The place from where the Armed Forces of Ukraine attacked Melitopol was established

The exact place from which Ukrainian troops attacked Melitopol last night has been established.

Recall that the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost control over Melitopol in the early days of the Russian special operation. Now they are trying to use terrorist methods, shelling residential areas and civilian infrastructure. Attacks on Melitopol were carried out by the Armed Forces of Ukraine almost simultaneously with strikes on Kursk and Belgorod. Recall that two explosives were shot down over Kursk by means of air defense drone "Strizh", over Belgorod - three missiles of the Tochka-U complexes were shot down. Due to the fact that the missiles were with a cluster warhead, victims in Belgorod could not be avoided.

It is reported that during the strike on Melitopol, the Ukrainian military used the Smerch MLRS. According to the latest data, the volleys took place in two stages. The first volley of two dozen rockets was fired around 3:05 am, the second (another 10 shells) at about 4 am.

It was established that the rocket launchers were located in the vicinity of the town of Stepnogorsk, south of Zaporozhye. The distance in a straight line from Stepnogorsk to Melitopol is about 70 km.

Local residents, commenting on the shelling of the Armed Forces of Melitopol, say that if the Ukrainian command considered the townspeople to be their own, then they definitely would not give the order to bomb residential areas in the middle of the night. For the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it is not important that the chosen tactics lead to losses among the civilian population. A typical tactic of terrorist organizations.

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[tralflot1832]

Belogorovka is taken, our banner is over the administration !!!

[Borik]

Now, if they reported that the rocket launchers shelling Melitopol, Kursk, Belgorod were destroyed, this would be the best news. And the fact that they found the place where they were, what to praise them for. It would be better if they just kept silent and did not boast.

[gansales]

Quote: Borik

Now, if they reported that the rocket launchers shelling Melitopol, Kursk, Belgorod were destroyed, this would be the best news.

Or maybe they are all destroyed? They just keep quiet..
Because they won't believe it! There they were on an ambulance, back in 2015 they rode and soaked with mortars in the Donbass ..
These bastards are Amer provocateurs .. If they are caught, they will stupidly destroy them with butts ..

[value]

Unfortunately not destroyed. Today, these installations blew up ammunition depots in Snizhne.

[DenZ]

Quote from Valio

Unfortunately not destroyed. Today, these installations blew up ammunition depots in Snizhne.

And the fact that these were precisely these installations were personally reported to you?

[value]

Strelkov writes that over the past week, 4 army-level warehouses have been blown up. Somewhat suspiciously, this coincided with the deliveries of HIMARS. Before that, the Ukrainians were not so effective.

[poquello]

Quote: Borik

And the fact that they found the place where they were, why praise them for it

somehow it’s not fate to bring 2 + 2 together, dill tornadoes will not go to the other end of the dill, they will get caught more

[Negruz]

Now, if they reported that the rocket launchers shelling Melitopol, Kursk, Belgorod were destroyed, this would be the best news. And the fact that they found the place where they were, what to praise them for. It would be better if they just kept silent and did not boast.

The main thing is the capture of Lisichansk and the complete liberation of the LPR ...
And your emotional statement indicates that Kyiv's attempt to "win back" the loss of Lisichansk and the LPR in the information field was completely successful ....

[Ryaruav]

Alexander, the LPR is very small today, here the DPR will be and Zaporozhye will be taken

[cmax]

Quote: Negruz

The main thing is the capture of Lisichansk and the complete liberation of the LPR ...
And your emotional statement indicates that Kyiv's attempt to "win back" the loss of Lisichansk and the LPR in the information field was completely successful

The main thing is to get to Lviv. Apparently, you are from the department of Mr. Kanashenkov, calming the readers of the site who are uncontrollable in their statements. In each topic you strike. Lisichansk is good, thanks to the guys, but Lviv is still far away. And if the army had those weapons and equipment that it now lacks, then the losses would be less and the advance would be faster.

[Negruz]

you are from the department of Mr. Kanashenkov, you calm down the raging readers of the site who are uncontrollable in your statements. In every topic you strike

You can easily confirm this with my quotes, "uncontrollable in your statements, raging reader of the site," right?

