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An attempt by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to strike at Kursk ended in the loss of two Tu-141 Strizh drones

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Ukrainian military formations delivered a number of strikes on the territory of Russia and the liberated regions of Ukraine tonight. Melitopol, Belgorod and Kursk fell under the blows of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


The city of Melitopol in the Zaporozhye region was fired upon by a long-range MLRS twice a night, about 20 rockets were fired at the city. The microdistrict Aviagorodok was hit. Ukrainian nationalists also hit Belgorod with MLRS, there are numerous destructions, the death toll has increased to five people.

But the Armed Forces of Ukraine decided to attack Kursk with the help of drones, and two at once. However, Ukrainian UAVs did not reach the city, Russian air defense worked perfectly. As it turned out, two Tu-141 Strizh UAVs were shot down near the city. Special services are working at the crash site of the drones, there are no casualties or destruction. This was announced by the head of the region Roman Starovoit.

Thanks to the competent actions of the Russian military, there were no casualties

- the governor wrote in his TG channel.

It should be noted that this is the second attempt by Ukraine to strike Kursk with the help of Soviet Tu-141 Strizh drones in recent days. The previous one took place on June 28 and also ended with a downed drone. Although some experts are of the opinion that with the help of Soviet UAVs, Ukrainians are trying to open Russian air defense in the border areas in order to plan further actions.

The Tu-141 "Swift" is a Soviet operational-tactical reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), intended for reconnaissance to a depth of several hundred kilometers at any time of the day and in any weather. Produced at the Kharkov Aviation Plant until 1989.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 3 July 2022 09: 55
    +9
    It is rather problematic to strike with the help of reconnaissance drones. Most likely, they are studying the real possibilities of air defense.
    1. gansales
      gansales 3 July 2022 10: 04
      -13
      Quote: iouris
      It is rather problematic to strike with the help of reconnaissance drones. Most likely, they are studying the real possibilities of air defense.

      And why study them especially .. Here the task is most likely to anger Russia, for a massive strike, which the State Department requires from Kyiv .. But alas, attempts are futile.
      1. iouris
        iouris 3 July 2022 10: 17
        -2
        What massive blow? And what's that?
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 3 July 2022 10: 28
          +10
          Quote: iouris
          What massive blow? And what's that?


          This is visible when he specifically arrives at his apartment, because he does not notice everything else and for this reason considers it insignificant. True, those for whom it flies will not agree with him, but he does not notice this.
          1. gjkrjdybr50
            gjkrjdybr50 3 July 2022 14: 45
            +4
            Ganzales wrote correctly, you just didn’t understand the meaning, but immediately into the sixth position. The US really demand that the ukrov anger the Russian Federation and receive in response a massive blow from us to the civilian structure. There will be a reason to blame the UN and demand a mandate to intervene. Our MO is cautious, but there will be some answer. And there is no need to rush MO, not everyone there is as you think. Everything will be on time, in the right place and for the right purposes.
            1. Sergey Kuzmin
              Sergey Kuzmin 3 July 2022 16: 09
              +1
              The US really demand that the ukrov anger the Russian Federation and receive in response a massive blow from us to the civilian structure.
              And this is what the delay in the destruction of railway and road links with NATO countries led to ... they waited for the arrival of long-range artillery systems ...
              Our MO is cautious, but there will be some kind of answer. And there is no need to rush MO, not everyone there is as you think.
              On the railway and auto bridges through which the Ukronazis are supplied with weapons from NATO, what kind of "civilian infrastructure"?
              1. gjkrjdybr50
                gjkrjdybr50 3 July 2022 20: 40
                0
                In general, mostly civilians move along auto and railway roads, bridges and interchanges. Yielding to the provocations of ukrov, you can fly into such a problem that it will be difficult (or impossible) to solve it. Yes, and I gave explanations to the commentary of Ganzales, and there was no talk of any destruction (early or late). You carefully read the discussions and, most importantly, try to understand, and do not immediately yell "FSE is gone !!!".
                In Vietnam, the US tried for almost a year to destroy the bridge that carried weapons to the south. Aviation was placed immeasurably, then it was nevertheless broken. A month later, the bridge started working again and our S-75 regiment began to guard it.
                By the way, if you know how to do what you wrote here, contact the RF Ministry of Defense, let them call you and tell and show everything to these "mediocrity". Then write to VO about your exploits.
        2. Flooding
          Flooding 3 July 2022 10: 35
          +1
          Quote: iouris
          Striking with reconnaissance drones is quite problematic

          Yes, but in addition to performing reconnaissance tasks, you can use a 5-ton jet fool as a kinetic blank with fuel on board.
          1. mitrich
            mitrich 3 July 2022 11: 18
            +5
            Here Vitalka has no time to think, to scribble quickly, as soon as the article came out, in order to be the first to be in time. And then a bummer, only the second.
            It seems that these henegals-patients non-stop sit on the site, so as not to miss a new publication and rather emboss an Uryak post.
            1. Gvardeetz77
              Gvardeetz77 3 July 2022 15: 35
              +3
              Quote: mitrich
              Here Vitalka has no time to think, to scribble quickly, as soon as the article came out, in order to be the first to be in time. And then a bummer, only the second.
              It seems that these henegals-patients non-stop sit on the site, so as not to miss a new publication and rather emboss an Uryak post.

