Guided rockets for MLRS "Tornado-S" in combat

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MLRS "Tornado-S" at the training ground. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

The jet plays a significant role in the current Special Operation artillery. Multiple launch rocket systems are responsible for the destruction of area targets of various types at ranges of tens of kilometers. For this purpose, almost the entire spectrum of available rocket projectiles is used, including the latest developments. Thus, when solving some fire tasks, the 9K515 Tornado-S MLRS uses guided missiles increased range and accuracy.

Modern means


According to known data, Russian MLRS, incl. "Tornado-S", began combat work in the first hours of the Special Operation. They were used to destroy various enemy targets and used different ammunition. Probably, guided missiles were also fired, but confirmation of this appeared only a few days later.



In early March, curious photographs were received from the Ukrainian side, taken on the temporarily occupied territory of the DPR. They captured a large fragment of a rocket projectile left after the flight to the target. This object had a conical body with protruding parts, behind which stretched a twisted "tail" of a characteristic type. There was a variety of markings on the case, incl. index 9B706.

Subsequently, new photos of similar objects with the same shape of parts and markings were published several times. The latest materials of this kind appeared just the other day.


Models of guided missiles at the exhibition. Photo Missilery.info

The markings on these fragments make it possible to quite accurately determine what product they were part of. According to open information, under the index GRAU 9B706, a control system unit for 300-mm rockets 9M544 and 9M549 is hidden. Accordingly, the conical assembly of the fragment was the instrument compartment of the rocket, and the bent elongated device was the frame of the cluster warhead.

Thus, to destroy some remote small targets, such as enemy armored vehicles, our rocket artillery uses the most modern ammunition. Due to this, the accuracy and probability of a successful solution of a combat mission is increased, as well as collateral damage is reduced.

major upgrade


Over the past decades, several main types of MLRS have been in service with our army. At the end of the 9s, it was decided to carry out a deep modernization of this technique, aimed at improving technical characteristics and obtaining new opportunities. The modernization program received the general name "Tornado". Update MLRS 58K9 "Smerch" was created under the code "Tornado-S" and received the index 515KXNUMX. The development of this project was carried out at the Splav State Research and Production Enterprise, which had previously created the basic Smerch.

Work on the Tornado-S was completed by the middle of the decade. After all the necessary tests, such a MLRS received a recommendation for production and putting into service. In 2015-16 serial modernization of military equipment was launched, and soon the army received the first systems of a new type. To date, dozens of combat vehicles in a new configuration have been produced and transferred to the troops.


The remains of a rocket at enemy positions, March 2022. Photo by Telegram / ImpNavigator
The Tornado-S project provided for the upgrade of the Smerch combat vehicle by replacing all key equipment. New navigation aids, a computer system and fire control devices were introduced. In addition, within the framework of this project, advanced 9M544 and 9M549 projectiles with improved performance appeared and were put into service. It was reported about the possible development of other ammunition.

Ammunition of a new generation


Products 9M544 and 9M549 are guided missiles for use with the standard Tornado-S launcher. In terms of dimensions and weight, they do not differ from the ammunition of the previous generation: length 7,6 m, caliber 300 mm, weight - about 830 kg. At the same time, the new missiles have a different design and more sophisticated instrumentation, which gives an increase in key characteristics.

Both projectiles are built in a cylindrical body with an ogive nose fairing and a tapered tail section. There are four folding rudders on the head fairing, a curved stabilizer is placed in the tail, which opens in flight. The stabilizer has an original design: its planes are placed on an annular base, which freely rotates around the rocket body. This provides stabilization, but the projectile remains stationary in flight, which allows the use of satellite navigation and simplifies the work of the autopilot.

Under the head fairing of products 9M544 and 9M549 is placed a unified control unit - the same 9B706. It includes inertial and satellite navigation systems, autopilot and rudder drives. Also, the control unit is responsible for the timely operation of the warhead.


Head compartment with markings. Photo Telegram / ImpNavigator

On the side surface of the fairing there is a connector for connecting the 9B706 block to the on-board equipment of the MLRS. Before launch, the fire control system collects various information, calculates all the necessary data and enters them into the missile's control unit. Apparently, the coordinates of the launcher and target are entered, as well as a number of other data.

Both guided projectiles are equipped with cluster warheads. 9M544 carries 552 cumulative fragmentation warheads weighing 240 g each. Such an element pierces 140 mm of homogeneous armor, and also scatters fragments within a radius of several meters. The warhead of the 9M549 projectile carries 72 larger fragmentation submunitions. Due to such variants of the combat load, both missiles can hit various kinds of area targets - manpower, equipment, incl. armored, artillery in positions, stationary objects, etc.

