Automation on wheels. Excalibur Army unveils Morana self-propelled howitzer

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SAU Morana at Eurosatory-2022

During the recent military-technical exhibition Eurosatory-2022 in France, the Czech company Excalibur Army (part of the Czechoslovak Group) for the first time presented the promising Morana self-propelled artillery mount. A full-fledged prototype was shown in the exhibition pavilion, which will soon be tested. It was built using modern components and up-to-date solutions, which is expected to provide high performance characteristics.

New at the exhibition


The “world premiere” of the new Czech self-propelled gun took place on June 13, on the opening day of Eurosatory-2022. Until June 17, visitors to the event could inspect the presented prototype and familiarize themselves with the disclosed information. At the same time, the Excalibur Army presented not only the new Morana self-propelled guns, but also several already known samples of this class, and there was an opportunity to compare them.



As reported, the self-propelled guns "Morana" is an initiative development of the Excalibur Army. The company carried out the overall coordination of work and designed some of the key elements. At the same time, the development of a swinging artillery unit with a gun was entrusted to the Slovak company ZTS Špeciál, also part of the Czechoslovak Group. The chassis with the required characteristics was provided by Tatra.

To date, the companies have completed the design and built the first prototype shown at the exhibition. In the near future, it must pass factory tests and confirm the design characteristics. After that, a full-fledged entry into the international market is expected.


First of all, customers will be offered a complete wheeled self-propelled gun assembly. In addition, Excalibur Army plans to sell combat modules separately. Probably, in this case, the company is ready to help the customer with the installation of his tower on a suitable chassis.

The timing of all the necessary tests and other activities has not yet been called. The experience of recent projects from the Excalibur Army and the Czechoslovak Group shows that this can take only a few years. After that, Morana's prospects will depend only on the availability of orders.

Technical features


The Morana product is a self-propelled artillery mount on a wheeled cargo chassis. In general architecture, this machine is similar to a number of other modern self-propelled guns. At the same time, the project uses a number of important ideas and solutions aimed at improving combat performance and qualities. In particular, the fighting compartment of this self-propelled guns is actually a stand-alone module and can be used on different platforms.

The self-propelled gun in its exhibition form is built on the Tatra Force (815-7) chassis. This is a four-axle all-wheel drive cabover machine with the ability to accommodate various loads. The customer can choose an engine model up to 400 hp. and compatible transmission. What configuration was used in the construction of the Morana self-propelled guns is not specified. The chassis is equipped with hydraulic jacks for hanging before firing.


The chassis is equipped with an armored cab with a distinctive appearance. Level 2 protection according to NATO standards is declared - the armor must withstand shelling from machine guns and undermining 6 kg of TNT under the wheel or bottom. A collective system of protection against weapons of mass destruction is envisaged. The cabin is made in two rows and has four crew seats, each with its own door.

Behind the cockpit there is a hardware compartment, and the aft part of the chassis is given over to the original fighting compartment. The latter is an automatic remote-controlled armored turret with all the necessary devices. The compartment is made partially autonomous: it has backup power supplies and additional crew seats.

The tower is guided horizontally within + 60 ° to the right and left of the neutral position. In the frontal part there is a gun mount with guidance from -3 ° to + 70 °. It has a 155-mm rifled howitzer gun with a 52-klb barrel. The barrel has an overall muzzle brake; The chamber complies with modern NATO standards. Shutter type unknown.

The Morana is equipped with a 40 round automatic loader. Another 5 shells and charges are stored in additional stacks and can be transferred to the machine by the crew. Separate charging is used with a propellant charge in caps. As reported, when receiving a command to prepare a shot, the machine gun delivers a projectile and a full charge to the firing line, and then removes the extra caps and sends them to the chamber.


Combat module in raised position

In salvo mode, the machine gun gives a rate of fire of up to 6 rds / min. With continuous shooting, this parameter is reduced to 5 rds / min. The maximum range of fire is declared at the level of 41,5 km - when using active rockets with improved aerodynamics.

For self-defense, a remotely controlled combat module is installed on the tower. It is located in front of the compartment, to the right of the gun. In the stowed position, the module is retracted under the armor. This product is equipped with day and night optical means, as well as a 12,7-mm machine gun. The possibility of mounting a 14,5-mm KPVT product is declared, but this weapon redundant.

The Morana self-propelled guns receive modern means of communication, navigation, a weather station, a projectile velocity meter and a fire control system. The on-board computer monitors the location of the car and receives data on targets. After stopping at the firing position, the angles are calculated and the gun is aimed. From stopping to the first shot, 20-30 seconds pass, and most of this time is spent on the extension of the jacks. The self-propelled gun is intended for firing from closed positions, incl. in a barrage of fire. Direct fire is also possible. In this case, DBM optics are used as a sight.

The regular crew of "Morana" includes three people - the driver, the commander-gunner, the manager of the fighting compartment, and the gunner-operator of the combat module. If necessary, the crew is reinforced by a fourth gunner. On the march and during normal firing, they are all in the cockpit. In an emergency situation, two gunners can go to their jobs in the tower and continue to work. All basic operations, including the supply of shells, they will have to perform manually.

Automation on wheels. Excalibur Army unveils Morana self-propelled howitzer

New Technologies


In general, the Morana project is another attempt to create a modern wheeled self-propelled gun with howitzer weapons and maximum automation of all processes. In this regard, the new self-propelled gun differs little from other projects of the Excalibur Army and other companies. However, this project has an important innovation of great interest.

In accordance with the latest trends, an original autonomous fighting compartment was developed for the Morana self-propelled guns - a tower with all the necessary instruments and means. Such a unit has important features and capabilities that can become a competitive advantage.

