We fought in Syria. There were not only advisers

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The situation in the Arab world after the October 1973 of the Arab-Israeli war was complex and controversial. The US and Israel, instead of a just peace in the Middle East, began to conduct separate deals, directly opposing them to a general settlement of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Such a policy reached its apogee by the Camp David Separate Agreement between Egypt and Israel, prepared by the USA in 1978.

After the signing of the “treaty” a new aggravation of the situation in the region occurred. The Middle East settlement was thrown back. Israel, on the other hand, significantly tightened its position and expanded the scale of its expansion.

In 1980, the Arab world was dealt a second blow - the war between Iran and Iraq began. The conflict has aggravated relations between Syria, Jordan and Iraq. Not without the influence of Israel on the territory of Syria, the bloody massacre of the "Muslim Brothers" was launched, drawing the regular army of Syria into bitter fights. The situation in Lebanon and the intra Syrian contradictions on the Lebanese question have become extremely aggravated.

The service of the Syrians in Lebanon was not easy and took place in a difficult, often conflicting situation, especially between the right-Christian forces (Lebanese forces) hostile to the Syrians and frequent clashes with Israelis, primarily in the sky.

The air battles between the Israeli F-15 aircraft and the Syrian MiG-21 took place almost daily, with heavy losses for the Syrians. And this is not surprising, the MiG-21 obsolete modifications were inferior in tactical and technical terms to the more modern F-15s. The situation was further aggravated by the fact that in Lebanon there was no real radar field enabling Syrian aviation detect aerial targets. The same can be said about the electronic equipment of the MiG-21 aircraft. Hence the low noise immunity. There was no need to talk about such an important technical and tactical factor as the hidden control of aircraft.

The same situation was in the ZRV. Anti-aircraft missile systems of all systems were poorly protected from interference and vulnerable. In addition, the Israelis knew all the frequencies of the Syrian complexes and easily carried out the opposition. It was not in the Syrian air defense forces and air force and modern automated controls (ACS). These are the reasons for the great losses suffered by the Syrian army on two fronts - in Lebanon and on its territory.

In this difficult situation, Syria turned to the USSR for help. October 9 1980. the whole world learned about the negotiations in Moscow, about the signing of the treaty on friendship and cooperation between the USSR and Syria. Under this treaty, both the construction of the Syrian armed forces and the principles of manning them with military advisers were envisaged.

October 10 1980 in Moscow, after the issue of my appointment as Chief Military Advisor, Chief of the General Staff of the USSR Supreme Soviet Marshal Sov. Union N.V.Ogarkov set before me a specific task - to create in the Syrian armed forces an organized, knowledgeable, efficient, disciplined team of military advisers. On this basis, in the shortest possible time to deploy a modern orgshtatny structure taking into account the combat capabilities of our military equipment arriving in Syria, to develop new forms and methods of conducting combat operations with a specific enemy.



October 15 1980 G. in 10 hours of the morning Moscow time. a civilian aircraft of the USSR rose from the Sheremetyevo airfield of time and headed for Damascus. On this plane, having changed into civilian clothes, I flew. The high speed of the aircraft was doing its job: under the wing, dear to Odessa’s heart, where the wife and children were left, the Black Sea soon disappeared, and the mountains of Bulgaria, then Turkey, appeared in the distance. Sitting in a noisy cabin, I recalled a conversation with USSR Minister of Defense Ustinov, asked me a question: “Tell me, general, honestly, did we make the right choice on your side? ..” It was not easy to answer, and N.V. Ogarkov helped, he helped, he warned me: “Dm. Fedor.! The choice is correct, there is no mistake ... ”The thought did not give rest: what did the minister doubt? In what? Why?
At 15.00 local time, the plane landed at Damascus airfield.

From the same day I took up my duties. The first thing I had to face was the unpreparedness of the Syrian armed forces, especially the air force and air defense units, to repel a possible Israeli attack. And it could begin any day, at any time.

Soon other comrades began to arrive from the USSR. Senior Advisor on Air Defense - Lieutenant-General of Artillery KS Babenko, former Deputy Commander of the Baku Air Defense District, participant in the Great Patriotic War and the Vietnam War; for the Air Force - Gen. -Lt. Aviation V.Sokolov, for EW - Gen.-Major - Engineer Yu.Ulchenko. Following them are advisers to the anti-aircraft brigade colonels V.V. Roslyakov, A.Yu.Pukhtinsky, I.N.Kovalev, lieutenant colonels N.V.Nesterenko, N.I. Makarov, and other comrades. Colonels I.P. Lavrentyev, A.S.Russkikh, E.I.Ionesyan, T.A.Dubasov, V.N. Verbot, Yu.M.Ilichev and others arrived at the Central Directorate of Air Defense and Air Force. All specialists of the Surn, Unk and Unz air defense missile systems were staffed with specialists.

The multi-hundred staff of advisers and specialists quickly got involved in the work. And there was a lot of work ahead: to deploy mixed anti-aircraft missile brigades and two air defense divisions, two mixed aviation divisions, to complete all of this with equipment, weapons, and control devices; to build combined command posts of air defense and air force divisions. As they arrive from the USSR, deploy automated controls. On the basis of the existing and incoming equipment, create a material and technical base, help the Syrian comrades to study and master all this in order to be able to apply in a combat situation. Taking into account the specific situation, it was necessary to develop and propose to the Syrian side a new one, corresponding to our system of planning and organizing operational and combat training, to develop and introduce new methods and methods of troop training.

The solution of these far from simple tasks took place under conditions of unbridled rampant of terrorists - opponents of the progressive Assad regime. The loss began to bear and the Soviet people. In the city of Hama, 4 of our officer was shot while traveling to the airfield. After some time in Damascus, the headquarters of the Air Force and Air Defense was undermined, about a hundred Syrians were killed, many were injured, including 6 of our advisers, in particular, Advisor to the Chief of Staff of the Air Force and Air Defense Gen.-Major Glagolev.



Since April, 1981, the Israeli aviation seemingly by mistake instead of the Palestinian camps in Lebanon began to strike at Syrian troops. There was a question about their cover. In the second half of April, 1981. the territory of Lebanon was introduced and covertly dispersed: an anti-aircraft missile brigade of mixed composition, two anti-aircraft artillery regiments, two radio engineering battalions and two EW battalions. The result was felt very soon: 4 Israeli aircraft were shot down (three F-16 and one F-15). And the raids on the troops stopped. But other “raids” began - ultimatums. 30 April America demanded that Syria withdraw from Lebanon SAM. Syria rejected these claims, while also declaring that it will defend Lebanon as well as its territory. In response to the ultimatum of the United States, the USSR also made a statement: it will continue to support Syria’s positions on resolving the Lebanese crisis.

May 5 was handed to me that together with President Assad, who will arrive there with a working visit after May 10, I should arrive in Moscow. Before departure, 7 or 8 in May, together with the SAR Defense Minister corpus General M. Plass, we went to Lebanon in the area of ​​firing positions of the air defense missile system: the minister was interested in the preparedness of combat crews. Everything turned out as ordered. Do not have time to get out of the car, as a group of Israeli aircraft. They tried to reach the goal. Two missile launches - two aircraft shot down, the rest turned back. The minister was delighted. He asked what I would advise to further improve the combat capability of the air defense system. I said that it was necessary to maneuver the divisions more often, change positions more often. To facilitate the task, each division must have 3-5 spare positions with exit routes ...

I was not able to leave for Moscow, the situation did not allow me. 10 in May, the United States and Israel provoked Lebanese "phalangists" who, with the support of Israeli aviation, attempted to capture the mountainous areas of Baruk and Sanin, where the air defense system was located. However, the attempt failed: the attacks were repulsed. At the same time, during the day of the 3 battles, the missilemen shot down another 3 aircraft - two F-15 and one F-4.

After H. Asad’s return from Moscow, I was informed that in the near future 50 MiG-23MLD aircraft would arrive in Syria.



What we did in Syria did not go unnoticed by the enemies of the Assad regime. By the fall of 1981. they began to openly hunt us. Twice they fired at my car, and on October 4 attempted to guard the building where the headquarters of the main military adviser was located, the families of other advisers lived. At the same time, our sentry was seriously injured. October 5 enemy managed to blow up this building. 6 people were killed and about 20 (m. 200?) Were injured, of which 23 - hard. I was contused.

We believed that active hostilities, and in fact the second war to crush the Palestinian camps and expel the Syrians from Lebanon, would begin after a rainy season - in late May-early June 1982. The prediction came true, the fights began on June 14.00. Taking into account the specifics of the magazine "Air Defense Bulletin", I will not describe in detail the course of the combat operations of the ground forces, I will say only the most important thing. On the fourth day of the fighting, the initiative in the land battle passed into the hands of the Syrians, the advance of the Israelis was halted. The Syrians began to prepare for the counterattack. To cover the counter-attack group on the night of 6 on 9 June, the 10-I mixed anti-aircraft missile brigade and three anti-aircraft artillery regiments were introduced into Lebanon.

The United States, apparently realizing that, in the person of Israel, they could lose their mace in the area, they began urgently to take the necessary measures. On the morning of June 10, F. Habib, personal envoy of R. Reagan, arrived in Damascus, followed by US Secretary of State Schultz in the afternoon of Damascus. But the pressure on the Syrians was not crowned with success. The Syrian President rejected all ultimatums and ordered the Minister of Defense on 7.30 11 to put an already prepared counterstrike.

After Damascus, American emissaries appeared in Tel Aviv, and on June 10 on Israel, 16.30 threw in its "trump card" - launched an air strike to eliminate the Syrian missile "Zonta" in the Bekaa Valley. This operation was carried out not so much to destroy the Syrian air defense system, as to prove its superiority in the air, to instill fear in the Syrians, to convince them that the "roof" over the troops and over the territory of Syria is not reliable.

It must be admitted that with this operation the Israelis have achieved a great deal, and above all in the moral and psychological terms. They inspired an anti-regime reaction inside Syria and shook healthy forces and even H. Assad himself and his entourage. By the end of June 10, Shults and Habib returned from Tel Aviv to Damascus, and after lengthy negotiations and promises, Assad made concessions. The parties agreed, on 12.00 11 June, the fighting between Israel and Syria on Lebanese territory was stopped.

I consider it necessary to consider in more detail the Israeli military actions, tactics and equipment of their aircraft on that victorious day for them 10 June 1982. Do not admire, namely, to consider, and with pain in the soul. It would be possible to admire when Syrian suddenly turned out to be on the site of Israeli aviation. But this "suddenly" could not be, because our help - I mean weaponTechnique was extremely weak and untimely. Delay, delay - our eternal disease.

The Israelis were able to carry out the suppression of the air defense missile system only in a narrow sector - in the area of ​​responsibility of the 82 mixed air defense missile brigade, and as a result of jamming, they also hit nine air defense divisions concentrated in the mountainous areas of Kasyun and Baruk in Syria.



The operation to suppress the air defense system in Lebanon (Bekaa Valley) was developed as follows.

The first. An electronic strike team was created. This group included unmanned aircraft - reconnaissance aircraft of the Scout (Israel) and Firebird (US) type. Flying on above the SAM-6 SAMs, they conducted a direct television broadcast of the image to the command post. Obtaining such visual information, the Israeli command made unmistakable decisions to launch missile strikes. In addition, the same unmanned aircraft put interference. They spotted the operating frequency of the radar and guidance equipment Syrian missile systems. Moreover, playing the role of "bait", causing the Syrian air defense missile system to fire on itself, reconnaissance aircraft diverted it from combat aircraft.

The Hokai early warning aircraft also belonged to the radar support team. Their functions: serif and control of the activity of the Syrian aircraft. The EW Boeing 707 aircraft and 53-type helicopters were continuously flying over the northern regions of Palestine and interacting with EW ground installations, listening to the Syrian air and air defense radio networks and jamming them with interferences. Bearing in operation, the Syrian radar, they refined their coordinates and transmitted to the operational (command) point, which contributed to the delivery of accurate strikes.

The second. Three strike groups were created.

The first group is ground-to-ground missile launchers of the Standard Arm type. These installations operated from the tops of the mountain region of Harmon, which dominated the positions of the Syrian air defense forces.
In addition to ground-based rocket launchers, long-range artillery and rocket artillery units participated in the destruction of the air defense missile system, using ball and cluster munitions that were able to be aimed at the target (especially at the final stage) using an infrared and laser beam.
The second strike group included Phantom fighter-bombers equipped with Standard Arm, Shrayk, Maverick missiles. "Phantoms" destroyed the remaining radar and launchers, and from ranges exceeding the range of the Syrian anti-aircraft medium-range missiles (from the 60-80km line).



These were planes designed to suppress the air defense system. Special engines were installed on them, which did not leave behind a trace of condensate, which made it difficult to visually detect the aircraft. They were equipped with an EW system codenamed “FR-38”. This system accepts the frequencies of the enemy’s radar and automatically interferes with them. 52 antennas installed throughout the aircraft’s fuselage provide stable reception of radar signals. Were on the aircraft and other innovations.

The third strike group consisted of the Kfir and F-15 fighters, which completed the destruction of the remaining launchers with conventional bomb strikes.

During that 10 operation in June, a major air battle took place in the sky of Lebanon. On both sides participated in it about 350 aircraft. In this battle, Syria lost 22 aircraft (4 MiG-23МФ, 8 MiG-23MS, 10 MiG-21bis). Israelis have lost 10 aircraft. In general, from 6 to 11 June, the Syrian air force shot down 23 in air battles and lost 47 aircraft. Anti-aircraft missile brigades in the skies over Lebanon and partially over Syria destroyed 35 air targets, of which 27 aircraft.

Thus, during the week of the war, the Syrians shot down 58 air targets using SAM and air force forces. Of these: -50 aircraft, unmanned vehicles - 8. The Syrians themselves lost 47 planes shot down in aerial combat, and 20 lost the enemy’s anti-aircraft missiles.

In these battles, the Central command post of the Air Force and Air Defense under the leadership of divisional generals Omar Sunuf, Ali Malyahafadzhi, Ali Saleh worked intensively and harmoniously. The management of radio engineering units and parts of the EW generals Samir Ataya, Salah Edwin Ashram skillfully carried out. But due to poor technical equipment, these units could not fully ensure the tasks assigned to them. They made the impossible possible.



The Soviet Air Force and Air Defense Center, as well as at other command and control centers, in the combat formations of the Syrian troops and in firing positions in Lebanon, along with the Syrians, our Soviet people worked tirelessly and selflessly. With airmen - officers under the leadership of generals V. Sokolov and N. Glagolev. In the case of tablet players, consoles, and control systems of the air defense missile system, advisers are led by General K. Babenko.

In general, the training of Syrian generals and officers was not bad, but at this stage they needed specific help. The fact is that our controls began to arrive in Syria only six weeks before the start of the war, and the ACS simply did not have time to master the control systems. And not only ACS. Assistance was also required at the combined, not yet fully deployed, divisional, brigade points of the air defense and air force. And the Syrian command noted with great gratitude the work of Colonels V.Roslyakov, N.Makarova, I.Kovalev, A.Russkikh, E.Ionesyan and others. All of them were awarded the Syrian and Soviet orders.

Special thanks were earned, of course, by those who were under fire — on the positions of the air defense system divisions, at the Surn, Unk, and Unz stations. They showed models of skill and courage, their example helped the Syrians to withstand and perform all combat missions. These are Major V.Zenin, Senior Lieutenants A.Sergeev, N.Burchakov, A.Danilchuk, N.Davydov, Lieutenant Colonels Y.Ushanov, J.Lysenkov, V.Paschenko, Major S.Ilchenko, Senior Lieutenants S.Pyankov, V. Borisov and others. Many of them are marked by state awards.


Admittedly, the Israelis were able to capture and maintain superiority in the air and over the battlefield. Many factors contributed to this, but I will mention only a few, from my point of view, the main ones: a good airborne detection system that relied on the Hokai early warning aircraft and ground radars installed on commanding heights in the combat area; the presence of an electronic warfare system, which makes it possible to eavesdrop on the Syrian air force's radio networks: intercepting orders coming from the ground to the Syrian aircraft, the Israelis hammered their radio networks and radars with interferences. Stunned "and" blinded "Syrian pilots fell under the sudden attacks of Israeli aircraft capable of hitting targets from long ranges and from various angles due to their air-to-air missiles such as Sidewind, Python 3.
The reader may ask, why we, the Soviet experts, did not help the Syrians to achieve opposition, equal to that which the Israelis have achieved? My answer: we could not do it. All receivers of Syrian complexes were suppressed by very high-density interference over the entire frequency range. And in order to fight them, it was necessary to weaken their power no less than 20-30 times. Unfortunately, the Syrians did not have such opportunities. We did not have them either. At that time, electronic intelligence and jamming systems of the SAR Armed Forces could not provide a violation of enemy command and control or even minimal protection of their aircraft, air defense missile systems and their other air defense forces and equipment for only one reason - the limited frequency range of suppression.

In this war, the Israelis created a well-functioning electronic warfare system equipped with modern technology. Electronic warfare funds were installed even on tanks, ships, not to mention combat aircraft, and even more special ones, such as Boeing-707, S-97 Hawkeye, Phantom (AF-4ji).

The integrated and massive use of electronic warfare, missiles and guided bombs with optoelectronic and radar homing heads was a decisive condition for Israel’s success in suppressing the Syrian air defense force in Lebanon and conquering airborne air supremacy. Experience has shown that without a modern automated control system, sustained noise immunity of radar and communications equipment, the creation of the necessary radar field for aircraft, it is impossible to control modern aviation and air defense systems.



The “truce” reached on 11 on June 1982, did not last long. The Israelis used it to regroup their forces in Lebanon, the United States and their allies to concentrate their fleets off the coast of Lebanon. 18 July Israelis broke the truce. In the sky of Lebanon, fighting broke out again, on the ground - fierce tank battles. But success again did not accompany Israel. This is recognized even by former Secretary of Defense Sharon. In the journal Namakhane he wrote: “The fighting with the Syrians in the direction of the Damascus-Beirut road was stubborn and bloody. Unfortunately, this time we were not able to achieve the desired results. ”
Americans came to the aid of the Israelis. They landed marines on the Lebanese coast, and part of the forces entered the West Beirut. In the current situation, the USSR needed to do something more for Syria. At the end of October, 1982, Ambassador V. I. Yukhin and I, the chief military adviser, were called to Moscow. After our reports on the current situation, the Syrian leadership was invited to Moscow, and a new stage began in our joint activity.

In early January, 1983. a long-range anti-aircraft missile regiment arrived in Syria with Soviet military personnel under the command of Colonel Bas. He did not stay long, he was replaced by Colonel S. B. Pokrovsky. The regiment concentrated in the Dumeirah area (40 km west of Damascus) and immediately took up combat duty. Soon arrived and other military units: technical regiment, it is located in the Green Guta: EW helicopter squadron, EW units based on the ground; in early February, a long-range anti-aircraft regiment commanded by Colonel I.I. Teterev. The regiment took positions in 5 km. East of g.Homsa. Profits new ACS; new military air defense systems "Osa-Oka" for the recruitment of mixed brigades in the combined-arms divisions; MiG-25 and MiG-23MLD aircraft with new airborne locators capable of tracking and launching 4-6 targets automatically; new missiles and bombs of volumetric explosion and high-power ammunition ...

The staff of advisers and specialists was increased, the post of deputy chief military adviser was introduced, and Major General M. Kolesov became the head. At my headquarters, starting from 1983, the operational control group from the naval squadron was located. In the Lebanon-Syria sector, it cooperated with the Syrian armed forces, especially with fighter aircraft and long-range air defense regiments.

The United States did not like it. And again, power methods and ultimatums: Syrian troops must leave Lebanon.

Ultimatum rejected.

In December, the naval blockade of the coast of Lebanon by the combined forces (USA, Britain, France, Italy) began. Shipboard artillery in conjunction with the bomber aircraft began to deliver massive strikes against the national-patriotic forces of Lebanon and the Syrian troops occupying defenses in the mountainous areas of Sanina, covering the Damascus-Beirut highway, as well as against the Syrian troops defending in the Bekaa valley.

The Syrians launched a series of retaliatory strikes against the US naval grouping. Began to act against carrier-based aircraft. For six days, the rocket men shot down nine American aircraft, incl. five A-6, three F-14, one F-4, in addition, four Israeli and two French decks "Super-fmb" (?). In the air battles on the MiG-23MLD, the Syrians shot down four Israeli aircraft (three F-15 and one F-4), without losing a single one.

Before the blockade, the Americans used the Firebie reconnaissance planes massively over Syrian troops in Lebanon, as well as over Soviet air defense systems in Syria. The direct-protection divisions - “Wasp” shot down: 202 zrp - five unmanned aircraft, and the 231 regiment - six. 202 SPR launching one missile shot down an Hokai early warning aircraft at a range of 190 km.
And the flights of the United States and Israel stopped.