A new missile part with a more efficient solid-propellant engine has been developed for the shells. With its help, the maximum firing range was increased to 120 km. For comparison, the early Smerch missiles flew only 70 km, and in later projects this parameter was increased to 90 km.

Range and accuracy


The Tornado-S multiple launch rocket system with modern projectiles and various auxiliary means responsible for reconnaissance, correction and data transmission is a powerful and effective tool for solving a variety of combat missions. The upgrade made it possible to retain all the positive qualities of the basic Smerch and supplement them with a number of new features.


Projectile 9M544 with cumulative fragmentation elements. Photo Missilery.info

The main feature of the 9M544 and 9M549 missiles should be considered the achieved firing range. It increases the possible kill zone and / or allows you to remain invulnerable to an enemy with shorter range weapons. All this increases both combat effectiveness and crew safety.

Unguided rockets have problems with accuracy. In the Tornado-S project, this issue received a comprehensive solution. So, the launcher has modern navigation tools that allow you to determine your own location with an accuracy of meters. High accuracy is also ensured when calculating data for shooting. Then the rocket control units are included in the work, which are responsible for correcting the trajectory and hitting the target point - again with an accuracy of meters.

Guided missiles 9M544 and 9M549 carry cluster warheads with cumulative fragmentation and fragmentation warheads. In this respect, the new ammunition is similar to the old 9M55K5 and 9M55K. The new control unit allows you to more fully use the potential of such combat equipment.

Earlier it was reported that other 300-mm rockets could be created for Tornado-S. A flight range of up to 200 km is achievable, and other types of warheads can be used. At the same time, control systems and related capabilities will be preserved.


Product 9M549 with a cassette for fragmentation elements. Photo Missilery.info

It should be noted that the 9K515 MLRS retains full compatibility with older types of missiles developed for the original Smerch. Accordingly, it becomes possible to select and use ammunition that best suits a specific combat mission and intended target. MLRS becomes more flexible and efficient in all respects.

Jet Perspectives


Thus, the modernization of the original Smerch and the development of new ammunition made it possible to create an improved and more efficient MLRS with improved technical and combat characteristics. Serial "Tornado-S" enter the army and have a positive effect on the potential and capabilities of the missile forces and artillery. At the same time, it is likely that the development of such MLRS does not stop, and its result will be the next generation of ammunition, even more effective and long-range.

In the meantime, the available range of rockets is being used as part of the Special Operation. Depending on the assigned fire mission, well-mastered old or new guided projectiles of one type or another are used. And in all cases, the necessary combat effectiveness is achieved, and the enemy is deprived of certain objects.
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  1. +2
    28 June 2022 05: 46
    Guided missiles 9M544 and 9M549 carry cluster warheads with cumulative fragmentation and fragmentation warheads.

    Cluster guided missiles are not always needed; high-explosive fragmentation missiles are more suitable for destroying fortifications. For example, 9M542 corrected rockets with a detachable high-explosive fragmentation or cluster warhead with a firing range of up to 120 km.
    1. -8
      28 June 2022 07: 13
      Yes ... they created it against NATO, we use it on our territory against former compatriots.
      1. + 16
        28 June 2022 11: 14
        Yes ... they created it against NATO, we use it on our territory against former compatriots.
        Yes, this is a tragedy, the Ukrainians neglected the lessons of history, believed in the kindness of the Anglo-Saxons, forgot the truth: "Worse than the enemy of the Anglo-Saxons, there can only be a friend of the Anglo-Saxons", and now our former compatriots are fighting on the side of NATO, against us, or rather, NATO is fighting us with the hands of our former compatriots. So the use of weapons, although on our territory, is still against NATO.
      2. + 12
        28 June 2022 11: 16
        Quote: Civil
        Yes ... they created it against NATO, we use it on our territory against former compatriots.

        Only we must honestly add that the former compatriots did everything to ensure that these shells flew at them.
        1. -5
          28 June 2022 13: 48
          Of course. Every ordinary Ukrainian, a hairdresser, a salesman and a taxi driver, worked tirelessly with all their might so that we could start a CBO.
          there is no need to shift the problems of the country's leadership to the entire population, and it is easy to sink to Nazism.
          1. +1
            28 June 2022 14: 30
            Well, they voted in the elections. moreover, in the elections recognized by the bright west. honest and correct.
            1. +3
              28 June 2022 15: 45
              Do you believe that elections in all countries show the real interests of citizens? Something I do not know of a single country with democratic elections, where the decisions of the elections are fully in line with the interests of the entire population.
            2. +3
              28 June 2022 16: 37
              Quote: fuffi
              moreover, in the elections recognized by the bright west. honest and correct.

