"The Gerasimov Doctrine", or why Russia does not respond to the shelling of cities

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Chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces Valery Gerasimov. Source: kremlin.ru

Rules of the special operation "Z"


In 2013, Valery Gerasimov, Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, published the text "The Value of Science in Foresight", in which he outlined the contours of future military conflicts. Then the world lives under the impression of “color revolutions”, and less than a year later another Maidan will take place, which will turn everything upside down. The theses voiced by the Chief of the General Staff turned out to be so resonant that abroad the article was immediately dubbed the “Gerasimov Doctrine”. Later, one of the analysts - Mark Galeotti - even apologized for creating a new term. Probably due to the fact that in the material the head of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces speaks mainly of a defensive strategy. For example, there are such words about the organization of territorial defense:

“The protection of the population, facilities and communications from the actions of enemy special operations forces in the context of an increase in the scale of their use is of particular relevance in modern conflicts. The solution of this problem is envisaged by the organization and conduct of territorial defense.

Since then, the term "Gerasimov's doctrine" has been firmly entrenched, and the author himself has been appointed the main ideologist of Russia's military strategy. However, it would be surprising if the Chief of the General Staff stepped aside from creating such a serious document. “The value of science in foresight” is actually a handbook for the leadership of the NMD in Ukraine, which answers the main questions: why has the army not yet “begun to act in earnest” and why is there no retaliation for the barbaric attacks on the cities of Russia and Donbass?



The vision of the Chief of the General Staff of the armed conflict from 2013 surprisingly coincides with the initial stage of the special operation in Ukraine. Among the main features of a new type of war, Gerasimov singled out: the beginning of hostilities by a grouping of peacetime troops, the highly maneuverable nature of the offensive, the defeat of critical enemy targets in a short time, the massive use of high-precision weapons and special operations forces, as well as strikes against the enemy throughout the depth of his territory. An external observer will 100% recognize by these signs the Russian special operation for denazification and demilitarization. By the way, in Gerasimov's concept, the armed forces are presented only as a peacekeeping contingent:

“In addition, the complex and multifaceted tasks of peacekeeping, which may have to be solved by regular troops, imply the creation of a fundamentally different system for their training. After all, the task of the peacekeeping forces is to separate the conflicting parties, protect and save the civilian population, help reduce the potential for hostility and establish a peaceful life.”

But that's not all. A new type of armed conflict must be accompanied by massive political, economic and diplomatic work. Which we also observed up to the withdrawal of our troops from the north of Ukraine, which was presented as a “goodwill gesture”. The developers of the doctrine paid special attention to working with the population in enemy territory, especially with the leadership. Unfortunately, in the case of Ukraine, we have to admit that this card played only in the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions. In all other regions, the allied forces encountered fairly organized resistance. It can be said that here the nationalists of Ukraine started everything in earnest.

It is worth noting that in Gerasimov's description of the new conflict there is not a word about the territory, which, to one degree or another, comes under the control of the Russian army. Everyone remembers how the informed public resented the absence of a military-civilian administration on the liberated lands? So, this fact fit into the concept of a new type of armed conflict, designated by Valery Gerasimov. If the land becomes Russian, then only through a popular referendum. It should be noted that the doctrine of a new war was successfully tested in 2014 on the example of the bloodless return of Crimea and, much later, the military-diplomatic settlement of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict. Recall that the conflict of a new generation is a strictly coordinated work of the armed forces, diplomacy, politicians and financiers. It is important that even armies in this stories not always given the first role. That's right - at the first stages of the operation, the fate of Ukraine could not be decided on the battlefield.

Second stage hybrid


The fact that the doctrine failed became clear after the withdrawal of the Russian army from the northern regions of Ukraine. The point of no return was the staging in Bucha, when the army was falsely accused of war crimes. Obviously, during this period, the military machine of the Russian army began to turn on the rails of a traditional armed conflict. It would seem that the games with the wars of the new "hybrid" type are over, it is time for the army to take the reins of government. There is no time for a diplomatic settlement here, and political arguments from the Kremlin are already being heard in a new, much tougher rhetoric.

Valery Gerasimov highlights the following distinguishing features of a classic military confrontation: strategic deployment of troops, frontal clash of large groups, defeat of the enemy’s manpower and firepower, successive capture of lines and areas in order to control the territory, as well as the defeat of the enemy and the destruction of his economic potential. Special operation “Z” at the second stage retained one hallmark of the new generation of conflict - strikes with precision weapons deep into the territory. If we follow this logic, Russia has not yet fully realized itself as part of a special operation in the classical sense, and the actions of the allied forces are now as if in limbo.

On the one hand, we are no longer talking about a hybrid conflict (diplomats are silent - guns are talking), on the other hand, it is too early to talk about a full-scale military operation. No, of course, at the operational-tactical level, everything is in order - no one regrets the nationalists, as at the first stage. All calibers are used, from 5,45 mm to Iskanders. Civil-military administrations have been formed and are functioning in the liberated territories.


One of the Ukrainian decision-making centers. Source: dic.academic.ru

But at the strategic level, the General Staff, it seems, is still operating according to the paradigms of the “Gerasimov Doctrine”. And here there can be two explanations why Russia does not take revenge for the shelling of civilians in Donbass and Russia. First, strikes on decision-making centers are seen as the last trump card of Russia's military-political leadership. Of course, the last trump card in the framework of the conventional conduct of hostilities. If so, then the time has not yet come for strikes. The second explanation is that the country's leadership still hopes to return to the discussion of a new peace settlement. Naturally, under new conditions, in which, in addition to demilitarization and denazification, the liberated territories already appear as part of Russia.

Rocket strikes on Bankova (Zelensky's office) and Povitroflotska (Ukraine's Ministry of Defense) could indeed decapitate the Kyiv regime. What can this lead to? Here the situation is completely unpredictable - from a full-fledged civil war in Ukraine to the introduction of a "peacekeeping" NATO contingent. It can be said for sure that Russia now needs Zelensky and his henchmen alive. First of all, they listen well to Western puppeteers, for whom hard times are coming. Winter ahead, high energy prices and a food crisis. Sooner or later, this will force the sponsors of the Kyiv regime to put pressure, and Zelensky will sign a peace agreement. What if he doesn't sign? Vladimir Putin was very transparent about this when he said that

“Russia hasn’t started anything in earnest yet in Ukraine.”

By the way, the press secretary of the President Dmitry Peskov explained for those who are especially dull:

“The head of state just appealed to those statements that are heard from Western countries and from Kyiv that, they say, Kyiv will move on the battlefield until victory. Here Putin, therefore, simply recalled that a) the potentials are completely incommensurable; b) Russia's potential is so great in this regard that only a small part of it is now being used in the course of a special military operation.
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  1. Cat
    +181
    12 July 2022 04: 02
    It is clear that nothing is clear.
    And not only from the article, but in general: apparently, I belong to the category of people to whom Peskov is forced to explain the words of VVP - he probably understands them better.
    If “we didn’t even start”, then what is happening now and when will we start? And will we start at all? Why does the General Staff follow a doctrine that doesn't work?
    It seems that Russia is fighting with the middle finger of its left hand, all the while waiting for some mysterious event - either NATO should be ashamed and ask for forgiveness, or China should attack Formosa and grapple with the United States, or reptilians capture Washington or some other global perdimonocle.
    In short, take pity on the intellectual cripple - explain whoever can crying
    1. +27
      12 July 2022 05: 53
      Quote: Gato
      should be ashamed and ask for a pardon, ... or some other global perdimonocle.crying

      well written! I love comments like this
    2. +22
      12 July 2022 06: 36
      The explanation is very simple: this is not a struggle for territory and resources, but for the minds and souls of people. Ukrainian Nazism can be defeated in only one way - to turn the entire population of Ukraine against it. Not in words, but in deeds, to convince that the government in Ukraine is absolutely false, absolutely puppet and absolutely Nazi. For which the state of the Anglo-Saxon slaves is above all, including their own people. There are no other options.
      1. +73
        12 July 2022 08: 16
        Quote: Pavel73
        this is a struggle not for territory and resources, but for the minds and souls of people

        Tell me, please, do you notice that the effect is strictly the opposite?
        1. +5
          12 July 2022 08: 40
          Do you know what exactly the effect is? Do you think that if terror is met with the same kind of terror, then the terrorists will come to their senses and stop the terror?
          1. +59
            12 July 2022 09: 28
            Quote: Pavel73
            Do you know what exactly the effect is?

            Yes - a clear, absolute and total hatred of Russia and Russians. And if the position "we'll take our own, and those who are dissatisfied with the wall", for all its inhumanity, has internal logical consistency, then "the struggle by military methods for the souls of people" with the total antagonization of everything and everything against itself clearly has goals and methods that contradict each other. And that means either that target is wrong, or the method.
            1. +11
              12 July 2022 09: 41
              If we act from the position of "we will take our own, and the dissatisfied - to the wall!", then we will absolutely not differ from those against whom we are fighting. That is, Nazis and terrorists. And people need to see the difference. It is this DIFFERENCE between their Nazis and us that is our main weapon. And as for the total antagonism against oneself, then whoever was not our enemy before will not be one now. Because he understands what is happening and its causes. Therefore, there is no additional antagonism and never will be. Only those who used to be enemies will remain our enemies. But if we act according to the principle "we'll take it ... and against the wall!", then the number of our enemies will increase sharply, including among those who were not there before. For he will see that we are no better than the Nazis. And if so, then their Nazis are still closer to the body.
              1. +53
                12 July 2022 10: 13
                The layman has his own truth. And in the minds of the inhabitants of the outskirts, the idea that Russia attacked and pulled them out of their usual life, and ruined someone's life, along with housing, prevails. Zigging banderlogs, for them evil is abstract. If you don’t stick out, then it doesn’t interfere with life, but the war that came from the Russian Federation, in their understanding, embitters.
                Remembering the experience of Soviet power, the method - the enemy to the wall, established peace and tranquility for many years.
                1. +9
                  12 July 2022 14: 29
                  Quote: Essex62
                  The layman has his own truth. And in the minds of the inhabitants of the outskirts, the thought that Russia attacked and pulled them out of their usual life, but for someone ...

                  Properly formulated good This conflict runs in parallel in several dimensions: as voiced by the Supreme High Command and Russia against the West. It is a pity that the inhabitants of the country 404 do not understand - no one in the west is interested in their fate. In the west, everything has long been set turn upside down and obviously they confuse “causes and effects”, and at the same time they shit in the brains of everyone in a row, continuing to follow their goals. Unfortunately, the bastards have the opportunity to play for a long time ... they deprived Russia of such an opportunity, so why - to the next Reichstag ...
                  1. +4
                    12 July 2022 16: 34
                    The West has always behaved this way. Worldview determines the model of behavior. The Russian people from the state, whoever is stronger, has grown to rob, but not the western ones. Russians tend to the community, Western individualists. One thing is annoying, why, having taken the "Reichstag", we do not use the fruits of victory?
                    1. +17
                      12 July 2022 20: 07
                      There are practically no military men on the forum, and pensioners have not been a feature of modern warfare for a long time. Gerasimov is a backward, narrow-minded military man with outdated views and concepts. Stupidity comes through every word and deed. The Russian army is fighting in a special operation on the patterns of the 2nd World War, while using the most modern weapons at a primitive level and not using their advantages. Such a war leads to heavy losses and to delaying the timing of the operation.

                      Valery Gerasimov highlights the following distinguishing features of a classic military confrontation: strategic deployment of troops, frontal clash of large groups, defeat of the enemy’s manpower and firepower, successive capture of lines and areas in order to control the territory, as well as the defeat of the enemy and the destruction of his economic potential.


                      Only an idiot and a backward person without brains could write such a thing.
                      You just wonder how, having the most modern means, you can do this. The Russian army has everything for conducting an advanced war, except for the advanced command and the General Staff of the Armed Forces .... These idiots have everything except the mind in their heads ...
                      Enough and UAVs, and aviation and weapons. BUT there is no modern reconnaissance, real-time target designation, and there is no real-time enemy engagement due to the lack of information exchange channels and coordinated interaction ... Everything modern exists only for show, and is organized "For an hour"! There is nothing in the regular army. When will this idiocy organized by Gerasimov, or rather, complete inaction for 20 years, end? When will this mu-mu be removed? Where are his fabulous ROCKs and HANDS, where is his ESU TK system, which he personally adopted. Where is the concept of modern warfare and hostilities ... The General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces has none of this ....
                      In one month, you can change the situation easily! On the Kharkiv, Dnipro, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev lines, any moving vehicle should be destroyed and the Armed Forces of Ukraine should only go further to the East on foot .... This could be a war and it should have ended long ago ....
                      1. rtv
                        +3
                        12 July 2022 23: 03
                        Well, in fairness, it must be said that there is no ESU TK level system (as it was conceived) anywhere in the world. Basically it is the human factor. For a full-fledged such a system, you need to break too much of the usual. The same cards - in electronic form, their capabilities are completely different, but you need to work with them in a completely different way, but who will redo the governing documents? If the ancient Romans are given modern technology, they will primarily make titanium armor and edged weapons. Because you need to grow morally to firearms. Cold steel was not abandoned for a long time. So the introduction of a full-fledged automated control system is a very serious job, it is a huge set of measures on the scale of all the RF Armed Forces. And if we take into account the interest of our "valiant" military-industrial complex and what kind of rat fuss they have there for the state defense order, then this task (within the framework of all the RF Armed Forces) is simply close to impossible. And the task should be solved within the framework of interspecific application - then the efficiency of the automated control system will be close to optimal.
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                      3. -8
                        13 July 2022 02: 19
                        So the introduction of a full-fledged automated control system is a very serious job, it is a huge set of measures on the scale of all the RF Armed Forces.

                        You are not only wrong, you are very wrong. No need to repeat the mistakes of pi_ndos and play network systems ... One month, and tangible results will be visible ...
                      4. +4
                        13 July 2022 11: 36
                        No need to repeat the mistakes of pi_ndos and play network systems.
                        There is an abyss between network systems and the banal introduction of elementary modern digital means on an army-wide scale. The problem is that even an elementary restructuring of this flabby colossus does not occur. For example, in Russian military registration and enlistment offices they still require fluorography on film from conscripts. It is no longer printed anywhere, not in a single clinic, everything is in digital form, and the military registration and enlistment office requires a photo. And in order to get registered, the guys rush around Moscow, looking for where to print it all. And there are offices that, knowing the problem, provide this service ... for nine thousand rubles! And I'm sure, having plunged into this system, you will stumble upon such stories at every step. What network war?
                      5. -1
                        13 July 2022 13: 14
                        Quote: Antonina Ignatenko
                        No need to repeat the mistakes of pi_ndos and play network systems.
                        There is an abyss between network systems and the banal introduction of elementary modern digital means on an army-wide scale. The problem is that even an elementary restructuring of this flabby colossus does not occur. For example, in Russian military registration and enlistment offices they still require fluorography on film from conscripts. It is no longer printed anywhere, not in a single clinic, everything is in digital form, and the military registration and enlistment office requires a photo. And in order to get registered, the guys rush around Moscow, looking for where to print it all. And there are offices that, knowing the problem, provide this service ... for nine thousand rubles! And I'm sure, having plunged into this system, you will stumble upon such stories at every step. What network war?

                        Worn straight? With us, if necessary, they will print it out right on the spot ... what kind of ancient clinics do you have ...
                      6. rtv
                        0
                        13 July 2022 12: 03
                        And you don't have to play network systems. They must be created and used. But not for show / cutting / necessary_underline, but for business.
                        And what month are you talking about?
                      7. 0
                        13 July 2022 13: 02
                        About a calendar month - one month is enough! From simple to complex, a little adjustment and build up results and achievements...
                      8. rtv
                        +2
                        13 July 2022 13: 58
                        Why is one month enough? What you are talking about is completely incomprehensible.
                      9. 0
                        14 July 2022 19: 35
                        Quote: Volkof
                        About a calendar month - one month is enough! From simple to complex, a little adjustment and build up results and achievements...

                        Will not be enough. Checked.
                      10. -2
                        14 July 2022 20: 00
                        Do you have a concept of modern warfare?
                        State? Write the main provisions to me in the VO mail. What could you check? To build something, you need a plan, a concept, goals and methods of implementation...

                        Even the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia for 22 years could not formulate the concept of modern military operations and could not issue an assignment for the creation of the ESU TZ "Sozvezdie-M". And still does not know how to fight in a modern war without nuclear weapons, and what is needed for this! The special operation in Ukraine is a vivid example of this, and not only ....
                      11. +2
                        13 July 2022 13: 12
                        Quote: Volkof
                        Only an idiot and a backward person without brains could write such a thing.

                        Doumok ... why are you scribbling here and not fighting in the Donbass or not in the General Staff? What about strategy henie? How many wars have you won?
                      12. +1
                        13 July 2022 17: 21
                        Oranges will not be born on the aspen. It is impossible to have an advanced military leadership in a comprador country through and through. Negative selection is an irresistible factor.
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                      14. +2
                        13 July 2022 23: 35
                        Volkof (Sergey), Yesterday, 20:07, - "... There are practically no military men on the forum, and pensioners have not been a feature of modern war for a long time. Gerasimov is a backward, narrow-minded military man with outdated views and concepts. Stupidity comes through from every word and deed. The Russian army is fighting in special operations according to the patterns of the 2nd World War, while using the most modern weapons at a primitive level and not using their advantages. Such a war leads to heavy losses and to delaying the timing of the operation ... "

                        I hope you are familiar with the proposals submitted in March 2014 by Kvachkov - his plan for a special operation in the South-East of the former Ukrainian SSR. ... ... the Kvachkov-2014 plan best of all shows how our MTRs should look like and what they can do in the current world hybrid war. ... on the calendar early spring of the fourteenth year ...Special operations forces could solve the Ukrainian problem immediately after the flight of Yanukovych
                        . In general and brieflyabout - 11.06.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX Military industrial courier
                        "Ballad of the Unfulfilled"
                        https://vpk.name/news/409656_ballada_o_nesbyvshemsya.html

                        Р.FROM. I hope to clarify who "by profession" is Kvachkov and to acquaint with his resume, there is no need О "Sir" Anatole (Chubais) is inappropriate, it will not be funny. hi
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                      16. 0
                        14 July 2022 19: 18
                        I am interested in military-technical issues. I do not catch any connection with you raised the topic, especially in the past tense.
                        You can go further and remember 1991, when all the combat units of the former USSR that ended up on the territory of Ukraine decided to maintain central subordination to Moscow for an indefinite period at the congress of authorized representatives in Vinnitsa, but no one even noticed this, or did not want to notice! And all the generals, as always, crap and were afraid of responsibility, both in Ukraine and in Russia!
                        Or even further:
                        On December 8, 1989, the first All-Army Officers' Meeting was held in Moscow at the Central Theater of the Soviet Army, chaired by USSR Minister of Defense Dmitry Yazov. The meeting discussed "questions of the political situation in the country and the state of affairs in the army."

                        Yazov was not there! The meeting recorded the critical situation in the army and the separation of the generals and the leadership of the army from the officer environment. All official documents about this meeting are falsified or destroyed. The meeting decided on the need for an urgent reform in the SA and instructed the command of the Armed Forces to develop and begin reform on behalf of the officers of the USSR. The elected committee from the meeting was repressed, and the movement of officer meetings was actually dissolved ... The USSR Army collapsed at the end of 1989. The generals pissed off the USSR Armed Forces, and then the USSR itself .... Did you know that?
                      17. 0
                        2 September 2022 09: 02
                        And can I have a variant of your concept of modern warfare, its definition, economic and social components?
                        Judging by your position, you know all this better and more than the General Staff of the Russian Federation.
                2. 0
                  16 July 2022 14: 35
                  Who cares what stupid people think? Russia defends its security there first of all! And there will be a lesson for ukram, if you behave like fools, then your opinion will not bother anyone
                3. Kim
                  -2
                  22 July 2022 05: 33
                  and Bandera’s not only was amnestied quietly
                  they were also seated in small positions, although, according to your logic, they should be higher than a janitor in a cholera barracks. closed
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                  on the other hand, 20 years ago, the "bearded" fought with the Cossacks, and now they are taking cities together
              2. +20
                12 July 2022 10: 24
                Quote: Pavel73
                Because he understands what is happening and its causes.

