Guys, what will you fight on?

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The US media has leaked data from a study by the US General Accountability Office (GAO) that tracked the readiness of US aircraft, including the F-22 Raptor. Well, if the data leaked, then there will always be someone who will publish this data, such as, for example, our old friend Kyle Mizokami.

As an example, and a well-known one: out of 186 F-22 Raptor fighters, only about 93 are ready to fly at any time. How many of them can not just fly, but perform combat missions is a question.



Turns out it's not as bad as we thought. Everything is much better when viewed from our side. The Pentagon's vast fleet of military aircraft is much less powerful than it looks. Since 2015, aircraft readiness indicators at all fleets decreased, sometimes the number of combat-ready aircraft was expressed in double digits, that is, in reality, hundreds of aircraft could not fulfill their tasks.


Such a disappointing conclusion was made in a new report by the US Office of General Accountability, a federal agency created to audit the rest of the federal government, including the Department of Defense.

The report states that out of 186 F-22 Raptor fighters, only about 93 are ready for combat missions at any given time. The numbers are equally grim for other aircraft, including the Navy's F/A-18E/F "Super Hornet". In some fleets, including B-1B bombers, there are fewer aircraft ready for combat missions than unready ones.

In a report entitled "Aviation Air Force and Navy: Actions Needed to Address Persistent Efficiency Risks, cites a sample of eight Pentagon fleets and tracks their combat readiness performance from fiscal year 2015 to 2021.

Here the term "Combat capability" is defined as the state in which the aircraft can perform at least one, and preferably all of its intended missions, which would correspond to the term "Combat capability".

For example, F/A-18E/F "Super Hornet" missions may include air defense, ground attack, and aerial refueling. As for the readiness rating, it is quite high, but definitely not up to "Full combat readiness".

The GAO report is sobering. It tracks the Air Force B-1B "Lancer" bomber, C-5M "Super Galaxy" and C-130T "Hercules" transport aircraft, F-22 "Raptor" and F / A-18E / F "Super Hornet" fighters, KC tankers -135 Stratofortress and KC-130T, as well as the P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft. Between 2015 and 2021, the combat capability of all aircraft declined, some quite significantly.

According to reports, the Navy operates 530 Super Hornets around the world, in fact, the number of combat-ready aircraft is much lower at about 267 vehicles.

But these are carrier-based fighter-bombers, weapon the first line of defense and attack in the United States. Conventional fighters included in the list are still worse in terms of reliability.

The F-22 Raptor air superiority fighter has dropped its readiness rates from 2015% of all combat-ready aircraft since 67 to just 50,3% in 2021.

The F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, which makes up the majority of the navy's fighter fleet, has dropped that figure from 54,9% of combat-capable aircraft to 51%.

In other words, every second "Raptor" or "Super Hornet" is simply laid up waiting for either a repair or a miracle. In general, according to the statements of responsible representatives of the Air Force and Aviation of the US Navy, at least 75% of the aircraft will be capable of performing combat missions if necessary. But the figure is somehow not very impressive, and one would like to note that the drawn planes do not fly.

As for other types of aviation, the situation is no better there. The combat readiness of the B-1B "Lancer" decreased from 47,5 to 40,7%, which means that of the 62 aircraft in service, only about 25 were ready at any given time for combat missions.

Guys, what will you fight on?

C-5M "Super Galaxy" sank from 68,1% to 57,5%. Even the relatively new P-8 Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft, based on the highly successful Boeing 737 jetliner, boasts a 67% availability.

In 2015, only one aircraft, a veteran of more than 50 years, the KC-135 "Stratotanker", had an availability rate of 75%. But by 2021, none of the aircraft types tracked by the GAO had a 75% completion rate. At the same time, the KC-135 fleet reduced its readiness to 71,1%, but still remained the leader in American aviation. None of the aircraft types tracked by the GAO improved their performance between 2015 and 2021.


In general, it is sad when the most combat-ready aircraft of the Air Force are air tankers.

And this GAO did not check the performance of all Pentagon aircraft. Here, in the case of a global check, the results, perhaps, would drive many into depression. The F-16 "Fighting Falcon", F-35A "Lightning II" and C-17 "Globemaster III" fighters are the basis of fighter and transport aviation, but for some reason they were not included in the verification program.

But instead, the GAO indicated how often, between 2012 and 2021, American aircraft performed assigned tasks as part of various missions. The F-16 reached its zero mark (that is, no combat missions were completed during the reporting year) in nine years, the F-35A reached its goal in just two years of eight years of active service, and the C-17 in nine years .

Such low mission fitness rates are the result of several factors.

In 2021, Air Force magazine reported that the average age of an Air Force aircraft is 30,55 years, with B-1Bs and C-5Ms averaging 33 years old. Like old cars, trucks, and any other mode of transport, older aircraft are more complex and expensive to maintain. Often, fleets of older aircraft are short of spare parts, and stocks are running low or even run out (a nod to the B-52 situation). Manufacturers may no longer produce parts and assemblies, and some even closed long ago for various reasons.

Other factors include a lack of maintenance personnel to keep the aircraft in good condition and less budgetary funds for maintenance. Although the repair black hole of the US military is really a black hole, not a vacuum cleaner. And it is able to absorb a huge amount of not money - sums. As big as the entire American war machine.

Sometimes the technological sophistication of an aircraft works against it in peacetime. This is a frank allusion to the Raptor and the problems associated with its maintenance. Since the low-visibility coating applied to the outer surface of the F-22's wing and fuselage proved to be unstable, it was found to be difficult to maintain in operational conditions in perfect condition. This, of course, would be funny if it were not so sad in dollar terms.


There are several justifiable reasons. It turned out, for example, that in some parts the operational rates were above average and the same F / A-18E / F from the groups based on aircraft carriers on combat duty flew more than expected due to the need to use some aircraft as air tankers.


The US Air Force has reduced the number of its B-1B bombers by a quarter, hoping that this will improve the readiness of the rest. This action was taken relatively recently, so it is too early to draw conclusions. At least in the GAO report, this was not confirmed.

Of course, various aviation services are doing everything possible to ensure that the US Air Force remains "on the wing." It cannot be argued that they are not doing anything there, the only question is that the maximum that the Air Force and Navy services related to aviation are capable of today is corrective actions.

That is, what was said above: decommission 17 out of 62 B-1B bombers. Decommissioned and dismantled aircraft can serve as donors for the 45 aircraft remaining in service and maintain their combat capability for some time. This is a practice that we went through relatively recently, so any Russian military specialist will understand what is at stake.

The Navy is looking to procure the MQ-25 Stingray unmanned aerial tanker to take the load off the Super Hornet.


A good idea, because the MQ-25 "Stingray" can move up to 6800 kg of fuel to a range of up to 900 km, providing aerial refueling of the F / A-18 flight at a decent distance from the ship.

Everything will be fine if the MQ-25 "Stingray" flies into the series. If not, the Super Hornets will still be wasting their resource, playing the role of tankers for their colleagues.

Despite this, the trend for all six aircraft types covered in the report is towards declining availability, with no aircraft type performing better in 2021 than in 2015.

GAO reports say the Department of Defense "generally agreed" with recommendations to "quickly prioritize and complete necessary security checks" in order to develop plans to address deficiencies in maintaining the proper combat readiness of American aircraft. That is, to determine what is needed and what can be abandoned.


But the US Navy did not agree to complete the verification of support in a shorter time, citing limited resources. To be clear, the navy's 2021 budget was $161 billion (that's two annual military budgets for a country like Russia), and yet navy experts say they don't have enough resources to get to the bottom of the problems because for which half of the naval fighter-bombers are laid up.

What if there is a war tomorrow? And if with China, in the direction of which the United States is breathing more and more unevenly? That is, military operations are something comparable to the times of the Second World War, over the vast expanses of the Pacific Ocean?

Agree, if such a conflict began today, the United States would instantly have serious problems. Planes fight, not numbers. And in the United States, there would be far fewer aircraft in service than is clear from the figures of general statistics.

Yes, on paper, the United States has a significant advantage over China, numerical, technical, technological. However, I repeat, real planes will fight, and very unpleasant moments for the Americans are possible here.

Having more planes on paper is one thing, but having a fleet of planes that just can't go into combat for technical reasons is completely different.

Of course, the United States understands the depth and severity of the problem, but the US military machine is such a cumbersome apparatus that doubts creep in about the possibility of solving this problem in the coming years.


And what will the brave American guys from the aircraft carrier squadrons go into battle with - this will be a very difficult question.
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  1. +1
    5 July 2022 04: 27
    "I am paid for Quantity, and who will pay for Quality?": A.I. Raikin
    1. +11
      5 July 2022 04: 38
      And thank God that the US guys will have nothing to fight on! Well, almost nothing!
      The world will only get better from this!
      So more sand in their aircraft engines!
      1. +21
        5 July 2022 04: 48
        Quote: Tatiana
        And thank God that the guys in the United States have nothing to fight on!

        Hooray, hooray - of course, but it will not come to throwing caps. Because quantity is quantity. Of the two hundred aircraft, 40 percent are 80 aircraft. And 100 percent of fifteen? One Trotsky - the ratio is strongly not in our favor. I'm talking about AWACS aircraft, if anything, I'm writing. But this is the ratio for all types of aviation.
        1. +3
          5 July 2022 05: 10
          And what will the brave American guys go into battle on?
          And for me, at least on foot! And all the forest!
          PS But vigilance must not be lost!
          1. -10
            5 July 2022 07: 17
            And what? Is this an estimate before the exchange of nuclear strikes or after? And what will be the war after the nuclear pogrom of the Earth? Is it for LGBT rights?
            1. -1
              5 July 2022 10: 41
              And what will be the war after the nuclear pogrom of the Earth?

              With the current level of stockpiles of nuclear weapons, there will definitely not be a “nuclear pogrom of the earth”.
              This is according to Clausewitz and Molke
              the true purpose of war is to destroy the main enemy forces on the battlefield

              war goals = political + economic and military.
              Hitler set completely different goals than Moltke. The Americans clearly demonstrate this.
              After a nuclear war: everything is the same. But already for the remnants and a more comfortable existence
        2. +6
          5 July 2022 07: 48
          Quote: Vladimir_2U

          Hooray, hooray - of course, but it will not come to throwing caps.

          I also like this state of affairs in the US Air Force, but what do we care?
          Here such a saying comes to mind - "Look at yourself, are you good yourself?"
          One more thing. If anything, then you will have to deal with the whole of NATO, and no matter how many planes they have on layup, they will always crush us with numbers. Therefore, our goal is quality! And we really need A-100s, but... we don't have money.
          And the question is - can our Sushki serve as tankers?
          1. -10
            5 July 2022 08: 47
            And we really need the A-100, but ...

            probably the need for AWACS was calculated from the concept. Rather, military doctrine. It assumed a defensive position and a war over and near the territory of the Russian Federation. Which meant the use of mobile and stationary radio monitoring equipment. They are harder to destroy and easier to defend than aircraft. For the Americans, the presence of such a large number of AWACS aircraft is also justified by the doctrine of a long-range war.
            And the question is - can our Sushki serve as tankers?

            no. Since it will require re-equipment - pumps, a hose with a cone, etc. Previously, there was a wing-to-wing refueling system. But there it was just that not one, but two fighters were connected to the tanker in series. And the pumping was carried out by increasing the pressure in the line from the tanker
            But they can use UPAZ, by the way, we haven’t written anywhere about such interesting things as UPAZ
            1. +2
              5 July 2022 09: 11
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              Quote: Ka-52
              no. Since it will require re-equipment - pumps, a hose with a cone, etc.
              See how dry. Can Su-24M (TK)
              1. +1
                5 July 2022 10: 16
                And what are they equipped with, if not the UPAZ mentioned by me? request
                1. -2
                  5 July 2022 11: 06
                  And what are they equipped with, if not the UPAZ mentioned by me?

                  So even with them, not every F-18 can play the role of a tanker! As the saying goes
                  And today, tomorrow, not everyone can watch. Rather, not only everyone can watch, few can do it

                  PTB + American UPAZ = Aerial Refueling System

                  It is easier for American sailors to do this than for the Air Force. They have a hose, not a bar
                  1. -8
                    5 July 2022 11: 21
                    and what do I care about that?
                    1. -1
                      5 July 2022 14: 18
                      and what do I care about that?

                      Because the statement is false
                      no☝️. Since it will require re-equipment - pumps, a hose with a cone, etc.

                      Not any F-18s are gutted. just ptb and

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                      1. +1
                        6 July 2022 07: 19
                        Not any F-18s are gutted. just ptb and

                        Do you have trouble reading or understanding what you read?
                        there was a question:
                        and our Sushki can serve as tankers?

                        was the answer:
                        no. Since it will require re-equipment - pumps, a hose with a cone, etc.

                        what does the F-18 have to do with it ????????? Where is the mention of American practice in the dialogue? To eat, you’re only good at putting minuses, but to think about it - no, why request
                      2. -3
                        6 July 2022 09: 22
                        I can read.
                        You are not.
                        Since it will require re-equipment - pumps, a hose with a cone, etc.

                        What kind of infantry "re-equipment"
                        I attached UPAZ / PAZ-MK and PTB to my belly and fly myself a Ka-52, refuel another Su-27
                        what does the F-18 have to do with it ?????????

                        You have to be so stubborn or stupid.
                        And we will not gut warplanes, Americans will not gut warplanes NOT
                        will require re-equipment - pumps, a hose with a cone, etc.
                        .
                        I’ve already dropped to “az”, “beeches”, and he
                        It's just stupid how to add a third main rotor to the Ka-52, so that you can then "re-equip" it: lengthen the beam and install a torque compensator.
                        Some perversion
                        To eat, you are only good at putting minuses, but to think about it - no, why request

                        Don't judge people by yourself.
                        The subtlety and depth of the opponent's thought reached me
                        Since it will require re-equipment - pumps, a hose with a cone, etc.