              So we also acknowledged. What to understand to the west.
            3. +6
              28 June 2022 16: 58
              Suppose the Kremlin recognized the elections of both Poroshenko and Zelensky in the same way
            4. -3
              3 September 2022 06: 48
              Well, we are so honest and transparent.
          2. +3
            28 June 2022 15: 21
            Quote: Mustachioed Kok
            no need to shift the problems of the country's leadership to the entire population

            I agree with the amendment, first of all, by Ukraine, I meant its leadership and the so-called elite. I also agree that huge miscalculations were made on our part.
          3. +4
            28 June 2022 19: 02
            ...
            Quote: Mustache Cock
            Of course. Every ordinary Ukrainian, a hairdresser, a salesman and a taxi driver, worked tirelessly with all their might so that we could start a CBO.
            there is no need to shift the problems of the country's leadership to the entire population, and it is easy to sink to Nazism.

            Read! Interesting. It was 1992. Yes... ordinary Ukrainians, hairdressers and taxi drivers. https://www.liveinternet.ru/users/4768613/post421649462/ March 1, 1992. "Friendship train" of UNSO in Sevastopol. These Banderovites were mostly young and middle-aged, but there were also old people - those who fought against Soviet Ukraine. They were in SS uniform, among them - priests, women. Or was it something else? There are no Nazis in Ukraine? And now get what you asked for! https://vk.com/bookmarks?from_menu=1&z=video-33170175_456241151%2Fe55552e98030524e2f
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            2. 0
              29 July 2022 21: 21
              Just all 40 million, or how many people live in Ukraine now, all Bandera?

              The more the SVO goes, the more reasons for the "wavering" Ukrainians to start believing in real Nazis and start supporting them. Unfortunately, a couple of my close friends caught the horror of Donbass and were forced to move away from the fighting with their families. But not everyone has relatives or acquaintances in Russia or Belarus to give shelter. That couple of friends had relatives only in Ukraine itself, but at least far from the front. So even after hating the entire leadership of Ukraine and the national battalions, after the start of the SVO, they again became witnesses of civilian arrivals, but already from the Russian Federation. Now they equally hate the leaders of both Ukraine and Russia. But there is still a whole layer of those Ukrainians who have been brainwashed for 8 years forever saying that Russia wants to attack and destroy Ukraine. And here, after 8 years of such washing, the Ukrainians receive a SVO, which SUCCESSFULLY CONFIRMS Ukrainian propaganda. The SVO did not reduce the number of Nazis in Ukraine, it increased them and continues to increase them.
              1. 0
                27 August 2022 18: 38
                Hitler's Germany was full of NSDAP members and sympathizers, but after the defeat of the Wehrmacht, almost everyone became anti-fascists.
          4. -2
            29 July 2022 20: 18
            Remind me who shouted at the Muscovite... And so on. Was it the government of Ukraine or ordinary Ukrainians?
          5. M_5
            0
            21 September 2022 23: 02
            "Moskalyak to Gilyak" NATO members shouted. Right?
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          6. 0
            2 February 2023 14: 23
            Ordinary Ukrainians, I remember, told me with pleasure about how to "extinguish the separatists" in the Donbass ..
            I'm not talking about children's matinees, where compotes and fruit drinks were affectionately called "the blood of Russian children" ..
            Let it be, for some, the authorities arrange terror, for others, censorship is introduced .. But you can only blame yourself for the lack of minimal self-censorship ..
          7. 0
            25 May 2023 19: 43
            Quote: Mustache Cock
            Of course. Every ordinary Ukrainian, a hairdresser, a salesman and a taxi driver, worked tirelessly with all their might so that we could start a CBO.
            there is no need to shift the problems of the country's leadership to the entire population, and it is easy to sink to Nazism.

            Many of these so-called "ordinary Ukrainians" by you, in word and deed, helped the Armed Forces of Ukraine to kill civilians in Donbass. And the rest at that time lived quietly, slept, ate. And they absolutely did not care about the civilians of Donbass. Indifference + tacit consent = complicity!