              How else? The first one "screamed" - a hundred pluses in karma, the second - fifty, the third and ten will be glad, so they are sitting waiting for a fresh one ...
          2. iouris
            iouris 3 July 2022 11: 19
            -4
            Can. But the likelihood that it will cause great damage is minimal. Patamushta, she is not "high-precision". Now, if you build a nuclear charge into it ...
            But it is quite easily knocked down, and they have few nuclear charges. One or two.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 3 July 2022 11: 45
              +2
              Quote: iouris
              But the likelihood that it will cause great damage is minimal. Patamushta, she is not "high-precision".

              Well, so the Sumerians are not particularly striving for accuracy. They hit the squares. They just have to get within the limits of the settlement. The main task is to cause panic and discontent among the population.
              PySy. Where is the infa about Sumerian nuclear charges?
              1. iouris
                iouris 3 July 2022 11: 49
                -1
                It's not "infa". These are guesses.
                What do you think, what were the visits to Gostomel and Chernobyl for?
                Zelya is a Euro-Banderist. And the Israelis say: "We do not have a bomb, but if necessary, we will use it."
                In addition, I proceed from the fact that all treaties, including the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, are no longer valid. Especially for Britain.
                Treaties are kept by weaklings. And the strong do everything to win.
          3. Piramidon
            Piramidon 3 July 2022 11: 49
            +2
            Quote: Flood
            in addition to performing reconnaissance tasks, use a 5-ton jet fool as a kinetic blank with fuel on board.

            There, if photographic equipment is replaced with explosives, it will not be enough. As far as I remember, "Swifts" could not broadcast intelligence, only "personally" deliver it. And dill can’t really count on the return of these ancient devices. So, most likely, they will use them as "kamikaze"
            1. svp67
              svp67 3 July 2022 12: 21
              +1
              Quote: Piramidon
              There, if photographic equipment is replaced with explosives, it will not be enough.

              They already did it....
              Quote: Piramidon
              As far as I remember, "Swifts"

              Ours have already figured out that this is not the Tu-141 Swift, but the smaller Tu-143 Reis
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 3 July 2022 15: 48
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                Ours have already figured out that this is not the Tu-141 Swift, but the smaller Tu-143 Reis

                Radish horseradish is not sweeter. Both of them as kamikaze UAVs will fit them perfectly. Dill has nothing to lose, they will put everything into action, right down to museum guns. And they got more of this goodness from the USSR than shit.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 3 July 2022 15: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  Horseradish radish is not sweeter.

                  Agree to 100%
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  And they got more of this goodness from the USSR than shit.

                  Moreover, they were produced in Kharkov
            2. iouris
              iouris 3 July 2022 12: 49
              +1
              Quote: Piramidon
              will use them as "kamikaze"

              Of course, the Tu-141 is a kamikaze, because in any case it will be shot down and will not bring intelligence data. This unit is not of particular value, but it is quite logical to use it to distract and load air defense at the moment of striking with Tochka-U or other long-range projectiles. They are already trying to launch Tochki-U at once, three to six at a time, because only in this mode only one or two shells have sufficiently high chances to break through to the target. Therefore, they work "complex", synchronize the work of different systems. There are no fools there.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 3 July 2022 14: 00
                0
                Quote: iouris
                This unit is not of particular value, but it is quite logical to use it to distract and load air defense at the moment of striking with Tochka-U or other long-range projectiles.

                The Sumerians now will use everything they find, from tanks and artillery of the WWII period to bronze cannons. And from the USSR they got more than all other republics of the USSR.
      2. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 3 July 2022 10: 28
        +5
        You are in the next branch for a hit, not here .. how important are local shoulder straps? bro, Vitaliy .. this needs to be treated ... especially with an American paratrooper on the ave ...
      3. Evil 55
        Evil 55 3 July 2022 11: 34
        +3
        And if they stuff some radioactive shit from Chernobyl into these UAVs?
      4. amr
        amr 3 July 2022 14: 30
        +3
        I'm already sick of you, I would change my account or something, there is too patriotic plug in each barrel !!!
    2. Voronezh
      Voronezh 3 July 2022 10: 31
      +6
      They taped the bomb with tape, here's a shock for you
    3. svp67
      svp67 3 July 2022 10: 36
      +6
      Quote: iouris
      It is rather problematic to strike with the help of reconnaissance drones.

      Well, he also had a shock modification ....
      in March 2022, another Ukrainian “modernization” project became known. It provided for the installation of a non-standard warhead of a large mass on the UAV. After that, the Tu-141 turns into a low-precision cruise missile, but with a fairly long flight range.
      Quote: iouris
      Most likely, they are studying the real possibilities of air defense.