[cmax]

Quote: Negruz

you are from the department of Mr. Kanashenkov, you calm down the raging readers of the site who are uncontrollable in your statements. In every topic you strike

You can easily confirm this with my quotes, "uncontrollable in your statements, raging reader of the site," right?

Slippery you comrade! In fact, do not write anything, but only slogans. Prices are piecework or for the number of letters. You can’t answer, you’ll still lie ...... Don’t worry too much, we are all here for Russia, for its Victory, and we regret that the people who were responsible for the rearmament of our army were not up to par and we have to pay for it residents of Donetsk and young guys, the army. Hope you get something. The Ministry of Defense and the General Staff were not up to par either, they planned something, planned and did not plan ahead. Agitate Rogozin, Borisov, etc.

[Negruz]

Slippery you comrade! In fact, do not write anything, but only slogans. Prices are piecework or for the number of letters. You can’t answer, you’ll still lie ...... Don’t worry too much, we are all here for Russia, for its Victory, and we regret that the people who were responsible for the rearmament of our army were not up to par and we have to pay for it residents of Donetsk and young guys, the army. Hope you get something. The Ministry of Defense and the General Staff were not up to par either, they planned something, planned and did not plan ahead. Agitate Rogozin, Borisov, etc.

We have for daylight hours from July 3 this year. before the start of our dialogue: I have one message, you have 5 messages...
Bot farm revived....

[Saxahorse]

Quote: Borik

And the fact that they found the place where they were, what to praise them for. It would be better if they just kept silent and did not boast.

It takes about 5 seconds for the artillery radar to determine the place. It remains to be asked where are these very radars, and where is the fire support of these radars ...

[cmax]

Quote: Saxahorse

Quote: Borik

And the fact that they found the place where they were, what to praise them for. It would be better if they just kept silent and did not boast.

It takes about 5 seconds for the artillery radar to determine the place. It remains to be asked where are these very radars, and where is the fire support of these radars ...

In the same place where attack drones, active protection of tanks, Russian Avaks, unfortunately!

[your1970]

Quote: cmax

Quote: Saxahorse

Quote: Borik

And the fact that they found the place where they were, what to praise them for. It would be better if they just kept silent and did not boast.

It takes about 5 seconds for the artillery radar to determine the place. It remains to be asked where are these very radars, and where is the fire support of these radars ...

In the same place where attack drones, active protection of tanks, Russian Avaks, unfortunately!

SNARRka...
we had a howitzer artillery regiment in the Control and Artillery Reconnaissance Battery in 1988.
As well as 2 sound-metric reconnaissance complexes - VPZK and AZK-5 ...
And this is not in the GSVG, but in the wilds of KTurkVO, in Kushka

[Thrifty]

Now, the most important thing is to actively search for these mobile strike groups, and destroy them, preventing them from turning around to strike. There are no UAVs for monitoring space, buy from Iran and China! And, to speed up the production of the Altius UAV, with its payload, really hit the mobile groups of nationalists without giving them the opportunity to choose positions for shelling our lands.

[dmi.pris1]

Production in the Moscow region works in three shifts. They do it to the maximum. The plant was launched six months ago. I don’t know about Iran, but the Chinese are unlikely to sell it.

[Ka-52]

And, to speed up the production of ubla Altius

The example of the Ukrainian theater of operations showed that heavy UAVs, the level of our Altair and the Turkish TV-2, have a low survival rate in the strike version. The TV-2 showed its effectiveness primarily in the reconnaissance version due to its excellent optics, which makes it possible to carry out fire adjustments at a distance of up to 40 km. That is, beyond the capabilities of our front-line air defense, including Buk and Tor

[Common sense]

Surely Kyiv considers Melitopol a Ukrainian city? It turns out that they are shooting at their city and their citizens?
Are they trying to "liberate" them like that?
I personally do not understand the purpose of such attacks.
This is not Donetsk or even Belgorod. Melitopol, from the point of view of the Kyiv authorities, 100% of the territory of Ukraine is inhabited by Ukrainian citizens and is currently "temporarily occupied" (as they think there in Kyiv). And at the same time, they themselves are hitting this territory with rockets, moreover, in residential areas where citizens of Ukraine live.
I absolutely do not understand this. Do their rocket men have nowhere else to shoot, no other targets?