The effectiveness of the actions of the Syrian air defense system at this stage was also discussed by the US press. In one of the sources it was written: "American artificial earth satellites and airplanes equipped with the most modern electronic equipment sent a huge amount of interference into the sky of Matna (Jabel province of Lebanon), but Syrian missiles were able to overcome them with great ease and hit all the targets." And: “Damascus is now ready for any surprise. The destruction of the American planes and the capture of the American pilot Robert Gutman, the strikes against the ship group, which forced the Americans and their allies to retreat to the shores of Cyprus, is not only a military, but also a political victory. X Assad could not have ordered retaliatory actions if he had not relied on a firm conviction of success. ”

US Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger threatened with the battleship New Jersey. However, the Syrian War Minister M. Tlas said: "Shot down American planes can sink and American ships" Any bans are no longer valid when it comes to the life and honor of the Motherland. " It became clear to everyone that Syria 1983 was no longer the Syria that was at the end of the 70s. She could reject any threats.
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  1. avt
    +22
    12 January 2013 10: 30
    Great! good It’s written and read in the same breath! Strong grandfather !! good hi
    1. 0
      30 May 2020 13: 18
      article - a lie about the Jews of the Slav Yashkin
      Prove by referring to serious authoritative sources that Israel allegedly "had losses."
  2. +31
    12 January 2013 10: 48
    History repeats itself. Again, a pack of "democrats" wants to pounce on Syria, but apparently the memory of the planes shot down 30 years ago still has a sobering effect.
  3. -28
    12 January 2013 11: 04
    Perhaps they will be angry with me here, but alas, Israel did not lose F-15 over Lebanon. From 1982 to 1986, the Israeli Air Force losses in Lebanon amounted to 4 helicopters and 4 aircraft. Including one "Kfir" and three "Phantoms". There is also information about an F-15 returning to base with severe wing damage. But the pilot managed to save the car and it was restored.
    1. berg
      -28
      12 January 2013 12: 26
      from above the person wrote: "read in one breath" and you with clarifications bully

      PS why does the author not give photos of the wreckage of aircraft? winked
      1. Ratibor12
        +22
        12 January 2013 17: 46
        Quote: berg
        from above the person wrote: "read in one breath" and you with clarifications


        So it is read in one breath at ours! And vrazhin from this - breathtaking! laughing
      2. Oleg Rosskiyy
        +7
        12 January 2013 21: 16
        berg,
        Maybe even crowns from your teeth and American downed pilots?
    2. +15
      12 January 2013 13: 17
      Aron Zaavi,
      At 83 we had a new CWP teacher at our school, a lieutenant colonel, I only remember that his name was Vasily Fedorovich, he had awards and Soviet and three Syrian orders, as well as a diploma from Assad the elder, for downing three Israeli planes, though he shot down "Arrow", well, I don't remember what year
    3. phantom359
      +14
      12 January 2013 13: 44
      Aron ZaaviInformation from open source IDF? I want to upset you, they are often full of, to say the least, inaccuracies. At 73m they shot down 100 with an Arab hook, without losing a single one in an aerial battle.).
      1. +10
        12 January 2013 13: 59
        phantom359,
        phantom359,
        Well, it's in 73, there really were a lot of planes shot down, my neighbor spent six months in Syrian captivity, he told me that there were a lot of Israeli pilots in captivity, they were beaten almost every day, unlike ordinary soldiers, they were not allowed to wash, wash , food only water and waste, thanks only to the Red Cross, they were released from captivity
        1. phantom359
          +12
          12 January 2013 14: 39
          igor67Unfortunately, the enemy does not like pilots most of all. The damage is big, but it can’t reach, that’s how they take offense at the prisoners. Arabs in this regard, masters. He can’t fight, but he can gulp, shoot into the air and scoff at the unarmed - always welcome.
          1. +3
            12 January 2013 23: 53
            Samosuds over pilots are quite normal, for example, civilized Germans torn British bombers apart, the example of a mackayne is remembered when Soviet advisers rescued him from the lynching court, the Arabs are completely humane, if they just beat them, for clarity, as you can see a movie, the fall of the black hawk, and the fate of the pilot Duran.
            1. +1
              13 January 2013 23: 41
              ,, Arabs are completely humane people, tomket! What are you talking about? Arabs are humane people? Are you there? In the Arab countries ??????
              1. Guun
                0
                15 January 2013 22: 01
                Sometimes I’ll even say that if you don’t do anything bad to them, they will not affect you. I have such a job in the Middle East. But you probably never wrote such a thing. That is why all Arabs are poor and destitute, I will tell you this. Example, if a Saudi woman’s husband dies, her husband’s relatives take care of her and her children until they buy a house or apartment for them and provide until the children are unable to provide for their mother, if there are no children she lives with them as her own daughter. Relationships there are very very strong. .
          2. Guun
            +1
            15 January 2013 21: 56
            Quote: phantom359
            Arabs in this regard, masters. He can’t fight, but he can gulp, shoot into the air and scoff at the unarmed - always welcome.

            Well, actually the Syrian Arabs fought well in that war, the USSR helped Syria, the United States, Israel Israel. If the Syrian Arabs were not good-natured warriors, they would have won the war. Do you think before writing?
            1. Mironk
              0
              15 January 2013 22: 50
              And what, they won that war? An original look at the military history of the Middle East ...
          3. +1
            15 January 2013 23: 37
            Quote: phantom359
            the enemy does not like pilots most of all

            And this is not surprising - especially knowing the love of NATO and their minions for the carpet bombing of settlements and civilians.

            Libya after flightless NATO zones
      2. -14
        12 January 2013 15: 34
        phantom359
        In 1982. In the 1973 year, the loss of the AOI Air Force on the southern and northern fronts lost 102 vehicles and another 8 vehicles were decommissioned after their repair was deemed inappropriate. In the 1982 year, if we take only its Air Force, the IDF lost only 3 vehicles. 2 Phantom and 1 Kfir. Everything from air defense fire. How did you specify this IDF data. And despite the fact that 30 years have passed, no one has denied this data.
        1. Karish
          -17
          12 January 2013 15: 51
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          In 1973, AOI losses on the southern and northern fronts lost 102 aircraft and another 8 were decommissioned after their repair was deemed inappropriate.

          And all this was at the expense of the USSR, because Syria never returned the money and did not pay pensions to the Soviet soldiers who died for Syria. Allies laughing
          1. Oleg Rosskiyy
            +3
            12 January 2013 21: 22
            Karish,
            What difference does it make at the expense of the USSR, but there really was an excellent result, there is something to think about, and the Americans did not help.
            1. -22
              12 January 2013 21: 33
              Oleg Rosskiyy
              The result of the help of Soviet advisers in 1982 was the defeat of the Syrian air force and air defense in Lebanon and the grave defeat of the land group. Israel captured more than 400 tanks alone.
              1. Cavas
                +19
                12 January 2013 21: 56
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                The result of the help of Soviet advisers in 1982 was the defeat of the Syrian Air Force and Air Defense in Lebanon and the grave defeat of the land group.

                Not tired of lying?
                The GRU of the General Staff of the Soviet Union revealed the location of the main and auxiliary command post of Israeli troops.
                At 12:30, Syrian fighter-bomber aircraft using 6 MiG-23BN forces struck the headquarters of the Israeli group in the village of Samahiya, several senior officers died.

                The command of the Israeli land group in Lebanon was partly disorganized and Sharon tried to wreck the Syrian offensive with a powerful air strike.


                You should have a sedative drink, otherwise you’ll destroy all the Sun of the Universe so soon! wassat
                1. Igor Belov
                  +13
                  12 January 2013 22: 03
                  Quote: Cavas
                  soon you will defeat all the sun of the universe!

                  May SILA come with you, Aron Zaavi ... wassat
                2. -15
                  12 January 2013 22: 03
                  Before you practice copy-paste, you’d try to understand what was written fool
                  General Staff say? Well, well ... Not a lot of educational program.

                  General Yehezkel Adam (pictured with Sharon and Rabin) was born in Tel Aviv in a family of immigrants from the Caucasus. Killed on the 10 of June the 1982 of the. On the fourth day of the first Lebanon war, General Adam carried out a check of troops along with Colonel Haim Sela. They examined the Beaufort outpost, and then headed to the village of Doha near the city of Damur. During their stay in one of the buildings, mortar shelling began and they went down to the basement, where terrorists hid who opened fire and killed two senior officers. The special forces of Shaldag, under the command of Guillaura Inbar and Tal Vardi, with the support of Golani soldiers, eliminated the terrorists and rescued the bodies of the officers. General Adam buried in a military cemetery in Kiryat Shaul.

                  Learn materiel and lay out cartoons, you get it better. laughing
                  1. Cavas
                    +10
                    13 January 2013 00: 53
                    Quote: professor
                    General Staff say?

                    Are all Jews unable to read?
                    I quote " The GRU of the General Staff of the Soviet Union revealed the location of the main and auxiliary command post of Israeli troops"
                    Hey science fiction, Goebbels nervously smokes on the sidelines! wink
                    1. -11
                      13 January 2013 11: 34
                      Again, tales and lies. I already conducted an educational program for you - read carefully if you can’t refute it.
                    2. Director
                      +9
                      13 January 2013 12: 21
                      Explain why "Russian" Jews are on the site under the German flag. bully
                      1. 0
                        13 January 2013 12: 57
                        Because the site’s administration arbitrarily chose this checkbox, after those who were under the Israeli flag on the site began to actively minus anti-Semites only on the basis of location.
                      2. tolan777
                        +9
                        13 January 2013 14: 15
                        Bullshit. Zionists minus for their statements. Here is the same Odessa (Esther) I always see in the pros, although they are also from Israel and does not hide it.
                      3. -5
                        13 January 2013 14: 18
                        Esther tries not to say something that contradicts the opinion of the majority of those present here.
                      4. Misantrop
                        +7
                        13 January 2013 17: 08
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Esther tries not to say something that contradicts the opinion of the majority here

                        Is it an option that she sets out her own opinion a priori? winked
                      5. 0
                        13 January 2013 17: 18
                        Do not attribute to me your errors 8)
                      6. fokino1980
                        0
                        13 January 2013 14: 36
                        Pimpy! Whose are you ???? Of those who blame the destruction of the civilian population of the USSR on the SS ???
                      7. 0
                        16 January 2013 11: 38
                        The checkbox corresponds to the country of residence of the sender of the comment, and not its nationality, and is set automatically
                      8. +1
                        21 January 2013 21: 13
                        Probably because these "Russian" Jews write from German territory. Homeland is where it is warmer. And what can a poor Jew do in that Israel? :)))
                  2. +1
                    17 January 2013 15: 30
                    The professor pulled himself in - demagogues - counterfeiters arrived in the regiment))
                    1. +2
                      17 January 2013 15: 37
                      But essentially there is something to argue, are you our true? wink
                3. Oboz
                  0
                  13 January 2013 22: 56
                  Delays, being late - our eternal disease.
              2. DmitriRazumov
                0
                13 January 2013 14: 11
                If you look at the map of Israel, it is difficult to imagine where you can place these 400 captured vehicles, as you write.
              3. 0
                16 January 2013 14: 10
                You are the cutest, apparently still very young, and you have not seen that war. And what your and American vultures are weaving is not surprising, they are masters of desa.
              4. 0
                17 January 2013 15: 29
                If you lived earlier and were German, then Dr. Goebbels would have hired you as a propagandist.
          2. +6
            12 January 2013 23: 57
            By the way, how is Israel and what is it with America for phantoms and f-15 calculated ??? carrots grown ???
            1. +4
              13 January 2013 00: 27
              Jews own more than 90% of the global banking system, including the Fed, so who is paying anyone is another question ... 5
          3. 0
            13 January 2013 13: 00
            do you pay pensions to mattresses?))))
        2. +2
          12 January 2013 23: 56
          the Americans also have wild inconsistencies with losses during Operation Lenbaker 2, for example, no one shot down the B-52, but it lies in the center of Hanoi in a lake. and no one refutes the Americans, lies and lies, but how did they calculate losses this is their business
          1. -10
            13 January 2013 00: 02
            for example B-52, according to the statement, no one shot down

            Share a link to such statements?
            1. +2
              13 January 2013 00: 49
              any source on Operation Lenbaker2 American claimed losses and Vietnamese claimed victories. just like day
              1. -8
                13 January 2013 03: 04
                And still - the link
                1. -10
                  13 January 2013 11: 35
                  Support, where is the link? Only do not send to Gigl ... wink
        3. phantom359
          +1
          16 January 2013 02: 06
          Aron Zaavi, The refutation of the shaft, you just do not read them and do not want to read.
    4. -7
      12 January 2013 15: 00
      It is worth noting that with the F16, the patch. If in the 70s the losses of the Israeli Air Force amounted to dozens, then just at that time there were quite a few of them.
      1. -12
        12 January 2013 15: 11
        There were simply no casualties in aerial combat.
        1. -5
          12 January 2013 15: 15
          Granovsky in the article has a very detailed analysis on this subject.
        2. Insurgent
          +8
          12 January 2013 15: 35
          v-82 Syrians lost 2 instant 25, Israel lost f-16 someone does not want to admit their losses
          1. -10
            12 January 2013 15: 39
            How do you imagine hiding the loss of a combat aircraft in Israel? The co-workers are silent for 30 years, are not on the lists of the dead, the families are silent and Ilana Dayan is silent. More or less like this?
            1. Insurgent
              +2
              12 January 2013 17: 35
              The professor is censored everywhere. We can only guess what leaked and what not.
              1. -6
                12 January 2013 22: 05
                There is military censorship in Israel who would argue. But there is also Anat Kam. It’s impossible to hide the rub in Israel.
                1. +1
                  16 January 2013 14: 18
                  Losses are human, but not technical.
            2. +3
              13 January 2013 00: 01
              nothing is impossible, you don’t know?
          2. -5
            12 January 2013 15: 40
            Israel did not lose f16. This has not been confirmed. For some reason, other losses were recognized, but F16 - no? Do not make me laugh.

            There are photos of the downed Kfirs, there are photos of the wounded F16. But no one has ever found the downed ones.

        3. Oleg Rosskiyy
          +3
          12 January 2013 21: 24
          Quote: professor
          There were simply no casualties in aerial combat.

          We know about this, they fell on their own, this was often written earlier by the Americans, because of malfunctions in technology.
          1. -4
            12 January 2013 22: 06
            Did you fall? Where are the debris? Present to the public pliz. wink
            1. +6
              13 January 2013 00: 02
              you claim that you haven’t had a single accident in the entire history of the operation of the f-15 and f-16 ???? and the photo of the downed MiG-25 in the 82 year please !!! otherwise we’ll say that they flew to the Union, and there they were their pioneers dismantled for scrap!
            2. +1
              16 January 2013 14: 21
              It seems like a solid nickname, but you’re talking about, sorry, hu ....!
      2. +3
        13 January 2013 00: 00
        well, so I say that nobody shot down B-52 in Vietnam, they would have noticed the loss of such an aircraft, but he was in the lake nonetheless
    5. +2
      12 January 2013 23: 49
      we won’t be angry but you justify the fact that you didn’t lose f-15, all sources report three f-15 and one phantom, what sources do you have?
    6. 0
      17 January 2013 15: 23
      Well, yes, another 10 years and it will become clear that Israel then did not lose anything at all. How similar it is to the US statistics for Korea and Vietnam. Fables about the ratio of 1 to 10 in favor of the United States. And even worse. Fables about an unaffected "Merkava" (although the tank is excellent, who can argue, especially in terms of armor protection). Why does a retired general have the courage to talk about the failures and miscalculations of the USSR, while the "free" media of Israel and the United States (and their supporters) cannot admit their failures?
      Indeed, it’s like now - terrorists are blowing up the university with civilians, and the West is writing about a terrorist attack by Assad. Terrorist attacks are ALWAYS a means of all kinds of "oppositions" (especially Islamist ones) to discredit the authorities.
  4. PAC3
    -15
    12 January 2013 11: 17
    The first group is ground-to-ground missile launchers of the Standard Arm type.

    the presence of air-to-air missiles of the Sayduinder, Python-3 (Israel) type, capable of hitting targets from long ranges and from various angles.

    The level of training of the adviser general is immediately visible. This is obvious.

    I'm not talking about the story that EW aircraft immediately carry and PRR.
    1. +19
      12 January 2013 15: 26
      PAC3

      Quote: PAC3
      The level of training of the adviser general is immediately visible. This is obvious.


      where there, some kind of military general, to MEGAEXPERT from the Internet.
      Surely your level of training will allow you to erase the air force of any country in dust in three days, without your own losses.

      Yuri Avramovich, admit it, are you?
      1. -12
        12 January 2013 15: 31
        If you think that military generals are not incompetent and do not lie, then you are deeply mistaken. And then lies to lies, an attempt to justify their miscalculations, and, in fact, defeat.
        1. +8
          12 January 2013 15: 42
          Pimply

          Quote: Pimply
          If you think that military generals are not incompetent and do not lie, then you are deeply mistaken.


          no I do not think so.

          Megaexpert’s opinion about the level of training of the military general was very impressive.
          1. -9
            12 January 2013 16: 21
            It's funny Read somehow the opinions of contemporaries about memoirs, for example, Zhukov.
            And also remember the punctures of the generals in Chechnya, Afghanistan - but there are many more.

            Yashkin cites data long ago refuted. In fact, Syria was defeated in the sky in 1982. And this is a considerable part of his guilt. Therefore, uncle makes excuses
            1. +3
              12 January 2013 16: 44
              Pimply

              Quote: Pimply
              It's funny Read some opinions of contemporaries about memoirs, for example, Zhukov


              what is wrong with them?


              Quote: Pimply
              And also recall the punctures of the generals in Chechnya, Afghanistan - but there are many more


              I said somewhere that generals are such a special kind of people who are not mistaken?


              Quote: Pimply
              Yashkin cites data long ago refuted.


              what?


              Quote: Pimply
              And this is a considerable part of his guilt.


              expand what it is.
              1. -10
                12 January 2013 17: 07
                Let's just say that Zhukov did not always follow historical reality.

                In particular, he claims that he did not participate in the preparation of Directive No. 3, since he was sent at 13.00:22 on June 14.00 to the South-Western Front and at 14.00:16.00 already flew to Kiev. However, in accordance with the Diary of visits by I.V. Stalin, G.K. Zhukov was in Stalin’s office in the Kremlin from 22 pm to XNUMX pm on June XNUMX.


                Quote: Karlsonn
                expand what it is.

                That the losses were disproportionate
                1. +1
                  12 January 2013 18: 16
                  Pimply


                  Quote: Pimply
                  Let's just say that Zhukov did not always follow historical reality.


                  What is it like!? belay


                  Quote: Pimply
                  In particular, he claims that he did not participate in the preparation of Directive No. 3


                  where did he say that?


                  Quote: Pimply
                  That the losses were disproportionate


                  You are tearing my brain! Is this general to blame for the losses of the Syrian troops?
                  the state of the Syrian army, the level of their training, the level of proficiency in technology, the Israelis - and nothing?
                  1. -3
                    13 January 2013 03: 18
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    You are tearing my brain! Is this general to blame for the losses of the Syrian troops?
                    the state of the Syrian army, the level of their training, the level of proficiency in technology, the Israelis - and nothing?


                    At what dear, moreover. But it was he who was the chief military adviser. What, as it were, imposes a certain level of responsibility, do not find.

                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    where did he say that?


                    In the 10 chapter
            2. fokino1980
              +2
              13 January 2013 14: 25
              Pimpy! You are bubbly !!!!
          2. PAC3
            +5
            13 January 2013 08: 20
            I repeat, if a general confuses OTR with StandardARM, Sidewinder turns into a missile "capable of hitting targets at long distances," and an electronic warfare plane turns into a PRR carrier, then what to talk about.
            It is clear that the general is supposed to be able to only sign where the colonel shows, but why the brains of his readers litter?
            I am with similar generals who demanded to whitewash the curbs of the tracks at the starting positions of the Zrd, to clear the positions of grass and shrubs, etc. At one time he talked.
            1. postman
              0
              14 January 2013 01: 13
              PAC3,
              General (if it's him) -0.
              Baby talk. He didn’t see the S-200 in his eyes, and has no idea about deployment.
              And the photos to the article speak for themselves: grenade launchers, tanks, etc. td
              Although it may be avtodunakolipast ......
        2. Director
          0
          13 January 2013 12: 36
          Hey Jew, stop annoying us with your arguments for the lamp, even if you’re at least a little bit right, then this GENERAL, HERO OF MY COUNTRY and you are just transporters.
          1. +2
            13 January 2013 12: 40
            Son, would you learn Russian at school and shame haulman you are ours. wink
            1. fokino1980
              0
              13 January 2013 14: 26
              Professor! Deutschland Deutschland Uber Ales
        3. +1
          16 January 2013 14: 24
          The opposite side is likely to sin.
      2. PAC3
        +2
        13 January 2013 08: 08
        Well, on the issue of the use of ZRV - I’m definitely better than the general.
        Because I had to study this issue both according to Neupokoev and the Shooting Rules. Yes, and the Guide to the study of shooting rules I know what color.)

        And I had to serve and communicate more than once with people in the Zrk who fought in Syria, in Libya, in Vietnam.

        Based on what I know - on June 9 and 10, 1982, the SAR air defense missile system suffered a severe defeat. A significant part of the equipment was lost, people and, most importantly, the anti-aircraft missile defense system were destroyed, which led to grave consequences in the course of the further war. The actively discussed issue of losses is not particularly important, because having lost 1 plane or 10 or 40 in the Israeli Air Force, air dominance was achieved.,
        The reasons for the defeat are not in technology or training, they were quite at the level of the Syrians in 1982, The main problem is the stereotyped decisions when deploying in the Bekaa Valley, not readiness for non-standard solutions, such as a first strike on the positions of the OTR divisions (namely OTR, not " ARM standard ", as the general asserts), widespread use of UAVs, etc.
        1. Yarbay
          -1
          13 January 2013 08: 28
          Quote: PAC3
          And I had to serve and communicate with people in the Zrk who fought in Syria, Libya, and Vietnam more than once.

