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The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine recognized the loss of Severodonetsk, Voronovo and Borovsky

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The General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in its evening report admitted the loss of the Armed Forces of Severodonetsk. Earlier, this kind of recognition was made by the so-called "head of the Luhansk regional military administration" Sergei Gaidai. The messages of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine literally say the following:


Ukrainian troops retreated from Severodonetsk.

At the same time, it is not specified exactly where they “withdrew”, given that the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine also recognizes the losses of other settlements by the Ukrainian troops.

It is reported that, in addition to Severodonetsk, all settlements in its vicinity passed under the control of the Russian army and the NM of the LPR. This is not only Sirotino and Voronovo, but also Borovskoye, which Ukrainian militants tried to hold on to. Borovskoye is located approximately 2-3 km from the outskirts of Severodonetsk in the southeast direction.



Russian troops took a large number of trophies there, including Swedish and German-made grenade launchers, machine guns made in Belgium and the United States, and other infantry weapons. Several units of armored vehicles were shot down, including a BMP of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on which a group of Ukrainian military tried to escape from the fire bag.

Thus, all territories of the LPR on the left (northern) bank of the Seversky Donets are completely liberated. Less than 2% of the territory of the republic remains, which includes Lisichansk, where the resistance of the troops of the Kyiv regime remains. The Russian army is already operating in city blocks. Ukrainian militants have lost their last chance to gain a foothold in this city for a long time.

In addition, Russian troops, together with fighters of the People's Militia of the DPR, are advancing towards Raygorodok and Slavyansk from the northwest. Recall that earlier in this direction, the settlement of Sidorovo passed under the control of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, from which it is only a few kilometers to the outskirts of Slavyansk.
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  1. Sergio_7
    Sergio_7 25 June 2022 19: 54
    +13
    The fact is obvious .... anyway, everyone would know about it!
    1. Anachoret
      Anachoret 25 June 2022 20: 34
      +37
      What will be announced next ukroreyhom?
      1. oh, Odessa is almost not Ukraine
      2. You might think that Kharkiv is Ukraine
      3. Come on, Kyiv is not the whole of Ukraine))
      And further down the list in the direction of the Polish border))
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 25 June 2022 21: 41
        +8
        Odessa is subsidized and unpromising, and Nikolaev was a ballast in general.
        1. Emergency
          Emergency 25 June 2022 23: 05
          +7
          I’ll also brag about how they cunningly “pushed” Odessa and Nikolaev to the Muscovites, who only got in the way under their feet and did not allow them to quickly rush to the European “paradise”.
        2. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 26 June 2022 09: 13
          +1
          If it were possible to put not a simple plus but a bold plus, I would put it. therefore in words. We in Crimea were simply nightmare that you are a subsidized region, you ask the question: why are you going to work for us and not us for you? Well, we're freeloaders. dumb answer. How many of their builders were here, cooks, waiters, bartenders, it’s impossible to describe in a fairy tale with a pen.
          1. Plate
            Plate 26 June 2022 10: 25
            0
            There are also official statistics, who is subsidized and who is a donor. So Crimea is listed there as subsidized. Builders, cooks and others come to where the money is, regardless of the origin of this same money.
            1. Alexander Salenko
              Alexander Salenko 26 June 2022 11: 05
              0
              Yeah, here you go to the website of the Inkerman winery and read the address: Kyiv, Metallistov street 20. Inkerman is not much not in Kyiv, but near Sevastopol, so you know where you can put the statistics?
              I do not earn from the budget, but from commercial activities, like many of my fellow countrymen. and do not believe we have our own industry and our own agriculture, what are you trying to tell me? The fact that Moscow is the most hardworking city?
              1. Plate
                Plate 26 June 2022 11: 15
                -2
                Well, with commercial activities you earn. How does this prevent the region from being subsidized? In your opinion, since it is subsidized, does it mean that there is no commerce in it? And the presence of industry with agriculture subsidization does not cancel. Why would? All I'm trying to tell you is that Crimea sends less money to the center than it receives from there. I think that Moscow is a donor not because of diligence, but because the Lubyanka is right in it.
                1. Alexander Salenko
                  Alexander Salenko 26 June 2022 11: 58
                  +1
                  Of course I earn money, and even if, for example, I evade taxes, I spend one hell of a lot of money here and the shops pay taxes, it was like that in Ukraine.
                  They don’t go to subsidized regions to earn money, what don’t you understand? Under Russia, by the way, they also come to us to work, now we are a subsidized region. The Taurida highway and the Crimea bridge will not soon be recouped with money, but it was the Crimean group that turned out to be the most successful during the NWO, the only one where we didn’t have to retreat, but that’s a military issue
                  And we feed ourselves, it is not you who feed us personally, once again, we, for the most part, do not live from taxes and not from subsidies.
              2. isv000
                isv000 26 June 2022 12: 10
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Salenko
                Yeah, here you go to the website of the Inkerman winery and read the address: Kyiv, Metallistov street 20. Inkerman is not much not in Kyiv, but near Sevastopol, so you know where you can put the statistics?
                I do not earn from the budget, but from commercial activities, like many of my fellow countrymen. and do not believe we have our own industry and our own agriculture, what are you trying to tell me? The fact that Moscow is the most hardworking city?

