS multiple rocket launchers. American-made equipment will come from several countries, in limited quantities and with an incomplete range of ammunition. Nevertheless, the Kyiv regime again places high hopes on the imported novelty. And again, it is obvious that they will not be justified, and the resulting technique will face an unenviable fate.



Forgeries and disputes


Since the end of February, Kyiv has been demanding that it be provided with modern rocket artillery, such as the M270 or M142 MLRS. However, for a couple of months, foreign partners actually ignored this. The situation began to change only at the end of April, when work began on a new Lend-Lease program in the United States.

Against the backdrop of these events, curious news. At the end of April, the Ukrainian media reported that the first M270 installation had already arrived in Ukraine and even got to the front. However, no confirmation followed, and then it became clear that this information was not true. In fact, it was another lie from propagandists to "raise the spirit."


Ammunition loading

While the Kyiv regime was wishful thinking, the United States and allies were deciding whether it could transfer modern MLRS. In mid-May, it became known that Washington did not want to share such equipment. The American leadership feared that Ukraine would use it to strike Russian territory, and this would lead to undesirable consequences and risks for the United States.

Real measures


However, by the end of the month the situation had changed. Washington took a promise from Kyiv not to shoot at Russian territory, and this opened the possibility for the transfer of MLRS. The US decided to send newer M142 HIMARS to Ukraine, while NATO allies were to provide M270 MLRS products.

On June 1, it became known from the German media that the Bundeswehr would provide four MARS II systems as assistance - the German version of the M270 modernization with some changes and limitations. The delivery of military vehicles and missiles was planned before the end of the month. At the same time, it was not specified what ammunition and in what quantity would be shipped.

At the same time, it was reported that Great Britain turned to the United States with a request to re-export its M270B1 MLRS to Ukraine. The number of vehicles transferred was not reported, but it was noted that it is comparable with assistance from other countries. It soon became known that we were talking about only three or four MLRS with an unspecified stock of missiles.


Empty launcher

In the last days of June, Norway decided to join the M270 suppliers for Ukraine. She allocated three MLRS from storage for these purposes. At the same time, it was not a direct delivery that was offered, but assistance under a more complex scheme. Three Norwegian installations should go to the UK, which will later repair them, modernize them and keep them. At the same time, the British side will transfer to Ukraine three M270B1 from its units.

First batch


On July 15, the Ukrainian Minister of Defense, in an interview for the foreign press, said that the first M270 vehicles had already arrived in the country. These are three installations from the UK. The arrival of the next batches of equipment is also expected. Terms of receipt of new machines are not reported. Plans for the supply of ammunition are also not specified.

It should be noted that the delivery of the British M270 has not yet been confirmed. It is known about it only from the words of the Ukrainian minister, and photo or video materials that can become evidence have not yet been published. In addition, there are no reports of the appearance of MLRS in the war zone. Accordingly, the allied forces have not yet had the opportunity to knock out or take such a sample as a trophy.

New imported equipment has not yet participated in the battles, but its use can begin at any moment. At the same time, it should be expected that these episodes will not receive much coverage from the Ukrainian side. At the moment, there is a real campaign to advertise the modern HIMARS MLRS, and in such a situation, the older M270 cannot count on special attention.

M270 MLRS in Ukraine. Another dubious help

MLRS/GMLRS rocket launch

Technical potential


MLRS M270 MLRS is a fairly old model. The first modification of this system entered service with the US Army back in 1983. However, in the future, the combat vehicle underwent various upgrades, and new rockets and missiles were also created. All this ensured the growth of tactical and technical characteristics and compliance with changing requirements.

The M270 is a tracked combat vehicle with an armored cab with high off-road mobility. The chassis carries a launcher for rockets with the possibility of guidance in two planes. The installation accommodates two unified transport and launch containers with ammunition guides. The TPK can accommodate six 227-mm salvo rockets or one operational-tactical ATACMS. The replacement of the container is carried out using its own lifting device on the launcher.