                This is a struggle for the souls of those for whom it is not necessary to fight. The rest see that under the Nazis they had peace, and during the special operation - a bloody meat grinder, broken lives and death. And they know who started the special operation.
              3. +32
                12 July 2022 15: 05
                Do we need Victory, or do we need enemies to think well of us? They cut the eggs of our captives, we are theirs in a sanatorium. They blow up the administrators who have passed to us - we do not touch the leadership. We protect their personnel - they kill ours. And if we lose because of the desire to appear "not like that" - this will probably be the first time in history. "Do not open fire on the enemy's battery, which is hitting us, just because it is next to the house - this is a new word in military science" (c).
                1. +11
                  12 July 2022 17: 52
                  So our propagandists have long and, unfortunately, successfully littered the brains of our own people, forcing them to believe that the army is needed to remove kittens from the trees, and the war consists solely of covering civilians with their bodies, including civilians of the enemy country. I remember after Beslan, journalists wrote that special forces carried children out of school, covering them with their bodies. I thought that, it turns out, special forces fighters can not be trained at all - I typed more ambalists so that they could hang two or three armor plates on them so that they could more successfully cover the hostages with their bodies. How about learning to shoot? What for?
                  However, this began much earlier, when the shameful history of the "Varyag" was turned into an unprecedented feat. And perhaps the most epic example is that the main confirmation of the thesis about the decisive role of the USSR in the victory over Germany was decided to be the fact that the USSR lost the most people in that war. And it started - every year the total amount of losses increased from 16 to 20, 22, 26 million, someone has already started talking about 45 million. Well, it's understandable - the more died, the greater the feat.
                  If we do not want to get a complete embarrassment from this CBO, then we need to return to the origins:
                  1. the army must fight or prepare for war, for parades, shows and other PR actions, one unit is enough, such as the Kremlin regiment.
                  2. if the enemy hides behind his own civilians, then their possible death is a crime of those who, in theory, should protect them.
                  3. The best, and in principle the only way to save hostages, especially those who would be taken hostage in the future, is to destroy terrorists, including terrorists in uniform.
                  4. if the commander does not dare to give the order to open fire, fearing to be taken hostage, and the soldier refuses to shoot for these reasons, and as a result, their subordinates, comrades die, then such chirpy people should not be portrayed as heroes, but put up against the wall, as accomplices enemy.
                  5. Examples of heroism, including for propaganda purposes (and where without it?) must be selected, guided by the principle "a good soldier is not the one who dies for the Motherland, but who makes his opponents die for their Motherland" (General Patton ). And glorification should not interfere with the investigation - because of whose negligence, incompetence, instead of the usual, routine combat work, the fighters needed to perform a feat? Why did the 6th company, which had died heroically, be forced to fight alone for a day, and where was the rest of the many thousands of our troops, including all-weather aviation, at that time?
                  1. +4
                    12 July 2022 18: 43
                    All right. As a result, heroes are those who died heroically, and did not complete the combat mission with minimal losses and maximum efficiency. The roots of all this, of course, lie deeper, but for a start it would be nice to win this war and take measures based on the results.
                    1. +1
                      13 July 2022 17: 43
                      Imperceptibly approached, killed everyone and just as imperceptibly left. Or even better. I discovered targets from a satellite, handed them over to the missile forces and aviation, they destroyed everything. Wait, but where is OVERCOME?! BORING!
                2. +1
                  14 July 2022 01: 28
                  I'll just add a technical detail. The prospect of a new, future military use of quadrocopters (multi-rotor aircraft with remote control) was discussed 15-20 years ago at technical forums by amateurs, modellers of these devices. But the military was not interested in this topic, maybe because of myopia of thinking or the prevalence of the topic of creating expensive attack drones ...
                  Looking at the systematic shelling of Ukrainian weapons hiding in urban areas, and in response, commentators shrug their shoulders, explaining that it is impossible to hit them without destroying houses nearby...
                  This is a fair remark, but for conventional or reactive systems. In contrast, a quadrocopter with dimensions of 40x40 cm is capable of carrying an F-1 grenade and, unlike an aircraft-type drone, hovering exactly above the target. And the F-1 grenade allows you to disable the calculation and equipment - a mortar, a gun, a car, a rocket launcher without destroying buildings. Against armored vehicles, you can use cumulative ammunition, similar to the PTAB of the 2nd World War. If there are none, then it is easy to create a new one.
              4. -3
                12 July 2022 17: 17
                pavel, the war in Ukraine was unleashed by the United States back in 2014, they framed Germany, France and Poland, which signed guarantees to Yanukovych, but in Ukraine the above countries are definitely friends, and everyone suffers during hostilities, and give me an example when our troops put dissatisfied with the wall, there is no such thing, but there are examples of the work of parallel administrations. When hostilities are underway, you need to understand whose side you are on, and you, apparently, are engaged in Tolstoyism, only non-resistance to evil by violence, no one has yet been saved from this evil.
            2. +9
              12 July 2022 15: 42
              The effect of absolute hatred happened in the first days of the war, when a conditional Kharkiv resident went out into the street and saw that he had Donetsk there. And he thought that it was not about him, Donetsk for the Donbass. And here it is..
              And Paul wrote about a longer time. For example, I can judge from my acquaintances that they have already begun to think, and not just hysterically yell "we are for what."
              In any case, it is impossible to imitate and act in the same way as those with whom we are fighting. Why then all this?
              1. +3
                12 July 2022 16: 06
                Quote: CB Master
                For example, I can judge from my acquaintances that they have already begun to think, and not just hysterically yell "we are for what."

                I see it too. In the early days, the conditional Kharkiv resident hoped that the Russians would fit in for him (after all, he is the same as them!) And overthrow Putin, or at least force him to stop the special operation. Then I realized that no, this will not happen, it is useless to cry. But that's just in vain you think that this is a good sign.
                1. +6
                  12 July 2022 17: 32
                  In the early days, the conditional Kharkiv resident hoped that the Russians would fit in for him (after all, he is the same as them!)

                  You are not in the subject, or vice versa, too in the subject laughing They didn’t think so for at least 5 years, moreover, they no longer considered themselves Russians.

                  That we will overthrow Putin by looking at the photos that they send, they thought, but they were told so on TV. Well, this is where it went silly. You can’t send such photos, and immediately write that you should cut all Russians (in an obscenely hysterical form), including children. This seriously blurred the effect of these same photos. request
                  But that's just in vain you think that this is a good sign.

                  When they start to think, this is by any means a good sign, it means that it will be possible to agree. Negotiate with a person, and not with a head filled with a set of memes from Arestov.
                  1. +1
                    12 July 2022 18: 15
                    Yes, you may be right about the background, I don't know about that part. But still, nevertheless, they spoke the same language, grew up on the same books and films, sat on the same websites, watched the same YouTube channels. Photographs had no chance, fellow citizens were successfully taught to immediately see a fake in everything that does not fit into their picture of the world.

                    When they start to think, this is by any means a good sign, it means that it will be possible to agree.

                    Here I even agree, but there will definitely not be any soul in this.
                    1. +11
                      12 July 2022 18: 49
                      But still, nevertheless, they spoke the same language, grew up on the same books and films, sat on the same websites, watched the same YouTube channels.
                      Their children have already started playing board games, where the task, for example, was to destroy the gang of the colobrant Kovpak. laughing And this is in the east of Ukraine! Here, sitting on the same sites and channels will not help. How many of them were zombified by all this? 7-8 years, then the same amount now they will have to show Solovyov with this, like him, who loves to lead with his hands laughing
                      but there won't be any soul in it.
                      Does it need a soul? Recently I saw how young Japanese spoke out about the fact that they are grateful to the United States for the nuclear bombing. This is what I understand, and the soul is not needed.
                2. 0
                  13 July 2022 13: 17
                  Quote: military_cat
                  Quote: CB Master
                  For example, I can judge from my acquaintances that they have already begun to think, and not just hysterically yell "we are for what."

                  I see it too. In the early days, the conditional Kharkiv resident hoped that the Russians would fit in for him (after all, he is the same as them!) And overthrow Putin, or at least force him to stop the special operation. Then I realized that no, this will not happen, it is useless to cry. But that's just in vain you think that this is a good sign.

                  Did Cypso crawl out of his hole again? Moderators remove this.
            3. +8
              13 July 2022 01: 01
              Quote: military_cat
              Quote: Pavel73
              Do you know what exactly the effect is?

              Yes - a clear, absolute and total hatred of Russia and Russians.

              smile Absolute?
              Total? lol
              And what is wrong in the liberated territories?
              And why did the people rush abroad from the grave?
              What is not torn into battle?
              Why do women hide men and beat off military commissars?
              And in the liberated cities, the people take out Russian and Soviet flags and call the allied troops liberators?
              Or is it because of such "total" and "absolute" hatred that you have to hand out subpoenas in transport, on the streets and beaches?
              Do you think that the people of Kiev now have love, trust and absolute support for the Kyiv authorities?
              Or is it still not?
              And if not, then WHY?
              Isn't it because the government doesn't cover up its rabid ultra-Nazism even with a sackcloth of decency? And animal Russophobia in a country where 70-80% of the population speaks and thinks in Russian, what emotions and moods does it evoke in your opinion?
              And it's still summer, when it's warm and everything is growing, you can feed from the garden ... And Winter is approaching.
              And in winter, gas, coal, heat in apartments will be only in the liberated territories. What about hunger...? The grain was taken out, there is nothing to feed the cattle, the harvest will most likely be disrupted ... Utilities are not preparing for winter at all Yes
              And How ?
              WHO under such conditions will be hated with all total absoluteness by the population of this mutilated country?
              And on the fronts, still moving slowly, mobilized men will grind ... husbands, fathers and brothers ...
              For hunger, cold, death and fear WHO will these people hate?
              Seeing that in the liberated territories it is warm, light, there is work, food and they are not driven to slaughter ...?

              Quote: military_cat
              then "the struggle by military methods for the souls of people" with the total antagonization of everything and everything against itself clearly has goals and methods that contradict each other.

              It is precisely with these methods that the Kyiv puppets of London and Washington are now harassing the people of the former Ukraine ... People already simply vomit and fiercely hate the language, and the name, and symbols of this fascist non-state ... with what relief they get rid of all this in the liberated territories. .. and start smiling.
              It will be so.
              Step by step .
              And realizing WHO doomed them to all these sufferings, with WHAT (!!!) fury will they hate both their shameful past and their former Western masters ...?
              Quote: military_cat
              And that means either that target is wrong, or the method.

              Yes Yes . Only in relation to the fascist regime in Ukraine. And everything is fine with our methods - we are met in the liberated cities as liberators.
              1. +1
                14 July 2022 16: 28
                Quote: bayard
                What is not torn into battle?
                Because hatred and willingness to die are two different things.

                Quote: bayard
                Seeing that in the liberated territories it is warm, light, there is work, food and they are not driven to slaughter ...?
                If this were the case, the LDNR would have become an attractive image of the future even before any SVO. And this, to put it mildly, is not so.

                Quote: bayard
                with what relief they get rid of all this in the liberated territories ..
                You, to put it mildly, see an incomplete and unrepresentative picture.

                Quote: bayard
                And realizing WHO doomed them to all these sufferings, with WHAT (!!!) fury will they hate both their shameful past and their former Western masters ...?
                Why you think so is understandable. But what makes you think that Ukrainians will think the same way? You are a stakeholder, and what will an observer who has no desire to justify the CBO see? He will see that under the shameful fascist puppets he had peace and tranquility, and under the NWO - war and horror, what conclusion is the most natural, obvious and, as a result, probable for him?
                1. +1
                  15 July 2022 10: 19
                  Quote: military_cat
                  Because hatred and willingness to die are two different things.

                  What unproductive hatred...
                  It turns out that those who hate are fleeing the country, because "they got scared", and those who hate the fascist regime or are simply mentally normal ... are forced to go under arms and to the front for mobilization, not wanting it at all and even contrary to their will to your own?
                  Or maybe it's better that way? Indeed, in captivity and in the liberated territories, people quickly come to their senses, the haze subsides ... and those who truly hate will remain where they dreamed of - in Europe ...
                  Well, be on this.
                  Quote: military_cat
                  If this were the case, the LDNR would have become an attractive image of the future even before any SVO. And this, to put it mildly, is not so.

                  Through the efforts of our haters, the economy on the territory of the LDNR until 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX. could not work normally - who will launch production in the shelling zones? And practically the entire territory of these republics was within reach of the artillery of the Nazis.
                  But everything is known in comparison - we get the cities for a reason - we take them with a fight. And the way the fascists behave with the local population, while they are resisting us, and how our military is, there is a great difference. For the haze about the "legality of the power of the Nazis in / on" flies very quickly, and liberation is perceived exclusively as Liberation.
                  Quote: military_cat
                  If that were the case, LDNR...

                  Come on, for several years (until the Kyiv fascists closed the border to the Crimea), the inhabitants of the former Ukraine went to the Crimea on vacation, and year after year they watched live HOW the peninsula was changing. After all, the Nezalezhniks didn’t invest anything there, everything was just falling apart from dilapidation. And if the South Coast was somehow supported by local entrepreneurs, then ... Have you seen the state of Kerch at the time of the construction of the Kerch bridge ??? It's terrible... it's such poverty and desolation... such neglect... And what were the roads like??
                  And look how Crimea has become.
                  Here THIS (!!) is an example.

                  Quote: military_cat
                  You, to put it mildly, see an incomplete and unrepresentative picture.

                  Do you mean those psychopaths and maniacs that your protege raised during the years of independence?
                  They will be destroyed. If not during the fighting and cleansing, then through the Military Tribunals.
                  Everything .
                  For "those guilty of death shall be put to death."
                  Quote: military_cat
                  Why you think so is understandable. But what makes you think that Ukrainians will think the same way?

                  I don’t know who the “Ukrainians” are, but I know that the inhabitants of the former Ukraine behave this way in the liberated territories.
                  Quote: military_cat
                  You are a stakeholder, and what will an observer who has no desire to justify the CBO see?

                  And what does your observer see in the Crimea?
                  What does YOUR observer see in Crimea?
                  So the opinion of your observer is completely indifferent to me because of his unconditional bias.
                  And normal (mentally and morally) people see what is. And they will see what will happen.
                  Quote: military_cat
                  He will see that under the shameful fascist puppets he had peace and tranquility,

                  And at that time, children were dying in the Donbass ... women ... old people ...?
                  So it's time for him to bear his share of the blame for this.
                  Otherwise, no way. Every deed needs a worthy reward.
                  Let it be so .
                  Quote: military_cat
                  with NWO - war and horror, what conclusion is the most natural, obvious and, as a result, probable for him?

                  And what conclusion did the inhabitants of the defeated fascist Germany make after the spring of 1945?
                  And who did they blame for this?
                  Turn more often to the fate of the 3rd Reich, and then you will not doubt the fate of the 4th Reich.
                  I'm talking about the entire collective 4th Reich of our time.
                  Quote: military_cat
                  war and horror

                  This is how a person works - until he gets sick of his own, he does not understand someone else's pain.
                  Now he understands.
                  Because it will pass.
                  Because it's deserved.
                  And do you care about the mental anguish of convicted criminals in places of punishment? Or before the execution of the sentence of the highest measure of social responsibility?
                  Let's leave the "dead to carry their dead" (misanthropes to carry their hatred) - this is their karma and fate.
                  In all its sacred and literal significance.
                  For now is the time for everyone to carry their own.
                  And so be it. For this is the law of time.
                  1. 0
                    15 July 2022 11: 27
                    Quote: bayard
                    Turn more often to the fate of the 3rd Reich, and then you will not doubt the fate of the 4th Reich.

                    The problem with this comparison is that it is objectively forced. Neither Ukraine, nor even the "collective West" are drawn to the Reich by any parameters. The opposite can be convinced only by those who themselves want to be convinced of this.
                    1. 0
                      15 July 2022 15: 13
                      Modern so-called. Ukraine does not pull the economy of Germany in the 30s and 40s, yes. But with ideology, information policy and internal goals, it will also give odds in some ways.
                      And so yes - what times, such are the Nazis.
            4. +1
              13 July 2022 12: 50
              Quote: military_cat
              And that means either that target is wrong, or the method.

              Or you and I are cleverly kept for suckers .. And goal originally different. Quite another !!! .. Which ?? I can’t say with certainty ... But you and I were told - "By their fruits you will know them."
              What are the benefits of SVO? . And what fruits are already visible? ..
          2. +4
            12 July 2022 14: 10
            Terrorists are usually destroyed, rather than given the regime complete freedom of action.
          3. +4
            12 July 2022 17: 52
            What prevented Putin in 20 years from fighting the dkshi and the minds of Ukrainians?
            1. +2
              12 July 2022 18: 03
              They sang about him, bad songs laughing
            2. 0
              13 July 2022 06: 27
              dependence on the West. She is still there. But not as deadly as before.
          4. 0
            29 July 2022 16: 28
            I think that if the terrorists are eliminated physically, then there will be no need to waste time and money on "re-education". It has been scientifically proven that no animal can be "raised" to the level of a human being. Darwin's theory, alas, does not apply to primates; - is wrong. "Dead end branches" of civilization do not contribute to progress and creation.
        2. +2
          12 July 2022 09: 16
          The second explanation is that the country's leadership still hopes to return to the discussion new peace settlement.

          It probably is, writes a pro-Kremlin source:

          Until September, Zelensky and his handlers from the Washington Regional Committee have time for soft surrender with the loss of only 30% of territories, after the Ukrainian statehood will be lost forever and legitimized according to the principle of division into three parts under the control of the UN.  

          https://t.me/russica2/47222
        3. +13
          12 July 2022 10: 53
          Quote: military_cat
          Tell me, please, do you notice that the effect is strictly the opposite?

          the effect is strictly linear. How many freed so many hearts and received ... Now, if we began to turn off the taps for our own oligarchs and introduced the responsibility of officials by firing squad, then the effect would be in the form of hyperbole .... You see, they see our top as the same as their own. They do not understand that they are fighting only for the right to be homosexuals and prostitutes in Europe, this is what they call independence.
          1. +7
            12 July 2022 12: 49
            Quote: aybolyt678
            the effect is strictly linear. How many freed so many hearts and received ...

            Even the USSR could not achieve such a result in the liberated territories, but it had more resources.
            1. +3
              12 July 2022 17: 54
              And there were no oligarchs, and money was not withdrawn from the country.
            2. +4
              13 July 2022 01: 29
              Quote: military_cat
              Even the USSR could not achieve such a result in the liberated territories, but it had more resources.

              Everything the Soviet Union could, did and succeeded. it's just that the vector changed after 1955. And Khrushchev first amnestied Bandera, and later the KGB and the ideological departments of the CPSU of the union republics undertook to intensively cultivate small-town nationalism. For the country has been led to the catastrophe of 1991 since 1955.
              So Ukraine was led for 24 years, reformatted and brought up new generations until the fascist coup in 2014. And then another 8 years of fierce ultra-Nazi propaganda and state terror.
              There is only one step from love to hate, and even less from hate to love.
            3. 0
              13 July 2022 08: 53
              Quote: military_cat
              Even the USSR could not achieve such a result in the liberated territories,

              but still the effect is not negative. This is what we're talking about. If we had a clear formulated ideology, it would be better
      2. +17
        12 July 2022 12: 00
        I don’t understand either ... If they haven’t even started yet, then where did the loss of 1,3k people by 200 come from in the first 2 weeks? The flagship of the Black Sea Fleet was lost, etc., before it even started. And if they start in earnest, then what to expect?
      3. +7
        12 July 2022 12: 20
        Quote: Pavel73
        The explanation is very simple: this is not a struggle for territory and resources, but for the minds and souls of people. Ukrainian Nazism can be defeated in only one way - to turn the entire population of Ukraine against it. Not in words, but in deeds, to convince that the government in Ukraine is absolutely false, absolutely puppet and absolutely Nazi. For which the state of the Anglo-Saxon slaves is above all, including their own people. There are no other options.

