Awkward questions: air supremacy over Ukraine and its consequences

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The Russian special operation in Ukraine began on February 24, 2022, and already on February 28, information appeared from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (MO RF) about the seizure of air supremacy over the territory of Ukraine. Is it really? Let's try to figure it out.

Dominance is different


Air supremacy is the decisive superiority of the air force (Air Force) of one of the belligerents in the airspace. Air supremacy is divided into strategic, operational and tactical.



Strategic air supremacy is dominance on the entire front of the armed forces. Operational air supremacy is dominance on the scale of one or more fronts for the period of an offensive operation. Tactical air supremacy is dominance within the battlefield in the interests of ground troops operating in a chosen direction.

With regard to military operations in Ukraine, we can say that the RF Armed Forces are guaranteed to have tactical air supremacy over any arbitrarily chosen battlefield. We can also say that the RF Armed Forces have operational air supremacy - the Russian aviation unconditionally dominates the entire front line.

But is it possible to say that the RF Armed Forces have strategic air supremacy? If we consider strategic dominance as domination over all sectors of the offensive of the RF Armed Forces, then, probably, yes. But in this case, the differences from operational air supremacy are small - in general, these concepts are quite blurred, which is why such combinations as “operational-strategic”, “operational-tactical” dominance appear.

On the other hand, it is believed that in the combat operations of our time there may be no front lines at all, which is typical for aerospace operations. In the case of Ukraine, the RF Armed Forces are for the most part engaged in classic combat operations - the intensity of air strikes is relatively low compared to the use of ground forces in general and cannon and rocket artillery in particular. At the same time, strikes to the depth of the territory of Ukraine are carried out mainly not by aviation, but by sea, land and air-based cruise missiles, which are most often launched outside the territory of Ukraine.

At the same time, the effectiveness of combat operations as a whole strongly depends on the possibility of intensive strikes throughout the entire depth of the enemy's territory. Moreover, the required intensity cannot be provided only by high-precision weapons long range - you should guarantee the continuous presence in the sky above the enemy of your aircraft.

Based on this, in the context of combat operations over Ukraine, strategic air supremacy should be viewed as the ability of the Russian Air Force to operate freely over the entire territory of Ukraine.

It can be definitely said that the US Air Force had strategic air supremacy over the entire territory of Iraq and Yugoslavia in their respective military conflicts. Does the Russian Air Force have strategic air supremacy over Ukraine, allowing Russian aircraft to freely strike throughout the entire depth of its territory?

The answer is likely to be no, and there are a number of reasons for this.

Specifics of the Ukrainian conflict


What is the main difference between the conflict between Russia and Ukraine and the Western invasion of Iraq and Yugoslavia?

The main difference is that Russia did not take an active part in those wars. It is believed that we surrendered Iraq altogether, among other things, by transferring the frequency grids of radar stations (RLS), previously supplied to Iraq by anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM).

During the conflict in Yugoslavia, Russia's position was already negative in relation to the actions of the US and NATO, but in reality there was little we could do, and Serbia received practically no support. It would be interesting to see how the United States would have reacted to the supply of S-300 air defense systems, operational-tactical missile systems (OTRK), anti-ship missiles (ASM) and other weapons at that time.

But now Russia is advancing in Ukraine, and the US and NATO countries are actively trying to prevent this, and the further they go, the more their impudence grows, and it’s time to really do something about it - all accomplices of the Ukronazis must be punished. One of the most important elements of support is the provision of intelligence information to Ukraine from the means of satellite and aviation intelligence of Western countries, and not the supply of military equipment, while they are still relatively small, though it's only a matter of time. In particular, the sky over neighboring countries is patrolled by early warning aircraft (AWACS), which our armed forces lack so much. There is no doubt that ground-based radars are also operating around the clock, capable of detecting high-flying targets at a distance of hundreds of kilometers.


AWACS aircraft from NATO countries pose a significant threat to Russian military aviation. Image by wikipedia.org

This allows the calculations of Ukrainian air defense systems not to use detection radars that immediately unmask their positions on an ongoing basis, but to use data from Western countries to pre-enter information into the air defense system, turn on the radar for a short period of time to attack, followed by a change in positions. Such tactics can lead to significant losses of our aviation, which is why it is forced to "huddle to the ground."

Perhaps it is precisely because of this that the Russian Air Force does not use combat aircraft to the extent that they could, but this does not mean that this decision is correct.

Consequences of restrictions


The lack of strategic air supremacy seems to impose significant restrictions on the actions of Russian aviation. This allows the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) to provide a fairly effective logistics support for the front line, transport ammunition, manpower, weapons and military equipment, evacuate and repair damaged equipment. Even the problem with fuel supplies seems to have resolved - Ukrainian Tanks so they didn't get stuck. There are no communication problems, the cities are illuminated, the Internet and television work. The railway is functioning properly - well, they destroyed a couple of bridges, a couple of traction substations - most of this has already been repaired. And spending "Caliber" and "Iskander" on each transformer box - you will not save up any resources.

But it is vitally important to split Ukraine into its component parts, and this can be done with the help of aviation, even without gaining strategic air supremacy, operating at low altitudes - this issue was previously considered in the article "Decomposition of Ukraine as a way to radically reduce the capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to resist the Russian special operation".

And Petrushka-Zelensky is still alive, moreover, other European clowns regularly ride in his circus, and after all, the destruction of the top military-political leadership of Ukraine is one of the most important factors that, along with “decomposition”, can affect Ukraine’s readiness to resist , and from a psychological point of view, this is simply necessary - the enemies of Russia must be destroyed physically, so that the rest who want to become them develop the correct "conditioned reflexes". This issue was also discussed earlier in the material "Confrontation with the West on the territory of Ukraine: to press without stopping".

Ideally, Russian bombers should hover over the territory of Ukraine 24 hours a day, dropping dozens of tons of bombs at the slightest movement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

There are a few more nuances.

Firstly, the need to "press close to the ground" leads to the fact that combat aircraft become vulnerable to man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS), which are physically impossible to completely destroy. Of course, their attacks are far from always effective, but it can be assumed that as the conflict drags on, the total losses of aviation from MANPADS will be compared with those that the Russian Air Force could suffer when gaining strategic air supremacy.

Secondly, the prolongation of the conflict leads to the fact that much more victims will be suffered by ground troops, as well as civilians dying on the territory of the DPR and in the cities of Eastern Ukraine.

Based on this, we can assume that it is expedient and necessary to organize a massive air operation to completely gain strategic air supremacy over the entire territory of Ukraine.

But how to do it with minimal losses?

Strategic air supremacy


Here we largely go into the realm of assumptions, since we do not know the real effectiveness of certain Russian weapons systems, but we will try to rely on open data. To gain strategic air supremacy, it is necessary to organize an intensified hunt for Ukrainian air defense systems, destroying them, if not all, then 99%, and this can presumably be done according to the scheme - provocation, detection, destruction.

First of all, it is necessary to neutralize or at least reduce the efficiency of the enemy AWACS aircraft and ground-based radars. Of course, the highly publicized Russian electronic warfare (EW) systems immediately come to mind, but how effective are they?

If our armed forces save their electronic warfare resources for the “last and decisive” without using all their capabilities, then this vicious practice must be abandoned - what will be unknown tomorrow, and the negative scenarios for the development of this “tomorrow” will be determined precisely by Russian actions in Ukraine. We will win - no one will turn up, and electronic warfare equipment will not be needed, the West will quiet down for a while. Let's start losing - nuclear weapons will be the last and only argument.

Awkward questions: air supremacy over Ukraine and its consequences

Is Krasukha capable of suppressing the Boeing E-3 Sentry AWACS aircraft? And if not one, but 2, 4, 8 "Krasukh", located on the border of Belarus and Poland, on the ships of the Black Sea fleet? Image by wikipedia.org

So it is necessary to "crush" AWACS aircraft, strategic reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and ground-based radars by all means. Perhaps - constantly, maybe - in waves, directly during the hunt for Ukrainian air defense systems, this already depends on the effectiveness of Russian electronic warfare systems.

Ideally, they should not completely deprive the enemy's reconnaissance means of detecting aircraft over the territory of Ukraine, but should not allow them to be recognized. Even if the side effect will be the impossibility of flights of civil aviation aircraft and the disruption of communications over the territory of European countries neighboring Ukraine. Even if a NATO AWACS aircraft or an American strategic UAV completely crashes to the ground from the effects of electronic warfare, it’s okay, they will survive, wipe themselves off and endure something else.

A provocation is a false target, which is a UAV or a manned aircraft with a set of equipment for remote control. These can be, for example, the Orion UAV or obsolete combat or transport aircraft capable of flying at an altitude of over 7 meters, of course, if our industry is able to equip them with remote take-off, piloting and landing systems (the latter is optional, in a number cases, such aircraft can be used at the end of the operation to strike at targets deep in enemy territory, like a projectile aircraft).


The Chinese were able to turn the obsolete An-2 "maize" into an unmanned transport aircraft, is it possible to do something similar for the RF Armed Forces? Image by wikipedia.org

A false target should imitate a valuable target for the enemy - a strategic bomber or transport aircraft. To do this, its radar signature can be enlarged and distorted using corner reflectors and Luneberg lenses.

The task of the false target is to provoke the Ukrainian air defense systems to turn on the radar to strike according to the intelligence of the Western countries.

Detection is electronic reconnaissance aircraft (RTR) capable of effectively detecting enemy radars. We have few such aircraft, as mentioned in the articles "Russian special operation in Ukraine: to dispel the fog of war" и "Issues on the use of AWACS aircraft, reconnaissance and combat control during the NWO in Ukraine". The problem is that even the existing RTR aircraft themselves can become targets for Ukrainian air defense systems if their effectiveness is not high enough.

The US Navy actively uses the EA-18G Growler, which replaced its predecessors, the E / A-6B Prowler carrier-based aircraft, at the combat post. Their task is precisely the detection of enemy radars, the production of protective interference and the destruction of the detected radars by anti-radar missiles (PRR) aimed at the radiation source.


E/A-6B Prowler (above) and EA-18G Growler (below) are SAM hunters. Image by wikipedia.org

The aviation of the Navy and the Russian Air Force have no direct analogues of the E / A-6B Prowler and EA-18G Growler. The Su-24MR is a reconnaissance aircraft, it is already outdated, it does not know how to put interference. Only 24 units of Su-8MP jamming aircraft were manufactured, they were never brought to “mind”, and after the collapse of the USSR, they all ended up in Ukraine.

It remains to use multifunctional fighters and front-line bombers to hunt for Ukrainian air defense systems, but there is a dilemma here - the more modern a vehicle we send to hunt for Ukrainian air defense systems, the less likely it will be shot down, but the more painful the loss will be. If we send a more outdated machine, then the chances that it will turn into a target increase significantly.

Considering that the air-to-air confrontation in Ukraine has mostly ended, it is most likely advisable to use Su-35S multifunctional fighters, additionally equipped with RTR and EW systems, as well as Kh-31P / anti-radar missiles, to detect and destroy Ukrainian air defense systems. PD. It is likely that low-observable fifth-generation Su-57 fighters with X-58UShKE in-fuselage deployment can also be used, of course, if these vehicles and weapons for them have reached, respectively, operational readiness. By the way, it is likely that the United States will also abandon vehicles such as the E / A-6B Prowler and EA-18G Growler in favor of a bundle of a multifunctional fighter, RTR containers, electronic warfare and anti-radar missiles.


The Su-35S (above) and Su-57 (below) are perhaps the best weapons the RF Armed Forces have to seize strategic air supremacy over Ukrainian territory. Image by wikipedia.org


Combined with Kh-31PD anti-radar missiles (top) and Kh-58UShKE (bottom). Image ktrv.ru

Such a bunch of false targets based on UAVs and obsolete remote-controlled manned aircraft, as well as Su-35S / Su-57 multifunctional fighters equipped with radar and electronic warfare equipment, as well as Kh-31P / Kh-31PD / Kh-58UShKE anti-radar missiles, will allow clearing the territory of Ukraine from long-range and medium-range air defense systems, and then moving on to the systematic massive application of strategic and tactical aviation missile and bomb strikes from high and medium altitudes that are beyond the reach of MANPADS.

It should be noted that earlier information appeared in the open press about the development by the KRET concern of specialized containers for the Su-34 front-line bomber, including containers for setting group protection electronic jamming, conducting electronic intelligence (UKR-RT), optical (UKR-OE) and radar reconnaissance (UKR-RL). If the deliveries of these containers are/are being made, then the leadership in the destruction of Ukrainian air defense systems may go to the Su-34.


Su-34 (in the foreground). Image of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

Of course, even after the main cleansing phase, at least strategic bombers should be covered by multifunctional fighters with RTR, SEM, as well as anti-radar missiles.

Possible problems


Possible problems arise from questions that are unlikely to be answered in open sources:

- the effectiveness of Russian electronic warfare systems: if we cannot suppress or at least seriously complicate the work of Western countries' radar reconnaissance means, then the task of gaining strategic air supremacy over the territory of Ukraine is greatly complicated;

- the presence of UAVs capable of simulating false targets, the possibility of relatively quickly equipping manned aircraft with remote control equipment;

- the effectiveness of the RTR and EW systems built into the Su-34, Su-35S and Su-57, the availability and effectiveness of the RTR and EW hanging containers;

- the presence of a sufficient number and effectiveness of Kh-31P / Kh-31PD / Kh-58UShKE anti-radar missiles;

- the Russian Air Force is prepared to organize and conduct such a complex full-scale air offensive operation, simultaneously control dozens of combat vehicles - after all, it is necessary not only to destroy the enemy's air defense systems, but also not to hit your own, as well as not to hit your own aircraft with your own air defense systems.

All these factors can significantly complicate or even make it impossible to seize strategic air supremacy over the territory of Ukraine. And this will mean that aviation will "huddle to the ground" and suffer losses from MANPADS, the ground operation will be delayed, and the "partners" will begin to become impudent.

Conclusions


Ruthlessness and ruthlessness is the only thing we can oppose to the countries of the West. They must clearly understand that we will go much further than they can go.

They must realize that in the event of a Russia-NATO conflict, Eastern Europe will be the first to burn in a nuclear fire, followed by Western.

They should know that for any strike on our territory, especially with nuclear weapons, we will respond twice according to whoever delivers this strike. What about those economic sanctions that Western countries impose on us, we will respond asymmetrically and turn their economy into ruins.

We will arm their enemies in the same way that they arm Ukraine, for example, help Argentina take the Falkland (Malvinas) Islands from Britain, and take from them everything that can be taken without even crossing their borders, for example, expropriate all their intangible assets.

The longer the special operation drags on, the more negative consequences occur - the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already attacked Russian cities and villages, the shelling of the DPR has increased significantly, and attacks have been carried out on oil and gas infrastructure of the Russian Federation. Poland is becoming impudent and concentrating troops, even pathetic Lithuania has declared a blockade of Kaliningrad - and in fact this is a declaration of war. And we keep promising to strike at the "decision-making centers"...

Maybe stop promising? And then sometimes there is a feeling that we are playing some kind of "giveaway".

After gaining strategic air supremacy, no ground target will be safe. Of course, we are not talking about the bombing of cities, but as far as military and near-military targets are concerned, everything is different here.


The massive use of aviation will drive the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the Stone Age. Image by wikipedia.org

The railway track was destroyed - a repair team was sent, 30 minutes after the start of work, a blow was struck on the team and the repair team. They sent a second one - another blow. The railroad has been stopped. Any information about the movement of military personnel, cargo, fuel - strike, strike, strike ... It will become almost impossible to form columns.

Any large accumulation of trucks is a blow. Bridges, narrow sections of highways, ports, power lines, communications centers, military registration and enlistment offices, headquarters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and buildings of civil authorities calling for the destruction of Russia and Russians. Concrete-piercing bombs against underground structures, FAB-3000 against large targets - to fill up the Beskydy tunnel tightly so that the mouse does not crawl through.

There will be no military commissariats and communications - there will be no conscription. There will be no railways and bridges - there will be no fuel and shells. There will be no electricity - repair factories will rise. There will be no rear, and then the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will really “fall apart”, since there will be no hope for at least some kind of “overcoming”.

If the RF Armed Forces can seize strategic air supremacy over Ukraine, even if at the risk of certain losses, then it is vital to do so. If not, then this is an occasion to seriously think about the organization of training and the technical equipment of the Russian Air Force.
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  1. +63
    24 June 2022 03: 53
    As I see it from the armchair, the article describes the situation exhaustively, and probably the solutions, too. Things are small - determination and means.
    But what about determination, what is not very good with means, with determination, for sure. Like in a joke
    -What's with that dot on your chest all the time?
    -This husband every evening pokes his finger and says: "I will love you tomorrow ..."

    Concrete-piercing bombs against underground structures, FAB-3000 against large targets - to fill up the Beskydy tunnel tightly so that the mouse does not crawl through.
    I don’t understand, the “Dagger” has tremendous kinetic energy and a good warhead, which prevents it from planting a couple of missiles at the entrance to the tunnel?
    1. +72
      24 June 2022 04: 00
      It seems to me personally that the problem is in determination, apparently some in the top leadership still hope to win back, and therefore we do not use our military potential at the proper level.
      1. +58
        24 June 2022 04: 07
        I personally think that the problem is in the determination


        Yes, what determination is there, the majority in the West have money, children, real estate, a RESIDENCE PERMIT OR SECOND CITIZENSHIP, but here they earn money.
        1. +44
          24 June 2022 06: 08
          and here they make money.
          it would be more correct to say - steal
          1. +9
            25 June 2022 09: 54
            Yeah.

            In Syria, the main work was done from the air, moreover, with strategists and free-falling bombs.

            Apparently, NATO took this into account and attended to the preservation of air defense and their intelligence.

            What the author proposes looks reasonable.
            The problem may also be that few people in large headquarters are ready to take responsibility for the possible loss of aircraft and pilots,
            And with a high probability of a conflict with NATO, such losses are unacceptable.

            We need UAVs, many and different, sharpened specifically to combat air defense.




          2. -10
            26 June 2022 00: 55
            It is believed that we surrendered Iraq altogether, among other things, having transferred the frequency grids of radar stations (RLS), previously supplied to Iraq by anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM).

            You, fellow newspaper correspondent, are a provocateur. And it makes no sense to read your article. You wrote a voluminous text only to cram what is quoted above into it. Everything else, what has been known for so long, is sauce, so that the rest of the fools swallow easier. If I see you in person someday, I'll hit you in the face, very hard.
        2. 0
          24 June 2022 12: 36
          Quote: user
          Yes, what determination is there, the majority in the West has money, children, real estate,

          Tell me specifically, which of those who make decisions in Russia
          Quote: user
          in the West money, children, real estate, RESIDENCE PERMIT OR SECOND CITIZENSHIP
          1. -13
            24 June 2022 13: 28
            Putin VV Daughters of foreign citizens living abroad..... Questions?
            1. +5
              24 June 2022 13: 37
              Quote: super-vitek
              Questions?
              Address.
            2. +15
              24 June 2022 13: 44
              Quote: super-vitek
              Putin V. V. Daughters of foreign citizens living abroad

              Can you disclose your source? As far as I know about this, Vladimir Putin zealously protects their personal life and health and it is not known for certain what they are doing. It is understandable that the past in the KGB makes itself felt.
              The President only confirmed that his daughters live in Russia. "They live in Russia and never went anywhere for permanent residence," Putin said. "They didn't get an education anywhere except Russia. They studied only in Russian universities." The head of state noted that until recently the press claimed that his daughters were getting an education and permanently living abroad. "Now, thank God, no one writes about it," he remarked. including on security issues," the head of state said. He also noted that every person has the right to his own destiny. Putin said that his daughters "were never star children, they never enjoyed the fact that spotlights were directed at them."

              "They just live their lives and do it with dignity," the president concluded.
              https://tass.ru/obschestvo/2537093
              1. -11
                24 June 2022 15: 25
                Has anyone tried to write during the reign of Hitlerführer that there is Jewish blood in his ancestors? Not a single newspaper, thank God, wrote about it. Until the moment when the Red Army was in Berlin. Then he took poison and shot himself to be sure. He groaned for a long time. And one of the generals said to his artilleryman - the Fuhrer needs help and he went in. There was a shot. Artinarets came out and said - our Fuhrer committed suicide. It's time to fry it. There is also such an anecdote about Fima, who constantly lied. Once Monya is walking down the street, Fima is walking towards him. Monya passed by and did not pay attention to Fima. That's why you didn't say hello to me. Syoma told me that you were dead. But you see that I'm alive. Monya, you know, I trust Syoma more than you.
                1. +7
                  25 June 2022 05: 11
                  that is, you, like a Jew, believe more in another Jew than in our president? Are you by any chance Petrosyan? wink
                2. 0
                  19 February 2024 12: 44
                  Information from the foam category.
              2. -4
                25 June 2022 13: 12
                One daughter lived in Holland, and after the downing of the plane over the Donbass, the population will become indignant.
            3. +8
              24 June 2022 14: 40
              Can you confirm this with objective information?
            4. +7
              24 June 2022 16: 11
              Quote: super-vitek
              Putin VV Daughters of foreign citizens living abroad..... Questions?

              Question one. Why are you posting false information? Do you want to sit down? bully
              1. -1
                28 June 2022 12: 54
                Under what law does the discussion of the residence of Putin's daughters abroad fall under?
                1. -1
                  28 June 2022 13: 01
                  Quote: tone
                  Under what law does the discussion of the residence of Putin's daughters abroad fall under?

                  Article 128.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "Slander". For example Yes
                  1. 0
                    28 June 2022 14: 03
                    Ha, there will be a court right and they will officially reveal to us the place of residence of Putin's daughters?
                    1. 0
                      28 June 2022 14: 08
                      Quote: tone
                      Ha, there will be a court

                      Maybe so. Depends on your perseverance.

                      Quote: tone
                      will we officially reveal the place of residence of Putin's daughters?

                      It is unlikely. But they will put a bracelet on their leg, that's at least Yes
                      1. -2
                        28 June 2022 14: 14
                        Why if there is no evidence that they are in Russia? Or spit on the law? So there is evidence that they are in Russia, but what's the point of hiding it? And if they hide it, can the truth be uncomfortable?
                      2. +1
                        28 June 2022 14: 23
                        Quote: tone
                        ... if not... by the way...

                        You have something stuck there, renew the lubricant laughing
                    2. +1
                      28 June 2022 14: 17
                      Quote: tone
                      Ha, there will be a court right and they will officially reveal to us the place of residence of Putin's daughters?

                      No, everything is simpler, you will be assigned a new place of residence and work in the far north under escort and the barking of guard dogs. In Komi for example. for five years ... Get to know interesting people , inmates , learn interesting criminal traditions . master the criminal jargon. And in five years, if you survive, they will let you go to your mother.
                      1. 0
                        29 June 2022 13: 52
                        And terror and intimidation, is that what it means now? Well, that's interesting. Sent to the Kolyma because of Putin's daughters, did he even understand how it sounds? Where are you recruited? There is no money to spend on UAVs, so that the whole of Russia does not arrange fees in a cart, they contain stupid Kremlinbots. So the Ukrainians cannot be defeated, it is necessary to redistribute cash flows ...
                      2. -3
                        29 June 2022 14: 20
                        Everything is much simpler - Article 128.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "Slander". Read, familiarize yourself
            5. +1
              25 June 2022 09: 59
              Quote: super-vitek
              Putin VV Daughters of foreign citizens living abroad..... Questions?


              1. Where does the information come from?
              2. Confirmation.
              3. Previously, "fighters for a new Russia" wrote that one of the daughters of the President works in the management of a large medical company in Russia. Without facts and evidence, at least I myself have not met such people.
              Have you thought about abroad?