                Limited Liability Company "Inkerman" Legal address: 111622, Moscow, st. Bolshaya Kosinskaya, 27 building 6, room. 656, floor 2 PSRN 5137746124357 TIN 7720797640 KPP 772001001 OKVED 41.20.
  2. Igor Malyshev
    Igor Malyshev 25 June 2022 19: 56
    +7
    It turns out they were allowed to leave quietly in exchange for peacekeepers at Azot?
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 25 June 2022 20: 01
      -11
      As I understand it, they just escaped from the boilers and that's it.
      1. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 25 June 2022 20: 07
        +12
        Who escaped, and who departed. To another world ..
    2. Sergio_7
      Sergio_7 25 June 2022 20: 13
      +19
      The city is relatively intact, the people, the hostages are alive! I believe that such an exchange is justified!
      1. poquello
        poquello 25 June 2022 20: 16
        +6
        Quote: Sergio_7
        The city is relatively intact, the people, the hostages are alive! I believe that such an exchange is justified!

        not important - Lisichansk in the boiler
    3. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 25 June 2022 20: 52
      +6
      What makes you think that someone left Azot?
    4. Grits
      Grits 26 June 2022 03: 20
      +5
      Quote: Igor Malyshev
      It turns out they were allowed to leave quietly in exchange for peacekeepers at Azot?

      Probably yes. Otherwise, at the crossings and fords of the Seversky Donets, it was possible to arrange such hell for a ukroreykha that they would be glad to return to the basements
  3. fruc
    fruc 25 June 2022 20: 05
    +4
    Earlier, this kind of recognition was made by the so-called "head of the Lugansk regional military administration" Sergei Gaidai.

    Let them now compete who will make confessions faster S. Gaidai or General Staff ZSU. While Gaidai is ahead.
  4. svoit
    svoit 25 June 2022 20: 15
    -16
    Ukrainian troops retreated from Severodonetsk.