                        This is when UPAZ-1K is manufactured at JSC NPP Zvezda?
                        Yes Yes.
                        What does this have to do with dryers? In which dryer is a hose with a cone installed
                        fool
                      3. +1
                        6 July 2022 09: 50
                        if you ̶t̶u̶p̶o̶y̶ have a twilight consciousness, then there is no need to answer. Just confirm this fact. How many are inadequate in VO crying
                  2. -1
                    5 July 2022 12: 48
                    Filling "hose-cone" - more difficult than filling through the rod. The "cone" dangles freely in the air stream on a flexible hose, and the rod, if you don't know, is controlled by a special operator on board the refueling aircraft, who can move the rod within a certain range in order to hit the throat of the refueling aircraft.
                    1. -3
                      5 July 2022 14: 33
                      Filling "hose-cone" - more difficult than filling through the rod.

                      The hose can be wound onto a drum and used in UPAZ / PAZ-MK.
                      With a barbell, this is unlikely to work.

                      It's about what could be put on any plane
                      Aerial Refueling System
                      Zvezda, which develops fuel receiver heads mounted on the booms of refueling aircraft, as well as several modified ☝️single suspended refueling units for tankers. They are equipped with a hose length of 26-28 meters with a capacity of 1600-2900 liters per minute.


                      if you do not know, a special operator on board the aircraft manages

                      "If" - I know just

                      In the US Air Force, the operator controls the bar, in ours and the US Navy it’s not a bar, but a hose.

                      With a hose: the receiver is "operated by the pilot"
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            2. +6
              5 July 2022 15: 12
              Quote: Ka-52
              probably the need for AWACS was calculated from the concept. Rather, military doctrine. It assumed a defensive position and a war over and near the territory of the Russian Federation. Which meant the use of mobile and stationary radio monitoring equipment.

              The officer who proposed such a doctrine would be sent back to the school. Because the concept of air defense based solely on ground-based radars showed complete failure back in 1982 - in real combat operations of an air defense system built according to Soviet standards.
              Without AWACS, air defense is blind and deaf at low and criminally low altitudes. And this means that the ZRV and IA are deprived of the control center, without which they cannot work normally. And the enemy can operate on his own outside our radar field and strike "from the shadows." As it was in 1982, when their Hokai saw the entire border area at low altitudes, and our radars only within the line of sight, which excluded targets below the radio horizon from the view. As a result, the same air defense fighters, flying to intercept detected targets, regularly came under attack from their cover groups, which were moving at low altitudes or behind terrain folds, out of sight of ground-based radars.
              1. -3
                6 July 2022 07: 38
                The officer who proposed such a doctrine would be sent back to the school

                Well, write to the Moscow Region - why dump this pan on me? Write to them that they are stupid, but you are smart. Maybe they will take yours to the General Staff, maybe they will even leave your high-ranking rank - you will be a marshal in Moscow with a flashing light and eat McCallan with caviar. Until the FSB slams you with 10 tons of cash laughing
                Without AWACS, air defense is blind and deaf at low and criminally low altitudes. And this means that the ZRV and IA are deprived of the control center, without which they cannot work normally.

                why do I need this demagogy, and even with examples of the Lebanese war?
                Personally, my opinion is that our military doctrine does not provide for a conventional war with the United States. In any case, it will develop into an exchange of nuclear weapons. The main bet is that none of NATO will dare to attack a nuclear power!. Therefore, it is pointless to spend money on conventional warfare tools (except for potential local conflicts). The military should only provide a strike against the United States and reduce the likelihood of a retaliatory one. Long-range radar and air defense systems are designed to deal more with the CD than with real massive US Air Force raids (which, with their numbers and experience, will still break through our air defense, regardless of the presence or absence of AWACS).
                Therefore, it’s ridiculous for me to read pearls like “we don’t have enough (tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, 5th generation aircraft, lasers, flying carpets and walking boots.” For a local war, this is enough with an interference fit. There will be no big war. Or it will be, but not like that how do you lament here request
                1. +2
                  6 July 2022 10: 42
                  Quote: Ka-52
                  Well, write to the Moscow Region - why dump this pan on me? Write to them that they are stupid, but you are smart.

                  And why should I write to the Moscow Region, if you came up with the idea that our General Staff has such a concept?
                  I recall:
                  Quote: Ka-52
                  probably the need for AWACS was calculated from the concept. Rather, military doctrine. It assumed a defensive position and a war over and near the territory of the Russian Federation.

                  The lack of AWACS aircraft in sufficient quantities is not a feature, but a bug. In the sense that the Aerospace Forces would be happy to have an AWACS air division, but only the industry is not keeping up with their Wishlist.
                  Quote: Ka-52
                  why do I need this demagogy, and even with examples of the Lebanese war?

                  Then, so that you do not attribute stupid decisions to the General Staff and the Aerospace Forces.
                  Quote: Ka-52
                  Therefore, it is pointless to spend money on conventional warfare tools (except for potential local conflicts).

                  Well, now you have a typical local conflict. In which enemy aircraft frolic in WWI in the border areas - and our air defenses catch them either by accident or if the enemy begins to act in a pattern.
                  Quote: Ka-52
                  The main bet is that no one from NATO will dare to attack a nuclear power!

                  Only if that power can guarantee a retaliatory strike against an attacker with an unacceptable level of casualties. And for this, this power must preserve its strategic nuclear forces and prevent a disarming strike. In which both sea and air-based missile defense systems will be involved.
                  Thus, the reflection of a massive strike of low-altitude targets is the main task of the Aerospace Forces in a big war too.
                  Not even so: the ability of the Aerospace Forces to repel such a strike, along with the ability of the Strategic Missile Forces to strike back, guarantees the non-aggression of NATO countries. That is, AWACS aviation is a component of the country's strategic security.
                  1. -1
                    6 July 2022 11: 03
                    And why should I write to the Moscow Region, if you came up with the idea that our General Staff has such a concept?

                    Well, when did I write this to you? first, I wrote
                    probably the need for AWACS was calculated from the concept. Rather, military doctrine.

                    word probably implies that this is just an assumption. My version - I want to say, I want not. No need to throw yourself at me, shaking your fists, dear fighter with other people's opinions))
                    secondly, I did not write to you, but to a comrade with the nickname "Krasnoyarsk". Is your nickname "Krasnoyarsk" or "Alexey RA"? Are you the same user?
                    You first deal with your rich inner world, and only then puff out your cheeks and try to impress me with your intellect.
                    And for this, this power must preserve its strategic nuclear forces and prevent a disarming strike. In which both sea and air-based missile defense systems will be involved.

                    don't write nonsense. This has already been dealt with dozens of times in many military-themed publics and here in VO. Even if the US succeeds in intercepting 2/3 of our warheads with the help of its missile defense systems, the damage is guaranteed to be unacceptable.
                    Thus, the reflection of a massive strike of low-altitude targets is the main task of the Aerospace Forces in a big war too.

                    before writing nonsense again, take the calculator in hand and count how many of your "massive small targets" will fly to targets in the depths of Russian defense. I'll tell you offhand that from the water area, for example, the Barents Sea to central Russia will take more than 2,5 hours. During this time, ICBMs will burn both American territory and ours. So there is no need for these stupid things, "but how are we going to shoot down the raptors over Voronezh? crying belay "There will be no Raptors over Voronezh. In any case, for the next 50 years. And then hell knows what will happen. Maybe the riptloids will fly in and turn everyone into an easily digestible food concentrate for their larvae on the planet Nibiru.
                    Then, so that you do not attribute stupid decisions to the General Staff and the Aerospace Forces.

                    ahahahya laughing and to whom should I attribute them? What about my secretary? Or a neighbor in the country? What are you smoking there?
                    In which enemy aircraft frolic in WWI in the border areas - and our air defenses catch them either by accident or if the enemy begins to act in a pattern.

                    Bring back the guy who made the first comment. He has more common sense. And this one writes some nonsense ...
                    The Ukrainian Air Force uses the same air strike technique as our Aerospace Forces. That is, flying to ultra-low and launching NARs from a pitch-up. That is, these are super-heavy conditions for air defense, regardless of whether you see them or not. How will AWACS help - let's dream up
                    1. +1
                      6 July 2022 12: 37
                      Quote: Ka-52
                      the word probably implies that this is just an assumption. My version - I want to say, I want not. No need to throw yourself at me, shaking your fists, dear fighter with other people's opinions))

                      Wow, immediately Despicere, Termini, Caput canis.
                      And by the way, about shaking fists:
                      Quote: Ka-52
                      Well, write to the Moscow Region - why dump this pan on me? Write to them that they are stupid, but you are smart. Maybe they will take yours to the General Staff, maybe they will even leave your high-ranking rank - you will be a marshal in Moscow with a flashing light and eat McCallan with caviar. Until the FSB slams you with 10 tons of cash

                      Quote: Ka-52
                      secondly, I did not write to you, but to a comrade with the nickname "Krasnoyarsk". Is your nickname "Krasnoyarsk" or "Alexey RA"? Are you the same user?
                      You first deal with your rich inner world, and only then puff out your cheeks and try to impress me with your intellect.

                      If you only wrote Comrades with the nickname "Krasnoyarsk", then you would write to him in a personal.
                      And since you posted your valuable opinion in the general discussion, then everyone is free to respond to your post. Including words that do not coincide with this very valuable opinion of yours.
                      And do not, please, assign yourself the functions of a moderator, indicating to others what to do.
                      Quote: Ka-52
                      Even if the US succeeds in intercepting 2/3 of our warheads with the help of its missile defense systems, the damage is guaranteed to be unacceptable.

                      2/3 of what? The meaning of a disarming strike is precisely to reduce the number of UBCs in a retaliatory strike as much as possible - by disabling decision-making centers, communication systems and the launchers themselves.
                      If the Aerospace Forces miss the strike of the Kyrgyz Republic, there are chances that the remaining strategic nuclear forces may not be enough for unacceptable damage.
                      1. -1
                        7 July 2022 06: 25
                        2/3 of what? The meaning of a disarming strike is precisely to reduce the number of UBCs in a retaliatory strike as much as possible - by disabling decision-making centers, communication systems and the launchers themselves.
                        If the Aerospace Forces miss the strike of the Kyrgyz Republic, there are chances that the remaining strategic nuclear forces may not be enough for unacceptable damage.

                        what is baby talk? The first and retaliatory strikes will be made by ICBMs. As long as the surviving shortcomings of AUGs and DBAs swim or fly into the launch zone of the Kyrgyz Republic, all decisions will be made and the centers that have adopted them will most likely have already been destroyed. Cruise missiles that we have, that the Americans do not have nuclear warheads, this is a slow conventional weapon for local wars. And not for a global war
                      2. +1
                        7 July 2022 12: 56
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        As long as the surviving shortcomings of AUGs and DBAs swim or fly into the launch zone of the Kyrgyz Republic, all decisions will be made and the centers that have adopted them will most likely have already been destroyed.

                        And what about AUG? For a covert launch of the CD, the Yankees have "Virginia" and "Ohio". Taking into account the fact that our PLO died due to the lack of ships and aircraft, and the detection of air targets in the North even at medium altitudes focal, USN can perform a covert launch from even our terrorists.
                        And for the same PGRKs, even SBChs are not required - their vehicles are fragile, and the hangars of HE warheads will not withstand.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Cruise missiles that we have, that the Americans do not have nuclear warheads, this is a slow conventional weapon for local wars.

                        Don't you remember how the X-101 and X-102 differ? Or about 3M-14 with SBC? wink
                        And non-strategic SBCs fell under another Treaty and moved to warehouses.
                      3. 0
                        7 July 2022 13: 29
                        And what about AUG? For a covert launch of the CD, the Yankees have "Virginia" and "Ohio".

                        Alekseyushka, eventually get used to thinking with your head, and not with what your pants are pulled on. In your maniaverse, will Ohio swim into the Yenisei to shoot at Krasmash?
                        Don't you remember how the X-101 and X-102 differ? Or about 3M-14 with SBC?

                        the fact that 102 does not exist in reality. As well as there is no YAGBCH under them. It may appear soon, or it may not.
                        But your notorious preventive nuclear strike by the Americans crawling at the speed of a snail of the Kyrgyz Republic, what will they inflict? They don’t even have ready-made warheads, the W-80s have been gathering dust in the warehouse for 30 years, and in order to install them on the mattresses that are just being developed by the KR LRSO, they will have to be taken back to Los Alamos and sorted out again. At what it is planned to modernize with an extension of the term only 500 units, and to produce 1000 missiles (under the contract).
                      4. +1
                        7 July 2022 16: 02
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Alekseyushka, eventually get used to thinking with your head, and not with what your pants are pulled on. In your maniaverse, will Ohio swim into the Yenisei to shoot at Krasmash?