            6. 0
              5 August 2022 22: 57
              From what regions? Or do you have in the smoking room and do not say that?
          2. +9
            24 June 2022 21: 49
            Yes, EVERYONE steals. The system of others (not thieves) simply rejects.
            Drive along Rublyovka and New Riga. All these mansions (far from the only housing) worth hundreds of millions of rubles are almost all of them. Ess-but and certainly bought exclusively for salary and savings on the passbook.
            1. -3
              25 June 2022 13: 16
              Light rises in price from July 1 to 1 ruble with kopecks and this is 30 percent. Products and things are more expensive than Europe.
              1. 0
                19 February 2024 12: 48
                Is it your conscience that doesn’t allow you to read, for example, Carlson Taken, or your stupid convictions?
          3. 0
            28 June 2022 12: 53
            Putin, his daughters.
        3. +2
          24 June 2022 21: 15
          What is the determination?
          I don't think it's a matter of determination. To actually start a war with the West, where "all children live" and so on. impossible without determination.
          Here are our possibilities, unfortunately, not always coincide with our desires (determination).
          It is now quite clear that it was not possible to completely suppress the dill air defense. And they managed to hide part of the combat aircraft, apparently, they had information about the time of the massive attack on airfields at the beginning of the NWO. Due to the presence of air defense systems, it is not possible to carry out a full-fledged isolation of the combat area in the Donbass by aviation forces, to destroy bridges, stations, etc.
          What to do?
          Properly use what is, continue to knock out air defense systems like the Kh-31, and using the Iskander OTRK and sea and air-based missile systems.
          Not being able to suppress air defense and NATO reconnaissance AWACS throughout the dill, it may be necessary to mass the forces in separate directions.
          For example, to create a strong anti-aircraft missile suppression group in the Donbass from the Su-35S, Su-57 and attract the best reconnaissance equipment, from undercover to space. Destroy the air defense systems in the DPR zone and, without giving time to restore the air defense system, massively bomb SDs, warehouses, stations, etc. in this zone with front-line aviation using the SVP-24 system. To process, for example, the positions near Avdiivka, you see, and not only the fire on Donetsk will stop, but the fortified area itself can be taken.
        4. -1
          28 June 2022 12: 51
          And almost the entire list of this majority is on the Internet ......
      2. +33
        24 June 2022 04: 44
        we do not use our military potential at the proper level.
        The most important factor to pay attention to!
        And if you remember that in our country, at the height of the fighting, more than a third of the entire number of aircraft were preparing for parades within a month, the funny thing is that due to the weather, the air part of the parade over Red Square did not even take place. It can be concluded that the enemy is underestimated and his capabilities are overestimated. This war is still not taken seriously in high offices.
        1. +48
          24 June 2022 05: 00
          Quote: Vadmir
          This war is still not taken seriously in high offices.

          They in high offices stopped taking the population of Russia seriously and brought the country to the handle in matters of domestic heavy engineering.
          And the ecology of the regions does not bother even those appointed governors who give the green light to the ruin of the entrusted lands.
        2. +41
          24 June 2022 06: 13
          This war is still not taken seriously in high offices.

          No, how they perceive it. It's just that she goes not quite for what we think and what is declared .. She goes for a seat at the table where the Right Boys decide the fate of the world. Something that our newly-minted type of elite was denied with contempt for 30 years. This is the real goal. The fate of Russia and our people are just side effects from it. In general, not very important.

          Based on these considerations, then all this epic crap that is happening before our eyes, whether in the military, in the political, in the economic aspects, gets a completely clear and precise explanation ..
          1. -4
            24 June 2022 07: 14
            I doubt. After all, there are a lot of factors. It cannot be reduced only to the proletarian "the tsar stupidly wants power and world domination."
            Or the country will be kept for hundreds of years as a native slave, oppressed and humiliated every minute, thrown into prisons, bitten off territories, smashed even temporary allies, set fire to borders, promised and never fulfilled, held at gunpoint and threatened, taken away and blocked money and resources.
            So get to the table with your enemies on an equal footing - finding a false motive for making decisions.
            1. +11
              24 June 2022 07: 42
              It cannot be reduced only to the proletarian "the tsar stupidly wants power and world domination."

              The political party is no different from the street. Or you will start with your feet, or they will continue to carry water on you. So, there’s nothing at all, just roll up our sleeves and threaten “next time you will get it from me”
            2. +10
              24 June 2022 12: 25
              So get to the table with your enemies on an equal footing - finding a false motive for making decisions.

              Duc - our PP will get to the table on an equal footing !! And they decide for him - they will have their own problems, and by no means ours. On ours - put them with the device ..
            3. +1
              25 June 2022 05: 24
              this is impossible in your understanding, but in the understanding of the "members of the forum" who came running in, for the most part it is possible. And that is how they understand everything that is happening. Apparently through the prism of the personal, not otherwise. let them throw minuses, but .. here the contra has really gathered. instead of those who lived here 8 years ago. And massively bombs those who disagree. It can, of course, be such that people are narrow-minded - as you say - proletarians, 3 classes of education in a parochial school .. also explains. youthful maximalism, a black and white world, the demand for victories immediately after the declaration of war, well, maximum on the second day. And then - they will call everyone zradniks, tie them to poles and .. even I’m not going there, but that’s what it reminds of ..
          2. -8
            24 June 2022 07: 44
            It's just that she goes not quite for what we think and what is declared .. She goes for a place at the table where the Right Boys decide the fate of the world. Something that our newly-minted type of elite was denied with contempt for 30 years. This is the real goal. The fate of Russia and our people are just side effects from it.
            Few can now afford to decide the fate of the world and their own destiny, they can be counted on the fingers of one hand. And conquering this place is precisely in the interests of Russia. Only a Great Power can afford this and its leader. For this and the struggle - for the right to be called a Great Power. And this is always through blood and through war, there is no other way.
            1. 0
              24 June 2022 10: 51
              Only a Great Power can afford this and its leader. For this and the struggle - for the right to be called a Great Power. And this is always through blood and through war, there is no other way.


              It is for people like you that the special operation is "conceived", but we live in "poverty", but on the other hand we are a great power.
              1. -2
                24 June 2022 11: 36
                What do you live in poverty?. If you don't like living like this, change jobs. Small salary? Learn a different profession. Not happy with the country, so the borders are open.
                Do you think that fighting is bad?. So forward to the military registration and enlistment office. If you are already old, then who is to blame that at one time you did not stand up with weapons for the USSR? If young, then learn endurance and the ability to think logically, turning off emotions.

                Ukraine is not a small country, especially since it was prepared in advance for an invasion from Russia. They dispersed a lot of military equipment there, including air defense and aviation. And since ours made such a decision, and it is based on different types of intelligence, it means that it should be so.
                In the east of Ukraine, a shock fist from the most trained Ukrainian military was concentrated. Here they grind it.
                Further. Look at the map of Ukraine. There are hundreds of different roads. Even if aviation worked freely, then they would not be blocked. Moreover, the transfer of military cargo can be carried out not only by railway trains, but also with the help of single transport (trailers). Yes, even by rail by a passenger train mixed with passenger cars. Broken traction power substations? Yes, friends, the Balts have already thrown them fuel trucks. You do not chase after each such goal.
                The task of our military in Ukraine is to knock out as many personnel as possible. And the tactics are correct - it is fuel and lubricants reserves and temporary warehouses or unloading points for equipment when it arrives there, maintenance points that are being explored and destroyed. Control and communication points.
                Everything far away is destroyed by high-precision weapons, all the more they work out the tactics of use and attack, plus they remove the identified technical shortcomings of the types of weapons. Yes, in our GENERAL STAFF there is no one whose children study abroad .. These were taken out of state a few years ago.
                1. +8
                  24 June 2022 11: 49
                  And further. Waging war with the West is being practiced. And there, just actions similar to those in Ukraine are and will be carried out.
                  Oh, and aviation. A relatively mobile war is being waged there. Targets are often displaced or withdrawn when they are detected by reconnaissance and surveillance equipment. And front-line aviation can fly to an empty place and not complete the task, and this costs a lot of money.
                  Therefore, it is used when the goals are more or less static, for example, fortified areas. Well, long-range aviation can and does use its weapons anyway. For her, the main thing is the precise definition of goals.

                  Well, about the right guys. Do not forget that there was a transformation of one system into another. It's just the way it is
                  does not pass, especially on the scale of such a country. This is why a lot of deformities and freaks appeared in our country and its economy. You can’t brush them off the territory of the country with a wave of your hand.
                  Take at least the first poezidentov Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Two scum in supreme power!. And what, from them it was possible to expect something good? There was a struggle for power to the death. Yes, and there are questions about the past of the ancestors of both.
                  So you just need to believe in your country and help it, well, at least with moral support and not whining
                  ,, everything is gone, we will all die ,,!
                  1. -4
                    24 June 2022 23: 12
                    You should write novels! Historical (literacy would be improved, rather weak)! How everything was laid out - simply, intelligibly. And all the culprits have been identified! And even elements of predictions! Or try to get a job on RenTV. There is also no need to think and logic is not needed!
                    1. +6
                      25 June 2022 05: 30
                      But you are in the right place)) on the forum like a cat in slippers .. he did not give a single counterargument, but poured a ram on his opponent from head to toe.
                2. +10
                  24 June 2022 12: 25
                  Look at the map of Ukraine. There are hundreds of different roads. Even if aviation worked freely, they would not be blocked all of them. Moreover, the transfer of military cargo can be carried out not only by railway trains, but also with the help of a single transport


                  There is no need to destroy hundreds of roads, it is enough to destroy a dozen bridges across the Dnieper and Eastern Ukraine will be completely separated from the western one.
                  Bomb it. D node Lvov and all arms supplies from Poland will stop.
                  1. -12
                    24 June 2022 12: 38
                    There is no need to destroy hundreds of roads, it is enough to destroy a dozen bridges across the Dnieper and Eastern Ukraine will be completely separated from the western one.
                    Bomb it. D node Lvov and all arms supplies from Poland will stop.

                    But you didn’t think about the fact that the goal is possible precisely in the destruction of these weapons, and not in preventing supplies for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The more you destroy, the less the NATO countries will have.
                    1. +9
                      24 June 2022 12: 56
                      I didn't say not to bomb!
                      First of all, it is necessary to stop the supply of weapons and reserves to the combat zone in the Donbass.
                    2. +7
                      24 June 2022 15: 07
                      The cunning plane is so cunning ... Having reached the front line, this weapon kills our soldiers and civilians. And as for its deficit in Nata, anyway, we don’t seem to be going to attack them, so even the deficit formed for a short time will not only be not fatal, it’s not noticeable for
                      them. And then ... Have you heard the words - military Keynesianism? Just on a wave of hysteria - de all the prodigies left for the war with the Russians ... Well, how can the military-industrial complex be loaded with orders! So the logic that you voiced is very bad. Since it involves the exchange of our losses for profit for the lobbyists of the Western military-industrial complex ...
                  2. -2
                    24 June 2022 16: 47
                    Quote: assault
                    There is no need to destroy hundreds of roads, it is enough to destroy a dozen bridges across the Dnieper and

                    The technology of building pontoon bridges has been known for more than a century.
                3. -8
                  24 June 2022 12: 42
                  What do you live in poverty?. If you don't like living like this, change jobs. Small salary? Learn a different profession. Not happy with the country, so the borders are open.


                  No, I don’t live in poverty, on the contrary, it’s just a boom in IT, but I can’t afford a four-lane autobahn between Novosibirsk and Barnaul, and I can’t afford good ecology either. When I was in Europe, in particular in the Czech Republic, Germany, and even in Croatia, I saw what real public transport is. With elevators in the subway, with a clear schedule of buses / trams, etc.
                  1. +9
                    24 June 2022 12: 58
                    Electric trains in Germany run very badly, constantly violate the schedule. Being late for 20-30 minutes is considered the norm there.
                    On RZD, such a delay is extremely rare ....
                  2. +5
                    25 June 2022 05: 38
                    Come visit us in Krasnoyarsk and you will see a clear schedule of buses and other public transport. Even on the map you can see where the bus goes and when it will arrive. You are always unlucky in N-sk with governors. I haven’t been to Europe, but the Germans rolled along the boundless. Somehow we drive up to the SSH hydroelectric power station, and there, after the accident (or maybe before it), the road is still just killed to death, I gradually become ashamed, I am silent .. the German woman sees and says - we also have such roads, if you leave from the center, autobahns are far from everywhere .. maybe it wouldn’t hurt you to drive in Europe not only along autobahns? The year was before covid - 2018.
                    1. +2
                      25 June 2022 14: 35
                      There are a lot of correct and not so written letters about the ongoing Hot party.
                      Let's go for the life of the people.
                      About well, they mainly write from megacities where large enterprises operate, and the defense industry will restore what has been spent for another "hundred" years, working in three shifts.
                      Let's look at hundreds of small towns with an average salary of 20 to 30 tyr.
                      How many industrial enterprises are built in the regions to create jobs.
                      Most of the people there are imprisoned for deforestation, working at sawmills without registration, collecting metal and other small "joys".
                      Well, about the party.
                      Try to find an opportunity to listen (read) People from the front.
                      About our means of communication. About the initial desire to shower the "Papuans" with hats, about the tactical mistakes of Gsh.
                      in planning. About the fact that from 200 to 300 thousand rounds of ammunition and from 20 to 30 artillery shots are spent to defeat one enemy by the grouping of the Russian Federation, DNR, LNR.
                      In general, not everything is so simple.
                      As a person who has devoted 40 years to communication systems, I can say that the suppression of the enemy by means of electronic warfare (energy impact complexes) works well at the training ground.
                      1. 0
                        26 June 2022 09: 48
                        Quote from northwest
                        from 200 to 300 is spent to defeat one enemy by the grouping of the Russian Federation, DNR, LNR thousands cartridges

                        Why so muchУthose numbers?
                      2. +2
                        26 June 2022 17: 51
                        In order not to get into undiscussed topics, Art. 207.3
                        Perhaps, in terms of cartridges, sometimes an order of magnitude less. You divide the number of people killed per day by 50-60 thousand rocket-artillery rounds per day. 300 million rounds a month.
                      3. 0
                        26 June 2022 17: 58
                        Quote from northwest
                        You divide the number of people killed per day by 50-60 thousand rocket and artillery rounds per day

                        Does equipment, fortifications, etc. kill themselves there and does not require shells / missiles?

                        Quote from northwest
                        300 million rounds a month

                        Where is the data from? Like about

                        Quote from northwest
                        50-60 thousand rocket and artillery rounds per day

                        however.

                        In general - the question remains until it is clear request
                4. 0
                  25 June 2022 04: 16
                  If you don't like living like this, change jobs. Small salary? Learn a different profession. Not happy with the country, so the borders are open.

                  If the president does not like what to do?
              2. +4
                24 June 2022 16: 38
                It is for people like you that the special operation is "conceived", but we live in "poverty", but on the other hand we are a great power.
                You are right, I was born and raised in a Great Power called the USSR and I want to live in a Great Power. And before the USSR, my country was called the Russian Empire and was also a Great Power, and the people never lived like in Switzerland. For those born later, this may be difficult to understand. And yes, the Great Power is forced to have a large army and fleet, which is expensive, to help its vassals at the expense of the welfare of its citizens. Forced to wage local and proxy wars, which cost the people dearly. But no one ever decides her fate without her. The interests of the State do not always coincide with the interests of the people. But Russia has an imperial structure, not being an empire and a Great Power, it is doomed to collapse. This means that the Russian people are doomed to either live in a Great Power or disappear, dissolve among other peoples.
                1. -8
                  24 June 2022 16: 59
                  A great power is forced to have a large army and navy, which is expensive, help their vassals at the expense of the welfare of their citizens.


                  Who told you such nonsense?

                  But no one ever decides her fate without her.

                  But Russia has an imperial structure, not being an empire and a Great Power, it is doomed to collapse.


                  Again, some categorical statements are not clear on what they are based, especially given the fact that the Republic of Ingushetia ceased to exist, the USSR ceased to exist, and each time there was a breakaway of territories. Two previous disasters are not enough for you, and you want to get another one?
                  1. +10
                    24 June 2022 17: 34
                    Ingushetia ceased to exist, the USSR ceased to exist, and every time there was a breakaway of territories.
                    Each time this happened because of the betrayal of the elites, who rely on a tiny part of society that has views close to you, they also liked how they live in a cozy Europe, they also wanted to live like they did there, and that the transport would work like in the Czech Republic or Germany.
                    That's just a proven fact that the golden billion does not accept new members, and no one needs Russians there. Nobody in Europe has ever considered us as their own and does not want to consider us. In order for the golden billion to live sweetly, colonies with natives are needed, which can be robbed. Therefore, we do not have a choice between European prosperity and great power, there is no choice between independence and a colony country. Between building your own - the Russian world, your own civilizational model and servility to the great white man, well, or the great yellow man.
                    1. -6
                      24 June 2022 17: 50
                      Each time this happened because of the betrayal of the elites, who rely on a tiny part of society that has views close to you, they also liked how they live in a cozy Europe, they also wanted to live like they did there, and that the transport would work like in the Czech Republic or Germany.



                      You do not find this fact interesting, maybe this is something wrong with the structure of the Empire and you still need to think first of all about your citizens, than about some vassals. And then, unexpectedly, almost all the “subjects” of the Empire become “traitors” in general, as was the case with the USSR.

                      That's just a proven fact that the golden billion does not accept new members, and no one needs Russians there.


                      Yes, the roads are normal four-lane roads, normal public transport, corruption, etc. to crush or limit the terms of office of the highest officials of the state, this also does not allow the “golden billion” to be done, no matter what or whoever this “golden billion” is?

                      No one has ever considered us as their own in Europe and does not want to consider us.


                      So let them not consider them and we do not consider them ours, I don’t see a problem at all.
              3. +4
                25 June 2022 03: 56
                Listen to Musagaliev's song, ~x... Are you whining, huh? ~.
              4. 0
                5 July 2022 07: 30
                Do not use sophisms (absurd arguments, imposed consequences, etc.). In fact, living in poverty means homeless people on a heating main without a livelihood, and a short life. Everyone else is just snickering and freaking out with fat. They have a job, salaries, pensions, benefits, housing, a lot of clothes and shoes, everything can be bought in the store. And even they have cars, trips to the seas and islands. But everything is not enough, everyone is dissatisfied, and greedily trumpets about poverty. Like, in the West, how sweetly they live (some gay Europeans). This is a philosophy that is based on gluttony and greed. Let's not count!
                The special operation was not designed for parasites at all.
          3. -1
            24 June 2022 10: 46
            And that the right guys from Russia did not live well until February 24, resources were sold, yachts were bought, real estate was bought, but they still had a good time. It can go a little further, if on the outside everything was not bad for the right guys, then inside Russia things were not going in the best way, then the whole video archive of torture was leaked from the Federal Penitentiary Service, then Navalny flew in here, shot a video about some palaces, then in Khabarovsk they danced for a long time, then some kind of scandals when the gopniks kept and received tribute, and in general, outside of Moscow, the standard of living fell, and then Putin “zeroed out” and if you monitor the social. the network does not say that it was directly received with joy, in general, there is definitely a protest ground.
            And Ukraine turned up successfully, you can divert attention from all internal problems to it, and then for another three or four years, victoriously tell how the Russian people were saved in Ukraine, celebrate the day of Ukraine's annexation.
            1. +5
              24 June 2022 11: 15
              celebrate the day of the accession of Ukraine.

              Do not worry, there will be no such day, there will be a day of liquidation of the sub-state.
              1. -5
                24 June 2022 11: 24
                So it doesn't matter, joining/liquidating doesn't solve internal problems.
                1. 0
                  24 June 2022 11: 51
                  So it doesn't matter joining / liquidating does not solve internal problems

                  But it is possible that the NWO will open the eyes of some to internal problems and eliminate the fifth column from power.
                  1. -4
                    24 June 2022 12: 44
                    What fifth column from power? Are you hinting at someone on our very own? Who has been in power since the distant 99?
                    1. +4
                      24 June 2022 13: 53
                      Chubais has already escaped, and I think there will be more beauties like Kudrin and Siluanov.
                      1. -2
                        24 June 2022 14: 11
                        Chubais has not been in power for a long time, let me remind you about power:

                        Putin head of the FSB 98-99, then acting president, president, prime minister, president again.
                        Bortnikov has been the head of the FSB since 2008.
                        Kolokoltsev has been Interior Minister since 2012.
                        Zolotov has been the head of the Russian Guard since 2016 (since its inception)
                        Bastrykin has been the head of the investigative committee since 2011.
                        Chaika - Prosecutor General from 2006 to 2020, now Krasnov, who previously served as Deputy Chairman of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation since 2016.
                        Shoigu has been Minister of Defense since 2012.
                        Gerasimov has been the head of the General Staff since 2012.
                        Naryshkin Head of the Foreign Intelligence Service since 2016
                        Chikhankin Director of the Federal Financial Monitoring Service since 2008

                        And now tell me which of them is the fifth column in power? Because the real power in Russia belongs to the people listed above.
                      2. -2
                        24 June 2022 14: 23
                        Because the real power in Russia belongs to the people listed above.

                        The real power belongs to the oligarchs and bankers, and now, because of the sanctions, this power is crumbling. Although gas pipelines and oil pipelines operate through Ukraine. And we are waiting for the APU to run out of gasoline. Do you have double vision from this fact?
                      3. -4
                        24 June 2022 14: 28
                        The real power belongs to the oligarchs and bankers, and now, because of the sanctions, this power is crumbling.

                        That is, you are saying that the above-named comrades are only puppets in the hands of some kind of Russian oligarchs and bankers? And who, then, is the fifth column in power?

                        Although gas pipelines and oil pipelines operate through Ukraine. And we are waiting for the APU to run out of gasoline. Do you have double vision from this fact?


                        If you understand the topic a little, it will become clear that cutting off the supply of resources to Europe first of all hits us, this is a stoppage of production, this is the conservation of deposits, and the loss of money. What can be deployed to China and India.
            2. +3
              25 June 2022 10: 16
              Liberal whiner....
          4. +1
            24 June 2022 17: 38
            at least there are sane thinkers here! And then in the news v.o. only patriots in rose-colored glasses)
          5. 0
            27 June 2022 20: 09
            It has always been so. Russian Empire, World War I, WWII.

            Politicians compete, arrange wars. The people are ideologically tuned and carry out the task.

            Everything is as it should be. And it's good that people believe, otherwise they would become a colony.

            A lot of drama... Everything is decided in a field that political scientists call real politic.
        3. +10
          24 June 2022 10: 53
          the funny thing is that due to the weather, the air part of the parade over Red Square did not even take place

          In all cities (18, it seems) the weather was fine, in Moscow too.
          No need to be "7 spans in the forehead"
          Approximately 4400 MANPADS were poured into Ukraine, you can’t distinguish an ethnic Ukrainian from a Russian (if he doesn’t pull on trousers and let go of someone). They were afraid of a terrorist attack. Passing parade, parade aircraft is an easy target.
          This war is still not taken seriously in high offices.