First of all, this is the fundamental possibility of mounting the tower on different platforms that have the necessary load capacity and power supply facilities. These can be truck chassis of various types, tracked vehicles, or even boats or small ships. Perhaps, the option of a stationary firing point will also be offered. Depending on the features of the carrier, the tower can be controlled remotely or from built-in workstations.

A long-barreled 155-mm gun, depending on the ammunition used, should show high fire performance. At the same time, its combat qualities are enhanced by automating the calculation of data, guidance and loading. The living operator is actually withdrawn from these processes, and all operations are performed automatically. This speeds up work and provides other known benefits.


In a curious way, the integration of a remotely controlled combat module was completed. In the Morana project, it is used not only as a means of self-defense, but also as part of the fire control system. With the help of standard optics for DBMS, it is proposed to search for targets and control the gun in direct fire mode.

However, ACS is not without obvious shortcomings. Basically, these are problems specific to wheeled self-propelled guns in general. These include a decrease in the chassis resource due to loads and vibrations during firing, low survivability of automotive units and chassis during shelling, limited horizontal aiming angles, etc. It should also be noted that the automation of key systems is associated with certain technical risks that may manifest themselves at any stage.

Alleged superiority


The presented project of the Morana wheeled self-propelled guns is, at least, of technical interest. Using well-known and new ideas, Czech and Slovak companies have managed to obtain a high level of automation and a range of related possibilities. Thanks to this, the new fighting compartment compares favorably with other modern modules with howitzer weapons, and due to this, the Morana self-propelled guns as a whole can outperform its competitors.

However, the calculated characteristics of the self-propelled gun and its turret with weapons have not yet been confirmed by full tests. If the Morana self-propelled guns cope with these tasks and show their best side, orders should be expected. How soon this will happen is unclear, but Excalibur Army and Czechoslovak Group are looking to the future with optimism. Whether customers share this opinion - time will tell.
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  1. +2
    28 June 2022 16: 11
    Deep modernization of Dana-Zyuzanna.
    1. +2
      28 June 2022 23: 47
      Feel the moment.
      The rearmament of NATO is coming.
      Want to get a piece of the market
  2. +6
    28 June 2022 16: 17
    I don’t believe in the great future of the military-industrial complex of the Czech Republic and Slovakia, even if the Morana self-propelled guns project turns out to be successful. The fact is that the production of weapons is the prerogative of strong countries. The United States rules here and it depends on them "how successful" this model of self-propelled guns
    1. +12
      28 June 2022 16: 27
      The United States is in charge here, and it depends on them "how successful" this model of self-propelled guns

      The United States can agree on an order for, say, a thousand of such howitzers for a dozen and a half "native armies" of Eastern Europe...
      They will soon "run out" of Soviet self-propelled guns, they still cannot afford American self-propelled guns, tracked ones are, in principle, redundant for the "natives", and the infrastructure will not pull ...
      And so - a lot, quite quickly, not very expensive, production and service centers are close ....
      In the event of joint action, the same United States will distribute high-precision long-range projectiles to them to simplify logistics ...
      hi
    2. +7
      28 June 2022 16: 27
      The real war greatly revived interest in this type of weapon. It seems that we are witnessing a renaissance of artillery. The same Ukrainians require more artillery than tanks.
      1. -1
        28 June 2022 17: 17
        Here the Sumerians will demand to produce the first batch for themselves.
      2. +1
        28 June 2022 18: 24
        This is for now ... now there are positional battles where art and god and king rolled into one. What will happen next, time will tell.
        1. +4
          28 June 2022 19: 02
          The Ukrainians claim that our columns were stopped at the first phase of the special operation by artillery. A drone or quadcopter plus artillery showed unprecedented efficiency. When you see that a column of equipment is being shot at a distance of 20 km in real time, you understand that the time for tank breakthroughs has passed.
          1. -1
            28 June 2022 19: 50
            If the time for tank breakthroughs has passed, then your only option is to switch to bicycles, and in winter to skis. wassat
          2. 0
            30 June 2022 14: 14
            It is tank breakthroughs that are designed to prevent this. Break through and iron the positions of enemy artillery with caterpillars.
          3. 0
            15 September 2022 06: 44
            Tank breakthroughs never work if there is no air superiority. Stormtroopers and bombers mole artillery like a god to a turtle. The Iraqi army had more than a dofiga of artillery, did it help them a lot? No, it was corny taken out of the air. The Air Force carries out COVER for tank and motorized rifle units, and attacks on pockets of resistance. tank and motorized rifle units break through the front with the support of artillery. Here is the attack formula. If you do not have one component, there will be no result. And the Russian Air Force is too small (thanks to the "Only twin-engine aircraft" concept) to provide airworthiness even over Banderastan, not to mention the full protection of the VERY long borders of Russia. If Russia had air supremacy, the Khokhloschwein artillery would have been safely blown to dust by air strikes. But he wasn't. The air defense was not suppressed, even the relatively new air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. There is talk in the USA that the F-16 Block 52 will be delivered to the Hohloiens by winter. I hope your command will draw the appropriate conclusions.
          4. 0
            20 March 2024 22: 58
            Quote from Valio
            The Ukrainians claim that our columns were stopped at the first phase of the special operation by artillery. A drone or quadcopter plus artillery showed unprecedented efficiency. When you see that a column of equipment is being shot at a distance of 20 km in real time, you understand that the time for tank breakthroughs has passed.