    That is, again escaped both death and captivity?
    it’s a pity that after Mariupol it’s not possible to make even the smallest bowler hat, the Armed Forces of Ukraine simply retreat to other positions, which they had more than enough time to build and equip
    Even if they leave Lisichansk (if they succeed, they will be able to take it this month), they will switch to the Seversk-Artemovsk line, it will have to be broken into for a month, followed by Slavyansk-Kramotorsk, and after all, they won’t be able to free them until the end of August ..
    1. Sergey Kuzmin
      Sergey Kuzmin 25 June 2022 20: 49
      +8
      they will switch to the Seversk-Artemovsk line, it will have to be broken into for a month, and then Slavyansk-Kramotorsk, and after all, it will not be possible to free them until the end of August ..
      if more of our troops were involved - it would be possible to cut and cut off the Kramatorsk-Slavic grouping with simultaneous counter strikes from the Zaporozhye region and Izyum ...
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    3. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 25 June 2022 21: 02
      +18
      Quote: svoit
      That is, again escaped both death and captivity?
      it’s a pity that after Mariupol it’s not possible to make even the smallest bowler hat, the Armed Forces of Ukraine simply retreat to other positions,

      Do you read summaries at all? The grouping on "Azot" threw out the white flag and the rest are being finished off, the grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the "Gorskoye-Zolotoye" cauldron was defeated, and in Lisichansk there are already battles in the city itself. Our reports should be looked at and not tampered with ...
      1. svoit
        svoit 25 June 2022 21: 19
        -12
        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
        Grouping on "Azot" threw out a white flag

        I will hope that there will be at least 500 prisoners, and another 1000 in Gorsky Zolotoy, it would be nice
        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
        Lysychansk is already fighting in the city itself

        In Severodonetsk, in the city itself, the fighting went on for a month, or do you think Lisichansk is a small town and there are no industrial zones there?

        It will be possible to free the LDNR before the end of the summer only if additional forces are introduced, now everyone is thrown to the center, and there is also the south - Avdiivka, Kurakhovo, Pokrovsk, and there the horse didn’t roll, and they even attack under the coal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
        Unfortunately, so far ours cannot do without very large operational pauses.
        1. poquello
          poquello 25 June 2022 21: 44
          +8
          Quote: svoit
          I will hope that there will be at least 500 prisoners, and another 1000 in Gorsky Zolotoy, it would be nice

          ) so that's what you are - Arestovich's plan! Surrender to everyone, so that Russia will go bankrupt at the dinners of the prisoners.
        2. Anatoly Podurazhny
          Anatoly Podurazhny 25 June 2022 23: 57
          -2
          Why take these prisoners? They will have to be fed. Wouldn’t it be better to throw them into clearing minefields? They would clear the land of their mines and at the same time fertilize it (the land). That would be useful.
          1. Dartik
            Dartik 26 June 2022 17: 18
            0
            Are you talking about the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? If yes, then this is a terrible comment. As in a fratricidal war, only those who do not participate in it benefit.
    4. Chronos
      Chronos 25 June 2022 23: 06
      +1
      Quote: svoit
      Ukrainian troops retreated from Severodonetsk.

      That is, again escaped both death and captivity?
      it’s a pity that after Mariupol it’s not possible to make even the smallest bowler hat, the Armed Forces of Ukraine simply retreat to other positions, which they had more than enough time to build and equip
      Even if they leave Lisichansk (if they succeed, they will be able to take it this month), they will switch to the Seversk-Artemovsk line, it will have to be broken into for a month, followed by Slavyansk-Kramotorsk, and after all, they won’t be able to free them until the end of August ..

      You can retreat to Lisichansk only by crossing the river. So, all the equipment in Severodonetsk was abandoned. Plus flew over the retreating. Now he will fly to Lisichansk. There was no complete encirclement of Severodonetsk.
    5. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 26 June 2022 12: 47
      +1
      Hitler could have won the war if he had allowed the Red Army to leave the encirclement.
  5. kakvastam
    kakvastam 25 June 2022 20: 21
    +11
    The fact that a large number of civilians remained at the plant suggests a coordinated exit.
    Taking into account the presence of hazardous chemicals on the territory of the enterprise, such a decision seems reasonable.
    What to do, a human shield is an effective thing. While I wouldn't particularly trust the people who volunteer for this role, they are essentially accomplices. I doubt that they were all driven there by force. It would be necessary to check.
    1. Sergio_7
      Sergio_7 25 June 2022 20: 29
      +4
      It is clear that the special officers will check everyone. Nothing without it!
      1. Grits
        Grits 26 June 2022 03: 26
        -3
        Quote: Sergio_7
        It is clear that the special officers will check everyone. Nothing without it!