Depending on the modification, MLRS receive different fire control systems, but their composition and functions are the same. They include a digital computer that calculates the trajectories of various ammunition, a satellite navigation system, tactical information exchange tools, etc. However, there are some differences. Thus, the American M270A1 / A2 is capable of using all existing ammunition, and the German MARS II at the LMS level is not compatible with missiles carrying cluster warheads.

The main ammunition for the M270 is the GMLRS family of rockets. Products M30 and M31 of various modifications fly to a distance of 70-90 km and carry warheads of various types - cartridges with fragmentation or cumulative fragmentation submunitions, or single-block high-explosive fragmentation charges. The missiles are equipped with inertial and satellite navigation to improve the accuracy of hits.


Product launch ATACMS

Also, MLRS is a launcher for operational-tactical missiles of the ATACMS family. There were six versions of this weapons with different features and characteristics. The most advanced missiles of the family have a firing range of up to 300 km and use inertial and satellite navigation. Various warheads were used, from high-explosive monoblocks weighing 227 kg to 275-950 fragmentation submunitions.

MLRS M270 MLRS has a number of important features and advantages. So, the caterpillar chassis gives high cross-country ability on different landscapes. The launcher and SLA ensure the use of a wide range of ammunition. Due to this, one machine can solve combat missions typical for rocket artillery and for OTRK. As a result, there is no need to develop two separate complexes. It should be noted that the M270, unlike the newer M142 MLRS, carries two TPKs and, accordingly, has twice as much ammunition ready for launch.

New threat


In the near future, at least three M270B1s may appear in the combat zone and carry out the first combat launches under the control of Ukrainian crews. In the future, another 7-8 launchers are expected to appear. Deliveries of various types of ammunition also begin. So far, we are talking only about GMLRS guided missiles, but the Kyiv regime may also receive ATACMS missiles.

Predicting the results of the appearance of the MLRS MLRS is quite simple. Ukraine has already received several similar HIMARS and uses them at the front. It can be assumed that the use of the M270 will not be fundamentally different, and the two systems will show generally similar results, and the differences in design will not have a noticeable effect.


German MLRS MARS II

In recent weeks, practice has clearly demonstrated that the GMLRS family of missiles do indeed have high range and accuracy characteristics - and therefore pose a danger. However, flying along a ballistic trajectory with minimal deviations makes them not the most difficult target for military air defense. As is the case with other MLRS, most of the shells are knocked down in flight and do not reach their targets.

However, there is another problem. Ukrainian formations use their MLRS against settlements and their inhabitants. During salvo firing at such a “target”, any missile that breaks through causes serious damage and takes lives. In this cannibalistic way, the Kyiv regime is trying to compensate for the limited combat capabilities of a few foreign weapons.

However, this is followed by retribution. The self-propelled chassis increases the mobility and survivability of the MLRS, but does not exclude its detection and subsequent destruction. Our troops have repeatedly demonstrated their ability to find and destroy enemy combat vehicles. From the point of view of detection and destruction, the M270 does not fundamentally differ from other MLRS of the Ukrainian army - and has the same prospects.

Questionable benefit


Thus, once again you can observe the already familiar scenario with a predictable continuation. The Kyiv regime begged for modern weapons and even tried to wishful thinking. However, it was possible to obtain new equipment only after a few months, in limited quantities and with incomplete capabilities.