          Perceive, already somewhere in the middle of March. Just:
          -do not know how
          - do not want ("to whom is war, and to whom is mother dear")
          -Where and in what countries did those "from high offices" study?
        4. -6
          24 June 2022 17: 47
          As I understand it, a group of experts who have fought fairly well, who have experience in managing huge masses of troops in the rank, no lower than a colonel, candidates and doctors of military sciences, have gathered here? Have you ever entered these very "high offices"? Do you have any idea what's going on in them? And what third "of the total number of aircraft" are you talking about? Very surprised...
        5. 0
          25 June 2022 13: 24
          What an estimate. For 20 years they have not been able to decide who lives where. According to Putin, we get well when something is added, he says in percentages, 8,5 percent of 12000 rubles of a pension, how much it will be. That in Europe it’s very bad, but we have paradise. They say that we live better than in Africa or similar countries. We are blacks, and why not compare the standard of living with Switzerland. The leadership of Russia lives at this level, they could buy real estate over the hill, keep money there, thank God they cut it off. Send them to Chukotka to work.
      3. +10
        24 June 2022 07: 39
        Hello, this does not go well with these 11 ths sanctions. Will Russia behave in the old way after the WZO? You have everything, including talented people. You need a few years only as time. You have little of the most important resource - there are still 100-200 million Russians.
      4. 0
        29 August 2022 13: 18
        And there is! The lion's share of our elites, including officials, at the region-district-city level, sleep and see how everything will return "in the ass" and they will again cut the loot using schemes and spend it on Courchevel and Mallorca. They and others like them allow the return of the pseudo-cultural elite, giving them the opportunity to earn money in Russia.
    2. -4
      24 June 2022 04: 27
      About the determination-Denisova, who "massive rapes" received a criminal offense for lying and so on in the entire Russian Federation and more widely in the Russian Federation?
      Bucha? Kramatorsk?
      Will we steal war criminals from Canada?
    3. +17
      24 June 2022 04: 55
      But what about determination, what is not very good with means, with determination, for sure.
      I don't think it's a lack of determination, but rather an underestimation of the seriousness of the ongoing war. In underestimating the enemy (before the war, "experts" believed that the Ukrainian army would quickly fall apart and begin to surrender in batches, and civilians would greet our army with flowers). Reassessment of its forces involved in the NMD (before the war, all "experts" believed that Russia would easily and naturally defeat Ukraine in 1-2 weeks). Apparently not those experts believed. Sobering up is somehow too slow, in 3 months of the war there should not have been a trace of illusions, in theory.
      1. -1
        24 June 2022 06: 47
        Quote: Vadmir
        "experts" believed that the Ukrainian army would quickly fall apart and begin to surrender in batches, and civilians would greet our army with flowers). Reassessment of its forces involved in the NMD (before the war, all "experts" believed that Russia would easily and naturally defeat Ukraine in 1-2 weeks). Apparently not those experts were trusted

        In fact, if it were not for the support of US arms and money, then it would have been so. After all, the GDP warned: "Just try to intervene ...", but somehow they did not listen to him. This support was not expected. As for the Ukrainian planes, yes, they fly very low, literally "over the roofs", but there are no more twos, just as there are fewer helicopters. So all is not yet lost.
        1. +9
          24 June 2022 07: 45
          After all, the GDP warned: "Just try to intervene ..."

          Exactly. They tried, then they interfered strongly. So what??? But nothing. And so on, more, and again "just try"
      2. -1
        25 June 2022 10: 39
        The author purely theoretically discussed the capture of the sky over the largest country in Europe with multi-level air defense and full support from neighboring European countries.
        There is such an anecdote - theoretically, son. you and I are millionaires, but in practice two 2 &-di and one old pi ... r live in the hut with us.
        In the existing theater of operations, dominance in the sky will cost us all aviation. And after that, everything will be the way it is now.
      3. 0
        25 June 2022 13: 25
        There is no one to fight, there are very few people. Yes, and not very willing.
    4. +21
      24 June 2022 05: 18
      Things are small - determination and means.

      As recently as yesterday, he again described the situation with the use of aviation. Andrei, of course, painted everything beautifully from the point of view of a journalist, but in practice everything is absolutely not like that. All this hunting for air defense systems on the territory of Ukraine will resemble an analogy: imagine you enter a dark room from the street with a pistol in your hands and try to destroy a man with a machine gun there. Who has more chances? Comparison with Yugoslavia and Iraq in any way. The coalition was able to attract about 600 units there. combat aircraft for various purposes without prejudice to the defense capability of their countries. The loss of 10% of the aircraft also did not shake it. In addition, the Americans had both the tools and knowledge of how to hack into the air defenses of enemy countries. And still lost at least 10% of aircraft and helicopters.
      We do not have the opportunity to attract the same grouping to suppress the air defense of Ukraine without reducing the country's defense capability. And even if we collect everything we have, then without the experience of suppressing air defense, we will get much more losses from Ukrainian air defense - 20,30% .... I won’t guess. The aviation of the coalition made 35 to suppress the resistance of the enemy. combat missions. If we extrapolate this number to our capabilities, then after the defeat of Ukraine, our fleet of surviving combat aircraft can be safely written off after the development of the material resource. How will we protect the country from NATO, which is now at the maximum stage of excitement?
      I won't say that the theater of operations of Ukraine cannot be compared with the theater of operations of Iraq or Syria. The area is 3 times larger and extends with its rear to the border with countries hostile to us. That is, the Ukrainians can delay their air defense there, and we don’t have much opportunity to fly there. The story of the destruction of our Su-24 on the border with Turkey can easily be repeated to us. Given the range of the S-300VP, in order for tactical aviation to operate safely over the battlefield in the area of ​​Pesok and Avdiivka, it is necessary to suppress all Ukrainian air defense up to the Dnieper. To work in Kyiv, it is necessary to suppress air defense up to the border with Romania.
      So the current tactics, so disliked by supporters of grandiose raids a la armada B-25 on Dresden, do not seem to me to be some kind of weakness of our command.
      1. +10
        24 June 2022 06: 27
        I'm an amateur, can you explain how you got together
        How will we protect the country from NATO, which is now at the maximum stage of excitement?

        If
        We do not have the opportunity to attract the same grouping to suppress the air defense of Ukraine without reducing the country's defense capability. And even if we collect everything we have, then without the experience of suppressing air defense, we will get much more losses from Ukrainian air defense - 20,30% .... I won’t guess. The aviation of the coalition made 35 to suppress the resistance of the enemy. combat missions. If we extrapolate this number to our capabilities, then after the defeat of Ukraine, our fleet of surviving combat aircraft can be safely written off after the development of the material resource.

        After all, NATO is not Ukraine, it is an order of magnitude more equipped and trained enemy in quantitative and qualitative terms.
        And if, as you write, that our aviation is enough even to gain air supremacy in Ukraine. How will she be able to protect the Russian Federation from the NATO bloc, why do you propose to protect her?
        1. +6
          24 June 2022 06: 36
          do not compare two strategic tasks - the suppression of enemy air defense over its territory (Ukraine) and air defense tasks over its territory (Russia). Completely different specs. Over its territory, our aviation interacts with air reconnaissance systems, covered by its own air defense systems and complement them. Over Ukraine, the opposite is true - it is necessary to catch the enemy's air defense systems, which are not fools and will act by ambush methods.
          1. +16
            24 June 2022 06: 47
            do not compare two strategic tasks - suppression of enemy air defense over its territory (Ukraine) and air defense tasks over its territory (Russia)

            Those. I understand correctly over Ukraine 300 with a penny of aviation and focal air defense consisting of rare medium-range complexes + MANPADS represents an insurmountable obstacle for us
            But if we start fighting with NATO, against 800 F-35s and several thousand F-16s and F-15s, with AWACS aircraft, and air defense systems of both short and long range, will we have any problems?

            Sorry, hard to believe

            If there is not enough aviation, then it is necessary not to shake over each plane, blowing dust particles from it and allowing it to take off only for the parade. And to take and produce, at such a pace that there would be enough aviation for at least local conflicts, I’m already silent about global ones
            1. -2
              24 June 2022 06: 55
              Sorry, hard to believe

              you can believe even in the devil, even in Jesus (Vysotsky). This is everyone's personal right. Read the comments here, so half of them generally believe in pink ponies and fairies living on flowers laughing
              Those. I understand correctly

              you do not have any data on the density, zonality of air defense systems of Ukraine. You don't need to present your assumptions as facts.
              represents an insurmountable obstacle for us

              Any obstacle can be overcome in several ways. Bashing your forehead, as most people here dream, is the worst option.
              But if we start to fight with NATO

              assumption like "what if a meteorite falls on us." I have already answered above what is the difference between the two scenarios for the use of aviation. Why are you going to the second round?
              1. +9
                24 June 2022 07: 05
                assumption like "what if a meteorite falls on us." I have already answered above what is the difference between the two scenarios for the use of aviation.

                I already understood that I should argue with you? Do you think that we will not be able to Ukraine, and NATO without problems, so who will convince you?
                It’s sad if they think the same in the General Staff, because in my humble opinion realists should still work there
                1. +2
                  24 June 2022 07: 25
                  no need to attribute to me what you think. I never talked about whether we can or can not Ukraine. As well as the same with respect to NATO. I have described above the problems that call into question the realism of the destruction of Ukrainian air defense. There are other options (except for draining a significant part of our aviation in a military operation that is not a strategic threat to our country) to solve the problem of Ukrainian air defense. We can only guess and speculate. Each based on their awareness and mental abilities
                2. -4
                  24 June 2022 08: 32
                  we are now at war with NATO
                  1. +8
                    24 June 2022 11: 07
                    No, Nastya, we are now at war with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which are supported by NATO countries. They are supported mainly by the supply of weapons, other types of supplies, instructors and the training of Sumerian specialists for the operation of NATO technology.
                    1. -1
                      25 June 2022 16: 11
                      Up to 80 Polish mercenaries were destroyed by high-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Konstantinovka - who is this? Mushroom pickers? And such from the NATO countries are NATO soldiers - because they served in the NATO armies
                      1. +2
                        25 June 2022 22: 22
                        These Polish "mushroom pickers" have been in / out since 2014, they were still caught in the squares of Kyiv during the Maidan. And then, near Slavyansk, my late comrade shot them for two dozen (only them) (commander of a group of snipers). But even then, and now these mushroom pickers are officially employees of PMCs or "volunteers" in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Officially, NATO did not introduce its troops into / on.
            2. +1
              26 June 2022 00: 34
              There will be a completely different war, and all these thousands of aircraft, with a high degree of probability, will turn into radioactive ashes.
      2. ban
        +3
        24 June 2022 09: 04
        To listen to you - why then aviation, framed it and on the wall, so what?
        If the Khohloreikhov warriors were bombed 24/7, how long would they last?
        The task of isolating the theater of operations is not solved by missiles alone, in principle, which has the most negative effect on the course of the NMD.
        The weakness of our command is the fear of losing expensive aircraft, which our military-industrial complex cannot quickly replenish. Again, the loss of flight personnel.
        Although in war, aircraft are the same consumable as everything else. In the Air Force, the main type should be a light and simple single-engine IS, which is not a pity to lose and can be quickly built. And so - they are trying to solve aviation problems with missiles. We see the result.
        1. -2
          24 June 2022 09: 26
          To listen to you - why then aviation, framed it and on the wall, so what?

          who makes you listen?
          If the Khohloreikhov warriors were bombed 24/7, how long would they last?

          if, yes, if...
          The task of isolating the theater of operations is not solved by missiles alone

          it is basically NOT POSSIBLE to isolate. It can be complicated, it can be limited, but until the border between Ukraine and Poland with Romania is cut off by motorized infantry units of the allied forces, all cries about "isolation" are just profanity. It's time for everyone to understand this and stop soaring in sweet dreams. As here one figure a couple of days ago wanted to cut the roads with the forces of the DRG.
          The weakness of our command is the fear of losing expensive aircraft, which our military-industrial complex cannot quickly replenish. Again, the loss of flight personnel.

          why is this a weakness of command? The command uses the military contingent assigned to it in the special operation.
          Although in war, aircraft are the same consumable as everything else.

          Yuri, try to think. Read and think. No need to rush to write comments. A special operation in Ukraine is no reason to burn down half of the fleet of military vehicles in service with the Russian Federation. You don't even know the general strategy of this special operation. And I don't know her. Why should we bleed our VKS? For the sake of what then we will remain with a bare bottom? Can you answer without populism?
          In the Air Force, the main type should be a light and simple single-engine IS, which is not a pity to lose and can be quickly built

          The preference in the Russian Aerospace Forces for heavy fighters has a very good reason today. Apparently you don't know her.
          And so - they are trying to solve aviation problems with missiles. We see the result

          you only see what you are shown. And build your conclusions based on this. This is the problem of the majority.
          1. ban
            +4
            24 June 2022 09: 50
            you only see what you are shown. And build your conclusions based on this. This is the problem of the majority.

            You will be surprised, but I don’t watch what everyone is shown. I have other sources.

            The preference in the Russian Aerospace Forces for heavy fighters has a very good reason today.

            And this reason is the size of the sawmill

            it is basically IMPOSSIBLE to isolate

            If you are not too lazy and open any directory - the main task of front-line aviation is to isolate the database area
            1. 0
              24 June 2022 11: 33
              You will be surprised, but I don’t watch what everyone is shown. I have other sources.

              ahh, well, I envy your secret sources lol
              And this reason is the size of the sawmill

              of course, there are no other options. Let's immediately go to the oligarchs, Navalny and "Putinslil", why pull.
              If you are not too lazy and open any directory - the main task of front-line aviation is to isolate the database area

              which any? A veterinarian's handbook? Juicer repair guide? What nonsense are you talking about? In your first comment, you had a more sensible line of reasoning .... What kind of isolation? From coronovirus? There is no such concept. Tactical aviation provides air support to ground troops. She has tasks from disrupting communications to destroying accumulations of manpower and equipment. There is no such "main task" - what task is set, such is performed.
              1. ban
                +3
                24 June 2022 11: 58
                Please do not write nonsense. At least a military encyclopedia or a naval dictionary.
                This is the basics
            2. +13
              24 June 2022 11: 41
              Quote: ban
              The preference in the Russian Aerospace Forces for heavy fighters has a very good reason today.

              And this reason is the size of the sawmill

              If the main interest was in the sawmill, then the Ministry of Defense would long ago have bought into the proposals of the Sukhoi Design Bureau of a single-engine light fighter ... in as many as three versions.
              lol And they would drink with gusto.
              The reason is the commercial approach , cost savings and the desire for optimization .
              A heavy fighter has a greater range, carries more weapons, can control more space, and therefore, fewer heavy aircraft are needed to control a certain area than light ones.
              This means fewer fighter regiments, but on heavy fighters.
              Fewer airfields for them.
              A smaller required number of pilots, technical personnel, and other regular positions.
              All this fit into the concept of "Small, compact, highly mobile, but well-equipped and highly professional Army" - in the words and deeds of our Supreme High Command.
              Today, this concept has clearly failed. The number does matter though. And a small army with a limited fleet is quite sensitive to losses.
              Therefore, in the current conditions and the existing fleet, intensive deep raids ... are contraindicated and irrational.
              But nevertheless, attack aircraft and attack helicopters are quite energetic.
              But not massively.
              For with a limited fleet, one should save the resource, because the whole war is still ahead.

              When some time ago I spoke in favor of the need and demand for an increase in the size of the Air Force by about 20 regiments (of which up to 10 regiments are in naval aviation, it is now not subordinate to the Navy), I was criticized for greed and hatred. And so... The war has come...
              And "unexpectedly" it turned out that we have little aviation, that we cannot assemble a large grouping without weakening other areas, and ... turned out to be quite sensitive to the losses of both aircraft and pilots.
              And the concept of a "small cozy army" ... is dying in convulsions.

              But this does not mean at all that it is necessary, as some suggest, to portray massiveness with the available aviation forces.
              In the end, it was precisely because we knew that we would have little aviation and would be enough in serious combat, except perhaps for air defense, 12 (twelve) missile brigades were deployed and re-equipped with Iskanders. And two more are currently being formed and deployed. This is just to compensate for aviation insufficiency.
              And this is one of the reasons why we do not run out of missiles to this day.
              And in the reserve (in storage) there are still about 10 Tochka-U missiles, which can also (AND SHOULD) be taken out and put into action for the sake of that very MASSIVITY.

              In the meantime, the RF Armed Forces and allied forces have a "frontier" strategy and tactics - a slow offensive with limited forces, with the grinding of enemy forces and the development of liberated territories.
              And when the Armed Forces take on the form appropriate for them (and this takes some time), the pace will accelerate. But tactics will not change. For it (such a tactic) allows you to solve the problem with minimal costs and difficulties, for the development of territories.
              And in the process of this "development" the world around us will also gradually change.
              He is already changing.
              And b\Ukraine is not the goal, but the means and instrument of these changes.
              1. ban
                +3
                24 June 2022 11: 56
                Good comment +.
                I agree with almost everything except

                a slow offensive by limited forces, with the grinding of enemy forces and the development of liberated territories.
                And when the Armed Forces take on the form appropriate for them (and this takes some time), the pace will accelerate. But tactics won't change


                The result is scorched earth.
                1. -2
                  24 June 2022 12: 26
                  Good comment +.
                  I agree with almost everything except

                  But what, Yuri, do not argue then? After all, he wrote almost everything that I did. Where are the secret sources of information that say that you have to fight until the last plane is lost?
                  At least a military encyclopedia or a naval dictionary.

                  wake up already fool . Since when did military pilots fly guided by military encyclopedias and naval reference books?
                  1. ban
                    +2
                    24 June 2022 12: 30
                    Once again, these are the basics of the combat use of front-line aviation. And the army and assault are engaged in direct support, aren't they?

                    But I do not argue - once, unfortunately
                    1. -1
                      24 June 2022 12: 52
                      Once again, these are the basics of the combat use of front-line aviation.

                      you are a strange person ... what is "the basics of using front-line aviation"? You don't have to come up with formulas. There are tactical issues. For example, such and such an iap, bad, tbap, or some other formation acts in the interests of such and such a group of troops. The regiment is tasked with destroying such and such objects (bridge, railway junction, warehouses, accumulation of equipment, etc.). The task of "isolating" something is not put on the shelf. The regiment is not assigned the task of "performing the basics of using front-line aviation."
                      And the army and assault are engaged in direct support, isn't it

                      Su-24, a front-line bomber, carrying out bombing on the accumulation of manpower and equipment in the interests of the ground group, who is this? Front-line, tactical or some other aviation? No need to poke around in the definitions, they have been out of date for 30 years. Army aviation is generally more related to air defense. There are mainly helicopter regiments and brigades
                      1. ban
                        0
                        24 June 2022 12: 56
                        Army aviation is generally more related to air defense. There are mainly helicopter regiments and brigades


                        wassat
                  2. ban
                    -1
                    24 June 2022 12: 34
                    In order not to argue about anything further, here you are, I wonder what you say?



                    I want to say separately about the situation on the Ukrainian front, where the task of suppressing air defense is now, as it were, a draw.

                    There are no separate air defense suppression programs in the Aerospace Forces, although SEAD has been known since the days of the Vietnam War, and it cannot be said that it is unknown to us - in a large number of cases, the US Air Force was opposed by Soviet anti-aircraft gunners.

                    The infantry command is not interested in this task and they ignore it, although they directly depend on the results of aviation work.

                    It is at their request that the Aerospace Forces strike and, when conditions are created, they can quickly turn the tide of hostilities on any sector of the front due to precise and massive use.

                    The effect of aviation can not be repeated by modern Russian artillery, primarily due to the lack of precision-guided munitions and guidance / adjustment tools.

                    It turns out a vicious circle - aircraft operate in the zone of unsuppressed air defense, suffer losses and cannot apply concentrated and massive impact.
                    The army suffers losses due to the active forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which the Aerospace Forces cannot suppress due to the actively working air defense.

                    And despite all this, there are no air defense facilities in the list of targets for ground groups, army aviation and rocket artillery.

                    Look at the Donbass, in general, the territory of hostilities is small, and it is up to the infantry command and army aviation to inflict serious losses on Ukrainian air defense.

                    And, if this happens, the fate of the Ukrainian troops is sealed.
                    Imagine being bombed every day, 4-5 hours apart, all week, 24/7.

                    But this does not happen, since the Ukrainian command is actively using in the area from three S-300 complexes and already four Buk.

                    Pilots use electronic warfare and terrain, but this is not a panacea.

                    As a result of the active actions of the Ukrainian air defense, Russian aviation suffers losses, losing aircraft and pilots.

                    And this situation is the direct responsibility of the Russian command of the operation.

                    Everyone demands results from aviation, but no one thinks about creating conditions.
                    Every day, pilots go on missions to areas with active air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, whose effectiveness is growing day by day.

                    This absolutely superfluous and in many ways tragic heroism occurs primarily because the ground command once again ignores the complex tasks of interspecific interaction.

                    And this is most sadly reflected in the military result and the level of losses.
                    1. +4
                      24 June 2022 14: 35
                      Very good analysis of the situation. We need a comprehensive program to suppress the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with the involvement of diverse forces - electronic intelligence, reconnaissance by drones, provocation with decoys / detection / defeat / control with fixation, and so on in a circle until air defense is suppressed and aviation can operate more freely to a sufficient depth.
                      Enemy air defense operates from ambush on external target designation from NATO reconnaissance and air control means, turning on only to capture the target and launch. This greatly complicates the task of detection and operational suppression. And this requires very precise coordination of heterogeneous forces.
                      And we have already observed some elements of such work (those who understand how this is done). But the result itself - the surviving part of the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, suggests that these efforts are still not enough. Therefore, work must be continued and, perhaps, special detachments of forces and means can be allocated to solve this task exclusively - the suppression of air defense.
                      And more often use simulators with the speed characteristics of fighters and attack aircraft.
                      1. ban
                        -2
                        24 June 2022 15: 32
                        Enemy air defense operates from ambush on external target designation from NATO reconnaissance and air control systems, turning on only to capture the target and launch


                        These are the lies of the Ygsperds, there is no need to repeat them. Neither the S-300, nor the Buk, nor any other Soviet-made air defense system can receive the control center in real time from NATO equipment.

                        The problem is, by the way, you wrote well in the first post - you deployed a large number of OTRKs, and they are trying to solve the problems that aviation should solve with them. And aviation - the tasks of artillery. It turns out not ice. Interspecies interaction is not organized - the result of the fact that army generals rule the campaign, somehow it turns out that way.
                      2. +2
                        24 June 2022 17: 35
                        Quote: ban
                        These are the lies of the Ygsperds, there is no need to repeat them. Neither the S-300, nor the Buk, nor any other Soviet-made air defense system can receive the control center in real time from NATO equipment.