          From all that I read here today and in general in the media, one thing is clear to me that in that war Syria suffered heavy losses and, apparently, there was a lot of betrayal as before!
          The fact that Israel is better prepared for the war, moreover, non-standard decisions were made that confused the Syrian command and military advisers!
          1. Misantrop
            +1
            13 January 2013 17: 13
            Quote: Yarbay
            Israel is better prepared for war, moreover, non-standard decisions were made that confused the Syrian command
            There is nothing to confirm (since no one scans ANYTHING and uploads it to the network), but I heard that there was just a standard solution in both wars - an elementary bribery of those who were at key posts ...
    2. 0
      17 January 2013 15: 44
      He was the chief military adviser, that is, the administrator. So such punctures with air defense-specific air forces are excusable.
  5. CCA
    CCA
    +17
    12 January 2013 11: 20
    And this despite the fact that the USA, Israel, France, Italy and England acted directly, by the forces of their trained warriors, and we had to act indirectly, providing equipment and advisers, and only in difficult, critical moments took everything into our own hands .... Therefore now they are very looking back at Russia's position in Syria, they do not want to get bitten again ... angry
    1. Karish
      -12
      12 January 2013 13: 49
      Quote: KKA
      and we had to act indirectly, providing equipment and advisers, and only in complex,

      The war was generally between Israel and Syria. And in the Israeli Army there were neither advisers nor American air defense regiments, but France and Italy could not be pulled at all, they blocked only the Lebanese coast and did not take part in hostilities. By the way, blocking the Lebanese coast (without the blockade of the Syrian is just a waste of time (just look at the map)
      1. +6
        12 January 2013 15: 43
        Karish

        where are you from, if not a secret of course smile .
      2. Oleg Rosskiyy
        +1
        12 January 2013 21: 28
        Quote: Karish
        The war was generally between Israel and Syria

        I ask, like you, present direct evidence and facts testifying that the Israelis fought alone, without the support of the Anglo-Saxons, French and Italians?
        1. -1
          13 January 2013 03: 06
          You know, there is a wonderful example.

          And then prove that you are not a camel. (with)

          - I said answer - yes or no! A simple question can always be answered with “yes” or “no”; in my opinion, this is not difficult.
          “Imagine hard,” Carlson intervened. “I will ask you a simple question now, and you yourself will be convinced of this.” Here, listen! You stopped drinking brandy in the morning, answer - yes or no?
          “Yes, yes, of course,” assured the Kid, who wanted to help Freken Bok so much. But then she was completely brutalized.
          - No! She cried, completely losing her head. The kid blushed and picked up to support her:
          - No, no, I haven't stopped!
          “Sorry, sorry,” Carlson said. - Drinking does not lead to good. (with)
  6. +7
    12 January 2013 11: 30
    Thank! It was written interestingly, if there are any non-docking then they are in any war. No one will ever tell the full truth.
    1. Karish
      -18
      12 January 2013 13: 45
      .
      The reader may ask, why didn’t we, Soviet specialists, help the Syrians achieve a reaction equal to that reached by the Israelis? I will answer: we could not do this

      Such a small Israel scored all the air defense produced by the USSR, how were you going to fight with NATO?
      In this war, the Israelis created a well-functioning and equipped with modern technology electronic warfare system.

      By the way, everything is its own production (note 1982) laughing
      The comprehensive and massive use of electronic warfare systems, missiles and guided bombs with optoelectronic and radar homing heads was a decisive condition for Israel's success in suppressing the Syrian air defense group in Lebanon

      And all this in 1982 - 30 years ago. . laughing
      It became clear to everyone that Syria in 1983 was not the same Syria that it was in the late 70s. She could reject any threats.

      So the Golan did not try to return? laughing
      1. Insurgent
        -1
        12 January 2013 17: 38
        Nesmesha everything is done in the United States and hokai radar for 200 km all looked at the Syrian sky in the USSR and did not appear similar radar although developed
        1. Oleg Rosskiyy
          +1
          12 January 2013 21: 30
          Quote: Insurgent
          Nesmeshi everything is done in the United States and Hokai radar for 200 km all looked through the Syrian sky

          We looked, licked the bare gums and decided, enough is enough.
        2. 0
          17 January 2013 15: 51
          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C0-50
          Called A-50
          Range detection of air targets:

          torches of ballistic non-strategic missiles: 800 km (optical means)
          bombers: up to 650 km
          fighters: 300 km [8]
          cruise missiles (EPR = 1 m²): 215 km

          Range detection of ground targets:

          single target type of launcher of operational-tactical missiles: up to 300 km
          group goals such as "column of tanks": up to 250 km

          Range detection of marine targets (with EPR 250 m²): to the radio horizon
          Number of escorted air targets: up to 300

          Moreover, these are old characteristics of the first modifications
          1. 0
            17 January 2013 16: 41
            It was only in that war that A-50 could not take part in any way since it was adopted only in the 1985 year
  7. djon3volta
    +4
    12 January 2013 13: 37
    in 1973, Egypt and Syria launched an unexpected attack on Israel. On the second day, Israeli ground forces were on the verge of defeat. Given the situation in which their ground forces found themselves, an Israeli A-4 fighter flew out on patrol ... with one nuclear bomb.
    but in general I advise everyone to watch the movie PRICE OF FEAR (2002), there, as it were, they show Putin .. the film is super-duper.
    1. Karish
      -5
      12 January 2013 14: 27
      Quote: djon3volta
      in 1973, Egypt and Syria launched an unexpected attack on Israel. On the second day, the Israeli ground forces were on the verge of defeat. Given the situation in which their ground forces found themselves, the Israeli A-4 fighter flew out on patrol ... with one nuclear bomb

      Read the story of Doomsday Wars and stop telling tales.
      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D1%83%D0%B4%D
      0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%8F#.D0.A1.D0.B8.D0.BD.D0.B0.D0.B9.D1.81.D
      0.BA.D0.B8.D0.B9_.D1.84.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.BD.D1.82.2C_.D0.95.D0.B3.D0.B8.D0.BF.D0.B
      5.D1.82

      Only the threat of the USSR to directly intervene in the war and use nuclear weapons did not allow Israel to seize Cairo and Damascus
      1. +15
        12 January 2013 15: 37
        Karish

        Quote: Karish
        Only the threat of the USSR to directly intervene in the war and use nuclear weapons did not allow Israel to seize Cairo and Damascus


        only the threat of nuclear weapons can stop Zionist militarism !!! bully
        1. Karish
          -14
          12 January 2013 15: 43
          Quote: Karlsonn
          only the threat of nuclear weapons can stop Zionist militarism !!!

          Tremble banderlog.
          1. Igor Belov
            +6
            12 January 2013 15: 50
            Quote: Karish
            Tremble banderlog.

            Do not flicker, tailed, teeth fall out!
          2. +7
            12 January 2013 16: 18
            Karish

            Quote: Karish
            Tremble banderlog.


            unlike all terrorist organizations, Ukrainian air defense can kill Jews with impunity and it won’t be for it!
            1. +1
              12 January 2013 16: 28
              Karlsonn
              Ukrainians have always loved to kill Jewish women and children, especially when men were in the Polish Army or the Red Army.
              1. +10
                12 January 2013 16: 52
                Aaron Zawi

                and if Jews also fly on a m ..... plane, Ukrainian air defense will not miss a chance!

                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Ukrainians have always loved to kill Jewish women and children, especially when men were in the Polish Army or the Red Army.


                you are incorrectly informed, these are not Ukrainians, these are geeks most of whom subsequently overtook a deserved punishment.
              2. OSTAP BENDER
                +2
                12 January 2013 18: 18
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Ukrainians have always loved to kill Jewish women and children, especially when men were in the Polish Army or the Red Army.

                Aron, you are confusing something! Read the reference!
                http://nvo.ng.ru/history/2002-09-20/5_gitler.html
              3. +15
                12 January 2013 22: 02
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Ukrainians have always loved to kill Jewish women and children, especially when men were in the Polish Army or the Red Army.


                Jewish pogrom in the Rhine Valley of 1096. About 12,000 dead.
                Jewish pogroms in England from 1189 to 1190. A wave of Jewish pogroms swept across the country, associated with the coronation of Richard I.
                Jewish pogroms in Spain and France in 1320. Destroyed 120 communities.
                Jewish pogroms in Germany and France 1348 - 1351. About 50 large and 150 small communities were destroyed
                Jewish pogrom in Spain in 1391. About 4000 people were killed. "In 1391, in Seville alone, the rabble killed ZOOOO Jews ...
                Jewish pogrom in Poland in 1648. More than 100 Jews were killed, a third of the Jewish communities of Poland and Ukraine were burned and destroyed.
                If you trust the data of the "Jewish Encyclopedia", then up to 1500 in Europe died approx. 380 thousand Jews (about 40% of their total number). Expelled from Western Europe, they took refuge in Poland, where for the most part they became intermediaries between the gentry and serfs, also concentrating trade and profitable crafts in their hands.
                "Serving the interests of [Polish] landowners and the government <...> incurred the hatred of the population moaning under political and economic oppression."

                However, if in free Poland the people regularly vented their anger through pogroms, then with the accession of these lands to Russia, the pogroms ceased for a century.
                The first three cases of the pogrom of Jews occurred in Odessa in 1821, 1859 and 1871, but these were phenomena that were not directly related to the Russian people, because they were caused by hostility to Jews from local greek population. The real history of pogroms in the Russian Empire dates back to 1881 - the year of the assassination of Emperor Alexander II. Flaring up in Elisavetgrad, the wave of pogroms continued until 1884, affecting more than 150 settlements of the Empire and led to death 2 Jews and 19 Russian peasants (the latter died during resistance to the authorities, who put things in order).
                1903gPogrom in Chisinau killed 43 people, 39 of whom were JewsMoreover, the pogrom acquired a bloody character only after the Jews, armed with revolvers, decided to crack down on the pogromists, killing and injuring several Christians. After this, the pogrom grew into a brutal massacre
                1905 - about 700 pogroms after the Manifesto of October 17. during the October pogroms 1622 people were lost. (of which 711 Jews, i.e. 43%)and 3544 people were injured. (1207 of them are Jews, i.e. 34%). Characteristic are the data on Kiev, in which 47 people were killed during the October pogroms, of which only 19 were Jews. .
                “... the people were indignant at the arrogance and impudence of the revolutionaries and socialists, and since 9/10 of them were Jews, all the anger fell on those - hence the Jewish pogroms ... But not only some Jews suffered badly, the Russian agitators also got into it: engineers, lawyers and all other nasty people. ”
                Emperor Nicholas 2 from a letter to his mother
                1. +13
                  12 January 2013 22: 05
                  Among the main reasons for the pogroms, it is worth noting the commercial and industrial activity of Jews, who concentrated considerable financial resources in the province and had clear advantages in economic competition compared to Russian peasants, as well as the disproportionately high participation of Jews in the revolutionary movement. All this was aggravated by the fact that the Jews were hostile to Christianity and, based on their Talmudic dogma, were arrogant towards the indigenous Orthodox population. Frank provocations played a significant role, as did preventive measures of “self-defense” (for example, when a certain Jacob Breitman threw three bombs into the Black-Hundred procession in Odessa); or the spread of anti-Semitic leaflets by the Jewish revolutionaries themselves with pogroms, with a warning about the "pending" pogrom and calls to arm themselves with their fellow tribesmen.
                  book: Black Hundred. Historical Encyclopedia 1900-1917. Repl. editor O.A. Platonov. M., Kraft +, Institute of Russian Civilization, 2008.
                  The pogroms in Russia are incomparable in their consequences not only with similar phenomena in medieval Europe, but also with the policy of German Nazis against Jews, whose victims are millions of Jews. In Russia (including in the territory of modern Ukraine), the number of Jews killed during the pogroms is less than 1 thousand people. (0,014% percent of Russian Jews) and roughly correlates with the victims who were suffered by representatives of other nationalities during the pogroms
              4. +3
                13 January 2013 00: 12
                as well as Germans loved to kill, Spaniards loved, Egyptians Romans, but many who loved to kill Jewish women and children
              5. tolan777
                +4
                13 January 2013 14: 23
                Aaron, next time before you write nonsense, turn on your brain a little, ok? Do not spread the crimes of some Bandera bandits to all Ukrainians! You will like it if I find a photo and the name of a Jew who went to the service of Bandera and began to kill his fellow tribesmen, and on this basis I will name all Jews in a row as you called Ukrainians?
                By the way - the majority of Bandera who killed Jews are not Ukrainians, but Galicians - learn the materiel, it is genetically and mentally actually another nation that was 600 years old under Europe.
            2. Igor Belov
              +7
              12 January 2013 16: 30
              Quote: Karlsonn
              Ukrainian air defense can kill Jews with impunity, and she won’t be for it!

              Yes! A magnificent shot was, almost on the verge of the ability of the S-200! And still hit !!! good
              1. +1
                12 January 2013 16: 35
                Igor Belov
                By the way, the plane was Russian and 2 / 3 dead including the crew of the Russians, so continue to gloat.
                1. Igor Belov
                  0
                  12 January 2013 16: 41
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  2/3 of the dead including the crew of the Russians,

                  It’s good that there were no Russians!
                  1. Eric
                    0
                    12 January 2013 22: 37
                    Well done Igor! Great answer! laughing
                  2. tolan777
                    +2
                    13 January 2013 14: 25
                    Igor, I’m grieving you - the Russians in flight 1812, shot down by Ukrainian air defense over the Black Sea, were. The crew, and several passengers.
                2. 0
                  12 January 2013 16: 56
                  Aaron Zawi

                  Where are you from, if not secret?
                  1. +2
                    12 January 2013 18: 43
                    Karlsonn
                    Astrakhan-Volgograd.
                    1. +1
                      12 January 2013 20: 54
                      Aaron Zawi

                      You don’t get me wrong, I’m writing without any where? From Germany?
                      1. +1
                        12 January 2013 21: 35
                        Karlsonn
                        I am 21 year in Israel.
                      2. +4
                        12 January 2013 22: 34
                        Aaron Zawi

                        what am I asking - how did you get the German flag?
                        I'm interested because - I dream, getting hold of myself - is a red flag, not a Petlyura flag.

                        and excuse me for being indiscreet winked , what for you German symbolism?
                      3. +5
                        12 January 2013 22: 50
                        Quote: Karlsonn
                        what am I asking - how did you get the German flag?


                        The arrow on the flag IL-Israel, DE- Germany. So they have one flag for two
                      4. -1
                        17 January 2013 15: 58
                        This means that he enters the site here through a proxy server German .. that's all))
                3. +4
                  13 January 2013 00: 14
                  you accidentally sunk the iceberg "Titanic" do not accuse the genocide of the Jewish people ????
                4. 0
                  13 January 2013 21: 54
                  Russians are certainly very sorry, but here you are again cunning - there were about 50 people on board Israeli citizens
              2. +3
                12 January 2013 16: 55
                Igor Belov

                Quote: Igor Belov
                Yes! Great shot was


                nothing good, even Ukrainian pilots managed to plant a training rocket in a residential building in the city of Brovary.
                1. +2
                  12 January 2013 22: 31
                  Karlsonn,
                  Well, not Pvošniki. and the usual earth-to-earth rocket. the missile was with an expired resource and there were still 3000 such missiles in the warehouse. I drank with ensigns when they returned from the training ground.
            3. Yarbay
              +5
              12 January 2013 16: 31
              Quote: Karlsonn
              unlike all terrorist organizations, Ukrainian air defense can kill Jews with impunity and it won’t be for it!

              Dear friend, I am for no one to kill anyone with impunity !!
              1. +1
                12 January 2013 16: 56
                Yarbay

                totally agree drinks
            4. The cat
              +2
              12 January 2013 17: 46
              Quote: Karlsonn
              unlike all terrorist organizations, Ukrainian air defense can kill Jews with impunity and it won’t be for it!


              "" Ne traba z tsyo roby tragedy of the suite scale "L. Kuchma
              Then I just precipitated from such words.
              1. Misantrop
                +4
                12 January 2013 17: 58
                Quote: Elgato
                "" Ne traba z tsyo roby tragedy of the suite scale "L. Kuchma
                Then I just precipitated from such words.

                According to rumors, then Kuchma had not yet left the shock. Only an unexpected summit saved him from attending those exercises and personally pressing the start button (as previously planned) wassat
              2. +1
                12 January 2013 18: 20
                The cat

                Quote: Elgato
                Then I just precipitated from such words.


                then all the afigels from our prezik, Ariel Sharon generally stood up to the mast.
                1. -1
                  13 January 2013 00: 17
                  You do not want to declare war on such a phenomenon as death? It’s killing so many Jews !!!
            5. 0
              13 January 2013 21: 48
              It was necessary to hammer a little more, otherwise only one plane ...
          3. Yarbay
            +3
            12 January 2013 16: 29
            Quote: Karish
            Tremble banderlog

            Again Akela on the warpath)))))))))))))) ???
            this militarism can only be defeated by peacefulness in the short term))))
            1. +2
              12 January 2013 16: 38
              Quote: Yarbay
              Again Akela on the warpath)))))))))))))) ???
              this militarism can only be defeated by peacefulness in the short term))))

              Alibek, you are right as always. !!!!!!!!!!!!! hi
            2. 0
              12 January 2013 16: 58
              Yarbay

              Quote: Yarbay
              this militarism can only be defeated by peacefulness in the short term))))


              I propose to strangle him in a friendly embrace wink You catch, I hug - I was taught winked .
              1. Yarbay
                +3
                12 January 2013 17: 13
                Quote: Karlsonn
                I propose to strangle him in a friendly embrace, you catch, I hug - I was taught

                I support))))))))

                Moreover, I think it is necessary to have as much friendliness as possible at the moment when we will catch (so as not to be bothered) and hug more tightly (so as not to suspect intolerance) wink
                1. +1
                  12 January 2013 18: 31
                  Yarbay

                  Quote: Yarbay
                  not to be suspected of intolerance


                  no-no-no, they don’t have time to understand anything wink .
          4. Director
            +1
            13 January 2013 12: 43
            Pincer sting.
          5. 0
            13 January 2013 21: 47
            But why tremble before you then - it will be necessary - we will wash you. You are without the support of the United States a complete zero
        2. +2
          12 January 2013 16: 26
          Karlsonn
          The photo is incomparable! fellow Where from?
          1. Yarbay
            0
            12 January 2013 16: 32
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            The photo is incomparable! Where from?

            Think German ??
          2. +2
            12 January 2013 17: 03
            Aaron Zawi

            I couldn’t pass by, now, as I see it, it’s hitting on the account of Zionist plans for world domination, I immediately show a picture and shout:

            - late shuffle, everything is already gone !!!
            1. +2
              12 January 2013 18: 49
              Karlsonn
              This is yes, as I can imagine the guys from MERETS or Agudat Israel sitting in the same room without massacre, I will immediately believe that the Jews learned to negotiate.
              1. +1
                12 January 2013 20: 56
                Aaron Zawi

                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                so I immediately believe that the Jews learned to negotiate.


                general gesheft - works wonders!
                1. +5
                  12 January 2013 21: 42
                  Karlsonn
                  Not when a Jewish liberal sees an Orthodox Jew with their only common goal. Bang each other.
                  1. +7
                    12 January 2013 22: 42
                    Aaron Zawi

                    EPT, I thought at least you don’t have confusion and reeling. crying
                    trouble with this humanity sad

                    dupe of course, but still:

                    Putin leaves after the visit, from Israel and already climbing the ladder, suddenly stops, turns around and asks:
                    - Tell me, honestly, but who is to blame for all your troubles?
                    1. +3
                      12 January 2013 22: 54
                      Karlsonn
                      Are you kidding me? belay Yes, Jews have even deeper internal conflicts than in other countries. Moreover, I'm talking about the times of the State of Israel. Search for "Shooting Altalena". And the left and the right. Secular and Religious Zionists and Liberals. Ultra-Orthodox and religious Zionists. And everyone is absolutely confident in their righteousness, and they look at the defiled almost as an enemy. Jews do not have "confusion and vacillation." Alas, this is fantastic.
                    2. +3
                      13 January 2013 00: 36
                      Quote: Karlsonn
                      Putin leaves after the visit, from Israel and already climbing the ladder, suddenly stops, turns around and asks:
                      - tell me, only honestly, but who is to blame for all your troubles?

                      Humor appreciated, plus Carloson.
                      Present from me. laughing
                      Carlson flies into Brezhnev’s office.
                      “Who are you, how did you get here?”
                      - I am Carlson, Leonid Ilyich.
                      - Ah! .. I know, I know. And where is your friend and associate, Comrade Engelson?
        3. Oleg Rosskiyy
          0
          12 January 2013 21: 35

          In the last photo, "PROFESSOR" was much thinner and kinder.
      2. Oleg Rosskiyy
        +1
        12 January 2013 21: 32
        Quote: Karish
        Only the threat of the USSR to directly intervene in the war and use nuclear weapons did not allow Israel to seize Cairo and Damascus

        Well, the circle of unreliable, having nuclear weapons, was determined, and something about screaming about Iran.
      3. 0
        13 January 2013 00: 10
        why fairy tales? everyone knows why you won in 73 and that the percentage of the defeat was exactly for you, I mean the number of deaths as a percentage of the population, and in tank battles the face was thoroughly filled.
        1. +2
          13 January 2013 08: 03
          Quote: tomket
          why fairy tales? everyone knows why you won in 73 and that the percentage of the defeat was exactly for you, I mean the number of deaths as a percentage of the population, and in tank battles the face was thoroughly filled.