      I agree, but as soon as they receive long-range missiles for American MLRS, they will hit them seriously
      1. UAZ 452
        UAZ 452 3 July 2022 12: 47
        +1
        If our air defense crews have not yet developed a reflex for an immediate change of position after combat work and turning on the radar, then next time they will definitely cover from the MLRS. As the successful night shelling of Belgorod showed, our air defense does not resist this type of weapon very reliably.
        1. svp67
          svp67 3 July 2022 12: 50
          0
          Quote: UAZ 452
          next time they will definitely cover from the MLRS. As the successful night shelling of Belgorod showed, our air defense does not resist this type of weapon very reliably.

          There, the main defeat was inflicted by OTRK "Tochka-U"
        2. Repellent
          Repellent 3 July 2022 13: 22
          -3
          Quote: UAZ 452
          As shown by the successful night shelling of Belgorod...

          ... any air defense can be "crushed by mass". This was already known yes

          This shelling did not show anything else, if you think about it.
    4. Botanologist
      Botanologist 3 July 2022 10: 50
      +4
      Actually, Swift has the opportunity to put warheads instead of AKFU. So it’s quite a cruise missile. And the range is up to 450 kilometers in reconnaissance mode, and 850 one way. They can also say hello outside the Moscow Ring Road.
      1. Repellent
        Repellent 3 July 2022 13: 23
        -2
        Quote: Botanologist
        range up to 450 kilometers in reconnaissance mode, and one way 850. They can also send greetings outside the Moscow Ring Road

        This is unlikely, Moscow is well covered.
    5. Piramidon
      Piramidon 3 July 2022 11: 40
      0
      Quote: iouris
      It is rather problematic to strike with the help of reconnaissance drones. Most likely, they are studying the real possibilities of air defense.

      Is it impossible to convert them into kamikaze drones? Replace intelligence equipment with something explosive.
  2. dedusik
    dedusik 3 July 2022 09: 57
    +17
    Note that this is the second attempt by Ukraine to hit Kursk with the help of drones.

    The third, earlier two drones were shot down over Rylsk, towards Kursk
    PS One thing is not clear to me, how do they fly past the nuclear power plant like at home? belay
  3. Seryoga64
    Seryoga64 3 July 2022 09: 57
    -3

    Tu-141 "Swift" - Soviet operational-tactical reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), intended for reconnaissance

    Well, what does the attempt to strike at Kursk have to do with it? request
    1. gansales
      gansales 3 July 2022 10: 14
      -3
      Quote: Seryoga64

      Tu-141 "Swift" - Soviet operational-tactical reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), intended for reconnaissance

      Well, what does the attempt to strike at Kursk have to do with it? request

      Well, why .. The Nazis hang all sorts of garbage on them, even sprayers of something .. There was infa with a photo. So these things are very dangerous
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 3 July 2022 10: 41
        0
        Quote from gansales
        Well, why .. The Nazis hang all sorts of garbage on them, even sprayers of something ..

        So, when are we going to wave a test tube with this at the UN? Then there's the AIDS virus...
      2. Botanologist
        Botanologist 3 July 2022 10: 56
        +4
        Quote from gansales
        The Nazis hang all sorts of garbage on them

        You don’t need to hang anything on the Swift, the warhead is installed quite regularly. Do not forget that he flew to the USSR with such a rather big AKFU camera inside.
      3. Seryoga64
        Seryoga64 3 July 2022 11: 29
        -5
        Quote from gansales
        The Nazis hang all sorts of garbage on them, even sprayers of something.

        Well then, it’s easier to send a strike UAV
      4. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 3 July 2022 11: 37
        +1
        we are the best and who does not agree, in the furnace
  4. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 3 July 2022 09: 58
    +21
    They (the Kyiv regime) have completely gone crazy, Arestovich said yesterday that as soon as they have the technical possibility, a blow will be struck on the Crimean bridge. It is time for our top military-political leadership to understand that all red lines have already been crossed and it is time to move from empty threats to concrete actions of a military-technical nature.
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 3 July 2022 10: 37
      +4
      I look at all this and it becomes more and more clear that we have two Russias. One is inside the Boulevard Ring, and the other is all zamkadye (whose tea and opinion you don’t give a damn about).
    2. freddyk
      freddyk 3 July 2022 11: 00
      +6
      Quote: Fyodor Sokolov
      It is time for our top military-political leadership to understand that all red lines have already been crossed and it is time to move from empty threats to concrete actions of a military-technical nature.

      That's right, the people above write, the Americans first prepare the information field. Test tubes are waved there or white helmets are filming rollers. In short, a universal howl, and then a blow of retaliation and everyone applauds. We don't have much with it. Again we will be a fiend of hell.
      1. Paladin
        Paladin 3 July 2022 13: 14
        0
        ... the Americans first prepare the information field.
        We don't have much with it.