[Pulkovo1942]

I personally do not understand the purpose of such attacks.

These are acts of impotent malice. Most likely, such orders are given by crazed officers on the ground, pushing away their own population and a few sympathizers in Russia. Unfortunately, the leadership of our country does not know how to use this effectively (like Zelensky inflated the fuss with Bucha out of nothing).

[Repellent]

Quote: B. Zakhoder "Kit and Cat"

There is no order in this tale -
Whatever the word riddle bug

So, let's go:

Quote: Pulkovo1942

These are acts of impotent malice. Most likely, such orders are given by crazy officers on the ground.

Orders are given centrally, execution takes a long time to prepare. This one has been in the making for almost a week.

Quote: Pulkovo1942

alienating its own population and the few sympathizers in Russia

Most of the "own population" approves of just such things. The task in Russia is to "rock" a vessel with a substance so that more pours out. Judging by what's happening on the site today, it's working out quite well.

Quote: Pulkovo1942

the leadership of our country does not know how to use this effectively (like Zelensky inflated the fuss with Bucha out of nothing)

Our leadership, unlike Zelensky, does not enjoy the support of NATO. Therefore, attempts to make something "a la Bucha" out of Belgorod are doomed to failure - we were appointed in advance to blame for everything, and all Western propaganda now works only for this idea.

That's something like

[dmi.pris1]

By the way, they put up a photo of the attack on Belgorod as an attack on the Ukrainian city.

[Repellent]

Quote: dmi.pris

By the way, they put up a photo of the attack on Belgorod as an attack on the Ukrainian city.

Mdya. Audacity second happiness. And for someone, you see, it’s the first

[dedusik]

I didn’t see this, but I saw that they are broadcasting from all irons that we fired at ourselves in order to announce a general mobilization

[Alexey RA]

Quote: dmi.pris

By the way, they put up a photo of the attack on Belgorod as an attack on the Ukrainian city.

Well, the German media recently broadcast about the impact of Russian artillery on the Ukrainian Donetsk.
However, the German media even pissed off even one vegan artist with their articles:

These gentlemen proceeded from the correct calculation that the more monstrously you lie, the sooner they will believe you. Ordinary people are more likely to believe big lies than small ones. This corresponds to their primitive soul. They know that they themselves are capable of lying in small things, but they will probably be embarrassed to lie very much. Big lies don't even cross their minds. That is why the masses cannot imagine that others would be capable of too monstrous a lie, of too shamelessly distorting the facts. And even when it is explained to them that this is a lie of monstrous proportions, they will still continue to doubt and will tend to believe that there is probably some truth in it. That is why virtuosos of lies and entire parties built solely on lies always resort to this method. These liars are well aware of this property of the mass. Lie only harder - let something of your lies remain.

[Pulkovo1942]

"Own population"

This refers to the population in the territories not controlled by Kyiv. Or have they ceased to be citizens of Ukraine?

"rock" the vessel with the substance to pour out more

This only levels the detachment of Russians from the NWO agenda and forces them to hate the enemy.

Our leadership, unlike Zelensky, does not enjoy the support of NATO. Therefore, attempts to make something "a la Bucha" out of Belgorod are doomed to failure.

What does NATO have to do with it? I'm talking about the internal user, i.e. the population of our country.

[Repellent]

Quote: Pulkovo1942

This refers to the population in the territories not controlled by Kyiv

I do not understand.

Quote: Pulkovo1942

This only levels the detachment of Russians from the agenda of the NMD and forces them to hate the enemy

I do not understand.

Quote: Pulkovo1942

What does NATO have to do with it? I'm talking about the internal user, i.e. population of our country

I do not understand. Do you want our leadership to inflate the jamb allowed by our own air defense in Belgorod? Why is this management? And why do you?