                        Yura, don't talk nonsense, she's already hurt by your stubbornness. Moreover, you should not do this in relation to the officer of the combat control of an air defense formation, albeit in the distant past. I would even accept this target designation in oral / text mode, mark it on my tablet and, on command, turn on the station deployed ahead of time in the necessary control, capture, launch, and retreat from the launch site.
                        This is how our air defense crews operated back in Vietnam, the commander told me as a lieutenant how they dragged missiles through the jungle, set up ambushes on the routes of probable overflights of American aviation. This is a well-known and well-established method. Since then, the technique has changed, which only simplifies the application of these methods. And in\in b\Ukraine there are enough specialists of a sufficient level of training. And for 8 years, American instructors worked out combat interaction with them with external target designation from NATO aircraft. And without reliable suppression of this enemy air defense system, created specifically against us and our Aerospace Forces, sending aircraft into a deep raid is unjustified and unacceptable.
                        First, reconnaissance, detection, suppression, control of the degree of suppression, and only then the introduction of aviation into combat. And this is a whole range of activities. They have nomadic air defense systems, and surveillance radars (most likely P-18 and 19Zh6). And for their detection / suppression, a whole complex of heterogeneous forces and means is required.
                        And their air defense is gradually knocked out, thinning, but at the same time replenished from NATO countries. In place of the destroyed air defense systems and radars, they are dragging new ones from other regions. And the front is now static.
                      3. ban
                        -2
                        24 June 2022 17: 51
                        Smiled. How are you going to direct the CHP with your hands? wassat
                        I, if sho, am also an air defense reserve, the old complex, however, S-200 wink
                      4. +2
                        24 June 2022 21: 15
                        Deploy in the direction of the expected target and turn on on command. Detection, capture, launch. If the commander has an information display tablet that receives from the E-8 (they fly along the Polish border together with the Sentry), then the commander himself sees what is in the air and chooses the turn-on time by turning the antenna towards the target ahead of time.
                        Everything is simple, as it was back in Vietnam. Only the technology has gotten better.
                        I myself am an RTV-shnik, I served as part of the RIC. And about Vietnam, to me, still a lieutenant then, the division commander told me, he had two business trips there.
                      5. ban
                        -1
                        24 June 2022 21: 22
                        Yep, you can see it right away. It won't work like that. The ROC or SNR is guided automatically in elevation and azimuth, according to the control center from a surveillance radar, type P-18. And manually - you will get into the empty sky with your finger, something like that.
                        MANPADS are true, perhaps Pantsir, but not a serious long-range and medium-range air defense system
                      6. +1
                        24 June 2022 21: 28
                        Now the air defense system has multifunctional radars, phased. Scanned the sector, capture, launch. For any short inclusion. And immediately take off your feet. The main thing is to know where to look.
                        And they succeed.
                        And ours also manage to get them from time to time. request Cat and mouse in both directions.
                      7. ban
                        0
                        24 June 2022 21: 34
                        What used to be, what now, the beam is narrowly directed, in order to hit the target, pointing accuracy is required, which is earlier than the CHP, which is now the HEADLIGHTS beam, and the greater the distance, the greater the pointing accuracy in azimuth and elevation, otherwise - by, and the complex by means of RTR detected.
                        This is simple, but I already forgot the complexity laughing
                        And you won’t be able to take your legs right away - the target must be highlighted, missiles with AGSN are not enough, they are expensive, and the Ukrainians don’t have them for sure
                        What became easier - FAR turned, there is a sector of 90 degrees, yes
                2. +3
                  24 June 2022 13: 56
                  Quote: ban
                  The result is scorched earth.

                  But we bear a multiple or an order of magnitude smaller losses. And we do not overstrain our forces and means. Yes, and the development of new territories requires time, effort and money. And the more measured this assimilation is, the better the process of mastering will be. After all, this requires new leadership and administrative personnel, law enforcement agencies, it is necessary to restore life, fit into the country's economic system, pay pensions and benefits, launch production, develop agriculture.
                  Scorched earth will bloom again, it would be someone to live on it.

                  So quickly - in one fell swoop, one could take control of small "states" (our breakaway provinces), such as Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Georgia. And b \\ Ukraine, this is the largest state in Europe (not counting Russia), very urbanized and populated mainly by Russian (albeit often with rewired brains) population.
                  And around us is not a vacuum, but quite to ourselves - enemies. against which forces must be kept ready, without exposing borders.
                  Yes, and the main events are not taking place in Ukraine now, it is only an occasion and a place for applying some of the efforts of major players.
                  Interesting internal transformations are also taking place in the Russian Federation, and the events in / contribute to this a lot ... So maybe it’s better that everything is not happening so fast ... You look at the end of the company and we won’t recognize Russia.
                  I hope - in a good sense of the word.
                  1. ban
                    -1
                    24 June 2022 14: 21
                    I would like to hope, but, unfortunately, it is unlikely
                    1. +2
                      24 June 2022 14: 42
                      And we must prepare, as always, for the worst.
              2. ban
                -2
                24 June 2022 12: 27
                PS Well, about the sawmill - in a simple and cheap plane there is nothing special to saw
                1. 0
                  24 June 2022 12: 58
                  bullshit. Your light aircraft will have a combat radius of no more than 1000 km, even with a PTB. To ensure the protection of the country around the entire perimeter, it will be necessary to create hundreds of regiments, the darkness of infrastructure (that's exactly where the money is). There will be no savings from the word at all. But at the top they decided that it was much more profitable to have a heavy MFI with a range of 2-2,5 thousand, which can operate over long distances. The comrade above explained, of course, a little wrong, but very close. You didn't get it, unfortunately.
                  1. ban
                    +1
                    24 June 2022 18: 57
                    Didn’t they drink with you at brotherhood?
                    Poke strangers is such ...

                    Air defense helicopter brigades. roaring all day long wassat
                    1. -1
                      27 June 2022 06: 35
                      Poke strangers is such ...

                      referring to "you" is a respectful treatment, it must be earned. You have these problems.
                      Air defense helicopter brigades. roaring all day long

                      well, if there are no brains, then it remains only to laugh like a bay mare laughing
                      firstly, I did not write about helicopter brigades, but helicopter regiments. Secondly, strain your microbrain and open, for example, information on the Budenovsky 487th department. vert. shelf. Where does he enter? to the 4th Air Force Army and Defense within the Southern District. What cars are there? 24,28, 35 and 8e. Come on, eat some more...
                      1. ban
                        -1
                        27 June 2022 07: 07
                        Eh, life teaches nothing.
                        So it won't take long.
                        Che, do you think if you have a nickname, then you can be rude right and left?

                        Air defense helicopter regiments.
                        Rzhunimagu for the third day wassat
                      2. -1
                        27 June 2022 07: 42
                        Rzhunimagu for the third day wassat

                        and what else should you do - ate oats and stop, rye laughing
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        2. -2
          24 June 2022 18: 03
          Another one, damn it ... You have tens of thousands of planes, and hundreds leave the assembly lines every day? Millions of trained pilots? Millions of tons of ammunition? What nonsense do you write? Any modern aircraft is a very complex and very expensive product. And it is intended for point work, again with expensive ammunition, and not to, like kamikaze, crowds fall on enemy columns. And pilots have been trained for years, and you were going to dispose of them in the first battle ((It should be a shame ... So you fly on a single-engine Il-2 against the Stingers and Beeches of the Armed Forces of Ukraine! Weak?
    5. -22
      24 June 2022 06: 51
      Yes, yes, only the United States has superiority!
      Here it was in Yugoslavia. True, at the same time, Yugoslav planes climbed to intercept until the end of the operation (not very successfully, but nonetheless) and the tricked-out stealth was shot down, and the Americans tried to fly during the day ... But it doesn’t matter. The USA cannot but have dominance.
      But there is no domination in Ukraine... Patamushta!
      The unfortunate Buryat cavalrymen are sitting in the trenches and looking at the sky with fear, for the brave Bandera falcons have shot down all Russian planes and are now flying across the sky ....
      Not for long, but they do fly. And close. But sometimes it turns out to take off. And therefore, the glorious Bandera forces have undeniable dominance ...
      And whoever does not believe in US domination, he does not ... In short, he is of a normal orientation ... Which is very un-European
    6. -1
      24 June 2022 10: 34
      “I don’t understand, the Dagger has enormous kinetic energy and a good warhead, what prevents it from planting a couple of missiles at the entrance to the tunnel?”
      In my opinion, there are two options here, which does not allow - this is "religion" (accounts, real estate, children, grandchildren, wives, mistresses, lovers) or innate (well, you understand).
    7. 0
      25 June 2022 20: 35
      Bomb fab 3000 sample of the 50s from storage, price 0, it's time for disposal. Rocket Dagger, super, but it also costs half a million rubles. They are good for sinking aircraft carriers, and not for shooting at sheds.
      1. 0
        26 June 2022 15: 17
        Quote from Black66
        Bomb fab 3000 sample of the 50s from storage, price 0, it's time for disposal.

        The price is zero, and delivery with undestroyed air defense? Accuracy? Outfit of forces?
        Quote from Black66
        They are good for sinking aircraft carriers, and not for shooting at sheds.
        Here, according to Zircons, not everything is clear yet, in terms of anti-ship capabilities, and you write for Daggers that are the essence of Iskanders.
    8. +1
      27 June 2022 17: 09
      what is the determination? to compare towns and cities with the ground and fill a hundred thousand civilians in a month? as well as "let's gouge a couple of tunnels at the cost of a couple of bombers, so the first howl will raise about" like this ", not to mention the fact that this is not remove the supply of weapons to Ukraine from the word in general
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        1. 0
          28 June 2022 10: 15
          for those who do not understand, Ukrainian troops are hiding among civilian buildings and the population, so that air superiority does not allow them to be destroyed, and strategists are driven to hammer through the tunnels, this is to lose them, they work with missiles on substations and bridges, so there is no need to be rude.
  2. +22
    24 June 2022 03: 55
    Author - you are wrong! hi
    We're doing great!
    A vivid example is the proposal made by speaker V. Matvienko to ban the words "like, coffee break, cashback, startup and many others."
    In our country, there are no more urgent problems than the fight against Anglicisms.
    And you are talking about some electronic warfare, Dryers and other little things. You are not keeping up with the times, comrade!
    1. +1
      24 June 2022 07: 58
      It does not interfere!
    2. +6
      24 June 2022 10: 44
      And you forgot the nails, Nails!!!! After the indignation of this lady, on the price tags for the nails, the "manufacturer" began to write "Moscow" laughing
    3. +1
      24 June 2022 18: 05
      Yeah, at the same time ban computers with processors, well, ailerons and spars ;-)
  3. +7
    24 June 2022 04: 06
    The topic is relevant and interesting! But if the author also understood what he undertook to write about ...
    1. +3
      24 June 2022 06: 41
      The topic is relevant and interesting! But if the author also understood what he undertook to write about ...

      As I understand it, you understand and know what to write about. Write at least a comment on the article
      1. +6
        24 June 2022 07: 06
        Quote: Konnick
        The topic is relevant and interesting! But if the author also understood what he undertook to write about ...

        As I understand it, you understand and know what to write about. Write at least a comment on the article

        It is not worth discussing this issue in detail now, but I can say that there were active jamming stations even on the Su-24M. Not bad adaptive electronic warfare equipment is available on the Su-34. For some reason, the author, in the role of a strike machine, offers the Su-35S, whose avionics and weapons are mainly sharpened to intercept and gain air supremacy. For work on the ground, the Su-30SM is much more suitable, of which we have quite a few.
        1. +1
          24 June 2022 07: 12
          This is already a comment.
        2. +4
          24 June 2022 11: 25
          Quote: Tucan
          It is not worth discussing this issue in detail now, but I can say that there were active jamming stations even on the Su-24M.

          Individual or group?
          The author does not in vain mention the "Growlers". In the realities of our industry, this will be something like a modern analogue of the Soviet RTR and PP vehicles based on the Tu-16/22 or even An-12.
          1. +2
            24 June 2022 12: 09
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Individual or group?

            Individual. The disadvantage of such equipment on the Su-24M is that interchangeable units are designed to suppress a specific Western-made air defense system. At the same time, the equipment available on the Su-34 may well be used to cover the link in a wide frequency range.
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The author does not in vain mention the "Growlers". In the realities of our industry, this will be something like a modern analogue of the Soviet RTR and PP vehicles based on the Tu-16/22 or even An-12.

            The machines you mentioned are not suitable for protecting front-line aviation. Here we rather need a modern analogue of the Yak-28PP. In my opinion, it is realistic to create a machine for this purpose based on the Su-30SM.
            1. +4
              24 June 2022 15: 38
              Quote: Tucan
              The machines you mentioned are not suitable for protecting front-line aviation.

              Yes, I went a little overboard here.
              Quote: Tucan
              Here we rather need a modern analogue of the Yak-28PP.

              Or Su-24MP.
              Quote: Tucan
              In my opinion, it is realistic to create a machine for this purpose based on the Su-30SM.

              And there are no other options. Of the basic two-seat vehicles, we have either the Su-30 family or the "big brother" Su-34. But the "platypus" carries too much armor that is unnecessary for PP.
          2. +2
            27 June 2022 17: 10
            and what are we going to jam? planes over Europe? so the Americans are waiting for this to train and get data, and for us there will be no benefit from the word at all
        3. -2
          25 June 2022 00: 19
          Quote: Tucan
          Not bad adaptive electronic warfare equipment is available on the Su-34. For some reason, the author, in the role of a strike machine, offers the Su-35S, whose avionics and weapons are mainly sharpened to intercept and gain air supremacy. For work on the ground, the Su-30SM is much more suitable, of which we have quite a few.

          Oddly enough, but then the author guessed. Of the available anti-aircraft weapons, the Su-35S is the most suitable for us. The rest still need to be brought up to his level (we are not considering the Su-57).
  4. +35
    24 June 2022 04: 33
    The size of the Russian Air Force is absolutely not adequate to the length of the borders and the strength of the Air Force of potential opponents.
    According to Military balance 2022, there are only 1172 aircraft in the Aerospace Forces, including 448 transport aircraft, 137 bombers (Tu-160, Tu-95, Tu-22M3), they are involved in the operation only sporadically. As a result, there are not many battlefield aircraft at all - 876, minus the defective ones, minus those in Khmeimim, minus those needed on other borders. If we distribute these aircraft along the entire line of contact and divide them into shifts, because they cannot fly 24 hours a day (maximum 2-3 sorties per day), we get an extremely low density of aircraft per kilometer of front. Especially, in my opinion, there are not enough aircraft for direct support of troops, there are only 25 Su-179s, except for combat training twins.
    And if we take into account that there are only 9 AWACS aircraft, then there can be no talk of any airspace control.
    1. +15
      24 June 2022 06: 03
      Quote: Vadmir
      The size of the Russian Air Force is absolutely not adequate to the length of the borders and the strength of the Air Force of potential opponents.
      According to Military balance 2022, there are only 1172 aircraft in the Aerospace Forces, including 448 transport aircraft, 137 bombers (Tu-160, Tu-95, Tu-22M3), they are involved in the operation only sporadically. As a result, there are not many battlefield aircraft at all - 876, minus the defective ones, minus those in Khmeimim, minus those needed on other borders. If we distribute these aircraft along the entire line of contact and divide them into shifts, because they cannot fly 24 hours a day (maximum 2-3 sorties per day), we get an extremely low density of aircraft per kilometer of front. Especially, in my opinion, there are not enough aircraft for direct support of troops, there are only 25 Su-179s, except for combat training twins.
      And if we take into account that there are only 9 AWACS aircraft, then there can be no talk of any airspace control.

      Absolutely accurate.
      Just messed up a little with the numbers. 1172-448-137=876? We do not have 876 fighters + attack aircraft, in fact, there are even fewer of them. And not all of them are combat ready.
      Aircraft catastrophically few.
      1. -1
        24 June 2022 06: 38
        1172-448-137=876?
        It really doesn't fit.
        But I didn’t count, I didn’t subtract, but added up 185 fighters (FTR) + 427 attack fighters (FGA) + 264 front-line bombers and attack aircraft (ATK). Apparently, somewhere something overlapped one another in Military balance 2022.
        1. +6
          24 June 2022 07: 09
          Yes, the numbers in this case are not the main thing, as I said. Still, it's not enough.
    2. -14
      24 June 2022 08: 00
      That is, to take money from pregnant pensioners and reconfigure on a war footing?
      1. +15
        24 June 2022 08: 44
        It is advisable to take money from "responsible businessmen", for which they built yachts for themselves and bought "business jets".
        1. -5
          24 June 2022 10: 48
          Quote: iury.vorgul
          It is advisable to take money from "responsible businessmen", for which they built yachts for themselves and bought "business jets".

          The problem is that they have no MONEY in their accounts, all their billions are factories and so on.
          And even if their jets and yachts are taken away from them, this will increase the number of combat aircraft a little
          1. +8
            24 June 2022 12: 08
            even if their jets and yachts are taken away from them, this will increase the number of combat aircraft a little
            Well, maybe more than housewives, kindergartens or composers of the USSR could afford during the Second World War.
            1. -4
              24 June 2022 14: 43
              Quote: Antonina Ignatenko
              even if their jets and yachts are taken away from them, this will increase the number of combat aircraft a little
              Well, maybe more than housewives, kindergartens or composers of the USSR could afford during the Second World War.

              No, just the opposite - due to the low cost of aircraft then - their number was greater.
              The Yak-3 cost 250 and the boring T-000 cost 26..
              T-34 in general 420 000

              And now the price of military aviation is sky-high. Therefore, now 10-20 aircraft will be added, no more
              1. -1
                24 June 2022 18: 06
                Would you go to fight on the Yak-3 against the simplest F-16? Not? Why? Cheaper! Well, or with a hundred Yak-3s to attack a pair of F-16s?
                1. -1
                  24 June 2022 23: 36
                  Quote: futurohunter
                  Would you go to fight on the Yak-3 against the simplest F-16? Not? Why? Cheaper!

                  For the Chinese and you, apparently I didn’t write very clearly - I repeat
                  Was written
                  Quote: Antonina Ignatenko
                  maybethan housewives, kindergartens or composers of the USSR could afford during time WWII.

                  I gave an example of the prices of those times - when Tanks were worth EXPENSIVE airplanes.
                  Then I explained that if we now take away all their cash, yachts and jets from the oligarchs, this will increase our fleet of combat aircraft by no more than 10-20 pieces.
                  Not 1000 - 2000 pieces.
                  because of their complexity and cost.
                  Now show me where я urged FIGHT on CHEAPER airplanes????
                  Can you? Or weak?
                  1. -1
                    26 June 2022 23: 18
                    Quote: your1970
                    if now all their cash, yachts and jets are taken away from the oligarchs

                    Well then, take it! That's just how you do it!? And then the "strategists" got divorced here! One is smarter than the other! And everyone has their own plan to "save the country." Only, when it comes down to it, hardly anyone can do more than write tons more kilobytes on this forum
    3. +12
      24 June 2022 08: 54
      According to Military balance 2022, there are only 1172 aircraft in the Aerospace Forces, of which 448 are transport aircraft, 137 bombers (Tu-160, Tu-95, Tu-22M3), they are involved in the operation only sporadically. As a result, there are not many battlefield aircraft at all - 876

      In fact, everything is much sadder if you look at the details.
      Modern fighters are 6 pieces of Su-57, 97 pieces of Su-35, 6 pieces of MiG-35 and some amount of Su-30SM2, perhaps everything. The rest of the Su-27, MiG-29, Su-30 (non-Su-30SM2 modifications) are outdated even for fighting in Ukraine.
      The Su-34 is more of a front-line bomber, we have 122 of them.
      The Su-25 attack aircraft is already an outdated concept, they are used due to the lack of strike UAVs in our country, it is a crime to lose so many high-class pilots.
      All AWACS aviation is FIVE pieces of A-50U, modernized according to the technologies of the 90s using imported electronics.
      And this is all our aviation, minus the cars under repair.
      1. +3
        24 June 2022 11: 49
        Quote: ramzay21
        Modern fighters are 6 pieces of Su-57, 97 pieces of Su-35, 6 pieces of MiG-35 and some amount of Su-30SM2, perhaps everything.

        There are some misunderstandings with the Su-30SM2. On the one hand, in early January they wrote that:
        deliveries to the Russian military of modernized Su-30SM2 fighters with more advanced engines and weapons may begin in 2023.

        On the other hand, already at the end of January there was a message that the first Su-30SM2 were manufactured last year:
        In 2021, the Irkutsk Aviation Plant for the first time manufactured four modernized super-maneuverable multifunctional multi-functional two-seat Su-30SM2 fighters in the interests of the naval aviation of the Navy

        It seems to me that we have two different CM2. smile
        But with the previous modification, everything is clear:
        In total, under previous contracts from 2012 to 2018, the Russian Ministry of Defense received 116 Su-30SM fighters, of which 22 were delivered to the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy.
        1. 0
          25 June 2022 18: 39
          There are some misunderstandings with the Su-30SM2. On the one hand, in early January they wrote that:

          They seem to share the Su-30SM2 for naval aviation and for the Aerospace Forces, but I don’t understand what the difference is between them either.
          In general, the Su-30SM2, which is unified with the Su-35, is one of the most needed aircraft for our Aerospace Forces.

          A zoo of different variations of the Su-30 with different avionics with different engines is sabotage. How much does it cost to maintain spare parts for all this variety in warehouses?
      2. +4
        24 June 2022 16: 53
        The rest of the Su-27, MiG-29, Su-30 (non-Su-30SM2 modifications) are outdated even for fighting in Ukraine.
        And why are they outdated for Ukraine? Which has almost no aviation at all, especially modern.
        The Su-25 attack aircraft is already an outdated concept, they are used due to the lack of strike UAVs
        The battlefield aircraft, which hangs over the troops and directly supports them, can only be partly replaced by an attack helicopter, no UAVs come close to being able to do this. UAV is for hitting point targets. He cannot cover the advancing NURSs, raise the morale of the soldiers going on the attack or defending, with his presence alone and instill fear in the enemy, he cannot Su-25, Ka-52 and Mi-28 can. Yes, at the cost of losing pilots, but this is a war and people die in a war, unfortunately. They die to win.
        1. 0
          24 June 2022 20: 53
          And why are they outdated for Ukraine? Which has almost no aviation at all, especially modern.

          And then what is shot down there every day according to the reports of our Defense Ministry?
          Because the planes of the Ukrainian Air Force will be guided by AWACS and their reconnaissance equipment on our planes, and our planes will rely ONLY on their radars and in such conditions it will be suicide to operate planes with old radars.
          An example of how F-15s with turned off radars, which were pointed by AWACS operators, shot down Yugoslav MiG-29s, the pilots of which did not understand where the missiles were flying from, shows very well what awaits our old aircraft in Ukraine.
          The battlefield aircraft, which hangs over the troops and directly supports them, can only be partly replaced by an attack helicopter, no UAVs come close to being able to do this.

          Come on! The Su-25, by definition, cannot hover over the battlefield, at best it can fly over it once, if you're lucky, the second time it will be shot down from MANPADS, just like a helicopter. And then they cannot be in the air as much as UAVs, that is, 24 hours.
          He cannot cover the advancing NURSs, raise the morale of the soldiers going on the attack or defending, with his presence alone and instill fear in the enemy, he cannot Su-25, Ka-52 and Mi-28 can.

          All this became outdated more than 40 years ago, with the massive appearance of MANPADS, whose operators quickly land everything that flies low.
          The joint use of a large number of small reconnaissance UAVs and the massive use of loitering ammunition, covering targets with accurate strikes, will not only inspire horror, they will simply destroy everything and this is much more terrible than any helicopters and attack aircraft and much cheaper, and operators do not die like pilots.
          And it is much more efficient and cheaper to cover our columns with our strike UAVs with thermal imagers, which can detect an ambush and destroy rather than wait for an attack and cover an ambush from the air when it has already attacked.
      3. +1
        25 June 2022 00: 22
        Quote: ramzay21
        The Su-25 attack aircraft is already an outdated concept, they are used due to the lack of strike UAVs in our country, it is a crime to lose so many high-class pilots.

        The UAV has neither the speed nor the combat load of an attack aircraft. The states also cannot send the A-10 to Pesia.
        1. 0
          25 June 2022 19: 08
          The UAV has neither the speed nor the combat load of an attack aircraft.

          It is the 21st century in the yard, hundreds of attack UAVs in huge numbers of reconnaissance UAVs and loitering ammunition have already been created and in the modern armies of the world.
          Over the battlefield, it is much more efficient to use small reconnaissance UAVs and loitering ammunition, they are difficult to detect and even more difficult to shoot down. They can hang in the air for hours over the positions and close rear of the enemy and strike right on target. Constant round-the-clock strikes paralyze all combat activity, and there may be five or fifty such UAVs and loitering ammunition.
          And an attack aircraft over the battlefield can only make one run, if you're lucky, several MANPADS will be fired at it on the second run.
          Accompanying columns is also the most efficient UAV. A low-speed UAV with a thermal imager detects an ambush with a high probability before it attacks the column, and then loitering ammunition can be launched from the column to attack the ambush.
          If our sheep with stripes from the Moscow Region did not think about parades and what to steal, but about the effectiveness of hostilities, then we would also have all this in the right quantities and this would save thousands of lives of our soldiers and civilians.
          The states also cannot send the A-10 to Pesia.