        Pavel, this is an absolutely utopian idea - to win the fight for the minds and souls of the population of Ukraine. In Soviet times, they did not win, but then the situation was completely different. Now, when almost two generations have been brought up in a wild hatred of everything Russian, we will not be able to achieve love for Russia by any means. NONE. Only the harsh suppression of any attempt to counteract and the maximum propaganda of our way of life for several decades. And even then I'm not sure that someone will give us this time.
        It is high time to admit that most of the population of Ukraine is our enemy. And the liberated territories, so that they don’t scream now about joining the Russian Federation (with the exception of the Donetsk and Luhansk republics), are enemy territories, since a lot of the population there hates us and will sabotage any of our projects as much as possible.
        1. -3
          12 July 2022 13: 01
          Yes, that's the trouble, that it was in the SOVIET period that Ukrainians were brought up in contempt for Russia and everything Russian! Don't believe? And remember what we were taught in our RSFSR schools? What did they say about pre-revolutionary Russia? "Tsarism", "backwardness", "serfdom", "oppressors", "gendarme of Europe", "prison of peoples"... And that only the Great October Socialist Revolution finally liberated these peoples! That is, we in Russia learned to despise and hate our "slave" past, and all our brothers in the socialist republics, including the Ukrainian SSR, learned to despise and hate US!
          1. +17
            12 July 2022 13: 11
            Sorry, but I was born and raised in the USSR. I am quite far over 50. And I do not remember the case when we had any conflicts on ethnic grounds with the Ukrainians (both in the army and in everyday life). Western Ukraine - yes. But so, sorry, this is a piece of territory forcibly annexed to the USSR. They have never been part of the Russian Empire, why should they love us? Just enemies
            1. -5
              12 July 2022 13: 19
              I was also born and raised in the USSR, though I’m under 50. And there were no conflicts on ethnic grounds either in the army or in everyday life, because when I left the army, there was still the USSR, and commanders, including sergeants, strictly watched so that there were manifestations of nationalism. Which, in principle, found understanding among the personnel. But then the USSR collapsed. And in the minds of all, only what was taught in schools remained, before its creation. That is, Russia is the gendarme of Europe, the prison of nations, and the list goes on. Thus, the Soviet government, unwittingly, brought up nationalism and contempt for Russia in all our fraternal republics! Yes, while the USSR was alive, this time bomb was sleeping and waiting in the wings. The end of the USSR returned the consciousness of all peoples to what was before it. And before him, as we were taught, there was nothing good.
            2. +5
              12 July 2022 14: 37
              Part of Western Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire. Western Volhynia, for example. The largest city is Lutsk.
              1. +1
                12 July 2022 17: 15
                Well, you understand what territories I wrote about
              2. +5
                12 July 2022 17: 28
                Sergey, add more Poland and Finland, and the Baltic States, bought out for money by Peter 1 from the Swedes. This is also our history.
                1. +4
                  12 July 2022 18: 22
                  To be more precise, the territories of modern Estonia and parts of Latvia were redeemed. As for Poland, we owned a part of ethnographic Poland, although the largest. If we take the territory of modern Poland, then the former Kingdom of Poland now occupies about 45 percent of its territory. Today's Poland consists of five parts: these are three parts that arose after the partitions of Poland: the former Kingdom of Poland, the Austrian part of Poland, the Prussian part of Poland, and the fourth part is those territories that were part of Prussia long before the partitions of Poland and which went to the Poles after Second World War. The fifth part is a large part of East Prussia and West Prussia (this is a historical term, not to be confused with the western part of the late, expanded, Prussia), which they also inherited after the Second World War. In general, a hodgepodge.
                  1. +1
                    14 July 2022 16: 30
                    Thank you Sergey, I gave you a plus, you wrote everything correctly, I cited this as an example, you can add Alaska, but no one, I hope no one in our state claims our former territories yet, although you can issue an invoice, in the West they like to talk about restitution .
        2. +1
          12 July 2022 18: 09
          Only the harsh suppression of any attempt to counteract and the maximum propaganda of our way of life for several decades.
          Is this your guiding idea of ​​liberation or an occupation regime?! And what propaganda of "our way of life" do you propose?
      4. +20
        12 July 2022 12: 54
        Pavel-173: The struggle for the "mind and souls" of people begins with the thoughtful and timely education of people by the State, competent and timely reforms in the field of education, culture, and a fair social policy pursued by the State. Russia, at the moment, is conducting a "military operation to force a neighboring state to be white, fluffy and loyal", after 30 years of complete "indifference" towards it .... And what does the "Gerasimov Doctrine" have to do with it? It will be very difficult for Russia to change the "ideological trend" of Ukraine, to regain loyalty to Russia after so many years of neglecting the "Ukrainian issue", political verbiage regarding Ukraine, mythical hopes for joint "Slovenian roots" and other "ideological crap". It is practically impossible to achieve ideological loyalty from a counterpart if one himself does not have any ideology (ideological core) ... Does Russia have one (ideology)? We, even, in the fundamental document of the State - the Constitution, seem to have abandoned the ideological component? Then what are the arguments and lamentations about the struggle for the "mind and souls" of the inhabitants of the neighboring country? In such a situation, "winning the mind and soul" of the inhabitants of Ukraine will take Russia 50-70 years, with the help of competent social reforms, economic recovery, etc. Are we ready for this? This is a big question ... In the meantime, the "Gerasimov Doctrine", I think, should be left for study at the Academy of the General Staff and start fighting according to the "canons of war", freeing territories, so as not to turn the "Ukrainian liberation campaign" into the Second Northern War, which Peter the Great led for 20 years... Yes! By the way! In 10 years of "fighting for the minds and souls" of the Germans, Hitler made animals out of them, the genes that live are still in the bodies of European inhabitants ... And here (in Ukraine) there was a "dill education" for almost 30 years ... So - what we are fighting, for now, for liberation from the remnants of Nazism in Europe, for minds and souls - the struggle is ahead ...
      5. -2
        12 July 2022 14: 36
        The Smerekovs like this kind of power, they don't need another.
      6. 0
        12 July 2022 17: 25
        Quote: Pavel73
        Not in words, but in deeds, to convince that the government in Ukraine is absolutely false, absolutely puppet and absolutely Nazi.

        Well, suppose you convinced the people, then what? The people were convinced and said: there it is, Petrovich, there it is!? The people have long been under the heel of the armed Nazis, they cannot even protect their loved ones! It is not worth pulling, it is necessary to build up troops and clean this misunderstanding to the "1997 borders" (c)
        1. 0
          29 July 2022 16: 30
          Can't or won't? Two big differences.
          1. 0
            1 August 2022 13: 24
            Quote: Vladimir_65
            Can't or won't? Two big differences.

            They answered directly in Odessa, there are no two differences laughing The unarmed people could not resist the armed, well-motivated and trained Nazis in 2014, and today there are an order of magnitude fewer those who want to do this - the brainwashing machine has been working for 8 years.
      7. +2
        12 July 2022 19: 22
        Quote: Pavel73
        The explanation is very simple: this is a struggle not for territory and resources, but for the minds and souls of people.

        What kind of minds, if you believe our statements that Ukraine lost 80 thousand people only killed, and also crippled, wounded, then this figure will at least triple, now imagine everyone has a family, mom, dad, wife, brother, sister, children , grandmothers in the exit You get a million and a half, two, blood haters. Now there are 8 years of purges. And most importantly, the call goes mainly in the southeast, which is purposefully turned from the pro-Russian population into our enemies, and the Westerners already hated us, all "bingo" Ukraine for at least a decade, our enemy !!!!!!!! !!! Bravo to the guys from Langley and Secret Intelligence Servic, and our guys from the square where the iron felix was demolished are busy at this time, they have no time because there are so many banks and oil companies around. In general, no matter how hard you try, no hearts, and we will not win minds, at least in the coming years, so that we must start fighting like an adult, and only pity our guys, no matter how cynical it sounds !!!!
        1. +1
          13 July 2022 01: 25
          From this conclusion? War for the sake of war? As one Israeli comrade wrote to me that he was fighting for his comrades who were with him in the ranks.
          And there is no higher goal? Looks scary.
      8. +2
        13 July 2022 01: 48
        Those. for these "minds and souls of people" tens-hundreds-thousands of citizens and children of Donbass and border Russia should die, their homes and valuable infrastructure of our country should be destroyed? Isn't the price too high for these thugs who are always selling themselves to the highest bidder. For each of our / Russian dead, we must not be afraid to take a dozen shifter fools with weak brains that they don’t want to think for themselves where is white, where is black ....
      9. +1
        13 July 2022 05: 06
        With such tactics and strategy, it is not only difficult not to win the sympathy of the inhabitants of Ukrainian lands, but it is somehow ashamed in front of your own people.
      10. 0
        13 July 2022 10: 34
        Did I understand you correctly - to grind the entire male population?
      11. 0
        13 July 2022 10: 44
        The mind is cleared only when the ALL territory is under control. Zhukov would be surprised if he received an order to stop the offensive and move away from Berlin until the mind of the Germans works! But immediately after the capture of Berlin, the German brains started working! For me, such a lull will not lead to good. To starve out the whole west??? We need to look at things realistically: there is no real victory, there is no respect in the whole world. There will be a quick victory and dozens of countries will consider Russia as their benchmark. And so .... and Kazakhstan has already lathered the skis.
      12. 0
        13 July 2022 20: 13
        Naive you don't know Ukrainians
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    3. -15
      12 July 2022 08: 02
      Quote: Gato
      I belong to the category of people to whom Peskov is forced to explain the words of VVP - he probably understands them better.

      Do you like to listen to hustlers instead of direct speech?
      Putin about Peskov: "What nonsense is he talking about."

      Quote: Gato
      Why does the General Staff follow a doctrine that doesn't work?

      Why doesn't it work if we advance, liberate city after city, and the enemy flees?

      Quote: Gato
      It seems that Russia is fighting with the middle finger of the left hand

      No one has declared war on anyone, neither Ukraine to us, nor we to Ukraine.
      We are conducting CBO on the territory of Ukraine and very successfully.

      In Ukraine, it opposes our General Staff, NATO headquarters. Ours wins!

      ps
      If you paid attention to the news on TV, then they periodically show how our units return from Ukraine to their places of deployment. I will add - in their place are new ones. Thus, our troops are "shelled" in a combat situation. Just as 90% of the aircrew went through Syria, so all our troops will go through the NVO.

      pps
      And now the enemies of Russia can downvote me and the more minuses you put, the more pleasant you will make me. Go.
      1. +9
        12 July 2022 09: 51
        I also think that 80-90 percent of the army will pass through the NVO, except perhaps the Strategic Missile Forces, which are not participating in local conflicts. And rightly so, you can’t replace combat experience with exercises, and you can immediately see who went to serve and who to earn.
      2. +17
        12 July 2022 09: 55
        Quote: Boris55
        If you paid attention to the news on TV, then they periodically show how our units return from Ukraine to their places of deployment. I will add - in their place are new ones.

        Take a closer look at who is returning - the National Guard, and the Defense Ministry, as they stopped in December-January "for exercises", so they only see the PPD in photographs (especially from the Air Defense Forces and the Central Military District), only occasionally take them abroad for rest and bringing weapons and military equipment to life. But it has always been like this, in the Caucasus, the Ministry of Internal Affairs rode on business trips for 45/90 days, and the army team, from the moment they were commissioned to the release of the entire part, or "we will change when we find a replacement", was always looking for a long time, they were looking for a replacement for me for 8 months, and one "irreplaceable record holder "more than a year, and this is not in the 10s, but in 99-01 ...
      3. -3
        12 July 2022 11: 01
        Quote: Boris55
        And now the enemies of Russia can downvote me and the more minuses you put, the more pleasant you will make me. Go.

        ++ for unreasonable minuses go to Hell. wink a nice comment, but I didn’t find it about internal politics and the development of an ideology
        1. 0
          13 July 2022 13: 26
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Quote: Boris55
          And now the enemies of Russia can downvote me and the more minuses you put, the more pleasant you will make me. Go.

          ++ for unreasonable minuses go to Hell. wink a nice comment, but I didn’t find it about internal politics and the development of an ideology

          And as for domestic policy, shove it under other posts, but here about Ukraine ... you made a mistake with the address.
          1. +1
            13 July 2022 14: 25
            Quote: Alexey Sedykin
            And about domestic politics, shove it under other posts, but here about Ukraine ... you made a mistake with the address

            Here in VO there is a Ukrainian with whom I clashed, and so he is sure that there is no internal difference between Russia and Ukraine, that we have the same oligarchs as theirs, they live well and Russia is the aggressor and they don’t want our oligarchs .. Therefore, speaking about Ukraine, it is simply necessary to clean up something in the internal politics of our country, clean up the top, develop an ideology that is understandable, legally significant .... Without this, we will not win hearts and minds
            1. +1
              13 July 2022 15: 22
              You do not interfere with one another, flies separately and cutlets separately. Since an article about Ukraine means and we are discussing the same thing, but for your lamentations at another time and in another place ...
              1. 0
                14 July 2022 08: 32
                Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                You do not interfere with one another, flies separately and cutlets separately.

                Unfortunately, flies sometimes don't ask laughing , and life consists of little things and flies as well. In fact, any question has many facets. The question is deeply philosophical, the answer to it affects concepts: opinion, fact, truth, truth... Both my grandmothers are Ukrainians, and I am a Siberian. We were one country, but by the will of the top we were divided, therefore, HOW do you want to discuss Ukraine without discussing yourself? We have an image of the enemy because they see our shortcomings in a hypertrophied form.
      4. +14
        12 July 2022 12: 03
        That is, if a person does not agree with YOUR point of view, then he is an enemy of Russia? Who gave you the right to hang labels?
      5. +4
        12 July 2022 18: 11
        Putin about Peskov: "What nonsense is he talking about."

        If the president's press secretary, in his opinion, is talking nonsense, but nevertheless remains in this position, then it means ... I can't even imagine what that means. Can you enlighten?
        And now the enemies of Russia can downvote me and the more minuses you put, the more pleasant you will make me. Go.

        I love making people happy, so keep it up.
    4. +3
      12 July 2022 08: 18
      Quote: Gato
      Peskov is forced to explain the words of VVP

      And sometimes vice versa...
      1. -10
        12 July 2022 08: 44
        President's direct speech:
        July 7, 2022 20:50 Moscow, Kremlin
        "Meeting with the leadership of the State Duma and heads of factions":
        http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/68836

        "... But what would I like to draw attention to? They should have understood that they have already lost from the very beginning of our special military operation, because its beginning also means the beginning of a cardinal breakdown of the American world order. This is the beginning of the transition from liberal-globalist American egocentrism to a truly multipolar world - a world based not on selfish rules invented by someone for themselves, behind which there is nothing but the desire for hegemony, not on hypocritical double standards, but on international law, on the true sovereignty of peoples and civilizations, on their will to live their historical destiny, their values ​​and traditions and build cooperation on the basis of democracy, justice and equality. And you have to understand that this process can no longer be stopped.... ".
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    5. +11
      12 July 2022 09: 33
      What is there to understand? One "water". And here is the whole essence of the notorious, as the author of the article called it, "Gerasimov's doctrine":
      Rocket strikes on Bankova (Zelensky's office) and Povitroflotska (Ukraine's Ministry of Defense) could indeed decapitate the Kyiv regime. What can this lead to? Here the situation is completely unpredictable - from a full-fledged civil war in Ukraine to the introduction of a "peacekeeping" NATO contingent.

      Yes
    6. +5
      12 July 2022 10: 01
      Quote: Gato
      Why does the General Staff follow a doctrine that doesn't work?

      And before that, the doctrine of the NGSh Makarov not only did not work, but was completely stillborn ...
    7. +9
      12 July 2022 12: 26
      Gato. Schweik said that you need to substitute yourself so that the enemy shoots at you. You get pleasure from the fact that their ammunition is destroyed, and the enemy soldier also enjoys that it is easier for him to walk when there is no ammunition.
    8. -4
      12 July 2022 15: 34
      I tried my best to get you to a hundred pluses))))
    9. +8
      12 July 2022 16: 25
      If “we didn’t even start”, then what is happening now and when will we start? And will we start at all? Why does the General Staff follow a doctrine that doesn't work?

      Because Gerasimov did not publish the text "The value of science is in foresight."
      The author uses annotations to Gerasimov's report "Main Trends in the Development of Forms and Methods of Use of the Armed Forces, Actual Tasks of Military Science for Their Improvement." He read it at a meeting of the Academy of Military Sciences following the "color revolutions" in the Middle East and North Africa in 2013.
      https://vpk-news.ru/articles/14632

      There are really a lot of similarities.


      And it seems that the special operation is an attempt at such a color revolution. But things didn't go according to plan...
      1. +2
        12 July 2022 17: 39
        Each country has its own concepts of warfare, but only practice, that is, war, shows how well the theory turned out to be.
        1. +2
          12 July 2022 19: 25
          Each country has its own concepts of warfare, but only practice, that is, war, shows how well the theory turned out to be.

          For a special operation, such a concept may have been suitable. And for a battle with half the world, apparently, not really.
      2. -2
        12 July 2022 18: 15
        And it seems that the special operation is an attempt at such a color revolution. But things didn't go according to plan...
        "Foreign force" color revolution???
        1. 0
          12 July 2022 19: 21
          Vneshnesilovoy "color revolution???

          Of course. Any color revolution is external force. Yes, and not colored, often, too.
          1. 0
            13 July 2022 01: 32
            I wonder what external forces, in RI, VOSR carried out? Or in France WFR?
            1. +1
              13 July 2022 06: 47
              I wonder what external forces, in RI, VOSR carried out? Or in France WFR?

              These are not color revolutions in the full sense, but the active participation of foreign countries in both cases is undeniable.
              In France, since the revolution, there have been more than 2 thousand Masonic lodges, organized mainly by Great Britain, and in January 1917 Lenin spoke to young people in Zurich.
              He ended his speech with the words: “We old people, perhaps, will not live to see the decisive battles of this coming revolution. But I can, it seems to me, express with great confidence the hope that the youth who work so well in the socialist movement of Switzerland and the whole world, that they will have the happiness not only to fight, but also to win in the coming proletarian revolution.

              That is, he did not think of any revolution in Russia. And then, suddenly somehow ended up in St. Petersburg ... laughing
            2. +2
              13 July 2022 10: 08
              Quote: Essex62
              I wonder what external forces, in RI, VOSR carried out?

              February-English, October-Americans.
              Quote: Essex62
              Or in France WFR?

              Everything to the point of banality is simply Louis the 16th indebted to the Rothschilds and refused to pay!
              1. 0
                13 July 2022 20: 48
                That is, in February 1917, the British armed forces overthrew the Russian tsar, and then the Americans, from behind a puddle, rowed up and strangled Kerensky's darling? winked lol It’s good for you, bourgeois liberals, your brains have been corrected. laughing The power of the zakhrebetnikov, in the Republic of Ingushetia, was controlled by the Russian People, only he and no one else. Stop talking nonsense and watering the truly People's Soviet power with substance.
                1. +2
                  14 July 2022 09: 03
                  Quote: Essex62
                  That is, in February 1917, the British armed forces overthrew the Russian Tsar

                  Wrong definition! English money overthrew the king!
                  Quote: Essex62
                  and then the Americans, because of a puddle, they rowed and strangled Kerensky's darling?

                  what The USE campaign was introduced thirty years ago ....
                  Okay, I'll refresh your memory.
                  Trotsky is the creator of the Great October Revolution. I hope you know about Trotsky's tour of the United States on the eve of the February Revolution? And about how Trotsky was heavily patronized by US President Wilson and .... a banker, one of the founders of the FRS, Comrade Jacob Schiff, and Schiff for a minute, financed not only Japan during the Russo-Japanese War, but also the 1905 revolution!
                  The second great Leninist Comrade Sverdlov. The younger brother of Yakov Mikhailovich, Benya Sverdlov, was an American banker, had close ties with the Kuhn, Leib and Co bank ... and who was the owner of this bank? Ba! Familiar faces...Jacob Schiff himself!
                  laughing Cool, yes .. Alexander ?!
                  Quote: Essex62
                  It’s good for you, bourgeois liberals, your brains have been corrected

                  Do you want to talk about bourgeois liberals? So I have the same thing about them! That the liberals, that the Bolsheviks had one wallet! Estimate laughing
                  Quote: Essex62
                  The power of the zakhrebetnikov, in the Republic of Ingushetia, was controlled by the Russian People

                  The people that drew, where you turn, it went there ... an old Russian proverb!
                  The question is who twisted the drawbar, who pulled the ropes? Yes ... and I haven’t reminded you of the Steam Engine business yet! wink Save, so to speak, your consciousness bully
                  Quote: Essex62
                  Stop talking nonsense and watering, truly People's Soviet power, with substance.

                  what And what is the nationality of the Soviet government ... do not tell me?
                  1. 0
                    14 July 2022 12: 48
                    I will only answer one thing to your bourgeois nonsense and fecal insinuations - the RSFSR-USSR was created by the victorious proletariat. And Leiba Bronstein received a pumpkin hatchet for everything that he messed up, as a result. I spit on the fabrications of the promoters of inhuman capitalism.
                    1. +2
                      14 July 2022 14: 14
                      Quote: Essex62
                      I will answer only one thing to your bourgeois nonsense and fecal insinuations

                      Have you even tried to read the history of the CPSU? Or at least wondered where the Third Congress of the RSDLP was held?
                      Quote: Essex62
                      And Leiba Bronstein got a hatchet on a pumpkin

                      laughing Lenin was lucky, he died on time ...
                      Quote: Essex62
                      I spit on the fabrications of the promoters of inhuman capitalism.