            There is no need to confuse tanks moving in a column along the highway and tanks going for a breakthrough.
        2. 0
          29 July 2022 12: 08
          And in maneuverable battles, art is even "divine" :)
    3. +7
      28 June 2022 16: 31
      "... the production of weapons is the prerogative of strong countries"

      The question, it seems to me, is primarily in a different plane: in the marginality of the project, i.e. Czechs will also be satisfied with a small margin, unlike transnational concerns.
      one more thing: the weapons are of high quality, and therefore there will be buyers ...
    4. -2
      28 June 2022 21: 18
      Quote: APASUS
      The fact is that the production of weapons is the prerogative of strong countries

      Is this Germany?
  3. +2
    28 June 2022 16: 26
    The tower is guided horizontally within + 60 ° to the right and left of the neutral position. In the frontal part there is a gun mount with guidance from -3 ° to + 70 °

    It is not clear how in a vertical plane it can be induced from -3 °, the car's cabin will not allow it. If the tower turned 180 ° back, then yes, these -3 ° are easy, but ....
    1. +1
      28 June 2022 16: 33
      Quote: YOUR
      It is not clear how in a vertical plane it can be induced from -3 °, the car's cabin will not allow it. If the tower turned 180 ° back, then yes, these -3 ° are easy, but ....

      60 aside, -3 down... no?
      1. 0
        28 June 2022 16: 49
        Quote: Repellent
        60 aside, -3 down... no?

        And the target at this time is at a zero angle
        1. +1
          28 June 2022 17: 01
          Quote: YOUR
          And the target at this time is at a zero angle

          At 30-0? Well, it's not destiny laughing

          But seriously, if it's a howitzer. Self-propelled. As it rises, there will be a goal.
          1. +8
            28 June 2022 18: 40
            A couple more angles of this howitzer
    2. +4
      28 June 2022 16: 45
      It is not clear how in the vertical plane it can be induced from -3 °

      And most importantly WHY?
      It's a howitzer!
      Theoretically, in sectors + 60 + 30 degrees (respectively, in negative ones) it can, as here:

      But why "goat button accordion"?
      Maybe we are talking about a combat module (shoot a crawling saboteur)?
      It is not clear where this Auto took.
      1. -1
        28 June 2022 18: 20
        Why theoretically? Our "Msta" is sort of like a howitzer, but it can also hit with direct fire.
        1. 0
          28 June 2022 19: 04
          Quote: Alexey Sedykin
          Why theoretically? Our "Msta" is sort of like a howitzer, but it can also hit with direct fire.

          don't know. maybe and maybe, maybe "like"
          WHY WOULD A HOWitzER FIRE DIRECTLY (OR MORE COOLER -3 DEGREES TO THE HORIZON)?
          You can also hammer nails with a microscope ... but what's the point?
          1. +2
            28 June 2022 21: 14
            Quote from TreeSmall
            but what's the point?

            What's the problem? It's one thing if something important is paid for such an opportunity, it's another if you just eat and eat. The ability to shoot direct fire from 155mm is rare, but why not? In antiamphibious defense, do not go far?
          2. 0
            30 June 2022 14: 17
            Self defense times.
            Complex reliefs two. In the mountains, this may well come in handy.
            1. 0
              30 June 2022 14: 24
              Self defense times.

              Howitzer? Under your feet 155 mm belay
              Complex reliefs two. In the mountains, this may well come in handy.

              belay
              There, mortar and howitzer trajectories are needed. Flat and with negative one (-3 degrees), I can’t even imagine the situation.
              Unless, out of stupidity, someone will drag you to Everest
              1. 0
                30 June 2022 14: 43
                Exactly. You work calmly in the field, and here from the ravine is a jihadmobile with 12,7.
                Run late. Nobody to cover.
                Well, according to the nationality of the gun, there will not be a jihadmobile, but a pair of BMDs. But I don't want to think about that possibility.
                Not on Everest, of course, but from a hill, it is sometimes necessary to hit direct fire in the mountains.
                1. 0
                  30 June 2022 14: 53
                  In the field "calmly" alone? None of the calculations work that way.
                  If a friend ran into (some kind of stranger) an Art calculation: he will be destroyed by small arms fire.
                  A howitzer (all the more so) does not work on enemy territory, it does not even work directly on the front line.
                  Where does a jihad mobile or an enemy bmd come from - a mystery of a gloomy mind.
                  Not a single howitzer will be able to escort a moving target for direct fire.
                  This is some kind of nonsense.
                  Let's still pull the UAV shooting by the ears (those howitzer anti-aircraft guns)
                  Exactly. You work calmly in the field and here from

                  heaven Savik with a grenade or bayraktar with a bomb! How do you like this option, since it pulls in this direction. It is an order of magnitude more real than a jihad mobile behind the front line in the rear ☝️
                  your answer?
                  1. +1
                    30 June 2022 15: 20
                    See how the Ukrainian artillery works. And she works very well. Unfortunately. And it's hard to deal with it.
                    Lone gun mounts scattered across the open spaces of medium rugged terrain. Worked out. Ran away. Worked out. Ran away. Practical cover is not visible. In such a situation, being able to fire direct fire at a sudden threat is a good bonus. Plus it's almost free. The tool needs to be lowered anyway to work as a banner.
                    By sights in the article everything is said. The sight DUMB is used.
                    Leave fantasies about air defense howitzers for those who experience howitzers for these purposes. Good luck by the way.
                    1. 0
                      30 June 2022 15: 38
                      Everything is pointless: lowering the barrel for reloading / "cleaning" and a direct fire shot (or even more so with a negative Kvm).
                      Two different things. Do not pull an owl on a globe
                      Lone gun mounts scattered across the open spaces of medium rugged terrain. Worked out. Ran away. Worked out. Ran away.