                        And why, with a disarming strike, choose Krasmash as a target? Get out of the habit of thinking by the standards of a great war in the Soviet way. In a nuclear war, there will be no mobilization of industry and supplies from factories. You will have to fight with what is on and in the launcher. Accordingly, factories will be the target of the last priority - if warheads remain.
                        And further. CR is just one of the components of a disarming strike. Together with them (but after their launch) SLBMs will go - for those targets that the CD will not reach.
                        The problem is that SLBMs alone cannot solve the problem of an unexpected disarming strike - you will have to bring too many carriers into position, and this is fraught with premature disclosure of the operation. The task of the CR involved in the strike is to save the ICBM warheads by closing those targets that the CR reach. In this case, it is possible to reduce the number of Ohio troops withdrawn to the positions.
                        Accordingly, the minimum task of the defending side is to detect the launch and approach of low-altitude missile launchers in time, including in places where from "point" to "point" - hundreds of kilometers. In this case, everything will be as you described - instead of a disarming strike, the attacking side will receive a retaliatory strike, and with almost all forces. And since this is unacceptable for her, the plan for a disarming strike will fall on the same shelf with plans to repel alien aggression. Until holes in the radar field again appear at low altitudes. smile
                        Well, in order to close the MV and not fly out into the pipe on the number of radars, you need to raise the antenna as high as possible. And we come to AWACS as an integral part of strategic defense.
                      5. 0
                        8 July 2022 07: 12
                        And why, with a disarming strike, choose Krasmash as a target? Get out of the habit of thinking by the standards of a great war in the Soviet way

                        Alexey, you are the one to get out of the habit of writing without even trying to comprehend what you write. Why carry out launches at the places of deployment of mobile systems (which will not be in place by the time the cruise missiles arrive)? Why launch missile launchers at ICBM silos (which will be empty by the time the cruise missiles arrive)? What kind of "disarming strike" do you get? You throw in so many words here, but 2/3 of them make no sense to read at all.
                      6. +1
                        8 July 2022 09: 19
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Why carry out launches at the places of deployment of mobile systems (which will not be in place by the time the cruise missiles arrive)?

                        Only if the launch and approach are detected - and the complexes will have time to leave in positions.
                        But for this we need to close the same northern direction with a radar chain (like the Canadian North Warning System). Moreover, at a distance from each other, which guarantees the overlap of low altitudes (for the Earth is not a plane, but a geoid). Or ... that's right - use AWACS aircraft.
                        Otherwise, we will not have these 2,5 hours. SLCMs at low altitude will pass into the holes of the radar field and will be found only somewhere near Kostroma, Kirov, Yoshkar-Ola, Nizhny Tagil or Bologoy.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Why launch missile launchers at ICBM silos (which will be empty by the time the cruise missiles arrive)?

                        But I didn't write this. The target for SLCMs can be unfortified targets within reach - for example, PGRK hangars of five divisions of the 27th Guards RA and the 21st RA.
                      7. 0
                        8 July 2022 11: 27
                        Only if the launch and approach are detected - and the complexes will have time to leave in positions.

                        well, suppose the impossible: US strategists decided to synchronize the approach of the KR and ICBMs. Suppose some Ohio and other Aliberks were the first to shoot back in central Siberia from the waters of the Pacific Ocean. And what prevents Voronezh in Yeniseisk or Irkutsk from detecting them?
                      8. 0
                        8 July 2022 12: 33
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Suppose some Ohio and other Aliberks were the first to shoot back in central Siberia from the waters of the Pacific Ocean. And what prevents Voronezh in Yeniseisk or Irkutsk from detecting them?

                        All "Voronezh" - over horizontal radar. They are good in BR on high trajectories emerging from behind the radio horizon. They are practically useless against the KR on the MV - they will only see them when they are in direct radio visibility.
                        ZGRLS like "Container" and "Sunflower" could help here. But there is a question about them - will they be able to isolate signals from low-flying targets with low RCS, such as KR, from interference and noise? Especially at long distances - since the "Container" has a dead zone of about 900 km.
                      9. 0
                        8 July 2022 12: 58
                        They are good in BR on high trajectories emerging from behind the radio horizon. They are practically useless against the KR on the MV - they will only see them when they are in direct radio visibility.

                        oh well) decimeters are perfectly reflected from the ionosphere.
                        ZGRLS like "Container" and "Sunflower" could help here.

                        Volna is located in Nakhodka. Where did "everything is gone, we have no radar coverage in the east" from your world?
                      10. 0
                        8 July 2022 17: 13
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Volna is located in Nakhodka. Where did "everything is gone, we have no radar coverage in the east" from your world?

                        And I am no longer interested in the Pacific, but in the Arctic Ocean. From there, SLCMs can easily get up to five divisions on the PGRK (out of eight available), and at the limit - up to two more.
                    2. -1
                      6 July 2022 13: 16
                      Quote: Ka-52
                      before writing nonsense again, take the calculator in hand and count how many of your "massive small targets" will fly to targets in the depths of Russian defense. I'll tell you offhand that from the water area, for example, the Barents Sea to central Russia will take more than 2,5 hours.

                      2,5 hours is if we find them after launch. The problem is that most of our borders do not have radar coverage on MV and PMV. So we will learn about the launch much later.
                      And it is impossible to close this hole with ground-based radars - no budget will be enough to put 1 radar every 50-60 km.
                      Quote: Ka-52
                      So there is no need for these stupid things, "but how are we going to shoot down the raptors over Voronezh?

                      imago.
                      What relation Raptors over Voronezh have to the problem of detecting a massive missile attack on strategic nuclear forces?
                      Quote: Ka-52
                      ahahahha laughing and to whom should I attribute them? What about my secretary? Or a neighbor in the country? What are you smoking there?

                      Yourself, of course. And not to write about a certain concept and military doctrine. laughing
                      Quote: Ka-52
                      The Ukrainian Air Force uses the same air strike technique as our Aerospace Forces. That is, flying to ultra-low and launching NARs from a pitch-up.

                      As I understand it, you decided not to consider the same attack on the oil depot in Belgorod and flights to Mariupol. Well, a convenient position: if the facts contradict the worldview, so much the worse for the facts. smile
                      Quote: Ka-52
                      That is, these are super-heavy conditions for air defense, regardless of whether you see them or not. How will AWACS help - let's dream up

                      And it's hard to fight. This is what Clausewitz noted.
                      The complexity of the targets does not negate the need for air defense. And the task of intercepting targets in WWI is solved precisely with the help of AWACS aircraft operating in conjunction with IA. AWACS detects the NLC and issues target designation. And the IA takes the control center, goes to the launch line and hits the target of the RVV.
                      Air defense is by no means limited to air defense systems alone.
                      1. -1
                        7 July 2022 05: 54
                        And why should I write to the Moscow Region, if you came up with the idea that our General Staff has such a concept?

                        did you write this or some other local crazy person? Once again I repeat, dear, do not pretend to be a Spanish caballero don Quixote and do not fight with windmills. Your attempts to expose me are ridiculous to colic in the side laughing
                        2,5 hours is if we find them after launch. The problem is that most of our borders do not have radar coverage on MV and PMV.

                        You might not have read further. The level of the opponent is clear
                        The same attack on the oil depot in Belgorod and flights to Mariupol

                        how often Belgorod is stormed and how did the flights to Mariupol end?
                        And it's hard to fight. This is what Clausewitz noted.

                        that's what you tell yourself. Here, a whole cohort of "experts" like you gathered at VO, who live in a two-dimensional universe and begin to talk about three-dimensional space from their plane.
                        And the task of intercepting targets in WWI is solved precisely with the help of AWACS aircraft operating in conjunction with IA. AWACS detects the NLC and issues target designation. And the IA takes the control center, goes to the launch line and hits the target of the RVV.
                        Air defense is by no means limited to air defense systems alone.


                        mdaaaa ..... I would have the same opus, if I could describe how to properly chop the corners of the crowns into the paw. everything seems to be simple - here is a log, but here is an ax, wave yourself and wave ....
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                      3. +2
                        7 July 2022 12: 15
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        did you write this or some other local crazy person?

                        Quote: Ka-52
                        probably the need for AWACS was calculated from the concept. Rather, military doctrine. It assumed a defensive position and a war over and near the territory of the Russian Federation. Which meant the use of mobile and stationary radio monitoring equipment.

                        did you write this or some other local crazy person? wink
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Once again I repeat, dear, do not pretend to be a Spanish caballero don Quixote and do not fight with windmills. Your attempts to expose me are ridiculous to colic in the side

                        - What drew you to epithets? From fatigue? Leave the epithets to our party bosses. ©
                        But in general, it's nice to see how the opponent, due to the inability to provide facts, turns to personal insults. laughing
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        You might not have read further. The level of the opponent is clear

                        As the saying goes, draining counted.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        how often Belgorod is stormed and how did the flights to Mariupol end?

                        That is, air defense must constantly lag behind the enemy by a step? And cover the objects only after they are destroyed or close the sky after the evacuation? Just because it super heavy conditions for air defense.
                        Moreover, the solution to the problem has been known for forty years. And it was decided in front of our air defense officers, however, who then turned out to be on the other side.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        I would have turned out the same opus if I had thought of describing how to properly cut the corners of the crowns into a paw. everything seems to be simple - here is a log, but here is an ax, wave yourself and wave ....

                        Well, yes ... it's much easier to announce super-heavy conditions for air defense and hope that others have a memory like an aquarium fish - and no one remembers Syria-82, Iraq-91 and Yugoslavia-99. smile
                        Works all over the world - and only we immediately have insurmountable difficulties. But in fact - unwillingness to change anything in a cozy little world A4 army.
                      4. 0
                        7 July 2022 12: 43
                        But in general it’s nice to see how the opponent, due to the inability to provide facts, turns to personal insults

                        facts of what? Stop raving already and return to this universe already. I expressed my opinion, but some crazy fighter for a personal understanding of the truth has been pestering me for the second day with his dull argument for the sake of argument.
                        As they say, the drain is counted.

                        school terminology. Now it is clear where the arguments were born laughing
                        That is, air defense must constantly lag behind the enemy by a step?

                        There are holes in every defense. There are no universal recipes. Everything is smooth only for chatterboxes like you. Your style of argument is reminiscent of the sectarian saints Javelin and Bayraktar. Who believe that these two weapons can win the war.
                        Syria-82, Iraq-91 and Yugoslavia-99

                        ahahahaha laughing Isn't it funny to make such arguments?
                        Works all over the world

                        give examples HOW it works? For example, I remember very well the reports of the Americans about the air battles in Iraq, when, due to identification problems, their pilots often had to go to the distance of a visual determination of the target's ownership. Where did their beautiful AWACS go? Where is the target designation that you smeared yourself with here? And here you are raving to me about "works all over the world" laughing The situation reminded me of one insane character in the VO who argued with me that they say everything is decided by a long-range missile battle and a fighter does not need maneuverability at all. The same arguments taken from the ceiling. I read an article with a Lockheed Martin advertising booklet and let's play castles in the air for me))
                      5. +2
                        7 July 2022 16: 23
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        There are holes in every defense. There are no universal recipes. Everything is smooth only for chatterboxes like you.

                        There are holes, no doubt about it. But why create these holes artificially - abandoning a solution that works in other countries?

                        The absence of AWACS has already cost the sailors one cruiser - which was put forward to the forefront as an RLD (ersatz-DRLO) ship and, according to some reports, simply did not have time to react to anti-ship missiles going to WWI due to their late detection.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        For example, I remember very well the reports of the Americans about the air battles in Iraq, when, due to identification problems, their pilots often had to go to the distance of a visual determination of the target's ownership. Where did their beautiful AWACS go?

                        imago.
                        You are either confusing or deliberately substituting the identification of an already detected target and target detection. AWACS detected a target of unknown affiliation in advance and issued target designation. The only problem left is with identification - but for this, IA is aimed at the target.
                        We do not have the very detection of these very goals. More precisely, they are discovered not by air defense, but by ground forces - after they have fired at them.
                        If we were like in Iraq in 1991, the Belgorod raiders would have been spotted after takeoff and met at the border.
                      6. +1
                        8 July 2022 06: 48
                        There are holes, no doubt about it. But why create these holes artificially - abandoning a solution that works in other countries?

                        Alexey, you are a strange person. You constantly act from the position:
                        1. I firmly believe in the uselessness of AWACS aircraft
                        2. Our Defense Ministry is firmly convinced of the uselessness of AWACS
                        but that's nonsense. If we had a US budget, there would be a place for AWACS. If our territory was not 15 million sq. km, but 20 thousand km (like Israel), then there would be a place for AWACS. If we had a geopolitical adversary not the United States, but for example Brazil, there would be a place for AWACS. Start already learning to think soberly, not slogans. Of course, now you will object that they could save money on repairing Kuznetsov and build 500 A-80s. But this is a matter of optimization. And she is an unusual and unloved business for our military-industrial complex and the Moscow Region. Se la vie. Write a petition to Putin. What do I have to do with it? ))
                        The absence of AWACS has already cost the sailors one cruiser - which was put forward to the forefront as a radar ship (ersatz-DRLO)

                        about "late response" of course stupidity. average working time S-300F - 17 sec. Well, maybe even 30 seconds. And the flight of Neptune (or Granite) from the launch site to the target was about 5 minutes. Therefore, the fault here is either the inability of the S-300F to detect a low-altitude target against the background of the underlying surface, or the direct negligence of the operators who missed the attack. In this regard, AWACS could have exactly the same problem. But subjectively, even if we had sufficient AWACS, they would hardly have been kept in the air on continuous duty for the sake of such a tiny area. Perhaps if the Yak-44 had not been canceled at one time, yes, if they had been at hand, yes, if they had a normal motor resource, but if not one or two, but more, for normal rotation, then maybe something happened there to another. But we don't have the Yak-44, just like we don't have anything like it. It is definitely not possible to plant the A-80 carcass to guard the anti-ship missiles or not fire. Curtain.
                        You are either confusing or deliberately substituting the identification of an already detected target and target detection.