Obviously, now the Ukrainian formations will try to use their new M270 MLRS - as before, against cities and civilians. Obviously, this will not change the situation at the front in any way and will not allow any success to be achieved. But then the newly received equipment will be discovered and knocked out, taken as a trophy, or even bought out. And for the sake of all this, the United States, Great Britain and Germany are sacrificing the materiel of their own armies.
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  1. +27
    20 July 2022 04: 56
    "Obviously, this will not change the situation at the front in any way and will not allow any success to be achieved" - every blown up ammunition depot, damaged battery, command post, bridge, in the end, can lead to tactical failures, and as they accumulate - and to operational. So about "will not change" it is bold. If it changes, it will lead to additional human and material sacrifices on our part. And also to a decrease in morale in the territories on which shelling is underway. And this is in addition to the same Kherson, where the population fluctuates, in addition to the shelling of Donetsk, there are also strikes on the territory of Russia. The fact that we are not able to effectively intercept these supplies and stop them before they reach the front is sad. The fact that they showed "gestures of good will" (for various reasons), thereby creating opportunities for shelling - too.
    1. 0
      20 July 2022 05: 14
      Quote: ratcatcher
      The fact that we are not able to effectively intercept these supplies and stop them before they reach the front is sad. What they showed "gestures of good will" (for various reasons), thereby creating opportunities for shelling - too.
      No more idiotic questioning! angry Combat operations are going on and .... - Let me not use a grenade launcher, but a sledgehammer? "Ah, be kind."
    2. -8
      20 July 2022 07: 01
      M270B1 may appear in the combat zone and carry out the first combat launches under Department of Ukrainian Settlements.

      I doubt that the Ukrainians will be trusted to operate the equipment.
      Unless security functions, and secondary roles
      1. -1
        20 July 2022 19: 12
        As in the case of howitzers 777

    3. +26
      20 July 2022 08: 27
      Cyril, I understand the task of the editors to write a devastating article, but let's be objective. The questionable benefit of arms deliveries will be only when at least 97 percent of these weapons are destroyed before their first use. And, since the MLRS are constantly shelling civilian infrastructure, and the civilian population, no matter how blasphemous it sounds, but alas, there are benefits from weapons!
      1. +14
        20 July 2022 09: 05
        and in the same way, everyone understands what they write about "civilian infrastructure and the civilian population", but this does not make it easier for saltpeter warehouses
    4. +7
      20 July 2022 13: 50
      Quote: ratcatcher
      every blown up ammunition depot, hit battery, command post, bridge, in the end, can lead to tactical failures, and as they accumulate

      Not only. So far, one Hymars battery has been forced to wander between the Kherson and Donetsk directions. And she showed herself quite convincingly. There are now three incomplete M270 batteries coming in, plus there have been reports of another M142 battery from Joe. This will create pressure in all directions at the same time: Kharkiv region, Donbass, Melitopol and Kherson. Or to concentrate equipment for work no longer against logistics hubs, but against more numerous targets: primarily cannon and rocket artillery (for which the M270 was originally made).
      1. 0
        23 July 2022 23: 19
        For fellow "generals and officers" of the site, that is, "sofa experts":
        the effectiveness of the HIMARS complex is a little far-fetched and inflated, primarily by the Ukrainian CIPSO, and our clowns and experts passionately help fan the fire of fear and panic.
        Yes, there are accurate hits and certain problems, we must pay tribute to the accuracy of the missiles.
        Yesterday an artilleryman (I serve) came into the office and my colleague asked: why are the Haimars so terrible? Is it all gone? (he is from your cohort). So this is what the officer who took part in the operation answered:
        - so when they hit, they first launch "Hurricanes" and other crap to load the air defense, and then they launch the Hymars. And do not forget that the Americans see all the ins and outs through satellites. In addition, our units are often based where the Ukrainian units and other objects were, so the coordinates for the strike are quite known ...
        That's all. By the way, when the air defense was strengthened near the Antonovsky Bridge and the blow of the vaunted Khaimars was in vain. Something like this
        1. +1
          24 July 2022 06: 38
          Quote: koramax81
          the effectiveness of the "HIMARS" complex is a little far-fetched

          Conventional tactical missile system.
          Quote: koramax81
          first they launch "Hurricanes" and other crap to load the air defense, and then they launch the Hymars

          Wow. Brains appeared, half a year has not passed.
          Quote: koramax81
          By the way, when they strengthened the air defense near the Antonovsky bridge

          Therefore, for an air defense overload, not two packages are needed, but four. If you are not greedy, then you can take out the shells with six packages too.