                      And where are our jihad mobiles, bmd, dshb, airborne troops?
                      1. You are arguing for the sake of arguing.
                      Not Asinus Buridani inter duo prata of course, but very similar. All arguments are so-so, far-fetched by the ears of this Buridan animal. Not a single live example, not a single real situation
                      2. Sights, any will not let the howitzer hit a moving target.
                      3. I have a feeling that the author lied and wrote absolute nonsense: neither at the exhibition nor on the manufacturer’s website is there Inna about the possibility of such shooting,
                      And it's not at all
                      Plus almost free

                      This is very expensive and greatly increases the mass, and reduces reliability.
                      1. 0
                        30 June 2022 15: 47
                        How does it add mass? How does this reduce reliability? How do you increase the price?
                        Let's leave the rest. One thing is clear. You can repeat "white" looking at "red", that is, "black".
                  2. 0
                    29 July 2022 12: 15
                    Any self-propelled guns easily accompanies and fires at a target moving on land, water, rails. For her, this is the usual regime. Direct hit.
          3. 0
            29 July 2022 12: 11
            Self-propelled guns can be dug into the front line, on the defensive. And there is only a straight line.
  4. 0
    28 June 2022 16: 35
    Quote: APASUS
    I don’t believe in the great future of the military-industrial complex of the Czech Republic and Slovakia, even if the Morana self-propelled guns project turns out to be successful. The fact is that the production of weapons is the prerogative of strong countries. The United States rules here and it depends on them "how successful" this model of self-propelled guns

    If this is so, then what can be expected from the overwhelming host competitor? If you imagine the little possible - it turned out to be a wonderful and superior piece of iron, then the absorption of the manufacturer by an American company will be mandatory. With the release of it under its own brand. Engaging in theft of ideas is petty. Amers have a large and positive way of absorption, and not theft.
    1. +6
      28 June 2022 17: 55
      If this is so, then what can be expected from the overwhelming host competitor? If you imagine the little possible - it turned out to be a wonderful and superior piece of iron, then the absorption of the manufacturer by an American company will be mandatory. With the release of it under its own brand. Engaging in theft of ideas is petty. Amers have a large and positive way of absorption, and not theft.

      For example, the "piranha" option: the conditional General Dynamics buys a Swiss manufacturer that has developed a successful armored personnel carrier ...
      After that, the machines, as it were, "Swiss" win the Pentagon competition (profit !!!), get the name "striker", for which whole new types of brigades are formed ...
      At the same time, this "Swissman" (suddenly !!!) makes "variations on a theme" called "piranha" for Europeans ....
      Moreover, the status of an "independent European" manufacturer allows you to pursue a comfortable policy (bingo!): Denmark wants to transfer Swiss "piranhas" to Ukraine, and the Swiss, who supplied it with armored personnel carriers, are against it, they are not in NATO, the goals may not coincide ...

      hi
  5. sen
    +1
    28 June 2022 16: 40
    Automation on wheels. Excalibur Army unveils Morana self-propelled howitzer

    Well, why is it better than the Swedish 155-mm multi-purpose self-propelled artillery mount FH77 BW L52 "Archer"?
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_(САУ,_Швеция)
    1. +2
      28 June 2022 17: 48
      Well, why is it better than the Swedish 155-mm multi-purpose self-propelled artillery mount FH77 BW L52 "Archer"?
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_(САУ,_Швеция)
      Cheaper?
  6. +1
    28 June 2022 16: 41
    I wonder how many shots such systems are designed for until the moment when the chassis starts to break and crumble from recoil
    1. 0
      30 June 2022 14: 19
      And why should she tear and crumble????
    2. +1
      30 June 2022 16: 01
      Now they have come up with smart retractable ones that allow you to fire from a 120 mm mortar mounted on a jeep.
      And the running jeep does not fall apart.
      1. 0
        30 June 2022 18: 38
        Well, anyway, there is some kind of resource, that's interesting + - what
  7. sen
    +1
    28 June 2022 16: 52
    Too expensive. As shown by the SVO in Ukraine, there should be a lot of artillery and, accordingly, the price should be within reasonable limits, and you can’t do many of them.
    1. +4
      28 June 2022 18: 26
      Why don't you do it? In the modern economy, development and implementation in production is expensive. The production itself works according to the principle - the larger the batch, the cheaper (much cheaper) the cost of a unit of production.
    2. +1
      28 June 2022 21: 11
      Quote: sen
      Too expensive

      Too expensive for who?
  8. +3
    28 June 2022 17: 05
    Morana - the goddess of the night, darkness and eternal sleep, gloomy like that, not like ours - Cornflower, Pinocchio, Acacia ....
    1. +5
      28 June 2022 18: 15
      Quote: faiver
      Morana - the goddess of the night, darkness and eternal sleep, gloomy like that, not like ours - Cornflower, Pinocchio, Acacia ....