          Attack aircraft now, with a sufficient number of all types of UAVs, can perform some narrow tasks in combat operations against an enemy that has no air defense and no MANPADS, but in general their time has passed.
          It's stupid to put a pilot in a plane that is easy to shoot down if it is possible to use the plane without a pilot in a much cheaper version and without risking the life of the pilot.
          1. +1
            26 June 2022 16: 52
            Quote: ramzay21
            It is the 21st century in the yard, hundreds of attack UAVs in huge numbers of reconnaissance UAVs and loitering ammunition have already been created and in the modern armies of the world.
            Over the battlefield, it is much more efficient to use small reconnaissance UAVs and loitering ammunition, they are difficult to detect and even more difficult to shoot down ...

            What you write does not correspond to the simulation results, or the test results, or the results of real databases. If you draw conclusions from YouTube videos, then you get the very famous "survivor error". I will repeat to you once again: the UAV has neither the speed nor the combat load of an attack aircraft. The states also cannot send the A-10 to Pesia. An UAV cannot replace an attack aircraft, despite the risk of losing a pilot (and not a pilot!) The latter.
          2. +2
            26 June 2022 16: 54
            Quote: ramzay21
            If our sheep with stripes from the Moscow Region thought not about parades and what to steal, but about the effectiveness of hostilities

            And you yourself from what areas of activity will you be?
            1. -1
              26 June 2022 17: 17
              Quote: Comet
              Quote: ramzay21
              If our sheep with stripes from the Moscow Region thought not about parades and what to steal, but about the effectiveness of hostilities

              And you yourself from what areas of activity will you be?

              This is from the "all-missing" local, noisy, not responsible for the words negative request Yes
              1. -3
                26 June 2022 22: 55
                not responsible for the words

                And can you confirm this? Or you yourself are not responsible for your words.
                1. 0
                  26 June 2022 22: 59
                  Quote: ramzay21
                  And can you confirm this?

                  Easily. Will a couple of your unsubstantiated statements be enough?
                  1. -3
                    26 June 2022 23: 28
                    Being responsible for your words and having a conversation with someone like you is not the same thing, you do not perceive any facts or evidence, so I am not interested further.
                    1. +1
                      26 June 2022 23: 35
                      Quote: ramzay21
                      Quote: ramzay21
                      And can you confirm this?

                      Easily. Will a couple of your unsubstantiated statements be enough?

                      Quote: ramzay21
                      you do not perceive any facts or evidence, so I'm not interested further

                      Retraction is not accepted.
                      Number of times:

                      Quote: ramzay21
                      The leadership of the Ministry of Defense in Moscow was sure that Taira was in the DPR, and only the noise raised by Kuksenkova revealed the absence of Taira in prison

                      Nothing but your conviction that you are right, this version is not confirmed.

                      Number two:

                      Quote: ramzay21
                      now everyone understands that Putin is a cowardly fool, he is scared and he definitely does not want to win this SVO. Although with a smart, decisive and courageous leader, our country would have occupied all of Ukraine long ago

                      As they say - but comments. Here you have outdone yourself. laughing
                      1. -3
                        26 June 2022 23: 56
                        Nothing but your conviction that you are right, this version is not confirmed.

                        The military commander of Channel One Kuksenkova writes about this in her telegram channel, who worked together with Deputy Minister of Defense Colonel General Yevkurov and continues to communicate not only with him. And you can easily find this entry in her telegram channel right now.

                        Now try to answer. Where did you get that this version is not supported by anything other than my beliefs, and with evidence of your words.
                      2. +1
                        27 June 2022 00: 04
                        Quote: ramzay21
                        The military commander of the First Channel Kuksenkova writes about this in his telegram channel

                        And on the fence "bolt" is written. The entry in the cart of a certain military correspondent, "a sharper lover," is not proof. Buddy negative

                        There is still a second question, I remind you:

                        Quote: ramzay21
                        now everyone understands that Putin is a cowardly fool, he is scared and he definitely does not want to win this SVO. Although with a smart, decisive and courageous leader, our country would have occupied all of Ukraine long ago

                        And where is it written? wink
                      3. -3
                        27 June 2022 00: 26
                        And on the fence "bolt" is written. The entry in the cart of a certain military correspondent, "a sharper lover," is not proof. Buddy

                        You stated that:
                        Nothing but your conviction that you are right, this version is not confirmed.

                        I gave you a concrete fact that at least one person, moreover, publicly, claims the same thing, this is direct evidence that this is not only my conviction.
                        As I told you, you are ignoring the facts, but you will have to refute my statement that there is no such record, or it will become a fact that you are not responsible for your words.
                      4. +1
                        27 June 2022 00: 34
                        Quote: ramzay21
                        I gave you the specific fact that at least one person, moreover, publicly, claims the same thing, this is direct evidence that this is not only my conviction

                        Once again, for the heavily educated:

                        - an entry in the cart (any) is not a document that can be referenced
                        - a record in the wagon cart - a lover of "sharp" is not such a document, all the more.

                        What do we have left? Only your confidence that such facts took place. You cannot prove it.

                        Dude, don't argue against the obvious. And, yeah, what about

                        Quote: ramzay21
                        now everyone understands that Putin is a cowardly fool, he is scared and he definitely does not want to win this SVO. Although with a smart, decisive and courageous leader, our country would have occupied all of Ukraine long ago

                        Did you come up with it yourself, or did someone teach you? wink laughing
                      5. -3
                        27 June 2022 01: 12
                        I brought you the fact that my words are not based on my conviction, as you claimed, but you are not able to prove the opposite, that is, you are not responsible for your words.

                        This conversation is over. hi
                      6. +1
                        27 June 2022 01: 18
                        Quote: ramzay21
                        I brought you the fact that my words are not based on my conviction

                        You brought the inscription on the fence, which in itself does not prove anything.

                        The fact that you believe in the veracity of this inscription does not in any way refute the fact that your opinion is based ... but only on your opinion ... buddy laughing

                        And yes, so what about "Putin is a coward"?

                        Quote: ramzay21
                        now everyone understands that Putin is a cowardly fool, he is scared and he definitely does not want to win this SVO. Although with a smart, decisive and courageous leader, our country would have occupied all of Ukraine long ago

                        For some reason, you stubbornly ignore this question ... that's strange wink laughing
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                      8. -3
                        27 June 2022 00: 32
                        Here is the link to the telegram channel I was talking about
                        t.me/Kuksenkova (https://t.me/jhggjyrdjkouf)
          3. 0
            27 June 2022 00: 46
            And what could the Su-39 have with protection from MANPADS?
            But he is not.
            It is equipped with the Shkval complex and 16 Whirlwind missiles.
            They're probably outdated though. Like the "Platan" on the Su-34.

            When these optical channels are turned on on an attack aircraft or bomber, it is already in the zone of destruction of military air defense and MANPADS.
      4. 0
        25 June 2022 00: 33
        I have already written more than once that the Soviet Su-27, Su-24, MiG-29, etc., which have not undergone modernization, can be safely put out of brackets.
        It knocks out sighting systems and navigation equipment. Semiconductors have gone out or lost their properties for more than 30 years.
        But they are the basis of our aviation. These are Soviet planes.
      5. -2
        25 June 2022 17: 39
        What is built on the basis of the MiG-29 and Su-27 is not modern - just compare it with the Rafal and the F-22, F-35.
  5. +3
    24 June 2022 04: 55
    Extremely correct questions and answers to them. Haven't read stuff like this in a while. The truth, the truth, nothing but the truth...
    Thank you! good
  6. +9
    24 June 2022 05: 03
    Everything is said correctly. But... Are there organizers and leaders capable of making such decisions and ensuring their implementation? And in general: what is SVO? Here we are at war, but here we are not? Here we will strike at the "decision-making centers", or maybe we won't, because it's not a war, but a NWO? All this strongly resembles the cartoon "Hedgehog in the Fog". How to win not even in a war, but in this very NWO, if the troops do not know about the ultimate goal?
  7. +12
    24 June 2022 05: 05
    The railway is functioning properly - well, they destroyed a couple of bridges, a couple of traction substations - most of this has already been repaired. And spending "Caliber" and "Iskander" on each transformer box - you will not save up any resources.

    By the way, it is a mystery to me why Ukrainian cities still have electricity. In order to arrange a blackout on the entire territory not controlled by us, it is necessary to disable about 50 substations of 220 kV and above. I figured out here that in order to pay off such an object of the national economy for at least a month, we need 1-2 people with SVD and 30-100 rounds of ammunition (so that with a margin). So think here - we are waiting for the winter, or we are afraid of the answer ...
    1. +9
      24 June 2022 05: 18
      Because this is not a war, but an NWO. We fight in a limited way, but they die like in a war.
      1. -10
        24 June 2022 09: 01
        but they die like in a war

        only from a physiological point of view. If it was a full-fledged and full-scale war, then the death toll would increase by orders of magnitude. When the General Staff operates not with tens of thousands of military personnel, but with millions, it will not bother much with losses in order to achieve strategic goals. Then the death of 3000 military personnel in 3 months of hostilities would seem like happiness to you.
    2. -9
      24 June 2022 06: 32
      [quote=Hwostatij][quote]
      By the way, it is a mystery to me why Ukrainian cities still have electricity. In order to arrange a blackout on the entire territory not controlled by us, it is necessary to disable about 50 substations of 220 kV and above. I figured out here that in order to pay off such an object of the national economy for at least a month, we need 1-2 people with SVD and 30-100 rounds of ammunition (so that with a margin). So think here - we are waiting for the winter, or we are afraid of the answer ... [/ quote]

      Russia is not at war with the Ukrainian people. You can think of it as a war for the minds of the people.
      1. +11
        24 June 2022 07: 26
        Quote from blade2
        Russia is not at war with the Ukrainian people. You can think of it as a war for the minds of the people.

        If it the goal of the war, then we achieve only the opposite effect, and at near-light speed.
      2. +7
        24 June 2022 12: 01
        Quote from blade2
        Russia is not at war with the Ukrainian people. You can think of it as a war for the minds of the people.

        Mmmm... to fight for the minds of people who massively believe that Russia is the same Ukraine, but much worse (Russians don't even have asphalt and nutella), but at the same time they go to work in Russia? what
        1. +2
          24 June 2022 20: 09
          fight for the minds of people who massively believe that
          That the rich countries of Europe are waiting, not waiting for a chance to make them as rich as they are at their own expense because they are BETTER than their own population of these very countries? The minds of such-so-so trophy laughing
    3. +7
      24 June 2022 06: 35
      By the way, it is a mystery to me why Ukrainian cities still have electricity.

      And the devil knows, in any military operation, the first thing I do is destroy the power grid and water supply, strike at the military registration and enlistment offices in order to put the mobilization process as much as possible.
      It’s been 4 months and it’s not in the eye of this, but now we are surprised that Ukraine has already deployed more than a million military personnel
    4. KCA
      +4
      24 June 2022 06: 36
      So yes, the transformers themselves tend to catch fire, and even with an external influence, the very thing, I’ve been to a 110 kV substation, the protection is only of the territory, under the fence, I don’t think that the protection in / on the protection is very different from ours, I rose above the level of the fence and shoot without problems, cheap and cheerful
    5. -2
      24 June 2022 11: 06
      Quote: Hwostatij
      disable about 50 substations of 220 kV and above

      Energy ring of the USSR, no?
      They recently had problems at nuclear power plants, so they begged us ...
      Quote: Hwostatij
      we need 1-2 people with SVD and 30-100 rounds of ammunition (so that with a margin)

      It is not difficult to collapse the energy system of Ukraine - the problem is that as soon as their capacities fall, it will hit OUR energy system ....
      1. +1
        24 June 2022 16: 25
        they wrote nonsense, how will our energy system suffer?
  8. -7
    24 June 2022 05: 35
    The main problem of all critics is that they always have the same questions and, as a rule, not a single sentence.
    1. +4
      24 June 2022 07: 34
      Asking questions is very easy, keeping in mind the ideal model of paradise. But to create, to create inexhaustible human, intellectual, financial resources, to start 50 years ago, to manage all the millions of people and resources in one breath, like a conductor - no one can.
      Critical questions are easy to ask. And try to work in this industry yourself and fix everything ... Even within the limits of your apartment, wife and children, no one can cope. Locks are not lubricated, valves are reaching the end of their service life, aluminum wires have not been replaced with copper ones, there is dust on the shelves, garbage on the floor, shoes or a bathtub are not polished, things are not in their places, the wife rolls up scandals because of love for them, the children do nothing want, except to stare at the screens, the tires of the car have not been replaced, the service has not been completed, the brushes should have been replaced a long time ago, the air conditioner should be filled, and a million more that were not done in the country.
      And questions still can not be banned. The benefits are undeniable. But I would like competence, and the same questions for yourself, and the same brilliant ways to solve all the domestic problems that are actually under your complete control. Or not?
    2. +5
      24 June 2022 10: 53
      "The main problem of all critics is that they always have the same questions and, as a rule, not a single sentence"
      There are proposals, but don’t tell me, good sir, where to send them to Grandfather’s village or to Sportloto?
  9. +6
    24 June 2022 05: 36
    A provocation is a false target, which is a UAV or a manned aircraft with a set of equipment for remote control. These can be, for example, the Orion UAV or obsolete combat or transport aircraft capable of flying at an altitude of over 7 meters, of course, if our industry is able to equip them with remote take-off, piloting and landing systems (the latter is optional, in a number cases, such aircraft can be used at the end of the operation to strike at targets deep in enemy territory, like a projectile aircraft).

    We already have ready-made targets used at the ranges. They are relatively cheap and can mimic a variety of purposes.
  10. -2
    24 June 2022 05: 58
    Quote from blade2
    The main problem of all critics is that they always have the same questions and, as a rule, not a single sentence.

    Let's assume that there will be proposals - - and what's next?

    It all comes down to the problems of a strange society that for decades has put forward people like Khrushchev, Gorbachev or Yeltsin to the highest posts.

    Moreover, 100 million agreed with the thesis: "And for whom else? ..." Do you understand the meaning? The meaning is that there was no one smarter than Yeltsin among tens of millions!!!! Think about what that means....

    What's amazing is that we still exist.
    1. -3
      24 June 2022 06: 24
      Where are the offers?
    2. -3
      24 June 2022 06: 41
      It all comes down to the problems of a strange society that for decades has put forward people like Khrushchev, Gorbachev or Yeltsin to the highest posts.

      Off topic, but still not surprised to marvel at propaganda and its victims. How quickly the one in which the stranger was at the peak of her power was enrolled in the trio of traitors, okay, let's even skip the first manned flight into space. But the fact that SVO is at least 70% carried out by equipment created during his reign already says a lot ...
      1. -2
        24 June 2022 11: 51
        Sorry, who are you talking about???
    3. +2
      24 June 2022 08: 09
      Ivan!
      There is no need to blame us for the fact that the entire population of the earth has been using millennia.
      However, you can give examples of the opposite (which I do not know about) where a smart and literate population chose a smart and literate leader.
      Well, if only on the islands of Papua, wherever on an island with a population of 20 people they sat down, discussed and chose.
    4. 0
      26 June 2022 17: 08
      Quote: ivan2022
      What's amazing is that we still exist.

      And who are you?

      Quote: ivan2022
      a strange society that for decades put forward people like Khrushchev, Gorbachev or Yeltsin to the highest posts

      The "strange society" was brought up by the Soviet "elections without choice": one party, one candidate, dancing everyone votes. Who remembers will understand Yes
  11. -9
    24 June 2022 05: 59
    Byada, if the pieman starts making boots ... well, further down the text. Only the gypsies did not speak on this topic. We know the reason. Ah, I understand .. This is a sweet word - monetization. Just to squeak something.
  12. -4
    24 June 2022 06: 06
    Based on this, we can assume that it is expedient and necessary to organize a massive air operation to completely gain strategic air supremacy over the entire territory of Ukraine.
    The author of the article is well done! He offered many specific and detailed actions on how to achieve the desired result. I wonder why this has not yet been implemented by the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces under the leadership of the Commander-in-Chief?
    1. +4
      24 June 2022 06: 23
      Maybe too hard for them?
    2. Kim
      +3
      24 June 2022 06: 25
      Most likely because there are no real specialists. All sensible people have long been working either as taxi drivers, or hairdressers, or bloggers-analysts ...
      1. -3
        24 June 2022 11: 10
        Quote from kim
        Most likely because there are no real specialists. All sensible people have long been working either as taxi drivers, or hairdressers, or bloggers-analysts ...

        "So many good virologists have appeared!!!
        And political scientists have gone somewhere ...!" (c) recent
  13. +3
    24 June 2022 06: 12
    We beat with caution and restraint, but we get it in full and in the face.
  14. -2
    24 June 2022 06: 16
    Quote: Vadmir
    the funny thing is that due to the weather, the air part of the parade over Red Square did not even take place.

    something doesn’t look like ...., most likely they didn’t take risks, it’s quite realistic to shoot down an aircraft during the flight.
  15. +9
    24 June 2022 06: 17
    We read where it should be, similar reasoning and took the author's note. Sedition is sowing. Russian capital has no task to bend the West. Because, besides the pipes, there is nothing. And the product from the pipe goes there, to the west. Strange war, incomprehensible goals.
    1. -4
      24 June 2022 06: 26
      Quote: Essex62
      We read where it should be, similar reasoning and took the author's note. Sedition is sowing. Russian capital has no task to bend the West. Because, besides the pipes, there is nothing. And the product from the pipe goes there, to the west. Strange war, incomprehensible goals.


      The war is strange because there is not a war with the people of Ukraine, but there is a Special Military Operation
      1. +9
        24 June 2022 10: 20
        Well, firstly, there is no outskirts of any people. There are Russians living in these territories.
        And secondly, based on the first, this is a real GV.
        They brought to it the bourgeois coup of 91-93 and the lack of will and cowardice of the Russian bourgeoisie in 2014.
    2. Kim
      0
      24 June 2022 08: 48
      to the East, surprisingly. The IEA is afraid of a complete shutdown of gas.
    3. +1
      24 June 2022 11: 14
      Quote: Essex62
      Russian capital has no task to bend the West. Because, besides the pipes, there is nothing. And the product from the pipe goes there, to the west.

      There was no task for the USSR to bend the West - that's why he dragged the pipe at the height of the Cold War to NATO to the worst enemy - Germany .....
      Do not find?
      1. 0
        24 June 2022 23: 36
        That USSR no longer had such a task. I agree. The weapons were driven beyond measure, they were not going to use it to throw to the English Channel. It would be better if they invested in consumer goods, if they didn’t roll, they would have a coup at all.
        And today it is not possible to understand what they ultimately want to receive. Statements about the preservation of the statehood of Ukraine, frankly, are perplexing. How is it? What to do with the villagers? They, in this territory, the power and the state.
        1. -1
          25 June 2022 00: 21
          Quote: Essex62
          Statements about the preservation of the statehood of Ukraine, frankly, are perplexing.
          think for 30 seconds...
          Do you want to join her?
          Is it real?
          A country with a zero economy and prospects?
          30 million of the population of which 10 are workable, God forbid?
          To pay them pensions, allowances, sick leave, mat capital and everything else that is supposed to be inside the Russian Federation from the budget of the Russian Federation?
          They will restore the country for at least 5 years - without bringing anything to the budget of the Russian Federation at the same time. Clearing the rubble at Azovstal is expenses and losses, there will be no taxes from this .....
          And it will turn out that everyone working for us will provide not only for our pensioners and doctors, but also for them.
          So - separately, on your own, with our help - but on your own.
          1. 0
            25 June 2022 03: 25
            Yes I want to. I am for the USSR. But it's not about that, it's about emotions.
            All this will have to be done if you pick out the Bandera infection. And for this, in addition to Kyiv, Lviv needs to be rolled up. And that is exactly what they are not going to do. It is to this outskirts that life is preserved and it will remain so.
            If this is not the case, the actions and the forces involved are not appropriate for the task.
            Calibers can be long
            to pick the soil, on the outskirts of the population there are many and the villagers do not suffer at all. Only Russians.
            1. 0
              25 June 2022 22: 49
              Quote: Essex62
              Yes I want to. I am for the USSR. But it's not about that, it's about emotions.

              These are not emotions - this is bare accounting. Alas ..
              Recovery money - in any case from our budget (as well as benefits, salaries, pensions, etc.).
              That is an extra load on everyone ....
              1. 0
                27 June 2022 10: 11
                The Union did not bother with this bookkeeping. Enough for everyone, from the public pie. True, then, the directors of state-owned enterprises did not receive a salary of 5 lyams a day, and there were no bourgeois who skimmed all the cream.
                And millions of citizens of the Russian Federation were denied pensions. 50 years to work, they demand. Only with work such people are not very lucky. They don't take predpension hucksters.
                1. +1
                  27 June 2022 15: 56
                  Quote: Essex62
                  The Union did not bother with this bookkeeping. Enough for everyone, from the public pie.

                  Yeah .....
                  Every year on Easter drunk we drowned 3-4-5 tractors in our area. Forever ...
                  И
                  Quote: Essex62
                  The Union did not bother with this bookkeeping.
                  - the directors wrote them off and that's it ...
                  30 (THIRTY!!!!!!!!!!) For years, metalworkers have been collecting Soviet scrap metal in the fields.
                  This means that Azovstal worked, spent state resources and working hours, paid wages so that Vasya, the tractor driver, drunk in the smoke, could throw a piece of iron into the bushes. Just like that ...
                  Or throw seeders in a ravine
                  Or drown the tractor...
                  And then they wonder - whose USSR died?
                  Yes, he simply did not master such Vasya to supply indefinitely .....
                  1. 0
                    28 June 2022 09: 47
                    What was, was. Man is not perfect. The family is not without its black sheep (last) Only that today we have an order of magnitude worse. Yes, and slovenliness is not outdated.
                    1. 0
                      28 June 2022 12: 45
                      Quote: Essex62
                      Only what we have today is an order of magnitude worse. Yes, and slovenliness is not outdated.

                      Yes?
                      1988
                      There was a collective farm next to our unit. Awesome potato fields in terms of area.
                      In the spring, the collective farm planted, all summer the pioneers and students worked. We, the conscripts, were brought in for harvesting.
                      We did not take a potato less than two fists.
                      And then the regimental commander quarreled with the collective farm - and they took us away ...
                      And the fields were left abandoned with potatoes. In winter....

                      They built a water supply system for the district center. They laid a route of cast-iron pipes in the hill. Naturally, when the pressure increased, the seams parted.
                      Built a new
                      Then more.
                      Then more.
                      On the 5th (fifth !!!) they made it from a steel pipe.
                      4 cast-iron pipe conduits were abandoned.
                      Who was jailed for this? Schaz! From some kind of pipes to plant !!! ..