        There aren't enough specials for everyone. So don't get your hopes up.
    2. Sergey Kuzmin
      Sergey Kuzmin 25 June 2022 20: 54
      +4
      I doubt that they were all driven there by force. It would be necessary to check.
      it was necessary to lisp less at the beginning of the NWO, and immediately specifically say that ANY concentration of Ukronazi military gangs in ANY place would be considered a military target. And that they will be hit. This would have contributed to the fact that the civilians would immediately leave those places where the concentration began. And then they drooled from the very beginning that we would not shoot at civilian targets. So people hung their ears ... instead of leaving, they remained and remain in places where the Ukronazis concentrated and concentrate
      1. mitroha
        mitroha 25 June 2022 22: 08
        +10
        This would contribute to the fact that civilians would immediately leave those places

        You won't believe it, but when they come to civilians with weapons in their hands, they quickly agree on a lot. God forbid you or your loved ones be among these civilian
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 26 June 2022 09: 16
        0
        And also on the first day to strike at the barracks, and not spare their soldiers, they did not regret ours in the end.
    3. svoit
      svoit 25 June 2022 21: 29
      -7
      Quote: kakvastam
      It would be necessary to check.

      There will be little sense in this, they will reveal people dressed as civilians of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, maybe spies, but this is very little, 90% of them are just people who believed in Ukraine and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, what to do with them?
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 25 June 2022 21: 39
        +4
        people who believed in Ukraine and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, what to do with them?
        Treat wassat .
        1. volodimer
          volodimer 26 June 2022 07: 55
          +1
          In Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk they already know that Russia is not their problem, but rather a means of getting rid of problems. In Kherson and Zaporozhye, they also already know, And it will reach the rest. After all, the Russians did not just become "Polite people." Russians are harsh towards an armed enemy, but always humane towards prisoners and civilians. And since among the latter, albeit brainwashed,
          who believed in Ukraine and the Armed Forces of Ukraine
          but they are ours. We will treat. It would be necessary with a stick in a soft place, but let's be patience, kindness and affection. It’s just that among such stoned ones it’s not, the stoned ones know perfectly well what all this “independence” of them is for. They just shit on "sovereignty and independence", it's just that there is an opportunity to rob.
  6. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 25 June 2022 20: 23
    +10
    That today is the day of missile strikes, arrivals in Kyiv are marked!
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 26 June 2022 08: 06
      +3
      Today is a holiday for the guys
      (Yebo) Artillery fires
      Today I threw it into Ukraine,
      Lavrenty Palych Beria
      It didn't make much sense. laughing
      But I think that the People's Commissar would not be offended by the rhyme.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 26 June 2022 08: 11
        +2
        It’s interesting that 4 missiles were calibrated in the cube. Do they offer embassies to collect things again?
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 26 June 2022 09: 19
        +1
        It turned out well, the Commissar would not be offended. read to my wife and she laughed, so good
        1. volodimer
          volodimer 26 June 2022 10: 00
          +1
          Thank you for rating. To you. Well wife too love
          It is necessary to fiddle with Kuev, maybe you can find a G-spot there .. Oh, I was drawn to vulgarity winked
  7. white fall
    white fall 25 June 2022 20: 25
    +15
    And you know what's the scariest thing? That if Boris Yeltsin had sat a little longer, then it would have been even worse for us than it is now in Ukraine. After all, what they have now, we had before the beginning of the XNUMXs - well, you remember the same clowns and fights in the Duma, unsuccessful military companies, oligarchs who ruled the country directly. As soon as we got out, And the Ukrainians selflessly continued to live that course. Because it suddenly turned out that it was not Ukraine that fed the USSR, but the RSFSR was the core. And as the replenishment from the outside stopped, the Ukrainian economy immediately collapsed. I remember here many people remember the union for good, but there was also a lot of ambiguity - when all the money went to all sorts of Papuans and ungrateful allies like Poland, the Baltic states and so on. Meanwhile, our relatives, meanwhile, hopefully waited in line for some kind of lousy furniture and appliances. I was always surprised by this selfless desire to give a bunch of nishtyakov for nothing, simultaneously scoring people
    1. doctor_alex
      doctor_alex 25 June 2022 23: 14
      +10
      Quote from Whitefall
      We just got out