                        this suggests that even under ideal conditions, the detection and identification system has problems. AWACS was unable to identify the target even though the target was at an altitude of 8 km at a distance of 120 km, even with the presence of radar portraits of Iraqi MiGs. what problems would the American AWACS face if they were not MiGs, but low-contrast helicopters flying at a height of 3 m above the surface of the river floodplain? You have been obscene here over the expression "complex aerial target". Let's hit me with another couch statement that the Americans are omnipotent and this is not a problem for them)
                        The only problem left is with identification - but for this, IA is aimed at the target.

                        oh these storytellers lol Let's take a real situation. The distance from the departure airfield to the target is 70 km. The distance from the state border to the target is 35 km. The helicopter flies the first segment in 15 minutes, the second - in 10 minutes. Suppose AWACS detected targets halfway to the border, that is, 5 minutes after the departure of the Ukrainian Mi-24s. It took about 5 minutes to identify and inquire about the flights of our aviation in the area. Another 3 minutes to assign a combat number and transfer to the Central Command Center. Another 5 minutes to agree with civilian dispatchers for a flight to the duty pair zone (next to 2 civilian airports). In total, by this time, Ukrainian Mi-24s had already begun attacking the Belgorod ONPZ. Further, the nearest fighter-based airport is Millerovo, where the Su-30 of the 7th brigade of the East Kazakhstan region is based. Suppose the duty couple took 10 minutes to take off (doubtful). From Millerovo to Belgorod - 500 km. The pair on duty would cover this distance in .... 35 minutes. By this time, Ukrainian Mi-24s were already drinking champagne on duty in Chuguev.
                        And I have described the ideal conditions. And the flight of the Mi-24 went along the channel of the Northern Donets (most likely), that is, the reach of their AWACS was such that our aircraft had to be no further than 150 km, or even closer. And this is also a lucky coincidence. For AWACS to work, it is necessary not only to have it (as all the crazy oruns bawl), but the entire organization of airspace control, including the fact that the duty pair must be in the air all the time. Which, in principle, is not realistic in our conditions.
                        If we were like in Iraq in 1991, the Belgorod raiders would have been spotted after takeoff and met at the border.

                        Yes Yes laughing
                      7. +1
                        8 July 2022 08: 54
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        about "late response" of course stupidity. average working time S-300F - 17 sec. Well, maybe even 30 seconds. And the flight of Neptune (or Granite) from the launch site to the target was about 5 minutes.

                        These calculations are good when it comes to an infinite plane, on which the target detection range for the radar is determined solely by the power of the reflected signal.
                        But we are dealing with the geoid. And the detection range on WWI is determined by the radio visibility range of the target. For the OVTs radar, this is at best 30-35 kilometers. For the S-300F radar - even less. That is, the airborne radar 1164 will see the "Harpoon" 100 seconds before arrival. And this is only a detection - but the target must be transferred and taken for escort by the radar of the air defense system itself.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        But subjectively, even if we had sufficient AWACS, they would hardly have been kept in the air on continuous duty for the sake of such a tiny area.

                        This tiny section of 250x250 km is the enemy's only outlet to the sea and the only area where the Black Sea Fleet can come into contact with the enemy. Plus, the notorious Snake is located there. Plus, there is the western coast of Crimea, along which something SLAM-like can also fly.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        AWACS was unable to identify the target even though the target was at an altitude of 8 km at a distance of 120 km, even with the presence of radar portraits of Iraqi MiGs. what problems would the American AWACS face if they were not MiGs, but low-contrast helicopters flying at a height of 3 m above the surface of the river floodplain?

                        With the same ones - the target is detected, the classification is difficult. That is, the air defense system sees targets even on approach (or even immediately after takeoff), you can aim AI at them, you just need to determine their belonging.
                        We have a problem already at the first stage - we do not see the target until the moment of impact and cannot begin to react in advance.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Another 5 minutes to agree with civilian dispatchers for a flight to the duty pair zone (next to 2 civilian airports).

                        You can throw it away - the airports of Anapa, Belgorod, Bryansk, Voronezh, Gelendzhik, Krasnodar, Kursk, Lipetsk, Rostov-on-Don, Simferopol and Elista are closed.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Further, the nearest fighter-based airport is Millerovo, where the Su-30 of the 7th brigade of the East Kazakhstan region is based. Suppose the duty couple took 10 minutes to take off (doubtful). From Millerovo to Belgorod - 500 km. The pair on duty would cover this distance in .... 35 minutes. By this time, the Ukrainian Mi-24s were already drinking champagne on duty in Chuguev.

                        Isn't 14 GIAP sitting on the Su-30 in Kursk (Khalino)?
                        And I still counted on the best - on the duty link in the air. At least for the sake of the city of Kurchatov located 130 km (less than half an hour of flight for the Mi-24) from Belgorod. Purely out of a sense of self-preservation for air defense officials. wink
          2. 0
            5 July 2022 11: 14
            And the question is - can our Sushki serve as tankers?

            Install an in-flight refueling system for aircraft UPAZ, UPAZ-1 from OAO NPP Zvezda and refuel.
            Adapted for Su-24

            И
            su-27 Ub/ mik-29 KUB

            There would be a goal and funding: almost anyone can.
            We do not have deckers, and we do not fly to foreign bases
            Currently in operation are:
            unit UPAZ (length of the hose in the flow is approximately 28 m, the inner diameter of the hose is 40 mm, the overflow capacity is up to 1600 l / min), is installed on the Su 24M tanker aircraft and provides in-flight refueling of "light" aircraft.
            unit UPAZ-1 (length of the hose in the flow is approximately 26 m, the inner diameter of the hose is 52 mm, the fuel overflow capacity is up to 2300 l/min); 2 units are installed under the wings for refueling "light" aircraft and one on the left side of the rear fuselage of the Il-78 (78M) tanker aircraft for refueling "heavy" aircraft such as TU-160, TU-95MS, A-40, A-50 , IL-80.
            unit UPAZ-1K (length of the hose in the flow is approximately 26 m, the inner diameter of the hose is 52 mm, the overflow capacity is up to 2300 l/min).
            The UPAZ-1K unit is a modification of the UPAZ-1 and adapted for installation on the Su-27UB carrier-based aircraft.

            Currently, the PAZ-MK suspension unit is being developed for installation on the MiG-29K/KUB carrier-based refueling aircraft (overflow capacity up to 750 l/min).
        3. 0
          5 July 2022 08: 24
          The AWACS aircraft does not operate on its own, but in conjunction with others. And unfortunately they did not get into the statistics, but I think the situation there is also not very good. They are now exploited very actively in Europe. So the resource goes very quickly. Like the C - 5, C - 17, which completed more than 500 sorties, to the maximum distance.
        4. +11
          5 July 2022 10: 06
          Hooray, hooray - of course, but it will not come to throwing caps

          Yes, junk article. Mixed together. There is a serviceable aircraft, there is a combat-ready aircraft. Different things. There are crews with different levels - this is a completely different article. There is not one painting for preliminary preparation - the aircraft is out of order, and even more so not combat ready. Again, in wartime, the rules are completely different. So liberal that almost donkey urine can be poured into the hydraulic system.
        5. +4
          5 July 2022 14: 21
          Oh, okay. It's an old favorite song of the US military. "Everything is bad with us - give us more money." They also love cuts and kickbacks. So they don't have enough money. As an everywhere.
        6. -2
          5 July 2022 21: 47
          Maybe in Long-Range Aviation there is such a ratio? Transport?
      2. +9
        5 July 2022 11: 57
        Quote: Tatiana
        And thank God that the US guys will have nothing to fight on!

        What if there is a war tomorrow?

        Planes fight, not numbers
        NATO has a LOT of aircraft. And even half of their number is a lot. So it doesn’t make much sense for them to worry about 50% readiness: they still have more ready-made aircraft, probably than all other countries in the world combined.
      3. -2
        6 July 2022 13: 38
        Do not flatter yourself. After the collapse of the USSR, they are used to fighting by proxy and investing in "orange revolutions". It's cheaper and more efficient. Hand not to say that cheaper , even profitable .
  2. -14
    5 July 2022 04: 31
    Damn, yes, it's been said about 200 times, it's just that there is a sect, the sect does not believe - and that's it! Vyfsevreti - and that's it! Well, I said - they drank with their fat F-35 dristuns and uberdrones, which even Iran doesn’t even shoot down once or twice - but puts it on itself - to the point that there is NO Air Force, there’s nothing to fly on.
    In the same piggy bank. About MegaOsprey. Uberwaffle, yes, as they sing here too. Vidos appeared just before their holiday, although the clowning is already 5 years old

    That's why he snapped? The official report says "strong downdraft". YES FUCK!!! A constructive fatal defect - he raised the water, flew into it, the engine immediately lost power and he was immediately driven, as he flew into what he had raised! This is a cut, the turntable will sit down, this one cannot work constructively over water or sand, sawmillers!
    1. +12
      5 July 2022 05: 02
      Well, that's why the sect "vyfsevreti" right away? It's just that I, like any other person who is not well-initiated in this topic, looks at their fleet, compares it with the Russian Federation / China / etc, and gets some anxiety from the disproportion in numbers.

      Well, if they have most of the aircraft is not ready. But after all, more of them can certainly be put into operation over time. That is, the potential is very large, and no one is standing close to them next to it, right?
      1. -10
        5 July 2022 05: 45
        The problem is that people simply don't listen when they are told that there COULD be problems in the US. Look, and you don’t believe - there’s a lot of everything there, more will be introduced. Well this is from the category of "women still give birth." So, listen here, as they introduce.
        US strategists. B-2. Well, one recently developed from old age when landing, the rest are also middle-aged, that is, about the same level.
        B-1B ARE ABSENT!!!! The entire air fleet is ALL covered with carpet bombing of Iraqs and Afghans - the resource has been completely depleted, they fly on parole and on the same nozzle with accidents every other time, and everything is decommissioned.
        But with the B-52, you definitely noticed - there are still a lot of them in the landfill. But you don’t know that those that have been flying in the ranks for a long time on used engines from a landfill !!! Which hell knows how many years they haven’t been released, they’ve been trying to cut various remotorization programs for 40 years, but nifiga - that’s what they fly. One engine fell off completely - we put it from a landfill. And so 40 years old, and also - there, it seems, not a single bomber is younger than 60 years old !!!

        This one flew to the Crimea. I almost made it ... To Britain, then I changed my mind about flying for some reason ...
        Well, are there any strategists? On paper, there are many!
        1. +7
          5 July 2022 08: 23
          Or maybe people are not interested in other people's problems? Why rejoice then with spray from the mouth? Well, perhaps the fact that so far all this is not at war with us. What about VKS (rhetorical question)? According to estimates, there has never reached 75% of the combat readiness of the "American" ones.
          1. -1
            5 July 2022 08: 48
            According to estimates, there has never reached 75% of the combat readiness of the "American" ones.

            This is according to estimates, estimates, this is about the same as the OBS agency, well, or the conversation of pique vests.
            Cowbra he said everything correctly, for which he was given minuses is not clear. We are accustomed to the expression of underestimation, forgetting that the overestimation of a potential adversary can be much worse. The United States is accustomed to bluffing and a lot of people fall for it. Looking at their formidable appearance and payroll, they do not notice how his knees tremble under the table and his eyelid twitches.
            They can't even sit on a bike anymore.
            1. -1
              6 July 2022 03: 17
              Reappraisal? Remind you what the US military budget is? Thanks to people like you, there can only be underestimation, and underestimation, as you noticed, is very bad.
              1. 0
                6 July 2022 07: 18
                Tired of this budget. Try to strain yourself at least once and understand the peculiarities of the formation of the military budget in the United States and here. If the strength is not enough, then ask yourself the cost of the F-35 and why their developer does not recommend flying supersonic, why experts compare THEM with the Su-35, and not with the Su-57, if the strength is not enough, then just compare the cost of the weapons common in the troops, small arms for the budget, and then ask yourself the question why we have Daggers, but they still have not passed the throw tests for 5M. Denseness and "everything is gone", that's what's bad.
                1. -2
                  6 July 2022 16: 36
                  The military budget is made up of a large amount of the fact that they have millions of professional aircraft, with a bunch of the most modern technology.

                  There may be many questions about the F-22 and F-35. But there is an important nuance: several hundred (about 500, it seems) of these aircraft are already in service and are being effectively used. In the case of the F-22 - more than 20 years. Fifth generation fighters, yes. And how many Su-57s are in service? How long?

                  "Denseness" - this is your caps. Articles from 2016 about one "invulnerable cruiser" have already been cited here. What was the outcome? The assessment must be sound. And people like you - belittling (intentionally?) in a clownish manner the possibilities of a potential enemy, which can lead to his underestimation and tragic consequences due to this very underestimation - pests.
                  1. +1
                    6 July 2022 17: 41
                    this is yours, we will throw hats

                    Dyslexia is when a person reads and does not understand what is written.
                    If you go up to my first comment, as well as to all subsequent ones, you will not see (perhaps if you read it ten times) that in none of them I called on anyone to throw anything, but only noted the adequacy and rarity of the article. There are really few of them, because it is useless to explain anything to amateurs.
                    And now about dilettantism.
                    The military budget is made up of a large amount of the fact that they have millions of professional aircraft, with a bunch of the most modern technology.

                    First, the wild budget is spent mainly on the maintenance of all this modern, like the F-35, about a billion for the entire service life, why I will explain below.
                    Second, all this, incl. and military personnel are kept for the most part abroad, at various bases, where the content of all this junk is multiplied tenfold, if not more.
                    And the third most important. After all, it was not in vain that I suggested that you compare the cost of small arms, I hoped that it would give you an idea. Who produces the conditional Kalash? What about M-16 or AR-15? We have state-owned enterprises, but what about them??? The difference in price is 10-15 times. And all this iron shooting and bombing requires maintenance and repair, the question is where? So all this trillion-dollar budget flies to one place, i.e. into the pockets of a private owner who owns a factory in the military-industrial complex.
                    A colleague is calmer if you are really a colleague, and not an amateur. Fear has big eyes, you have to be more objective.
          2. +1
            5 July 2022 08: 56
            Quote: d4rkmesa
            % combat readiness "American" 75 did not reach.