                      Eco is hurting you, just like the Ukrainians from the Russian spirit! laughing
                      By the way, how do you feel about the NWO in Ukraine?
                      1. 0
                        15 July 2022 10: 08
                        fool am (very short text).
                      2. +2
                        15 July 2022 10: 14
                        Quote: Essex62
                        (very short text).

                        I hope you put a pot on your head .... because it hurts to knock on your head like that !!! Does the echo in your head bother you?
    10. 0
      12 July 2022 17: 03
      which Peskov is forced to explain the words of VVP - he probably understands them better

      If you understand only Peskov, no doctor can help you Yes

      Do not rush to be indignant: I realized that it was a perdimonocle! Ugh... a joke
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    12. MMX
      +6
      12 July 2022 18: 42
      Hmm, here from the sofa you see this:
      They expected a blitzkrieg in the spirit of Crimea 2.0, but they got it in the teeth. Perhaps there was no plan B and we had to invent it on the go, paying for it with the blood of thousands of soldiers (and even more civilians). Along the way, putting a good face on a bad game, but for the domestic consumer, it will do.
      The reputational losses from the low efficiency of the army are huge (and they will definitely backfire on us).
      Thanks to the USSR for the huge stocks of weapons - they opened the egg-pod and draw from it for a sweet soul. So they got to the junk T-62, because the T-72 (even with an armored rag) "suddenly" turned out to be helpless against anti-tank systems and quickly ran out (we will not count the crews, since they are of no value, apparently).
      The Aerospace Forces have quieted down and terrifiedly stay away from the LBS (preferring to shoot from a cabriolet towards the enemy), and for the most part they don’t think of flying for it at all - the first weeks of the war showed that even the outdated air defense of Ukraine is capable of stopping our aircraft.
      The victorious reports about the buildup of drones were not worth the paper they were written on. There are rumors that billions have gone "in the wrong direction" ...
      One hope for the saints KR and Caliber. But they are not pies either (there was information that the electronics on them are still bourgeois).
      With such a set of cards, they are now sitting at the top, and are wondering how they can get out of this all further. Perhaps they are waiting for Ukraine to agree to come to the negotiations and there to demand (ask?) to sign a peace treaty, making "gestures of good will" on occasion, and without.

      PS
      Somewhere in the rear, Arkady Babchenko is wiping his award Abrams...
    13. -4
      12 July 2022 19: 33
      The President's speech that the country is now fighting at half strength. If there were no sanctions, we would not have felt it. The main part of the non-operational units are located in the places of deployment and, if necessary, can wage one or two more similar wars in parallel, for example, with the Baltic republics.
    14. -3
      12 July 2022 20: 19
      Read my big comment.
    15. rtv
      0
      12 July 2022 23: 07
      Well, I'm not an intellectual either, but I see it this way - the Great Game is underway, where the stakes are very high and Ukraine is only one episode of this game. And Putin simply made it clear to his rivals that not all the cards are on the table yet. Why doesn't he post them? Because he doesn't think it's necessary. You can blame him for this and it is your right. But I believe Putin as long as the battlefield is his. But I was once for Bolotnaya, because. tired of GDP and was against it ...
    16. +3
      13 July 2022 00: 30
      When you are called to war, then it will be considered that they started.
    17. +6
      13 July 2022 01: 58
      Quote: Gato
      explain who can

    18. 0
      13 July 2022 06: 44
      Inspired by the words from the song: "When we retreat, it is we who go forward" (C).

      As a person surrounded by an army, but far from it for a long time, I also don’t understand how to START SOMETHING according to ... defensive doctrine? Wait until the adversary spuds our territory "to the full depth", or what?
    19. -1
      13 July 2022 07: 29
      Quote: Gato
      It is clear that nothing is clear.
      And not only from the article, but in general: apparently, I belong to the category of people to whom Peskov is forced to explain the words of VVP - he probably understands them better.
      If “we didn’t even start”, then what is happening now and when will we start? And will we start at all? Why does the General Staff follow a doctrine that doesn't work?
      It seems that Russia is fighting with the middle finger of its left hand, all the while waiting for some mysterious event - either NATO should be ashamed and ask for forgiveness, or China should attack Formosa and grapple with the United States, or reptilians capture Washington or some other global perdimonocle.
      In short, take pity on the intellectual cripple - explain whoever can crying

      Nobody will sign anything. Ukraine has enough strength to continue resistance. And even if they do, it is already a frozen conflict, like in Karabakh. Constant skirmishes along the demarcation line
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  2. +68
    12 July 2022 04: 03
    It's called "pull the owl on the globe". First we heard about the "goodwill gesture" in relation to the Serpent, then about the cooks and drivers from Azov, today they are dispersing all day about saltpeter in Novaya Kakhovka, and now we hear about the "Gerasimov doctrine". Don't you think, dear analysts, that there is a place to be an ordinary impotence?
    1. +28
      12 July 2022 04: 58
      It is not ordinary, it is political impotence, because the army was generally prepared for the war of yesterday, hence the absence of the same ubpl, which are contemptuously called "weapons against the Papuans." However, in Karabakh this weapon was used what is called, wisely, and inflicted the army of Karabakh has suffered significant damage, but they don’t even want to learn from our mistakes!
      1. +35
        12 July 2022 08: 52
        Quote: Thrifty
        for the army was generally prepared for the war of yesterday,

        If the army was really prepared for war, and precisely to yesterday's war days, then we would now have 40 (at least forty) trained motorized rifle divisions.
        And if we now had 40 well-coordinated motorized rifle divisions!! And the motorized rifle division is a powerful and formidable force .. and very effective.
        It is in a front-line situation that a motorized rifle division has all the proven methods and techniques of action and response, for any conceivable and unimaginable situations, in front-line conditions.
        40 motorized rifle divisions, commanded by generals yesterday would end this war as soon as possible. And they would finish it at the Chop point.
        IMHO.. sure.
        1. +18
          12 July 2022 09: 16
          I have two options. Or we wait until the economy collapses and the collapse begins in the west. Or there is no one to fight, and the army was reformed on paper.
          1. +2
            12 July 2022 18: 23
            Exactly - the second option. And even now, little has changed - among my friends there are those who still serve, so those who have not yet left, you know where, they say that the number of checks in units has increased significantly, but they check the same ones that came "from above" before , and check what they are used to - documentation, appearance, uniform.
            And our economy will collapse much earlier, and with a big bang, than the Western one.
        2. +4
          12 July 2022 10: 52
          Quote: ammunition
          then we would now have 40 (at least forty) trained motorized rifle divisions

          This is most likely impossible either economically, or demographically, or politically. Forty divisions is only 6-8 thousand tanks. And infantry, especially trained, where to get so much? One of the main problems of the NWO is the lack of infantry. There is no one to guard tank units even for overnight stays. And you want forty divisions.

          And the losses would still be very serious. With such a threat, the West would supply Ukraine with even more modern weapons, in large quantities. Thousands of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles would burn, and the infantry would hide in the cracks from constant arrivals. They would have won, but the victory would have been pyrrhic.

          Quote: ammunition
          And they would finish it at the Chop point.

          And dozens of cities destroyed in the trash would lie in front of us. And the question would arise - why is this all? Wouldn't it have been easier just to gasp?

          I don't believe in such strategies. They already worked poorly in the Second World War, judging by the losses and long-term consequences. And now they don't even work.
          1. -1
            12 July 2022 17: 54
            I admit that a critical point will come and we will have to "gasp" with something of limited power, if they talk about it in the West, then we should not exclude this option either. What have you been waiting for 30 years? That the West will burn with love for Russia? Now, with our money, with our gas, with our metal, weapons are being prepared for our murder.
            1. 0
              14 July 2022 16: 37
              While the West takes a limited part in the hostilities, but no one guarantees that NATO will not wage an open war against us, after we have partially squandered our material capabilities, this will be a critical point.
          2. +1
            12 July 2022 18: 15
            Quote: DenVB
            This is most likely impossible either economically, or demographically, or politically. Forty divisions is only 6-8 thousand tanks.

            It wasn't just possible, it wasn't that hard either.
            Yes. Tanks would need 8 thousand armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles - 16 thousand helicopters of the MI-24 type - 700 pieces. It.d it.d it.d all kinds of other equipment and artillery ..och. a lot of. So what ???? There were 64 tanks in the USSR.
            20 framed divisions. 10 training divisions with intensive training and 10 deployed divisions - that's 40 for you! With the possibility of deployment in 2 weeks, at the expense of reserve specialists. Only the service life (intensive training) needed to be increased .. to a minimum of 1.5 years.
            ------------
            You say - would the tanks burn? Oh is it!!! Yes, a motorized rifle division is not a stupid column of equipment for you! This is a powerful organism with a well-developed defense against any threats, even from the air, even from the ground.
            1. +1
              12 July 2022 19: 02
              Quote: ammunition
              You say - would the tanks burn? Oh is it!!! Yes, a motorized rifle division is not a stupid column of equipment for you! This is a powerful organism with a well-developed defense against any threats, even from the air, even from the ground.

              When the enemy has a new generation of weapons, the power of the previous generation may not work.
        3. 0
          13 July 2022 07: 34
          Quote: ammunition
          Quote: Thrifty
          for the army was generally prepared for the war of yesterday,

          If the army was really prepared for war, and precisely to yesterday's war days, then we would now have 40 (at least forty) trained motorized rifle divisions.
          And if we now had 40 well-coordinated motorized rifle divisions!! And the motorized rifle division is a powerful and formidable force .. and very effective.
          It is in a front-line situation that a motorized rifle division has all the proven methods and techniques of action and response, for any conceivable and unimaginable situations, in front-line conditions.
          40 motorized rifle divisions, commanded by generals yesterday would end this war as soon as possible. And they would finish it at the Chop point.
          IMHO.. sure.

          The problem is that the state cannot afford to maintain these 40 divisions in peacetime, because there are other types of troops besides them.
          1. +1
            13 July 2022 08: 23
            Quote: Pilat2009
            The problem is that the state cannot afford to maintain these 40 divisions in peacetime

            So for this, framed divisions were created in the USSR. Framed - these are divisions numbering several hundred people. busy with the storage and maintenance of a full set of all materiel of the division .. pending deployment with the help of PPLS.
      2. +5
        12 July 2022 17: 17
        for the army was generally prepared for the war of yesterday,

        belay
        So the stripes in the General Staff received people's money in vain +
        Medical care, including free dental prosthetics.
        Spa vacation for the whole family.
        Free transport service, including luggage up to 20 tons.

        Yes, and in the Ministry of Defense there are only strategists and strategists (on the right, the one that is responsible for the distribution of cash flows)


        We don't even want to learn from our mistakes!

        Study No. it's a long time, it's necessary, it costs money and you can't try it on.
        Why study? If you do not have a crowd of competitors on a step below?
        “They will still buy (pah-crossed out) leave them in their positions”
        The army is a cross section of society, our government has been wiping its pants in the government for 20 years, with “outstanding” results in the economy: NEGATIVE GROWTH DYNAMICS (GDP, economy, ruble, again)
        1. +2
          13 July 2022 16: 30
          .... and in the photo for sure - "mummers"
      3. +2
        12 July 2022 18: 19
        When a significant part of the personnel, including most of the cadets of military schools, spent three months annually preparing for parades, I don’t know what kind of wars, even yesterday, even the day before yesterday, our army was preparing. So you can only prepare for a war that will definitely never happen. But here you go!
      4. +3
        13 July 2022 12: 03
        for the army was generally prepared for the war of yesterday
        No, that's not the problem. And the fact that we do not receive reliable information on the system from below on Znamenka, since at each level there is a thief who implements some kind of fraudulent scheme and sends peppy reports to the top with non-existent data. Therefore, literate people from the General Staff who are well aware of modern methods of warfare are confident that rearmament is underway, the state defense order is being carried out, the units are staffed, etc. And really, it's not even close. The main thing is that this was already clear from the results of the “fight” against covid, when there were no adequate statistics, people took measures like flies not from the bacillus, but from the fight against it, but Putin reported that “we did a great job,” and, apparently, I believed in this myself. Although even then it was possible to understand that the state was not working, and to take measures. But no one drew any conclusions, so they actively began the SVO, relying on peppy reports from below, being sure that they would quickly change the style of war with an unfavorable reaction from the population and more active resistance from the enemy (I don’t think that they didn’t calculate the “negative” scenario of events in advance.) And when the need arose to quickly build up forces and support our troops in the occupied territories, it turned out that there was nothing to do. There is nothing in the warehouses, there are not enough personnel in the units, etc.
    2. +4
      12 July 2022 12: 31
      volandkit. Reminds me of a husband's explanation to his wife what's the difference in treason. If they have you, then they have us. If I have it, that means we have them. ------- About impotence, this is through the eye. If you can’t do it yourself, but you can, you still participate. That is, they have Russia and the people of Russia, the rest seem to live in Russia. But from this they have a profit that all the people of Russia have.
  3. +18
    12 July 2022 04: 08
    The vision of the Chief of the General Staff of the armed conflict from 2013 surprisingly coincides with the initial stage of the special operation in Ukraine.

    Does it match?! Yes, they sculpted on it! Clumsily according to the clumsy "doctrine".
  4. +11
    12 July 2022 04: 18
    We need modern Suvorovs.
    1. +25
      12 July 2022 04: 31
      Quote: Anadyrean
      We need modern Suvorovs.

      And Stalin and Zhukov ...
      But alas ...
      1. +9
        12 July 2022 05: 22
        And Stalin and Zhukov ...

        That's it!
      2. -39
        12 July 2022 05: 28
        The first surname on your list does not mean a completely correct comparison, I can say provocative, at the level of understanding of cattle.
        Stalin lived in a different era, in a different paradigm of existence, with different challenges and ways to solve them.

        We cannot, in today's world realities, exist in a vacuum - social, political, informational, cultural. And only in the last place in the military.
        Otherwise, we will become outcasts and enemies of the whole world. Such people are crushed mercilessly, by the whole world.
        1. +29
          12 July 2022 06: 29
          Madam, we have long been outcasts for the whole world, one might say from the very beginning. Russia, the Russian Empire, the USSR, Russia, was constantly considered an enemy for "the entire civilized world." It’s just that it’s impossible to crush, it’s already becoming a habit in Europe once a century to get rid of Russia.
          1. -2
            12 July 2022 11: 36
            Europe is not the whole world.
            A huge number of countries build their relations precisely on the global provisions of good and evil. China + India + UAE + Egypt + Pakistan + Brazil - countries with a gigantic population, accounting for more than 2/3 of the world's population.

            As soon as we behave like beasts and begin to respond, similarly to Ukraine, we will immediately lose the support that we have.

            Yes, Europe is pissing us - in their brains we are a threat to them since the 13th century. But the rest of the countries of Asia + Africa + Latin America remember the good that Russia did for them. And they really hope that Russia will remain the same strong, but noble and fair.

            And to those couch cheers-patriots that ORUT about nuclear war, I advise you to sign up as volunteers and go to the Donbass. There, showing off and viciousness will fly off from you vividly.

            And I'm a man, not a lady! laughing
            1. +4
              12 July 2022 13: 02
              In the West, these two concepts are confused, hence the LGBT. And leave fairy tales about nobility in international relations to the diplomats, though in the West they didn’t give a damn. In the 70s, the German Chancellor, even the President of the United States, could not offend, and now the Ambassador of Ukraine once and twice. Well, further down the list.
            2. +3
              12 July 2022 13: 12
              Dear, are you in the Donbass? I would be happy, but 2001 was commissioned cleanly, with removal from military registration. China and India, as far as I remember, did not put forward any claims against us regarding Ukraine. I don’t classify myself as sofa jingoistic patriots, I am aware of the Nuclear War and its consequences, and in my post, I didn’t throw slogans to you. Judging by the avatar and nickname, I confused you with a woman, sorry.
            3. 0
              12 July 2022 14: 43
              Instead of the small United Arab Emirates (there is less than 10 million people, and the territory is smaller than that of Bulgaria), it would be better to put large and populous countries such as Indonesia, Bangladesh, Mexico in this series.
            4. 0
              12 July 2022 16: 19
              “... Yes, Europe is pissing us - in their brains we are a threat to them since the 13th century. But the rest of the countries of Asia + Africa + Lat. America remember the good that Russia did for them .... "

              Usually respect the strong!
              Do good people love? Or - have??
              P.S. Just "piss" from Latin America further than from Europe
            5. 0
              12 July 2022 18: 02
              A German general, a representative of the country that gave guarantees to Yanukovych, spoke about a nuclear war, so since the era of Stalin, as well as under the tsars, the challenge for Russia was whether it would exist, and within what borders, and this was always decided by war.
            6. 0
              15 July 2022 11: 53
              Support for independent countries is not because we are so kind and cultured, but because they understand that if the fascist West crushes us, it will take over them, the West has only enemies and slaves, if they don’t want to be slaves, they will be cut out, and our tough actions will not make them turn away from themselves first of all, because if free countries do not support (do not care about words, you can say anything) each other's cause, the free world has no future.
      3. +4
        12 July 2022 06: 56
        And not only... Malyuta Skuratov, Felix Edmuntovichi and Lavrentii Palychi... Everything.
      4. +14
        12 July 2022 07: 01
        Quote: your vsr 66-67

        And Stalin and Zhukov ...
        But alas ...

        But even without Lavrenty Pavlovich and his "Smersh", you can't do without either.
        1. +5
          12 July 2022 14: 45
          The main SMERSH, as part of the NPO, "Abakumovsky", Beria was not repaired, like the SMERSH of the NK Navy. SMERSH NKVD was subordinate to him.
      5. +8
        12 July 2022 10: 24
        Quote: your vsr 66-67
        Quote: Anadyrean
        We need modern Suvorovs.

        And Stalin and Zhukov ...
        But alas ...

        and even better Stalin and Beria
        1. +1
          12 July 2022 16: 26
          In Odessa, after the war on crime, Zhukov figured it out better than Beria ...
          Yes, and with Beria himself, later, by the way ...
          Because Zhukov, unlike Beria, is a pure destroyer
    2. +6
      12 July 2022 14: 07
      Quote: Anadyrean
      We need modern Suvorovs.

      Twice pensioners cannot be Suvorov! Concerned about their enrichment thieves, even more so. We collect quadrocopters, night vision devices, wearable radio stations, satellite phones around the country .... shame! I won’t say anything about the Black Sea Fleet at all. hi
  5. +11
    12 July 2022 04: 58
    Unfortunately, in the case of Ukraine, we have to admit that this card played only in the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions. In all other regions, the allied forces encountered fairly organized resistance. It can be said that here the nationalists of Ukraine started everything in earnest.
    Who will tell me what "seriously" was in the same sums?????
  6. +29
    12 July 2022 05: 15
    defeat critical facilities adversary in short time, massive use of high-precision weapons and special operations forces, as well as strikes against the enemy throughout its territory. An external observer will 100% recognize by these signs the Russian special operation for denazification and demilitarization.

    Critical facilities - logistics chains from the west. Not affected, Western weapons are supplied to Ukraine. Attacks on the enemy throughout the depth of the territory are not applied with the proper intensity. So I did not recognize CBO by these signs.
    A new type of armed conflict must be accompanied by massive political, economic and diplomatic work.

    There is no information work in the list. One of the most important components of today is missing. That it is important is obvious.
    strikes on decision-making centers are seen as last trump military-political leadership of Russia. Of course, the last trump card in the framework of the conventional conduct of hostilities. If so, then the time has not yet come for strikes.