      Genocide... ugh, Hyacinth.
  9. +4
    28 June 2022 17: 06
    Looks impressive, especially the coloring... wassat
    The main caliber is 155 mm, already, as it should be, NATO. And how much does this bandura itself weigh?
  10. +6
    28 June 2022 18: 14
    Price is also likely to be critical. The Czechs, together with the Slovaks, also produced high-quality weapons for the Warsaw Pact troops. After 1989, the president canceled everything, we lost markets, but we had a president who could kiss the ass of those in power. Although this is a deep adaptation of Dana and Zuzana, (Dana a Zuzana) the parameters are decent. Let's see, maybe the day will come when we will be freed from the shackles of colonization. am
  11. +3
    28 June 2022 18: 14
    I can’t say anything about the gun, there is no special data. And photo camouflage is very interesting.
    1. +1
      29 July 2022 12: 20
      Camouflage "deforming" contours. Peeped from the fleet. Ships were painted this way back in WWI
      1. 0
        29 July 2022 17: 13
        I know this ... it's just the first time I see such a land technique
        1. 0
          30 July 2022 13: 01
          Yes, it is rare.
  12. 0
    28 June 2022 18: 52
    Quote: Negruz
    If this is so, then what can be expected from the overwhelming host competitor? If you imagine the little possible - it turned out to be a wonderful and superior piece of iron, then the absorption of the manufacturer by an American company will be mandatory. With the release of it under its own brand. Engaging in theft of ideas is petty. Amers have a large and positive way of absorption, and not theft.

    For example, the "piranha" option: the conditional General Dynamics buys a Swiss manufacturer that has developed a successful armored personnel carrier ...
    After that, the machines, as it were, "Swiss" win the Pentagon competition (profit !!!), get the name "striker", for which whole new types of brigades are formed ...
    At the same time, this "Swissman" (suddenly !!!) makes "variations on a theme" called "piranha" for Europeans ....
    Moreover, the status of an "independent European" manufacturer allows you to pursue a comfortable policy (bingo!): Denmark wants to transfer Swiss "piranhas" to Ukraine, and the Swiss, who supplied it with armored personnel carriers, are against it, they are not in NATO, the goals may not coincide ...

    hi

    I can give another example. History with computers (then they were called so), IBM-350. It was developed by some European company, the Netherlands, or (I don’t remember exactly) a small-scale other country. But for production, we need capacities for the production of the most precise mechanics. The company didn't pull. States tried to buy a license for production. It turned out to be expensive. Then the States bought the company. She worked neither shaky nor rolls, and this deal turned out to be cheaper. Having named the machine IBM-350, they began to make it at the facilities of this company, pouring in loot and raising production capabilities.
    1. -5
      28 June 2022 20: 49
      at the "small Netherlands", as you put it,
      GDP is 5 (five) times higherthan ours (Fiscal 2020 data).
      52 300 against 10 100 USD.
      this is in 2020, when the ruble was a convertible currency.
      Now it (the ruble) is non-convertible,
      so the course it does not matter.

      It is a we for them none and call us in no way.
      1. +4
        29 June 2022 06: 51
        For 2020, Russia in the global ranking of GDP is in 6th place after Germany and is almost the same with it .... but if you look at the most interesting statistics and data not on virtual GDP ... but on the real industrial production of countries in the world and what share of the real industrial production of countries is a share of GDP, then we will see depressing figures for Europe and the USA. On paper, they turned out to be the most powerful economies in terms of virtually inflated GDP with financial bubbles and speculation on stock exchanges and markets in real life in the USA ... Japan ... Germany and the entire EU, the volume of real industrial production is less than in Russia. That is, in these countries, the GDP is inflated not by production .. but by virtual speculation on the stock exchanges and stock markets with the inflation of a financially fraudulent bubble.
        Therefore, if we look at the figures of real industrial production to Starna GDP, we will see the following
        China with a share of industrial production to GDP of 40.5%
        South Korea - 39.3%
        Russia - 32.4%
        Germany - 30.7%
        Japan - 30.1%
        EU (European Union) - 25.1%
        India - 23.0%
        USA - 19.1%
        1. +1
          29 June 2022 11: 57
          This is a classic case of manipulating numbers and lying in your pocket. Ru has a stronger industry as a percentage of its economy than traditional industrialized EU countries such as Germany or the Czech Republic, but only to the extent that you don't have to look at the structure of these numbers.

          The industry is divided into 1) manufacturing, 2) mining (which is further divided into export, drilling, etc.), simplifying, because in Russia it is mainly about these two.
          1) Production is 35% in Russia, which is further divided into metallurgy 9%, coal and refined petroleum products 9%, food, beverages and tobacco 8%, chemicals 4%, machinery and products 4%, transport 4%, electricity generation 4 % etc.
          2) mining has 65% and is divided into gross mining 35% and all around mining 29%.

          Even in the manufacturing industry, Russia is mainly focused on the dull production of raw materials, no higher value added. In the 10 largest "industrial" companies in Russia, there is not a single one that would not receive a profit, and up to 98% of the profitability of the entire sector falls only on mining. By the way, although the mining industry is the only one that really exists and works in Russia, most people are employed in the rest, i.e. in that gives 2% profit. Burials of socialism, preserved within the Russian and other backward / sanctions markets, often existentially dependent on financial incentives from the budget (ergo from oil production).
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        3. +1
          30 June 2022 16: 06
          The despicable "service sector" includes: patents, licenses, scientific and applied developments. laughing
          Actually, they are the economic strength of the United States.
      2. +1
        29 June 2022 21: 04
        Quote: DKuznecov
        at the "small Netherlands", as you put it,
        GDP is 5 (five) times higherthan ours (Fiscal 2020 data).
        52 300 against 10 100 USD.
        this is in 2020.
        Then there will be no difficulty for Holland with their "beyond cloud GDP" to buy gas for 1500-2000 $ per thousand cubic meters.
        bully
        "Winter is coming" - Gazprom warns...
        1. 0
          30 June 2022 10: 15
          Quote: cat Rusich
          Then for Holland with their "over cloud GDP" it will not be difficult to buy gas at $1500-2000 per thousand cubic meters.