            Because the Americans themselves never reached it! They, according to their own reports, have the best indicator - 61 - by the way, the ancient junk has a "damn cross". And for example, the supernova F-35 last time flunked the Pentagon's state acceptance with the readiness of medium-sized aircraft undergoing POLYGON tests, not at war - they ended in 2019, they went on for more than a year - the percentage of readiness was 42 !!! 75% they have it for the press and there are bunny boys with cookies on a branch below
        2. +2
          5 July 2022 08: 28
          Actually, there was a topic, to replace the engines with B - 52, with four new ones. But somehow it got quiet.
        3. 0
          5 July 2022 20: 43
          Quote: Cowbra
          The entire air fleet is covered with carpet bombing of Iraqs and Afghans - the resource has been fully depleted

          and then what about the resource of the Tu-22m3, which went to Syria for several years. After all, there are much fewer of them than b1 in the USA. And we can't take others. Is it possible to drag the last glider in Kazan from the pedestal.
      2. +4
        5 July 2022 08: 16
        Quote from Witsapiens
        It's good if they have most of the planes not ready

        Hm. You are comparing the number of American combat-ready with the Chinese / Russian payroll, did I catch it correctly?
        1. +1
          5 July 2022 09: 01
          Quote: Negro
          You are comparing

          No, b l and n!!!
          Quote: Cowbra
          The problem is that people simply don't listen when they are told that there COULD be problems in the US.
          1. +5
            5 July 2022 09: 13
            There are a lot of problems in the USA. And in the US, there are all sorts of congressional commissions out there that portray violent activity. And all sorts of retired "analytical centers" who write constantly, and diametrically opposed things.

            So "horror" is always there, but "horror-horror-horror" is relatively rare. In fact, one follows from the other.
            1. 0
              5 July 2022 09: 25
              Quote: Negro
              but "horror-horror-horror" is relatively rare

              While there was an enemy - yes. And now - not just not rarely, but 30 years continuously. Name what successfully took off from projects in 30 years? I asked this question here, they only remembered a submarine of some kind. ALL.
              How, not horror-horror? Do you understand that they ALREADY finally waved their Air Force at the F-35, which was never accepted by the Pentagon, and the drones that Iran is planting? How is that in general? For example, they don’t have the money to maintain a squadron of at least “aggressors” for training personnel - there were a lot of them in the Cold War. Now hiring private
              A real rarity crashed in North Carolina - a 63-year-old "Hunter", which belonged to a private ATAC sharashka, which leases aircraft to the armed forces of the United Provinces as a "probable enemy" for all sorts of exercises. What happened to the pilot is not known, the forecast is bad - the plane crashed into the ocean. In general, typical miserliness - instead of the target unit of the "aggressors", which in the United States were at one time like uncut dogs, hire "for a while - 10, for the night - 25, and do not take less from anyone" from "Horns and Tires" flying antiques with "disposable" pilots ...

              They have atas on atas everywhere now, do you think they got it in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen - wherever they fought - just like that? Is it just that Iran beats them as it wants in Iraq and among the Saudis, setting fire to an American plant for the third time? And they only wipe the snot?
              There was a hegemon, all left, hegemon instead of him. And is it normal to get bream from everywhere? Kim was intimidated? China scared? Did they help Georgia and Ukraine?
              1. +6
                5 July 2022 10: 07
                Quote: Cowbra
                Name what successfully took off from projects in 30 years? I asked this question here, they only remembered a submarine of some kind. ALL.

                Some strange question. More or less everything has changed in 30 years. New or serious modernization of the old. The only serious aspect in which an obvious flaw is the lack of art 155/52.
                Quote: Cowbra
                waved their Air Force at the F-35, which was never accepted by the Pentagon

                He is not accepted by the Pentagon in the wet fantasies of the Russian Internet. In reality, it has been working for a long time. Naturally, there is talk that that plane is not good and this one is bad - this is how they have been going on for 100 years.
                Quote: Cowbra
                drones that Iran is landing?

                Everything that flies falls from time to time. Especially drones, there are lower requirements for reliability.
                Quote: Cowbra
                They have atas on atas everywhere now, do you think they got it in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen - wherever they fought - just like that? Is it just that Iran beats them as it wants in Iraq and among the Saudis, setting fire to an American plant for the third time?

                )))
                You have some strange ideas about Americans. Just a superpower can afford to do strictly what it sees fit. And not to rush like a mad dog at any negligent.
                Worse, the problem of Americans since the 19th century is the lack of an adequate colonial policy. You don’t need to come and give a lot of mind over the ears, but where to taxi then - the devil knows. Therefore, from a military point of view, nothing prevents rolling out the same Cuba for the second time for more than 30 years, but no one knows what to do with it later.
                1. -1
                  5 July 2022 10: 15
                  Quote: Negro
                  He is not accepted by the Pentagon in the wet fantasies of the Russian Internet.

                  Here on this everything is clear with you. Where, when did the F-35 pass the final tests and lose the status of "LIMITED combat readiness"? And why is the batch marking still not serial but pre-serial LRIP?
                  You are either off topic or lying
                  1. 0
                    5 July 2022 10: 32
                    Quote: Cowbra
                    Here on this everything is clear with you

                    Really. Russian couch fighter with penguins is a diagnosis.
                    Quote: Cowbra
                    Pre-production LRIP

                    )))
                    This is a separate joke, 15 "pre-production" series, with the last 5 - respectively 141, 149, 160, 169, 148 cars. It's nice to be American.

                    Although you are partly right. The farce that the Pentagon staged with the F-35, when for 5 years state-owned asses in uniform and without shoulder straps cannot fill more and more papers invented by them themselves - this is a shame, of course.
                    1. -5
                      5 July 2022 10: 57
                      Quote: Negro
                      Really.

                      The fact is that we are a *** (abnormal) country. In addition, we have a *** (abnormal) collective unconscious. The average Ukrainian, if it is possible to think in such categories, is the ideal victim of the informational semantic war. All connections in the brain are broken, we suggest, that is, instead of a brain, he has an ideal gas. An extremely instructive spectacle, I would say.

                      Your Arestovich about you, 2 years ago. Go wash your face
                      1. +7
                        5 July 2022 11: 15
                        Quote: Cowbra
                        Your Arestovich about you

                        And who is it? And what can I have to do with him?
                      2. +5
                        5 July 2022 14: 47
                        Quote: Negro
                        Quote: Cowbra
                        Your Arestovich about you

                        And who is it? And what can I have to do with him?

                        You won the dialogue! Opponent spent on flint and flint at the end.
                        Credit love
                    2. +5
                      5 July 2022 15: 27
                      Quote: Negro
                      This is a separate joke, 15 "pre-production" series, with the last 5 - respectively 141, 149, 160, 169, 148 cars. It's nice to be American.

                      Well, why only an American. You can recall the domestic Yak-28L and Yak-28P: the cars were produced for years, accepted by the Air Force and Air Defense (almost five and a half hundred aircraft), served in units - but they were not accepted into service. laughing
                      1. +2
                        5 July 2022 21: 04
                        The remark mainly referred to the number of non-serial F-35s compared to serial Su-35s, not to mention serial Su-57s.
                      2. +1
                        6 July 2022 10: 23
                        Yes ... we would have their pre-series production rates. sad
        2. 0
          6 July 2022 02: 14
          I don't compare anything. This comrade above analyzes.
      3. +2
        5 July 2022 10: 46
        Yes. It's like with aircraft carriers - out of 11 of them, only 3-4 are constantly combat-ready and deployed, but if necessary, for example, to put pressure on the DPRK, they put 7-8 units into combat service in a couple of months, with all the qualifications and qualifications for air wings.
      4. 0
        23 August 2022 02: 17
        Because you are lying
    2. +11
      5 July 2022 05: 46
      Damn, yes, it's been said about 200 times, it's just that there is a sect, the sect does not believe - and that's it!

      I remembered the cheers-propaganda for 2016

      https://topwar.ru/96114-nimic-protiv-moskvy-ocenka-realnyh-vozmozhnostey.html

      Our anti-aircraft complex is not inferior in performance to the Western one, rather it surpasses it. And that means less efficiency. The probability that 6 "Harpoons" (or even 12) will overcome all three lines of defense of the cruiser Moskva is very low. Such low-speed targets as the Harpoon anti-ship missiles are fairly easy targets for all modern air defense systems.


      They cheered, cheered, but in fact ...
      1. -5
        5 July 2022 05: 53
        Quote from kristal
        but in fact...

        And what is it really? Harpoon mattresses do not confirm ... They threw it, they threw it, but in reality you have nothing to say, and even more so on the topic
        1. +7
          5 July 2022 05: 58

          And what is it really?

          There is a sea cruiser at the bottom, but you keep yelling, as they say, who doesn’t give, and even on the NVO until they take the uryakolok, I don’t want to yell
          1. -5
            5 July 2022 06: 42
            ... and porridge in my head, and an article about the US Air Force ... Moreover, the report of the Americans ... And in my posts - facts, unlike yours - fiction
            1. +2
              5 July 2022 06: 47
              And in my posts - the facts

              Rotten cheers-propoganda, these are facts, well, well laughing

              Oh, to take you propogandons and on the T-62 in dill, to fight. So just like rats run away halfway)
              1. 0
                5 July 2022 07: 37
                Oh, to take you propogandons and on the T-62 in dill, to fight.

                I see you are writing from a trench laughing how much did he crawl away from his mother's sofa?
            2. 0
              5 July 2022 07: 27

              Cowbra
              Today, 06: 42


              you found someone to argue with. Here the aggravation is seasonal in all-weapons and other liberal hamsters. If earlier they did not hesitate to pour shit on the government and Russia, now they have a new genre - to shit on the NWO. They are afraid that they will be pulled by the proboscis, so they mimicked the mourners "Ameryga wins, and we wail with paws" laughing
              1. +4
                5 July 2022 07: 40
                Quote: Ka-52
                you found someone to argue with.

                So I quit))) I just didn’t realize when I was awake
              2. +3
                5 July 2022 08: 52
                drinks They did not even notice that they had jumped off the topic of the article.
                1. +4
                  5 July 2022 09: 00
                  Now I’m reading old issues of VO, ten years ago. Somehow then the people pulled up the flooders in this section. We tried to write more on the topic. Now it starts with planes, and ends with crying at the rising price of sausage lol
                  1. +3
                    5 July 2022 09: 10
                    Moreover, articles with a more or less adequate analysis of the state of US weapons are not often found. But it's not very tolerant...
                    1. +2
                      5 July 2022 09: 22
                      And why do you need an adequate analysis? Well, let's open, let's say, Kramnik's telegrams, quite a patriot on the payroll, and we read that the US Armed Forces are carrying out revolutionary changes and, as a result, will correlate with the current RF Armed Forces in terms of quality, approximately like the army of 45 years with Kuropatkin's forces.

                      Well, who would like to read this?
                      1. +3
                        5 July 2022 10: 14
                        it will be unpleasant to read only to fools who look only at the performance characteristics of the ammunition, not taking into account how, where and under what circumstances it will be used. The same applies to apologists for American weapons, who, having seen the range of the Brimstone missile, believe that the air defense of the near zone will go into oblivion. The same thing happened to the fanatics of the Javelins and Bayraktars.
                      2. 0
                        6 July 2022 03: 23
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        fools who look only at the performance characteristics of the ammunition, not taking into account how, where and under what circumstances it will be used

                        It's true. For example, some people wrote about American UAVs that it was easy to shoot them down. The only nuance is that the United States intends and is able to produce them in huge quantities. It's cheaper than a plane. And if you count the losses, it's much cheaper than a lost plane with a pilot.
                      3. +2
                        6 July 2022 06: 07
                        It's cheaper than a plane. And if you count the losses, it's much cheaper than a lost plane with a pilot.

                        there is an answer why UAVs account for only 2% of targets hit among all cases of the use of US combat aircraft? Despite the fact that the US has the largest fleet of UAVs in the world - they make up almost half of their air force. Let's write your version. I doubt very much that I will wait for an answer - apparently you still need to finish school
                      4. -3
                        5 July 2022 11: 48
                        Well, open up, in the cart now you can discover a lot of things for yourself. Excuse me, but your comment is some kind of cognitive dissonance. However, you are slightly betrayed by the expression "a patriot on a salary", do you think that there should be a liberal vote on the salary, and a patriot should be in rags and barefoot? Just above my comment there was a remark about fools, in this case, those who believe that there are revolutionary changes in the USA, and we, as always, have a plow and a cart.)))))
                      5. +6
                        5 July 2022 12: 00
                        Quote: Paladin
                        Excuse me, but your comment is some kind of cognitive dissonance

                        What could be the dissonance? There are patriots who are completely detached from reality, and there are patriots who, for various reasons, are forced to pay attention to it from time to time. In both cases, it usually turns out pretty funny.

                        And the phrase "a patriot on a salary" should be understood literally: this is an employee of the IMEMO RAS named after V.I. Primakov, therefore limited by criticism individual flaws, but cannot afford to comment on the course of the Party and the government, and even more so of personalities.
                      6. -1
                        5 July 2022 12: 26
                        The dissonance is that you do not express your opinion, but are trying to impose yours on me
                        And why do you need an adequate analysis?