          By the way, about the blow that went in vain, we are told by the same Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, which destroyed all the Hymars.
          1. 0
            24 July 2022 16: 24
            they tell you, but I see
    5. +18
      20 July 2022 17: 13
      We are waiting for an article with the title: "The appearance of F 15, F 16 aircraft in Ukraine will not change anything."
      1. kig
        +3
        21 July 2022 05: 09
        Dear editor! Maybe it's better - about the reactor? About your favorite lunar tractor?
      2. 0
        22 July 2022 15: 23
        *some time later* Ukraine's nuclear weapons will absolutely and absolutely not change anything.
    6. +3
      21 July 2022 17: 12
      Quote: ratcatcher
      So about "will not change" it's bold.

      They recently wrote here about the defeat of the bridge across the Dnieper in Kherson and the covering of our radar station. And also about the defeat of the command post. Keep denying.
  2. +9
    20 July 2022 07: 43
    These installations are dangerous because they have a double volley. And he (volley) is able to break through not very dense air defense. On the other hand, tracked vehicles have a lower travel speed. They will not be able to leave the place of the volley so quickly, even along the highway ...
    1. +10
      20 July 2022 13: 29
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      tracked vehicles have a lower travel speed. They will not be able to leave the place of the volley so quickly, even along the highway ...

      60 + km / h versus 80. The time to collapse is about the same.
      1. -2
        20 July 2022 14: 32
        Quote: Negro
        60 + km / h versus 80. The time to collapse is approximately the same

        Do they have a running resource at such a speed? But there is nowhere to repair them and there is nothing! So ... let them drive.
        1. +8
          20 July 2022 15: 12
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          But there is nowhere to repair them and there is nothing!

          This touching concern for the state of the rear of the Armed Forces of Ukraine always touches.
  3. +17
    20 July 2022 07: 45
    Crap ! Another article by Ryabov on the motive: "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise ..."! Yes, only in that "motive" not only "the horse died", in the end! In a special operation in Ukraine, the VSR faced the same problems in terms of air defense as the United States in a showdown with Iraq in the 90s! It turned out that HE warheads of anti-aircraft missiles are far from being effective enough to successfully repel enemy missile attacks! In addition, HE warheads of missiles can be dangerous for the side that launched them to repel a missile attack! What forced the shtatovites to take action ... and they took them! They began to improve their air defense (ABM) based on the concept of "hit-to-kill"! It is believed that this concept implements the principle of "direct" (contact) engagement of air targets with a kinetic strike without the use of explosives! Although there may be "nuances"! Explosives can be used in special cumulative and penetrating ("semi-armor-piercing") charges in compliance with the principle of contact damage ... but this is just a "nuance"! The "hit-to-kill" principle allowed the US troops to have weapons with new performance characteristics! Having a "small-sized" warhead, it became possible to "sophisticate" in improving the engine and missile control system ... even in methods of aiming a weapon at a target, in the "former" dimensions or smaller! (That is, without "disintegrating" the enemy's missile to a "many" debris, changing its flight path ... as if in the "right direction"!) Also, the "small size" of the missile defense system allows you to create the most multiply charged launchers (SAM), which makes it difficult to the enemy the possibility of "glut" the air defense of the "opponent"! I won’t say that everything the Americans planned was implemented, but work in these areas continues, and they have missiles "on the principle" "hit-to-kill"! But in Russia ? Weren't they "smoking a hookah" in the Moscow Region, watching the "attempts" of the American military-industrial complex? Who will say what kind of missiles that implement the principle of contact kinetic destruction are there in the Russian Federation? (Just don't poke zur 9M96 at me!)
    1. +4
      21 July 2022 09: 14
      Another article by Ryabov on the motive: "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise ..."!