          There really will be no difficulties, but there is one more nuance. In 2013, the Netherlands produced twice as much gas as it needed and was a major exporter, but has since cut production by a factor of 4 for political reasons. Now the production of the Netherlands covers a little more than half of the needs, the rest until recently was closed by Gazprom, now - LNG. There is a lot of talk about the need to issue the Order of Alexander Nevsky to Merkel for planting Germany on a gas pipe, but the achievements of the permanent Prime Minister of the Netherlands Rutte in this area are even more amazing.
          1. +1
            30 June 2022 13: 39
            but since then they have reduced production by 4 times for political reasons

            The people who live there have told me in a personal conversation that because of gas production, the residential area has begun to subside, often in the most densely built-up areas. Whether this is considered an invention of eco-activists, I don’t know.
            1. -1
              30 June 2022 14: 16
              Yes, there is such a conversation - that there were geological problems. However, there is some doubt that stopping production was the only solution.

              By the way, all the time while gas production was falling off a cliff in the Netherlands, there was also a trial against a Boeing. Well done, cho.
              1. 0
                30 June 2022 14: 26
                The costs of democracy, as with nuclear power in Germany. The voter does not like it, if you please, take it into account or fly by with a whistle in the elections.
                1. +2
                  30 June 2022 14: 32
                  You see, I have some doubts that sitting first on a gas cooker and then on brown coal is exactly what the voter wanted. There is no need to exaggerate the role of the voter in history.
            2. +1
              29 July 2022 12: 26
              No wonder, even earthquakes have begun, the dam is threatening. The end of the Groningen field, they are closing it this year. Minus 25 cubic yards per year. From there, the rise in gas prices, even before the NWO.
    2. 0
      30 June 2022 00: 57
      States tried to buy a license for production. It turned out to be expensive. Then the States bought the company

      The firm turned out to be cheaper than a license?
      Somehow the causal relationship is broken ...
      There is an IBM 350 disk system
      https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/storage/storage_350.html
      and there
      Computer IBM 305 RAMAC
      http://www.ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/BRL61-ibm03.html#IBM-305-RAMAC
      Nowhere is there any mention of the "Gunilerland developer"
      It is very doubtful that in post-war starving Europe in 1955-1956 they could invent "something like that", and even produce it.
  13. +1
    28 June 2022 18: 55
    And I would not rush to conclusions. The Czech concern has been on the arms market for a long time and the products find their buyer, which means they are in demand. And as it was rightly noted here with our SVO and the demonstrative work of artillery, the demand for such systems will only increase. which is better. Art with mobility, but with mediocre cross-country ability or high cross-country ability work without jacks, but additional units are needed for transportation, moreover, they are specialized and bulky
    1. +2
      28 June 2022 20: 42
      Quote: Mikhail Maslov
      Yes, it's debatable which is better.

      Got it figured out a long time ago. Panzer divisions/brigades need tracked self-propelled guns to provide the same mobility as tanks on rough terrain. For all other cases - wheeled, which does not need tank tractors, pontoons, avionics, etc., not to mention the cost and resource of a civilian chassis. Since in the same US Army 2/3 of the brigades are light or striker, the niche for such vehicles is larger than for tracked ones.
  14. 0
    28 June 2022 19: 27
    =... there is a gun mount with guidance from -3° to +70°. =
    Looked at the photo. Who can explain - how you can bring -3 "
    1. +3
      28 June 2022 20: 46
      Turning the tower away from the cockpit.
  15. 0
    28 June 2022 20: 44
    armor must withstand ... detonation of 6 kg of TNT under the wheel or bottom

    Like we will drive through anti-tank minefields, shooting elegantly
    by the enemies? After undermining the wheels, we change calmly and move on?
    Oh yes.
    1. +1
      28 June 2022 20: 48
      For low-intensity conflicts, IEDs (not to be confused with APU) become the main threat to l / s. At the same time, the Khattabychs are not greedy, dropping a couple of 152mm shells, for example. So yes, serious mine protection is a must.
  16. +1
    28 June 2022 20: 57
    Quote: DKuznecov
    at the "small Netherlands", as you put it,
    GDP is 5 (five) times higherthan ours (Fiscal 2020 data).
    52 300 against 10 100 USD.
    this is in 2020, when the ruble was a convertible currency.
    Now it (the ruble) is non-convertible,
    so the course it does not matter.

    It is a we for them none and call us in no way.

    If you are in this neither ear nor snout, then .....
    GDP of the countries of the world - 2020 (in trillion US dollars)
    1. USA - 20,93
    2. China - 14,72
    3. Japan - 5,05
    4. Germany - 3,8
    5. UK - 2,71
    6. India - 2,71
    7. France - 2,6
    8. Italy - 1,88
    9. Canada - 1,64
    10. South Korea - 1,63
    11. Russia - 1,47
    12. Brazil - 1,43
    13. Australia - 1,36
    14. Spain - 1,28
    15. Mexico - 1,08
    16. Indonesia - 1,06
    17. Netherlands - 0,909
    18. Switzerland - 0,747
    19. Turkey - 0,719
    20. Saudi Arabia - 0,701
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_стран_по_ВВП_(ППС)
    In THIS list, Russia is in 6th place.