            With love from Russia for the "brotherly" people. love
      3. -3
        28 June 2022 19: 26
        HIMARS - there is a missile with an inertial control system integrated with a GPS receiver, a vertical end section of the trajectory and a firing range of up to 300 km
        so, so far, not a competitor in range ...
        1. +2
          2 July 2022 13: 23
          Let him compete with Iskander ...
        2. 0
          25 May 2023 20: 00
          Quote: Sedoy
          HIMARS - there is a missile with an inertial control system integrated with a GPS receiver, a vertical end section of the trajectory and a firing range of up to 300 km
          so, so far, not a competitor in range ...

          Sedoy, you compared HIMARS, which is a universal launcher with Tornado-S MLRS. And for your information, ATACMS missiles have a range of up to 300 km. In this regard, HIMARS lags behind the Iskander OTRK.
      4. +4
        28 June 2022 23: 16
        Well, since 14, former compatriots have been shouting from all arenas about the gibbet, to which...
      5. R
        +5
        29 June 2022 01: 38
        Yes ... they created it against NATO, we use it on our territory against former compatriots.

        Wipe your tears)) Created against the ENEMY. And apply against the ENEMY. What contradictions do you see here?
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      6. 0
        26 August 2022 17: 31
        Former! Long sold. Always complex. Traitors.
    2. 0
      28 June 2022 09: 28
      Quote: riwas
      For example, 9M542 corrected rockets with a detachable high-explosive fragmentation or cluster warhead with a firing range of up to 120 km.

      Well, not everything is clear about the 9M542! There is contradictory information on the Internet... 9M542 is "mentioned" both with a non-separable high-explosive fragmentation warhead; and with a separable HE and cluster warhead... Perhaps the "catch" is that this projectile was initially developed for a "foreign customer" and only later entered service with the VSR... True, the identical indexes are "confusing"...
      1. -2
        28 June 2022 18: 27
        Do not confuse different shells! Here is the information for you:
        https://pereklichka.livejournal.com/2007508.html

        http://bastion-karpenko.ru/2021/04/20/реактивные-снаряды-для-рсзо-9к515-торна/
    3. 0
      28 June 2022 09: 53
      Quote: riwas
      Cluster guided missiles are not always needed

      I agree with this! And therefore there is a certain tendency to develop MLRS with a seeker for the terminal section of the flight path...for example, the Turkish TRLG-230! True, in this case such a MLRS "replaces" barrel artillery! But the plus is the high rate of fire of the "artillery substitute"! (You can compare it with an automatic large-caliber gun...) By the way, the Americans, having created their "Excalibur" with GPS, did not stop there and made a "hybrid", where they also added a laser seeker!
    4. 0
      28 June 2022 11: 20
      I have never seen reports of the use of SPBE cassettes. It was in Syria, but in Ukraine, with that number of BTs, never. I wonder why? Maybe they didn't confirm the effectiveness?
      1. +1
        28 June 2022 12: 42
        Quote: qqqq
        I have never seen reports of the use of cassettes with SPBE

        You asked an interesting question! But, indeed, there were no reports! Well, now it is still understandable... a lot of Ukrainian armored vehicles were knocked out... the rest are saved... dispersed, hidden in industrial zones in workshops, in urban residential areas... used singly or in small groups (2-3 tanks... for a larger number, it is necessary to "wait" for especially significant cases!) But was there really no reason to use against a tank column, against a concentration of tanks in the "field" during the entire time of the SVO? request
        1. -4
          28 June 2022 18: 20
          So you are being fed information about the use of the ancient two-unit Krasnopols with the old guidance algorithm, also on target designation from the Orlan-30 UAV. These are the goals, just for them ... But there is also no information about the application anywhere, more precisely, there is no confirmation of the applications. And so "fairy tales" are enough. Oral, on faith ... There are no "Malachites" on any video, for target designation from the ground. Miracles at the advanced army? Read my second comment below...
      2. -2
        28 June 2022 12: 48
        Contact the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on this issue. Let them send you a database log for parts of the armed Tornado-S.
      3. +1
        28 June 2022 18: 30
        In "Murzilki" they usually liked to write that such cassettes could leave a division on the march, which is obviously an exaggeration.
        1. 0
          17 July 2022 13: 30
          The Twister Division can. But where are these divisions on the march to Ukraine? And the battery easily covers, there is a video, we saw it.
    5. -1
      28 June 2022 13: 34
      However, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not hesitate to massively use Tochki-u with cluster warheads. And your "not always" does not even occur to them to apply.
    6. 0
      7 May 2026 20: 13
      Our profiteers, to increase their profits and appropriate their neighbors' resources, always need any kind of cluster munitions. That's capitalism, bro. We can completely forget about friendship between nations, like in the USSR.
  2. +8
    28 June 2022 06: 04
    The need to accurately hit targets has increased greatly in this conflict.
    Just cover with squares ... sometimes you need to, but you need to hit pointwise even more often.
    1. +3
      28 June 2022 07: 08
      The goals are different ... For such large and expensive RSs, this is not one howitzer per position, but, for example, a battery. Those. you need to heap and tightly cover a certain area.
      1. 0
        28 June 2022 07: 46
        All shock systems help the infantry conquer the battlefield, win!
      2. +1
        28 June 2022 13: 28
        And let me ask you why a separate howitzer in position cannot be a target for such a missile?
        1. 0
          25 May 2023 20: 05
          Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
          And let me ask you why a separate howitzer in position cannot be a target for such a missile?