          Well, about the percentage of the population, the argument is just ridiculous, because defeat the Arab environment (more than 150 million Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq - also participating in that war) with equal or less losses (in relation to the population) of 4's millionth Israel (on 1973 g) - this is just nonsense Another, simpler question, how did all these countries fail to defeat Israel?
          As for, given in the face in tank battles - the same does not correspond to reality. only Syrian and Egyptian tanks captured by Israel (in working order) were more than 800-t. (destroyed several hundred. On the basis of captured tanks, Israel (after 1973) formed the 2 tank brigades, and on the converted chassis, the t-55 still uses several hundred heavy infantry fighting vehicles (Puma, Akhzarit, Namer).
          1. Director
            +2
            13 January 2013 12: 52
            atalef, Israel Syrian and Egyptian tanks (in working condition) were more than 800 tons.
            Before you, your "fellow countryman" talked about 400, you already agree somehow, otherwise you look more smart-ass smart-ass.
            1. 0
              13 January 2013 23: 20
              Director
              I talked about the 1982 year. In 1956, 1967 and 1973, the trophies were significantly larger.
          2. -1
            13 January 2013 13: 00
            On the basis of T55 only Ahzarit. Puma at the base of the Centurion, as I recall, Namer - Merkava.
          3. +1
            13 January 2013 13: 25
            there is such a thing as a strategic initiative, you do not recognize the loss of your Centurions, shot ruts and other amh ???? they all returned to the parks as one, well, only on one did the Arabians scratch the bayonet a little bit with paint, so do you think? and why is the argument funny with the population? for you, the losses were more sensitive, or am I wrong?
            1. +1
              13 January 2013 13: 40
              810 tanks and armored vehicles, 2569 dead - Israeli casualties in that war, the heaviest at the moment for Israel, with the exception of the War of Independence - but that is a separate story.
              1775 tanks and armored vehicles and 18 dead, with 500 wounded - enemy losses.
  8. Karish
    -5
    12 January 2013 13: 38
    The United States and Israel, instead of a just peace in the Middle East, began to conduct separate deals, directly opposing them to a universal settlement of the Arab-Israeli conflict

    Well, yes, in your general settlement, how is this? Besides, what did the Arabs (and the USSR with them) destroy Israel and did not think about
    In 1980, the second blow was dealt to the Arab world - the war between Iran and Iraq began

    Forget it, the ARABIC WORLD never had this concept and the events in Syria only confirm this. In words, they are brothers, but in reality they only think how to blow a stronger friend laughing
    .
    Israel threw its “trump card” - launched an air strike to eliminate the Syrian missile “Umbrella” in the Bekaa Valley

    It’s just presented as if it struck from the rear laughing
    I must admit that the Israelis achieved a lot with this operation, and above all, in the moral and psychological aspect

    Just tell me - we’ve stolen everything and air defense, including laughing
    Flying on over the SAM-6 air defense positions, they conducted live television broadcasts of the image at the command post. Receiving such visual information, the Israeli command made unmistakable decisions to launch missile strikes.

    1982 for a minute (who did not pay attention) Amerov in those years did not have such equipment laughing
    The Soviet Air Force and Air Defense Center, as well as at other command and control centers, in the combat formations of the Syrian troops and in firing positions in Lebanon, along with the Syrians, our Soviet people worked tirelessly and selflessly. With airmen - officers under the leadership of generals V. Sokolov and N. Glagolev. In the case of tablet players, consoles, and control systems of the air defense missile system, advisers are led by General K. Babenko.

    Only someone will show me that the American advisers fought on the side of Israel as well. At tablets, in positions led by some American general laughing
    Admittedly, the Israelis managed to capture and maintain superiority in the air and over the battlefield.

    Who would doubt that laughing
    1. +2
      12 January 2013 17: 54
      Quote: Karish
      1982 for a minute (who did not pay attention) Amerov in those years did not have such equipment laughing

      But! For interest, look at the magazines "Foreign Military Review" for 1981-83, and see what and who had it. Well, or google, although the information on the internet is not always with the sign that is inherent in reality.
  9. 0
    12 January 2013 14: 12
    Air Force

    In the first four days of the June war in 1982, the Syrian BBC launched 958 sorties, mostly fighter jets. Fighter-bombers completed 42 sorties, Su-22M completed 10 sorties, and MiG-23BN completed 32 sorties. Of these, the 17th air brigade - 18 sorties, and the 34th fighter-bomber air brigade - 14 sorties.
    According to the Syrian side, the Syrian Air Force fighters destroyed 6 Israeli Air Force aircraft (including at least five F-12 and six F-24), as well as one UAV, in air battles from June 15 to 16. In fact, Syrian aircraft during these few days shot down only one UAV (June 6).
    The losses of the Syrian Air Force amounted to 73 aircraft. Of them:
    47 fighters:
    - MiG-23MS - four.
    - MiG-23MF - six.
    - MiG-21bis - twenty six.
    - MiG-21MF - eleven.
    21 fighter-bomber:
    - MiG-23BN - fourteen. (17th air brigade - 10 aircraft, 34th fighter-bomber air brigade - 4 aircraft).
    - Su-22M - seven.
    5 helicopters:
    - SA.342 Gazelle - four (two of them captured by the Israelis).
    - Mi-8 - one.
    Killed 27 pilots, and another 18 were injured, one was captured.
    Two more MiG-23BNs were lost in the following days.
    Syrian anti-tank helicopters Gazelle SA.342 flew more than 150 combat sorties to attacks, their losses amounted to 2 helicopters shot down (both crews were killed), 2 others were damaged, made forced landings and were captured, one of them was repaired and used by the Israelis. Another helicopter was badly damaged, but managed to return to the airfield. As a result of the Gazelle attacks, they claim to defeat 95 targets, including 71 tanks, five air defense systems, three trucks, two artillery pieces, nine M-151 jeeps and five tankers. The Israelis confirmed the loss of seven of their tanks from the attacks of the Syrian SA.342 from the ATGM "Hot" and announced the destruction of 13 Gazelle. In a number of publications (M. Kalashnikov "Battle for Heaven", link - M. Nikolsky, "Lebanon on fire" in the journal "Technics and Armament" No. 10 1999) erroneously asserted the participation of Soviet Mi-24 attack helicopters in battles. They did not participate in battles.

    Israeli Air Force aircraft performed 6 sorties in the period from June 12-3121, lost 1 aircraft - A-4 Skyhawk attack aircraft (June 6) and 5 helicopters: 3 helicopters - Anafa (Bell-212, UH-1N Iroquois) ) - (June 6, 5 crew members were killed), “Cobra” - (June 11) and “Defender” - (June 11). 2 F-15 aircraft were damaged (June 9 and 10).
    In aerial battles, Israeli pilots claim 85 Syrian aircraft shot down by 44 F-16 pilots, while F-15 pilots claim 40 victories. One Syrian plane was shot down by the Phantom's crew. Most of the Syrian aircraft were of the MiG-21 and MiG-23 types, but there were several Su-22s. Most of the victories were won with melee missiles. Only 6 victories were won by onboard cannons.
    Israeli attack helicopters AH-1 "Cobra" and MD.500 "Defender" during the conflict made several hundred sorties. In attacks 137 ATGM TOUs were launched. These missiles hit 29 tanks, 56 armored vehicles, 4 radar positions, one Syrian Gazelle helicopter and several other other targets. According to Israeli data, only four Israeli helicopters were shot down, indicating that two were shot down by friendly fire from the ground.
    1. phantom359
      +1
      12 January 2013 14: 23
      igor67Please provide a source of information. Although, judging by the numbers, I guess about him.
      1. +3
        12 January 2013 14: 25
        phantom359,
        http://alerozin.narod.ru/Syria81.htm
      2. +3
        12 January 2013 15: 02
        http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/lebanon-losses.htm

        Here is a detailed analysis, with links and other things.
    2. +2
      13 January 2013 00: 21
      and how, we admitted the loss of the MiG 25 and you do not claim them? Darth Vader shot down ????
  10. -3
    12 January 2013 14: 13
    4 Israeli aircraft were shot down (three F-16 and one F-15)

    thirty f-16 and 10 f-15.

    On April 30, America demanded that Syria withdraw its air defense systems from Israel.

    negative

    continuously flying over the northern regions of Palestine

    Mandated or does he mean the Jinin area?

    These installations operated from the peaks of the Garmon mountain region, which dominates the positions of the Syrian air defense forces.

    Even on the maps of the General Staff of the USSR there is no such mountain.

    The Israelis lost 10 aircraft. In general, from 6 to 11 on June, the Syrian Air Force shot down 23 in air battles and lost 47 aircraft.

    Why only 10, not 100? After all, there is no confirmation of even one shot down in aerial combat. Yashkin was modest.

    In the Namahane magazine

    There is no magazine with this name in nature. Maybe he meant Bamahane.

    Soon, other military units arrived: a technical regiment, it was located in Zelenaya Guta: an electronic warfare helicopter squadron, ground-based electronic warfare units; in early February - the long-range anti-aircraft regiment under the command of Colonel I.I. Teterev.

    The commander of one of the Mi-8 of this squadron lived with me at the same entrance in a military town. He told a lot of things.

    four Israeli and two French deck Super-FB (?). In the air battles on the MiG-23MLD, the Syrians shot down four Israeli aircraft (three F-15 and one F-4), without losing a single one.

    What kind of terrible and mysterious beast is this Israeli deck Super-Fmb and where again the wreckage of the shot down three F-15 disappeared?
    1. phantom359
      +5
      12 January 2013 14: 19
      Professor, The author confused with Super Etandar. And the wreckage is there, where there are dozens of MiGs shot down by Jews.) Especially the storyteller Epstein. How much did he write to himself there - 29? Better to tell how he threw his leaders in battle.
      1. -4
        12 January 2013 14: 32
        The author confused a lot. Israel did not have Super Etandar lol

        And the wreckage is there, where there are dozens of MiGs shot down by Jews.

        Well, at least one f-15 and f-16? Really no? wink
        1. phantom359
          0
          12 January 2013 15: 17
          Professor, The author indicated that they are French. You yourself quoted and there this moment is noted.
          1. -4
            12 January 2013 15: 20
            four Israeli (something wink ) and two French deck Super-Fmb
            We attribute it to a typo or not to the exact wording, but here is where the documents of the downed f-15 and f-16 are? request
        2. Oleg Rosskiyy
          +3
          12 January 2013 21: 41
          Quote: professor
          Well, at least one f-15 and f-16? Really no?

          You have few minerals in your country, every carnation counts, that’s the answer to your question.
        3. +2
          13 January 2013 00: 25
          You give us a photo of the MiG-25 you shot down, otherwise we'll call you liars))))
    2. Yarbay
      +4
      12 January 2013 16: 50
      Quote: professor
      and where did the fragments of the downed three F-15s go again?

      You professor hid them in the Negev desert in a special repository of aircraft shot down by Arabs)))))))))))))))))
      And apparently only a few people know the coordinates)))))))))))
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        1. Yarbay
          -1
          13 January 2013 08: 34
          Quote: professor
          neither Syrians nor advisers could present material evidence

          It seems my joke is taken too seriously))))))))))))
          1. +2
            13 January 2013 08: 46
            Quote: Yarbay
            It seems my joke is taken too seriously))))))))

            Good morning, Alibek !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            The professor takes things too seriously, who, who, and he knows that,
            Quote: Yarbay
            You professor hid them in the Negev desert in a special repository of aircraft shot down by Arabs)))))))))))))))))
            And apparently only a few people know the coordinates)))))))))))

            If in Israel several people know ---- they know everything. laughing
            1. Yarbay
              -1
              13 January 2013 13: 01
              Quote: atalef
              The professor takes things too seriously, who, who, and he knows that,
              I won’t argue here !!!)))
    3. +1
      13 January 2013 00: 24
      By the way, it is likely that the wreckage was destroyed by your special forces or bombardment of the crash site, or evacuated. Considering the novelty of technology, and having in the future examples of American zeal for the remains of their aircraft, it is not surprising that no one found anything.
      1. Cavas
        0
        13 January 2013 00: 48
        Quote: tomket
        By the way, it is likely that the wreckage was destroyed by your special forces or bombardment of the crash site, or evacuated. Considering the novelty of technology, and having in the future examples of American zeal for the remains of their aircraft, it is not surprising that no one found anything.

        There was such a thing, they even boasted once that eleven Soviet advisers had died!
        And you can not search the network, there are no such photos. There are only two known cases with KFIR and Phantom, which fell directly into the location of the Arabs.
      2. -3
        13 January 2013 11: 41
        Simplify the task. Give at least the flight numbers or the number of at least one of the 70 downed Israeli aircraft? GRU and could not find out? wink
  11. +2
    12 January 2013 15: 00
    TRIUMPH S-200

    Memoirs of the commander 220zrp lieutenant colonel I. Teterev

    In June 1982 Israel launched powerful missile and bomb attacks on Lebanon and Syria. The Syrians, who did not expect an attack, did not even have time to really figure out what was happening, when almost the entire air defense system was destroyed. The strategically important Golan Heights were occupied by the Israelis. Everything changed in January 1983, when the USSR sent three S-200 regiments and 6 thousand of its military men to Syria. After the first inclusion of S-200 locators, the raids on Syria stopped. So, years later, our press wrote with inaccuracies. 20 years have passed since then. As an eyewitness and participant in those events, being since June 1983. the commander of the 220 zrp, I’ll tell you about my personal observations and conclusions.


    My webpage
    1. -2
      12 January 2013 15: 13
      It is worth noting that this is read more clearly and clearly than the opus of Yashkin.
      1. +3
        12 January 2013 15: 22
        Quote: Pimply
        It is worth noting that this is read clearer and more understandable opus Yashkina


        Comments on the forum Balansir.ru to this article Yashkina fully confirm this
        I just want to inform you that at the beginning of January 1983. a long-range anti-aircraft missile regiment arrived in Syria with Soviet military personnel not under the command of Colonel Bas, as Yashkin writes, but under the command of Colonel Pokrovsky SB, who stayed (not for long), and from the very beginning, from Tula, through loading in Nikolaev to ships, across the sea, the port of Tartus. The march of the entire regiment arrived in Homs, where he personally supervised the unloading, deployment of 231 regiments and the interruption of combat duty. I, the author of these lines, went all the way with my regiment core, Colonel S. B. Pokrovsky. I served with him further. What does Colonel Bas have to do with it? A 220 Regiment, which was concentrated in the Dumeirah region (40 km. West of Damascus) was under the command of Colonel I.I. Teterev.


        Unusual were our Syrian regiments and the technical division, which was located on the outskirts of the country's capital. Our 231 regiment is located inside the territory protected by the Commando battalion (presidential guard), not far from the ancient city of Homs (mentioned in the biblical scriptures), behind several rows of barbed wire barriers and special equipment designed to prevent the possibility of penetrating into the object and back. At distant approaches, we are guarded by Syrian air defense systems. In the center, our complex consists of two S-200V air defense divisions, with launchers and airborne detection devices; Radar and IEE, other objects. The Osa-AK mobile division is a complex that is part of the air defense of the ground forces. From the "hunters" a motorized rifle company that went to the shelf. Platoon of anti-aircraft gunners armed with "Strela 3M" installations. Completes the "fire component" anti-aircraft artillery battery, equipped with installations "ZU-23." Military equipment was located in a separate area
        .
        My webpage
    2. -5
      12 January 2013 15: 15
      Ascetic, you at least filter the laid out material. It turns out the Americans were decked f-xnumx wink : 2 US troops destroyed by the Syrian air defense units deployed in the Bekaa Valley at low altitudes above Lebanese territory carrier-based fighter, captured by an American pilot (the second died during the bailout). The personnel of the repair and technical company (commander Major V. Geraskin), collecting the wreckage of a downed aircraft F-16, took them by car from a mountainous region from Lebanon and loaded them into a transport plane for shipment to the USSR.
      1. -4
        12 January 2013 15: 22
        In general, the memoirs of Soviet military advisers have many funny moments. The first F16 in a combat situation was officially lost in Bosnia, if my memory serves me right. And before that there was a loss under unclear circumstances in the Pakistani Air Force
        1. +6
          12 January 2013 15: 53
          Pimply,

          two hundred in Syria shot down an American (AWACS) E-2C "Hawkeye" at a distance of 190 km. As for the rest, they were a serious deterrent, which Lieutenant Colonel Sergey Ivanovich Kachko also writes in his memoirs.

          We have repeatedly, with our own eyes, observed an expressive picture in the hot Syrian sky. Especially often this happened at the very beginning of our presence. Even on approaching the border of the Republic of Syria from Israel, from the Bekaa Valley, pairs of approaching aircraft “painted” white lines in the sky with inversions. They ended with loops, clearly demonstrating a 360-degree turn of the aircraft. This always happened as soon as our launchers turned missiles toward approaching targets. It became clear to everyone that it was dangerous to poke into Syrian territory! RUSSIAN STAND! So it turns out that the excellent and well-coordinated work of the air defense forces (target detection, capture and tracking, readiness for its immediate destruction) leads to the prevention of hostilities. Thus depriving themselves of participating in the won. In Syria, the fact of our presence on this earth, we became peacekeepers! And thank God.
          1. Cavas
            +8
            12 January 2013 18: 00
            In the sight of the Egyptian Mig-21 - F-16 wink
            1. Cavas
              +9
              12 January 2013 18: 04
              F-14 (apparently going on an emergency landing) in the sight of the Ganship of the Syrian Mig-23. wink
              1. Cavas
                +15
                12 January 2013 18: 08
                For you "friends" specially! wink
                Confirmation of a downed F-15. The photo is of poor quality, but you can distinguish the silhouette of the F-15 in it. laughing
                I even know what "friends" will answer !! wassat
                1. +5
                  12 January 2013 18: 34
                  Cavas

                  Five points! that’s them! wet tablecloth and ahem winked good laughing
                  1. Cavas
                    +5
                    12 January 2013 18: 39
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    Five points! that’s them! wet tablecloth and ahem

                    Yes, the word was not going to interfere, but they got their fantasies! hi
                    And trolling on black!
                    1. OSTAP BENDER
                      +4
                      12 January 2013 18: 42
                      Quote: Cavas
                      And trolling on black!

                      They have such a job! lol
                      1. Cavas
                        +6
                        12 January 2013 18: 54
                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        They have such a job!


                        Then they are not Jews!

                        A Jew cannot work on Saturday.
                        - The Muslim - on Friday. But the Russians went the farthest ...
                        wassat
                      2. -1
                        12 January 2013 19: 13
                        And who can’t work on Monday? We’ll look ...
                      3. +4
                        12 January 2013 19: 38
                        Quote: knn54
                        And who can’t work on Monday? We’ll look ...

                        This Monday, no one can work, otherwise they’ll work out after the Old New Year .... drinks wassat
                      4. +2
                        12 January 2013 22: 44
                        knn54

                        Quote: knn54

                        And who can’t work on Monday?


                        TO ME!!!
                2. -1
                  12 January 2013 18: 41
                  Cavas
                  And what is the confirmation that this is a downed Israeli F-15, and not an American crashed into the Nevada desert?
                  1. Cavas
                    +8
                    12 January 2013 18: 55
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    And what is the confirmation that this is a downed Israeli F-15, and not an American crashed into the Nevada desert?


                    Yeah, taste the sand --- it should be different!))) wassat
                    1. +3
                      12 January 2013 19: 48
                      Cavas
                      An amazingly informative answer, well, you earned a couple more pluses, so what? And what did you say on the case? Try to appear on GSPO with such an answer or on "Courage", the yellow card is provided, but here "people hawala" and in general on this site you do not need knowledge or just try to reason sensibly. No h here
                      it is enough to shout, splattering drool, cursing "ovs and Jews" and praising themselves loved ones and that's enough.
                      1. Vito
                        +7
                        12 January 2013 20: 12
                        I have long been watching passions flaring up here!
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        it is enough to scream, splashing drool, cursing "the Jews and the Jews" and praising themselves

                        Not you are wrong dear! You are exaggerating this topic!
                        It’s just that you initially took a position, such as the IDF is EVERYTHING, and the rest went out for a walk like that.
                        Of course, I understand you, like any patriot of your COUNTRY, you probably cannot do otherwise!
                        BUT MAY NOT SO SO DISTINCTIVE?
                      2. -1
                        12 January 2013 20: 41
                        Vito in any case. But in the 1982 year, the IDF won a clear victory and with relatively small losses, unlike the 1973 year when the victory had to be pulled out with your teeth and a very expensive price paid. Then I really think that specifically in the 1982 year, Soviet advisers worked extremely unsuccessfully, unlike their counterparts in Egypt in the 1969-71gg.
                      3. Cavas
                        +5
                        12 January 2013 20: 45
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        But in 1982, the IDF won a clear victory.

                        Everything, you can fall!

                        Serious Western experts have repeatedly questioned Israeli data. Thus, President of the Washington Center for International Security J. Chorba, visiting Israel on behalf of the American government immediately after the end of hostilities in Lebanon, admitted that he was refused to provide any specific information about the use of "new types of American weapons" in hostilities. The timid attempts of the Soviet authorities through the TASS agency to refute the Israeli version of the fighting in Lebanon and "save the face" of the domestic aircraft industry turned out to be belated and inept. The TASS statement of August 15, 1982 that "during the hostilities over the Bekaa Valley, the Syrian armed forces destroyed about 70 Israeli aircraft, including the latest types of aircraft," remained practically unnoticed either abroad or in the USSR. The results of this propaganda defeat almost immediately affected the export of the MiG-23. So, in the summer of 1982, negotiations were underway to supply a batch of these fighters to Peru, but after the battles in the Middle East, this country's interest in acquiring MiGs clearly weakened, and the deal did not take place. Attempts to supply MiGs to Argentina, whose Air Force suffered huge losses during the Falklands War, as well as Finland, which had previously focused on the purchase of aircraft from the USSR, also ended unsuccessfully.
                        Believe it yours? laughing
                        Assessing the MiG-23, one "major Israeli military leader" who wished to remain incognito, in an interview with Flight International said: "My opinion ... is this: Soviet aircraft are very good, judging by what we know about their capabilities and what we saw on practice. However, Syrian pilots often acted not when it was necessary, and in the wrong place ... "
                        Pure victory, you say, well ... well? laughing
                        In general, the Syrian Air Force fighters during active operations from June 6 to 12, 1982 destroyed 42 Israeli aircraft in air battles (including at least five F-15A and six F-16A), as well as one UAV, having lost with four MiG-23MS, six MiG-23MF, 26 MiG-21bis and 11 MiG-21MF.
                      4. -5
                        12 January 2013 21: 55
                        Cavas
                        This is exactly a pure victory. The Israelites never hid their losses. Both in the tragic 1973 and in the victorious 1982. Go with your tales to serious forums such as "Airbase" and you will be lucky to know at least something.
                      5. Cavas
                        +8
                        12 January 2013 21: 59
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        .The Israelites never concealed their losses.