                        Mentioning, moreover, Kramnik, whom I have not heard of before you and will not hear further, and digressing from the topic of the article. My personal knowledge and experience is quite enough for me to assess whether the information is adequate and acceptable or not. By the way, there is nothing in the article about the "course of the Party and the government" and even more so personalities. So I can understand your cry from the heart, but it does not apply to the essence.
                      7. 0
                        7 July 2022 17: 46
                        There are patriots who are completely out of touch with reality

                        Moreover, it should be noted that such individuals often turn out to be no better, if not worse, than an outright enemy in terms of the degree of harm caused to their activities :( Such is the sad truth of life
                    2. -2
                      6 July 2022 03: 31
                      You know, in one neighboring country there are many figures who loved (and love) to tell fables about their miracle weapon and belittle the army of other neighbors. They say that things are not very good in this very neighboring country now.

                      "Hat throwers" are not much better than any "all-throwers" in terms of the harm they can bring to their country.
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              4. -3
                6 July 2022 03: 25
                Do you know who you distinctly remind me of? Arestovich and similar Ukrainian analysts! Those almost Moscow were going to take their APU. Only now reality has shown that this is actually impossible from the word at all.
                1. +1
                  6 July 2022 06: 09
                  you remind me of a stupid bawler who does not even know how to substantiate his thought. Although you don’t remind me, that’s how you are
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      2. -3
        5 July 2022 21: 54
        Is there any evidence that the RCC drowned him?
      3. 0
        7 July 2022 16: 03
        I think the cruiser fell as a result of an accident (violation of safety regulations, wear of mechanisms, etc.) and no level of crew training. You do not forget that it was in the Russian Federation that they were able to flood the largest floating dock in Europe.
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  4. +16
    5 July 2022 04: 48
    Roman, as they say, we would have their problems! And in the sky near the Donbass and the nearest airspace, not interest is flying, but real transport workers transporting goods, including the military from the United States, England, NATO countries to a non-country, for war. Poseidons also fly, their ubla-spies fly, about which we can only dream and dream. There are problems in financing, will they finally take ours? 350 billion dollars, especially live money, will still be made!
    1. +6
      5 July 2022 06: 05
      Quote: Thrifty
      And in the sky near the Donbass and the nearest airspace, not percentages fly

      You can even look at non-American ones. Three months ago it was loudly said - "Ukrainian aviation has been destroyed!!!". And she, damn it, flies out of nowhere. Yes, they shoot down, but it flies and for a reason, and sometimes it hurts.
      1. +1
        5 July 2022 13: 07
        It is not the aviation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that is the problem: it flies, but sporadically. The problem is not suppressed long-range and medium-range air defense. If the air defense were suppressed, then there would be no need to shoot the KR at warehouses, airfields and bridges.
      2. +3
        5 July 2022 21: 45
        and I have a logical question - and who is sitting behind the RUS and RUD of these Su-25 and MiG-29 (the most popular crafts over Ukraine well + Su-24) ??? .. what can we believe in our bird-Govorun (differs in mind and ingenuity) Konoshenko that ~ 250 crafts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were shot down during the period of the SVO .. and where did so many pilots come from .. no, of course, Ukraine was full of retirees, but I have doubts about their motivation (this is not a youngster who grew up from 2014-2022 i.e. .from the lower grades on Old Man Bender and ''..ponad usi'' but here is the MAX that they know how to do it out of art (on the hook) or use Jewelin (not the fact that skillfully) but who are those people that again and again raise in the sky is that junk that I collect all over Europe and distill to Ukraine ??? and there are no clear answers ..
  5. -7
    5 July 2022 04: 53
    And what will the brave American guys from the aircraft carrier squadrons go into battle with - this will be a very difficult question.

    With the development of hypersonic weapons, this difficult question may sound like this:
    “From what aircraft carriers are these“ brave guys ”are going to scare their enemies, designated in NATO registries?”
    1. +3
      5 July 2022 06: 32
      Hello, what do you think, will they attack Russia immediately, or will they be preparing for a long time? Never beat Enigma. 50% of the battle will be won by intelligence, counterintelligence, information, disinformation. Also - how do we know that something new is not ahead of them?
  6. +11
    5 July 2022 05: 10
    I would like to see a link to the original article. Something smacks of outright bullshit. In 92, in Khotilovo, we had 32 aircraft in the regiment, and of these, only 4 were under repair, 28 were ready to fly. And these were - the so-called. dashing 90s. Americans are a zealous and scrupulous people. Maybe, for example, there is a problem with the electronics on the F22 and it is planned to be solved. But the article lists almost all types of aircraft, and all - with a readiness of 50%. It looks like the Wishlist of the General Staff. Underestimating the enemy, we know what it leads to
    1. +3
      5 July 2022 15: 48
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      In 92, in Khotilovo, we had 32 aircraft in the regiment, and of these, only 4 were under repair, 28 were ready to fly. And these were - the so-called. dashing 90s.

      So this is the 92nd year - the Armed Forces still live on Soviet safety margins.
      After 10 years, from the air division and the VTA regiment, they managed to recruit equipment and personnel for one flying regiment.
      And after the arrival of the furniture maker, it turned out that such a picture is in all the Air Force: one real one can be assembled from three paper shelves. In the Far East, then 22 guiaps "named after the swan of cancer and pike" were assembled - which has three squadrons on three-c-half types of aircraft (counting the Su-30M2 and SM together for one and a half types). And when the MPA was transferred to the DA, the "paper" regiment and squadron of the MA turned out to be one flying squadron of the Air Force.

      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      Americans are a zealous and scrupulous people. Maybe, for example, there is a problem with the electronics on the F22 and it is planned to be solved. But the article lists almost all types of aircraft, and all - with a readiness of 50%.

      One of the reasons for the problems with equipment is that the US Air Force has a big problem with the service life of aircraft.
      The American magazine "Air Force Magazine" published an article by John A. Tirpak "Air Force Wants to Cut 421 Old Fighters, Buy 304 New Ones" ("The US Air Force wants to write off 421 old fighters, having bought only 304 new ones"), which reports that According to the FY 2022 U.S. Budget Discussion Notes received by the magazine, the U.S. Air Force will request the U.S. Congress to decommission 421 obsolete combat aircraft by 2026, replacing them with just 304 new fighters. Savings from operating a smaller fleet of combat aircraft will be used to acquire new aircraft systems such as the Next-Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) fighter later this decade, and the new MR-X multirole fighter in the 2030s.
      (...)
      The document also indicates that obsolete aircraft systems are becoming "significantly more expensive to maintain" and that the US Air Force operates one of the oldest fleets of combat aircraft in the world. The document indicates that the average age of the US Air Force combat aircraft fleet is 28,6 years. In comparison, the average age of the US Navy fleet is 14,4 years; the average age of the US Army Aviation fleet is 15,3 years; The Royal Australian Air Force is 8,9 years and the Royal Air Force of Great Britain is 16,5 years.

      Air Force Deputy Chief of Staff for Plans and Programs Lieutenant General David S. Nahom said this week that the Air Force's operating costs are "skyrocketing" and rising twice as fast as inflation due to the age of aircraft. He said 44 percent of the US Air Force fleet had exceeded its planned service life. Initially it was assumed that the F-16 fighters would only serve until about 2005.
      © bmpd
    2. kig
      0
      6 July 2022 02: 22
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      I would like to see a link to the original article.
      - information about the study of the American Accounts Chamber is replicated by many enemy media, for example, a friend of the author, Kai Mizokami, noted here

      https://www.yahoo.com/now/hundreds-key-u-warplanes-aren-162400482.html

      but he is not alone:
      https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2014/09/14/the_pentagons_800_billion_real_estate_problem_107438.html

      And the report of the Accounts Chamber is here https://www.gao.gov/assets/730/721285.pdf

      In general, if you delve into the American press, you can find information for every taste. For example, here you can find out about the deplorable state of American shipyards, which - who would have thought !! - do not have the ability to maintain the submarine fleet in good condition:
      https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57083

      In general, it would be nice to see a similar study on our videoconferencing ...
  7. +8
    5 July 2022 05: 15
    The Pentagon's huge fleet of military aircraft is much less powerful than it looks

    Is it from the same opera that we take Ukraine in two weeks, after it has been building up weapons for 8 years?
    1. -2
      5 July 2022 06: 06
      And who said it?
      1. +4
        5 July 2022 15: 20
        Quote: Cottodraton
        And who said it?

        Yes, many people, for example this one:

        This war will last, Volodya, well, a maximum of three or four days. There will be no one to fight against us.

        By the time they deploy there and send some troops here, we will already be standing at the English Channel. They know it"


        5 Feb SG
        1. 0
          9 July 2022 12: 39
          He, I understand, is sitting on the resource?
          1. 0
            9 July 2022 15: 53
            He definitely sits on the resource, he gives it to him, who has a plan.
  8. Eug
    +4
    5 July 2022 05: 19
    Let's start with the fact that the number of combat-ready boards is always decently lower than the list - part of the regulations or under repair (well, if planned). It is clear that they are trying to return them to service as soon as possible (but in accordance with the governing documents). Surely, it is possible to slightly raise the percentage of combat-ready (as in the article, the term "combat-ready" is more familiar to me) due to technical cannibalism, but this is one-time and will have a negative impact in the future. In fairness, I remember how the engineering department racked their brains, with difficulty determining a board capable of flying "to the ceiling" according to the plan .. and this was in the late 80s, then it got worse ...
  9. +9
    5 July 2022 05: 29
    Probably the author believes that in other countries of the world the situation is much better. 50% combat-ready is quite a normal figure.
  10. +22
    5 July 2022 05: 35
    And what will the brave American guys from aircraft carrier squadrons go into battle with - this will be a very difficult question.

    But we know on what and with what our infantry will fight: T-62, T-55 and BMP-1. So is it worth worrying about the Americans with their flight crew problems, which nevertheless did not prevent them from killing the world's fourth army at that time (meaning the Iraqi army)?

    I consider this kind of article deliberately harmful, because. it is they that give the vast majority of the population false confidence in the weakness of our opponents. Moreover, these moods (look how weak they are, but right now we are left alone), thanks to the efforts of propagandists, they have the peculiarity of shaping the views of not only the lower strata of the population, but also those responsible for making government decisions. What this leads to can be seen on the example of Ukraine, which the main media mouthpiece of the Old Square Saloviev-Shapiro promised to take in 3 days.

    The same applies to the saying
    Planes fight, not numbers
    It sounds, of course, beautiful, and at first glance it seems to be correct, but that's the catch, that it is numbers that win wars. And the average numbers. If your industry is able to create at least 001% more tanks, planes, missiles and ships than your opponent has, consider yourself a winner. The only question is that the numbers correspond to the real state of affairs. How can one not recall M. Twain with his aphorism: "There are big and small lies, but there are statistics." Another question that hurt the Americans is such that some will not even have the life of a whole generation to get to them.

    Therefore, my wishes to Roman, to whom I have a very good attitude: when writing analytical articles on the state of certain components of the armed forces of our "non-partners", try to assess their combat capability as restrained as possible, without sarcastic comments and judgments, in many respects exaggerating the audience's perception of the material.
    1. +2
      6 July 2022 02: 08
      I would add T-72 A and BMP-2 to the list. There are still a lot of them at storage bases, and repairs are still possible.
  11. -12
    5 July 2022 06: 09
    Canadian commies, "Russian citizens" and other whiners are bombed again. Eat the sacred! Dare to criticize the hail on the hill! Here you need to whine that everything is bad, we don’t know how to fight, we need to give up and in general, everything, as usual, is gone
  12. +1
    5 July 2022 06: 11
    And what will the brave American guys from the aircraft carrier squadrons go into battle with - this will be a very difficult question.

    And we, the Russians, what's the matter. We have our own army and our own problems. The worse for the Americans, the better for us.
  13. +8
    5 July 2022 06: 37
    But you don’t need to console yourself with this fact .. the Americans are serious warriors .. and in the event of a collision with them, they will drink our blood pretty well
    1. -9
      5 July 2022 07: 00
      This is where they fought so seriously, with the Papuans?
      1. +1
        5 July 2022 22: 03
        but you can ask ..and WHERE was the last time ''seriously'' fought the Air Force (sorry already VKS) of Russia ??? and there we managed to lose the Tu-8.8.8 (and this is not a lot, not a little strategist) well, another ~ 22 crafts (not exactly) .. well, Syria .. the same MANPADS and the same losses (well, another F-7 Erdogan, who overwhelmed our Su-16, which amazes me - they went without open source software and without surveillance radars, but ..) and finally Ukraine .. and that our VKS rules ??? from the videos (very scarce) on YouTube, the work of Ka -24 (already having losses in the SVO) which shows very funny NURS launches from a nose-up .. well, and a couple of Su-52 interceptions (more like videos from DCS .. ILS + capture + PR ..) .. anyone thinks ukrovskie The Air Force (not the VSK, although the entire NATO satellite constellation rules the Armed Forces of Ukraine) is a serious adversary with the latest and most numerous weapons or something ... but something like that
        py.sy .. in fact, the last time we fought with the states in Korea and it was face to face (without a proxy, like in Vietnam) and then the result was controversial (well, except that the Americans removed their B-29s from service) .. everything that happened then (Vietnam and the battles over Sinai) it’s minuscule .. although our guys died there too (someone else doesn’t remember them) .. but we didn’t meet with amers and other NATO members in the sky .. something like this
        1. -1
          6 July 2022 08: 25
          Seriously, count, if it doesn't make it difficult to count the Russians with the striped ones in Korea and Vietnam. There were no real fights with them.
          And in the future, no one can predict anything. Hello striped.
          1. +1
            6 July 2022 18: 48
            and whose data you propose to take as a basis??? amerovskie or the USSR??? and who has more faith and who can not be trusted in anything ???
            1. +1
              7 July 2022 06: 03
              Such childish stupid questions. fool
              Life has long shown that the striped lie as they breathe, and in this they have no equal in the entire universe. From the latter, take at least the election of the current president, when even the dead voted for him. hi
  14. +5
    5 July 2022 06: 38
    The article, no doubt, can be called optimistic, but only on one condition. If a similar analysis can be carried out on our side and on the Chinese side.
    1. +1
      6 July 2022 02: 17
      China is in a difficult situation. There are many aircraft, but a significant number of them: local versions of the MiG-21. The basis of China's aviation aircraft: J-7; J-8; Q-5. The planes are far from the newest, and are largely limited to the level of machines of the 60s (modernization of the 80s)
      1. 0
        6 July 2022 06: 33
        Even if the MiG-21. I mean how many are ready to go. Something tells me that the situation is no better than the United States. But for some reason no one can analyze.
        1. 0
          11 July 2022 17: 18
          China is a closed country. But I think you can analyze the Chinese Air Force. Yes, and China does not hesitate to test its aircraft in Pakistan. I'll think about it, and if I collect at least a few sources, I'll write an article about the Chinese Air Force
  15. 0
    5 July 2022 06: 42
    But instead, the GAO indicated how often, between 2012 and 2021, American aircraft performed assigned tasks as part of various missions. F-16 has reached its zero mark (that is, not a single combat mission was completed during the reporting year) in nine years, the F-35A reached its target in just two of its eight years of active service, and the C-17 in nine years.