          Because it's the same as hammering a nail with a sledgehammer!
          There are other means to defeat targets such as a single howitzer in position. But not a guided 300mm rocket.
    2. +7
      28 June 2022 11: 22
      ... sometimes you need to, but you need to hit the point even more often

      And here I thought - is it possible to install high-explosive warheads in a couple of tons (or whatever) of TNT on the Topol ICBMs being decommissioned and launch them through the railway tunnel between Poland and Ukraine. What good is lost?
      Naturally, first we will have to warn our Western "partners" in advance, saying that they will hit your puppet not at you, but at your puppet.
      1. +1
        28 June 2022 12: 03
        Shooting sparrows from a cannon ... all the fuss with preparation and launch will cost more than a pair, another CALIBER.
        1. +7
          28 June 2022 12: 31
          Quote: rocket757
          Shooting sparrows from a cannon ... all the fuss with preparation and launch will cost more than a pair, another CALIBER.

          A couple of other "Kalibrs" and even "Kinzhals" do not have the power to drop several tons of explosives from space on this underground facility. As for the price - well, I don't know... How much does it cost to dispose of these missiles? And what's the problem with the launch? You leave the hangar for the launch point, enter the data and off you go, dear... All the fuss with the preparation will most likely be with the manufacture of high-explosive warheads and replacing the warhead on the missile. Of course, I'm not an expert, but I can figure it out myself. smile Fill the standard warhead casing with explosives to the maximum and install it on the landing sites in the ICBM. Perhaps it makes sense to "bother" --- disposing of the missile by destroying a strategically important object?
          I give you a plus for your opinion hi
          1. +4
            28 June 2022 12: 38
            You will have to shoot because of the Ural ridge ... these are long-range missiles.
            By the way, the concept of "hit a peg" for such missiles is very conditional, i.e. They don't have to be high end! they have such ammunition, 100 meters, count it as a bull's-eye!
            1. +1
              28 June 2022 13: 13
              Quote: rocket757
              You will have to shoot because of the Ural ridge ... these are long-range missiles.

              Yes, that goes without saying. No matter how problem.

              Quote: rocket757
              By the way, the concept of "hit a peg" for such missiles is very conditional, i.e. They don't have to be high end! they have such ammunition, 100 meters, count it as a bull's-eye!

              That's true. But no one will tell the exact CEP. But I admit that there is a possibility to improve the guidance system of these obsolete missiles.
              This object of theirs is very important for their logistics and must be destroyed. It is dangerous for strategists with superbombs to fly there, and cruise missiles are too weak
              1. +1
                28 June 2022 13: 32
                To destroy the tunnel is not tricky, to restore the flood, the problem is much more complicated.
                Those. a cruise missile will do just fine.
                1. 0
                  25 May 2023 20: 36
                  Quote: rocket757
                  To destroy the tunnel is not tricky, to restore the flood, the problem is much more complicated.
                  Those. a cruise missile will do just fine.

                  Not every cruise missile will be able to destroy the tunnel.
                  But a modernized ICBM with conventional warheads with several tons of explosives on board - I think it can destroy a tunnel or a bridge.
            2. -1
              25 May 2023 20: 31
              Quote: rocket757
              You will have to shoot because of the Ural ridge ... these are long-range missiles.
              By the way, the concept of "hit a peg" for such missiles is very conditional, i.e. They don't have to be high end! they have such ammunition, 100 meters, count it as a bull's-eye!