This makes no sense

[sifgame]

Zelensky didn’t have to inflate anything, there the “whole world” was already ready for an information attack against the Russian Federation, all the “independent” media were charged. And what happens when Ukrainian missiles fall on residential areas, but nothing is reprinted in the photo as shelling from the Russian Federation. And no one cares, Russians are by default evil orcs who offend good halflings. It's useless to prove anything. It is necessary to methodically carry out the tasks assigned by the supreme.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Common sense

no other targets?

And that is their #1 goal.

[Common sense]

Your citizens? After all, according to all documents, Ukrainians still live in Melitopol. And it's not even Donbass that are "separas" and generally "not people." In fact, the whole "guilt" of the Melitopol and Kherson residents is only that the Armed Forces of Ukraine could not "protect" them (and thank God!) And fled, leaving these territories to us.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Common sense

Your citizens?

For them, who have their own swastikas all over their bodies

[iouris]

Quote: Common sense

they shoot at their city and their citizens?

There is even nothing to discuss here.
Obviously. that these have neither "their cities" nor "their citizens." Yes, and they are not themselves.

[Egoza]

Quote: Common sense

I personally do not understand the purpose of such attacks.

You can't imagine what kind of anger has now spilled over Kyiv and the region because of Melitopol! Previously, tons of early fruits and vegetables were delivered from Melitopol, but now they are not. Betrayed! Because of them, private prices are high! Yes, and the poor market, the time has not yet come for all this yummy. So REVENGE! Yes, they even dared to ask in the Russian Federation! SEPARS! So they shoot, and this will continue, unfortunately.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Common sense

Surely Kyiv considers Melitopol a Ukrainian city? It turns out that they are shooting at their city and their citizens?

Did you just get it? For 8 years they considered Donetsk and Luhansk their cities and for all 8 years they were shelling them.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Common sense

Surely Kyiv considers Melitopol a Ukrainian city? It turns out that they are shooting at their city and their citizens?
Are they trying to "liberate" them like that?

You are waiting for logical actions from the government, which 8 years ago declared that Crimea was Ukrainian territory for it, where the citizens of Ukraine live... and immediately cut off water and electricity to the Crimeans.

Taras loved Alexandrina
shut off the water supply
then I decided it wasn't enough.
and cut the wires

©

[value]

Strelkov writes that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are actively working on the rear and infrastructure facilities. Destroy ammunition depots and weapons. HIMARS is a fairly accurate weapon with GPS guidance, the deviation from the target is 5-10 meters. Today on YouTube there was a video of a giant detonation of a warehouse in Snezhnoye. We urgently need to change tactics, otherwise we will be left without logistical support.

[Ross xnumx]

Local residents, commenting on the shelling of the Armed Forces of Melitopol, say that if the Ukrainian command considered the townspeople to be their own, then they definitely would not give the order to bomb residential areas in the middle of the night.

It would be time for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to show who is not considered their own in Kyiv ... Right during a walk with ... Right during a meeting ... Right during a live broadcast from a television center ...

[Vita vko]

Quote: ROSS 42

with their own ... Right during a walk with ... Right during a meeting ... Right during a live broadcast from a television center ...

Here on the site, some believe that Russia is exactly the kind of response they are waiting for. The official Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation speaks of numerous foreign correspondents, the official Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, Zakharov, that they are closely watching Kyiv.
But I, and probably many others, are wondering when the Kyiv regime of Zelensky and his sponsors are officially recognized as terrorists and they begin to kill them in .....

[Aist_M]

Quote: Vita VKO

Here on the site, some believe that Russia is exactly the kind of response they are waiting for.

Finally, at least someone figured out that Kyiv needs a good reason to get longer-range missiles.
Well, rockets will destroy a couple of buildings on the Maidan, kill a hundred, another civilians, will this bring Russia's victory closer? Of course not. But the whole world will say - what a horror! And the Ukrainians will receive new 300-500km missiles.
Are we ready for this? How is Voronezh, Rostov, Kerch doing there? Ready for an answer?