    Such low mission fitness scores are the result of

    author, you forget about the fleet of drones that took on most of the tasks
    1. -2
      5 July 2022 08: 12
      The author demands from America not to get out of wars, so that there are combat missions every year and for any aircraft. Interesting author.
    2. +7
      5 July 2022 08: 46
      Quote: Disant
      you forget about the fleet of drones,


      In the morning, I didn’t immediately realize, I thought “who is he signaling to, this is a drone.” According to Zadornovski, he even smiled, but then he realized that the operator was driving remotely there. That's where the technology has come. smile
  16. +6
    5 July 2022 06: 56
    Who is the author's question really addressed to? To us to calm us down. To keep your knees from shaking.

    And judging by the speed with which and in what quantity those who have loot in their stash are dribbling to the West - their knees are shaking ...... and one place is playing .... The rate of capital outflow from Russia has not decreased, but increased ! No matter how the "duty patriots" puff out their cheeks, it's all-inclusive.

    Thank God, even under Joseph, we had atomic weapons. Heh ..... heh ... The main "mine" laid by the Bolsheviks .... Otherwise there would be such stupid ..... who themselves thought of dividing their country into 15 parts and now are at enmity and even fighting among themselves - for a long time , would have been rolled into dust a long time ago.

    As for the "guys from the USA" - they are not fools, they understand that if they themselves do not attack anyone, no one will attack them for sure. There can be no talk of this.
  17. -4
    5 July 2022 06: 58
    The lower the B / G striped aviation, the better for the planet.
  18. +8
    5 July 2022 07: 03
    The journalist finds out that in reality the percentage of aircraft combat readiness is 50-70% and presents it as a sensation, series 168.

    Especially funny with the naval ones. If he finds out that from ZERO to 30% of carrier-based aircraft are on combat duty in "quiet time", he will be torn apart with delight. And local patriots with him.
  19. -1
    5 July 2022 07: 09
    They have the 5th generation a long time ago in the series, a lot of trained pilots, infrastructure, service is established ... All these aircraft that are not ready for combat now are simply in storage, saving motor resources, right, why drive them all? In case of war, in another week they will be removed from conservation and they will fly. And with us? .. Maybe it's our "drawn" SU-57 ...
  20. 0
    5 July 2022 07: 31
    Guys, this is how they treat gay clubs))).
  21. +7
    5 July 2022 07: 55
    Do you think our situation is better? I don’t even want to comment, it’s too painful a topic.
    1. +3
      5 July 2022 08: 10
      And there was already an article on the VO "How many sorties on combat missions per month can 1000 aircraft of the payroll of the Aerospace Forces?"
  22. +1
    5 July 2022 08: 00
    Didn't even read. All washed away all these "leaks": "Give me more money! Otherwise, the Russians / Chinese will come."
  23. +9
    5 July 2022 08: 01
    But even in this state, they have more planes ready to perform a combat mission than we do. There are more raptors than the Nat Su-57.
    And the trend towards an imbalance between ready-made cars and cars awaiting repairs is just a consequence of the fact that the leadership does not yet see a serious threat in the sky from either China or Russia, and therefore is in no hurry to spend money on bringing the entire fleet to readiness. There will be a need, money will be found and within 5-7 years you will be repaired and modernized.
    1. +6
      5 July 2022 08: 27
      Moreover, most likely, there are more Raptors alone than all relatively new fighters of various types (Su-35, SU-30SM), including non-combat-ready ones.
  24. +2
    5 July 2022 09: 28
    Woke up. Was it scary? And nothing can be done. All decisions are made (I think SO). And if they are not accepted, then ... we will go to hell.
  25. +1
    5 July 2022 10: 22
    They write about it every 2 months, IMHO.
    But this is just a bare statement. Is this bad or normal? That about 50% are ready to take off at any time, and the rest - after preparation.

    But it would be interesting to compare their% combat readiness with ours, with Chinese, with Jewish ...

    I haven’t seen any data about ours, but sometimes it leaks out that the number of sorties of our pilots is much, much less than Amer’s. Perhaps things are even worse for us? much worse?
    1. -9
      5 July 2022 10: 53
      Quote: Max1995
      I haven’t seen any data about ours, but sometimes it leaks out that the number of sorties of our pilots is much, much less than Amer’s

      90% of the flight personnel of the Russian Armed Forces passed through Syria. Now all the RF Armed Forces in full force (through rotation every 1-2 months) pass through Ukraine. Our army is the most combat-ready army in the world. We in Ukraine are opposed to the NATO bloc, which uses Ukrainians as manpower. We are advancing, moving forward, NATO (USA) is retreating. It is a fact!
      1. +1
        5 July 2022 14: 15
        With the same success, you can write that the Martians are retreating ....
        it’s about planes, and obviously not Ukrainian ones ...
    2. +2
      5 July 2022 14: 35
      50% is still more than some. But the main thing is quality and efficiency (combat effectiveness).
      The USSR had a huge air force and combat readiness in most parts of the front line was maintained at the level of 90%. In the IAP, for example, there were at least 45 ... 50 aircraft. In the 1990s, the IAP had 24 aircraft, of which there were several combat-ready ones. Almost everything "combat-ready" was on duty.
      1. -1
        5 July 2022 17: 13
        Thank you.
        this is about the USSR and the 90s. Everything seems to be clear there.

        But what now and if we compare, say, with the Jews, China or Indonesia ...?
  26. +5
    5 July 2022 10: 46
    An article in the spirit of "we will defeat everyone, there are no analogues in the world, and everything is bad with them" laughing The United States has enough forces to organize the saturation of troops and training.
    Garbage articles, to create the illusion that a potential enemy is deplorable and that he does not carry any threat at all, cheers patriots love this.
    1. +9
      5 July 2022 11: 55
      Unfortunately, the resource has long turned from purely militaristic to propaganda.
  27. +4
    5 July 2022 10: 50
    And what will the brave American guys from the aircraft carrier squadrons go into battle with - this will be a very difficult question.
    "Beloved city can sleep peacefully, and dream, and turn green in the middle of spring." (c) So?
  28. +4
    5 July 2022 11: 31
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    And the question is - can our Sushki serve as tankers?
    They almost can.
    Almost - because for this you need to slightly modify the fuel system of the aircraft (embed a switching valve after the transfer pump and mount a fitting for connecting the PAZ-MK). Part of the Su-27 and Su-33, as well as export MiGs, have this revision. But from modern Dryers (Su-35, Su-30SM), no one from the factory has one (but it can be finalized in the TEC of air regiments).
    Well, there is a nuance that full-flow UPAZs are not available to them due to the peculiarities of the fuel systems (only PAZ-MK, in which fuel is supplied by transfer pumps of the tanker aircraft itself), which increases the refueling time by 2-3 times ...
    1. +3
      5 July 2022 12: 57
      On the Su-33, the STR7-4 fuel gauge system allows you to connect the UPAZ.
      There, wires from it with a connector go to this organ.
      And the cab has a fuel pumping indicator with a rack.
      But I did not see such things on the Su-34 and Su-30SM.
      Although I know for sure that the latter in the MKI version can carry UPAZ.
      But not ours, but English.
      1. +3
        5 July 2022 19: 06
        Quote: Osipov9391
        Although I know for sure that the latter in the MKI version can carry UPAZ
        If memory serves correctly, the MKI has a different fuel system from the SM. It is possible that changes were immediately made to it according to the Su-33 type (if not even divided according to the Su-24 type, where the UPAZ pumps from one group of tanks, while the engines operate from another).
        The essence of using it as a tanker is that the aircraft must be able to pump not only from external tanks to the main ones, but also “back”, from all tanks to the middle external one, instead of which the UPAZ is suspended (or on a separate PAZ-MK fitting, as on the MiG -29K).
        The Su-30SM does not know how, the Su-35 too - but both have a single line to the supply tank, which allows you to embed a valve into it with a tap to the PAZ-MK fitting under TEC conditions. The only ambush with a full-fledged UPAZ is that it is quite possible to evacuate the system of relatively thin pipelines of the Su-27 family with its horse consumption, and how the tanks will be consumed in this case (and what kind of shit will suck in) - God only knows.
        1. +3
          6 July 2022 00: 21
          Here is a photo of the rear cockpit of the Su-30MKI.
          There is, as usual, the stock indicator ITSS7-1. But to the right of the clock is an indicator
          IPT1-4. Pointer device with rack as on the Su-33 and MiG-29K.
          It is on it that the amount of fuel is wound up for pumping through the UPAZ.
          And this indicator is not just a "decorative" element.
          An electrical harness has been removed from it, which is connected to the STR7-4 (Su-33) or STR7-5I (Su-30MKI) system.
          Moreover, this indicator is part of the fuel gauge system. From it, a bundle of wires goes further through the mounting frame of the RMGC to the BUPR unit, where several boards are responsible for working with it.
          And the output signal goes directly to the UPAZ.
          In the form of a connector that goes to the attachment point of the UPAZ. I don’t remember exactly how many wires go there, I don’t have RTE at hand right now.
          Something about a dozen wires connects the UPAZ with STR.
          There seems to be a P-109 fuel temperature sensor.

          On the Su-33 and MiG-29K, this was the case from the very first prototypes.
          Since it has its own specifics in carrier-based aviation - weight and refueling restrictions.
          That is why they introduced the possibility of using fighters for such purposes.
          On the Su-30MKI, this is an order from India. Again, it's specific.

          Here on the Su-30SM (STR7-5MV), Su-34 (STR7-5A) and Su-35S (KUTR) I can’t say whether such a possibility is provided for in fuel gauge systems.
          I think no. Not provided.
          It is possible to modify these systems "semi-handicraft" by installing the IPT indicator in the cab, pulling the electrical harness from it to the RMGC frame where the STR blocks are located. And the replacement of the block that is responsible for the consumption of the block from the Su-30MKI.
          But again, the response wires on aircraft with UPAZ from STR go to pumps ...
  29. +7
    5 July 2022 11: 47
    Such studies are carried out to identify the real situation and eliminate problems. What is there to be happy about? Funding will be increased and strongly given the current situation. The same applies to other countries of the alliance. The presence of NATO forces and specifically the American army will be multiplied in Europe. The winner is not the one who does not make mistakes, but the one who knows how to draw conclusions from them and quickly eliminate them.
    1. 0
      5 July 2022 16: 02
      Quote from jngus
      The winner is not the one who does not make mistakes, but the one who knows how to draw conclusions from them and quickly eliminate them.

      Originally Smart, Not Winning
      old school :-))
  30. +9
    5 July 2022 13: 03
    Well, why do we need this, how much of what do the Americans have?
    It is better to see what their allies in Europe have.
    And there the balance of power is simply shameful for us.
    Only "Eurofighters" new are recruited under 500 pieces!
    And there are several times more AWACS aircraft than in Russia.

    As for the latter, this is a whole science. Russia does not even have any specialized
    schools for training crews of such equipment based on modern principles and experience.
    Soviet principles written on yellowed paper have long been outdated since since then many different UAVs have appeared that can mimic both helicopters and cruise missiles.
    And I doubt that there is at least one AWACS operator in the country with real experience in controlling / monitoring large aviation forces in a combat situation.
    We don't have that. And it has never been used in serious tasks.
    1. 0
      6 July 2022 11: 07
      And I doubt that in the country there is at least one AWACS operator with real management experience

      about 15 A-50 (U) machines are in service, of which 7 are modernized. A-100 - one car.
      they do not stand without crews.
      What now and in the past prevents you from gaining this experience?
      1. +2
        6 July 2022 13: 03
        There are not even a dozen A-50 serviceable cars there. And the A-100 was not accepted into service at all.
        There is no such act and the results of the CSI stretched until 2024.