              One of the stages can be removed from the ICBM, thus reducing the flight range. And the guidance system can be replaced, thus reducing the KVO.
          2. +1
            28 June 2022 19: 01
            The remains of this poplar will then be picked out of the asses for analysis. I don't see any real reason to use it either.
            1. 0
              28 June 2022 21: 18
              Quote from Chemodan
              The remains of this poplar will then be picked out of the asses for analysis. I don't see any real reason to use it either.

              And what kind of remains will be left there? There will be nothing left of the warhead at all. The missile will be mangled fragments scattered over a huge area. And those that are found will have no value for analysis. In the word --- none at all.
            2. 0
              25 May 2023 20: 37
              Quote from Chemodan
              The remains of this poplar will then be picked out of the asses for analysis. I don't see any real reason to use it either.

              And what will remain of the rocket after the explosion of several tons of explosives?
        2. 0
          25 May 2023 20: 27
          Quote: rocket757
          Shooting sparrows from a cannon ... all the fuss with preparation and launch will cost more than a pair, another CALIBER.

          Don't tell! A pair, another CALIBER will not deliver such a large explosive charge to the target that a modernized ICBM with conventional warheads can deliver to the target.
          But what will be more expensive or more efficient must be considered.
      2. -3
        29 June 2022 18: 27
        It will be easier, faster and more realistic for you to screw the OFC into your head. Have you at least thought about the consequences of such a "launch"? Or how are you going to warn the whole world that your MBR is flying with the OFC... so that you, or rather all of us, don't get a response from the YABCH???
        Where do you get such "talented" from? Yes, in such quantities
        1. R
          0
          30 June 2022 02: 37
          Where do you get such "talented" from? Yes, in such quantities


          Yes, from the same place you are from, lizard laughing wassat lol
        2. 0
          30 June 2022 16: 01
          Quote: prorab_ak
          Or how are you going to warn the whole world that your MBR flies with OFCH .... so that you, or rather all of us, an answer from Yabch, does not arrive ???

          Hello, foreman! wassat You are apparently not aware at all that such a MUTUAL warning system between the USSR/Russia and the USA/NATO has existed for several decades. But China and the DPRK launch their missiles without any warning, if you are not aware, and no "Yabch" responses "to all of them" arrive.
          That's exactly it -- warn in advance when it will take off, what it will fly to, what object it will fall on and when it will fall. Ukraine has no missile defense systems capable of shooting down this missile, not at all! Once again -- the West will never, never start a nuclear war with Russia because of Ukraine. They will take note and wipe their hands of it. Don't worry so much about "the whole world." laughing
          1. 0
            30 June 2022 18: 00
            Does the system warn about combat, and not test launches, or will it warn? Yes, you, my friend, are a noble dreamer.
            1. 0
              30 June 2022 20: 48
              And how is a combat launch different from a test launch? belay
              First, the side planning the launches warns, and only then they are recorded by the warning system of other countries. And not vice versa. You have some kind of reality, my friend winked
              This is what you are about yourself:
              Quote: prorab_ak
              Yes, you, my friend, are a noble dreamer.
            2. 0
              25 May 2023 20: 48
              Quote: prorab_ak
              Does the system warn about combat, and not test launches, or will it warn? Yes, you, my friend, are a noble dreamer.

              Yes, do not talk nonsense, you are a couch "expert". Go ahead and lie on your couch.
        3. 0
          25 May 2023 20: 42
          Quote: prorab_ak
          It will be easier, faster and more realistic for you to screw the OFC into your head. Have you at least thought about the consequences of such a "launch"? Or how are you going to warn the whole world that your MBR is flying with the OFC... so that you, or rather all of us, don't get a response from the YABCH???
          Where do you get such "talented" from? Yes, in such quantities

          You better screw something in your head so as not to write nonsense!
      3. 0
        25 May 2023 20: 12
        Quote: musketone64
        ... sometimes you need to, but you need to hit the point even more often

        And here I thought - is it possible to install high-explosive warheads in a couple of tons (or whatever) of TNT on the Topol ICBMs being decommissioned and launch them through the railway tunnel between Poland and Ukraine. What good is lost?
        Naturally, first we will have to warn our Western "partners" in advance, saying that they will hit your puppet not at you, but at your puppet.