      Ryabov is nothing, his "cooking" is endless.
      I have an impression: his ACC is sold or hacked by artificial intelligence (generation 1 - -) and now AI is riveting articles
  4. -16
    20 July 2022 10: 18
    Our design bureaus and NGOs welcome any gifts from the West. Fank you varimach hi
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  6. +7
    20 July 2022 10: 31
    A strange article, even for quite servile Z channels like RSOM, Murza and Strelkov, it bakes strongly from chimars and the impossibility of air defense to intercept them
  7. +18
    20 July 2022 11: 00
    When will the authors of such posts be punished? It actually misleads readers. There was an article about himars exactly the same that these MLRS do not pose a threat, air defense can easily cope, but two dozen warehouses have already been destroyed by these systems, I am silent about headquarters, etc., unlike warehouses where detonation goes on for almost a day and cannot be hidden in the 21st century, about the losses of the headquarters are all silent, hiding. Because of these systems, in a panic, we have already shot down two of our aircraft, the day before yesterday the Su-34 and yesterday the Su-35. They are hitting the Antonovsky bridge, the bridge is already full of holes, but as many say that this was a shooting, they will continue to hit until they are put out of action, then our group in Kherson will be almost without supplies. And yesterday's statement by Putin in Tehran that we will facilitate the export of grain from Ukraine, for which the Ukrainians will receive money and buy weapons that will kill our soldiers, if this is not treason and sabotage, how else to call it?
    1. -2
      20 July 2022 16: 42
      everyone is silent about the loss of headquarters, they hide it.

      If they are silent and hide, how did you find out about them?
    2. +1
      21 July 2022 09: 16
      Will not. He will also be encouraged by ₽. And not only for the number of characters.
      There have always been bastards and very often they are on the “horse” during the war
  8. +11
    20 July 2022 11: 27
    The author is clearly in some other parallel reality.
    1. +13
      20 July 2022 13: 31
      The author writes the series "Little, late, useless". It’s already hard for him, and here you are with your jokes.
  9. +16
    20 July 2022 11: 39
    How do two narratives get along at the same time?
    1. We are practically at war with NATO, they are pumping weapons into Ukraine, and this is a colossal threat to the Russian Federation, so much so that we had to start a special operation with a military invasion and occupation with almost the majority of cash.
    2. All deliveries of weapons by the West are negligible and are not capable of fundamentally changing the situation at the front. The weapons are old, there are few of them, the training of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is bad. Weapons are sold, lost, broken, destroyed and captured by the enemy.
    The front is practically not moving, because the RF Armed Forces are fighting with all available means too mercifully and compassionately, allowing the West to "pump Ukraine with more and more modern weapons", while the purpose of the special operation is precisely "demilitarization", i.e. ridding Ukraine of weapons? Demilitarization, judging by Konashenkov, is galloping by leaps and bounds, it turns out, really, "pumping with weapons" is not worth a damn, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will soon be blown away? Then why is the front standing still? I'm completely confused, help!
  10. +5
    20 July 2022 12: 06
    The author demonstrates a very touching concern for the materiel of NATO countries)
  11. +9
    20 July 2022 12: 51
    Another hurray article from Ryabov ...
  12. +4
    20 July 2022 13: 37
    Deliveries go by rail... And there is no impact on it.
  13. +9
    20 July 2022 15: 16
    And what else does Ryabov write here? I thought he had been smashing all US equipment on the federal channel for a long time, still on the way. Surprised lol
    1. +6
      20 July 2022 20: 36
      There is a strong competitor in the face of Konashenkov)
  14. +13
    20 July 2022 16: 10
    Thank you for the article. And then after reports of the destruction of warehouses in the rear and the Antonovsky bridge near Kherson, I began to get nervous. Now I can be calm.
  15. +6
    20 July 2022 16: 27
    About 10 Himars have already radically changed the situation. Occupation troops really do not have enough ammunition and fuel because of the battered warehouses. Why are you deceiving people?
    1. -1
      21 July 2022 17: 17
      Quote: Jamal Tagiev
      Occupation troops really do not have enough ammunition and fuel