    Russia's figures are far from the truth. In fact, they are much higher. The fact is that the degree of capitalization of enterprises and all material assets is extremely low. If Russia's water, gas, factories, land and railroads (and everything else) were valued according to European standards, then GDP would be an order of magnitude higher.
    1. -2
      28 June 2022 21: 03
      Sort it out.
      GDP per capita.
      And there is no other indicator.
      Everyone can google, yes:
      "GDP (PPP) per capita is a macroeconomic indicator that reflects the market value of all final goods and services (taking into account purchasing power parity) produced in the country in a certain year, on average by one person (per capita). GDP (PPP ) per capita is a characteristic that determines the level of economic development of the country.
      Relative indicators - those that can be compared.
      Absolute figures cannot be compared.
      This is me as a person profile the highest I will say education.
      If you have a higher economics - declare,
      Let's talk about money, no question.
      1. +1
        29 June 2022 11: 59
        Judging by the table, Russia's share in world GDP is 3,07% - why is half the world sausages after the introduction of anti-Russian sanctions?
        Moreover, both in terms of energy and products, inert gases, titanium, uranium fuel, and so on.
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    3. 0
      28 June 2022 21: 30
      Colleague, we have not finished, I'm sorry.

      We will consider absolute
      Or relative indicators?
      Maybe we can define the ratio of indicators, the basis, so to speak?

      Do you really think that the efficiency of the economy
      can be expressed in absolute terms
      while showing a relative graph in the pictures?
      (that is, without being tied to anything).

      If yes, why?
      If not, why not?
      Thank you.
    4. +2
      29 June 2022 06: 50
      For 2020, Russia in the global ranking of GDP is in 6th place after Germany and is almost the same with it .... but if you look at the most interesting statistics and data not on virtual GDP ... but on the real industrial production of countries in the world and what share of the real industrial production of countries is a share of GDP, then we will see depressing figures for Europe and the USA. On paper, they turned out to be the most powerful economies in terms of virtually inflated GDP with financial bubbles and speculation on stock exchanges and markets in real life in the USA ... Japan ... Germany and the entire EU, the volume of real industrial production is less than in Russia. That is, in these countries, the GDP is inflated not by production .. but by virtual speculation on the stock exchanges and stock markets with the inflation of a financially fraudulent bubble.
      Therefore, if we look at the figures of real industrial production to Starna GDP, we will see the following
      China with a share of industrial production to GDP of 40.5%
      South Korea - 39.3%
      Russia - 32.4%
      Germany - 30.7%
      Japan - 30.1%
      EU (European Union) - 25.1%
      India - 23.0%
      USA - 19.1%
  17. 0
    28 June 2022 21: 33
    Quote: DKuznecov
    Sort it out.
    GDP per capita.
    And there is no other indicator.
    Everyone can google, yes:
    "GDP (PPP) per capita is a macroeconomic indicator that reflects the market value of all final goods and services (taking into account purchasing power parity) produced in the country in a certain year, on average by one person (per capita). GDP (PPP ) per capita is a characteristic that determines the level of economic development of the country.
    Relative indicators - those that can be compared.
    Absolute figures cannot be compared.
    This is me as a person profile the highest I will say education.
    If you have a higher economics - declare,
    Let's talk about money, no question.

    So, you were issued a diploma in vain. Victim of the exam. Kohl confused in the definitions.


    What's the point of a family's European income if the prices are.... The picture is already outdated, but it's not newer. You will be able to compare YOURSELF (higher education does not hurt to understand?) how different living conditions are in different countries. In Russia, the price of gas has not changed much. But in Europe.....
    1. 0
      28 June 2022 21: 41
      I finished school in 1989.
      And the first higher - PGS in MISI.
      With the corresponding VUS.
      Second - Accounting, analysis and audit.
      Tell me about yourself please
      maybe I'm really critical.
    2. 0
      28 June 2022 21: 48
      Let's put the lyrics aside
      GDP PPP takes into account all special cases.
      It is a basic (because it's relative)
      indicator of the well-being of an individual citizen.
      You can throw at me tables of the cost of venison in the Arctic.
      Or gas in Labytnangi. Or caviar in Astrakhan.
      But: you drive along the roads, all over the country and they (roads),
      unfortunately not made from venison or red fish.
      Let's continue our constructive conversation,
      By the way, you have not introduced yourself yet, but the people are thirsty.
  18. +2
    28 June 2022 21: 53
    Quote: DKuznecov
    I finished school in 1989.
    And the first higher - PGS in MISI.
    With the corresponding VUS.
    Second - Accounting, analysis and audit.
    Tell me about yourself please
    maybe I'm really critical.

    I graduated from high school in 1962. Designer with a quarter of a century of experience. The rest, until retirement, is an instrumentation engineer. If you compare the whole with the parts, then, of course, education does not help you much. A country torn apart. To pull out only the spleen from a person and offer to live just like a healthy neighbor. Look for this data BEFORE 1991. You've fallen into the wrong side of error. Some compare the figures before 1913 with those after the Stalinist reforms. You are indicators of a WHOLE, not destroyed PERFORMANCE with a disabled person. Didn't your colleagues, the Gaidarites, bring you to such a state? It's up to you to fix this mess. DON'T forget that many generations of ECONOMISTS worked hard to destroy the economy of the USSR.
    1. 0
      28 June 2022 21: 59
      I'm really critical
      but it has nothing to do with you.
  19. 0
    28 June 2022 22: 17
    Quote: DKuznecov
    I'm really critical
    but it has nothing to do with you.

    I compared the same figures for 1990. The Netherlands is in 17th place, Russia is in 46th place. GDP per capita PPP differs by 2 times. It is not possible to dig further into history. I will try, but....
  20. 0
    28 June 2022 22: 20
    Quote: DKuznecov
    at the "small Netherlands", as you put it,
    GDP is 5 (five) times higher than ours (Fiscal 2020 data).
    52 versus 300 USD.

    Damn you. You write about one indicator, and give another. Talk about GDP (read yours carefully) And tsifiri- - .... per capita. Little swindler.
    1. -2
      28 June 2022 22: 53
      You are lying. Five times I have been told about
      GDP at PPP, another indicator for comparison
      just doesn't exist. Gross GDP as an absolute value
      does not reflect anything. Nothing at all.
      It would never have occurred to me to give absolute figures,
      for this I asked you about knowledge.