    The last trump card can be used when you lose the war. We seem to be winning so far. I: Decision-making centers are located outside of Ukraine. London, Brussels, Washington. I see a problem elsewhere: our leadership promised deliver these blows. And did not fulfill your promise. After that, will they believe such statements in the West?
  7. Eug
    +21
    12 July 2022 05: 35
    As is often the case, actions are adjusted to a non-working scheme (doctrine), and do not line up with reality ...
    1. +4
      12 July 2022 14: 12
      Quote: Eug
      As is often the case, actions are tailored to a non-working scheme (doctrine)

      From this doctrine, even from Syria, I feel sick. hi
  8. +19
    12 July 2022 05: 43
    "The Gerasimov Doctrine", or why Russia does not respond to the shelling of cities
    Ah, that's why! The doctrine is this. The doctrine is what it is and what it is no more. Everything is so clear, and even Peskov explained. "I understand why the parallel lines do not intersect. But I don't understand why they do not intersect?" (c) Yeralash newsreel.
  9. +3
    12 July 2022 06: 00
    "We must first get involved in the battle, and then we'll see"
    Napoleon Bonaparte


    We got involved, but so far nothing is visible further. Fog of war...
    1. +20
      12 July 2022 07: 05
      Napoleon Karlovich Bonaparte insistently reminded that before you learn how to fight, you need to learn how to supply your army with everything you need.
      1. Alf
        0
        12 July 2022 18: 14
        Quote: k174un7
        Napoleon Karlovich Bonaparte insistently reminded that before you learn how to fight, you need to learn how to supply your army with everything you need.

        This skill of his "excellent" affected the moment the French retreated from Russia, when they ate not only their horses, but also themselves ...
    2. 0
      13 July 2022 07: 39
      Quote: avia12005
      "We must first get involved in the battle, and then we'll see"
      Napoleon Bonaparte


      We got involved, but so far nothing is visible further. Fog of war...

      Bullshit. Napodeon always carefully conducted reconnaissance
  10. -2
    12 July 2022 06: 33
    well, yes, another Napoleon or Tukhachevsky
  11. +18
    12 July 2022 06: 42
    G.'s opus is confused and written in justification, not in action, and is of no practical interest. You should not look at this conflict through Zelensky and a couple of other officials, but see the fate of the peoples. Every day people die there and people's souls are filled with tragedy. And this seems to require completely different solutions.
  12. +37
    12 July 2022 06: 47
    The author of the publication is trying to grope for the doctrine of the General Staff, which miraculously prepared the army for conducting the NMD. "De-escalation" of the Kyiv, Chernihiv and Sumy regions - brought regular shelling of the Kursk, Bryansk and Belgorod regions of the Russian Federation. "Step of good will" to leave Zmeiny Island - caused only a storm of joy among "respected Ukrainian partners" and increased shelling in all directions. In the future, "a step back for the disengagement of the warring forces" is possible - it was tested back in the Minsk agreements, "measures within the framework of the creation of a neutral zone", "a concession in the name of peace", "a step towards creating a basis for future agreements", "a gift to the fraternal Ukrainian people to Independence Day", "a decisive move to find a compromise", etc.
  13. +38
    12 July 2022 06: 48
    I fundamentally disagree with the doctrine. It was with strikes on decision-making centers and the decapitation of the military-political leadership of Ukraine that one should have begun. The army would be disorganized and helpless without logistical support and command. At the same time, it was necessary to reset the country's logistics, no railway transportation, air communications, and so on. Bridges, tunnels, traction substations and other important transport hubs to the same place. Telecommunications, repeaters and cell towers too. All this had to be done on the 24th of February. Chaos would be no more dangerous than today's organized resistance to the Armed Forces, NATO would not have poked their head into the open because of the danger of a direct clash with the Armed Forces of the Russian Defense Ministry and the danger of a nuclear strike. But on the other hand, we would have achieved the necessary goals much faster, in a shorter period of time and on a much larger territory. And most importantly: they would have saved a huge number of human lives, both from our side and from the Ukrainian side, would have saved the cities that are now in ruins, and an incalculable number of material resources, military equipment and ammunition. Now, in fact, it is a very viscous protracted conflict with absolutely unclear prospects in terms of timing and goals, floridly described by the president "until the tasks are fully completed." For me, there was only one task: to deprive Ukraine of its armed forces, to burn out nationalism and Russophobia in the bud, most importantly, to return home the historically Russian lands, by misunderstanding and by chance, inherited by the Republic named after Lenin, whose project was recognized as unsuccessful and subject to cancellation. Putin’s phrase that Russia has not yet begun to fight, I understand how everything except the strategic nuclear forces is involved, in the conditions of using the peacetime army. What's next? Forgive me, Russia is also not rubber and not bottomless, at such a pace it is still at least two years, at least, I suppose. Can we do it? I personally am ready, but how is the country? The fifth column has adjusted to the new realities and feels great. I don't see any major changes. Urgant Vanyatka has returned and feels great, no one forbade entry. In Moscow, money is openly collected in a cafe for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and everything seems to be normal, the Edtsin Center is open, and in pike perch they beat a soldier’s guy in a hospital for a baseball cap with the letter Z. And there are just a lot of examples ... As a result, I get some kind of feeling surrealism and unreality and illogicality of what is happening, like a bad stage production in a provincial theater. Everything seems to be correct, but on the other hand, everything is done through one place.
    1. +12
      12 July 2022 06: 55
      Excellent colleague, this is just the question, why is this doctrine so liquid in real life ...
    2. -19
      12 July 2022 08: 53
      Once again for the hurried ones who need to run and run everything in order to see the result as soon as possible. In this case, dashing cavalry charges do not work. That is how we tried to act in the first Chechen war. And they only convinced the Chechens that their bandits are Chechen patriots who are fighting for the rights of the Chechens. I had to sign Khasavyurt, because this war had to be ended ON ANY CONDITIONS (C) General Lebed. But in the second Chechen one, our troops acted not so quickly, but on the other hand, pointwise and much more accurately. Because it was a fight against the bandits, and not against the Chechen people. And as soon as the Chechen people themselves understood this (and this did not happen immediately), an authoritative leader appeared in them, who was understood by the majority of Chechens. And then terrorism in Chechnya was defeated, and now the Chechens themselves will tear their mouths for Russia. Could this have been imagined 30 years ago? Or after the storming of Grozny at the end of 1994? That's why it was impossible that they acted in the old way. So the Nazis and terrorists cannot be defeated. It is necessary that the people themselves rise up against them. It doesn't work any other way. Trying to defeat Ukrainian Nazism for the Ukrainians themselves is pointless. They won't say thank you.
      1. +15
        12 July 2022 09: 44
        Do you know what kind of shisha Chechnya fattens on?
        1. -8
          12 July 2022 09: 59
          I know. 36 billion rubles grants in 2022. This is if the money that Chechnya gives to the budget (mainly due to oil) is subtracted from the money received by Chechnya from the Russian budget. 36 billion divided by 1,5 million of the population of Chechnya, it turns out 24000 for each Chechen. In year. Not a lot. But you don't get too fat either. And nothing can be done - compensation for the destruction and loss of population during the years of the Chechen wars. Considering what Grozny was turned into.
          1. +8
            12 July 2022 10: 29
            These are the official numbers. Well, like percentages in elections.
            Compensation mean? Oh well.
          2. +12
            12 July 2022 15: 32
            Prior to that, for 15 years in a row, Chechnya was allocated 60 billion rubles a year, plus bottomless programs for the development of the North Caucasus, into which several trillion budget rubles flew away to no avail!
            And why not invest this money with an order of magnitude greater efficiency in the Smolensk, Tver, Ivanovo, Vladimir regions?
            There is also Russia and Russian citizens
            approximately 1,5 million people live in each region, but these regions receive miserable handouts from the budget of 5-10 billion a year, and why are they worse than Chechnya or Dagestan?
            The fact that these regions have preserved Russian statehood for hundreds of years, endured all the wars and revolutions .... ???
            Or Russian guys in Ukraine do not fight, and Chechens do everything there?
            Of the 200 Russian contingent, Chechnya sent 10 fighters on a rotational basis, i.e. At the same time, no more than 3-4 thousand people are in Ukraine.
            1. +1
              12 July 2022 18: 41
              Everything you write is correct.
          3. +15
            12 July 2022 15: 48
            And nothing can be done - compensation for the destruction and loss of population during the years of the Chechen wars.

            And where is the compensation for the thousands of dead and wounded in Chechnya, Russian soldiers and officers? Thousands of prisoners who were in slave captivity in Chechnya?
            Where is the compensation for 400 thousand Russians who lived in Chechnya until the beginning of the 90s, who were forced to flee to Russia, leaving everything they had acquired over the years, just so that they would not be slaughtered by wild abreks at night?
            Why doesn't Budyonnovsk, which suffered from a raid by Basayev's thugs, sparkle like Grozny with skyscrapers, new medical centers and world-class centers instead of a maternity hospital burned down by terrorists?

            So who was Russia supposed to pay compensation in the first place???
            1. -1
              12 July 2022 18: 42
              +++++++++++++++++
            2. 0
              13 July 2022 08: 03
              Where did 400 Russians come from in Chechnya? How did they get there at all (this applies equally to Central Asia)? And how did it happen that the abreks suddenly went wild and rushed to cut everyone? Maybe they were wild before? Maybe they are on their own territory, and the Russians are on someone else's? Yes, almost all of Ukraine is to a much greater extent Russia than Chechnya! The Chechen terrorist Salman Raduev directly said that he had nothing against the international USSR, he was a Komsomol member and even a communist. Everything that happened in Chechnya happened because of the uncertainty that arose after the collapse of the USSR. The question arose: will Russia be the same multinational state as the USSR was, will all peoples be equal citizens, or will Russia be for the Russians, and the "chocks" out! So far, the answer to this question has not been received, and all these excesses, separatisms, and parades of sovereignties took place. We, Russians, ourselves almost ruined the international state of Russia, which was created over the centuries!
              1. 0
                15 July 2022 14: 39
                Where did 400 Russians come from in Chechnya?

                The Soviet state sent, some on Komsomol vouchers, some on distribution, to create industry in Chechnya, where there was nothing but mountains and "wild" oil fields.

                Maybe they are on their own territory, and the Russians are on someone else's?

                Now more than a million Chechens live in Russia outside the Chechen Republic, according to your logic, they live in a foreign land and they also need to be slaughtered?
          4. +3
            12 July 2022 18: 02
            Do you know exactly?
            And then Ramzan Akhmatovich called other figures:
            "... I swear by Almighty Allah, we will not be able to hold out for three months, we cannot even last a month. We do not even pay our salaries on time, the first month, if we are late, we have some noise - you know, but imagine Russia spends money on us for a year, specifically for the republic, for the maintenance of the people for (over - ed.) 300 billion...", - said Kadyrov during a joint "live broadcast" with the speaker of the Chechen parliament Magomed Daudov.
            “Everyone says that we have oil, please bring anyone, we are ready to build an oil refinery, we will give you any territory, we will give you the opportunity to engage in oil refining, to extract oil. These are all invented things," Kadyrov said.
            https://ria.ru/20220124/chechnya-1769320472.html
      2. Cat
        +11
        12 July 2022 12: 11
        It is necessary that the people themselves rise up against them. It doesn't work any other way. Trying to defeat Ukrainian Nazism for the Ukrainians themselves is pointless.

        Yes? If by such methods they would have fought against German Nazism, then they would have fought so far.
        1. -5
          12 July 2022 12: 40
          There are two big differences: 1) Germans are not Russians. That is, they are very distant relatives to us, and they speak their own German language. Unlike them, Ukrainians are Russians. Let them be poisoned by Grushevsky's heresy, but they are still Russian. And for the most part they speak Russian as their native language. And (2) - a special military operation launched by Russia without any obvious attempts by the Ukrainian Nazis to attack its territory, unlike the German Nazis. That is, from the point of view of Russia's security, the SVO is a preventive measure against the Ukrainian Nazis. We simply did not wait for the new June 22.

          Both factors mean that the fight against Ukrainian Nazism must be fought differently from the German one. And Ukrainian Nazism behaves differently than German. For example, the German Nazis did not hide behind their civilian population. Not from humanism, of course, it’s just useless to hide behind peaceful ones in those years. If the task is to destroy the enemy, then few people cared about the fate of its civilian population, and the enemy knew this. That's why he didn't cover up. In addition, many, if not most, Ukrainian Nazis are no different in appearance or speech from their Russian counterparts. In fact, they are one people. And consequently, the war in Ukraine is the most civil one. That is, between representatives of the same people. And it differs from an interstate conflict in that the Russian people will somehow have to live together after the war. That is, not like with Germany: they came, won and left, leaving the occupying power in the form of the GSVG. Therefore, one has to act only against the Nazis, but not against the state of Ukraine itself and at least some legitimate government. The task is extremely difficult: it is necessary to reformat the minds of millions of people who have been brainwashed for a whole century. But if you try to act in the old fashioned way: power plants, communications, the Internet, railways and roads, bridges, gas pipelines, water and oil pipelines, power lines and other communications, followed by occupation, then the entire people of Ukraine will immediately see that they are being struck, and not on the Nazis and military facilities. And therefore it turns out that the Nazis were right: we are really enemies, animals, cotton wool and Colorados! This is what cannot be allowed. Therefore, the SVO is being conducted in a completely different way than in 1945.
          1. +4
            12 July 2022 12: 55
            Dear, you wrote everything correctly enough.
            About this, in the Telegram publics of Rybar, Сolonelcassad and others, since March, this topic has been raised more than once

            But I beg you, write shorter and divide the text into paragraphs. It is very difficult to delve into the continuous verbal flow, reminiscent of ancient Russian writing.
            That's why you dis, for the form of presentation of thought. Content - I agree in essence.
      3. 0
        13 July 2022 07: 41
        Quote: Pavel73
        Once again for the hurried ones who need to run and run everything in order to see the result as soon as possible. In this case, dashing cavalry charges do not work. That is how we tried to act in the first Chechen war. And they only convinced the Chechens that their bandits are Chechen patriots who are fighting for the rights of the Chechens. I had to sign Khasavyurt, because this war had to be ended ON ANY CONDITIONS (C) General Lebed. But in the second Chechen one, our troops acted not so quickly, but on the other hand, pointwise and much more accurately. Because it was a fight against the bandits, and not against the Chechen people. And as soon as the Chechen people themselves understood this (and this did not happen immediately), an authoritative leader appeared in them, who was understood by the majority of Chechens. And then terrorism in Chechnya was defeated, and now the Chechens themselves will tear their mouths for Russia. Could this have been imagined 30 years ago? Or after the storming of Grozny at the end of 1994? That's why it was impossible that they acted in the old way. So the Nazis and terrorists cannot be defeated. It is necessary that the people themselves rise up against them. It doesn't work any other way. Trying to defeat Ukrainian Nazism for the Ukrainians themselves is pointless. They won't say thank you.

        Will they tear their mouths for Russia? They don’t do anything for free, and they fight there only for money
    3. +3
      12 July 2022 12: 55
      “The fifth column has settled into the new realities and feels great. I don’t see any special changes. Urgant Vanyatka is back and they feel great, no one forbade entry. a center was opened, and in a pike perch a guy in a hospital was beaten for a baseball cap with the letter Z. And there are just a lot of examples ... "You are right, unfortunately, without a sharp break and purges of this substance in the rear by SMERSH, all the victims made in Ukraine can be betrayed this substance.
    4. -6
      12 July 2022 13: 11
      You still don’t understand: we, in Ukraine, are conducting NWO. What does it mean?
      - We did NOT declare war on Ukraine.
      We have not declared martial law.
      - We did not announce general mobilization.
      - We do not send conscripts to Ukraine.
      - We do not mobilize the economy.
      As long as we adhere to this principle of warfare, many countries, more than a hundred, interact with us.

      In fact, as it has been written here more than once, this is a Civil War between peoples of one religion, one cultural group, one mentality, one language. Therefore, many countries understand us and do not break off relations.

      As soon as we switch to open confrontation - War, so many countries will turn away from us.
      1. Alf
        +1
        12 July 2022 18: 22
        Quote: bulava74
        - We do not send conscripts to Ukraine.

        And where, then, did the captured conscripts come from, about whom our heroic Defense Ministry unintelligibly mumbled and shut up?
        Quote: bulava74
        - We do not mobilize the economy.

        Mobilizing the economy to wage war will simply finish off the Russian economy, simply and quickly. Our economy is already reeling, no matter what they say on ORT. Already they planned to issue new money, but there was nothing to print them on.
        Quote: bulava74
        As long as we adhere to this principle of warfare, many countries, more than a hundred, interact with us.

        What countries? Which ones can't be found on the map? The main world players have long and firmly been on the other side of the barricade, or does anyone in the world care about the opinion of some .. wound of Mongolia or Pakistan or Argentina?
        1. -4
          12 July 2022 20: 43
          We care about all the countries that can stand next to us - both small and large. Alone against the whole world - we can not hold out.
          And whoever says otherwise is a Ukrainian provocateur. It's like patriotic propaganda in reverse. It seems that the words are correct, but in essence they are terrorist. Calling for hatred and destabilizing the internal situation.
          1. Alf
            +3
            12 July 2022 20: 53
            Quote: bulava74
            And whoever says otherwise is a Ukrainian provocateur.

            Yeah, whoever doesn't jump, he ... l ... Familiar words.
            Quote: bulava74
            destabilizing the internal environment.

            "Don't rock the boat"... And this is familiar, we've been hearing it every day for 20 years...
  14. +10
    12 July 2022 06: 52
    Special operation “Z” at the second stage retained one hallmark of the conflict of a new generation - strikes with precision weapons deep into the territory.

    Those. in an ordinary conflict, "deep strikes" are not needed and are not delivered?
    . And here there can be two explanations why Russia does not take revenge

    Kindergarten, pants with straps. The state does not take revenge, it proceeds from rational motives.
    What result/goals will be achieved after the strike on office buildings in the center of a million-plus city?.. In which one office plankton probably remained.
    The shelling is likely to intensify.
    And if the goal is the whole of Ukraine (judging by the law on citizenship), then this insane power is quite appropriate, than other people will come, negotiate, and as a result we will get another "viper" on the border of the zone of influence. And even within the boundaries.
    And for others, the educational effect will not be the same
    1. 0
      12 July 2022 07: 12
      Well, the question is not about hitting a certain geographical point on the map, it is clear that no one is interested in the building of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the presidential palace if there are only servants in it. You need to hit where the leaders are. Although it is necessary to wet in the toilets, as one fashionista and an ambitious leader of not the last state on this planet once said
  15. +3
    12 July 2022 07: 20
    Rocket strikes on Bankova (Zelensky's office) and Povitroflotska (Ukraine's Ministry of Defense) could indeed decapitate the Kyiv regime. What can this lead to? Here the situation is completely unpredictable - from a full-fledged civil war in Ukraine to the introduction of a "peacekeeping" NATO contingent.