      We didn’t get out, we were just lucky, the person who, according to all plans, was a creature from the country’s most influential oligarch and was supposed to be his screen, turned out to be not so simple and, sorry for the expression, 3.14 ripped his failed puppeteer. To love / not to love this person is a personal matter for everyone, but it is impossible to deny that he has already brought himself into the history books with his deeds (again, let everyone evaluate the deeds for himself).
      1. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 26 June 2022 09: 24
        0
        There is no doubt that Putin is a world-class figure. About what politician, did you accidentally stumble on, compose this? Not a fountain of musical culture, but as a fact itself.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8ZwnGwY76I
    2. volodimer
      volodimer 26 June 2022 08: 39
      0
      Yes, in the 90s, we were in the same ass.
      Russia tried and somehow got out, and Ukraine, too, tried ... And fell into a deeper ass.
      Putin, of course, is not Lee Kuan Yew, but much better than all the "presidents" of the 404th
      I feel like I'm going to live my entire adult life with him. There will be plenty of matov, but if he brings the SVO to its logical end, then there will definitely be a historical figure of the level of Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Catherine II.
      Ambiguous, but agree with Alexey
      he has already entered himself into the history books with his deeds
    3. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 26 June 2022 09: 21
      0
      I'll tell you more, it sometimes sounds unpleasant, but Ukraine since 1996, then banditry ended in Crimea and a monetary reform was carried out, Ukraine lived better. Bad, but better, but then everything began to slide and slide, and it clearly started from the first Maidan.
  8. iouris
    iouris 25 June 2022 20: 28
    -4
    And fireworks in Moscow?
    1. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 25 June 2022 20: 55
      0
      Why? Are we at war?
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 26 June 2022 08: 09
        +2
        June 26: International Day Against Drug Abuse
        Salute from the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in Kueva ... As a reminder for Ze.
  9. evgen1221
    evgen1221 25 June 2022 20: 34
    +4
    All heroically advancing and marching victoriously towards the Polish border.
  10. azkolt
    azkolt 25 June 2022 20: 41
    0
    Quote from Whitefall
    As soon as we got out ..... I was always surprised by this selfless desire to give a bunch of nishtyakov for nothing, simultaneously scoring people