[Seryoga64]

Quote: ROSS 42

who is not considered his own in Kyiv ...

Yes, there is no one in Kueva for a long time. Who hid where

[Egoza]

Quote: Seryoga64

Yes, there is no one in Kueva for a long time. Who hid where

They sit in Kyiv, the Verkhovna Rada did not go on vacation, they sit. Maybe the families were sent, and so it is.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Egoza

The Verkhovna Rada did not go on vacation, they are sitting.

Well, what's the point of hitting her? I meant key ministries. Defense, General Staff. In a word, those who are responsible for the war

[Goha]

Location set! Hooray ! We're glad. Well, what place?

[Alien From]

I have a package for you, but I won't give it to you.....

[Seryoga64]

Large clearing in the forest

[Piramidon]

Quote: Seryoga64

Large clearing in the forest

With which everyone has faded away for a long time.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Piramidon

With which everyone has faded away for a long time.

And all the flowers trampled

[svp67]

How is the question of saturation of our troops with counter-battery radars and AWACS aircraft now sharply raised?

[UAZ 452]

As if it wasn't clear before SVO. In any case, here, on the forum, many wrote about it. However, there were also enough people who advocated that the entire military budget be spent on an aircraft carrier.

[svp67]

Quote: UAZ 452

As if it wasn't clear before SVO.

If it were clear, then there would be no such situation with these systems ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: UAZ 452

However, there were also enough people who advocated that the entire military budget be spent on an aircraft carrier.

Pfff ... if the fleet had lowered its budget for AB, then the Navy would have acted better. At least the fleet would have had a normal flying mixed air regiment, moreover, with AWACS. And not "doves of peace" with one gun, a crowd of RTOs, which are scary to let go from the coast, and a complete failure in air defense, especially in terms of detecting low-flying targets.
By the way, it’s interesting - where did the Black Sea Fleet go with the two Ka-31R (Ka-252RLD) transferred to it in 2020?

[your1970]

Quote: svp67

How is the question of saturation of our troops with counter-battery radars and AWACS aircraft now sharply raised?

Quote: your1970

Quote: cmax

Quote: Saxahorse

Quote: Borik

And the fact that they found the place where they were, what to praise them for. It would be better if they just kept silent and did not boast.

It takes about 5 seconds for the artillery radar to determine the place. It remains to be asked where are these very radars, and where is the fire support of these radars ...

In the same place where attack drones, active protection of tanks, Russian Avaks, unfortunately!

SNARRka...
we had a howitzer artillery regiment in the Control and Artillery Reconnaissance Battery in 1988.
As well as 2 sound-metric reconnaissance complexes - VPZK and AZK-5 ...
And this is not in the GSVG, but in the wilds of KTurkVO, in Kushka

Well, let’s put the gas station not very well - but the SNARRka worked quite clearly for itself

[Gvardeetz77]

Well, in the presence of something like AWACS, global hawks and other means tied to secentrics, these installations can be detected in real time, with a high probability of retaliatory defeat ... And the establishment after a few hours is like in an old joke, when a dove is on he shitted one comrade, the other offered him a napkin, but that he received an answer that it was not necessary, the ass had already flown away ..

[Cowbra]

Quote: ROSS 42

Right during the live broadcast from the TV center ...

And that's what they strive for. At the same time, they are just in half for the loss of civilians - both in Melitopol and in Kyiv. Bucha is not Melitopol. And what will we achieve? That we will sign that the same bastard as they are? Now they have to compose fairy tales about it, you propose to make it true. Maybe we will open concentration camps like Azov?
Think with your head. It is impossible to dance to the tune of the enemy.
It’s just that later these gunners with Dung and mercenaries will go under execution articles

[Most kind]

These are cooks and drivers, even the heads of the rem workshop were shooting, there are no gunners there.

[Grits]

Quote: Cowbra

And that's what they strive for. At the same time, they are just in half for the loss of civilians - both in Melitopol and in Kyiv. Bucha is not Melitopol. And what will we achieve? That we will sign that the same bastard as they are? Now they have to compose fairy tales about it, you propose to make it true.