      Where did Jamal come from? Maybe you will maintain order in your Kyrgyzstan? We will figure it out somehow without you.
  16. +5
    20 July 2022 20: 05
    the only bridge across the Dnieper was destroyed with the help of this useless MLRS .....
  17. +8
    20 July 2022 20: 10
    I watch tactical complexes for throwing caps are not eradicated with us sad
  18. +6
    20 July 2022 20: 16
    only now the author forgets that in addition to the MLRS, this installation can fire ATACMS missiles, and no one will guarantee that tomorrow Ukraine will not be supplied with missiles of a new version - PrSM (for the same tests), which has a range of 500 km, or even 700 - 750km...
  19. kig
    +8
    21 July 2022 03: 18
    It is very pleasing that
    Obviously, this will not change the situation at the front in any way and will not allow any success to be achieved.
    , yes, only the word "obviously" confuses. No matter how it means "an introductory word expressing the possibility or admissibility of something and corresponding in meaning to the words: probably, probably, apparently." Meanwhile, the Military Informant in his telegram publishes a picture of the bridge across the Dnieper near Kherson after being hit by HIMARS


    Obviously the bridge is damaged. It is obvious that you cannot shoot down all missiles. Obviously, the APU will continue to try to destroy important bridges and other important structures. Obviously, this will affect the situation on the fronts. And the word "obviously" in this case means "an introductory word expressing a confident statement."
    1. 0
      21 July 2022 17: 19
      Quote: kig
      It is very pleasing that
      Obviously, this will not change the situation at the front in any way and will not allow any success to be achieved.
      , yes, only the word "obviously" confuses. No matter how it means "an introductory word expressing the possibility or admissibility of something and corresponding in meaning to the words: probably, probably, apparently." Meanwhile, the Military Informant in his telegram publishes a picture of the bridge across the Dnieper near Kherson after being hit by HIMARS


      Obviously the bridge is damaged. It is obvious that you cannot shoot down all missiles. Obviously, the APU will continue to try to destroy important bridges and other important structures. Obviously, this will affect the situation on the fronts. And the word "obviously" in this case means "an introductory word expressing a confident statement."

      It's just time to move from words to deeds. Otherwise, there will be no end to this operation
  20. +5
    21 July 2022 04: 50
    If it's so obvious to the author, then why shouldn't he spend the night in an ammunition depot somewhere in Donetsk.
  21. 0
    21 July 2022 17: 49
    Questionable benefit

    Thus, once again one can observe the already familiar scenario with a predictable continuation.
    Yes, of course, of course, everything is as usual! Only in reality, high-precision weapons are used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine quite effectively and for specific targets, and not for areas ...
  22. 0
    22 July 2022 06: 07
    What optimistic statements and conclusions in the article ... Ukrainians and their allies will advertise this technique in such a way that mom does not cry. Moreover, they will use it without being embarrassed by the nomenclature of goals. But we are talking about units of new technology, not even dozens ...
  23. UFO
    0
    22 July 2022 09: 57
    You can stop the supply of weapons to Ukraine if you create a threat to suppliers through refugees, mercenaries, etc., who today are controlled by the American club of hunger, but should be controlled by Putin's intercepted food club. The disarmed then will not give up the last.


    turn
  24. 0
    24 August 2022 15: 34
    Iranian "shaheeds" will appear in our country, Chimeras on a caterpillar chassis will immediately be knocked out, and then - the remnants of wheeled ones ...
  25. 0
    28 August 2022 07: 00
    It won't change the situation there, it won't change the situation here... It's ridiculous to read. Why deceive yourself? If it were not for Western supplies, it is still unknown where this war would have stood. Perhaps already in kueva.
  26. 0
    30 September 2022 14: 12
    Something is written too optimistically - dubious benefits, relatively old technology, etc.
    Each munition that has reached the target has already benefited from the point of view of the enemy. And they achieve their goals very accurately and often, I must admit ...
    The doubtful use of technology will be when it does not reach the front or is quickly discovered and destroyed. But while this is a problem...