        For eight years they shook with everything they could and everywhere. The UN does all this for .. and he doesn’t care for it ... And our channels are banned, so what? Until February 24, they were fiends, and after that they remained the same. You just need to be on your own and on .. and on .., and do the job. The sooner we finish with the ducks, the sooner the background will change. We need to stop messing around with them. "Decision-making centers" are located not in the places of meetings of generals on the front line, but on Bankova and Povitroflotska in Kyiv. Quite legitimate targets for calibers, Iskanders and X-32s.
    3. mitrich
      mitrich 3 July 2022 11: 33
      +4
      Yes, there is only one task, to push the Bandera movement further and further, so that they could not strike at our and liberated territory.
      And this means, to the borders of Nata and Moldova. Otherwise it will never end.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 July 2022 09: 58
    +8
    two UAVs Tu-141 "Strizh" were shot down near the city
    There are no casualties or destruction, which is good. Now let's imagine that if they had something more serious like our "Caliber". Would they really think for a second to hit Russian cities or take pity on the civilian population? Of course not. This is me - information for reflection on humanity, nobility and "we are not like that." We really are not like that, but this does not give us the right to unjustifiably lose our civilian population.
    1. Chronos
      Chronos 3 July 2022 10: 14
      +8
      Quote: rotmistr60
      two UAVs Tu-141 "Strizh" were shot down near the city
      There are no casualties or destruction, which is good. Now let's imagine that if they had something more serious like our "Caliber". Would they really think for a second to hit Russian cities or take pity on the civilian population? Of course not. This is me - information for reflection on humanity, nobility and "we are not like that." We really are not like that, but this does not give us the right to unjustifiably lose our civilian population.

      That's true, if the dill had the opportunity to hit the Kremlin, would they wait? They would have razed all the old cathedrals to the ground.
    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 3 July 2022 10: 56
      +6
      And why only about Kursk? Like they won two "Swifts" there? About Belgorod already, isn't it interesting? Even in the article, in fact, the main event, the shelling of Belgorod, was given only 5 lines. But how much has been written about the failure of the dill near Kursk, about the downed "Swifts"! Read how Mail.ru describes the shelling of the city of Belgorod by Ukrainian MLRS, where there is destruction and deaths. They write in typical "modern language" in order to disguise what happened and not to upset the population: they called the shelling - "state of emergency", missile hits and their explosions - "a series of loud sounds", well, it's okay - just "state of emergency" with "loud sounds" , as a result of which "11! (11! Karl!) apartment buildings were "partially destroyed, and at least 39 private houses" were "damaged" ... Well, "state of emergency" is ...
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 3 July 2022 11: 31
        -1
        About Belgorod already, isn't it interesting?
        At this time, there are 278 comments about Belgorod.
      2. AdAstra
        AdAstra 3 July 2022 11: 48
        +1
        And five!!! destroyed! Well, very strong cotton.
        1. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 3 July 2022 12: 51
          +2
          Such are the "series of loud sounds" ... Just the same trumpets of Jericho!
  6. Thrifty
    Thrifty 3 July 2022 10: 04
    -2
    And where is our response? "Everything is going according to plan"? Why not carry out a partial mobilization, speed up the operation primarily in the border regions?
    1. Pulkovo1942
      Pulkovo1942 3 July 2022 10: 09
      0
      How much more do we have to endure these shelling of our lands?

      Judging by the media coverage of today's act of terrorism in the news - for a long time to come.
    2. Chronos
      Chronos 3 July 2022 10: 15
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      And where is our response? "Everything is going according to plan"? Why not carry out a partial mobilization, speed up the operation primarily in the border regions?

      Let's look at the dill: mobilization is our version of the poorly trained cannon fodder cannon fodder. Alas.
      1. mitroha
        mitroha 3 July 2022 10: 39
        0
        Quote: Chronos
        mobilization is our version of a poorly trained cannon fodder cannon fodder. Alas.

        Mobilization is not necessarily a call for graduates of school and people in peacetime unfit for military service. It is possible to mobilize those dismissed to the reserve and put the personnel reserve into operation. Etc. The fifth month is NVO, during this time, slowly, it would be possible to prepare an n-th number of combat-ready units and formations hi
      2. Thrifty
        Thrifty 3 July 2022 10: 41
        -1
        Chronos !!! I wrote "partial mobilization" !!! How many of the closed-disbanded HF personnel, especially contract soldiers, turned out to be civilians? In general, they should be returned to service in the first place! They are now primarily needed in the army, and in this war!
        1. Chronos
          Chronos 3 July 2022 12: 44
          +3
          Quote: Thrifty
          Chronos !!! I wrote "partial mobilization" !!! How many of the closed-disbanded HF personnel, especially contract soldiers, turned out to be civilians? In general, they should be returned to service in the first place! They are now primarily needed in the army, and in this war!