Well, after all, no one offers to hammer from the MLRS in Kyiv. For this, there are Calibers and Iskanders. Which can lie exactly in the roof of the Verkhovna Rada. And an hour later - to the Ministry of Defense. An hour later - to the building of the SBU. Not even closer to sunset, by choice... I don't think there will be many peaceful civilians who died. Only stupid onlookers and those whom it is difficult to call peaceful people.

[ugol2]

Well, where are they now?

[Mountain shooter]

Well, it's great, of course ... That they found the place from where they shot at Melitopol. So what? As long as the Nazi bastard rules the VNA, the threat will not disappear. Even if a square meter remains under them ... Press. To end...

[Kesha1980]

Local residents, commenting on the shelling of the Armed Forces of Melitopol, say that if the Ukrainian command considered the townspeople to be their own, then they definitely would not give the order to bomb residential areas in the middle of the night

Arrivals were not far from the airfield. Relatively, of course, but still. Including the warehouse of fuel and lubricants.

These are clearly not residential areas smoking.
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/18218?single

[UAZ 452]

Installed? Hey young man! Only now it is necessary to install within a time period less than is necessary for these MLRS in order to shoot back and leave positions. And not just install, but also cover them with return fire. This is called counter-battery combat. And to establish the place from where our troops and cities, Russian and liberated Ukrainian, flew in a few hours ago is called a disgrace.

[opuonmed]

yaaaaaaa learned from here))))

[Crisp]

Quote: Common sense

Surely Kyiv considers Melitopol a Ukrainian city? It turns out that they are shooting at their city and their citizens?
Are they trying to "liberate" them like that?
I personally do not understand the purpose of such attacks.
This is not Donetsk or even Belgorod. Melitopol, from the point of view of the Kyiv authorities, 100% of the territory of Ukraine is inhabited by Ukrainian citizens and is currently "temporarily occupied" (as they think there in Kyiv). And at the same time, they themselves are hitting this territory with rockets, moreover, in residential areas where citizens of Ukraine live.
I absolutely do not understand this. Do their rocket men have nowhere else to shoot, no other targets?

Yes, it's simple. It is necessary to excite the local passive population, outraged by the deaths and the inconvenience of shelling. (HOW WELL THEY LIVED, The Russians came, and here you are!) Push for active resistance. Ukrobydl does not care who stepped into the trough - his own or someone else's. The main thing is to drive away and bite. Go chat roulette. You listen to this. Absolute g ..... but, if only not me. And, of course, Putin is to blame. All conversations boil down to "we do what we want at home. And you have nothing to do with us." Until 2014, they don’t want to hear, for them there was no Maidan, Odessa, Alley of Angels ..... they trynd about February 24, 2022.

[Force]

over Belgorod - three Tochka-U missiles were shot down

Something vague doubts torment me, judging by the video from Belgorod

[Rusticolus]

In order not to simply establish a place where there are no longer those who fired, and so that there would be no such attacks in the future, it is necessary to destroy accomplices, those who helped those who fired or sheltered them during the preparation and implementation of the shelling. Or at least when capturing these Nazis who helped and sheltered those who were shelling, give them long terms of 20-30 years of forced labor with minimal rights.

[Corrosion inhibitor]

And again, to the word about why let Ukrainian politicians and officials live on.
And not only them. They need a verdict, soon.

[NSV]

It's kind of strange ... A cassette warhead near a downed missile, and five destroyed houses in Blg ...

[Ros 56]

And what of it? Now, if they destroyed from what and who struck, that would be good news.

[tsvetahaki]

This is a great achievement and relief for the residents of Melitopol.
They can sleep peacefully knowing that

The Ukrainian military used the Smerch MLRS. According to the latest data, the volleys took place in two stages.

[aleks700]

It is Russia that leads its own, Ukraine is at war. And the territories of the LDNR and other liberated territories are already considered by the SVU as enemy. Accordingly, they try to inflict maximum damage. The damage is not specifically to Melitopol, but to the Russian Federation. And another question, who knows, the y points, that they can only be shot down on approach? They fly over 100 km.