    In fact, a full-fledged civil war has been going on in Ukraine since the age of 14. And nothing, "peacekeeping forces" of NATO are not introduced. But weapons and mercenaries of the NATO countries are now supplying regularly. So maybe it's worth "beheading the Kyiv regime"? Let chaos begin at the top! And the NATO countries are unlikely to twitch. All the same, the GDP said: "Let them just try to intervene!" And in the West, they even listened to THIS. So there is no need to convince them of this by the "Gerasimov doctrine"
  16. +1
    12 July 2022 07: 51
    Directly voiced my conclusions about the CBO. This is how it all loomed, even though I did not know anything about the Gerasimov doctrine. Actually, I thought it was some kind of "humane" Putin's plan :) . And the fact that the first stage did not come out was worth a try - after all, if there were brave military men who would take power in Kyiv into their own hands, and by and large there would be no war.
    1. +18
      12 July 2022 09: 46
      With such a "humane" plan. soon there will be nothing to restore in the LDNR ... and there will be no one for anyone ...
      1. +6
        12 July 2022 12: 12
        The plan has been "developed" for 8 years. 1 billion? winked
        1. -1
          13 July 2022 07: 44
          Quote: Snail N9
          The plan has been "developed" for 8 years. 1 billion? winked

          Clausewitz's laurels do not give rest
    2. 0
      13 July 2022 20: 28
      Quote: puzoter
      And the fact that the first stage did not come out was worth a try - after all, if there were brave military men who would take power in Kyiv into their own hands, and by and large there would be no war.

      not expensive try?
      because there are brave soldiers

      What were the prerequisites?
  17. +24
    12 July 2022 07: 53
    Well, with such strategists who, after all the bullying of prisoners and war crimes, still hope to agree on something with the Nazis, denazification does not threaten ukroreikh even ten years later. And it would be nice to throw these theorists now into the forest belt near Izyum, to put their concept into practice, so to speak. And then on paper there is a million-strong army with "unparalleled" and thousands of cardboard generals, but in fact there is no one and nothing to fight with.
  18. +22
    12 July 2022 08: 09
    "If the land becomes Russian, then only through a popular referendum"
    If the territory of Russia grew in this way according to Gerasimov, then what size would Russia be. And not only Russia, but also the USA, Canada, China. Gerasimov seems to have written himself into the saints?
    And when, at the beginning of the NWO, our troops were thrown forward, if only to occupy more territories. Why didn't Gerasimov think that the equipment might run out of fuel, that they might resist, etc.? How many soldiers were laid down and captured due to ambushes and stabs in the back? Is this called foresight? Elementary things cannot be calculated.
  19. +24
    12 July 2022 08: 20
    [quote=Boris55][quote=Gato]
    If you pay attention to the news on TV,
    And now the enemies of Russia can downvote me and the more minuses you put, the more pleasant you will make me. Let's go.[/quote]
    Oh, how, everyone who asks uncomfortable questions is enemies) but I’ll still ask. How is it that the Americans (according to Solovyov’s propaganda) are doing poorly at a price of $4 per gallon of gasoline, while everything is fine with us at the same price (in terms of a dollar and a liter)?)
    1. +6
      12 July 2022 14: 26
      It’s all just the same propaganda, we are already used to such prices and we don’t care about 100, but they still don’t, you know, you’re used to going to restaurants and saving money for retirement and taking a mortgage at a negative interest rate, snickering, sir.
    2. 0
      13 July 2022 07: 47
      [quote=Adagka][quote=Boris55][quote=Gato]
      If you pay attention to the news on TV,
      And now the enemies of Russia can downvote me and the more minuses you put, the more pleasant you will make me. Let's go.[/quote]
      Oh, how, everyone who asks uncomfortable questions is enemies) but I’ll still ask. How is it that the Americans (according to Solovyov’s propaganda) are doing poorly at a price of $ 4 per gallon of gasoline, but everything is fine with us at the same price (in terms of a dollar and a liter)?) [/ Quote]
      Because there are many times more cars and all transportation is mostly on trucks. Therefore, there is a problem not only in gasoline, but also in the general financial situation. So much money has already been printed there that the bubble is already leaking
  20. +23
    12 July 2022 08: 21
    The main feature of the "Gerasimov Doctrine" is "Neither war nor peace." There is nothing new in it. What the hell is the doctrine??? - it was in a message on Khodakovsky's telegram channel. It would be better if Gerasimov explained, or rather they explained to him, the principles of counter-battery combat, otherwise he got into doctrines. hi soldier After all, Freud was right...
  21. fiv
    +15
    12 July 2022 08: 33
    When I received a paycheck, I went for a walk and also had the feeling that "the potential is so great in this regard that only an insignificant part of it is now being used." And after a couple of days I realized that the potential was somewhat less than it seemed. And it was not necessary to undead the tonsils as a curvoisier, but to take alcohol - and more efficiently, and last longer. And there would be more money left in the bins. To another. But, I think, military thought does not stand still, and the course of the NMD itself is already making significant adjustments to the Gerasimov doctrine. And Zele's supplies "from everywhere," as R.I. Khasbulatov.
  22. +7
    12 July 2022 08: 41
    Well, again, let me remind you. Attacks on the cities of Ukraine will only lead to the appearance of heartbreaking pictures in the Western media (well, let's put it on this - we are our army, but we don't benefit from it), and will also have absolutely no effect on the enemy. Even without our strikes on the cities in their cities occupied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they themselves arrange genocide, as in Bucha. Or shelling S-300 skyscrapers in Kyiv. They are absolutely equal in the loss of their civilians, on the contrary, more Ukrainian corpses - more media coverage of the conflict.
    And why should we shell Ukrainian cities in this case? Decision centers? Do you really think that the General Staff or the Parliament are sitting on the roofs of buildings and waiting for Caliber? Instead of sitting in bunkers, of which there are quite a few in Ukraine and Kyiv in particular? What will you achieve by hitting the Rada? Demolish the building? What about the meaning?
  23. +15
    12 July 2022 08: 55
    "The defeat of critical enemy targets in a short time, the massive use of high-precision weapons and special operations forces, as well as strikes on the enemy throughout the depth of its territory. An external observer 100% recognizes by these signs the Russian special operation for denazification and demilitarization." Lies from from the very beginning! No critical objects were hit even for the fifth month! Did not read further ..
    1. +24
      12 July 2022 09: 04
      From the words of the author, it becomes clear that the generals need to "save face", now this is done with the help of the phrase about the doctrine: "this is such a doctrine ....."

      And the Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to beat on Donetsk. Stronger than in February. And stronger than 8 years ago. Just out of a cannon - - no doctrine.
  24. +13
    12 July 2022 09: 06
    Vladimir Putin was very transparent about this when he said that “Russia has not yet started anything in earnest in Ukraine.”

    Was it transparent?
    Lying again.
    Or, as always, lies ...
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  26. +8
    12 July 2022 09: 12
    Quote: Anadyrean
    We need modern Suvorovs.

    We need a ruthless dismissal of shoulder strap carriers for 1 joint in order to make room for the new Suvorovs from lieutenant to marshal. But is this possible in a system where the most important quality is personal loyalty? No. So it is necessary to change the system for the sake of personal survival.
  27. +15
    12 July 2022 09: 17
    Quote: Pavel73
    Once again for the hurried ones who need to run and run everything in order to see the result as soon as possible. In this case, dashing cavalry charges do not work. That is how we tried to act in the first Chechen war. And they only convinced the Chechens that their bandits are Chechen patriots who are fighting for the rights of the Chechens. I had to sign Khasavyurt, because this war had to be ended ON ANY CONDITIONS (C) General Lebed. But in the second Chechen one, our troops acted not so quickly, but on the other hand, pointwise and much more accurately. Because it was a fight against the bandits, and not against the Chechen people. And as soon as the Chechen people themselves understood this (and this did not happen immediately), an authoritative leader appeared in them, who was understood by the majority of Chechens. And then terrorism in Chechnya was defeated, and now the Chechens themselves will tear their mouths for Russia. Could this have been imagined 30 years ago? Or after the storming of Grozny at the end of 1994? That's why it was impossible that they acted in the old way. So the Nazis and terrorists cannot be defeated. It is necessary that the people themselves rise up against them. It doesn't work any other way. Trying to defeat Ukrainian Nazism for the Ukrainians themselves is pointless. They won't say thank you.

    If you are guided by your considerations, then in 1945 Stalin had to stop on the western border of the USSR and wait for the German people to realize and rise up? Yes, you are a dreamer, my friend! bully
    1. +2
      12 July 2022 09: 45
      Absolutely agree. Its can end only in one case: if a tricolor flies over every settlement of the former Ukraine. Only this way and nothing else. Otherwise, in eight years they will climb again, only more massively, more prepared, and NATO will stand behind them in full force after correcting the mistakes. This should not be allowed
  28. +13
    12 July 2022 09: 23
    If “we didn’t even start”, then what is happening now and when will we start? And will we start at all? Why does the General Staff follow a doctrine that doesn't work?

    Everything happens with us not "thanks" but "despite".
    And now, with perseverance worthy of a better use, we continue to hope that someone there will come to their senses and turn swords into plowshares.
    It will end, as usual, with some big trouble and an instant solution to the issue.
  29. +9
    12 July 2022 09: 47
    Russia does not want to demolish the state of Ukraine, hence the half-measures, as with Georgia, there is hope that by winter everyone will start thinking not with emotions, and citizens will be forced to turn on their heads. So far, it is clear that there is no gap, Ukrainians are being pumped up with weapons, new units are being created, and a protracted conflict has already taken place. The question of what to do with this country, territory is also open in the Kremlin, apparently they still do not fully know what to do. The withdrawal of troops from the North gave a huge plus to the Ukrainians living in their own world, we survived, we drove. If we add to this the destruction on the sly of all those who were at least neutral to us in the abandoned territory, then ........ a very ambivalent decision. Looking forward to July 15th.
  30. +7
    12 July 2022 09: 51
    On the other side, too, after all, they are not fools. They found something to oppose to the Gerasimov doctrine.
  31. +6
    12 July 2022 09: 54
    Bandera and the West have already brought up 2 generations who hate Russia and everything Russian, so the denazification of the non-state will last for decades and will require enormous resources
  32. +7
    12 July 2022 10: 15
    Quote: Petrik66
    Russia does not want to demolish the state of Ukraine, hence the half-measures, as with Georgia, there is hope that by winter everyone will start thinking not with emotions, and citizens will be forced to turn on their heads. So far, it is clear that there is no gap, Ukrainians are being pumped up with weapons, new units are being created, and a protracted conflict has already taken place. The question of what to do with this country, territory is also open in the Kremlin, apparently they still do not fully know what to do. The withdrawal of troops from the North gave a huge plus to the Ukrainians living in their own world, we survived, we drove. If we add to this the destruction on the sly of all those who were at least neutral to us in the abandoned territory, then ........ a very ambivalent decision. Looking forward to July 15th.

    what about July 15th? declare war ukroreyhu? I beg you .... here we can’t put Lithuania, which has gone to the end, in its place, let alone declare war .... rather, reptilians will land on Earth.
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  34. +3
    12 July 2022 10: 19
    DAM disagree!
    Let's hit point!
    June 2, 2022:
    “It is quite obvious that,” this has already been said, “if, God forbid, these types of weapons are used against Russian territories, in this case the armed forces of our country will have no choice but to act to defeat decision-making centers,” Dmitry Medvedev said.
    https://regnum-ru.turbopages.org/regnum.ru/s/news/3608962.html
    Someone, reading between the lines, realized that a blow to the Bendery CPR would follow only after the use of American weapons in our cities. Doesn't count as Soviet ammunition?
  35. +2
    12 July 2022 10: 21
    Others, simple question

    Or maybe Ukraine also has missiles capable of reaching the Russian "decision-making center" and in this very center they do not want to take risks? I simplify - will they fly to Moscow? Maybe that's why Kyiv was not particularly bombed.

    I hope for a clear answer without swearing and insults. Reasoning about the power of the "unparalleled" Kremlin air defense - has not yet been tested in practice, all theory ...


    1. +7
      12 July 2022 12: 56
      Quote: Timofey Charuta
      Or maybe Ukraine also has missiles capable of reaching the Russian "decision-making center" and in this very center they do not want to take risks?


      If Ukraine had such a weapon, it would have used the NMD on the very first day, right in the "decision-making center" while they were thinking how it would be more profitable to conclude a peace agreement, on our terms ...

      So definitely Ukraine does not have such weapons, all that it has - it uses during this conflict. The problem is different .... Ukraine is fighting seriously, does not show off but prepares (la) reserves, trained personnel to work with Western weapons, and even if the figure of 1 million is taken from the ceiling, then it can easily gain 500-600 thousand ... and the figure of 1 million is not so unattainable: Armed Forces of Ukraine + security forces (Ministry of Internal Affairs, national battalions, etc.) + National Guard + mobilized (who have served and have any skills in their profile), so it’s quite really get that much.

      But what our General Staff and the Defense Ministry are doing, I don’t understand .... they don’t carry out mobilization, they fight at half strength and made a huge number of mistakes, for which they had to pay with the blood of our guys .... and now there are a lot of questions, for which we will not be answered. It's sad .... this is not how it all should have happened (at least in my understanding), all the same, the potentials of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the beginning of the NWO were not comparable, we had a tremendous advantage in everything, and so they used it all, that there is nothing to say except the mat.
  36. AAK
    +16
    12 July 2022 10: 22
    Praise or even justify stupidity is a more heinous offense than the original stupidity, I wonder how "combinators" in uniform and suits can justify themselves in front of many thousands (and according to leaking information - not even tens of thousands) of our soldiers and officers who died and wounded in Ukraine, in front of the citizens of Russia who died, wounded and lost their homes from shelling from Ukrainian territory, as well as in front of the same residents of Donbass and the liberated former Ukrainian territories, isn't the price of "scientific thought" too high?
    1. +1
      12 July 2022 10: 28
      Well, yes, it remains only to Determine where the stupidity is, and Who can do it?
    2. +3
      12 July 2022 13: 25
      So they will not make excuses, before that no one did it, so they will not start either.
  37. +2
    12 July 2022 10: 28
    I tried to find the full text of the doctrine. Alas, I did not find it. I did not graduate from military schools. What I read very closely resembles the American strategy of "controlled chaos."
  38. +12
    12 July 2022 10: 32
    From which finger is all this nonsense sucked? One thing is absolutely clear. The generals do not really understand what needs to be done, and the middle link confuses radio intelligence and electronic warfare. That's how we fight. And now, chimars began to fly to our headquarters and warehouses, the facts are already there, and we are all threatening with a finger .... Solid indecision and stupor for everyone .... No matter what happens, as always happens with the authorities .... They are afraid to take responsibility.
    1. +3
      12 July 2022 17: 23
      They are afraid to take responsibility.
      The biggest problem of officers and bureaucracy in peacetime. There is no demand for inaction, but for erroneous actions it can fly and not sickly. In war, everything is different, which is why they talk with enthusiasm about the so-called generation of winners. War weeds out those who are afraid to make decisions and brings forward those who are not afraid. I hope this will happen now, at least in the armed forces.
  39. +10
    12 July 2022 10: 37
    The words - "We have not yet started anything serious in Ukraine" seem to me for some reason some kind of bravado.
    Now the state is like this - either deploy a full-scale operation, or fold and go to the bow. Half-measures and humanism have historically been the main scourges of Russia. We repeat the same thing again.
  40. +11
    12 July 2022 10: 37
    Another meme. "The Gerasimov Doctrine" is the best excuse if you couldn't!!! Cheaper than Viagra and completely domestic!!!! Get a spare. For yourself and a friend. Discount today. What if you take 3
    Pieces, then deep concern and blows to decision-making centers as a gift!!!
  41. +10
    12 July 2022 10: 43
    Quote: Prometey
    The words - "We have not yet started anything serious in Ukraine" seem to me for some reason some kind of bravado.
    Now the state is like this - either deploy a full-scale operation, or fold and go to the bow. Half-measures and humanism have historically been the main scourges of Russia. We repeat the same thing again.

    they would be glad to jump off already, but who will give them now.
  42. +3
    12 July 2022 10: 51
    Quote: Gato
    It is clear that nothing is clear. In short, take pity on the intellectual cripple - explain whoever can crying
    and me too :

    And what is grown there, what is the price for the field, is it the Potato Day today? Antoshka, Antoshka, let's go dig potatoes, tili tili trawls, we didn't go through, didn't they ask us?

    Answer: The Battle of Prokhorovka is the greatest tank battle in the history of the Earth, during the period of a radical turning point in the Second World War, in armored battles on the Kursk Bulge, summer 1943.
  43. +7
    12 July 2022 10: 53
    Quote: Pavel73
    Ukrainian Nazism can be defeated in only one way - to turn the entire population of Ukraine against it

    Ukrainian Nazism, like any other, to put it simply, to eliminate the threat forever, is to eliminate this under-state formation, created by misunderstanding in order to solve problems that were urgent at that time. At least to eliminate this misunderstanding, such as a state, any, even theoretical, potential economic, territorial, etc. interest, leaving only minor representative functions in the world. And in general, to stop the practice of "traditional distribution" of statehood to the left and right from ancient times, i.b. territories and peoples, historically and rightly, for centuries were part of our country and were abundantly watered with Russian blood in their defense. Even all the states that exist only thanks to our emperors Alexander and Catherine, they all distinguished themselves more than once by Russophobia, venality, and fought on the side of the enemy in all invasions and wars.
  44. +8
    12 July 2022 11: 25
    If in 2014 people in Crimea had not come out to meet the "friendship train" with whatever they could, Putin would have rolled back even then. Now for him, of course, the situation is more complicated - how to roll back and not run into the just wrath of the people. We must go to the end - took out a gun - shoot, otherwise they will shoot you, that is, Russia in this situation.
    1. 0
      12 July 2022 18: 27
      In 2014, I read an interview with Aksyonov Pravda ru or some other central publication where he talks about how Mogilev called him and offered to create a self-defense of the Crimea, unfortunately he did not write down the starting data, I would be grateful if anyone could help find this interview. We went out to meet the train of friendship because there were polite people behind them who came to return the Crimea home.
  45. +9
    12 July 2022 11: 25
    I have to add my five cents.
    First, strikes on decision-making centers are seen as the last trump card of Russia's military-political leadership.

    As I understand it, those people who are praying from the screens to do at least something, because it is impossible to live, expecting shelling every second, turn into a void? It turns out all the trump cards are still up their sleeves? Let's imagine a situation with the blockade of Leningrad or a situation where “Not a step back! There is nowhere to retreat - behind Moscow! with a simultaneous necessary and joyful holiday somewhere in Novosibirsk or Sverdlovsk on the occasion of studying ways of more sophisticated speculation, or we will refresh our memories of the work of Alexander Grin and make (finally) a holiday for those who live in dungeons and cellars and students by candlelight and torch .. .
    Where does such a difference come from? Why should the opposition to devastation and war be the manifestation of luxury and frills? So that someone remembers that "and in prison right now, dinner, pasta ..."
    If in Russia there is nothing more valuable than human life, then why are some people allowed to kill simply and daily, while others hide trump cards up their sleeves, hoping for ... And for what, in fact? That everything will settle down by itself or will the “good bourgeois from the West” realize their mistakes? So they consider themselves right and blame Putin for all the troubles in the world ...
    What should we expect?
    *****
    The second explanation is the country's leadership still hopes to return to the discussion of a new peace settlement. Naturally, under new conditions, in which, in addition to demilitarization and denazification, the liberated territories already appear as part of Russia.

    And it sounds like the expected defeatism ...
    There is only one way to achieve peace - to force the Ukrainian authorities to complete and unconditional surrender.
    Everything that is not a means of coercion should be discarded as unnecessary garbage.
    EVERYTHING FOR THE FRONT, EVERYTHING FOR VICTORY!
    I regard the wagging and flirting with the West as the participation of the Russian authorities in the fate of the oligarchs and the Russian bourgeoisie. It is for them that a return to the past, to past relations with the West, is IMPORTANT.
    In Russia, every ordinary citizen has long (since February) understood that only a left turn, the return of state interests and property from thieves' obshchak, only the Red Banner can revive the country, uniting it with the ideas of social equality ...
    *****
    But in the plans, this is simply impossible ... It is impossible to deny and drape what they offer to rally for ...
  46. +3
    12 July 2022 11: 35
    The problem of the "Gerasimov doctrine" as I see it is this:
    The doctrine itself boils down to a fairly simple principle that can be described as "moderately catching up on fear - suppressing information - acting as expansively as possible but relatively bloodlessly on a wide front, and as precisely and thoughtfully as possible on key goals - to accompany all this in the information space creating a comprehensive picture that is attractive to of the civilian population of the affected side - try to establish contacts in advance with the leadership of the HF on the way to expansion - the general scope of an operation of this type is calculated in DAYS.

    That is, in fact, the main. the emphasis is on instilling in the population a positive image of the operating armed forces, based, among other things, on inflating the epic power of their capabilities ("Kyiv in four days"), bribery and sabotage of the upper-middle leadership in the field of potential centers of resistance (military units, administrations of large cities) , QUALITY information support OUTSIDE of the entire operation as BLOODLESS, EXPANSIVE, positively perceived by the local population and WITHOUT RESISTANCE met by the local military.
    Here, in fact, on this "wave" the "Gerasimov doctrine" rolls, just as a wall of dominoes falls.

    Now about the problem of this approach - all this works great if there is NO long period of exacerbation. And he was - 8 years old, ladies and gentlemen. During this period, the enemy "pumped up" and mastered his information space, sated it, ran agitprop around. Including using the materials of our media, which often carried frank nonsense, regarded by ordinary people in Ukraine as "Ukrophobia". That is, part of the scheme with the dominance of our media - was great pokotsana and did not work as it should.

    The part with "catching up with fear" also had its own difficulties - in 8 years, a lot of people went through the ATO, "catching up with fear" on whom would have been more difficult. Some of them got into politics. A number began to work for agitprop. One way or another, they projected their confidence on the masses quite effectively. This part of the circuit also could not work completely.

    The part with "bribery and sabotage" PARTLY worked, but the depth of planning and the depth of the action horizon turned out to be apparently insufficient. This leads me to think that on the scale of a large country (of which Ukraine is undoubtedly) these actions as a complex cannot but go unnoticed, and therefore their lead time will be undermined by the necessary scale of actions. This will enable the enemy, who is expecting hostile actions (and he has been expecting all 8 years and at least since the fall), to take an array of simple and effective measures to combat such activities, reducing its effectiveness and eliminating (unpredictably) its focality (I mean that " deception of hopes" which apparently took place in Kharkov).