          So they recruit for a fixed-term contract, even the upper age bar was removed. In the republics, full mobilization and recruitment of volunteers. For tasks in the rear, the Russian Guard is involved, which, according to the law, strictly speaking, should not exist in Ukraine. And now the lower bar for concluding a contract is being lowered, obviously in order to get around the ban on attracting conscripts to the SVO. So mobilization in the form in which it is possible is underway. Experts say there should be a result by autumn. There is even labor mobilization. The drone factory works in three shifts, other rocket factories are riveted non-stop. They adopted a law simplifying the conclusion of state contracts in the Moscow Region. Everything that can be done is done here.
      3. AdAstra
        AdAstra 3 July 2022 11: 51
        -2
        Well, if semi-trained. When was the last time you held a machine gun? Personally, I was 8 years ago, and I shot even later.
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 3 July 2022 19: 47
          0
          Quote from AdAstra
          Well, if semi-trained. When was the last time you held a machine gun? Personally, I was 8 years ago, and I shot even later.
          You can enter into a contract at 18, without doing military service ... but you will need to pass KMB - Кurs Мyoung Бoytsa 4 month.
    3. 1976AG
      1976AG 3 July 2022 10: 33
      +4
      In order to turn these partially mobilized into pros, it will take more than one month, and I don’t want to send them as cannon fodder.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 3 July 2022 10: 52
        -1
        Quote: 1976AG
        In order to turn these partially mobilized into pros, it will take more than one month, and I don’t want to send them as cannon fodder.

        So CBO has been going on for more than a month.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 3 July 2022 11: 13
          +2
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: 1976AG
          In order to turn these partially mobilized into pros, it will take more than one month, and I don’t want to send them as cannon fodder.

          So CBO has been going on for more than a month.


          So, on a limited scale, we are also preparing replenishment.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 3 July 2022 11: 18
            +2
            Quote: 1976AG
            So, on a limited scale, we are also preparing replenishment.

            Are these scales enough?
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 3 July 2022 11: 21
              +1
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: 1976AG
              So, on a limited scale, we are also preparing replenishment.

              Are these scales enough?


              It depends on what plans our command has.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 3 July 2022 11: 53
                +2
                Quote: 1976AG
                It depends on what plans our command has.

                And I have the impression that everything is left to chance. Clearly, such resistance was not expected. They are fighting, and where the crooked mare will take them out.
                1. 1976AG
                  1976AG 3 July 2022 11: 59
                  +3
                  Well, obviously not on its own. Forces are concentrated in the Donbass. There is a gradual liberation of territories. This is a normal scenario for operations with a limited contingent. No hesitation is observed.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 3 July 2022 12: 20
                    0
                    Quote: 1976AG
                    No hesitation is observed.

                    What about Gostomel? And the landing of the garrison on this damn Serpentine? Initially, they almost reached Kyiv. But it turned out that there were uncles in Kyiv, and elderberries in the garden. And the extradition of the Nazis from Azov? And how we laughed here when Zelya said that the surrender of the Azov people was such a plan. It turns out that with his plan he fucked us all here? The Nazis were at home.
                    Though oblique, even crooked, even disabled. However, they have always been handicapped in the head. So another injury will not affect it in any way.
                    1. 1976AG
                      1976AG 3 July 2022 13: 27
                      +2
                      Sorry, when was this? Enough has already been said about that period, how much can you? What about the Nazis? All the Nazis were right at home? Enough to panic already. A few cripples who were exchanged for you all of Azov?
  7. Pavel57
    Pavel57 3 July 2022 10: 04
    +4
    Quote: iouris
    It is rather problematic to strike with the help of reconnaissance drones. Most likely, they are studying the real possibilities of air defense.

    A strike against area targets is possible, the Ukrainians equipped the Tu-141 warhead. If there was a task of opening air defense, then you need to look where the American intelligence facilities were.
    1. iouris
      iouris 3 July 2022 11: 29
      +1
      They operate 24/7 with overlap. The Pentagon takes war very seriously. To destroy targets at distant approaches, flying radars of the A-50 type are needed (if they are not morally obsolete yet). It will be difficult to repel a massive raid from a protected object. Another solution is to move the "front line" to the left. It is possible that the enemy is trying to "suggest" precisely this solution, since it is beneficial to him.
  8. vovochkarzhevsky
    vovochkarzhevsky 3 July 2022 10: 05
    +13
    Shot down on approach to Kursk, did the air defense work perfectly? That is, after the enemy’s UAVs, and far from inconspicuous ones, went deep 90 km deep into Russian territory?
    Boys, something must have changed in the art of war. I was generally taught that good air defense work is when an intruder is shot down immediately after crossing the border, and in the event of hostilities even before.
    1. iouris
      iouris 3 July 2022 11: 34
      0
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      I was generally taught