                        All guys, after such phrases you just need to relax, because I can’t laugh anymore!
                        I think that you are no more than 14 years old and Israeli propaganda has traveled a lot along yours .... I don’t even know what to call it, brains or something! wassat
                        Go count the captured tanks, what if you were mistaken !? wassat
                      6. +1
                        12 January 2013 23: 04
                        Cavas
                        Well, you definitely can't think. hi Although try it once, can you not 3.14 make it, but prove at least once when the name of the deceased soldier was hidden in Israel? Although you could never say anything serious, so continue to entertain the same intellectuals as you, you will still earn a plus.
                      7. Cavas
                        +1
                        12 January 2013 23: 15
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Well, you definitely can't think.

                        I didn’t expect praise from you, for sure, adekvasha! laughing
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Although try it once, can you not 3.14detit, but prove at least once when the name of the deceased soldier was hidden in Israel?

                        Can you dance another 7-40? laughing
                        You will manipulate your mother when you want Sneakers, if you can, of course! laughing

                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        so keep entertaining the same intellectuals as you, you’ll earn another plus.

                        It’s clear, boy, go home there is a herring, otherwise you will miss dinner! wassat
                      8. 0
                        13 January 2013 01: 08
                        Cavas
                        That is, where minimal knowledge is needed for an answer, we see, as always, an empty chatter and puffing out of cheeks. Nothing new.
                      9. Cavas
                        +1
                        13 January 2013 01: 37
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        That is, where minimal knowledge is needed for an answer, we see, as always, an empty chatter and puffing out of cheeks. Nothing new.

                        Get your girlfriend in this way, I’m just fie and grind to your opinion! laughing
                      10. phantom359
                        +3
                        14 January 2013 00: 14
                        Aron Zaavi, Have you heard enough of it from your political officer? Oh, they have a different name for you - educators. You are urging everyone to turn their brains on, and you are repeating the words of your spiritual mentor. Tire a little with your pioneering conviction. At 82, dear, the stalemate is a combat draw, as it is unpleasant for you to realize. The IDF and the invincible hel-haavir did not achieve their goals. Lebanon, as it was divided into spheres of influence, remained and Israel’s losses were very sensitive, compared to the year 73, it was not about the survival of the state, expansion was pure water, therefore they didn’t take much risk, respectively, and there were less losses, and allies from The US advised to limit what was achieved. But you, of course, will not be told this in their historical homeland.)
                      11. -3
                        14 January 2013 02: 22
                        Israel did not set a goal to seize Lebanon, dear, if you are not in the know. There were two tasks

                        1) To inflict a serious blow on the PLO, preferably - sweep the organization out of Lebanon

                        2) Create a buffer zone in the south, to prevent shelling of northern cities of Israel, the penetration of terrorists, and to eliminate the possibility for the Syrians to attack Israel bypassing the Golan.

                        The tasks were completed.

                        You can also talk mediocre about the Vietnam War, not knowing, for example, the goals and objectives of the United States in that war.
                      12. phantom359
                        +2
                        14 January 2013 23: 56
                        Pimply, Well, so far to me. such an intelligent and advanced connoisseur of military history. The PLOs from Lebanon were not swept out, they started talking about the buffer zone after the end of hostilities in order to justify their puncture. Well, about the Vietnam War - the puppet was eliminated, the Americans were filled with their faces, so that, in any situation, the goals and objectives were not fulfilled. And the Syrians alone were not going to attack Israel, either in the forehead or bypass, as they understood that they would receive on the face what weapons they give, even Martian, to win, you still need a desire to fight.
                      13. -1
                        15 January 2013 01: 24
                        Didn’t you die? Well, apparently not, apparently moved to Tunisia, and a sharp weakening of positions - they did not sweat it out.

                        And in the USA - 47 people were lost as a result of the enemy’s actions, and 434 people are non-combat losses (they died in traffic accidents, in incidents with weapons, died from illnesses, committed suicide). Against 10 million on the opposite side.

                        And this despite the fact that the United States set as its main goal the preservation of parity and the preservation of the former border, without capturing North Vietnam, and the Viet Cong - the capture of the South. The United States lost the political war, because it put on the South Vietnamese, who sabotaged negotiations with the opposite side. After which the United States simply stupidly left Vietnam. This is called losing face. But do not get in the face.
                      14. phantom359
                        +3
                        15 January 2013 23: 49
                        Pimply, Well, it depends on which side you look at. In Afghanistan, 14,5 from our side, more than a million on the contrary, and all American researchers are yelling about a lost war.) As for Vietnam, it seems that they are writing under dictation. Only victorious reports and no punctures. if there were, anyone was to blame, but not the command, led by Westmoreland. The task was to preserve the loyal regime, they did not fulfill it, given the fact that the presidents of the RV changed like gloves and did not enjoy popularity among the population, with the exception of the highlanders, who were stupidly, like savages, bought for trinkets, such as chewing gum, soap (they had no idea about him did not have) and toothpaste. Well, the correction of losses in the direction of reduction, respectively. Read "through the mouth of the Americans", interviews are taken only by American journalists. This is whatever you say about propaganda.) Well, the PLO - moving to Tunisia did not affect the activities of the militants, given that after Sabra and Shatila they became very popular among the local population.
                      15. 0
                        17 January 2013 16: 28
                        The USSR in Afghanistan, according to various sources, lost from 13 to 15 thousand people, and more than a million Afghans were killed. That's interesting, is it a victory or not?
                      16. 0
                        13 January 2013 00: 46
                        Quote: Cavas
                        In general, the Syrian Air Force fighters during active operations from 6 to 12 on June 1982 destroyed Israeli aircraft in 42 air battles (including at least five F-15A and six F-16A),

                        I would like information about which, except for the above listed 12 aircraft, were destroyed (including UAVs) because it seems 30 is still left, but the types are not listed, and photos are not in your comments. All the same, 30 is not small.
                      17. Cavas
                        +3
                        13 January 2013 01: 40
                        Quote: atalef
                        I would like information about which, except for the above listed 12 aircraft, were destroyed (including UAVs) because it seems 30 is still left, but the types are not listed, and photos are not in your comments. All the same, 30 is not small.

                        One more!
                        Then collect all of Israel so that I read the lecture once! laughing
                        Gather a call and Uncle Izyu, do not forget, otherwise you won’t come as always, and then he will ask again! wassat
                      18. +2
                        13 January 2013 08: 16
                        Quote: Cavas
                        Another

                        Well, do not want to answer, do not. It’s just that I thought that reaffirming something (all the more with numbers) we rely on some real information, and not on our own desires.
                        In general, as I understand it, here no one owes anything to each other and trust in the opponent is based solely on the basis of reliable and verified information that he provides.
                        I just thought that I would get the answer to the question, but if instead of the answer there is only

                        Quote: Cavas
                        Gather a call and Uncle Izyu, do not forget, otherwise you won’t come as always, and then he will ask again!

                        This, of course, is your right. The topic has simply slipped to the level of a market talk. It's a pity Regards, Alexander.
                      19. Vito
                        +5
                        12 January 2013 20: 58
                        Aron Zawi (1). Hello again! hi
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        victory had to be pulled out with teeth and a very expensive price paid.

                        And I think that nobody is more expensive than the USSR in 1941-45m and never PAYED.
                        All states have ups and downs!
                      20. +3
                        12 January 2013 23: 08
                        The feat of Soviet soldiers is supranational. The victory over Nazism is higher than the victory of any state in any private war.
                      21. Cavas
                        +3
                        12 January 2013 20: 53
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Terrific informational response, well, you earned a couple more pluses and what?

                        Do you ever think what you say or say what you think?
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Try to appear on GSPO with such an answer or on "Courage", the yellow card is provided, but here "people hawala" and in general on this site you do not need knowledge or just try to reason sensibly.

                        You threatened me with the center of the Caucasus, now now I have to light up again somewhere !?
                        Question, threats is your credo? laughing

                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        it is enough to shout spraying drooling cursing "the Jews and the Jews"

                        And you do not scream, why scream! laughing

                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        praising our loved ones and that’s enough.

                        What are you doing here with success!
                        But lately, it’s somehow unsuccessful! wassat
                      22. Igor Belov
                        0
                        12 January 2013 21: 13
                        Quote: Cavas
                        But lately, it’s somehow unsuccessful!

                        So "people no longer hawala", as Aaron Zaavi used to say to the unforgettable memory. feel
                      23. Igor Belov
                        +7
                        12 January 2013 21: 07
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        but here "people hawala" and in general on this site you do not need knowledge or just try to reason sensibly.

                        Apparently, Aron, you consider yourself a very knowledgeable interlocutor and the level of this site is much lower than your ambitions. So let me ask you, "What the hell are you doing here?" What do you want here? Go to the GSPO and the "Courage" and stay there! Or have you already been punched in there by ... the fifth point? Or does the Chutzpah make itself felt? AND? We don't need to prove anything about Israeli pilots with a whole bunch of fakes in their hands, they suck! And your IDF as a whole is not an army! He only succeeds in clashes with poorly trained and unquipped Arabs who have been crushing your vaunted self-defense forces for decades. To whom are you trying to prove? Us? So it's in vain! We are not fooled by all this Jewish crap! Maybe you want to intimidate us, make us tremble at the sight of an Israeli soldier? So, if I were you, I would not count on it - they drove not such nosed teals! You shouldn’t do this, stop shaming, the whole site makes fun of you and your compatriots, they hold you for local clowns, calling you "site devils", and driving you out of boredom ...
                        I wonder if you have the honor ???
                      24. Cavas
                        +3
                        12 January 2013 21: 12
                        Quote: Igor Belov
                        the whole site makes fun of you and your compatriots, they keep the local clowns, calling you "site devils", and driving you out of boredom ...

                        Well, why did you spoil all the fun? laughing

                      25. +5
                        12 January 2013 21: 22
                        Quote: Cavas
                        Well, why did you spoil all the fun? laughing

                        Seryozha! But this is actually not funny sad Yakov Dzhugashvili turned over a hundred times in the grave after the corporal was exchanged for 1000 terrorists. One hit with a real rocket and not with a water pipe with dynamite which we suppress fish in and this country will again go into formation in gas chambers request
                      26. Igor Belov
                        0
                        12 January 2013 21: 44
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        and this country will again go in formation into gas chambers
                      27. +3
                        12 January 2013 21: 56
                        Quote: Igor Belov

                        Igor Belov

                        In no case do I want to offend people who fought for the freedom of their countries, but I have never heard of the Jewish underground or partisan detachment, but the whole world knows about how Jews in columns entered gas chambers under mournful prayer
                      28. Igor Belov
                        +3
                        12 January 2013 22: 12
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        but I’ve never heard of a Jewish underground or partisan detachment

                        And about the Jewish SS battalion, you also probably have not heard! And little is known about the Jews who financed Hitler, as well as about the Jewish police units in the ghetto territories.
                        With these tales about the inhuman howl of "millions of tortured Jews", the Jewish elite beat off the loot invested in Hitler. Where is it interesting THEY scratched out so many persons of Jewish nationality?
                      29. -4
                        12 January 2013 23: 34
                        Igor Belov
                        About Natsik drew.
                      30. -5
                        12 January 2013 22: 21
                        In no case do I want to offend people who fought for the freedom of their countries, but I have never heard of the Jewish underground or partisan detachment, but the whole world knows about how Jews in columns entered gas chambers under mournful prayer

                        And you would ask, instead of trolling.
                        It's very simple, we type in a search engine "Jewish partisan detachment" or "Jewish underground" and ABOUT MIRACLE - there is something to read. good
                      31. Cavas
                        +6
                        12 January 2013 22: 25
                        Quote: professor
                        It's very simple, we type in a search engine "Jewish partisan detachment" or "Jewish underground" and ABOUT MIRACLE - there is something to read.

                        And you can type "Jews who served Hitler" and ABOUT MIRACLE, there is also something to read! negative
                      32. OSTAP BENDER
                        +3
                        12 January 2013 22: 59
                        Quote: Cavas
                        And you can type "Jews who served Hitler" and ABOUT MIRACLE, there is also something to read!

                        I give a reference! Jews in the SS- wonderful reading I will tell you!
                        http://nvo.ng.ru/history/2002-09-20/5_gitler.html
                      33. -1
                        13 January 2013 00: 26
                        OSTAP BENDER
                        Neo-Nazi nonsense. By the way, the soldiers who had Jewish roots in the Wehrmacht, unlike the SS, really served. These are the so-called "mishlings". Want to read on this topic? Please http://www.waronline.org/analysis/hitler-jews.htm
                      34. OSTAP BENDER
                        +2
                        13 January 2013 00: 58
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Neo-Nazi delirium.

                        I understand you live according to "chutzpah", but the obvious cannot be denied, especially if this investigation was carried out by your compatriot!
                      35. +1
                        12 January 2013 23: 10
                        Cavas
                        Link to the studio.
                      36. Cavas
                        +1
                        12 January 2013 23: 19
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Link to the studio.

                        You alone are not enough, at the top of the boy, learn to read in Russian!
                        If it’s not enough for you, go through the news feed of this site, here you will be surprised! wassat
                      37. 0
                        13 January 2013 12: 07
                        The Amers corrected this mistake. They filmed a feature film, "Challenge", in 2008. It shows the "heroic" Jewish resistance.
                      38. 0
                        12 January 2013 23: 36
                        Ruslan67
                        In 1991, the 42 Iraqi Scud fell on Tel Aviv and nothing, the country did not fall apart.
                      39. +3
                        13 January 2013 00: 25
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        In 1991, the 42 Iraqi Scud fell on Tel Aviv and nothing, the country did not fall apart.

                        I repeat for those who are on merkava fool hi - normal rocket
                      40. -1
                        17 January 2013 16: 36
                        Ruslan, I am not a fan and not a supporter of Israel, but, damn it, you are nonsense. They have been at war since the founding of the State of Israel, while in hostile surroundings. Pay tribute, have the courage to admit someone's stamina and combat skill. The hatred of many ruined. ((
                      41. +3
                        13 January 2013 09: 14
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Yakov Dzhugashvili turned over a hundred times in the grave after the corporal was exchanged for 1000 terrorists

                        Probably yes, but Yakov Dzhugashvili (his eternal memory) is in the grave. And the corporal is alive. And the terrorists — 1000 — more, 1000 — fewer — who counts them. and the soldier is alive and at home.
                      42. Yarbay
                        +1
                        13 January 2013 11: 46
                        Quote: atalef
                        And the terrorists - the 1000th more, the 1000th fewer - who counts them. and the soldier is alive and at home.

                        For me, this is an indicator of the advantage of Israel !!
                        I agree that with such an advantage over the enemy, Israel can afford it!
                        Another thing is that the adoption of such a decision required great personal courage from the head of the country !!
                      43. -2
                        13 January 2013 13: 02
                        Jewish tradition directly obliges to save and redeem their prisoners
                      44. Igor Belov
                        +10
                        12 January 2013 21: 32
                        Quote: Cavas
                        why did you spoil all the fun?

                        I apologize tearfully! crying So they got it already ... They chew, chew snot - the pilots are first-class, the army is just animals, the lions of the middle desert, the Merkava is the best tank of all times and peoples, all kinds of "shields" ... In short, not a country, but a focus of universal wisdom and not bendable strength! Ugh! ... Low-wear flip flops ... recourse
                      45. +7
                        12 January 2013 21: 40
                        Quote: Igor Belov
                        In short, not a country, but the focus of universal wisdom and unbending power! Ugh! ... Little-earstuffs ... recourse

                        But when they break it in, there is a place to go, the wailing wall is called wassat
                      46. Igor Belov
                        +1
                        12 January 2013 21: 55
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        there is a place to go

                        To show them another place, so that they would go there not for 40 years, as in a hike in the Sinai desert, but for 300 years, until they degenerate completely. And then you can cry at the wall for a long time ...
                      47. +2
                        12 January 2013 21: 59
                        Quote: Igor Belov
                        and so 300 years, until it finally degenerates. And then you can cry at the wall for a long time ...

                        Well, you do not confuse me with any Nazi dragging, I had in mind a little different
                      48. -1
                        12 January 2013 23: 25
                        Igor Belov
                        The pilots are good, the army is certainly not animals. The conscript army and the militia type reserve. "Beasts" are professionals after all. "Merkava 3/4" is a very decent car. The country is small, with big problems, but very beautiful, developing and very beloved by me. A real homeland for my children.
                      49. Director
                        0
                        14 January 2013 08: 21
                        Well, find yourself a Jewish site there, and scratch everyone there, you’re climbing over to us.
                      50. 0
                        12 January 2013 22: 11
                        Igor Belov
                        This makes no sense. Yes, this forum is extremely weak (IMHO). What am I doing here? I'm relaxing. IDF Messrs. I’m definitely not intimidating you. For it is difficult to imagine where you personally can meet with him. The opinion of local anti-Semites is of absolute interest to me. And in general, if a flock of stray dogs flies over a person, this does not mean that his honor has suffered. Dogs bark the wind wears.
                        PS By the way, if the Egyptian army, armed and trained by the USSR since 1955 and Syria since 1962, in all the wars with Israel turned out to be "poorly trained and poorly equipped Arabs", then what were tens of thousands of Soviet instructors doing and where did thousands of tanks, aircraft, guns and other weapons donated to these countries?
                      51. Igor Belov
                        0
                        12 January 2013 22: 17
                        Aron Zaavi,
                        Yes! Apparently no honor! request
                      52. -2
                        12 January 2013 23: 15
                        Igor Belov
                        You have no honor? I can not help you. This is personally your problem, although it may be easier for you.
                      53. +3
                        12 January 2013 22: 21
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        PS By the way, if the Egyptian army, armed and trained by the USSR since 1955 and Syria since 1962, in all the wars with Israel turned out to be "poorly trained and poorly equipped Arabs", then what were tens of thousands of Soviet instructors doing and where did thousands of tanks, aircraft, guns and other weapons donated to these countries?

                        Aron! No need wassat If I try to maintain objectivity in relation to ordinary people, this does not mean that I have nothing to say hi The Arabs beat you repeatedly and your state is lively only because the superpowers need it as a lightning rod and a training ground But this time ends and you began to interfere with everyone And then draw your own conclusions
                      54. 0
                        12 January 2013 23: 13
                        Ruslan67
                        Of course they did, but did everyone lose the war? Or do you think otherwise?
                      55. +3
                        13 January 2013 00: 22
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        but then everyone lost the war?

                        They explain to you in Russian white and white - a lightning rod and a training ground for superpowers And whoever won the local squabble at the same time is the main thing to identify and eliminate the shortcomings of the latest weapons systems wassat
                      56. -4
                        12 January 2013 23: 14
                        Arabs beat you repeatedly and your state is alive only because the superpowers need it as a lightning rod and a testing ground

                        I like such connoisseurs of history. Cool "beat" each time losing another territory. I especially "like" how the carts celebrate the victory of 1973 when the UN stopped the IDF 100 km from Cairo and 40 km from Damascus. wink Show a card or believe a word? laughing
                      57. Cavas
                        +5
                        13 January 2013 00: 39
                        Quote: professor
                        I like such connoisseurs of history. Cool "beat" each time losing another territory. I especially "like" how the carts celebrate the victory of 1973 when the UN stopped the IDF 100 km from Cairo and 40 km from Damascus.

                        Yeah, but I like your myths, they counted on a three-day blitzkrieg received by snot, except for Aron laughing he captured 400 tanks wassat ) and jump above the roof. request
                        And the fact that the USSR recognized Israeli tactics, tested its armament, gave the Arabs a snot for such an attitude to technology, when even the KUB didn’t work at all.
                      58. +5
                        13 January 2013 00: 56
                        Quote: Cavas
                        Yeah, but I like your myths,

                        Listen, what do we try to prove to them every time? It has long been known that in an argument the opponent will not be able to prove that black is white, but then you can fuck the head with such a club so that he sees all the colors of the rainbow wassat
                      59. Cavas
                        +5
                        13 January 2013 01: 06
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Listen, what do we try to prove to them every time? It has long been known that in an argument the opponent will not be able to prove that black is white, but then you can fuck the head with such a club so that he sees all the colors of the rainbow

                        Ruslan, we are not trying to prove anything, let alone to the "nedobit".
                        They hto, but no one ... clowns who are trying to get their propaganda out here, but we just laugh at them! good
                        Accept without them it would be boring!
                        And with a club on the head we always have time !! drinks
                      60. +2
                        13 January 2013 01: 10
                        Quote: Cavas
                        And with a club on the head we always have time !! drinks

                        How much you can learn - do not put off until tomorrow those who can be beaten today am
                        Quote: Cavas
                        Accept without them it would be boring!