                      They made a route to the region. It should have been straight, but in order to meet the authorities nicely, they made a bend to the pond a kilometer from the highway.
                      According to the documents, it is straight, but in fact the bend is large, 2 extra kilometers of road = 1,2 million Soviet money down the drain
                      1. 0
                        28 June 2022 13: 06
                        88, dear, this is not socialism at all. There Mishka's reincarnations frolicked in full. And yes, I agree, it was. But ... see the previous post.
                        I do not propose to revive the vicious factors. You bourgeois always have one and the same song - if somewhere negative, the system is to blame. Nothing like that, a lot of farms, where a diligent director and the right team, gave excellent results. And in the current system, the drone bastard profits from the labor of others and is not organic in anything in lawlessness in relation to the worker. Just don't talk about the Labor Code and the courts. Are effective only in one direction, owning classes.
                        Capitalism is an absolute evil, it is good for a bunch of ghouls. The worker in it is bad.
                      2. 0
                        28 June 2022 13: 36
                        Quote: Essex62
                        88 year, dear, this is not socialism at all

                        Road - 1976
                        Vodovodov - 1977-1979

                        Quote: Essex62
                        the mass of farms, where a diligent director and the right team, gave excellent results

                        This just confirms - singularity diligent directors.
                        We have 1 millionaire collective farm in the region and 12 unprofitable ones. Who knew that they would bring the virgin battalion / students, the plan would be knocked down and so on.
                        The system did not work - it was easier to rot potatoes than to plant as many as they could remove
                        Now the Saratov region harvests the same amount as in the USSR.
                        Despite the fact that the sown area is less by 2 million hectares, and the yield is the same.
                        Imagine how much REALLY grain then plundered, festered and rushed????
                      3. 0
                        28 June 2022 18: 13
                        And today it means everything in a bunch? Because the huckster rules? Not. Not convinced. One is not a hindrance to the other. The thieves, the former, are now the bourgeois. Someone, cunning ass, should not live at the expense of others.
                        And I know about the shortcomings. And he fought to the best of his ability. For what, with a hunchback, rake to the fullest. Well, this is poetry, but the essence is not in the system, as it was conceived, but in the rotten, selfish essence of state hapiens. Not mine - sorry.
                        Something needs to be done to make it work. How? Need to think.
                      4. 0
                        28 June 2022 18: 54
                        Quote: Essex62
                        rotten, selfish essence of goso-hapiens. Not mine - sorry.
                        Something needs to be done to make it work. How? Need to think.
                        nothing can be invented, except for a stick and a carrot ..
                        Proven for centuries and the USSR
                        Moreover, the USSR, for most of its history, mainly leaned on the whip - it was forced.
                      5. -1
                        28 June 2022 19: 18
                        Yes, you know, it was different. There was also labor enthusiasm and en masse. As well as heroism on the fronts of the Second World War, against the capitalist aggression of the West. "For Our Soviet Motherland" is embroidered in gold, on the banners of Victory.
                        No, well, you bourgeois liberoids always want to throw substance at the USSR. This is understandable. You have to come up with an excuse for your petty squalor.
                      6. +1
                        28 June 2022 23: 12
                        Quote: Essex62
                        There was also labor enthusiasm and mass

                        Novocherkassk, no?
                        Quote: Essex62
                        No, well, you bourgeois liberoids always want to throw substance at the USSR.

                        Mmmm?
                        In which of my posts did I lie? What of what I wrote was not there?
                        Quote: Essex62
                        small-skinned essence
                        this is sacred - you definitely need to hang a label! "Left deviation, right, Trotskyists, utopians, Weismanists, cosmopolitans, etc. ......" ......
                        Usually they immediately understand everything and it’s easier to live after that, again, there’s no need to think ....
                        The only problem is that Russia will not survive the 3rd redistribution of property
                      7. -1
                        29 June 2022 09: 42
                        And what about Noaocherkask? An isolated case, with corn. It's amazing that this fool only once provoked such a thing.
                        Not any biases, everything is clear - for and against private property and personal enrichment, respectively.
                        It will survive and flourish. It should be good for everyone, and not for a bunch of ghouls, forcing, according to their "laws", hard workers to beat them.
                      8. +1
                        29 June 2022 11: 58
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And what about Noaocherkask? An isolated case, with corn.
                        You didn't get the gist of it...
                        An isolated case is when a weirdo nailed eggs to Red Square.
                        And when adult family men - not stoned Maidans and not for the sake of "panties in the EU" - go to smash POWER knowing about police pistols and army machine guns, this means:
                        1) the population is driven to the extreme
                        2) no longer afraid of the authorities and the security forces
                        3) the security forces are no longer ready to shoot at the people
                        All together - this is systemic crisis of power.
                        It did not blaze across the country only because of the lack of leaders and timely measures taken.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Everything should be good, not a bunch of ghouls,

                        It was very good in the USSR for those receiving a 60-ruble salary (the then minimum wage) - cleaners, postmen, nannies of hospitals and kindergartens, and others ?!
                        Vague doubts torment me ....
                        Remember why cleaners could screw up anyone and in any way? Yes, there were no people who wanted to work for miserable pennies ....

                        And yet, in order to
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Everything should be good, but
                        - the country must pass through TOTAL (when a loaf of bread for a family for a week) poverty and preferably war.
                        So that human life is worth nothing, nothing at all
                        Otherwise, 30-40-50 year old men of a neighbor will not kill a neighbor for being a "ghoul"
                        Otherwise, alas, no way - the entire experience of the revolutions of the 20th century speaks of this. All socialist countries were born from:
                        USSR - war and poverty
                        China - war and poverty
                        Cuba - wild poverty
                        Korea - war and poverty
                        European socialist countries - war and poverty + help from the USSR
                      9. -1
                        29 June 2022 19: 24
                        So where did the war come from? That's right, from the bourgeoisie. Incl. and they have war and poverty. Only they have a bourgeois pineapple, ate with lobsters, and a hard worker gruel. And we have all the children of the leadership at the fronts fought.
                        They won and very nicely, the Soviet man, healed.
                        So what, that 60 rubles, her man has 200-250. And that's it, absolutely everything is free, or for symbolic pennies. And prices have not changed for decades. And yet, so does everyone. The salary of the minister is only three times higher than my hard workers. I have 300, he has a maximum of a thousand. Well, plus soldering is sweeter and that's it. So he is a minister. Under the temporary detention center, they generally worked "under execution".
                        Are you familiar with the concept of social justice? Who does not work shall not eat. There is no higher justice.
                      10. +1
                        29 June 2022 21: 32
                        Quote: Essex62
                        So what if 60 rubles, her man has 200-250

                        Hmm ...
                        And you were very far from life - in the USSR ...
                        1) not a single ADEQUATE man with a salary of 200-250 rubles would let his wife be a cleaner.
                        2) 9600 men left our region for the war - 800 returned.
                        1 man to 10 women....
                        The cleaners didn’t have husbands, didn’t have or were drunkards / drunkards
                        Quote: Essex62
                        . And prices haven't changed in decades.
                        - Are you joking???!!!
                        So then - 2 monetary reforms, the abolition of cards and 4 resolutions to increase retail prices ... in 30 years ...
                        Quote: Essex62
                        The salary of the minister is only three times higher than my hard workers. I have 300, he has a maximum of a thousand. Well, plus soldering is sweeter and that's it.

                        Kindergarten naivete......
                        If they didn’t show it on TV on a single channel, then it didn’t happen .....
                        The turnover of Ingushzoloto in the 1970s was estimated at 2,3 tons of gold hidden from the state. Guess at once - who suddenly got the equipment, yeah .. and for what loot ..
                        Cotton and other things are even indecent to remember.
                        As for the sweeter...
                        In Turkmenistan in the 1980s, there was a fashion for "songbirds" among local secretaries of regional committees / city committees. This is when naked Komsomol members of 15-17 years old sat on a tree and sang songs from there. The most liked was credited, they could offer dear guests
                        This is also the question of
                        Quote: Essex62
                        social justice
                        ...
                      11. -1
                        30 June 2022 10: 38
                        I was born and raised in the Union. I saw it with my own eyes and participated in many things.
                        Your desire to stick in the most difficult periods of the country's life is understandable. How else to justify the current lawlessness of the bourgeoisie?
                        Watering the Union with the substance is your everything. All your arguments are pointless.
                        Turkmenistan, some kind of Uzbekistan. They did not have Soviet power in their birth. What I see today cannot be compared. To convince the evil anti-adviser .. no, thank you.
                      12. +1
                        30 June 2022 11: 35
                        Quote: Essex62
                        the most difficult periods of the country's life are understandable.

                        1970s - of which I gave examples - the most difficult years? belay belay
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Turkmenistan, some kind of Uzbekistan. They did not have a birth of Soviet power.

                        No, but what? Very comfortably...
                        Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, the Caucasus - they were not part of the USSR - according to your logic .. there was no Soviet power there, yeah ..

                        Quote: Essex62
                        Persuade an evil anti-adviser
                        you have not brought a single LIFE fact justifying that mess, illiteracy, indifference and lawlessness - what was happening in the USSR.
                        No one.
                        Your USSR strongly resembles posters around the parade ground - glossy.
                        But your USSR has nothing to do with REALLY the existing USSR.

                        The problem is that if the USSR suddenly revives, it is people like you who will be in the forefront squealing about its "wrongness".
                        And if they also sculpt it in the image and likeness of the first one, in a couple of years, ALL the population will say, “And what a joy we are from the fact that Chubais was bitten with an ice ax - if you can only get meat “through a tuvar expert and the store manager” or from those who steal from a meat processing plant ( how was it in our village in the 1970s)?

                        You were shown problems even in Soviet cinema - but you don't want to see them.
                        "Office romance" - a man goes to meanness, tries to charm a woman who is disgusting to him for the sake of an increase of 10 rubles.
                        Everything was so socially fair - that he agreed with mymra to sleep - just to get an increase
                        And this is a deeply decent person
                        And not under capitalism...
                      13. -1
                        1 July 2022 23: 13
                        Mdya. Comedy in a line, like any other bast. lol The truth is not about chervonets. Hero Myagkov
                        returned the woman to a woman's form. And in general, what else to expect from a man-stomach? Of course, everything is measured in gold coins. In your world, it is. Whoever has more of them lives, the rest should plow on him. You, my friend, tie it with watering the substance of socialism, it has already been buried a long time ago. People, however, still remained. Well, it won’t be for long, soon we will die. And the bourgeois will help. Over there, millions have already been deprived of the opportunity, at least, to live humanly, in one fell swoop, for four or five years, postponing their honestly earned pension and not being told where the unfortunate people can find work.
                        And why should I give you facts that justify negligence? I don't need this kind of mess. Why should it be so, if not capitalism? And in another way, in an organized, modern, diligent way, socialism cannot exist? In your opinion, only the bourgeoisie and the system with private property and exploitation, is this a priority?
                        Threat and expressions choose, you squeal, hucksters, buy-sell will be when the People's patience bursts.
                      14. +1
                        2 July 2022 11: 58
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Mdya. Comedy in a line, like any other bast. The truth is not about chervonets. Hero Myagkov
                        returned the woman to a woman's form.

                        That's your problem - you see only what you want to see. You don’t want to see her and you don’t see her ..
                        I gave a movie - as an example - which can no longer be refuted - it IS ...
                        And so in everything ...


                        You see free medicine in the USSR and you don’t see what I to pull!!!!- they drilled a tooth with a NEW bur, and for everyone else in line after me - by that damn it for another week..
                        Do you know why? MONEY brought it to the appropriate office - and received burs for all their clients, and the rest went to the districts - 4 pieces per week to 1 doctor.
                        Children in Elista who got HIV because health workers were too lazy to boil syringes - remember?
                        Do you know why there was medical alcohol in the USSR - but now it is not? And everything is simple - in the 1970s mass production of palenki was organized in the Caucasus. And all transportation of legal honey alcohol immediately ended up in the right hands. All attempts by the Ministry of Health to switch to alcohol substitutes were immediately blocked tightly. Such a freebie by echelons ...
                        Sometimes it seems to me - there are no facts - that these guys pushed Gorbachev into his trick with alcohol. And immediately the volume of dough in this market increased sharply.

                        And so whatever you touch REAL life of the USSR. Not in Glossy - but in real ....

                        Quote: Essex62
                        And in another way, in an organized, modern, diligent way, socialism cannot exist?
                        - alas, as the 20-21st century shows - no.
                        Just because in the end everything slides down to "You tell me, I tell you."
                        Well, mankind has not come up with any other equivalent - except for money.
                        And any attempts to replace it immediately amaze people who begin to stir up troubles. With funds, raw materials, resources, power. And no VChK-OGPU-NKVD-MGB-KGB can handle this - simply because inside them the same people begin to stir up their trouble ....
                        Quote: Essex62
                        , you squeal, hucksters, buy-sell will be when the People terpenka will burst.
                        for bursting terpenka it is necessary - I repeat
                        Quote: your1970
                        the country must go through TOTAL (when a loaf of bread for a family for a week) poverty and preferably war.
                        So that human life is worth nothing, nothing at all
                        Otherwise, 30-40-50 year old men of a neighbor will not kill a neighbor for being a "ghoul"
                        Otherwise, alas, no way - the entire experience of the revolutions of the 20th century speaks of this. All socialist countries were born from:
                        USSR - war and poverty
                        China - war and poverty
                        Cuba - wild poverty
                        Korea - war and poverty
                        European socialist countries - war and poverty + help from the USSR
                        - do you want a country of total poverty and a serious war? But that's not all - just in case (!!!) - let me remind you that, unlike the first half of the 20th century, now a much larger number of people have something to lose. And only having lost it all - maybe - the population will go to chop off the head of a neighbor "ghoul" for having a Gelendvagen.
                      15. -2
                        2 July 2022 19: 07
                        I want my country good. And it, certainly not as, in the capitalist choice. Money is the measure of everything - a chimera.
                        And the NKVD will be enough for everything and everyone. As practice has shown. While they were fighting against the control, the USSR lived and developed, they stopped, they got it. Well, what we got. Unemployment, poverty. squeezed pension, homeless people and the gap in income. This society is sick, but you don't want to see it, because you are an egoist. And socialism is a community.
                        Cadres are everything. Muted against the wall.
                      16. +2
                        2 July 2022 19: 39
                        Quote: Essex62
                        I want good for my country

                        Want is not harmful. The problem is not that you "want", but that you do not know the real path to that "good". But at the same time - stir up hard.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        Mutilated against the wall

                        I'll support you, I guess. And in the first place - those who stir up for the next "gevolution". Smart people have already told you:

                        Quote: your1970
                        Russia will not survive the 3rd redistribution of property

                        No, "not on a horse" No.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        Survive and thrive

                        Well, then, it means - against the wall ... she died, she died like that request
                      17. -1
                        2 July 2022 19: 48
                        Walk away, troll am
                      18. +2
                        2 July 2022 19: 52
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Walk away, troll

                        You yourself are the word. I got into the habit, you know, wandering around here, being rude and stirring up. Tribune, damn it, revolutions negative
                      19. -1
                        3 July 2022 10: 37
                        Not a revolution, but the liquidation of the contra, which has sat on the People's neck. Return to normal, the power of the proletariat. Russia and capitalism are incompatible concepts.
                      20. +1
                        3 July 2022 10: 42
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Not a revolution, but the liquidation of the contra, which has sat on the People's neck. Return to normal, the power of the proletariat

                        It was already, but you prefer not to answer questions that are uncomfortable for you:

                        Quote: Repellent
                        I love optimists. The slightest turmoil in the Russian Federation - and the Russian Federation will be crushed, the same NATO that is now driving weapons into Ukraine.

                        Or do you have a recipe for how to redistribute property without property? Share then, it's interesting
                      21. 0
                        3 July 2022 11: 19
                        Yes, I don’t want to answer you troll at all.
                        We coped with the intervention and the White Guard, in the last century, we will cope in this one. Moreover, the technical capabilities today are more than an example. The percentage of those who have, in the Russian Federation, is scanty. This is not RI, drugged by a millennium - "for faith, the tsar and the Fatherland." Run away, just push. There will be no GW. In what I agree, until it is ripe. The cunning bourgeois has learned to maneuver, he does not take it to the extreme.
                      22. +1
                        3 July 2022 11: 31
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Yes, I'm trolling you

                        You will poke drinking companions Yes

                        Quote: Essex62
                        We coped with the intervention and the White Guard, in the last century, we will cope in this

                        Nope. We can't do it without a vigorous bonba. And if it is with her, then, you yourself understand, it will not matter, as it was planned to be called "ism", around which this bonbu was thrown.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        Not what GW will not

                        You should learn to write competently for starters, and then push the maxims here ...

                        In short, my friend: you are no different from all other current "communists" (and "friends and girlfriends" of them, the same "Tatras"): the same chatter about nothing, beautiful slogans, behind which there is nothing ... boring , girls negative
                      23. -1
                        3 July 2022 20: 10
                        And what is not literate in the line "there will be no civil war?" did you see the troll? Go teach your grandchildren. And do not confuse me with this seed pomace, called the Communist Party of the Russian Federation.
                        Chur me, from such "communists".
                      24. +1
                        3 July 2022 20: 17
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And what is not literate in the line "there will be no civil war?"

                        None - written together. In general, with your literacy, my friend ... not very much, by three plus somewhere.

                        What - what in this case. No hyphen needed No.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        And do not confuse me with this seed pomace, called the Communist Party of the Russian Federation

                        I don't see any difference. Your tales against their tales, and this, and that - about nothing.
                      25. 0
                        3 July 2022 20: 52
                        What kind of tales.? Do you need me to come and take you by the throat, because you drown for capitalism? What practical cases and answers, to the question of property and the social system, do you still want to hear? Go field troll, got it. :am
                        Threat or what you can write and so and so.
                      26. +2
                        3 July 2022 21: 10
                        Quote: Essex62
                        you drown for capitalism

                        Me from a high bell tower to all your "isms".

                        I am a realist, and I understand that I will live out - with the system that exists. And I perceive any attempt to "shake" ... nervously, the 90s were enough for me.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        Threat or what you can write and so and so

                        Buddy, "no there will be no war" - it is written so.
                        And so, and so - it is written separated by commas tongue

                        Troeshneg, damn laughing
                      27. -1
                        4 July 2022 12: 19
                        Yes, I do not care about your Wishlist, excellent student.
                      28. +1
                        2 July 2022 22: 09
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And the NKVD will be enough for everything and everyone.

                        Oga........
                        Never wondered why urgently liquidated the Cheka?! The one with "clean hands"?
                        So I'll tell you, by the time of the NEP, the office had become corrupt from top to bottom. And everyone (!!!) in criminal cases had a formula: "... did not enter into the inventory the values ​​seized during the search ..."...

                        There is such a brochure of 1935, extremely useful for enlightening the brain about what was happening then - "Meeting of the People's Commissariat of Communications and the Prosecutor's Office."
                        Read - Helpful...
                        Only the Moscow Department of Communications and only transfers stole 1934 million per quarter in 1,2 (!!!).
                        3 newest T-34s or 20 PPSh - at a cost per quarter.
                        And this is at the moment when Stalin received a party maximum of 600 rubles.
                        1.2 million against 600 rubles..
                        Among other things, the case is described as being given 10 years for theft "but forgot arrested and of course he ran away."
                        It also describes the mores of that time - how the post office worked and how the postal workers did not know who Kalinin and Kuibyshev were.
                        If you don’t like this material - read the Criminal Code of the RSFSR 1926. An extremely instructive thing - if you read without notorious Art. 58.
                        The current code in comparison with it is boring ....
                        Read, by God, you will be very surprised - what did the Soviet people come off before the war - they didn’t give a damn about "1937"

                        Quote: Essex62
                        Cadres are everything. Mutilated against the wall
                        if we proceed from this, all the Soviet leadership without exception should have been shot. Except for Lenin ...
                        Lenin's guard - without exception "enemies of the people and spies."
                        Stalin - "the enemy of the people and the cult of personality"
                        Khrushchev - "voluntarist"
                        Brezhnev - "stayer"
                        Gorbachev - not even discussed ...
                        And this not I came up with - this is each subsequent secretary general pouring shit on the previous one. Each ...
                        Think about why - only 1 minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs was left without a criminal case for the entire period of the USSR?
                      29. 0
                        3 July 2022 10: 45
                        I'm tired of your vicious slander. Inflamed consciousness generates false facts? Society without theft does not exist. The question is how effective it is in dealing with it. With a ban on personal enrichment, this is achieved, unlike, easier.
                      30. +1
                        3 July 2022 19: 03
                        Quote: Essex62
                        I'm tired of your vicious slander. Inflamed consciousness generates false facts?

                        Oops.....
                        A bunch of creatures (20 congresses of the CPSU) under the leadership of Comrade Khrushchev's creature - applauded his report on I.V. Stalin.
                        Has the CPSU refuted the facts presented at the congress? No?
                        Then this is not slander - well, couldn't the "best representatives of the country" slander? Well, isn't it?

                        Once again, for Americans who don’t know history and you, it’s not me who “generated false facts”.
                        It's the CPSU lil shit on each from their leaders...
                        it is historically and legally fixed - a bunch of documents.
                        However, I have long understood that you lived in the abstract USSR, and not in the real one.
                        And it's people like you who utter fiction about the USSR - do maximum harm to any attempts to restore it
                      31. 0
                        3 July 2022 19: 55
                        Do you need to restore the USSR? Don't make fun of my slippers. Sweetly settled down near the fat bastards who robbed the People and pour sewage on the country that raised you, taught you, gave you a job. By the style it can be seen in the propagandists, under the Union, they were listed. And they betrayed him as soon as the opportunity arose to live sweetly, at the expense of the work of others.
                      32. +1
                        3 July 2022 22: 10
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And they betrayed him as soon as the opportunity arose to live sweetly, at the expense of the work of others.
                        - and you apparently did not betray? Yes?
                        Did you join the partisans and start derailing capitalist trains?
                        Or shot themselves from the shame of treason and the oath?
                        Demagogy, no facts and empty pushing of slogans - nothing more
                      33. +1
                        4 July 2022 11: 54
                        In partisans, not in partisans, but frankly I do not glorify capitalism and do not justify its necessity, as you do. Under the Union justified socialism?
                        And I didn’t need to shoot, yours were almost killed, from tank guns, according to the legitimate Soviet government, they thrashed. In the center of Moscow, as in some banana republic, in order to privatize public property. And I protected her. Ugh, ghouls.
                        What other facts do you need? A huge gap in income, lack of work, the liquidation of the Soviet social system, abandoned, to the mercy of fate, old people who honestly earned their old age. And most importantly, the attitude towards a person according to the size of his money, and not deeds and qualities. To everything, a thief, on a thief.
                        I didn’t see something, the secretary of the district committee or the executive committee, on a personal “Bentley” driving around. "Volga" official, apartment, a little more spacious and rations.
                      34. +1
                        4 July 2022 12: 44
                        Quote: Essex62
                        . And most importantly, the attitude towards a person according to the size of his money, and not deeds and qualities. To everything, a thief, on a thief.

                        Yes Yes...
                        In the USSR, strictly for deeds and qualities - a letter to a drummer, and for meat - this is to thieves from a meat processing plant ....
                        I saw a lot of toilets pasted over with letters then ...
                        The phone number of the blat or "outhouse" was passed from mouth to mouth. Moreover, the phone itself was an indicator - either the boss or the blat.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        I didn’t see something, the secretary of the district committee or the executive committee, on my personal Bentley

                        Understanding that THEN the black Obkom Volga was cooler there is no current Bentley / Porsche .... Today ANYONE can BUY (yes, by selling a kidney / apartment and eating doshirak!) Porsche - it was impossible to buy the then black Volga even in theory. It was possible to drive diagonally, climb trees and crush people - the traffic cops immediately turned their faces away.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Under the Union justified socialism?
                        - oops .... political economy and diamat in institutes and techies. Notebooks with notes in the lenrooms in the army ..
                        Forgot?

                        Z.Y.
                        Quote: Essex62
                        frankly, I do not glorify capitalism and do not justify its necessity, as you do.

                        Even more fun .... that is, you simply didn’t read my posts - and when you saw the negative in the USSR, you immediately decided to write it down in praisers capitalism?
                        Hard case...
                        It’s time for you to know in old age that there are not two colors, but much more ..