      "We all learned little by little something and somehow..."
      Pushkin!
  9. BAI
    BAI 3 July 2022 10: 11
    +8
    For that, it worked out in Belgorod. How tired of the blah blah blah of our elite. Where are the blows to the decision-making centers? Should we wait for a blow to the Kremlin? Escalation is happening because empty threats are not carried out
    1. Andrey Gladkikh
      Andrey Gladkikh 3 July 2022 10: 51
      0
      Correctly. It's better not to threaten at all. And if you promised, keep it. In order not to be talkers-promiselkins.
  10. cooper
    cooper 3 July 2022 10: 12
    0
    Four (according to some reports - five) people were killed in Belgorod. There are also wounded. Destruction. Where, with pomp, the promised retaliation strikes against all so-called. decision centers in Kyiv (for starters), where is the decisive suppression of the delivery of Western weapons?? How long, Mr. President and the Supreme Command???
  11. Cowbra
    Cowbra 3 July 2022 10: 14
    -2
    In short, hysteria over the repulsed LPR
  12. Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 July 2022 10: 14
    0
    And when will there be an answer to the decision-making centers, no matter where they are in Kyiv or Washington or London? Or do you feel sorry for the Russians?
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 3 July 2022 11: 55
      0
      I feel very sorry for the Russians who live in Belgorod.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 3 July 2022 15: 50
        0
        You interest me least of all, I am interested in the position of our Defense Ministry.
        1. AdAstra
          AdAstra 3 July 2022 16: 08
          -2
          And the position is not yet very comfortable and it turns out beautiful, semi-respectable.
  13. Real Pilot
    Real Pilot 3 July 2022 10: 15
    +2
    Quote: Seryoga64

    Tu-141 "Swift" - Soviet operational-tactical reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), intended for reconnaissance

    Well, what does the attempt to strike at Kursk have to do with it? request

    The Soviet drones Tu-141 Strizh and Tu-143 Reis remained in service with the former Ukrainian SSR, with slightly different dimensions. And some time ago, just on the Strizh, they began to change the payload from reconnaissance to combat. They figured out the combat part themselves, and quite recently.

    The efficiency, of course, is small, but this device, within certain limits, can be capable of using a cruise missile. It flies fast, far and steadily, but "in a straight line". Aerial acrobatics is not his element.

    Remembering those devices with which the Hussites did business at the Saudi-Aramco refinery, which the American vaunted Patriot so famously missed, these ukromodifications can still unpleasantly "surprise" ...

    Therefore, the fact that our air defense successfully intercepts them is a good sign! Of these, by the way, they made target missiles for our air defense systems.
  14. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 3 July 2022 10: 30
    0
    What an intolerant author, I must write: the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried to slap Kursk
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  15. lambert
    lambert 3 July 2022 10: 31
    +3
    Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
    Shot down on approach to Kursk, did the air defense work perfectly? That is, after the enemy’s UAVs, and far from inconspicuous ones, went deep 90 km deep into Russian territory?
    Boys, something must have changed in the art of war. I was generally taught that good air defense work is when an intruder is shot down immediately after crossing the border, and in the event of hostilities even before.


    Can't you count? The speed of TU-141 is 1000 km/h. 90 km - roughly 6 minutes. From the moment of violation of Mr.. decision-making, target designation transmission - in my opinion very good. Or immediately shoot through the city? It's called differently.
    1. vovochkarzhevsky
      vovochkarzhevsky 3 July 2022 11: 02
      +1
      Quote: lambert
      Can't you count? The speed of TU-141 is 1000 km/h. 90 km - roughly 6 minutes. From the moment of violation of Mr.. decision-making, target designation transmission - in my opinion very good. Or immediately shoot through the city? It's called differently.

      Is there news for you that air defense is obliged to monitor potential threats in neighboring territories? And in the event of hostilities, destroy them there.
    2. Maxim G
      Maxim G 5 July 2022 11: 01
      0
      So military operations are going on with the Kyiv regime (NVO), it is clear that an airplane, helicopter, UAV, missile, etc. can fly in from their side. this means that space should be monitored 24 hours a day and there should be radars and visual observation posts for low-flying ones.
  16. GNM
    GNM 3 July 2022 10: 33
    +3
    Tu-141 "Strizh" looks like this:


  17. know
    know 3 July 2022 10: 33
    +3
    Very disturbing reports about Belgorod. I'm afraid it will only get worse. Zelensky and Co. will not be allowed to reach an agreement with Russia, but they will be given weapons that allow them to strike at the territory of neighboring Russian regions. But we remember that Arestovich, it seems, boasted that the Russians would sit in basements at night. Given the impunity of such attacks, which until recently seemed unthinkable, the arrogance of the Kyiv elite will only increase. And it seems that Putin and Shoigu simply do not know what to do. Beat on the residential areas of Kyiv - will be declared war criminals. Pushing the border - with a creak and very slowly turns out. To announce mobilization is to sign for the failure of the SVO and get a collapse in ratings, because, let's be honest, support is going on while ordinary citizens, this, as it were, does not concern everything. The very first subpoenas, especially if they are massive ones, will lead to mass protests, since few people are ready to go into the trenches themselves and let their sons, husbands, fathers and brothers go to war. And also - daughters with military registration specialties, the same nurses.
    1. polynet
      polynet 3 July 2022 11: 08
      +6
      You need to start small, in Kyiv, Lvov - turn off their light, then water. As the Chinese say, hit on the head, the rest will fall apart on its own.
    2. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 3 July 2022 17: 25
      0
      From a political point of view, in such a situation, one can risk aviation - transferring an active struggle for the sky to enemy territory and knocking out the remnants of air defense and MLRS in the adjacent territories with aircraft and not missiles. The disadvantages of this approach are also clear. Then, for NATO, it is possible to save the unexhausted air defense.
      In general, a fierce big fight in the air over enemy land absolutely hostile to flyers - geopolitical conditions have developed for the emergence of a new "MIG alley" in history.
  18. ivan2022
    ivan2022 3 July 2022 10: 37
    -2
    Quote: BAI
    For that, it worked out in Belgorod. How tired of the blah blah blah of our elite. Where are the blows to the decision-making centers? Should we wait for a blow to the Kremlin? Escalation is happening because empty threats are not carried out

    It is even strange to read.... When Yeltsin ruined the country, the people supported him, even elected him President twice..... What happened??