        You weren't the only one thinking about this. From many people, I heard a proposal to equip decommissioned ICBMs with conventional warheads. And thus "dispose" them in Ukraine, and not spend money on their disposal.
        It would be nice if during the meeting, such a rocket would fly into the dome of the building of the Ukrainian Rada, with several tons of explosives on board. So that not a stone is left unturned from the building of the Ukrainian Rada.
    3. 0
      28 June 2022 17: 46
      The problem is not in the MLRS, the problem is in real-time target designation. The Armed Forces do not have real-time target designation for the new Tornado-S MLRS shells, so they are not used. The author did not even remember in the article that the 9K515 includes the Orlan-10 UAV. But this is not enough, the Tornado-S must receive target designation from systems similar to the ESU TZ, which the Russian Armed Forces do not have. The Tochka-U leaves for a position, and the Orlan-10, or another reconnaissance vehicle, transmits coordinates for a precision shell and a shot in real time, and ... there is no Tochka ... This is how it should be. But Gerasimov does not know how to do this, he did not teach the army, did not prepare how to do this, he and his staff do not know ... The weapon is precise, but there is no target designation for it ... Where is the ESU TZ "Sozvezdie_M"? It doesn't exist, but they lie to you that it does, and refer to it everywhere... They don't even know how to make this system, the "military geniuses" don't even have a concept...
      1. 0
        30 June 2022 09: 09
        For Tornado-S eats "Fort". Everything is there, only it is not profitable for you to admit it.
    4. +2
      28 June 2022 22: 03
      And in Syria, and in Karabakh, and in the DPR, since the age of 14 it has not increased much? This topic is already
      almost 50 years, and it has been successfully failed in the Russian Armed Forces. Guided missiles for MLRS were developed 10 years ago and ... not accepted into service ... The advanced Krasnopol and Santimetr missiles have been forgotten and have not been modernized, and the latter has been destroyed!!!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz9YJlw5yq0

      Now they are urgently testing Krasnopol-M2, the rooster pecked there and they stirred, and Krasnopol-M was not even accepted into service, although they were sold with a factory to China and delivered to India!
  3. +2
    28 June 2022 06: 33
    This is a terrible weapon.
    APU - give up!
  4. +1
    28 June 2022 07: 11
    Good.
    When working on group goals, where are all the excaliburs. And in terms of efficiency / cost ratio as well.
  5. 0
    28 June 2022 07: 18
    It turns out Iskander at the minimum
    1. +2
      28 June 2022 10: 06
      Quote: Winnie76
      It turns out Iskander at the minimum


      Iskander - a ballistic missile (if we are not talking about kr), with a missile defense overcoming system
      MLRS missiles do not have this and the flight path is completely different.

  6. +5
    28 June 2022 07: 28
    They didn’t say anything about accuracy ... these KVO shells have 5-10 meters. And with a range of 120 km, this is both for "hunting" for "Points-U", and for the newly-minted "HIMARS-s" ... Only reconnaissance with target designation, and most importantly, quickly give the coordinates of the target.
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  8. +2
    28 June 2022 10: 08
    The Ukrainian defense industry developed its own URS for the Smerch for the Ukrainian Armed Forces... "Olkha" with gas-dynamic control! The Ukrainian Armed Forces purchased about a hundred of these RSs... (that's what I managed to find out...). According to rumors, the "Olkha" rockets are used by the Ukrainian Armed Forces in battles with Russian troops... they even say how many munitions were used - about half of what the Ukrainian Armed Forces had. (I don't know if "Olkha" has been produced since the beginning of the Second World War). Fortunately, the Ukrainian Armed Forces did not purchase the modernized version of the "Olkha-M" with a range of either 120 km or up to 200 km (I've forgotten already!)...
    1. 0
      28 June 2022 10: 52
      the modernized version of "Alder-M" with a range of either 120 km, or up to 200 km (I forgot already!) APU was not purchased ...

      120. Everything above is the victory of dill propaganda. There were no pennies for the purchase of "emki" in the square, even for the introduction of upgrades into the technical process.
  9. +2
    28 June 2022 10: 38
    But is it possible to install a couple of such installations for counter-battery firing on the Serpentine? So it will be cheaper to nightmare warriors in Odessa than calibers
  10. 0
    28 June 2022 10: 46
    Is it on the BAZ chassis?
    1. +1
      28 June 2022 19: 32
      This is MAZ. BAZs now, it seems that even the S-400 is not enough (they also often use MAZs there).
      1. 0
        28 June 2022 20: 32
        This is MAZ. BAZs now, it seems that even the S-400 is not enough (they also often use MAZs there).
        Thank you!)
  11. -3
    28 June 2022 17: 42
    The author forgot or did not mention that these cluster cumulative munitions are SPBE and SNBE, self-aiming and homing, respectively. A very effective thing against tanks, it shoots with an impact core from a height of about 40m, while not entering the KAZ coverage area.
  12. -2
    28 June 2022 21: 15
    It is necessary to introduce cassettes for howitzers, tanks and helicopters like nar s8s with arrows
  13. -2
    29 June 2022 00: 56
    The article is just like before the special operation where everything is so good with guided munitions. And then you look at the field as if under Verdun where there are a lot of craters and hits in a fortified stronghold are one thing. Or on Ukrainian towed guns emerging from under fire.
    1. -2
      29 June 2022 01: 08
      Quote: certero
      you look at the field as if under verdun where there are a lot of craters and there is only one hit in a fortified stronghold