    Finally, "bloodlessness" - if on the first day a similar background could still be created, then in the future we had to deal with powerful pockets of resistance (we preferred to climb directly on them - to maximum expansion) and motivated opponents (nationalists) - so the databases turned around in a larger scale, which was impossible to hide.

    I summarize - the "doctrine" works against an actually unprepared enemy in conditions when the enemy does not have an array of masses who negatively perceive the operation and are ready to fight. If these factors are violated and the pace slows down, then inevitably everything turns into a classic armed conflict.
    1. -4
      12 July 2022 12: 19
      When Russia "really starts," power plants will blaze, and bombs from Tu-160s, etc., will fly to Kievisho, Banderstadt and other large cities. That is, there will be a WWII-style war without restrictions. But before moving on to such a phase, we simply take into account that we have to restore what was destroyed, many people in Russia have relatives living there, that is, for ourselves, we will initially have to answer many questions. And the Russian military-political leadership was initially placed in conditions where there is a problem, but it has to be solved under conditions of a mass of restrictions.

      when the enemy does not have an array of masses negatively perceiving the operation


      But he is not there, he ended along with the personnel army. It's just that it hasn't reached the stage of wholesale surrender yet.
      1. 0
        13 July 2022 20: 24
        Quote: EvilLion
        When Russia "really starts," power plants will blaze, and bombs from Tu-160s, etc., will fly to Kievisho, Banderstadt and other large cities.

        why bomb cities, what's the point?
  47. 0
    12 July 2022 11: 42
    In recent weeks, almost every day there has been news about the next military formations, combat training programs, resources and weapons with which the US and NATO are strengthening Kyiv. And it is quite possible that the military leadership is simply waiting for the enemy, in the face of the West, to lay out all the possible trump cards that they can afford. Until then, maintain some parity in the use of force. It's just not clear why the enemy can strike at our cities and we cannot give an adequate response. The same Americans never hesitated to strike at any targets they considered necessary.
    Of course, our military leadership probably believes. that the picture in the Western media about the destruction and the dead will inspire the curators of Kyiv, as well as other countries, to provide more substantial, more effective weapons, including air defense and faster military assistance to Ukraine. and this will lead to great casualties in our army. But there is one question: how do we assess our future military casualties and the number of casualties that occur daily now?
    The Western leadership will not treat us better, and the supply of weapons will not stop, no matter what it costs them, the Americans for sure. For them, I think. it is a matter of principle. A good example is the assassination of General Soleimani in Iraq. After all, they have not yet reminded their people of the number of dead American soldiers who were in Korea and Vietnam, where our military pilots fought against them.
    What am I talking about ... A cancerous tumor can be treated for a very long time, using a wide variety of therapeutic methods, but it is not always successful when the patient dies anyway. But, as a rule, if the tumor can be removed, it is removed quickly, without wasting time, and even often with the organs that it damaged. Ukrainian statehood is a cancer. Therefore, you need to beat as quickly as possible and use all available forces. If we delay, it is not a fact that we will end up losing fewer people and less social and economic infrastructure...
  48. +6
    12 July 2022 11: 46
    Doctrines, new generation conflicts, modern armies - what beautiful and useless formulations.

    Nothing has changed in the world over the past few thousand years - the person is still the same, which means that the wars have remained the same, only the means of warfare have changed. The essence remains the same - the enemy is destroyed, his lands and property are taken away for themselves, the families and children of the enemy are re-educated and forced to work for themselves
  49. -5
    12 July 2022 11: 48
    Because the very idea that you can answer someone there is absurd. But the author is reluctant to think about this, the main thing is what to write, what needs to be done, but how effective it is no longer necessary to think. To conduct shelling, you can drive a DRG with a mortar and it will slip through a fairly large force. Technically, it is extremely difficult to prevent DRG slips and long-range MLRS launches. And to bomb someone in response, it’s necessary to move to the level of carpet bombing of Kyiv Banderstadt and other cities in order to terrorize the local population, it’s not so easy to identify real command posts or locations of some important persons.
  50. +6
    12 July 2022 12: 12
    How many, interestingly, our civilians still have to die, including on the territory of the Russian Federation, in order for a decision to be made to shell the decision-making centers. To start. The presidential palace in Kyiv is located quite far from residential buildings. Smash it, Zelensky is not there anyway. Department of Defense, what's the problem. Feel sorry for civilians? Do you feel sorry for ours and those living in Donetsk? Are they consumables? Or are we humane only to enemies?
    As for the introduction of a "peacekeeping" NATO contingent in the event of the destruction of the Kyiv elite, this assumption seems to me too unlikely, since it leads to a direct clash with our troops and then to well-known sad consequences. Whatever nonsense the States and Europe carry about the destruction of Russia, they have a sense of self-preservation and unleash a nuclear war with a known result, they are definitely not ready.
    Well, or let's wait until the Armed Forces of Ukraine launch rockets towards the Kremlin. Then from our side decisions will be made? And so all is well. Well, let's bury a dozen other of our citizens, but humanists.
  51. +10
    12 July 2022 12: 13
    The article is an excuse for us to mark time in one place. Some references to some doctrines. G.K. Zhukov would remove his shoulder straps for such an operation. And for Lev Zakharovich Mekhlis, I generally remain silent.
  52. +7
    12 July 2022 12: 31
    NWO is a civil war in the vastness of the former USSR. About the mistakes of the first period, not only the military is to blame, but where are the bunch of experts and institutions with specialists in the West and Ukraine in particular. After all, everyone was sure that the defense industry of Ukraine was not working, the army there was just stealing everything and everyone, the help from the West was scanty and there was complete collapse everywhere. Well, that’s what happened.
    1. 0
      13 July 2022 15: 34
      It’s like that joke: experts say that people have good salaries, but people say that salaries are crap. But people are not experts! This means that anyone watching YouTube and even slightly interested in the topic of Ukraine could say that the Ukrainian army is motivated and armed. But we decided to trust the experts
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    1. 0
      12 July 2022 17: 12
      But terbats have appeared in huge numbers among our opponents in Ukraine, and they are also being actively formed and trained in Poland and the Baltic states.
      It is very good that Russia does not have terbats; their combat capabilities are close to zero, like any irregular formations against the regular army. This has long been tested in practice, many have tried to create something similar - it’s like an army, only much cheaper and does not distract citizen-soldiers from creative work. And in our country they experimented with this, let us recall at least the military settlements of Arakcheev or the attempt in the Red Army to create soldiers who plow the land and fight during breaks. The result is a failure.
      However, the size of our armed forces may fit well into Gerasimov’s pre-war doctrine, but it is absolutely inadequate to real threats, the length of our borders and the strength of potential adversaries. The army needs to be increased and quickly. Like all its components - ground forces, aerospace forces and navy.
      1. +1
        12 July 2022 18: 37
        Assault writes correctly, the defense system is capable of assisting in the search for the DRG in troubled times, monitoring the territory, remembering Potemkin and the spacecraft of the 20s is not necessary, we are not talking about fighting a regular army with heavy weapons, even a fifth grader can make a mobile phone call.
        1. 0
          12 July 2022 19: 05
          Sturm writes correctly, the defense system is capable of assisting in the search for DRGs and monitoring the territory in times of trouble
          There are competent authorities and the National Guard for this purpose. Remember how many people the Terbatovites killed on their land, hunting for imaginary DRGs. Weapons should be in the hands only of those who really know how to use them and are able to answer for their actions. It is unacceptable to organize a “Zarnitsa” with human casualties in your cities. And to regularly train and train certain territorial defense personnel who may come in handy by chance, or who most likely will never come in handy - it’s too expensive, it’s better to use this money to increase the number of professionals.
    2. 0
      13 July 2022 13: 13
      Quote: assault
      And where are Russia’s territorial defense troops that were supposed to cover all the regions bordering Ukraine from the penetration of DRGs and enemy units?

      I think the function of terrorist battalions, which should have consisted of local citizens supporting Russia and the Donbass militias or mercenaries from third countries (CIS, Syria, Iran), should have been control over the liberated territories
  54. DO
    +3
    12 July 2022 13: 01
    Today, the main problem has not been solved - the supply of the warring Armed Forces from Western countries has not been stopped.
    If this is solved, the left and right banks of the Dnieper can be liberated by Russian armed forces in about a year - slowly, with minimal losses.
    How to solve? CSTO member Belarus can provide invaluable assistance here. And this issue cannot be delayed, in light of Kiev’s current preparation of bills on the actual surrender of Western Ukraine to the Poles.
    1. +2
      12 July 2022 13: 24
      Belarus has an entire army of 60 thousand people, of which 20 thousand are civilian specialists.
      1. DO
        0
        12 July 2022 13: 44
        Belarus has an entire army of 60 thousand people, of which 20 thousand are civilian specialists.

        In these specific circumstances, it is not a matter of the strength and size of the Belarusian army. Because Belarusians have trump cards that Russia no longer has.
        The population of Western Ukraine has only one chance to avoid continued mobilization for slaughter, and the subsequent horrors of military operations on their territory - to unite with the people of Belarus, close in history, breaking subordination to Kyiv.
        And here the determination of the Belarusian security forces and their leader Lukashenko is no less important than the mood in Western Ukraine.
    2. +1
      13 July 2022 13: 20
      Quote: DO
      Today, the main problem has not been solved - the supply of the warring Armed Forces from Western countries has not been stopped.

      The toughest decision is a strike on airfields and railway stations where weapons for Ukraine arrive. Another option is the destruction of the railway. and road bridges, railway junctions and depots, electrical substations, river and sea ports.
      Why this doesn't happen is not clear...
      1. DO
        0
        13 July 2022 13: 54
        If the option of dividing Ukraine, which is undesirable for Russia, comes to life, and its Western part goes to Poland, then it turns out that the transport infrastructure you mentioned, through which Western weapons are delivered to the east of Ukraine and which is therefore paid for with the lives of our soldiers and civilians, was saved for the Poles. ..
        1. 0
          13 July 2022 20: 20
          Quote: DO
          saved for the Poles...

          Well, they are transporting all sorts of crap along these roads, and our enemies will get it all...
      2. +1
        13 July 2022 15: 38
        Because attacks on NATO vehicles are fraught with consequences. I’m sure the management understands perfectly well that even if someone hasn’t started the USA seriously. Now, if they SERIOUSLY decide to arm Ukraine, we will all be in a very bad situation, but not for long
        1. DO
          -1
          13 July 2022 20: 39
          Because attacks on NATO vehicles are fraught with consequences.

          Well, if you think like that, then it will be hard to hit the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ howitzers. What if this is NATO property? :)))
  55. +1
    12 July 2022 13: 08
    It is worth noting that in Gerasimov’s description of the new conflict there is not a word about the territory that, to one degree or another, comes under the control of the Russian army.

    The liberated territories should be taken under the control of units of the Russian Guard, which are superior in numbers to ground forces.
    They must be responsible for the safety of the population, newly formed military-civil administrations, industrial and socially significant facilities.
    Local security forces should be formed under the control of the Russian Guard.
    1. 0
      12 July 2022 14: 54
      Let the combat units of the Russian Guard not outnumber the Ground Forces. You forget that a significant part of the Russian Guard is FSUE Okhrana, whose employees do not take part in the SVO.
    2. 0
      13 July 2022 13: 23
      Quote: assault
      The liberated territories should be taken under the control of units of the Russian Guard, which are superior in numbers to ground forces.

      here here good and volunteers from the CIS could be recruited for a salary
  56. +4
    12 July 2022 13: 15
    Quote: military_cat
    Tell me, please, do you notice that the effect is strictly the opposite?

    I live in the south of Ukraine, I was at the market in the morning, there were a lot of people, whether you like it or not, you can hear what they are saying. So, many are against this government, just many are not against Russia, but this is for the time being until someone from their family becomes a victim of this war. Especially if this happens as a result of, for example, a missile strike. In this case, for dozens of people, their attitude towards Russia may change to the opposite. Decision-making centers are in the center of large cities; a strike on them will entail hundreds and hundreds of casualties among the “peaceful people.” This is such a complex and ambiguous situation.
    1. +3
      12 July 2022 13: 25
      High-precision weapons can “lay down” the building of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine without causing damage to residential areas, it is unclear why this has not been done yet?
      1. 0
        15 July 2022 12: 35
        It is necessary not to destroy buildings, but to physically destroy the fascist elite and their Western curators so that there is a mess, confusion.
    2. 0
      12 July 2022 18: 04
      I live in the south of Ukraine

      In this case, for dozens of people, their attitude towards Russia may change to the opposite

      Was a South Ukrainian - became a South Sakhaliner

      And this will happen to everyone who says something against Russia. Remember, you are not Russians, and there will be no leniency towards you
    3. 0
      12 July 2022 18: 44
      I wonder what should people do in Donbass who have lost loved ones and buried their children? Strange logic, we will kill you, but you can’t touch us, yes, there is a gun next to the house, the residents may die, but it is placed next to the house in the hope that the crew can kill others with impunity.
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    1. Alf
      +1
      12 July 2022 18: 34
      Quote: assault
      It seems that this is a complete bummer in the heads of Kremlin politicians and there is still no clear strategy of action either in the military or in the civilian direction...

      There is still no clear strategy in the heads of Kremlin politicians regarding their country, and you are talking about foreign policy...
  58. -1
    12 July 2022 13: 23
    The Russian Federation is obliged to legislate all its actions in Ukraine.
    It is necessary to legislate that the entire territory of Ukraine, seized by the separatists with the help of NATO, is the property of Russia.
    Then, in accordance with the Law, the military operation conducted by the Russian Federation in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia, the reunification of peoples, the inclusion of the economy, population, territory of Ukraine in the sphere of economic activity of Russia.
    The presence of the Law will designate the goal, give certainty about the future to the citizens of Ukraine. Citizens living on the territory of Ukraine will not have to be afraid in the future for themselves, for persecution by the fascist regime. The military of Ukraine will en masse go over to the side of the Russian Federation, knowing that in the future they will become citizens of Russia and, if desired, military personnel of the Russian Armed Forces.
    All actions of the Russian Army on the territory of Ukraine will comply with the Law. The law will not allow NATO to intervene, to bring troops from Poland, Romania, Hungary into the territory of Ukraine, and the annexation of Ukraine by these countries will automatically disappear.
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    1. -1
      12 July 2022 18: 12
      Aren't swords and axes used?

      When it’s a pity to waste ammunition on Bandera families
  60. +1
    12 July 2022 13: 34
    The fact that the doctrine had failed became clear after the withdrawal of the Russian army from the northern regions of Ukraine. The point of no return was the staging in Bucha, when the army was falsely accused of war crimes.

    The re-enactment in Bucha simply said that it is completely pointless to negotiate with the enemy on anything in this operation and expect him to act within the framework of the Geneva Conventions. However, the Gerasimov doctrine also provides for a change in political leadership, which we have not yet resorted to. It’s just that in a changing environment you need to quickly change tools. Attacks on warehouses and troop locations are not convincing; it is necessary to add to the goals the working apparatus for developing analysis and decisions of the Supreme Commander. Didn't even get that? It is necessary to extinguish the light by striking energy objects (not nuclear ones). The doctrine is not bad. The execution is worse. At least that's how I see it from the couch. At the same time, I would like to note that approximately the same thing is beginning in Kazakhstan. And we are not active there. But there it can bring us no less troubles than in Ukraine, and even greater ones...
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  62. +5
    12 July 2022 13: 36
    Russia has not yet fully realized itself within the framework of a special operation in the classical sense, and the actions of the allied forces are now as if in limbo.

    And, can the word “Russia” be replaced with full name and position?
  63. +4
    12 July 2022 13: 58
    For some reason, Gerasimov’s doctrine does not talk about preserving the lives of his people and his soldiers. We are all afraid of what they will say about us in the West. It doesn’t matter what they say, every day they lie that we are the ones who kill civilians and everyone believes it. Therefore, it is necessary to wage the war with minimal losses and take care of the soldiers. We are Russians and therefore we will win - A.V. Suvorov.
    1. 0
      12 July 2022 16: 59
      We are all afraid of what they will say about us in the West.
      And this was the main thing for the authorities until February 24.02.2022, XNUMX, when patience came to an end. But if for Putin this point was the day the operation began, then for other representatives of the ruling elite this reached very slowly and not yet reached everyone.
  64. +2
    12 July 2022 14: 10
    The author, alas, does not mention with which words Gerasimov’s article begins, which was dubbed the “Gerasimov Doctrine.”

    In the XNUMXst century, there is a tendency to erase the differences between the state of war and peace. Wars are no longer declared, and once they begin, they do not follow the pattern we are accustomed to.


    I think it's very symbolic.

    Primary source: https://vpk-news.ru/articles/14632
  65. +2
    12 July 2022 14: 55
    Okay, we’re not hitting the infrastructure, but high-mars and other complexes are somehow delivered to them.
    Why don't we destroy the supply lines? Are we waiting for them to begin a large-scale attack on our positions? We hit warehouses and central control centers, and they hit (they can hit) - reconnaissance helps them, their UAVs are better than ours.
  66. +2
    12 July 2022 15: 06
    Quote: Alexander Matrosov
    Quote: Anadyrean
    We need modern Suvorovs.

    We need a ruthless dismissal of shoulder strap carriers for 1 joint in order to make room for the new Suvorovs from lieutenant to marshal. But is this possible in a system where the most important quality is personal loyalty? No. So it is necessary to change the system for the sake of personal survival.


    I don't agree. If Stalin had done this in 41, we would have been left without generals. Such, for example, as Rokossovsky, Rotmistrov and many others, almost all of them. After the mess near Moscow, Hitler fired a lot of people. And what is the result?
  67. 0
    12 July 2022 15: 20
    Rocket strikes on Bankova (Zelensky's office) and Povitroflotska (Ukraine's Ministry of Defense) could indeed decapitate the Kyiv regime. What can this lead to? Here the situation is completely unpredictable - from a full-fledged civil war in Ukraine to the introduction of a "peacekeeping" NATO contingent.


    I believe that a strike on the center of Kyiv will give nothing but a picture of the destruction of the “center of a peaceful city” for the Western media. And a corresponding howl from their side. Those who sit there (if they sit) don’t decide anything anyway.

    The management also believes that their time to eliminate them prematurely will come. Who would you prefer to see in the leadership of a country fighting against you: a bunch of stoners on coke, like now, or people, say, at the level of members of the State Defense Committee of the USSR in 1945?
  68. 0
    12 July 2022 15: 42
    Quote: Altmann
    It reminds me a little of the French campaign in Algeria, but the result was a little different. am
    the same - those who lost were those who were fascists, i.e. Western culture (Anglo-Saxon)
  69. GNM
    +1
    12 July 2022 16: 10
    The article is good in that it provoked a fruitful discussion of the serious aspect of the SVO; I’m glad that hysteria and empty “shit” did not occur.
    I personally like the opinions of pavel73, boris55, cobra. I also found a lot of useful information in the opponents of the “Gerasimov Doctrine”.
    There would be more such in-depth articles on VO. I think in the General Staff there are people responsible for studying public opinion, so this article and discussion will be useful for them for analysis.
  70. +1
    12 July 2022 16: 52
    The doctrine is from a time when everyone around is partners, and the enemies are terrorists or petty, presumptuous dictators with whom you can not fight, but force them to peace by force. On February 24, 2022, the world changed - hypocritical masks were dropped. For a new time, a new doctrine or a well-forgotten old one is needed.
    The time of the army as a peacekeeping force has passed; the time of the classical army is ahead.
    We are still fighting in the old way - BTG instead of battalions, regiments, brigades, divisions and armies. Tactics instead of operational art and strategy. But the understanding that it is impossible to fight like this is already coming. Or rather, it is possible to fight, but it is either impossible to win or it is possible, but very long and difficult.
    We will have to remember the forgotten experience of the Great Patriotic War.
    Strategy without tactics is the slowest path to victory. Tactics without strategy is just vanity before defeat. Sun Tzu.
  71. -3
    12 July 2022 17: 24
    Ja, ja, das ist fantastisch!
  72. +1
    12 July 2022 17: 35
    In general, the military-political leadership should not get stuck in any doctrines of 10 years ago, in our age this is a lot, new classes of weapons are appearing...
    You have to think creatively, and quickly. And not like with CAA - three months wasted on awareness.
    You have to learn as you go. The same Suvorov always studied everything new in military science that was available to him, but he did not conduct a single battle according to the template, and won everything. And where he was engaged in strengthening the borders - in the Kuban and in the north-west - he also did it with high quality, for a century.
    Finally, Gerasimov visited the front, in the fourth month of the Northern Military District, and maybe he came up with something new, we’ll see. But...why on the fourth, and not on the second, say? Affairs? Which ones are more pressing?
    The same Varenikov sat in Afghanistan almost constantly, over the 40th Army from the Moscow Region, in order to promptly resolve issues from the ministry.
    And now is there anyone to connect “earth” with “heaven”?
  73. +5
    12 July 2022 17: 50
    So Gerasimov launched a cavalry attack on Kyiv with an unprepared army, without supplies, without aviation support for columns of equipment, without logistics. No, he is not at all fit to be a chief of general staff. Maximum for a brigade.
  74. 0
    12 July 2022 18: 02
    Quote: military_cat
    Quote: Pavel73
    this is a struggle not for territory and resources, but for the minds and souls of people

    Tell me, please, do you notice that the effect is strictly the opposite?