[TatarinSSSR]

I, and all my friends, have one question - WHEN will they be removed from their posts and begin an investigation against the chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, the commander of the RF Air Defense and Missile Defense, the commander of the RF Black Sea Fleet, the commander of Intelligence of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces ?! Who and when will be responsible for the losses at the beginning of the mediocrely planned NVO and underestimation of the enemy, the crushed columns of the RF Armed Forces in a parade march without cover for those who left for Kharkov and during the retreat, a "goodwill step" from near Kyiv, for downed Russian planes and dead pilots from " practically destroyed by the air defense and air forces of Ukraine, for the destroyed crossings, for shelling by helicopters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (supposedly they fly low) of Belgorod, subsequent shelling by artillery and missiles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine of this city and others, villages and towns? Anti-ship missiles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, for the BDK drowned in Berdyansk, for the "critically important" snake island, and the subsequent "good will" of leaving it, because it is being brutally bombed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine?! And a lot of things like that?
I understand that there is a war going on (sorry, a special operation). Losses can be. But commanders of this level should not make stupid miscalculations and mistakes! Why does Shoigu tolerate them!? There are no modern smart and tollant commanders in the Russian Armed Forces ?!

[value]

Isn't it obvious to you that the President built his vertical of power on the basis of personal loyalty and corruption? And he will never give up this model. And therefore, even when he tries to do good deeds, everything turns out through the same place. Those defeats that you have listed already speak of a serious illness of the state. Power should be given to real patriots who think not about yachts and estates, but about the good of the country.

[your1970]

Quote from Valio

Those defeats that you have listed already speak of a serious illness of the state.

Quote: TatarinSSSR

But commanders of this level should not make stupid miscalculations and mistakes! Why does Shoigu tolerate them!? There are no modern smart and intelligent commanders in the Russian Armed Forces?!

I'll tell you a secret - your approaches Zhukov should have been shot on 23.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX
А ALL the commanders of the Red Army without exception to the company inclusive within a month ....
They allowed

Quote: TatarinSSSR

stupid miscalculations and mistakes

much better than the current ones...

[Albert Brecht]

And for you, but give-dream And what's in there

[Electrical]

They are definitely laughing! The place from where the shelling of Melitopol was established. And that there is still not a single Russian satellite in space over the war zone? All these attacks could have been stopped a long time ago if desired! This military stupidity is not clear!

[cmax]

Quote from Electric

They are definitely laughing! The place from where the shelling of Melitopol was established. And that there is still not a single Russian satellite in space over the war zone? All these attacks could have been stopped a long time ago if desired! This military stupidity is not clear!

Probably, the Second Army of the World simply does not have enough opportunities, as well as the necessary equipment and equipment. Everything stands in Patriot Park. The park is good, but something needs to be put in the army.

[Electrical]

I understand that this is not military stupidity, this is a Jewish trick! They also minus the yuds from the sly!

[iouris]

Again Manturov did not provide the army with the necessary equipment. How long can you put up with it? By the way, did he and his children (sons-in-law) serve in the Armed Forces? Not? Then it's clear.

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

And the place where they fucked up in Belgorod has not been established yet?
Zakharova again threw beads today about the inevitable harsh reaction of Russia, in the future .... How many more Nazi gifts should arrive? When they start to give a normal adequate answer.

[Repellent]

Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich

And the place where they fucked up in Belgorod has not been established yet?

If they haven't found it, they will definitely find it.

The Investigative Committee opened a criminal case after the attack on Belgorod. The case was opened on several subparagraphs of Part 2 of Art. 105 of the Criminal Code (murder of two or more persons committed by a group of persons in a generally dangerous way by prior agreement

I do not envy the commanders of the units who took part in this.

Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich

Zakharova today again threw pearls about the inevitable harsh reaction of Russia, in the future ...