                        Z.y.z.y
                        Quote: Essex62
                        abandoned, to the mercy of fate old people,

                        - a full cavalier of the Order of Glory lived in a barrack, officially recognized as emergency in ... 1972 !!!
                        So he died in it in 2006, and by 2009 the barracks collapsed.
                        God bless them with the damned capitalists - why did the native Soviet authorities spit on him?
                        He was a very quiet, modest person (we went to him at school), he didn’t know how to swear around the offices and yell, shaking orders.
                        He was NOT abandoned?!
                        Take a look around - the remnants of the front-line soldiers, many still live the same way ...
                        The current government is for loot - and why did the Soviet treat them like that? They gave the Order of the Patriotic War in 1985 and fuck off ....
                        And the most anecdote of navelizm is that NOTHING was done to identify those who died during the war. One and a half search squads by the end of the 1980s ...
                        Who did not allow the creation of a couple of three military units under the USSR Ministry of Defense - which would be engaged in search (and mass demining at the same time)?
                        Nah, push the soldiers to beat off the edging, paint the grass and level the snowdrifts around the parade ground along the rope. This is more useful for the army .... And then some who died in the war .....
                        Everyone was Spit...
                      35. +1
                        5 July 2022 08: 25
                        A bureaucrat is a bureaucrat everywhere, he always does not care. You need to hold him by the throat. Though under capitalism, even under socialism. In the USSR, there were more opportunities, now zero. I have examples from personal experience.
                        And the veteran died in the barracks in a different system. They did not have time to relocate under the Union. My family, for example, was moved from the barracks.
                        I saw all the negativity, like all citizens of the USSR. Both in civilian life and in the army. What are you doing me all the time agitating? I struggled with this as best I could, got hit on the head, but I consider the system, with a ban on enrichment, more humane and fair. The unrestrained race for loot and benefits, with elbows pushing, running side by side, gave rise to a monster where a normal person feels bad.
                        Threat about the black, district committee "Volga", turned down abruptly. To crush people with impunity? Where did you see this? A friend of mine worked for one like that, he didn’t hear something that he would drive across the trees, across.
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                      37. +1
                        29 June 2022 12: 23
                        Quote: your1970
                        Russia will not survive the 3rd redistribution of property

                        Quote: Essex62
                        Survive and thrive

                        I love optimists. The slightest turmoil in the Russian Federation - and the Russian Federation will be crushed, the same NATO that is now driving weapons into Ukraine.

                        Or do you have a recipe for how to redistribute property without property? Share then, it's interesting Yes
  16. Kim
    -6
    24 June 2022 06: 24
    If we proceed from the fact that we are at war not with Ukraine, but with England, then "delaying" is just in our favor. "Slowly and methodically" the living force is being ground, the West is coming face to face with a lack of energy and inflation that has not been seen for a long time. This is a good motivation for realizing the consequences.
    If Ukraine had entered into negotiations in March, it would have ended, most likely, only with the accession of the DNR/LNR. And would remain (in terms of military field surgery) "unopened purulent abscess."
    That there are not enough planes - most likely, so. And losing pilots is also bad. Where to get new ones?
    1. +4
      24 June 2022 06: 49
      And losing pilots is also bad. Where to get new ones?

      What if there is a real war? Again we will think about where to take the pilots. Maybe we will not use aviation at all, let some mobilized infantryman die, but not the pilots. Why then do we need such an aviation that is afraid to fight?
    2. +4
      24 June 2022 08: 14
      About 20 - 30 years ago, it was necessary to intensively deal with drones, satellites and communications, and now we are disentangling!
      1. -9
        24 June 2022 08: 27
        Quote from Traktoris
        About 20 - 30 years ago, it was necessary to intensively deal with drones, satellites and communications, and now we are disentangling!


        Why didn't anyone see you at the gates of factories, design bureaus with a bunch of rationalization proposals? Ahhh ... you traded jeans in the market and then got a job as a taxi driver ...
        1. Kim
          +1
          24 June 2022 08: 49
          "two coffees to this gentleman at my expense!"
        2. 0
          11 August 2022 06: 08
          And that everyone had to stand at the factories with ratsuhs? And do you think it would help?
      2. Kim
        -5
        24 June 2022 08: 53
        is this in 92? Or in 2002? after the collapse of the military industry, university education and the departure of the smartest from science to trade? while waiting for humanitarian aid, the country needs it for a simple "do not die of hunger"?
        well, then take it wider - from 1905, start hanging foreign agents on branches without trial
        you see, later a decent part of the scientific / military intelligentsia would not have left the country, would not have been "utilized" inside it, and the losses in the War would have been at least comparable to the losses in WW1 ...
        1. -1
          24 June 2022 11: 17
          Quote from kim
          is this in 92? Or in 2002? after the collapse of the military industry, university education and the departure of the smartest from science to trade? while waiting for humanitarian aid, the country needs it for a simple "do not die of hunger"?

          Do not find that this contradicts the previous speaker
          Quote from Traktoris
          About 20 - 30 years ago, it was necessary to intensively deal with drones, satellites and communications, and now we are disentangling!
          1. Kim
            0
            27 June 2022 07: 54
            logic is generally available not only to everyone
            And the memory of people is usually short
            ----------------
            "It's not a bug, it's a feature"
            you just have to take into account
        2. +2
          24 June 2022 12: 09
          Quote from kim
          well, then take it wider - from 1905, start hanging foreign agents on branches without trial

          He looks thoughtfully at the Grand Dukes. laughing
          With such a purge, there will be no Surname, no revolutionaries, no Duma activists, no oligarchs.
          1. Kim
            0
            27 June 2022 07: 55
            perhaps
            whether what could have turned out would be much better than what happened is a debatable question and has no practical meaning
            "who fled - fled, who was killed - killed"
  17. -8
    24 June 2022 06: 33
    You can't touch the green! Who will sign the act of surrender from the former Ukraine?
  18. +12
    24 June 2022 06: 54
    Working with a small number of aircraft leads to the fact that military leaders and staffs are learning how to conduct operations on the scale of an air regiment, air division, and air army. And gaining air superiority in this theater of operations is the task of unified work for the air army or two or three air divisions. And this is the loss of military competence.
    1. +5
      24 June 2022 09: 08
      Where can you get two or three Su-35 air divisions if there are less than a hundred of them in the whole of Russia?
      In normal times, it was only two air regiments.
      1. +6
        24 June 2022 18: 13
        About that and speech, as you understand that quantity is of great importance. And only jackets in the rank of Minister of Defense are guided by the principle "why pay more", because they do not remember the war. The military knows why to pay.
  19. +10
    24 June 2022 07: 01
    Everything is well written and the discussion is quite constructive. But if you sum up the article and comments, what's the bottom line? Personally, I now see the ultimate goal of the "operation" and the methods of conducting ... what? Operations? However, the second stems from the first. All the same, total mobilization suggests itself. Total in the sense of Everything: economy, education, culture, infrastructure, government, etc. I do not see that life has somehow changed since the beginning of the year. The mindset of the people has not changed. But these are all very inertial, long-term processes.
    Yesterday I talked with the teacher of the school, a deep trainee smile , said, in general, a terrible thing: "Probably, this and the next issue will be the last. Beyond that I see only a featureless, amorphous swamp. Mordor and Morlocks are coming. And what's even more sad is that from young teachers I hear only about Groundhog Day and boredom at work! In almost 40 years of work, I have never been bored...""
    I see something similar around me in medicine. Next week, a high commission is going to find out why we have the worst performance throughout the FMBA of the Russian Federation. And I see it not only here. System...
    1. +4
      24 June 2022 08: 20
      Vaclav, it is, they just tried to discuss the roots of these problems about school, the Unified State Examination and the Bologna Convention
      but did not come to a common denominator
      and until there is this denominator, the situation will get worse and worse
  20. +1
    24 June 2022 07: 12
    The author painted everything correctly, without taking into account one detail: Ukraine is a terrorist state of the Nazi persuasion, whose authorities took all of its population hostage. Regardless of his attitude towards Russia. And for this Nazi power, and especially for its British-American puppeteers, the maximum possible number of civilian casualties is extremely beneficial. The calculation is extremely simple: the more corpses, no matter whose shells, the more hostile will be the attitude towards Russia and its troops. "It's all your fault! While you were gone, there was no war!" - that's what they're counting on. And the fact that the Ukrainian Nazis have been killing Russian people in the Donbas for eight years, for the inhabitants of, say, Chernigov or even Dnepropetrovsk, will not look convincing. They didn't see it themselves. And the authorities presented everything to them in a strictly dosed and processed form. Therefore, they have neither a sense of guilt nor an understanding of what is happening, and they never will. For them, we are enemies who attacked "for nothing!". This is what the whole calculation of the Anglo-Saxons and their Bandera dolls is based on. And the only way to counter this is to kill Nazism in the heads of the Ukrainians themselves. To turn the SELF population of Ukraine against the Banderonazi authorities. And trying to defeat everyone, then occupying and trying to re-educate - yes, there will not be enough forces for this.

    This is exactly what the Special Military Operation in Ukraine is. And not a war against Ukraine. In fact - a sanitary-police operation in a madhouse. In which patients escaped from the wards, took staff and healthy passers-by hostage, and got to howitzers and MLRS.
    1. -3
      24 June 2022 07: 21
      Perfectly painted! 10 pluses!

      Everyone needs to explain that this is a war FOR THE MIND OF PEOPLE.
    2. -3
      24 June 2022 11: 26
      Quote: Pavel73
      This is exactly what the Special Military Operation in Ukraine is. And not a war against Ukraine. In fact - a sanitary-police operation in a madhouse. In which patients escaped from the wards, took staff and healthy passers-by hostage, and got to howitzers and MLRS.

      And other psychos (EU) are so crazy that they deliver it to them for free, although when they were normal, they counted every euro ...
  21. -6
    24 June 2022 07: 23
    The author decided that he was smarter than the wise generals of the General Staff. It is good that they do not waste their precious time reading such articles, because they know more, see more widely, understand deeper than all sorts of shtafirs. And yes, all their actions are correct, because they would be punished for mistakes, but this is not.
    1. +2
      24 June 2022 10: 59
      Is this sarcasm and irony?
      1. 0
        24 June 2022 11: 45
        I thought it was clear and without explanation.
        1. -2
          24 June 2022 21: 33
          Well, judging by the fact that you were given minuses laughing
  22. +3
    24 June 2022 07: 31
    I liked the article. On business.
    Why do not we use electronic warfare stations - I can assume that they, like a number of other types of weapons, are few. The troops are simply not saturated with modern types of weapons. It seems to be - developed, created, tested ... And then - a dark forest. How much has been said and written about UAVs for a long time? And now it turns out that they are not enough. Apparently things are exactly the same with electronic warfare stations. And the indecision of our leadership, to be honest, annoys me.
    1. -13
      24 June 2022 07: 52
      Don't bother, the answer is in your nickname
      1. +13
        24 June 2022 09: 26
        Thanks for the reminder! And really, why bother, let the horse think it has a big head, huh?
        1. -10
          24 June 2022 09: 29
          I explained above ;)
    2. +9
      24 June 2022 08: 15
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      It seems to be - designed, created, tested ...


      yes, it seems that all developments are being carried out "for a report", and then - at least the grass does not grow
      one more point that I want to pay attention to: the cost of purchasing our products - why such price tags? - as if we are chasing prices for the equipment of our opponents!
      but salaries are in rubles, materials and energy are in rubles ...
      Who gets the margin at these prices?
      1. +1
        24 June 2022 11: 30
        The cost of a 152mm projectile in 1971 was 120 rubles ...
        Quote: Dedok
        salary - in rubles, materials and energy in rubles ...
        Who gets the margin at these prices?

        Who received the margin for a piece of pig iron in the USSR???!!!!
        ATGM cost 11 rubles ..
        Same question....
        1. +4
          24 June 2022 14: 47
          a neighbor in the country works, well, there ...
          he is also a pensioner, but he is indignant about the level of remuneration: the menagers who come receive 2-3 times more than the heads of groups, departments of his design bureau ...
          hence the question: do we pay for ideas, their implementation, or for a "place"?
          1. +1
            24 June 2022 15: 43
            Quote: Dedok
            hence the question: do we pay for ideas, their implementation, or for a "place"?

            Hmm .... and what did they pay a person in the USSR with contemptuous nickname - "MeNeeS"?
            In 1978, my father had 3 scrapers with higher engineering education in PMK.
            They said - "Yes, you have to be completely sloppy in order to work in science for 120. And a whole 10 rubles allowance ...."
            I knew a man whose wall in the room was pasted over with evidence in 4 (!!!!) layers. He was able to introduce only 4 in his entire (!!!) life (of which 2 were in the war) ...
            No one needed this engineering potential for nothing ...
            1. -1
              24 June 2022 19: 22
              Quote: your1970
              I knew a man whose wall in the room was pasted over with evidence in 4 (!!!!) layers. He was able to introduce only 4 in his entire (!!!) life (of which 2 were in the war) ...
              No one needed this engineering potential for nothing ...

              Now ask the rogue Shpakovsky how much money he received for his idle-cardboard inventions.
  23. +13
    24 June 2022 08: 00
    Reading the article, especially its last paragraphs, which are in the spirit of "erase into radioactive ashes", most of all delivers how the author of his, so to speak, "rich inner world" boils.
    Nevertheless, I would like to ask a rhetorical question: if Zelensky is Petrushka, and the leaders of Western countries are clowns, then how can we praise our leadership, which in 4 months of the war has not really come close to defeating this "circus"?)
    1. -17
      24 June 2022 08: 08
      There is no need to praise leadership. Just volunteer and show everyone how to fight, that's business
      1. -3
        24 June 2022 09: 00
        So I am for peace, and for Russia to withdraw its troops from Ukraine. Fighting for peace is like having sex for virginity (a free quote from a famous poster). Well, again, for a citizen of the Russian Federation to fight for Ukraine is such a thing. This is wrong and punishable. Ukrainians should fight for Ukraine, which they do more or less successfully. As far as I understand, they do not experience a shortage of people in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
        On the other hand, I don’t understand at all those people in Russia who put on a T-shirt with Z and write comments “Vpered” while sitting on a cozy sofa. Everyone is welcome in the military registration and enlistment offices now: you can earn some money, loot (now this is not punishable) and try to bring a little Russian world to Severodonetsk, for example, personally. If possible. But, no: 2/3 of the population supports SVO exclusively from the couch.
        1. -10
          24 June 2022 09: 12
          Russia will withdraw troops after achieving all the stated goals of the Special Military Operation.
          1. +5
            24 June 2022 12: 13
            Those. timing is not clear. Fun. And if the goals are not achieved in a year, three, five, ten?
            The next question is: what exactly is considered the completed goal of the SVO?
            1. -9
              24 June 2022 12: 27
              The destruction of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as such, the re-establishment of a policy friendly to Russia, the eradication of Nazism in the minds of people. In short.

              The main goals will be achieved this year. The eradication of Nazism will be carried out in the course of a friendly Russia policy for 5 7 years
              1. +3
                24 June 2022 17: 53
                The timing is good, this is already a plus for constructiveness.
                As far as goals go, I can't agree. None of the goals you have outlined can be set out in a treaty, except perhaps the liquidation of everything.
                I think the option of unconditional surrender of Ukraine is fantastic (the West will not allow it). And that means you have to negotiate. How, in your opinion, should "friendly policy" and "eradication of Nazism" be fixed?
        2. +2
          24 June 2022 20: 21
          Fighting for peace is like having sex for virginity
          Said hippies on benefits, shaking dreadlocks and rolling cigarettes wassat If we want to enjoy the world, we have to fight, said the Romans (Cicero). Something like this.
          1. -1
            26 June 2022 08: 20
            Fascism is an ideology and practice that affirms the superiority and exclusivity of a particular nation or race and is aimed at inciting national intolerance, justifying discrimination against representatives of other peoples; the denial of democracy, the establishment of the cult of the leader; the use of violence and terror to suppress political opponents and any form of dissent; justification of war as a means of solving interstate problems.

            I am silent about the fact that unleashing an aggressive war is illegal.
            1. 0
              26 June 2022 10: 38
              Fascism is
              And what about fascism? Peace is the result of war.
              1. 0
                26 June 2022 18: 47
                Fascism here despite the fact that you, if I understand correctly, approve of war as a way to solve international problems. If this is true, then I would think about it if I were you.
                PS Since the time of Cicero, the world has changed a bit. Now, for example, it is no longer possible to capture slaves in Gaul and, by selling them to the citizens of Rome, improve their well-being)
                1. Kim
                  +1
                  27 June 2022 07: 59
                  Was there a war in Iraq or a special operation? Libya someone declared war? or "well, it's different!" ?
                  1. 0
                    27 June 2022 12: 32
                    There were wars. And, yes, this is different, because. these wars were sanctioned by the UN, which has the same authority. Now I will give an analogy and explain.
                    At the household level, it is probably clear to everyone that murder is a crime. At the same time, in order to comply with the rule of law, suppress offenses and administer justice, it is possible to use violence, incl. lethal. At the same time, it is not the ordinary members of society themselves who determine who and to what extent to apply violence, but the structure located above them, which delegates its monopoly powers to use violence to the relevant authorities. At the same time, one must understand that killing a person is always bad, even when, for example, we are talking about the elimination of a criminal. It is bad that it came to the murder that they could not detain, prevent.
                    We can observe a similar situation in international law, but with one important difference. War is bad, wars must be avoided. BUT, at the same time, you need to have a tool that will allow you to preserve international law and bring to justice its violators. And, just as citizens cannot arbitrarily decide for themselves: who to kill and who not, so de states (as ordinary members of the world community) do not have the right to independently decide to start a war with someone. Only the UN Security Council has the right to decide on the use of force at the international level. Actually, this is where the key difference lies, that international law, in fact, has no legal means of coercion by force of the permanent members of the UN Security Council. In this case, it seems reasonable to apply the principles of direct democracy when the issue of the use of force is submitted to the UN General Assembly. This does not make the use of force legal in the full sense, but it definitely gives it legitimacy. To summarize:
                    War is always bad. It is unfortunate that people at 21 have not learned how to resolve disputes through arbitration. At the same time, if the use of armed force is necessary, then it must be approved by the UN Security Council or the UN General Assembly in order to prevent the arbitrary use of armed force.
                    Based on this context, you can judge for yourself why the wars in Iraq or Libya are really different.
                    1. Kim
                      0
                      28 June 2022 05: 13
                      those. "the right of nations to self-determination" should be deleted from the permitted?
                      and, since you know so much, did the UN also sanction Yugoslavia?
                      1. 0
                        28 June 2022 07: 44
                        No, the right of a nation to self-determination is reflected in the UN Charter. At the same time, there is also the right of the state to sovereignty over its territory. These 2 rights conflict with each other and a mechanism for their implementation is required. Again, I will give an analogy: a citizen who is married has the right to divorce. The existence of this right, however, does not mean that one can divorce at any time, for any reason and without the appropriate legal procedure. The mechanism for realizing the nation's right to self-determination is currently in its infancy. Kosovo is considered the only legal precedent. From this precedent, we can conclude that in order to realize the right of a nation to self-determination, it is necessary: ​​1) international legal recognition of the fact of genocide; 2) a long (several years) period of autonomous existence; 3) a referendum under the supervision of international observers.
                        PS In general, in countries that have a number of national autonomies in their composition, prone, even in the recent past, to separatism, it is customary to give priority to the right of the state to sovereignty over its territory.
                      2. Kim
                        0
                        1 July 2022 04: 26
                        so it was in Yugoslavia "UN permission" to bomb Belgrade?
                        Who will decide whose right is more important in this case? and who gave such a right to solvers?
                      3. 0
                        1 July 2022 07: 26
                        In Yugoslavia, there was no agreement in the UN. It is up to the UN to decide "whose right is more important". "Resolvers" have such rights based on the Charter. Although, I repeat, the decision-making mechanism for the implementation of the nation's right to self-determination is still in its infancy.
                      4. Kim
                        0
                        1 July 2022 07: 40
                        those. can a decision be made to "bomb Belgrade" without regard to the opinion of the UN? Thanks
                      5. 0
                        1 July 2022 09: 48
                        No, of course you can't bomb Belgrade (or anyone else) without a UN sanction. Guilt is determined only by the court, but purely philistine, at first glance, NATO really did not have the right to operate in Yugoslavia in 1999.
                      6. Kim
                        0
                        1 July 2022 10: 12
                        and yet carried out
                        "the right of the strong" in its purest form
                        accordingly, it is possible for everyone who takes a risk and turns out to be strong enough
                      7. 0
                        1 July 2022 11: 22
                        No. If someone breaks the law, it will never legalize it. If the gopnik Vasya squeezes a mobile phone from a sucker and does not sit down, this does not mean at all that you can also squeeze mobile phones. And that you will not sit down for it.
                        If you think otherwise, and allow the solution of international problems through war, the definition of fascism is given above.
                      8. Kim
                        0
                        1 July 2022 11: 57
                        at the very beginning of "all this" I watched Galkovsky's video "about"
                        he also touched upon the question "what did the diplomats fail to do?"
                        very briefly (and in my retelling. from memory - it was around the end of February-beginning of March):
                        1) diplomacy has only two states - peace and war
                        as I understand it, peace is everything that is not war
                        2) (as of December 15.12.2021, XNUMX, at the time of the ultimatum) figurative comparison:
                        two divers at depth
                        one to the other says "sir, you stepped on my sole on the air hose. I can't breathe." The second after these words comes with the second sole. Lead.
                        What is the first thing to do in this situation?
                        ----------------------
                        unlike Yugoslavia, which by no means threatened the States
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                      10. 0
                        1 July 2022 12: 19
                        And, just in case: I believe that a strong, friendly, allied and independent Ukraine at the same time would really be in the interests of Russia.
                      11. Kim
                        0
                        4 July 2022 05: 34
                        as part of the Kyiv region? well maybe :)
                        ZY, have you seen the map of "Ukraine" as of 1654? it's about the same size :)
                        Z.Y. "Project Ukraine" itself is anti-Russian
                        therefore must be eradicated
                      12. 0
                        4 July 2022 07: 58
                        I can’t argue here, because. the interests of the country is a debatable issue. If you see them that way, then you are right.
                      13. Kim
                        +1
                        4 July 2022 11: 25
                        hard to argue :)
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                  2. -1
                    11 August 2022 11: 21
                    Given that both in Iraq and Libya, the use of force was authorized by the UN - why not call it a war? Officially sanctioned war, yes.
                    Although at the everyday level, a special operation is understood as something short-term, without victims (or with minimal victims) on their part. Casualties among civilians on the opposite side are also desirable to be minimized. Therefore, at the household level:
                    1) both wars in Iraq are full-fledged wars, because involved massively ground forces;
                    2) operations in Libya and Yugoslavia - precisely operations, because fought remotely without loss on their part;
                    3) the recent Israeli operation in the Gaza Strip is also a special operation, because. quickly and without loss on their part;
                    4) if "Kyiv in 3 days" had succeeded, this would also have been a special operation;
                    5) what has been going on in Ukraine for half a year cannot be called anything other than a war.
                2. 0
                  11 August 2022 06: 16
                  And what, since the "great Rome" invented new ways to solve international problems (except for war)? Teach tell us "wretched" what are they? And most importantly, why do the lights of science and shitocracy (Americans) continue to use these backward methods all over the world?
  24. +1
    24 June 2022 08: 05
    Awkward questions: air supremacy over Ukraine and its consequences
    Questions, questions... what's the point of asking "uncomfortable questions"???
    To stimulate the "minds" in various areas of our military command, strategic planning in the field of military science and the military-industrial complex !!!
    It is clear that there are many "miscalculations", just the very HOLES that limit the effective use of those systems, those positions in which we seem to have an undeniable advantage !!!
    Now do not groan, you need to gasp, but fix it !!! And not in a rush, storming, all sorts of, as it were, "effective" actions, decisions, but PLANNED, RELIABLE, CAPITAL!!!
    This may not be the last conflict, and the enemy is so-so, compared to real monsters ... although, of course, the united west shows that even indirectly, they can bring us a lot of harm and problems!
    In general, "MORE CAREFULLY SHOULD, maybe wash your hands to that kid that washes test tubes?!?!?!" soldier
  25. +2
    24 June 2022 08: 05
    Firstly, the need to "press close to the ground" leads to the fact that combat aircraft become vulnerable to man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS), which are physically impossible to completely destroy. Of course, their attacks are far from always effective, but it can be assumed that as the conflict drags on, the total losses of aviation from MANPADS will be compared with those that the Russian Air Force could suffer when gaining strategic air supremacy.
    Neither in Yugoslavia, nor in Libya, nor black bearded men in Syria, did MANPADS help much. And they were just pressed to the ground to the fullest
  26. +10
    24 June 2022 08: 10
    political will - no, therefore we see unrelated actions, unfortunately
    1. -12
      24 June 2022 08: 21
      The Russian army goes like a roller destroying the Nazis who are hiding behind civilians. What more political will do you need if the military is involved?
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    2. -6
      24 June 2022 08: 36
      so long ago the NWO would have ended if not for the direct intervention of the United States
    3. -1
      24 June 2022 09: 47
      Because this will not give anything in terms of the departure of a single "hail" and a volley around the city with flight.
  28. -12
    24 June 2022 08: 26
    How excited were the couch! You got all of these blah blah blah.. at least someone transferred the ruble to help. ??
    1. +4
      24 June 2022 11: 02
      What about taxes, not enough?
      1. 0
        24 June 2022 19: 30
        Quote from AdAstra
        What about taxes, not enough?