    Quote: military_cat
    Quote: Pavel73
    Do you know what exactly the effect is?

    Yes - a clear, absolute and total hatred of Russia and Russians. And if the position "we'll take our own, and those who are dissatisfied with the wall", for all its inhumanity, has internal logical consistency, then "the struggle by military methods for the souls of people" with the total antagonization of everything and everything against itself clearly has goals and methods that contradict each other. And that means either that target is wrong, or the method.

    Well said, neither subtract nor add, damn it!
    1. 0
      12 July 2022 18: 33
      Thank you. (The text of this comment is too short and, in the opinion of the site administration, does not contain useful information.)
  75. -1
    12 July 2022 18: 37
    Well, I didn’t see 50 percent of the 2013 doctrine at all
  76. 0
    12 July 2022 18: 45
    Vladimir Putin expressed himself very transparently on this matter when he said that
    “Russia hasn’t started anything in earnest yet in Ukraine.”
    You know, there is this joke about a man with an unnaturally large head who robbed passers-by, hiding behind a fence and sticking out only his head:
    - Give me the money, otherwise I’ll come out all over.
  77. +3
    12 July 2022 18: 47
    Friends, this is all primary chatter, apparently, the country’s leadership and our generals somehow did not really imagine the further picture of the conduct of hostilities in Ukraine, all these visits, withdrawals, gestures of goodwill, and so on verbal lobood, somehow weak are adjacent to real military operations, complete conspiracy theories... There will be nothing mysterious and a miracle weapon will not appear, even if Mr. Zelensky unexpectedly dies or his comrades accidentally kill him. .But the reality will be harsh, it is already becoming clear to everyone that Ukraine in the administrative-territorial form in which it now exists simply for the security of Russia should not exist, whether someone in our country’s leadership likes it or not. Now several tasks face our Armed forces. The main thing is to secure the border with the Russian Federation, this is the most important problem, imagine tomorrow Bryansk, Kursk, Belgorod will burn and explode in ruins, everyone understands what happens next. Second, tear economically developed regions from Ukraine, such as Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Poltava, Nikolaev in order to undermine the economy of Ukraine. To deprive Ukraine of access to the Black Sea and to break through a corridor to the Transnistria region. Without the implementation and solution of these tasks, difficult times await our country. I wonder why at the beginning of the special operation we did not go to Kharkov, Sumy and Chernigov, there are no there was no power, there was panic. Once again they played as peacekeepers and fighters for world peace, but everything started well. We need to seize more territories, organize a government loyal to Russia there, organize terror in these territories against Bendera and their henchmen. Stop playing war games or Shoigu still hasn’t played enough of being the best cook, doctor, baker and tank driver.
    1. -1
      12 July 2022 18: 53
      Builder of cities in Siberia.
  78. +3
    12 July 2022 18: 51
    Well... judging by the article, the qualifications of our war ideologist are simply..... I will present a plan for playing football, which is developed by the team coach. Everything should be written down there minute by minute. THEN victory is in your pocket, and if the plan is something like this: we will go out onto the field, strip to the waist and show a powerful torso, then the commentator and we (the football players) will scream loudly and terribly, well, we can still make a muddy figure, but loudly... .. Then the enemy will get scared and die, or at least lose consciousness. Hmm... I'll go dig a bunker and get certificates for the children. And matches.
  79. +1
    12 July 2022 18: 55
    This "doctrinaire" is a bastard, he turned the army into a sharashka for "police operations" ...
    he thought that everywhere now it would be possible to sit behind a fence, as in Syria, and from there carry out “raids/attacks” on the barmalei...
    We've seen enough Soviet action in the abrek countries...
    only the Yankees can build up any grouping in any part of the world at any time...
    they didn’t castrate their army...
    but they made it professional...
    and not so much in the sense of “shooting”, but in the sense of “providing”, both with weapons and numbers...
    and we never even dreamed of their logistics...
    now that they screwed up in an unwilling manner, his entire doctrine has been reduced to the old grandfather’s method of the First World War...
    artillery, endless firing, infantry forward, if you can’t get through - more firing...
    and then they heated up the dill with a chimera - they took out almost all the warehouses - there was really nothing to shoot with...
    just wait a couple of weeks and we’ll give you a lift...
    that's the whole chair-ass doctrine...
    1. +1
      13 July 2022 15: 51
      This "doctrinaire" is a bastard, he turned the army into a sharashka for "police operations" ...
      This was the official course of the entire leadership of the country and the Ministry of Defense. All around, it was simply forbidden to call partners, NATO and the United States potential adversaries.
      they didn’t castrate their army...
      but they made it professional...
      Just like they castrated him. Now the US Army has professionalized itself to the point of being unable to bear any losses. Hence the shameful flight from Afghanistan. A professional, in other words, a mercenary, fights for money, and not for the Motherland. This has long been well known. And we tried to follow the example of the USA in everything.
      My opinion:
      The army needs to be increased by 1,5-2 times; the current number does not allow it to adequately cope even with Ukraine. Conscripts need to be turned into real soldiers, increasing their service life to 2 years, and maybe up to 3, otherwise the institution of conscript service itself is just a burden for the armed forces. And, of course, we need to stop measuring new weapons as a percentage; the number of weapons cannot be hidden for foreign intelligence anyway, so we need to stop lying to our own citizens about the success of rearmament.
      his entire doctrine was reduced to the old grandfather’s method of the First World War...
      artillery, endless firing, infantry forward, if you can’t get through - more firing...
      The worst thing is that we are fighting using the same tactics, without operational art and strategy. BTGs are not capable of solving serious problems; it is necessary to move on to operations at the level of brigades, divisions, corps and armies.
      1. -1
        13 July 2022 22: 42
        advanced professionalization to the point of inability to bear any losses

        exactly...
        only the armies of stupid people suffer unjustified losses...
        where there is someone and something to think about, the end has long no longer justified the means in the form of the sacrifices of their soldiers - it is easier for them to either level everything out or leave...
        As for Afghanistan, the pin dosy carried out their media campaign, they killed Benladan, the costs of further stay became unjustified...
        when their vital interests are affected, they will destroy any...
        It’s just that for them the army is the last resort - when the economy and coups don’t help...
      2. -1
        13 July 2022 23: 04
        A professional, in other words, a mercenary, fights for money, not for the Motherland

        a professional fights professionally - military is primarily a profession, not Call of Duty...
        No one knows what Motherland our boys are fighting for in Ukraine now... they are fighting because... professional contract workers, and quite a few refuseniks
        but the dill know... they have the unity of the nation...
        they don’t have liberal artists, activists, echo-mongers who are against the war to the last, who collect money for the RF Armed Forces, who are against killing the enemy... not strange, huh?
        and we have frightened patriots...
        ---
        The army needs to be increased, but as a professional and nothing else...
        even after serving 2-3 years, a civilian specialist forgets everything if he is not called for retraining once every 2-3 years...
        so, urgent is a question of finance, and not a question of military training...
        Another thing is that our country needs to have 100% universal military training - such is its fate...

        we fight on the same tactics

        Well, what and how were they taught...
        this is not a BTG/brigade/division issue...
        this is a question of the lack of a strategy for the NWO in principle - they come up with everything on the go...
        Sun Tzu: Strategy without tactics is the slowest path to victory, and tactics without strategy is just fussing before defeat
  80. +2
    12 July 2022 18: 59
    Gerasimov identifies the following distinctive features of a classic military confrontation: strategic deployment of troops, frontal clash of large groups, defeat of enemy manpower and firepower, consistent capture of borders and areas in order to control territory, as well as defeat of the enemy and destruction of his economic potential.

    he's just a genius... :)
    It’s unclear how our grandfathers won the war...
    they just did it all, and didn’t “single out” the selections...
  81. +2
    12 July 2022 19: 03
    We are no longer talking about a hybrid conflict (diplomats are silent - guns are talking)

    Come on... :)
    nothing like that, wallets rule there, first of all - agreements...
    Well, and guns, to advance agreements...
    and you are not a hybrid... you are just a hodgepodge... :)
  82. 0
    12 July 2022 19: 15
    Naturally, under new conditions, in which, in addition to demilitarization and denazification, the liberated territories already appear as part of Russia.

    I’m curious how “demilitarization and denazification” will happen if the territory is not occupied... :)

    Missile strikes on Bankovaya (Zelensky’s office) and Vozdukhoflotskaya (Ministry of Defense of Ukraine) could really decapitate the Kiev regime.

    missile strikes can eliminate Zelensky and the generals, but not behead them...
    there are quite enough violent ones to find leaders...
    there are a lot of authorities, such as Nazis, and they are not sitting in op...
    Moreover, each territory there has a sufficient level of autonomy and independence - we taught them...
    by and large, they need greens to knock out money and weapons and nothing more, they won’t have it, there will be another one - the same porashkin...
    in short, the author made a mess, some...
  83. 0
    12 July 2022 20: 04
    in a few simple words: if you have nothing better to offer the world, you will have to convince it by force.

    this is what's happening right now
    1. Alf
      -1
      12 July 2022 21: 00
      Quote: petrovito
      if you have nothing better to offer the world, you will have to convince it by force.

      The main thing is that the sword is steel, not cardboard...
  84. -1
    12 July 2022 21: 30
    And I am 100% sure that Zelensky’s replacement would have been more negotiable. At least I have every desire not to end up where Zelensky ended up.
  85. -3
    12 July 2022 21: 34
    Today we read a lot of nonsense, a lot of surreal articles. The fifth column is behind them. Attack with Faith and Ignore the Fifth Column
  86. +2
    12 July 2022 22: 30
    Why are the bridges across the Dnieper and railway infrastructure not being attacked? What is said about this in the “Gerasimov Doctrine”?
    Meanwhile, supplies to Ukraine are only increasing. As is the intensity of shelling of the cities we control.
  87. +3
    12 July 2022 23: 23
    The author is simply playing a role and making money....
  88. 0
    12 July 2022 23: 31
    Quote: military_cat
    Quote: Pavel73
    Do you know what exactly the effect is?

    Yes - a clear, absolute and total hatred of Russia and Russians. And if the position "we'll take our own, and those who are dissatisfied with the wall", for all its inhumanity, has internal logical consistency, then "the struggle by military methods for the souls of people" with the total antagonization of everything and everything against itself clearly has goals and methods that contradict each other. And that means either that target is wrong, or the method.

    Where does this information come from that it is TOTAL? There are nations that have been pressed by their neighbors for centuries and have learned to survive through betrayal and corruption. I do not consider the Poles to be such a nation. This is an age-old, stubborn, arrogant and unlucky enemy. I'm talking about the people of Ukraine. Lithuania, Poland, Crimea, Turkey, Sweden, Russia..... Admire how quickly they change faces, you just have to see a stranger - a German, a Swede, a Pole,... a Russian. What are they real? And here they are. Let's approach the western border and you will see how happy the vast majority will be.... We will proceed from the specific situation. Don't run ahead of the locomotive. .
  89. 0
    12 July 2022 23: 34
    Quote: Pavel73
    Do you know what exactly the effect is? Do you think that if terror is met with the same kind of terror, then the terrorists will come to their senses and stop the terror?

    Well, yes, at the beginning of the last century, ours responded to white terror with red terror. And there were JUST no more white terrorists. And this is the only effective method.
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    1. +1
      13 July 2022 15: 59
      While the military operation is ongoing, no one will explain anything
      This is not necessary during the war. The problem is that after the war there will be no explanations; at best, they will send a couple of generals to work as parliamentarians, and at worst, they can make heroes out of the military leadership. They can pretend that no mistakes were made either in planning, or in carrying out the operation, or in rearmament, that everything went according to plan.
  91. 0
    13 July 2022 05: 03
    We are so great that we consider it unworthy to declare war on any Ukraine. Therefore, we will experiment, and not fight. Continue to trade and bargain, and not fight. Talk about some international laws and rules with treaties, gestures of goodwill, and not fight.
  92. +1
    13 July 2022 07: 15
    Eclmn.... They are also philosophers and scientists!!

    The unbridled flight of thought of the Gerasimovs, Rogozins and other creative and super-talented people is an inevitable addition to the centuries-old Russian sins: total betrayal, embezzlement and irresponsibility. What will happen to them if they are suddenly wrong in their theories?

    This is all, so to speak, “the icing on the cake.” Please admire it.
    1. -2
      13 July 2022 12: 49
      Why minus something?
      It's like that. As for bridges that DO NOT EXPLODE, this can be explained simply and without any abstruse doctrines.

      With whom is the conflict? Formally with Ukraine, but in fact with NATO. And naturally, Russia is opposed by NATO reserves. It is more profitable for Russia if they enter into battle not instantly, but gradually.

      Therefore, let the trains with tanks go. It is now better for Russia to contain all this with minimal forces, saving reserves for a major conflict, which will inevitably happen anyway. At the same time turning off the gas. That is why we had to start first.

      But the fact that they are shooting at Donetsk and Russian cities is very bad.
  93. 0
    13 July 2022 11: 31
    Quote: asher
    We are so great that we consider it unworthy to declare war on any Ukraine. Therefore, we will experiment, and not fight.
    The US called the war in Iraq, not with Iraq
  94. +1
    13 July 2022 12: 59
    The second explanation is that the country’s leadership still hopes to return to discussing a new peace settlement. Naturally, under new conditions, in which, in addition to demilitarization and denazification, the liberated territories already appear as part of Russia.

    It is not clear what kind of peaceful settlement and, most importantly, who and with whom hopes to still negotiate in light of the President’s clearly stated task of the North Military District for the complete denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine? This is with that Bandera and pro-Bandera bastard who seized power in Kiev and after 8 years of her chatter about the desire for peace in Ukraine, openly, at the instigation of the West, embarked on the path of physical extermination of the Russian people and everything Russian, turning Ukraine into a springboard for the West to attack Russia with the goal its elimination by all means as a sovereign state, up to and including the mass extermination of the Russian people!
    We have ultra-precise weapons that fly through the window. Why not, in response to the incessant shelling of peaceful cities of the DPR and LPR, not strike them, if not at the decision-making centers in Kyiv, then at the headquarters and facilities of the zigging Bandera evil spirits in Lvov and other cities of western Ukraine? It is clear that the West will immediately raise a universal howl about the Russian bombing of peaceful targets in Ukraine, but is this news for us? The West has already accused us of all mortal sins in advance and it WILL NOT be any other way in its beginning operations to finally resolve the Russian question!
    1. +3
      13 July 2022 16: 10
      It is not clear what kind of peaceful settlement and, most importantly, who and with whom still hopes to negotiate in the light of the President’s clearly stated task of the Northern Military District for the complete denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine?
      At the current pace, the war for complete denazification and demilitarization could last several years. And military equipment wastes its resources, gun barrels are shot, ammunition is wasted. Our "optimized" and "diversified" military industry will not be able to produce enough equipment, weapons and ammunition to compensate for all this. This means that the SVO also has a time frame; it cannot be delayed indefinitely. If they don’t start fighting in earnest, if they don’t remember what a maneuver war is, they’ll have to end the war with negotiations and even make concessions to Zelensky, which is disgusting to even think about.
  95. -2
    13 July 2022 13: 07
    Where did the author get the idea that the Ukrainian government sits on Bankovskaya? Are they all idiots and don’t want to live? The fact of the matter is that attacks on the banking sector will not solve anything, because in Kyiv or Lvov they do not solve anything on their own.
  96. +3
    13 July 2022 13: 07
    Nothing is clear, but it’s very interesting)
    Here people write articles, speak with an intelligent face, some doctrines are named after them, but in practice everything turns out somehow not very nicely, to put it mildly...
    A new type of armed conflict must be accompanied by massive political, economic and diplomatic work. What we also observed until the withdrawal of our troops from the north of Ukraine, which was presented as a “gesture of goodwill.” The developers of the doctrine paid special attention to working with the population on enemy territory, especially with the leadership. Unfortunately, in the case of Ukraine, we have to admit that this card played only in the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions. In all other regions, the allied forces encountered fairly organized resistance.

    Actually, the reason for the failure of the “Northern part of the operation” was that our side did not establish control over the territories, simply passing through them, leaving communications vulnerable and nothing more. But it was not possible to do this due to the fact that for such a large operation there were not enough available forces, means and training! So the main thesis of this doctrine
    "The value of science is foresight"

    turned out to be the weakest link!
    And you can also recall to the author of the doctrine that 70% of new weapons that no one has seen (yet...) mostly the same BTR-80, BMD-2!!!, MTLB, BMP-1,2, 72, T-XNUMXBV, Acacias, Gvozdiki, Grads, Hurricanes and unarmored supply trucks hung with sandbags, armor plates on the doors and other handicrafts! Sadness in one word, and this became another element that led to such consequences
    Well, today it’s like in 43 and with the same DOCTRINE!
    1. +3
      13 July 2022 16: 16
      70% of new weapons that no one has seen (yet...) Mostly the same BTR-80, BMD-2!!!, MTLB, BMP-1,2, T-72BV, Acacias entered Ukraine , Carnations, Grads, Hurricanes and unarmored supply trucks hung with sandbags, armor plates on the doors and other handicrafts!
      Yes, these percentages are a hypocritical deception of their own population, under the guise of secrecy. Those from whom they are supposedly keeping secrets know exactly in pieces what and how much we have.
      Well, today it’s like in 43 and with the same DOCTRINE!
      But here you are very mistaken; in 43 the doctrine was correct and led to victory. This is a modern pacifist peacekeeping doctrine of a compact army - flawed, if we speak, while remaining within the framework of the literary Russian language.
      1. 0
        13 July 2022 20: 43
        Quote: Vadmir
        This is a modern pacifist peacekeeping doctrine of a compact army - flawed, if we speak, while remaining within the framework of the literary Russian language.

        I didn’t have much else in mind, what I had to do was stop with these suicidal long-distance raids with open rears. And of course we had to move on to the tactics of complete control of the territories. Probably these raids were meant in the doctrine as
        highly maneuverable nature of the offensive

        but how did you write
        Quote: Vadmir
        This modern pacifist peacekeeping doctrine of a compact army is flawed

        and we didn't see
        defeating critical enemy targets in a short time
  97. 0
    13 July 2022 13: 47
    Akella missed?
  98. +3
    13 July 2022 15: 32
    We received another portion of protection. Is it so scary to admit the obvious?
  99. -1
    13 July 2022 20: 17
    In my opinion, the author of the material failed to link the “Gerasimov Doctrine” with modern events in Ukraine. Firstly, Gerasimov is talking about a situation where a full-scale war is being waged, and not a military defense. Secondly, in our case, we see how politicians actively interfere in the course of the military defense, reconfiguring the army’s tasks, which does not contribute to achieving goals within the scheduled time frame. In addition, it seems that the author does not understand that missile strikes on Bankovaya (Zelensky’s office) and Vozdukhoflotskaya (Ministry of Defense of Ukraine), although they can (!?) decapitate the Kiev regime, it is the General Staff who is fighting. Without him, neither Zelensky nor the Minister of Defense of Ukraine (people far from the army) are worth nothing. Therefore, if it is necessary to solve the problem of beheading the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then it is not Bankovsk that must be destroyed, although as a demonstration of the seriousness of our intentions, it is worth carrying out a strike on Zelensky’s office.
  100. -1
    13 July 2022 21: 24
    Some kind of bullshit...