                        Agree good
                      61. +3
                        13 January 2013 01: 10
                        Quote: Cavas


                        Yeah, but I like your myths, they counted on a three-day blitzkrieg received by snot, except for Aron, he captured 400 tanks) and jump above the roof.
                        And the fact that the USSR recognized Israeli tactics, checked its armament, gave the Arabs a snot for such an attitude to technology, when even the KUB didn’t work

                        I’m quite new on the site and I don’t know all the underwater currents on the site, as well as your personal attitude to Israel, but the facts that lie on the surface and deny that are not possible say one thing
                        . The consequences of the 1973 war were as follows
                        1.yu From Egypt - Sadat's expulsion of all Soviet advisers, the conclusion of peace with Israel and the fall of (Egypt) into the hands of the Americans, in whom he remains until today
                        2. Syria's refusal to forcefully solve problems (including attempts to return the Golan Heights)
                        The lifting of the embargo on oil supplies to the West and to America has caused a sharp drop in oil prices. The transition of the Gulf countries (more precisely, the Arabian Peninsula) under full control by the Amer and permission to build bases.
                        These are the facts. respectfully hi
                      62. +2
                        13 January 2013 01: 17
                        Quote: atalef
                        These are the facts. Regards hi

                        What did Israel do of this on its own without the help and pressure of the United States? hi
                      63. Cavas
                        +1
                        13 January 2013 01: 24
                        Quote: atalef
                        On the Egyptian side - Sadat’s expulsion of all Soviet advisers, the conclusion of peace with Israel and the fall of (Egypt) into the hands of the Americans, in whom he remains to this day

                        1.Israel was not allowed to seize Lebanon
                        2. The economy and the political system are completely destroyed
                        a tiny state that is half
                        Of Israel.
                        3. Studied the tactics of the Israeli Air Force.
                        5. Weapons tested and tested in a battle with modern American weapons.
                        4. The information war was lost, but the USSR was too powerful to pay attention to it.
                        5. Only a miracle saved Israel from hitting missiles from a Soviet submarine (8 Hiroshima)
                        6. It became clear to everyone that Syria in 1983 was not the same Syria that it was in the late 70s. She could reject any threats.

                        Here fifi fifi
                      64. +1
                        13 January 2013 09: 34
                        Cavas,
                        I will answer you point by point. although probably everything will again come down to an empty bazaar (I just read your previous comments)
                        1. Israel controlled the security zone in Y. Lebanon until 2000. Nobody set the goals of seizing and controlling Lebanon. The goal was the expulsion of Arafat from Lebanon, which was successfully completed.
                        2. the fact that Lebanon was destroyed, so they themselves are too much .tk. The reason for the 1982 war of the year was the continuous attacks of Arafat militants from Lebanon on the northern borders of Israel
                        3. So what ? To whom and how did it help? In general, generals are always ready for the PAST wars.
                        5Well and what are the results? A negative result is the same result. General wrote enough about Israeli EW
                        6. ????????????? (more precisely, the point about the inform. war) again goes under the number 4 (after 5)
                        Again 5 (about the rocket) Do you have information about the launch command? Or did the rocket deviate from course? because in this case, it is difficult to understand - Miraculously saved.
                        7. It became clear to everyone.
                        This I would like to deploy a little. If you noticed, the 1982 war took place exclusively in Lebanon. Despite the losses and direct hostilities, not a single Syrian soldier. a plane or a tank, whatever, a shell or just a bullet crossed the Syria-Israel border. because the Syrians understood that a direct armed conflict with Israel would return it to 1973 year and there was no guarantee. that (UN) will have time to stop the tanks in 40 km from Damascus (as last time). Therefore, for 40 years, the border with Syria has been the calmest.

                        Quote: Cavas
                        She could reject any threats.

                        Well, probably with the exception of the bombed Syrian reactor and the Israeli Air Force flights over Assad’s palace.
                        This is if we talk about the facts. Sincerely . Alexander.
                      65. 0
                        13 January 2013 22: 16
                        Well, here you may be right - the puppeteers have different dolls ...
                      66. 0
                        13 January 2013 22: 18
                        Well, here you may be right - the puppeteers have different dolls ...
                      67. +1
                        13 January 2013 00: 57
                        Well, after all, Tsakhal was in Cairo and Damascus did not enter)))) So there is something to celebrate))))
                      68. Misantrop
                        +1
                        14 January 2013 10: 41
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        By the way, if the Egyptian army, armed and trained by the USSR since 1955 and Syria since 1962, in all the wars with Israel turned out to be "poorly trained and poorly equipped Arabs", then what were tens of thousands of Soviet instructors doing and where did thousands of tanks, aircraft, guns and other things go? weapons donated to these countries?
                        It’s strange, I hadn’t thought about it before, but now it suddenly occurred to me ... But weren't those instructors who taught and supplied the Arabs that a little later chose Israel “the homeland of their children”? Too much then becomes clear ... recourse
                      69. 0
                        17 January 2013 16: 31
                        In vain you are, the IDF is a very serious army, with great combat experience and excellent weapons. The point here is not sympathy, but honest evaluation. Even the enemy must be able to be respected, otherwise trouble. I was so taught in due time.
                      70. +2
                        12 January 2013 23: 08
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        An amazingly informative answer, well, you earned a couple more pluses, so what? And what did you say on the case? Try to light up on GSPO with such an answer or on "Courage", the yellow card is provided


                        Neither in the GSPO nor in Courage there is practically nothing on the Strategic Missile Forces, East Kazakhstan region, space, global strike systems, hypersound, robotics, weapons based on new physical principles, etc. It’s not interesting if you don’t understand tanks and planes, for example.
                      71. 0
                        13 January 2013 00: 34
                        for what I bought, for that I sold, you have a lot of sound reasoning and knowledge, if you ask for the numbers then ask for the photo (you don’t upload the photos yourself) if you are screaming like that, site g ..., stupid people -Dump the Jews !!! !
                    2. +2
                      12 January 2013 20: 05
                      Quote: Cavas
                      Yeah, taste the sand --- it should be different!)


                      Better free powder

                      1. +1
                        13 January 2013 20: 39
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        Better free powder

                        Cool laughing
                        Although there are no upholstered doors in Israel, Tide is nevertheless for sale. laughing
                  2. 0
                    13 January 2013 00: 32
                    and you do not know the neighborhood of Tel Aviv ???? what kind of Jew are you then ???
                3. Lech37
                  +2
                  12 January 2013 19: 53
                  This is a Saudi F-15 crashed during a training flight

                  http://www.okaz.com.sa/okaz/osf/20061102/Con2006110259558.htm
                  1. Cavas
                    +1
                    12 January 2013 20: 13
                    And is he just walking ???

                    Israeli F-15 in the sight of the Syrian instant-21.
                    1. +2
                      12 January 2013 20: 18
                      Quote: Cavas
                      And is he just walking ???

                      Unlike us sinners, he is a free man, wherever he wants and walks there request Earth him cancer wassat
                    2. Lech37
                      -1
                      12 January 2013 20: 40
                      Photoshop drives. And here is the original



                      "Atlantic" of the Pakistani Navy in the sight of the Indian MIG-21

                      http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/Kargil/1057-Atlantique.html
                      1. Cavas
                        +3
                        12 January 2013 21: 33
                        Quote: Lech37

                        Of course, I drew all night, I knew that you would have fun here. laughing
                        And I also painted these fragments myself, though they are from Kfir (but this is not an Israeli plane, it was invented by penguins), but I painted on the stars yesterday! laughing
                      2. Lech37
                        +1
                        12 January 2013 21: 41
                        Of course, I drew all night, I knew that you would have fun here. laughing
                        And I also painted these fragments myself, though they are from Kfir (but this is not an Israeli plane, it was invented by penguins), but I painted on the stars yesterday! laughing


                        Cavas, With that photo, you imprudently led to a fake, which I pointed out. As for the last photo you posted, here is some information about this Kfir:

                        November 20, 1983, 14:30 - during the attack of the Air Force planes on the targets of the terrorists north of the Beirut-Damascus highway, Kfir C.2, piloted by the squadron commander, Lieutenant Colonel Mika Lev, was shot down by direct hit of an anti-aircraft projectile. The plane was damaged 15 miles from the coast and Miki tried to reach the sea. However, after all hydraulic systems failed, the Kfir lost control and the pilot was forced to eject south Beirut at an altitude of 4,500 feet. After landing, he was captured by soldiers of the Lebanese army and on the evening of the same day was handed over to Israel. By helicopter, Miki was taken from Jounieh to Israel, to the Tel-Ha-Shomer hospital for examination, and already at 2 a.m. on November 20/21 he was in his squadron ("Israeli Air Force Journal", No. 137, November 1983, p. . 7-8; No. 141, July 1984, p. 12; No. 225, December 1998, p. 36-37; “Anti-overload suit”, p. 303-307).


                        Agree that the truth is much funnier fakes smile
                      3. Cavas
                        +2
                        12 January 2013 22: 03
                        Quote: Lech37
                        Agree that the truth is much funnier fakes

                        I agree, but that's where the truth is? laughing
                        The war has two sides, as a rule (at least), each one pulls further, pulls the blanket in its own direction, and your compatriot has captivated the whole Universe! laughing
                        So the F-15 went astray and even its wreckage is in the Syria museum! hi
                        PSBring show ????? wassat
                      4. Lech37
                        +2
                        12 January 2013 22: 24
                        The truth is that you put a photo of the wreckage of the downed kfir. Or do you intend to dispute this?

                        At the expense of the wreckage of the downed F-15, I expect the same.
                      5. Cavas
                        +1
                        12 January 2013 22: 38
                        Quote: Lech37
                        The truth is that you put a photo of the wreckage of the downed kfir. Or do you intend to dispute this?

                        Uncle, you ... well, I’d like to ask, under the wreckage of kefir it is so written that it is kefir, not sour milk, can’t read?
                        Quote: Lech37
                        At the expense of the wreckage of the downed F-15, I expect the same.

                        I asked you to bring them from Syria ?! laughing
                        No guys, you are definitely not Jews! wassat
                      6. Lech37
                        +2
                        12 January 2013 23: 04
                        Quote: Cavas
                        Uncle, you ... well, I’d like to ask, under the wreckage of kefir it is so written that it is kefir, not sour milk, can’t read?
                        I asked you to bring them from Syria ?! laughing
                        No guys, you are definitely not Jews! wassat


                        Oh yes, at least the construction of the remains of the wing and tail indicate that this is kfir. I believe that the level of your mental abilities allows you to compare them in pictures with other planes. smile

                        Again, I do not question your ability to find and post a photograph of the wreckage of the Israeli F-15 from the Syrian museum.

                        Z.Y. Yes, we are not Jews ... Do you consider this a vice?
                      7. Cavas
                        +1
                        12 January 2013 23: 21
                        Quote: Lech37
                        I believe that the level of your mental abilities allows you to compare them in pictures with other planes

                        What about my abilities, your cooler, you can’t even read the post! wassat

                        Quote: Lech37
                        Z.Y. Yes, we are not Jews ... Do you consider this a vice?

                        I knew it! laughing
                        Where is your homeland son? request
                      8. Lech37
                        +2
                        12 January 2013 23: 29
                        something about my abilities, yours are better, you can’t even read the post! wassat
                        I knew it! laughing
                        Where is your homeland son? request


                        We are not wild people and academies, for this we completely trust you and look forward to your pictures of the F-15 wreckage from the Syrian museum hi
                      9. +1
                        12 January 2013 23: 16
                        So the F-15 went astray and even its wreckage is in the Syria museum!
                        PSBring show ?????

                        YES, YES, show me and laugh together with you so this is Kfir.
                      10. Lech37
                        +1
                        12 January 2013 23: 25
                        YES, YES, show and laugh together with you so this is Kfir


                        Professor, for example, a photo from the Syrian Museum of the War of Silence, or as it is also called the Doomsday War.




                        In the photo, we presumably see the wreckage of Israeli aircraft.
                        I hope the network has similar pictures and F-15 from the Syrian museum. Let's wait and not prematurely detract from the Cavas ability to provide them.
                      11. The comment was deleted.
                      12. Lech37
                        0
                        12 January 2013 23: 34
                        Cavas is a troll and is not capable of serious conversation. We will not wait for anything from him except rudeness.


                        I did not follow the site and am new to the local public. Therefore, I am not in a hurry to draw hasty conclusions smile

                        maybe you can give a link to the Syrian Air Force Museum website?
                      13. -2
                        12 January 2013 23: 49
                      14. Lech37
                        +2
                        13 January 2013 00: 10
                        That's about him
                        Tishreen War Panorama Museum, Damascus, Syria


                        Professor,

                        This I have already seen, but as I said earlier this is a museum of the silence war or the Doomsday War. Now, if it was a museum of the Syrian Air Force or a museum of the events described in the topic, then another thing.
                      15. Cavas
                        +2
                        12 January 2013 23: 46
                        Quote: professor
                        Cavas is a troll and is not capable of serious conversation. We will not wait for anything from him except rudeness.

                        You yourself are an uncle ... in the sense of a good person! laughing
                        Quote: professor
                        In the photo, we presumably see the wreckage of Israeli aircraft.

                        Do you know why you see them, but I do not.
                        The offensive of Israel was carried out at a pace of 20 km per day, all (ALL, ALL !!!) remains, fragments, debris remained in the territory controlled by Israel for many months. There was no need to pull anywhere, no need to hide anyone. During the fighting, within 4 days over the territory controlled by the Syrian forces, only one aircraft was shot down.
                        Or have you decided with all your "Jewish wisdom" to take me at my word? request
                        Well, what have you caught ?! laughing
                        I cried! crying
                      16. -1
                        12 January 2013 23: 52
                        There are no promised pictures? What a pity ... But he promised to show the wreckage of the F-15 in the Syrian museum and again lied. Well, we will survive - not the first time. wink
                      17. Cavas
                        +1
                        13 January 2013 00: 02
                        Quote: professor

                        There are no promised pictures? What a pity ... But he promised to show the wreckage of the F-15 in the Syrian museum and again lied. Well, we will survive - not the first time.

                        I didn’t expect you, you seem to be able to read, since articles are being translated, so in a post with HUMOR (for especially smart) was asked GO rather than SHOW!
                        Do you feel the difference !? laughing
                        It’s a pity that you will survive, such a science fiction writer like you is the very place next to Goebbels! wink
                      18. -2
                        13 January 2013 00: 05
                        "Decent" answer of the one caught in a lie. negative
                        it turns out it was humor !!! Now ALL of your comments are only through the prism of humor and I will read. in other words, do not take them seriously. good
                      19. +1
                        13 January 2013 00: 03
                        Cavas
                        Well, photos from photo guns? They cannot be provided either.
                      20. Cavas
                        +1
                        13 January 2013 00: 14
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Well, photos from photo guns? They cannot be provided either.

                        "There is data in secret libraries, in particular - the Air Force academies and the VKO academies. To which the head of the department and its associate professor have direct and free access. But you" screwed up "their opinion, because it catastrophically disagrees with your ideas about reality. "

                        You bring them to Israel ??? laughing

                        Have you already counted the captured tanks, exactly 400 ?, Maybe 4000, eh? wassat
                      21. +1
                        13 January 2013 01: 50
                        Cavas
                        You are not a clown, you are a pea jester.
                      22. Lech37
                        +4
                        13 January 2013 00: 05
                        Cavas,

                        Do you know why you see them, but I do not.
                        The offensive of Israel was carried out at a pace of 20 km per day, all (ALL, ALL !!!) remains, fragments, debris remained in the territory controlled by Israel for many months. There was no need to pull anywhere, no need to hide anyone. During the fighting, within 4 days over the territory controlled by the Syrian forces, only one aircraft was shot down.
                        Or have you decided with all your "Jewish wisdom" to take me at my word? request
                        Well, what have you caught ?! laughing
                        I cried! crying


                        Cavas, I pointed out that this photo was taken at the Museum of the Silence War or Doomsday War. This war was in October 1973, that is, long before the events discussed in the subject. Obviously you did not take this into account when writing the answer. Be careful next time.

                        Z.Y. I still don’t understand why you boast of a Jewish theme? Do you really think that this will replace your arguments? We ask only a little - a link to the site of the Syrian museum in which, in your opinion, are the wreckage of a downed F-15. You know that, even just the official name of the museum will come down. Ali are you ready to give up your words?
                      23. Cavas
                        +1
                        13 January 2013 01: 30
                        Quote: Lech37
                        Cavas, I pointed out that this photo was taken at the Museum of the Silence War or Doomsday War. This war was in October 1973, that is, long before the events discussed in the subject. Obviously you did not take this into account when writing the answer. Be careful next time.

                        You write what don’t write. You don’t know how to read, one hell! request
                        Israel in general, in principle, does not recognize the loss of the Air Force, never. Only if the pilots are captured. And that is not always the case. THERE WAS 2 CASES WHEN PILOTS WERE CAPTIVED, EXCHANGED THEM, AND ISRAEL WILL NOT RECOGNIZE EVERYTHING LIKE.
                        Quote: Lech37
                        We ask only a little - a link to the site of the Syrian museum in which, in your opinion, are the wreckage of a downed F-15. You know that, even just the official name of the museum will come down. Ali are you ready to give up your words?

                        Another kooky, hde, and when did I promise you a link, a photo, or did I promise something at all? fool
                        What are you lying without ceasing? request
                        Whoa, stop ... wassat
                      24. Lech37
                        -1
                        13 January 2013 01: 51
                        Quote: Cavas
                        You write what don’t write. You don’t know how to read, one hell!


                        Let's look at this misunderstanding again: Earlier, I wrote about the war of the 73rd year. In that war, many Israeli aircraft were shot down, including over Syrian-controlled territory. Look for yourself.

                        http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/history/yom-kippur-war/iaf-airmen-losses/

                        In the photo that I posted, the wreckage of the aircraft was provided. Judging by the color of the Israeli, but I can not vouch for it.

                        You attributed these fragments to the war of '82, to which they obviously have nothing to do.

                        For this, my wishes remain valid: be careful what you read.

                        Quote: Cavas
                        Another kooky, hde, and when did I promise you a link, a photo, or did I promise something at all? fool
                        What are you lying without ceasing?


                        Earlier you wrote:

                        Quote: Cavas
                        So the F-15 went astray and even its wreckage is in the Syria museum! hi
                        PSBring show ????? wassat


                        This, on my part, prompted a reasonable request to provide pictures of these fragments (it’s interesting after all), to which I did not receive a definite answer. And now this request also causes an incomprehensible chaotic reaction ... Well, let's do it differently: can you provide these photos or at least a link to the site of this museum? A simple answer is expected to answer yes or no.

                        If you can’t just say no and there’s nothing shameful about it.
                      25. Cavas
                        +1
                        13 January 2013 02: 09
                        Quote: Lech37
                        You attributed these fragments to the war of '82, to which they obviously have nothing to do.

                        1. I did not take them anywhere, carefully read the post, I just wrote that you see them, but I DO NOT!
                        What is incomprehensible here? request
                        Quote: Lech37
                        PSBring show ????? wassat

                        2. Now we’ll think together while in Russia, how could I bring you the wreckage of an airplane located in Syria to Israel?
                        You are closer, do not you ?? laughing
                        You do not understand the irony ??? request
                        3. They really are, only bad luck, The offensive of Israel was carried out at a pace of 20 km per day, all (ALL, ALL !!!) remains, fragments, debris remained in the territory controlled by Israel for many months. There was no need to pull anywhere, no need to hide anyone. During the fighting, within 4 days over the territory controlled by the Syrian forces, only one aircraft was shot down.
                        4.Israel in general, in principle, does not recognize the loss of the Air Force, never. Only if the pilots are captured.
                        Quote: Lech37
                        Can you provide these photos or at least a link to the site of this museum?

                        5. When I go next time I will definitely take a picture for you, if I’m not too busy I will!

                        Do you have more questions or will you push your horn again? request
                      26. Lech37
                        -1
                        13 January 2013 02: 26
                        Quote: Cavas
                        2. Now we’ll think together while in Russia, how could I bring you the wreckage of an airplane located in Syria to Israel?
                        You are closer, do not you ?? laughing
                        You do not understand the irony ??? request


                        I repeatedly requested just a photograph or a link to the museum’s website, not the wreckage itself. I figured you could provide them, but obviously this is not the case. And why do you think I'm from Israel?

                        Quote: Cavas
                        3. They really are, only bad luck, the Israeli offensive was carried out at a pace of 20 km per day, all (ALL, ALL !!!) remains, fragments, debris remained in the territory controlled by Israel for many months. There was no need to pull anywhere, no need to hide anyone. During the fighting, within 4 days over the territory controlled by the Syrian forces, only one aircraft was shot down.


                        Is it about the war of the 73rd or 82nd year?

                        Quote: Cavas
                        5. When I go next time I will definitely take a picture for you, if I’m not too busy I will!


                        I would be very grateful.
                      27. Cavas
                        0
                        13 January 2013 02: 44
                        Quote: Lech37
                        I repeatedly requested just a photograph or a link to the museum’s website, not the wreckage itself.

                        Should I re-post or read it myself?
                        Quote: Lech37
                        And why do you think I'm from Israel?

                        On your forehead is written! laughing
                        Have you been to the mirror for a long time? feel
                        Quote: Lech37
                        Is it about the war of the 73rd or 82nd year?

                        Which one do you choose? laughing
                        Quote: Lech37
                        I would be very grateful.

                        Well, it's just to wait! wink
                      28. Lech37
                        -2
                        13 January 2013 02: 52
                        Quote: Cavas
                        Which one do you choose?


                        I wrote about the museum of the year 73. Judging by the phrase about 4 days of fighting, you did not write about it, but about the 82nd war. Clarify what kind of war you wrote about.

                        Quote: Cavas
                        Well, it's just to wait!