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said that the attacks on Belgorod and Kursk "not just agreed with its Western curators, but most likely prompted by them". In her opinion, this is being done so that Russia will take similar actions in response.

“Those who act in this way should know that if provocations continue, they will not do well,” Zakharova said.

As far as I understand the Russian language, this "in the future" refers specifically to Western curators.

In the dill, the answer flew in the morning, in Kharkov with rockets, in particular.

[TatarinSSSR]

There will be no "normal" answer. It must be admitted that thanks to TV and the Internet, we have become a victim of information propaganda by the state and individual bloggers. For many years we were rubbed from the screen, from weapons exhibitions about our modern army with a 70% share of modern weapons. All these parades, patriotic parks, exhibitions, TV shows on the Star - turned out to be a beautiful picture and nothing more. As a result, we overestimated our army too much and expected too much from it. Now there is a severe disappointment in its equipment, in the amount of necessary modern technology and equipment. It is in the technical capabilities of our army that we are completely disappointed. There are no complaints about soldiers and officers on the battlefield - they are heroes, professionals. They are truly proud. But in the disappointment I described above, it is also our own fault - that we believed in all this propaganda and lies.

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

I don’t know how much and what our army is equipped with, and that’s not the question now. Need an answer, sign. So that all Ukraine hears and learns. The building of the Ukrainian General Staff, the building of the Rada, or something like that would just fit. I think that the RF Armed Forces will have a couple of calibers for this purpose.

[TatarinSSSR]

There are calibers. There is no will. Yes, and there is no military necessity. It is necessary to destroy the infrastructure, logistics, substation communications every day.

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Quote: TatarinSSSR

Now there is a severe disappointment in its equipment, in the amount of necessary modern technology and equipment. It is in the technical capabilities of our army that we are completely disappointed.

In the Bundeswehr, the latest trucks are from 1993.
Or does the Bundeswehr not count - can they ride on ushatanny barbuhayks?

[TatarinSSSR]

Were you talking about old trucks? Or are modern strike and reconnaissance UAVs and counter-battery combat stations equal to a truck for you?

[composite]

The place from where the Armed Forces of Ukraine attacked Melitopol was established

No, well, this, of course, is commendable!
just now they wrote that the Hymarses tracked down and immediately riveted the article here.
Successes
On the next branch through Bild (SpeedInfo like ours) they learned that the PCX2000 was stolen, before that the Caesars were delivered to the Urals.
Keep it up!

[tolmachiev51]

I do not want to write nasty things, but it would be better if they kept silent !!! The result is bogus.

[wladomir]

I have the impression that against the backdrop of Mr. Konoshenkov's victorious reports, we are losing in time. Now our progress is being built on the superiority in the number of artillery and aviation, but the outskirts are beginning to gain some superiority in the quality of artillery, and sooner or later this quality will affect the fighting. Already now they have superiority in multiple launch rocket systems and anti-ship missiles, and this will increase every day, since NATO's supply routes to the outskirts are in no way blocked.

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Wow, what a joy they set the place, and then what? And how many places are there?

[Roust]

These non-humans are only in the ground.

[zenion]

Everything reminds of an Odessa joke. One Jew walks, another Jew walks towards him. The other Jew greeted, but the first did not answer. Izzy, don't you recognize me? And Moshe is such a liar, all of Odessa knows. Who are you? I am Moishe. So Itzik told me that you were dead. But you see, I'm alive. Izya, I don’t know, I don’t know, I believe Itzik more than you. ------ That's how they talk about victories. One Roman soldier did not believe that Jesus was dead and poked him with a spear. And unbelieving Thomas, in order to believe Jesus, stuck his fingers into his wound from the spear. Now they want to believe the photographs since the fingers cannot be inserted. Izya sees Moishe and does not believe Moishe, because Moishe is a liar.

[Anatoly Podurazhny]

If there was a message that they had established where the fire was fired at RUSSIA and destroyed these artillery mounts, that would be the BUSINESS. And so
installed and poked around in the nose, the price of all Russian anti-aircraft defense is worthless. And whoever was on duty in the air defense at that time, send them to the front line.