        Experience is gained exclusively in such operations as Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya.
        When there was monitoring and control of large aviation forces.
        And in such cases, when NATO AWACS daily fly to the Ukrainian borders without saving fuel and resources.
        In addition, non-modernized A-50s can generally be put out of brackets. They are 40 years old, the equipment is hopelessly outdated. The element base is not produced.
        1. 0
          8 July 2022 08: 34
          Experience is gained exclusively in such operations as Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya.

          and why is Ukraine worse in terms of gaining experience? besides, there are land and sea exercises in Europe along our borders and the Mediterranean?
          1. -1
            8 July 2022 12: 55
            These are not correct comparisons, since it is not entirely appropriate to compare NATO military operations with Yugoslavia and Iraq with them.
            There were hundreds of their planes and helicopters in the air, there were also aircraft of the opposing sides.
            And this is the identification of targets, their selection for their own, others and not identified.
            Well, and a bunch of other things.

            In Ukraine, now neither our nor Ukrainian aviation almost fly. So several planes a day appear and that's it.
            1. 0
              8 July 2022 17: 10
              These are not correct comparisons, since it is not entirely appropriate to compare NATO military operations with Yugoslavia and Iraq with them.

              why? let's compare.
              .
              Invasion of Yugoslavia 3 months
              NATO losses - 23 combat aircraft, 4 helicopters, 11 unmanned aerial vehicles and 44 cruise missiles
              Yugoslavia losses - 75 aircraft
              SAM launchers - availability
              cruise missiles and UAVs - availability
              .
              Ukraine
              according to various sources, ALREADY under 200 devices were nailed.
              SAM launchers - availability
              cruise missiles and UAVs - availability
              .
              and there and there the same intensity of the air situation.
              so I object. I think ours do not sleep, although there are few of them.
              1. -2
                8 July 2022 18: 41
                Our AWACS aircraft are not used. There are no more than 5 of them left, all 35-40 years old. The Tashkent plant where they were made has not been supplying or servicing this equipment for a long time.
                For many machines, the airframe resource has long been developed, equipment that has not been modernized is approximately the end of the 70s in terms of functionality.
                It's useless in today's world. He will not see drones.
  31. +6
    5 July 2022 13: 49
    And what will the brave American guys from the aircraft carrier squadrons go into battle with - this will be a very difficult question.
    Author: Roman Skomorokhov
    And on what do Ukrainian pilots still fly on combat missions?
    If we take the number of aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force as of January 2021, then it turns out that on the balance sheet of the Air Force of Ukraine there were 638 units of aircraft of all categories (including those in storage)
    if we take combat-ready ones, this, in addition to fighters, bombers and attack aircraft, is also transport + training, a total of 162. As of yesterday, we have already shot down 229 aircraft, and this is already 67 more than Banderlogs had before the SVO. This time. Well, the Americans have much more physical and technical capabilities than Ukrainian aircraft repairmen. This is two. So on what the American brave guys will go into battle, such a question does not even arise for them, not to mention the fact that it would be voiced ...
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  33. +3
    5 July 2022 16: 34
    I see we have already defeated Ukraine, since we began to count airplanes in the USA? In any case, they have allies, and they will not throw all their planes into battle against Russia or China. And there are completely different numbers, it goes into the thousands.
  34. +5
    5 July 2022 17: 05
    what will you fight?

    they will be...
    "out of 186 F-22 Raptor fighters, only about 93 are ready to fly at any time ... the navy of 530 Super Hornets combat-ready about 267 machines ... B-1B" Lancer "only about 25 were ready at any time to perform combat missions. There is no data on the F-16 ... "
    "At the beginning of 2022: The United States has 13 aircraft in total, and Russia has 247 units. The United States also has twice as many fighters than the Russian Federation: 4 units versus 173 units. At the same time, they have almost the same number of attack aircraft : 1 and 957 units, respectively. The United States has 772 transport aircraft, but the Russian Federation has only 783 units.
    America has 774 special-purpose aircraft, and the Russian Federation has 132 units." ©
    you can safely divide everything by 2 - i.e. 50% can fight - and then complete superiority ...
    you don’t have to worry about them, but ask questions why it’s so bad in our country ...
    Here is the analysis for the Russian Aerospace Forces:
    "Judging by the available publications on the procurement of aviation equipment of the Moscow Region, we have several Su-57s, about a hundred Su-35s, about 110 Su-30s of various modifications, about 120 Su-34s and about 140 Su-25s. Up to three dozen Su-30s in fleet aviation.
    In total, this gives ~ 500+ modern strike and multi-purpose aircraft. The rest of the VKS aviation is either highly specialized vehicles or outdated models.
    In reality, given that the percentage of serviceable aircraft is always significantly below 100 and it is impossible to completely expose other strategic areas, we are talking about a very limited number of aircraft that, in principle, could be used in the west. The published data of the Ministry of Defense on the strikes against the NMD suggest that we are talking about a grouping of a few hundred aircraft of operational-tactical and army aviation.
    It is certain that in relation to the area of ​​the theater of operations - the area of ​​​​Ukraine is about 600 thousand square kilometers, and the length of the front line - more than 2 thousand kilometers, the number of Russian aviation is negligible. In fact, an aviation group can achieve operational air supremacy in only one direction, which is the main one at the moment. In other areas, it acts sporadically, as a "fire brigade" when an urgent need arises.
    1. +4
      5 July 2022 17: 38
      Here is what Russia has approximately, minus losses in Ukraine and the removal of cars for repairs / training purposes, etc.:
      About a hundred Su-34s, a highly specialized bomber. The possibilities of application are severely limited due to the lack of long-range missiles. Used as an attack aircraft;
      Approximately one hundred Su-30SM;
      Approximately one hundred Su-35S;
      About fifty MiG-29SMT, Su-30M2 and Su-27SM3.

      That's actually all. For tactical aviation. The remaining machines are 35-40 years old and have long been outdated. Outdated even for a company with Ukraine, not to mention NATO aviation based on dozens of AWACS aircraft.
      1. 0
        5 July 2022 20: 06
        And where are the Su25 and 24?
        1. +1
          6 July 2022 00: 26
          Their value is almost zero due to high vulnerability to MANPADS and short range.
          There is no armament at all.
          So only work on the territory of Donbass if that.
  35. +6
    5 July 2022 19: 59
    I was at the a.b. about 10 years ago. Davis-Monthan in Arizona, where about 3,900 military aircraft were in long-term storage. Each of them can be put back into operation if necessary. And there was not only junk. There were, for example, medium-sized Spartan transports with virtually no flying time.
    Absolutely all aircraft are sealed with sealed films and are located in an area with almost zero air humidity.
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    1. +1
      6 July 2022 07: 12
      The US Pacific Fleet lost only battleships built during the First World War during the attack on Pearl Harbor. Three more destroyers and a mine layer were added to them ... Everything else remained in service ... Especially aircraft carriers .... It was they who decided the outcome of all the battles in the Pacific ocean.
    2. 0
      6 July 2022 15: 07
      Quote: Feodociy Doroga
      It is the lend-lease of the United States of America and Great Britain

      Theodosius, since you know so well about Lend-Lease, could you provide data on the volume of deliveries under Lend-Lease for the USSR by years, for the period 1941-1945 of the twentieth century? It is possible for the main groups of goods and raw materials ...

      Quote: Feodociy Doroga
      And if it were not for the factories built by the United States and Europe in the thirties in the USSR

      And what firms from Europe and the USA built or supervised the construction? How many workers from Europe and the USA took part in the construction?

      Quote: Feodociy Doroga
      since only in the first months of the war more than 3 million Soviet soldiers surrendered to the Germans.

      Do you understand the meaning of Russian words well? Just your name gives reason to doubt it. The meaning of the phrase "to surrender" is very different from the meaning of the phrase "to be captured." "Surrender" is voluntary, purposeful. "To get" is forced, by accident.
      If you know cases of mass, voluntary surrender of Soviet soldiers, give an example. To better understand: getting into an environment, for some period of fighting in an environment and then surrendering is forced hit in captivity.

      Quote: Feodociy Doroga
      And no heroism and courage of our people helped in the global war,

      Who do you think is more courageous: the defenders of Sevastopol in 1941-42 or the defenders of Dunkirk in 1940? And the second question: how many days do you think the Nazis would have ended up in Moscow if in 1941 the defenders of Dunkirk had stood against them from Brest to Moscow?

      Quote: Feodociy Doroga
      And even with these shortcomings, the United States is still superior in its military potential and technology to Russia and China combined.

      Bold statement! Especially in terms of technology...
      Here's a riddle for you: name a sample from the US arsenal comparable in terms of performance characteristics to the P-700 "Granit"?
      Additionally, at the expense of potential: do you know the size of the Chinese army? And the mob potential of China? Number of nuclear warheads Russia + China?
  37. +2
    5 July 2022 23: 49
    Haven't been here for a long time...
  38. +3
    6 July 2022 01: 59
    the water is wet, the sky is blue, the years go by and, suddenly, the fleet is getting old. Not only everyone can replace it at once with a new one.
    I wonder who on planet Earth is doing differently?
  39. -3
    6 July 2022 05: 25
    I would start by saying that nothing leaked anywhere - GAO (General Accountability Office) is a government structure that analyzes and audits the functioning of the executive branch (including the Ministry of Defense and its constituent parts, like the Navy, Air Force, etc. ). This structure is subordinate to the Congress, that is, the legislature and all its reports are public and available on the website. These reports are then used by Congress when discussing the budget (which this Congress approves). Typically, these reports are detailed enough for a Kentucky congressman (or his aide) to read and understand what is being said, who is responsible for what, and to whom to address questions in the inevitable bargaining for a piece of the budget pie.

    So, the report refers to the "combat capability coefficient" as the percentage of time in which each specific aircraft is ready to perform a combat mission, and for the F-22 this percentage is really 50%, while the target is 75%. But at the same time, this does not mean that only 83 aircraft out of 196 are ready to fly at any time - this means that, for example, 12 hours out of 24 each aircraft is in service (or 3 days out of 7 or 6 months out of 12, as it is more convenient for anyone to think) , while it should be 8 hours according to the regulations. At the same time, thoughtful people will look at the maintenance and repair schedule and see that 65% of problems are fixed in a day. Even more interesting are the statistics of long-term repairs of aircraft in 2020 - 7 did not fly for 30 days, 3 did not fly for 60 days and 6 did not fly for 90 days, that is, only 16 were under long-term repairs, but still returned to service (that is, all the other 170 aircraft malfunctions were never put on a joke, if they were eliminated much faster). And of course, 18722 combat and training sorties in 2020 (51 sorties per day, every day without days off) is impressive, isn't it?

    In general, learn the language of a potential enemy and do not engage in hatred based on twice distorted data ...

    For the curious, the report is here: https://www.gao.gov/assets/730/721285.pdf
    1. 0
      6 July 2022 07: 08
      In general, such reports are aimed primarily at allocating more funds for the aircraft. And how much everything is exaggerated there, or vice versa, they sort it out after the allocation of money.
    2. 0
      31 August 2022 10: 51
      How fairy-tale characters downvoted you)
  40. 0
    6 July 2022 07: 06
    They will catch seagulls, pigeons, crows and go into battle ... And they will put the land ones on wooden horses ...
  41. +2
    6 July 2022 07: 40
    It's time to start singing about how bad things are for them, because We don't have milky rivers either, right?
  42. +1
    6 July 2022 14: 35
    Oh how cool. The United States is about to fall apart again and transfer to Sherman and Aircobra. It's fine. But the question is: Will there ever be articles about Russia? Or have we already achieved air supremacy in our noble liberation NWO and there is nothing to discuss?
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  44. 0
    7 July 2022 14: 43
    They suggested that ours, following the example of Ukraine, should incite the same North Koreans against Japan / the States and, "if a fight is inevitable", then China and the Russian Federation will help the People's Democratic Republic in any way they can to hoist the banner of communism over the citadel of democracy. Along the way, we’ll check, what if the ILC is lying with checking their F-16s, deliberately provoking those who wish
  45. 0
    9 July 2022 13: 12
    "Less foam" - quotes from a wonderful Soviet film.
  46. 0
    9 July 2022 21: 12
    Interestingly, do the State commissions post such reports for free access because they are fools, or in the expectation that fools will believe it? The information is usually kept secret. Or am I not understanding something? No, well, how long can you shoot down Ukrainian planes "virtually destroyed" back in March? Yes, in Ukraine, in general, "everything was drunk and sold" even before the Crimean events. Did they invent the Su-25 incubator? And the pilots are cloned, I guess. Do we have enough throwing caps for US aviation?
  47. -1
    11 August 2022 11: 20
    Watch out for yourself. Ukroaviation has not yet been calmed down along with air defense.
  48. +1
    29 August 2022 11: 58
    We need to rely not on the lack of combat readiness of the enemy, but on the presence of our own combat readiness. Because, firstly, the "deplorable state" of US aviation may turn out to be disinformation. And secondly, because even in an abbreviated form, the US air fleet is a rather formidable force.
  49. 0
    31 August 2022 10: 49
    1. Do you really believe in all these leaks?))
    2. If this is true, show me the country where this is not.
    R.S. to evaluate the enemy by such stuffing is the path to military defeat.
  50. 0
    2 September 2022 22: 05
    In war, all means are good, and even more so disinformation
  51. 0
    23 September 2022 00: 44
    Always, when I see such articles, I want to tell the author - for comparison and honesty, write the same article only about Russian videoconferencing. About the readiness and serviceability of our aviation, just as detailed. And then, in terms of the number of combat-ready and serviceable ones, compare them with those in the United States. Very interesting isn't it? A curtain.
  52. 0
    30 September 2022 19: 41
    They may be telling the truth, no matter how bitter it may be for them.
    And we have? It’s more interesting for me to read about our state of the defense industry. About our Rostec. What did they do? Where are the helicopters? Where are the planes? Where is the “warrior” uniform?