      Although for you, as I understand it, any three first letters
      mean the same thing.
  21. DJ
    0
    28 June 2022 22: 47
    Wheelbase? It is interesting. For heavy artillery. Adequate designers put guns on tracked chassis.
  22. 0
    28 June 2022 23: 17
    Quote: DKuznecov
    You are lying. Five times I have been told about
    GDP at PPP, another indicator for comparison
    just doesn't exist. Gross GDP as an absolute value
    does not reflect anything. Nothing at all.
    It would never have occurred to me to give absolute figures,
    for this I asked you about knowledge.

    Although for you, as I understand it, any three first letters
    mean the same thing.

    For whom did I bring the text of the comment? Or have you already forgotten how to read your texts? I wanted to laugh it off, but I need a mat. Where is your conscience, liar?
    1. 0
      3 July 2022 23: 53
      For myself. In your "space"
      you can exist
      in "absolute" terms.
      Five posts I'm trying to explain to you
      that absolute tsyfiri do not carry anything.
      I said everything. This time.
      I already said everything. This is two.
      You will dare others if you have enough strength.
      By the way, did you notice that the respected community
      topvara does not plus your nonsense?
      I am not loved here, but for other reasons.
      Here - we are all men, with our own opinion,
      sometimes - not the most beautiful, but their own.
      In general, do not anger and do not provoke me.
      I can get angry.
  23. -2
    28 June 2022 23: 44
    The Czechs made another beautiful and expensive anti-partisan race. Too long thing, too bulky, wheeled chassis, high profile, large, recognizable dimensions.
    It is very impressive in parades and ostentatious firing, in a real combat situation, this product will be a real hemorrhoids for a side that is at war with an enemy that is at least slightly capable of responding, with at least some kind of reconnaissance capabilities from the air and at least some kind of ability to strike from the air.
    Good art is not just mobile art - it's art that can be invisible
  24. 0
    29 June 2022 13: 00
    Malva was thrown away!!!!!
    Instead of booking the top, we need to start buoyancy, there in Ukraine, a river on a river.
  25. 0
    29 June 2022 14: 08
    Outwardly, the eye, of course, turned out pretty
  26. 0
    29 June 2022 15: 32
    Quote: Skipper
    For 2020, Russia in the global ranking of GDP is in 6th place after Germany and is almost the same with it .... but if you look at the most interesting statistics and data not on virtual GDP ... but on the real industrial production of countries in the world and what share of the real industrial production of countries is a share of GDP, then we will see depressing figures for Europe and the USA. On paper, they turned out to be the most powerful economies in terms of virtually inflated GDP with financial bubbles and speculation on stock exchanges and markets in real life in the USA ... Japan ... Germany and the entire EU, the volume of real industrial production is less than in Russia. That is, in these countries, the GDP is inflated not by production .. but by virtual speculation on the stock exchanges and stock markets with the inflation of a financially fraudulent bubble.
    Therefore, if we look at the figures of real industrial production to Starna GDP, we will see the following
    China with a share of industrial production to GDP of 40.5%
    South Korea - 39.3%
    Russia - 32.4%
    Germany - 30.7%
    Japan - 30.1%
    EU (European Union) - 25.1%
    India - 23.0%
    USA - 19.1%

    I have been talking for a long time and to no avail that considering these tables without understanding the STRUCTURE of countries' GDP is an empty business. And, scourge of the USSR's GDP, he wrote that, for example, the finally built BAM gave the country an increase in GDP by several billion rubles, spinning up inflation, however, it did not become a commodity. The product is what returns the money. Upturned virgin soil ..... Assigned a million tons of cotton ..... I don’t know much about the soap bubbles of the enemy economy. I'm talking about my sore.
  27. 0
    29 July 2022 12: 02
    Well, I don’t understand collesnie self-propelled guns. If there were caterpillars, then yes. But to tightly connect the wheeled tractor and the gun!? How many structural compromises need to be made, how many tactics need to be abandoned ... For what? No wonder the military doesn't buy.
    1. 0
      8 September 2022 17: 44
      I’m telling you - it’s paramount to create a KAZ for aircraft (so that missile air defense doesn’t bother at all), and it will be possible to humiliate all these howitzers from the air.
  28. 0
    26 August 2022 13: 07
    Dana with whistles and fakes. And yes, design processing
  29. 0
    27 August 2022 23: 11
    There will be a problem with the metal, and the furnaces will cool down, the gas will be yok, it will be possible to extract the meat from the manure.
  30. 0
    8 September 2022 17: 40
    It looks like a crane hung with armor, from which an arrow was torn off and a gun was put there.
    And okay, so I don’t see the supports that the cranes have.
    The center of mass is clearly high, and in the absence of props and a shot to the side, the car can lie down.
  31. 0
    13 October 2022 14: 51
    Excellent product. By no means only counterguerrilla. Main questions:
    Purchase/Operation price.
    Passability on different soils.
    Dig a big cover under it :)). If you don’t dig and work from a stationary position, but by the type of shot you run away, you can, but there is a need, say, in the Urals with a BC that will accompany the car.
    The mechanisms are all duplicated, real combat survivability - with a direct hit, and the tank dematerializes from 155 mm OFS. Protection of the cockpit of 60 meters from fragments of 155 unmanaged OFS is quite enough. Tires can be bulletproof.
    It would be nice to see the results of combat use. Problems of wheeled self-propelled guns and the like, in particular, in the same Ukraine.