    Everything is going, if not quite according to plan, but in the direction chosen by the people themselves - that's for sure .... Heh. Heh.. wait for an answer! And it will also come to the execution of all threats from all sides, do not worry. Everyone will get their due in due time. God is not given to deceive anyone, no matter how they swear in their lies and hypocrisy.
  19. value
    value 3 July 2022 10: 40
    -6
    Belgorod was shelled today. Relatively cheap Soviet MLRS missiles. Some of them were shot down. But the problem is that air defense missiles are much more expensive than MLRS missiles. Will it not happen that with these shelling Ukraine will completely bleed our air defense? The "noble gesture" to leave the north of Ukraine will cost the inhabitants of Belgorod hundreds of lives.
    1. lucul
      lucul 3 July 2022 10: 58
      +1
      Belgorod was shelled today. Relatively cheap Soviet MLRS missiles.

      How are you sure that these were not HIMARS?
      1. value
        value 3 July 2022 11: 47
        -2
        It makes no sense to waste HIMARS on shelling the city. HIMARS are expensive GPS-guided precision weapons. It is more expedient to use it for the precise destruction of valuable military facilities: weapons depots, accumulation of weapons, communications. The purpose of the shelling of the city was the usual terror of the city, where accuracy was not required, since any enemy hit was fine. Those. a load is created on air defense, which, in addition to protecting military facilities, must protect civilian ones and spend valuable air defense missiles on cheap MLRS. Then comes the political moment. So far, at the initial stage, the United States is not ready for the shelling of Russia to be associated with their missiles, which does not mean that in the future they will not shell Russia. Will. But in the beginning, we are morally prepared for shelling by Soviet MLRS, so that we psychologically accept and come to terms with missile attacks. Then they will start using HIMARS, but already for valuable facilities and infrastructure, when we deplete our stocks of air defense missiles for cheap MLRS.
        1. lucul
          lucul 3 July 2022 11: 55
          -2
          It makes no sense to waste HIMARS on shelling the city. HIMARS are expensive GPS-guided precision weapons. It is more expedient to use it for the precise destruction of valuable military facilities: weapons depots, accumulation of weapons, communications.

          Ukraine and logic are antonyms. Their main task is to leave the goyim a wasteland, in the form of Ukraine.
          1. value
            value 3 July 2022 12: 13
            -2
            Don't underestimate the enemy. Arrogance, arrogance and capricious moods cost Russian soldiers thousands of lives.
  20. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 3 July 2022 10: 40
    +2
    We look at the map. A strike on a nuclear power plant does nothing but condemnation. The Kursk nuclear power plant is covered by air defense in layers. Strizh has a range of 1000 km, from Kharkov to Moscow 680 km in a straight line. according to CBO, it will not seem to anyone.
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 3 July 2022 12: 15
      +1
      The Kursk NPP is covered by air defense in layers. Strizh has a range of 1000 km, from Kharkov to Moscow 680 km in a straight line.
      Well, Moscow is much more echeloned. But in view of this possibility alone, the Ministry of Defense could have announced the evacuation of Kyiv, and of Lvov at the same time. And give a period of 2-3 days maximum. And then see how quickly the raguli of the clown with the company of draping trample.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 3 July 2022 12: 39
        0
        The goal of the Swifts is Moscow and the Moscow region. My opinion, I agree, stop being silly. We need to demolish the Nazi junta in Kyiv.
  21. VB
    VB 3 July 2022 10: 43
    +2
    Where are the red lines? In the bunker if he arrives? Or to your daughters? Do they remember the oath text? It is written about the anger and contempt of the working people.
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 3 July 2022 11: 59
      -2
      So the daughters are in the wrong direction and they don’t shoot there.
  22. fiberboard
    fiberboard 3 July 2022 10: 52
    +1
    Hmm, there was information that a group of Ukrainian military pilots had already arrived in the United States to train piloting the F-16. I think they will have time for the battle for Kyiv. The further, the merrier. Either helicopters will arrive, then UAVs. That and look, Zelensky will decide to strike at the main center of decision-making in the Russian Federation. With such a development of events, you look and I will have to end my life from an enemy bullet. I will only pray to the Almighty that at that moment there would be the deputy of the educational work, the deputy head, the chief financial officer and the head of the PU who fired me. And then let us all be covered.
  23. Heaven
    Heaven 3 July 2022 10: 53
    +1
    Quote: Thrifty
    Chronos !!! I wrote "partial mobilization" !!! How many of the closed-disbanded HF personnel, especially contract soldiers, turned out to be civilians? In general, they should be returned to service in the first place! They are now primarily needed in the army, and in this war!