                        Does not rust smile
                      29. Cavas
                        0
                        13 January 2013 03: 07
                        Quote: Lech37
                        I wrote about the museum of the year 73. Judging by the phrase about 4 days of fighting, you did not write about it, but about the 82nd war.

                        If they wrote about the year 73, then why the hell did F-15 fragments ask?

                        Quote: Lech37
                        Does not rust

                        Hope to wait! wink
                      30. Lech37
                        -1
                        13 January 2013 14: 57
                        Quote: Cavas
                        If they wrote about the year 73, then why the hell did F-15 fragments ask?


                        This was an example of what I expected from you: a photo from a museum with debris. As you said, you cannot provide a photo. But the country is that you cannot provide the name of the museum either.
                      31. tolan777
                        +2
                        13 January 2013 14: 49
                        Professor, you still say that you are not a troll.
                      32. Cavas
                        -1
                        12 January 2013 23: 58
                        Quote: professor
                        YES, YES, show me and laugh together with you so this is Kfir.

                        Wait a minute, I didn’t just spit to Syria to go, op took Damascus! laughing
                        Since there is no way to go to your own place or after the last cradle is not very pulling !? laughing
                      33. -1
                        12 January 2013 22: 13
                        Lech37
                        You spit right into the soul of people. It’s possible to dive.
                      34. Cavas
                        +2
                        12 January 2013 22: 21
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        You spit right into the soul of people. It’s possible to dive.

                        you can’t spit in your soul, because you sold it to Moroka! laughing
                      35. 0
                        12 January 2013 23: 31
                        Cavas
                        Brad.
                      36. -1
                        12 January 2013 22: 23
                        Lekha37, it’s impossible to put a comrade's face in the dirt like that - he will stop trolling like that. laughing
                      37. Cavas
                        +1
                        12 January 2013 23: 06
                        Quote: professor
                        Lekha37, it’s impossible to muzzle comrades in the mud like that - he’ll stop trolling

                        Are you talking to me? laughing
                        You really lie, but don’t lie! laughing
                        You uncle, only a schoolboy doesn’t kick here, and that’s just because the site has been without a week for a year! laughing
                        And the fact that you are a liar and a forger the whole site knows! wassat
                      38. +2
                        12 January 2013 23: 26
                        Caught you with your pants down however ... good Now we look forward to the next pearl about the F-15 Syrian Museum. Well, what are you? After all, they promised and suddenly not? wink
                      39. Cavas
                        +1
                        14 January 2013 23: 59
                        Oh my god, what I see has slid to direct insults! laughing
                        Apparently, I distorted you strongly ..... laughing
                        Learn Russian and Mighty language, well, first read the post correctly!
                4. -1
                  12 January 2013 22: 14
                  You are ignorant. There are no sand deserts in Lebanon, especially in the Bekaa Valley, a photo from Libya. wink
                  I can draw you such photos as many
                  1. Cavas
                    +2
                    12 January 2013 22: 19
                    Quote: professor
                    I can draw you such photos as many

                    What have you successfully done here!
                    And the Syrians fellows put in your piston, and even what, I hope not the last! laughing
                  2. Lech37
                    +1
                    12 January 2013 22: 29
                    Professor, you’d better clarify the photos about F-14. It seems to me that it was in Libya in 1986 or, in general, the Iranian tomcat
                    1. +2
                      12 January 2013 23: 19
                      These are already details, in their understanding that Israel, that Lebanon is a desert.
                      1. Cavas
                        +1
                        12 January 2013 23: 25
                        Quote: professor
                        These are details, in their understanding that Israel, that Lebanon is a desert

                        In our understanding, you are clowns (sorry, statement of fact and no more) laughing
                      2. -2
                        12 January 2013 23: 59
                        Cavas
                        What this changes is that personally you are a complete zero in the topic under discussion and you can only earn pluses from cheers-patriots.
                      3. Cavas
                        +2
                        13 January 2013 00: 59
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        What this changes is that personally you are a complete zero in the topic under discussion and you can only earn pluses from cheers-patriots.

                        He’s pinning you on the pluses, is it a painful topic !? laughing

                      4. +1
                        13 January 2013 01: 47
                        Cavas
                        It’s just another opportunity to tell you that you are a dumbbell and zero.
                      5. Cavas
                        +2
                        13 January 2013 01: 58
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        It’s just another opportunity to tell you that you are a dumbbell and zero.

                        Do not be offended, the Jews, even if they are not smart, are they not offended ?!)) laughing
                5. tolan777
                  -2
                  13 January 2013 14: 31
                  Cavas, bravo! You washed the Professor beautifully!
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                6. 0
                  13 January 2013 22: 05
                  Well, here you can clearly see ... again, the question for the "friends" is not exhausted: where are the pictures of the moments ?!
              2. +2
                13 January 2013 00: 40
                F-14 has a different tail. More like F-15
                1. Lech37
                  -1
                  13 January 2013 01: 22
                  Quote: atalef
                  F-14 has a different tail. More like F-15


                  atalef,

                  And all the same, more on the F-14 looks just the same because of the tail. Here is a comparison:





                  On the top photo F-15 and on the bottom F-14
            2. +1
              13 January 2013 16: 36
              Met. If you were teaching history, you would know that an agreement on the supply of F16 was concluded in 1978, in August. Just when a peace treaty was signed between Israel and Egypt.

              And if you carefully follow the history of the photo, it turns out that in the sight of the Egyptian Mig-21 EGYPTIAN F-16
              1. Cavas
                +1
                14 January 2013 23: 53
                Quote: Pimply
                And if you carefully follow the history of the photo, it turns out that in the sight of the Egyptian Mig-21 EGYPTIAN F-16

                For a long time you had to look for it. laughing
                But the kid who joined you (not exactly with you) saved the battle! hi
                PS By the way, it’s not written whose F-16 this is, well, just in case! laughing
                1. -1
                  15 January 2013 01: 26
                  Well, like a forum - not my place of residence, not all the time I spend here.
        2. +1
          13 January 2013 00: 28
          the name of this unclear circumstance of the MiG-23 is the limited Soviet contingent, so it’s not necessary to dissemble that it supposedly fell into the turbulence zone and other things
        3. Yarbay
          -1
          13 January 2013 08: 40
          Quote: Pimply
          The first F16 in a combat situation was officially lost

          Well, I don’t know, but I saw the screenshots and photos of Israeli planes shot down by the Syrians with details of who hit what time and where they shot !!
          Don't know this question for me staying dark !!
          I don’t understand why Israel should hide, and Syria should be misinterpreted !!
          1. 0
            13 January 2013 13: 05
            And what exactly did Sergey represent? I have not seen here. There are quite specific pictures of the downed Kfirs during the 1982 war.

            Arabs misinterpret - there is a fairly clear reason, Alibek, I'm sorry. When you suffer defeat after defeat, somehow you need to hold your face
            1. Cavas
              +1
              13 January 2013 13: 11
              Quote: Pimply
              And what exactly did Sergey represent? I have not seen here. There are quite specific pictures of the downed Kfirs during the 1982 war.

              Zhenya, there are simply no others from this war (I explained why) and you know this better than me!
              Quote: Pimply
              When you suffer defeat after defeat, somehow you need to hold your face

              No one disputes that they are losing, but not with a score of 146: 0.
              After all, right ?, that's why there was my intervention, and so the war (information) side is dark. hi
              1. +1
                13 January 2013 13: 37
                Met. There was no score of 146: 0. In total for the period 1979-1985 Israeli aviation shot down 110 aircraft (including the MiG-25, shot down together with the Advanced Hawk air defense system), as well as 1-2 UAVs. Another 3 Syrian aircraft were shot down by air defense fires, 4 by SV fire, and several crashed in military disasters.

                From the middle of 1974 until the second Lebanese one over Lebanon was lost:

                5 combat aircraft (Skyhawk, two Phantoms and two Kfir);
                3 combat helicopters ("Cobra");
                3 transport helicopters (Anafa);
                11 crew members and 2 fighter 669 died;
                3 pilot captured and returned to Israel, 1 - did not return.

                The exact list.

                Met. Everything is simple. Israel this time - unlike previous wars - had superiority in technology, and traditional superiority in tactics and training. Therefore, the amount of loss was minimal. In addition, AWACS aircraft were actively used. The Syrians did not have them. Doesn't it seem strange to you that in past wars Israel recognized losses, but not here?

                You just do not understand the specifics of Israel - it is unrealistic to hide losses in this country. Absolutely.
                1. Cavas
                  0
                  13 January 2013 13: 46
                  Quote: Pimply
                  You just do not understand the specifics of Israel - it is unrealistic to hide losses in this country. Absolutely.

                  Well, Yo mine, again 25! request

                  Now probably yes, all the same 2013, but not in the 70-80s.
                  This is my opinion and you will not move it! hi
                  1. +1
                    13 January 2013 13: 50
                    I do not aspire. I’m just telling you - Israel has its own specifics.
                    A very small country.
                    Traditionally a very strong and highly independent press.
                    Many political parties that would not miss the chance to dance on their opponents, even if they were trying to hide losses.
                    A tough judiciary with huge powers.

                    For this reason, sooner or later everything comes up in Israel.
            2. Yarbay
              0
              13 January 2013 13: 39
              Quote: Pimply
              And what exactly did Sergey represent?

              Then the professor put similar above, but in the sense that it is a fake!
              I honestly got confused already!
              Quote: Pimply
              Arabs misinterpret - there is a fairly clear reason, Alibek, I'm sorry.

              Yes, I don’t have an apology to the Arabs, except religion I have nothing to do and in general I think for any one you need to be true !!
              You must be able to lose, then you will quickly learn to win !!
              1. +1
                13 January 2013 13: 43
                In Israel, the plan to lie in the press, especially about the losses - is very problematic. It is easier to put a ban on publication by military censorship. However, it still pops up. Arab countries are easier.
                1. Cavas
                  +3
                  13 January 2013 13: 51
                  Quote: Pimply
                  In Israel, the plan to lie in the press, especially about the losses - is very problematic. It is easier to put a ban on publication by military censorship. However, it still pops up. Arab countries are easier.

                  The fact that the Arabs embellish no one argues.
                  Here is a good example for you:
                  a copy of the Syrian palace of the president was discovered in Qatar
                  The Chinese television channel zte showed a video about a complex of buildings near the international airport in Doha, the Qatar complex of buildings in Doha, caught in the camera lens, is an exact copy of the presidential palace in Damascus.




                  BUT...

                  It doesn’t matter how it really was, it’s important how Hollywood will show it

                  Proverb



                  .
              2. -1
                13 January 2013 13: 44
                See here: Russians in the land of sand and pyramids
                and here: Russian planes for sale (Strategypage.com USA)
                However, disappointment awaits you, you will not find any means of objective control. sad
                1. Cavas
                  +1
                  13 January 2013 14: 03
                  Quote: professor
                  However, disappointment awaits you, you will not find any means of objective control.

                  Not until now.

                  Translate me this is better. from 1 to 30 seconds, I am interested in captions and negotiations. request

                  1. +2
                    13 January 2013 14: 17
                    Yoni Kuperman, pilot of the "Kfir" airplane, on video in black and white - analysis of the situation. Describes a situation of severe dizziness.

                    At night, at an altitude of 4000-4500 feet, entering a cloud in the Gaza region, I felt that I was entering a state of dizziness and loss of orientation. He says that in this state it is only necessary to act on devices and move away from one’s own feelings.

                    On that segment that you ask, he informs the tower that he is dizzy.
                  2. 0
                    13 January 2013 14: 59
                    He tells how he caught the vertigo, reported to the flight director about the decision to eject, but when he grabbed the "catapult handle", thanks to adrenaline he came to his senses and landed. Further about the development of the device vertigav for action in such situations.
      2. Karish
        0
        12 January 2013 15: 54
        Quote: professor
        Ascetic, you at least filter the laid out material. It turns out the Americans were decked f-xnumx

        To the master of the mine-pestle. It’s not appropriate to answer for comments. because in general, no one had ever heard his own thoughts. Maybe he doesn’t have a clave? After all, you can only copy it with the mouse laughing
        Ascetic can throw money on Klava to you?
        1. +7
          12 January 2013 16: 31
          Quote: Karish
          Ascetic can throw money on Klava to you?


          where did the jew come from? Yes, even on such a keyboard

          1. Yarbay
            +3
            12 January 2013 16: 54
            Quote: Ascetic
            where did the jew come from?

            I witnessed one conversation many years ago, but there was no representative of the people you write about)))))
            One asked the other for a loan, he did not give they were friends))))))))
            I asked because you had money why he didn’t give it because your friend)))
            In response, he told me that having given a loan to a friend, he may in the future be forced to borrow from someone since he considers all his expenses a month in advance))))
            And I remember in the office of one person in big letters over the head the inscription, in gold !!
            I DO NOT GIVE IN Duty, I DO NOT WANT TO LOSE FRIENDS !!)))))))))))))))
            1. +2
              13 January 2013 00: 52
              Quote: Yarbay
              I DO NOT GIVE IN Duty, I DO NOT WANT TO LOSE FRIENDS !!))))))))))))

              There are several wise proverbs on this subject.
              If you want to lose a friend - give a loan.
              Credit spoils the relationship.
              But also
              Debt good turn deserves another.
              Therefore, in general, everything depends on the person.
              Everyone chooses what is more convenient for him. At what both will be right.
              1. Yarbay
                0
                13 January 2013 08: 41
                Quote: atalef
                Everyone chooses what is more convenient for him. At what both will be right.

                You are right, there is nothing to add!
                +
          2. +2
            12 January 2013 17: 09
            from the nightstand !!!
            1. +2
              12 January 2013 18: 10
              Quote: Karlsonn
              from the nightstand !!!


              As well as my tablet with a touch screen with the eighth Windows (it’s convenient at work, I don’t need to download a worker for personal needs), but at home the laptop and a stationary PC on Wi-Fi with seven
              1. +5
                12 January 2013 18: 36
                Ascetic hi

                do not pay attention to this rudeness, it's not worth it drinks
                1. Cavas
                  +4
                  12 January 2013 18: 43
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  do not pay attention to this rudeness, it's not worth it

                  The same opinion. drinks
                  Spit, and you want to erase the powder! wassat
                  1. +6
                    12 January 2013 19: 37
                    Quote: Cavas
                    The same opinion.


                    There would be someone to be offended at! On the contrary, the object is immediately placed under the "roller".
                    Karish is simply not interested. Keep advance for February
                    1. +1
                      12 January 2013 21: 00
                      Ascetic

                      Quote: Ascetic
                      Keep advance for February


                      who is the last in this window? winked
                  2. postman
                    0
                    14 January 2013 01: 47
                    Although not on the topic and disagree: but I liked the gif .. I caught haha ​​and +14 friends
          3. Vito
            +2
            12 January 2013 20: 18
            Wise answer! I want to add from myself!
            TROLLIKI it is not only valuable LAUGH, but also three or even four minuses per minute!
      3. +3
        12 January 2013 16: 12
        Professor,

        In September-November 1983, the deck "Super Etendars" of the French Navy were actively used to destroy the artillery batteries of the Druze, and from December 4, the deck attack aircraft A-6 and A-7 of the US Navy joined the actions. The fire of the Syrian air defense missile systems shot down five A - 6E carrier-based bombers, three F - 14 fighters, one Phantom and two Super Etandart carrier-based fighters.

        My webpage.
        1. -2
          12 January 2013 22: 29
          This is your answer to the deck F-16 (for the workers' palette I repeat: F-16 in words: sixteen)? Can you post them to us? lol
          1. 0
            13 January 2013 18: 10
            Maybe these birds?

            1. -1
              13 January 2013 18: 13
              Where's the deck? wink And these birds of a completely different generation ...
            2. 0
              13 January 2013 21: 02
              This is the F-16I, deliveries began in 2004. They have nothing to do with carrier-based fighters.
  12. 0
    12 January 2013 15: 07
    Not an article, but a song.

    "Fair world", "progressive mode", shot down "F-16" and "F-15". I read and admired.

    From mid-1974 lost over Lebanon to the second Lebanon lost over Lebanon

    5 combat aircraft (Skyhawk, two Phantoms and two Kfir);
    3 combat helicopters ("Cobra");
    3 transport helicopters (Anafa);
    11 crew members and 2 fighter 669 died;
    3 pilots were captured and returned to Israel, 1 - did not return (Ron Arad).


    http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/lebanon-losses.htm

    Detailed analysis, by date, with data from several sources.

    In the article, Yashkin is cunning, and he is cunning more than once. Because the "downed" planes are at least some kind of excuse in the overall lost situation
    1. Cavas
      +8
      12 January 2013 15: 28
      Quote: Pimply
      Detailed analysis, by date, with data from several sources.

      Yes, there are such authoritative sources, WANT STOP_LOT PADAY !!!
      Where are we to Israel after all, he knocks a UFO !!!! hahaha wassat



      On Saturday, also fighters chased a UFO. And even shot down one of the objects. What was filmed by one of the eyewitnesses.

      What kind of "flying saucer" is that, which easily allows itself to be knocked down and only by JEWS !!!. wassat
      I just can not laugh from you !!))
      1. 0
        12 January 2013 15: 32
        Meth, bring more authoritative sources. And I'll see, I will scream 8)
        1. +4
          12 January 2013 16: 22
          pimply, what to discuss? Not later than the day before yesterday, the professor argued that what Haaretz and Debka write is complete nonsense! I willingly believe him and distribute it all to all Israeli media. Conclusion - with a certain skepticism, I relate to what was stated in the SABZh, although the author gives a rather detailed description of geographical data, names of participants, and so on. That is, clearly the author was there, participated and is an eyewitness. Maybe a little exaggerated, but there is a result - Syria is alive and well, i.e. she managed to fight back. And plus or minus the F-15 or even what kind of aircraft - does not matter much. Therefore, with immeasurably great skepticism, I relate to your statements about the countless victories of the IDF. It is precisely because of this attitude that I have already caught the professor many times on lies, with regard to Karish - there are generally doubts about the adequacy of it. He has Putin’s dictator, he’s only pretending to eliminate capable competitors and to deceive the Russian people for 12 years! laughing
          1. +3
            12 January 2013 16: 45
            Quote: aksakal
            in relation to karish - there are generally doubts about the adequacy. He has a dictator Putin, he is only preoccupying himself with eliminating capable competitors and with the fact that for 12 years he has been deceiving the Russian people!

            Adequacy is doubtful. wassat
          2. +1
            12 January 2013 17: 25
            It’s hard to name the media. She often publishes unverified data.
            Haaretz - biased leftist newspaper. It supplies information strictly from one angle.
            But the data that publishes, double-checks. Otherwise, you can get a lot on the cap, which somehow happened.
            There is rarely doubt about the accuracy of the data published by officially registered media - and if they exist, they are removed very quickly. There are names, data of the dead, etc. The question is, under what sauce are they served.
          3. -3
            12 January 2013 22: 32
            That is precisely why I relate to the fact that many times I caught a professor on a lie

            What do you smoke? Evidence in the studio, you are lying to us. laughing
            1. Cavas
              +2
              13 January 2013 01: 12
              Quote: professor
              Evidence in the studio, you are lying to us

              You can’t be offended by the truth, professor! laughing
        2. Cavas
          +3
          12 January 2013 17: 23
          Quote: Pimply
          Meth, bring more authoritative sources. And I'll see, I will scream 8)


          Do you really think that "Tsakhal" can be a source.
          In this case, better read "KP" or other tabloids.
          Oh yes, you have "Tsakhal"!
          1. -1
            12 January 2013 17: 29
            I know how the IDF information service works. There was no particular lie there. If they do not want to communicate something, they simply do not inform. Archives after a certain number of years are quite accessible.
            1. Cavas
              +2
              12 January 2013 17: 34
              Quote: Pimply
              I know how the IDF information service works.

              Really?
              Quote: Pimply
              There wasn’t much lie there

              The question is the same?
              Quote: Pimply
              If something do not want to report - just do not report.

              Simply put, they hide!
              Quote: Pimply
              records after a certain number of years quite accessible.

              Archive to the archive, you in one post refute yourself! laughing
              1. -2
                12 January 2013 17: 52
                Trolling is such a trolling. Met, I'm sorry, I do not feed
                1. Cavas
                  +4
                  12 January 2013 18: 29
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Trolling is such a trolling. Met, I'm sorry, I do not feed



                  And this tells me the thickest troll site !!! wassat
                  1. -1
                    12 January 2013 19: 04
                    Met, repeat. I do not feed.
                    1. Cavas
                      +1
                      12 January 2013 19: 15
                      Quote: Pimply
                      Met, repeat. I do not feed.

                      First feed yourself, otherwise there is not enough money for the war game, but they are all there too.
                      You have even been leaked by the CIA as a state! laughing
                      1. -2
                        12 January 2013 19: 42
                        Dear Met. Trolling is bad. I do not feed
                      2. Cavas
                        +2
                        12 January 2013 19: 47
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Dear Met. Trolling is bad. I do not feed

                        What else can you say? laughing

                        By the way, remember your words the next time you try to advertise worthless products here! hi
                        Good luck if you can call it that!
                      3. -2
                        13 January 2013 03: 20
                        My friend, what kind of advertising are you talking about? Advertising of what?
                  2. +5
                    12 January 2013 19: 41
                    Quote: Cavas
                    And this tells me the thickest troll site !!!

                    He is losing weight so angry wassat
                2. -1
                  12 January 2013 22: 37
                  Pimply
                  But in vain. I’m talking with the trolls in their language and this is such a buzz. laughing They then sincerely believe that their opinion interests me, and even more so can offend. And so they entertain me, I feed them and everyone is happy. drinks
          2. 0
            12 January 2013 18: 53
            http://www.idf.il/english/. Нормальный источник.
      2. Karish
        -3
        12 January 2013 15: 46
        Quote: Cavas
        I just can’t laugh from you !!