    Note that this is not the first time we get out! Do you think this is an accident?)))) Regarding the last sentence, on the one hand it is politics, on the other hand, the revolution was originally made in Russia in order to ignite the world. What kind of nishtyaki are there for the people?
  11. Sergey Kuzmin
    Sergey Kuzmin 25 June 2022 20: 43
    +3
    Russian troops took a large number of trophies there, including Swedish and German-made grenade launchers, machine guns made in Belgium and the United States, and other infantry weapons. Several units of armored vehicles were shot down, including a BMP of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on which a group of Ukrainian military tried to escape from the fire bag.
    Well, now we will soon know the entire arsenal of weapons of the US-NATO armed forces ..., and the historical question begs the address of the Ukronazis: "What, son, did your Poles help you?"
  12. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 25 June 2022 21: 35
    +1
    We went to hell to the baedere.
  13. Denis812
    Denis812 25 June 2022 22: 07
    +2
    along the way, they simply exchanged the non-destruction of the city for the exit of the warriors.
    If so, then the right decision.
    Warrior we will catch up.
  14. Ivanushka Ivanov
    Ivanushka Ivanov 25 June 2022 22: 42
    -1
    We urgently need to close them in Lisichansk. Already released. Here you can talk a lot about the fact that sometimes it is more correct to release them. But when so much effort and time has been spent and the enemy is already practically surrounded, it is more rational to pressurize him after all. It's just more profitable. When the favorably released dill gets back into its familiar environment in Slavyansk, it will do much more harm.
  15. Moneron
    Moneron 25 June 2022 22: 43
    -9
    no applause needed. each settlement is taken for weeks and months. heavy losses on both sides. they have a general mobilization with round-the-clock propaganda to protect their native Ukraine from the orcs - Rusnya, with a powerful increase in Western arms assistance. we have a special operation, invisible for the country of Russia, with Solovyov, who is beating in fits of hatred, with the complete indifference of Russian TV channels to the situation in Ukraine, with the constant number of Russian contingents in the special operation, an unexpectedly protracted conflict for an indefinite period, daily messages on local forums about fellow countrymen who died in this war .... deaf growing irritation at hushing up their losses, at victories of local significance. passed off as strategic ... to the uncertainty of the ultimate goal of this war ....
    the uncertainty of the supreme commander is transmitted throughout the country.
    1. begemot20091
      begemot20091 26 June 2022 00: 02
      +8
      forward. teach, sir, how to fight without loss, how to take cities in a day. this is a civil war = on the one hand, the father, on the other, the lost son. and mother cries for both.
    2. Siberian54
      Siberian54 26 June 2022 01: 58
      +2
      It’s strange, the person who registered in April writes about daily local reports about the death of military personnel, is he accidentally broadcasting from the outskirts?
      1. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 26 June 2022 09: 30
        0
        Most likely, yes, when the losses were large, this is how the world remembers rumors, this is how my countrymen serve in the 126th brigade, and the information flew a little over 810, but now it’s somehow calmer and this is not filtering by organs, you can’t force the wife of a deceased officer and the mother of a contract soldier to shut up . So he thrashes.
    3. Plate
      Plate 26 June 2022 10: 36
      0
      So if a special operation is not felt in any way from Russia, it means that it can conduct it for an arbitrarily long time. Year, 2, 5, 10. Even hysterical propaganda is not needed, as in Ukraine. And no mobilizations. Ukrainians will eventually get tired of the hysteria, they will eventually run out of reservists and equipment in warehouses. And calmly wait for them. Just due to the fact that on our side the NWO is not felt in any way. Even the sanctions are not really something. The only thing that is felt so far is the state of freaking retail chains.
  16. usr01
    usr01 25 June 2022 23: 30
    +3
    Well done!
    Soon they will recognize Ohm's law and the law of universal gravitation .....
    "When a Ukrainian gets smarter, he becomes Russian." (c) Gumilyov.
  17. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 26 June 2022 01: 18
    +3
    Ukrainian troops retreated from Severodonetsk.

    At the same time, it is not specified exactly where they “departed”,

    ***
    - To another world?
    ***
    1. poquello
      poquello 26 June 2022 04: 13
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      Ukrainian troops retreated from Severodonetsk.