    Aren't they attracted now? What are the current obstacles to signing contracts with those with experience and forming new units from them?
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 3 July 2022 12: 01
      0
      Maybe, seeing how "perfectly" it is planned, they simply do not want to conclude.
  24. Antey
    Antey 3 July 2022 10: 54
    +5
    Quote: dmi.pris
    I look at all this and it becomes more and more clear that we have two Russias. One is inside the Boulevard Ring, and the other is all zamkadye (whose tea and opinion you don’t give a damn about).

    They have been writing about it in the cart for a long time. That the opinion of the West is more important for the Kremlin, and they are not interested in their own citizens! That is why the constant curtsy with "good will", unwillingness to fight in a serious way and the actual transfer of the information field to Ukraine. We learn about important events from Arestovich and Kuleba, and not from our own state. Because the state is stupid and gave the effect of propaganda to the enemy. If you don't need your own people, then you won't have them!
  25. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 3 July 2022 10: 56
    +2
    I won’t pretend to be a great strategist, but all such sorties without retaliatory measures that exclude repetition, sooner or later may end in the fate of the Moskva RK or some other crap with radioactive isotopes ... These scumbags will become ... For them there is nothing human.
  26. Crete 25
    Crete 25 3 July 2022 11: 30
    0
    Quote: vet
    Beat on the residential areas of Kyiv - will be declared war criminals

    It seems that they have already announced it to everyone who can.
    What a ridiculous excuse.
  27. Carlos Hall
    Carlos Hall 3 July 2022 12: 16
    0
    Each of these attack attempts must be answered with a massive attack on the capital Kyiv.
  28. ugol2
    ugol2 3 July 2022 12: 59
    +10
    Comrade generals, maybe one of you will tell the Supreme Commander that the war has begun, and it's time to uncover the guns.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 3 July 2022 13: 20
      +2
      If there is something to "uncover". It seems to me that Soyuzmultfilm cannot be uncovered. Even here on VO there were articles by smart people that the passion for "wunderwaffles" supposedly capable of solving all problems in a single quantity is a road to nowhere, on which they burned out back in Nazi Germany. They wrote, smart people, that it is necessary to prepare a network-centric battlefield and fit existing weapons into it and create new ones, just for it. Has anything been done? Literally before the very special operations and even after it began, articles dangled here that UAVs are children's toys, and their successes are exaggerated, and that classic aviation is "ours" and that our electronic warfare "will kill everyone." Well, what is the result? Where are these vaunted electronic warfare? Why doesn’t our aviation constantly hover over the battlefield and bombed ukrov into dust? Well, now it seems that the General Staff is counting how many t-62-t-55, bmp-1, bmp-2 and btr-82, mltb, are left in warehouses ... for the last spurt to victory ... There is not much left, after all . So let's win! Let's unite!
  29. opuonmed
    opuonmed 3 July 2022 13: 26
    0
    they fire at wherever they want, they are waging war and not waging their own!
  30. Sergey Kuzmin
    Sergey Kuzmin 3 July 2022 16: 05
    0
    And this is what the delay in the destruction of railway and road communications with the NAT countries led to ... they waited for the arrival of long-range artillery systems ...
  31. ivan2022
    ivan2022 3 July 2022 20: 04
    -1
    Quote: gjkrjdybr50
    Ganzales wrote correctly, you just didn’t understand the meaning, but immediately into the sixth position. The US really demand that the ukrov anger the Russian Federation and receive in response a massive blow from us to the civilian structure. There will be a reason to blame the UN and demand a mandate to intervene. Our MO is cautious, but there will be some answer. And there is no need to rush MO, not everyone there is as you think. Everything will be on time, in the right place and for the right purposes.

    If Russia is controlled from the UN and from the American media, then it is not clear what the Government of the Russian Federation controls?
  32. ivan2022
    ivan2022 3 July 2022 20: 11
    -1
    Quote: ugol2
    Comrade generals, maybe one of you will tell the Supreme Commander that the war has begun, and it's time to uncover the guns.

    The Supreme Commander has already publicly replied that although he is Supreme Commander, he has no military education. That is, the generals and the General Staff of the Russian Federation. They know better how to fight .. and from which end to load the gun ..
    Well, if someone is killed or injured, then it’s just unlucky! Let the soldier turn to the King of Heaven with a complaint .....
  33. acetophenone
    acetophenone 4 July 2022 14: 33
    -1
    Quote: Repellent
    Quote: Botanologist
    range up to 450 kilometers in reconnaissance mode, and one way 850. They can also send greetings outside the Moscow Ring Road

    This is unlikely, Moscow is well covered.

    And they'll check it out. The war has tested a lot. And not all of them passed this test.