        If only you knew another language besides Russian and obscene. you would understand that we are talking about a downed UAV sent by Hezbollah.
        Apparently besides the inscription Russkaja Vodka, you won’t understand anything about * foreign * laughing
        1. Igor Belov
          +3
          12 January 2013 15: 53
          Quote: Karish
          except for the inscription Russkaja Vodka, you won’t understand anything about * foreign *

          But what for did the foreign language surrender to us? We don’t go to anyone with our advice, which I also wish you
          1. Yarbay
            +3
            12 January 2013 17: 32
            Quote: Igor Belov
            But what for did the foreign language surrender to us?

            Of course, he doesn’t need you, but, citing some material in a foreign language, it would be nice to know him to justify his statement!
        2. Cavas
          +1
          12 January 2013 17: 27
          Quote: Karish
          If only you owned Russian and obscene

          If they owned brains, they wouldn’t try to us to breathe in their Jewish propaganda!
          And alas, you can be considered a Jew by misunderstanding! laughing
        3. bask
          +3
          13 January 2013 00: 50
          Quote: Karish
          Isi Russkaja Vodka, you can’t understand anything about * foreign *

          And a stuffed animal to make him. I also wanted to laugh angry
      3. +4
        12 January 2013 15: 47
        Cavas

        wiping sweat from his forehead:
        - now you can sleep peacefully and not be afraid of aliens with their military tripods! We will simply set Jews and aliens on them - AMBA !!!
        good Yes bully
        1. Karish
          -2
          12 January 2013 15: 56
          [
          Quote: Karlsonn
          We will simply set Jews and aliens on them - AMBA !!!

          Does Carloson speak only Swedish? With English strained laughing good bully tongue
          1. +6
            12 January 2013 16: 34
            Karish

            Quote: Karish
            Does Carloson speak only Swedish?


            Karlsonn owns express interrogation methods, ten minutes and a person from anywhere in the world shows an acceptable level of knowledge - great and powerful, so Karlsonn is too lazy to learn the language of a potential adversary, --- why?
            Karlsonn is better at indulging in buns, well, or he’ll fill the face with a strange man in leggings who got into the habit of climbing roofs hi .
            1. +3
              12 January 2013 16: 48
              Quote: Karlsonn
              Karlsonn is better at indulging in buns, well, or stuffing his face with a strange peasant in leggings who got into the habit of climbing roofs.

              Swedish-Amerov showdown. - START laughing
              Picture class good
            2. Yarbay
              +4
              12 January 2013 17: 38
              Quote: Karlsonn
              Karlsonn owns express interrogation methods,

              Victims of the express method))))))))))))
              You look into the eyes)
              1. +6
                12 January 2013 17: 54
                Yarbay,


                The torture by oranges lasted a third hour
            3. +4
              12 January 2013 19: 33
              Quote: Karlsonn
              well, or it will fill the face with a strange peasant in leggings who got into the habit of climbing roofs hi

              Why is it not tolerant request To throw off the roof and the whole business laughing Let it fly wassat
              1. +2
                12 January 2013 21: 08
                Ruslan67

                Quote: Ruslan67
                To throw off the roof and the whole business


                Quote: Ruslan67
                Let it fly


                rumor has it that this strange man in leggings can fly like me belay Of course, I doubt it, but it’s better not to risk it - the old-fashioned method, it is reliable good .
                1. +4
                  13 January 2013 00: 34
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  rumor has it that this strange man in leggings can fly like me

                  Then the actors in each film are new wassat
        2. Cavas
          +3
          12 January 2013 17: 41
          Quote: Karlsonn
          We will simply set Jews and aliens on them - AMBA !!!


          They just zagrochit their OPUS compilation plus fantasy!

          This is what will save the earth! wassat

      4. 0
        12 January 2013 20: 50
        This shot down a drone in the Negev, near Gaza, famous personnel.
  13. +4
    12 January 2013 16: 42
    Some don't like what the Israelis write here? Set some cons to them. Have you decided to shut them up in this way?
  14. +2
    12 January 2013 16: 56
    Description of the events of the Syrian war of 1982 from eyewitness of those events Leonid Ignatievich Mikhailovsky.
    A detailed analysis of the aftermath of the 1982 Syrian war. and an explanation of the causes of current events in Syria.
    Analysis of the consequences of events in Syria for Russia

    1. Insurgent
      -4
      12 January 2013 17: 49
      Ascetic, you better look and dig around on the Internet; find material; in Syria, the massacre is the only Russian ally in the Middle East, after the loss of which there will be no influence on Russia to save the Assad and how to make the United States if it happened to Israel or Russia always turns to the United States , and Europe, what they think, you don’t know how to defend your interests
      1. +5
        12 January 2013 19: 42
        Quote: Insurgent

        Ascetic you better look


        Rebel! Adult uncles in Russia do not Poke.
        Quote: Insurgent
        made one

        To learn grammar at school!
        1. +3
          12 January 2013 19: 49
          Quote: Ascetic
          Rebel! To adult uncles in Russia Poke.

          For them you are when a lot hi
        2. Insurgent
          0
          12 January 2013 20: 09
          Ascetic off topic do not sulk
    2. +2
      12 January 2013 17: 51
      A lot of mistakes, and right away. A person does not even attempt an objective analysis. As I used to ride on the knurled dies, it goes.

      Nahal were the "youth brigade of settler fighters" in the early days of Israel's formation. By the time of the First Lebanese Nahal - the usual infantry units.

      They did not take part in the massacre. The massacre in Sabra and Shatila was staged by Christian phalangists, furious

      Not sanctioned by anyone - it sounds beautiful. However, since the signing of the ceasefire agreement in July 1981, the PLO has carried out 11 terrorist attacks in Israel, the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and near the Lebanese and Jordanian borders in 270 months. As a result, 29 Israelis were killed and more than 300 injured.

      It's funny that the OOP does not mention the presence of tanks, well, etc.
      1. Yarbay
        0
        12 January 2013 17: 54
        Quote: Pimply
        The massacre in Sabra and Shatila was staged by Christian phalangists, furious

        And how did they get mad?))))))))))))))
        Agree that the crime occurred with the full connivance of the Israeli army !!
        1. +1
          12 January 2013 17: 59
          Gemayel was then killed, the president of Lebanon. Christian Comrade, by the way, was also not sugar - but another 29 people blew it up. Plus in 1976 there was such a town - Damur. 500 slain Christians. Here the phalangists and dragged on the full program.

          Here, rather, it was not connivance - confusion and misunderstanding of the real situation. That does not remove responsibility, but slightly changes the view of the situation.
          1. Yarbay
            +1
            12 January 2013 18: 36
            Quote: Pimply

            Gemayel was then killed, the president of Lebanon. Christian

            Well I know that !!
            What does this have to do with the rage and murder of peaceful women and children ??
            This is just an excuse for animal instincts !!
            Quote: Pimply
            Here, rather, it was not connivance - confusion and misunderstanding of the real situation.

            I do not agree !!
            But I understand that you, as an Israeli, would not have said otherwise!
            1. +3
              12 January 2013 19: 15
              Alibek, between the PLO and the phalangists there was a serious confrontation. They cut each other, as God puts on a soul. Palestinians massacred another few years before, with a bunch of murdered women and children.

              In Sabra and Chatil, the ambiguity was that initially a large number of militants remained there - for this reason the Israelis did not twitch too much, the phalangists went to fight with the enemy, a common thing for war. But these guys did not stop at the militants, and began to cut civilians. According to the Lebanese Red Cross, there were 460 dead, including 15 women and 20 children. Children - there is no exact definition, often in reports from the Middle East children are enrolled as children of 17 years old. But the fact remains, there can be no special excuses - the killings were deliberate acts of revenge.
        2. +1
          13 January 2013 21: 01
          Quote: Yarbay
          And how did they get mad?))))))))))))))

          Good evening Alibek.
          The massacre was carried out by Christian phalangists in response to the assassination of the Lebanese president, Christian Bashir Zhmael, by the Palestinians.
          Israel did not participate, but did not interfere.
          Due to growing discontent within Israel, despite the opposition of many ministers who believed that the investigation would harm the country, Prime Minister Menachem Begin set up an independent commission on September 29 on September 1982 under the leadership of Israeli Supreme Court President Yitzhak Kahan.
          The commission’s report [5] states that the massacre was carried out by the Arabs against the Arabs, and that not a single Israeli soldier or direct ally of Israel (meaning parts of the South Lebanese Army) took part in it.
          At the same time, the commission considered that Minister of Defense Ariel Sharon was negligent, not taking into account the possibility of revenge on the part of Christian phalangists and providing their armed groups with the opportunity to freely and uncontrolledly move around the territory. The commission recommended that Sharon “draw personal conclusions” (Sharon was forced to resign from his post as secretary of defense). The commission also found unsatisfactory the actions of the chief of the General Staff, Rafael Eitan, the chief of military intelligence, Yehoshua Sagi (dismissed from his post) and the director of Mossad Nakhum Admoni. The guilt of the latter was deemed insignificant. In addition, the commission made claims against Foreign Minister Yitzhak Shamir, who did not pay attention to the information transmitted to him by Minister Mordechai Zipori immediately after the massacre in Sabra and Shatila. [50]
          After the commission’s report, the cabinet voted in favor of Sharon’s resignation as defense minister, although he remained ministerless without a portfolio.
          The report of the Kahan Commission has been praised in the United States and Western Europe as a significant example of self-criticism in a democracy.
          1. 0
            13 January 2013 21: 05
            Sagi was then the mayor of the city where I lived. The disgusting mayor turned out.
      2. Insurgent
        +2
        12 January 2013 20: 12
        70% of Christians lived in Lebanon. It was Middle Eastern Switzerland until Muslims of all stripes came. Shiites, Sunites and, happily, the Christian population and 30%
  15. Ratibor12
    +3
    12 January 2013 17: 51
    “... other military units also arrived: a technical regiment, it was stationed in Zelena Guta: an electronic warfare helicopter squadron, ground-based electronic warfare units; in early February - another long-range anti-aircraft regiment under the command of Colonel II Teterev. The regiment took up positions in 5 km East of the city of Homs New ACS have arrived; new military air defense systems "Osa-Oka" for manning mixed brigades in combined arms divisions; MiG-25 and MiG-23MLD aircraft with new onboard radars capable of tracking 4-6 targets and automatically carrying out missile launches on them; new rockets and volumetric explosion bombs and increased power ammunition ... "

    That is why they gave it to ... all this Anglo-American-Jewish evil spirits. Now, to help Syria, we must do no less!
  16. -2
    12 January 2013 20: 16
    For objectivity, read this:
    http://shaon.livejournal.com/107659.html
    1. Cavas
      +1
      12 January 2013 20: 31
      barmaley,
      Eco, how you poked. wassat

      They answered you there!

      "The rulers of Tel Aviv are still trying to mislead world public opinion ... they did not want to tell the truth then, trying in every possible way to support the myth they created about the invincibility of the Israeli army, about the invulnerability of Israeli air pirates. ... The legend of invincibility is also dispelled. Zionist pirates of the sky The air robbers of Tel Aviv found an indelible stain of shame, consolidated a shameful reputation of thugs and ruthless murderers of civilians.
      Zionist bosses in those days did not skimp on boastful claims that the Syrian army would be defeated in a matter of hours ...
      Among those who debunked the myths born of Zionist propaganda are Captain Selmu and his comrades. The Syrian press published many examples that refute the fabrications of Zionist propaganda.
      eloquent confirmation of the expansionist intentions of Tel Aviv regarding Lebanese lands.
      1. -1
        12 January 2013 20: 44
        Cavas
        What is the information value of your post?
        1. Cavas
          +3
          12 January 2013 22: 34
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          What is the information value of your post?

          Did you find the Snow Maiden? wink
  17. -4
    12 January 2013 20: 43
    The Israeli army achieved an impressive victory in the air and on the ground due to a whole range of factors: the skill of combat aviation pilots, the integrated conduct of all types of reconnaissance (radio engineering, radar, television) and electronic warfare, coordinated ground and air command actions, the skillful use of high-tech weapons.

    The Israeli victory also marked the technical backwardness of Russian weapons, significantly inferior to Israeli and American weapons and military technologies, and also showed the viciousness of Russian tactics of air warfare and the construction of air defense systems.
    1. +1
      12 January 2013 22: 21
      barmaley
      My boss, who was an officer at the headquarters of "Koah Yosi" in 1982, believes that Soviet (not Russian, this is 1982) weapons were quite up to par, including air defense equipment. But the tactics of its use did not change and relied on the use of air defense, which was quite successful for the Arabs in 1973, and the Soviet experience of Vietnam. And time did not stand still and the Israelis learned the lessons paid in blood of dozens of dead pilots.
      1. -1
        13 January 2013 22: 29
        Aaron Zawi
        This is not my assessment, this is a quote from here:
        http://shaon.livejournal.com/107659.html
        1. -1
          13 January 2013 22: 43
          Oh how often he goes too far. Agitation is cleaner than Soviet.
    2. OSTAP BENDER
      +4
      12 January 2013 23: 04
      Quote: barmaley
      The Israeli army achieved an impressive victory in the air and on the ground due to a whole range of factors:

      This factor is the Zionist lobby in the USA !!!!!
      1. -2
        13 January 2013 00: 58
        OSTAP BENDER
        Is the Abkhaz victory in 1992 on Georgians primarily Abkhaz lobi in Moscow or the courage and skillful actions of Abkhaz soldiers and officers?
        1. OSTAP BENDER
          +1
          13 January 2013 01: 32
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          OSTAP BENDERThe victory of the Abkhaz in 1992 against the Georgians is it primarily the Abkhaz lobby in Moscow or the courage and skillful actions of the Abkhaz soldiers and officers?

          Well, tell Aron, why x .... n I Abkhaz? I'm talking about the Jewish lobby in the USA !!!!! In SyShyA, and you scratch me about Abkhazia !!! Aron is "chutzpah", right? Well, when will you get tired of talking nonsense? When you realize that by your behavior on this site, you are making you hate Jews! You and your company provoke members of the forum yourself! Or do you have such a task?
        2. Misantrop
          +2
          13 January 2013 01: 45
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          victory of Abkhazians in 1992 on Georgians

          This is which of the virtual realities of the Abkhazians in 1992, the Georgians won? I was there in the summer of the 93rd (in our reality), so Sukhumi wasn’t taken by that time either, fights were on the outskirts of the city recourse
  18. satellite
    +4
    12 January 2013 23: 28
    Yes, Jews lost planes (yes, yes, how sad it is for the "chosen" people). There you can use as much as you want ... I, but you are also people and also mortals.
    1. +2
      13 January 2013 00: 34
      In the 1973 year, losses on the battlefield amounted to 102 vehicles in 21 day. And 8 machines, returning to the airfields with severe damage, were deemed impractical to recover. When there were heavy losses, they were.
  19. +7
    12 January 2013 23: 34
    Such a noble discussion turned out !! With the participation of almost all the representatives on the site of the militant fraternity of the Jewish land. Well laid out, justified everything, brought links and arguments ... and it turns out that victory is theirs. But after the 83rd (30 years !!!), Syria lived on its own and didn’t really take a steam bath on the topic of foreign signs and teachers to live. And this will be more important than the question: F-15 shot down or wounded ... The situation is painfully repeated, but much more serious. They didn’t finish then, they want to kill now. It's time to recall the experience of those years (and take into account its mistakes), to give Syria the opportunity to live its own life and understand their own affairs. And do not be shy in the means and manners of behavior ... if necessary, and in the face with a teapot !!!
    1. +1
      13 January 2013 00: 55
      Akhtuba73 And that in 1982, someone attacked Syria? As far as I know, during the entire Israeli-Syrian conflict of 1982, not a single shell or plane flew over the Israeli-Syrian border. For the conflict of the 1982 of the year was the struggle of Israel against the PLO in the first place. And the defeat of the Syrian group in Lebanon was only one of the levers for this.
      1. Cavas
        +1
        13 January 2013 01: 09
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        And that in 1982, someone attacked Syria?

        Five more minutes and the anecdote of pimply will be repeated.
        Netangu (in this case Sharon) - PEACEKEEPER !!! wassat
        1. +1
          13 January 2013 01: 42
          Cavas
          The prime minister in 1982 was Menachem Begin. And he certainly was not a peacemaker, although he signed a peace treaty with Egypt. He was a tough leader who lost his entire family in the Brest ghetto and believed that his only task was to ensure the safety of the Jewish people. Not all but much he managed to do.
          1. Cavas
            0
            13 January 2013 01: 53
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            The Prime Minister in 1982 was Menachem Begin.

            Here, I absolutely care about who and where you were there, the main thing was done.
            Experience has shown that without a modern automated control system, stable noise immunity of radar and communication facilities, and the creation of the necessary radar field for aircraft, it is impossible to control modern aviation and air defense systems. The “truce” reached on June 11, 1982 did not last long. The Israelis used it to regroup their forces in Lebanon, the United States and its allies - to concentrate their fleets off the coast of Lebanon. On July 18, the Israelis violated the truce. In the Lebanese sky battles broke out again, on the ground - fierce tank battles. But success again did not accompany Israel. This is recognized even by former Defense Secretary Sharon. In the Namahane magazine, he wrote: “The fighting with the Syrians in the direction of the Damascus-Beirut road was stubborn and bloody. Unfortunately, this time we were not able to achieve the desired results. " The Americans came to the aid of the Israelis. They landed marines on the Lebanese coast, and part of the forces were sent to West Beirut. In the current situation of the USSR, it was necessary to do something more for Syria.
            1. Cavas
              0
              13 January 2013 01: 54
              In December, the sea blockade of the coast of Lebanon by joint forces (USA, England, France, Italy) began. Naval artillery, in cooperation with bomber aircraft, began to inflict massive attacks on the national-patriotic forces of Lebanon and the Syrian troops, which are defending in the mountainous areas of Sanina, covering the Damascus-Beirut highway, as well as on the Syrian troops defending in the Bekaa Valley. The Syrians launched a series of retaliatory strikes against the US naval group. They began to act against carrier-based aircraft. For six days, rocketers shot down nine American aircraft, including five A-6s, three F-14s, one F-4s, in addition, four Israeli and two French deck Super-Fmb (?). In the air battles on the MiG-23MLD, the Syrians shot down four Israeli aircraft (three F-15s and one F-4), without losing a single one. Before the blockade, the Americans used a massive unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, Firebi, over Syrian forces in Lebanon, as well as over Soviet air defense systems in Syria. The direct cover units, Osa, were shot down: 202 self-propelled guns — five unmanned aircraft, and the 231st regiment — six. A 202 self-propelled missile system launched one Hokai early warning aircraft at a range of 190 km. And the flights of the US and Israel ceased. The US press also spoke about the effectiveness of the Syrian air defense at this stage. In one of the sources it was written: "American artificial Earth satellites and aircraft equipped with the most advanced electronic equipment sent a huge amount of interference into the sky Matna (Lebanon, Jabel province), but the Syrian missiles were able to overcome them with great ease and hit all targets." And again: “Damascus is now ready for any surprise. The destruction of American aircraft and the capture of the American pilot Robert Gutman, attacks on the naval group, which forced the Americans and their allies to retreat to the shores of Cyprus, is not only a military, but also a political victory. “X Assad could not give an order for retaliatory actions if he did not rely on a firm belief in success.” US Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger began to threaten the battleship “New Jersey”. However, the Syrian Minister of War M. Tlas said: "American planes that shot down can also sink American ships." All prohibitions cease to apply when it comes to the life and honor of the motherland. " It became clear to everyone that Syria in 1983 was not the same Syria that it was in the late 70s. She could reject any threats.
            2. -1
              13 January 2013 12: 35
              And where is Sharon weakly recognizing a reference to Namahan? wink truthful you are ours
      2. +1
        13 January 2013 01: 30
        And if Syria had not been assisted by the Union at that time (as the article itself is about) Israel would have fought "against the PLO" in the suburbs of Damascus. The special attitude of Israel to the inviolability of borders has long been known to everyone ... We must - done, and let the whole world wait. (which is not bad for us to adopt)
  20. B52pilot
    -1
    13 January 2013 04: 13
    Whether one F-15 was lost or not is not the essence, you can bomb the wreckage, the newest aircraft for a while.
    In any case, Israel won the war (otherwise it would not exist now) including in the air, without this it is impossible to win on the ground. I specifically avoid the word "won" - you can win at cards, but you can only win a war.
  21. +2
    13 January 2013 12: 27
    Guys, personally, I have no doubt that Israel has one of the best armies in the world. The question is not who beat how many planes. It is important that Syria remained in Lebanon, as I recall. Those. Israeli and NATO military plans did not work. Saying that Israel was allegedly afraid of the nuclear bombing from the USSR is utter stupidity. So Syria itself fought back. Moreover, the foreign press itself wrote about good Syrian air defense. And now they are afraid of Syrian air defense, so do not meddle. So, the author of the article is right - ours worked well in Syria.
    Another question - what the hell is Israel all humbling? Assad will fall now - they will receive not a normal enemy at their side, but a bunch of scumbags. Meaning? Chtoli wanted a pepper? Extreme little? You would, the Israelis, on the contrary, stand up for Assad. And you along the way to the tune of the American dance yourself to death. Stupid.
    By the way, my respect to both Aaron and Karish and the Professor. I certainly do not have anything personal against you, your comments are very logical, but still I want to see clearly on some issues.
    1. Yarbay
      +1
      13 January 2013 12: 42
      Quote: Magadan
      It is important tha