      What do you think a "fortified stronghold" is?
      - "the field, as under Verdun" is a normal picture of the work of artillery
      - one Tornado projectile (unguided) costs about 100+ thousand killed raccoons

      You checkers, or go? (with)
  14. 0
    29 June 2022 08: 35
    They also showed launchers with 6 pieces of guides, based on KamAZ 8x8 ....
    1. 0
      30 June 2022 09: 13
      Version for the poor, for export.
      1. +1
        1 July 2022 18: 37
        Absolutely not. 6 pieces of corrective shells will solve the problem, instead of 24 pieces of non-correctable shells.... Plus a greater range. Almost 6 pieces of points on one chassis.
        1. 0
          25 May 2023 21: 13
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Absolutely not. 6 pieces of corrective shells will solve the problem, instead of 24 pieces of non-correctable shells.... Plus a greater range. Almost 6 pieces of points on one chassis.

          I agree with you.
      2. 0
        25 May 2023 21: 12
        Quote: stankow
        Version for the poor, for export.

        Such a version with guided missiles would not interfere with our army.
    2. 0
      25 May 2023 21: 03
      Quote: Zaurbek
      They also showed launchers with 6 pieces of guides, based on KamAZ 8x8 ....

      Yes, they showed it, MLRS "Kama". Unfortunately, it is not in service with our troops.
      Variant with cassette reloading. Six rockets are hermetically packed in TPK.




      And they showed this.
  15. 0
    29 June 2022 09: 11
    Quote: Letun
    Quote: fuffi
    moreover, in the elections recognized by the bright west. honest and correct.

    So we also acknowledged. What to understand to the west.

    so it's not about what we recognized or not, but about the fact that, as always, "anastozascho"
  16. 0
    5 July 2022 17: 24
    It would probably be interesting to have shells for Grads with individual targeting heads ...
    1. 0
      25 May 2023 21: 16
      Quote: AlexFly
      It would probably be interesting to have shells for Grads with individual targeting heads ...

      There was information about what they seem to be developing or even already developed.
  17. 0
    9 September 2022 21: 51
    We also need a similar 600mm rocket ....
    1. 0
      29 November 2022 03: 29
      We already have the Iskander OTRK.
      1. 0
        29 November 2022 11: 29
        This is an expensive missile for passing through ..... And here you need a gross missile .... With a simplified homing
        1. 0
          25 May 2023 21: 18
          Quote: Zaurbek
          This is an expensive missile for passing through ..... And here you need a gross missile .... With a simplified homing

          Take an interest in the range of ammunition for the Iskander OTRK.
  18. 0
    18 September 2022 13: 47
    Quote: Civil
    Yes ... they created it against NATO, we use it on our territory against former compatriots.


    The key word is "former".
    Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are a branch of NATO.
  19. M_5
    0
    29 October 2022 00: 46
    It would be nice, along with adjustable ammunition, to have a shock kamikaze UAV with a PuVRD engine launched from the barrel. Kilogram 250, warhead 80, 150-170 km range with television guidance and glonass.
  20. 0
    29 November 2022 03: 25
    It is necessary to increase the range and expand the range of ammunition.
    And I think it would not hurt to create a tactical missile system on the basis of the Kama MLRS in tandem with new, long-range, guided munitions of 300 mm caliber.
    That's just the chassis itself on the MLRS "Kama" needs to be changed to a more suitable and protected one. For example, on KamAZ-53958.

  21. 0
    2 December 2023 17: 42
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Absolutely not. 6 pieces of corrective shells will solve the problem, instead of 24 pieces of non-correctable shells.... Plus a greater range. Almost 6 pieces of points on one chassis.


    No, the issue is resolved by a division salvo, 12 vehicles with 40 guides in 20 seconds. And the supporter is suppressed, you can take it with infantry. And 6 shells equals 2-3 targets; those on the flanks won’t even notice that they are being fired upon.