      At the same time, it is not specified exactly where they “departed”,

      ***
      - To another world?
      ***

      well, not all, dill are trying a new tactic - they are trying to disperse
  18. Moneron
    Moneron 26 June 2022 04: 20
    -2
    emotionless. for Ukraine, with the entry of Russia into an internal conflict., the civil war turned into a full-scale war for independence. and for this it is not at all necessary to officially declare war on the enemy. it is enough to carry out general mobilization and conduct military operations with frenzy, using all types of weapons, despite huge losses .. this is already an indicator of war.
    we are still wringing their virginity, hiding behind a fig leaflet of a special operation. the war will not end with the capture of Donbass ... they will not give it. hope for negotiations - another fiction. and the end of any war is a victory expressed in the surrender of the enemy army.
    protracted hostilities carried out by Russia "with one left hand" only leads to the widespread complete collapse of the infrastructure of Ukrainian settlements and significant losses of civilians. and we will have to restore everything again .... at our expense. it means that we will have to live for a long time in the Far Eastern and Siberian wooden barracks and run in the bitter cold in the yard closet ... and all this for the sake of the Ukrainian population that hates us. in order to reformat them.
    A good dentist differs from a bad one by the ability to instantly pull out a tooth with excellent quality. we have been pulling the Ukrainian tooth for 4 months and the end - there is no end in sight.
    partial mobilization in Russia will make it possible to hit the entire territory of Ukraine at the same time, ... depriving it of help from behind the hillock and the training of local human reserves.
    Soviet-Finnish war, we carried out mobilization in the surrounding districts.
    1. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 26 June 2022 09: 42
      0
      A lot and not on the case, for starters, answer me, as a Ukrainian, what the hell is independence and the hell did she surrender? During the Euromaidan, I was on the other side of the barricades, like, for example, Yura Podolyaka and Mikhail Onufrienko, the same Ukrainians. According to the first, even from the speech you can hear that he is short. What, once again, in FIG independence?
      What passion is it to bet on losers? I just remember in which army my grandfathers and great-grandfathers served and the soldier Vasily Salenko saw both the tsar and Lenin and Trotsky and fought both in WWI and in the Second World War and not on the side of the Bandera, whom, according to his grandfather, he couldn’t stand.
      My other great-grandfather, Skryl Athanasius. fought with Bandera. His brother Ivan, one of the 250 survivors in the Adzhimushkay quarries, I myself am from the Crimea, and now he shed his blood for the Crimea, 10 thousand of them stepped there, no less.
      Well, let's say I have a family shell-shocked by non-Ukrainianism, Muscovites, let's see the list of GSS by nationality? Okay, I will not attribute Brezhnev to the Ukrainians, but let's remember, for a second, Chancellor Bezborodko, do you at least roughly understand what kind of position this is? And after him, Field Marshal Paskevich. Well, tell me, since we are in the VO, which of the Ukrainian commanders, at least approximately approached him in terms of level, here, by the way, he is mentioned in the VO, I participated in the discussion of the topic of V. Ryzhov. Read the memoirs of the Ukrainian Ivan Kozhedub, or Sidor Kovpak, by the way, I read them in Ukrainian, it was not easy in Russian. Let's remember Rybalko and Lelyushenko, many people can be remembered.
      Well, now answer, what kind of independence and for what?
      1. Tuzik
        Tuzik 27 June 2022 20: 58
        0
        You mentioned Euromaidan at the beginning of your comment! If Ukraine becomes dependent on Russia, do you think it will have a chance to get into the European Union? I don't think so. The high standard of living in Europe attracts people! Once I saw German pensioners in my Dnieper, they are engaged in tourism in Europe from idleness. So they look thirty years younger than ours!
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 28 June 2022 09: 02
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          He lived with you in the Dnieper on Povitroflotska, but believe me, you meet Germans in the Crimea. not now, in Ukraine, much more, look at Puchkov, he tells how he went on a cruise with Dementy, there is a noticeable number of Russians, very noticeable, and I will tell you this way that I earn a living without complaining, but there is no money for a cruise. Here in Germany, life is very different.
          1. Tuzik
            Tuzik 28 June 2022 15: 27
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            I live three stops 15th below.
            Everything is relative to something. Our detachment of 20 people gathered 60 mushrooms in the forest, and another of 10 people 50.
            We each have three mushrooms for dinner, and they have five. It is unlikely that anyone from their squad will want to go to us.
  19. riwas
    riwas 26 June 2022 08: 03
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    Ukrainian troops retreated from Severodonetsk.

    Into another world.