        Few. Partners whistled 300 billion, left without pants.
    2. +7
      24 June 2022 20: 17
      We pay taxes and considerable ones, and we are also forced to buy UAVs for the army because Putin and those who appointed him to do this did not. And only those who have one gyrus connected to the TV do not want to notice that our army is not ready for war even with such an adversary as Ukraine, the vast majority of the war is old equipment from the times of the USSR.
      We do not have enough MFIs and therefore we have nothing to operate in the air, two Su-35 air regiments of normal composition are nothing for the size of our country, like 6 Su-57s. In addition, we have FOUR AWACS aircraft for the whole country and two RTR aircraft.
      We do not have any UAVs in the troops and we do not have modern means of counter-battery combat, so we cannot take out their artillery.
      At the same time, for the last 20 years we have had money, there were factories, there were samples of weapons, there were specialists, but our leadership did nothing.
  29. +15
    24 June 2022 09: 04
    Our President and our Defense Ministry were preparing for parades and demonstration exercises, which is why we have so few combat aircraft and practically no special aircraft that should have been in a modern army (DRLO aircraft, RTR aircraft).
    And we also do not have modern strike UAVs, and these functions are performed by the same aviation, which is already insufficient.
    1. 0
      24 June 2022 11: 03
      And do you remember those teachings that you showed on the zomboyaschik? All some kind of terrorists, as if there were no countries with armies left in the world.
  30. -7
    24 June 2022 09: 07
    Since the author does not understand what he writes, let's start with the basics. From geography and other quantitative indicators. The area of ​​Ukraine is more than 600 thousand square meters. miles if memory serves. In this case, distances are measured in hundreds of kilometers, i.e., the flight time of an aircraft at a speed of 0.9M is at least tens of minutes, during which time any target itself can travel tens of kilometers.

    The total number of modern fighters of the Su-30SM and Su-35S types before the start of the database was 200 with a penny, however, their losses are insignificant.

    In addition, there were apparently about 100 Soviet-built fighters (Su-27SM), or simplified models (MiG-29SMT, Su-30M2). And, apparently, the same number of MiG-31s ​​of different upgrade options.

    It is impossible to shoot all fighters from all directions, so all the MiG-31s ​​that are useless over Ukraine and obsolete / simplified vehicles, most likely, were not even involved in the NWO. Most likely, half of the modern fighters remained in the air defense, and in addition, we most likely have about 100 modern fighters participating in the NWO.

    120-130 serial Su-34s were built (apparently, with the replacement of losses in disasters), the main workhorse, which, apparently, suppressed air defense, we will take losses pessimistically at 10 vehicles, i.e. if absolutely everyone was driven there, and it everything flies, then we will get about 100 tactical bombers of the Su-34 type, perhaps there are still a couple of dozen Su-24Ms.

    Su-25 different versions were in service up to a hundred, the machine does not differ in high performance characteristics, all variants can use laser-guided guided missiles (this was done in Afghanistan by highlighting the "maple" rangefinder or from the ground), a certain amount of SM3 can use guided bombs . Losses are unknown, but can be serious, because they fly low, and MANPADS are full, replenishment is only from storage, and it is better to immediately from a warehouse for modernization.

    In total, we have up to 200-250 modern aircraft capable of flying through Ukraine in theory, and up to 100 more can operate against the front line and in the near rear. If we make 2 sorties a day, which is very tough and in the same Syria was implemented by the shift work of pilots and technicians, then we have at the peak up to 400-500 sorties of modern aircraft per day. This is the limit of what is possible. And this is good if enough to support the ground forces. That is, they simply have no time to fly far beyond the front line.

    In addition, there are about 100 more Tu-22M3M, Tu-95MS and Tu-160. Perhaps it is from them that air-launched missiles go to the targets, which are spoken about at briefings by the Ministry of Defense. But these are strikes against stationary targets.

    So where did the author get the idea that nothing on earth can feel safe, I don’t know, firstly, there are not so many planes physically, secondly, they don’t see a damn thing on the ground, you don’t have to think that you can see enemy positions in a dense forest with any kind of instruments. And in general, the experience of using the Air Force in the last 1 years is exactly the same, where you can hide from aircraft, they hit the station. objects, but the same tanks they come across infrequently. Forests, mountains, buildings, all this allows you to hide from a flying threat.
    1. +2
      24 June 2022 20: 00
      firstly, there are not physically so many planes

      Yes, but in your calculations you counted all all modern aircraft, but this cannot be done, they are needed on the western border and in the Far East and Chukotka, where there are Americans and Japanese. And the Su-30SM is not a modern aircraft, the modern one is the Su-30-SM2, but they have just begun to be converted from the Su-30SM.
      secondly, they don’t see a damn thing on the ground, you don’t have to think that you can make out enemy positions in a dense forest with any kind of instruments.

      It's not like that at all.
      Firstly, all positions, especially air defense positions, have radars that should detect RTR aircraft, which we do not have but which should hang constantly and detect such points.
      Secondly, we must have a satellite reconnaissance system, which again includes RTR satellites and optical reconnaissance satellites, the latest technologies allow such satellites to see not only through foliage but also through clouds. But we don't seem to have that.
      Thirdly, we must constantly have AWACS aircraft covered by modern fighters to protect us from enemy air forces and air defense missiles. Such aircraft detect targets at long distances and they detect air defense systems that are not even working. But we don't have that either. 4 AWACS aircraft for the whole country, this is nothing.
      Fourthly, again, a modern radar with AFAR MFI should detect targets in the forest without problems and there should be optical means of detection, including in the infrared range. But we don’t have that either, even the Su-35 doesn’t have radar with AFAR, although this is already the standard of yesterday, and of course we also don’t have optical means like the F-35.

      That is, a country that has all these modern means in four months of fighting would have already suppressed air defense and the Air Force would have already operated freely at high and medium altitudes. Although, as you correctly said, there is nothing for us to act there. Only our leadership is to blame for this state of affairs, the country had money, the enterprises had personnel, there was only no solution.
      1. 0
        25 June 2022 00: 52
        Ukrainian air defense is not engaged in protecting objects from air attack, and has not protected a single object, but:
        Quote: ramzay21
        Firstly, all positions, especially air defense positions, have radars that should detect RTR aircraft, which we don’t have but which should hang constantly and detect such and such

        And their radars don't work all the time.
        Secondly, we must have a satellite reconnaissance system, which again includes RTR satellites and optical reconnaissance satellites, the latest technologies allow such satellites to see not only through foliage but also through clouds.

        There's no such thing. even cloudiness kills optical space (and any other optical) reconnaissance, including hyperspectral. Moreover, all satellites of such reconnaissance are located in sun-synchronous orbits, that is, each satellite allows you to receive information about a certain area on the Earth's surface only once a day.
        Quote: ramzay21
        Thirdly, we must constantly have AWACS aircraft covered by modern fighters to protect us from enemy air forces and air defense missiles. Such aircraft detect targets at long distances and they detect air defense systems that are not even working.

        They cannot detect an inoperative air defense system.
        Fourthly, again, a modern radar with AFAR MFI should detect targets in the forest without problems

        Radars cannot. And AFAR is completely useless here. AFAR is a way to amplify the emitted and received signal.
        about there is a country that has all these modern means in four months of fighting would have already suppressed air defense and the air force would have already operated freely at high and medium altitudes.

        optimistic fantasies.
        1. 0
          25 June 2022 05: 07
          And their radars don't work all the time.

          So for this, RTR aircraft must constantly be in the air, so that as soon as the radar turns on, it detects it and strikes.
          There's no such thing. even cloudiness kills optical space (and any other optical) reconnaissance, including hyperspectral.

          An American civil satellite company was demonstrating the ability of its satellite to take high-quality images despite thick clouds.
          Moreover, all satellites of such reconnaissance are located in sun-synchronous orbits, that is, each satellite allows you to receive information about a certain area on the Earth's surface only once a day.

          Even more rarely, such a satellite can capture a strip 200 km wide, divided by the length of the equator and the number of revolutions per day.
          They cannot detect an inoperative air defense system.

          They detect targets such as a tank and can detect air defense systems, including those that are not working and on the march.
          optimistic fantasies.

          For our country, yes, but for the United States, this has long been a reality.
          1. 0
            26 June 2022 16: 40
            Quote: ramzay21
            So for this, RTR aircraft must constantly be in the air, so that as soon as the radar turns on, it detects it and strikes.

            "As soon as ..." in reality will not work. There is a time interval between detection and attack, which the radar uses. In addition, the radar stations there are switched on only when the presence of aircraft from other sources, the same external observers, is confirmed. And if you have to turn on for a long enough time, as in the case of the attack on the Serpentine, then they get something.
            An American civil satellite company was demonstrating the ability of its satellite to take high-quality images despite thick clouds.

            What's the point of discussing advertising? We need data on cloudiness density, contrast gradations of the surveyed object, and contrast gradations of the resulting image of the object. But in fact - cloudiness kills optical space reconnaissance.
            They detect targets such as a tank and can detect air defense systems, including those that are not working and on the march.

            They can, if the enemy does not use camouflage and plays giveaway.
            For our country, yes, but for the United States, this has long been a reality.

            No. For the US, this is also not reality. With air defense actions from ambush aimed at causing damage to the enemy in manned aircraft, the concepts of SEAD and DEAD do not work. In Ukraine, all objects of its military infrastructure are affected without the suppression of air defense, since it practically does not interfere with this.
  31. +8
    24 June 2022 09: 22
    Quote: Ka-52
    after the defeat of Ukraine, our fleet of surviving combat aircraft can be safely written off according to the development of the material resource. How will we protect the country

    Can we reforge "yachts" into planes? Or not an option?
    1. +5
      24 June 2022 11: 05
      What do you like? Well it's all overwork, malnourished and not finished drinking.
    2. -7
      24 June 2022 11: 37
      Quote: Understanding
      Quote: Ka-52
      after the defeat of Ukraine, our fleet of surviving combat aircraft can be safely written off according to the development of the material resource. How will we protect the country

      Can we reforge "yachts" into planes? Or not an option?

      Naturally, not an option - a dozen aircraft will be added, no more ....
      1. +1
        24 June 2022 19: 36
        Quote: your1970
        Naturally, not an option - a dozen aircraft will be added, no more ....

        Abramovich's Eclipse costs more than a dozen SU-35s.
        1. -2
          24 June 2022 23: 51
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: your1970
          Naturally, not an option - a dozen aircraft will be added, no more ....

          Abramovich's Eclipse costs more than a dozen SU-35s.

          It’s worth it .... but here’s a problem - no one except Abramovich needs it.
          That is, if they are taken away, they will not bring money to the budget for Su, Migi and aircraft carriers ......
          The state simply will not be able to sell them.
          Moreover, the state will be forced to spend money on them from the budget for security and maintenance.
          It will be piece goods, used and with a bad reputation. Well, it is not suitable for the needs of the state ..
          1. -1
            25 June 2022 00: 11
            Quote: your1970
            no one except Abramovich needs it.

            That's right, that the money is spent on unnecessary crap, such as hitting Lopez in the ass with a slingshot.
            1. -2
              25 June 2022 00: 57
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: your1970
              no one except Abramovich needs it.

              That's right, that the money is spent on unnecessary crap, such as hitting Lopez in the ass with a slingshot.

              I should probably start not writing my own opinion and writing the truth - but slogans, like Meehan .......
              If I write now "Take away / divide / yes to count them" and five "+" pieces would definitely cut down.

              Tired of reading slogans without trying to think.
              2 times in the 20th century, the consequences of "take away and divide" were observed. Both times, relative stabilization appeared after 7 years, not earlier.
              Both times during this period, ordinary people were the most affected.
              Both times, incompetent resources were destroyed
              1. -1
                25 June 2022 06: 55
                Quote: your1970
                Both times during this period, ordinary people were the most affected.

                Disagree. It is difficult to call the princes and owners of factories, steamboats, commoners.
                1. 0
                  25 June 2022 23: 09
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  Quote: your1970
                  Both times during this period, ordinary people were the most affected.

                  Disagree. It is difficult to call the princes and owners of factories, steamboats, commoners.

                  Pffff .....
                  First, match INTEREST ratio
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  princes and owners of factories-factories-steamboats,

                  to the peasants and the proletariat.
                  And you - apparently with surprise judging by the disagreement - will find out that NOT commoners occupied God forbid 1% from the population.
                  Of this percentage, at least 1/3 fled abroad immediately, back in 1917 ...
                  So who got hurt stronger - princes on the Cote d'Azur or peasants with food requisitions and proletarians with killed industry, hunger, anarchy / anarchy and Civil?
                  Remember in "Officers"
                  - "The wives of the command staff are not allowed to eat meat!"? And this is a reality for more than hundreds of millions of the population of Russia for about 7 years.
  32. -8
    24 June 2022 09: 38
    It can be definitely said that the US Air Force had strategic air supremacy over the entire territory of Iraq and Yugoslavia in their respective military conflicts.


    They had, this did not prevent the air defense of Yugoslavia from dropping at least the F-16 and F-117. And do not think that they flew there without electronic warfare equipment and one by one. And how long did the Serbian airfields function ...

    It is believed that we surrendered Iraq altogether


    Was Hussein our friend? For the United States, yes, while the frigate "Stark" also fought with Iran, therefore he was forgiven. With whom it does not happen, like grizza.

    and not the supply of military equipment, while they are still relatively small, although this is only a matter of time.


    If the author had become familiar with the availability of materiel in Euro-Nazis, then he would not have written such nonsense, the European military-industrial complex is in a coma, the European army is 200-300 tanks, they ALREADY have nothing to supply, in addition, Germany seems to be planning to jump off this Titanic. So the only question of time is a complete cessation of the supply of heavy weapons from the EU, the United States will twitch, but 10-20 howitzers, or fifty M113s, is only our museums to replenish.

    To gain strategic air supremacy, it is necessary to organize an intensified hunt for Ukrainian air defense systems, destroying them, if not all, then 99%, and this can presumably be done according to the scheme - provocation, detection, destruction.


    The atomic bomb on Hiroshima was dropped by a single bomber, but how did it break through? And so, it’s just that the Japanese, having no fuel, no longer raised fighters to intercept single aircraft, and scouts flew there non-stop. And the Ukrainians will not shoot at single incomprehensible targets either, one should not think that there is a tail sticking out of everyone’s head, and no one has canceled advisers.

    And the only way to completely finish off the remaining air defense systems is to accept as a fact the presence of American satellites and the possibility of the presence of these air defense systems, which means ambushes, and the use of all precautions. If the enemy unmasks himself, then let him catch the X-31, and if he is afraid, then it’s great, if the air defense has eliminated itself, then it has no reason to exist.

    The railway track was destroyed - a repair team was sent, 30 minutes after the start of work, a blow was struck on the team and the repair team. They sent a second one - another blow.


    Well, yes, spend an expensive rocket or bomb, break penny rails, then fly in just in time for an ambush. Moreover, when this brigade arrives there ... Maybe in 3 hours. Actually, therefore, ours did not suffer such garbage, simply by bombing the traction substations, there are not so many of them, and it is most likely unrealistic to repair. Good luck to the ukrams with a collision with standing electric locomotives.

    There will be no military enlistment offices and communications - there will be no conscription


    Kashcheev's death - military registration and enlistment office. When men are rounded up and then brought somewhere, where they are quickly processed. Does the author really believe that this requires a whole military registration and enlistment office? Is it okay that such recruiting centers will simply be placed in a residential area, and will move every 3 days?

    Before offering an idea, you need to think about how the enemy can counteract this. Otherwise, it somehow turns out that technical methods for solving the problem (like a brigade with shovels and a truck with asphalt, or even just concrete) turn out to be much easier and cheaper than manufacturing such a complex product as controlled ASP and ensuring scarce sorties.
    1. +1
      24 June 2022 12: 53
      Quote: EvilLion
      Kashcheev's death - military registration and enlistment office. When men are rounded up and then brought somewhere, where they are quickly processed. Does the author really believe that this requires a whole military registration and enlistment office? Is it okay that such recruiting centers will simply be placed in a residential area, and will move every 3 days?

      We had a district military registration and enlistment office in the school building. They joked that in this school they come to the final exams immediately with things - just in case. smile

      But the training center as a goal is much more profitable. There are fewer of them, they are larger and "heavier", it is extremely difficult to relocate them with all the infrastructure and materiel, and there are only military targets there.
  33. AAK
    +3
    24 June 2022 09: 40
    The article is good, the sentences are correct, but there are only two remarks:
    the first - for more than a 100-day SVO, Russia has not yet adopted or even submitted a legal act (or its draft) on recognizing Ukraine as a Nazi state, its leaders, politicians, military and administrators as Nazi criminals , and any country providing non-humanitarian assistance to Ukraine - an accomplice of the Nazis;
    second and most importantly, if the author of the article gives such real and effective proposals, and they are reasonably supplemented by colleagues at VO (and not only at VO, it is enough to look at the materials of any Russian military-patriotic Internet portal), then why do we have such an intellectually undeveloped (censorship) and shy-timid (censorship) political-administrative and military leadership?
    1. -3
      24 June 2022 11: 44
      Quote: AAK
      Ukraine as a Nazi state, its leaders, politicians, military and administrators as Nazi criminals, and any country providing non-humanitarian assistance to Ukraine as an accomplice of the Nazis;

      Let's admit it, shall we?
      What's next???!!!
      Here the SS was recognized as a criminal organization by the decision of the INTERNATIONAL tribunal.
      As veterans of the SS walked along the Limitrophes in parades, they walk.
      And the EU does not care about it ....
      1. AAK
        +2
        24 June 2022 13: 08
        Yes, there are problems with internationality now, but you still need to start
  34. 0
    24 June 2022 09: 52
    We will respond in a mirror to everyone, look at ourselves beautiful and calm down.
  35. +2
    24 June 2022 09: 57
    from all of the above, I concluded: the front-line Su-25s are not very effective because of the MANPADS, the strategic ones like the Tu22 are also because of the -300 air defense systems. Russia has only 3 effective means of destruction - Caliber, Dagger and artillery with drones. A dagger is an expensive pleasure, and they must be saved for every fireman. Caliber and artillery remained than the AFRF and are used with varying degrees of success, of course. But all the same, it would not hurt to spend 1 dagger on the tunnel - this event will drastically reduce losses in the special operation.
    1. -1
      24 June 2022 10: 31
      Quote from Mass Mass
      Russia has only 3 effective means of destruction - Caliber, Dagger and artillery with drones. A dagger is an expensive pleasure, and they must be saved for every fireman. Caliber and artillery remained than the AFRF and are used with varying degrees of success, of course.

      And Calibers with Iskanders are very expensive and they need to be used more prudently, industrial facilities and railway junctions, electric substations do not require such extreme accuracy to be destroyed. Non-guided missiles like Tochka-U and Elbrus, of which we have plenty, but which for some reason we do not use ... relatively cheap and very cheerful. And we have many times more of them than dill!
  36. 0
    24 June 2022 10: 23
    Very interesting, voluminous and topical article! Yes, all air superiority ends behind the leading edge. What to do? Our Points -U and Scuds to help, this is a war and not WHO. And aviation to carry the front line to the fullest!
    1. -2
      24 June 2022 10: 35
      This is essentially a military-scale anti-terrorist operation.
      1. +2
        24 June 2022 13: 52
        Quote from blade3
        This is essentially a military-scale anti-terrorist operation.

        It's just a substitution of concepts. Large-scale, high-intensity military operations are underway with the participation of all branches of the armed forces. With a consumption of tens of thousands of shells per day, hundreds of cruise missiles per month. With thousands of human losses from the dill side, that's for sure. And after that, someone "turns their tongue" to call it an anti-terrorist operation? ... it's hard to remember any other conflict of the last decades of such intensity! The last one was probably only Korean
        1. -4
          24 June 2022 15: 45
          There is no substitution of concepts. Yes, this is a Special Military Operation. Russia is not fighting the Ukrainian people for it to be considered a war.

          You can consider this a war for the minds of people
          1. +1
            24 June 2022 20: 39
            And why don't the Ukrainian people meet us with flowers. Why is there no mass surrender in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, or at least attempts? The Ukrainian people - explain who it is. If you are talking about civilians, then who fights on the fronts, who commands them. Or the Ukrainian people are only those whom we liberated. to Romania (not a Ukrainian, a Russian who lived his life in Ukraine). There is no clear policy from above, and you decided in one fell swoop to free the Ukrainian people
            1. -1
              24 June 2022 20: 43
              Above, a person perfectly described the state of modern Ukraine in the form of a psychiatric hospital that the West took hostage.

              The people are all the people. Let them choose to be treated or not
              1. +1
                24 June 2022 23: 13
                Are you going to make a diagnosis?
                1. -2
                  25 June 2022 06: 31
                  By speaking openly against Russia, Ukraine has diagnosed itself.
            2. -1
              24 June 2022 22: 42
              not in Russia, but in Romania
              Hoping for European documents and German freebies.
          2. 0
            25 June 2022 23: 41
            Quote from blade3
            Russia is not fighting the Ukrainian people for it to be considered a war.

            And who are the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Not representatives of the people of Ukraine? It's not the people, is it?
            People
            a wide, polysemantic community of people, which means: 1) the population of the state, the inhabitants of the country; 2) nationality, nation; 3) the main labor mass of the country's population; 4) large crowds of people; 5) a certain age or professional category of people.

            good

            War - a conflict between political entities (states, tribes, political groups, and so on), occurring on the basis of various claims, in the form of armed confrontation, military (combat) actions between their armed forces. As a rule, war is a means of imposing one's will on the enemy.


            socio-political phenomenon, the continuation of politics by violent means.


            armed conflict between opposing states, nations, large territorial communities with the participation of armies, militias or other combat-ready formations;
  37. +1
    24 June 2022 10: 30
    what will happen tomorrow is unknown, and the negative scenarios for the development of this “tomorrow” will be determined precisely by Russian actions in Ukraine. We will win - no one will turn up, and electronic warfare equipment will not be needed, the West will quiet down for a while. Let's start losing - nuclear weapons will be the last and only argument.


    Gold words.

    Firstly, the need to "press close to the ground" leads to the fact that combat aircraft become vulnerable to man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS), which are physically impossible to completely destroy.


    There is another negative point here - not every military aircraft will be able to routinely fly at low altitudes.
    And the loss of those who it can be much more painful,
    because Finding a replacement will be very difficult.
  38. +2
    24 June 2022 10: 31
    There is only one question: what were the generals preparing for, what did they prepare for?
  39. 0
    24 June 2022 11: 02
    Another opus from the ranks of sofa fans who, sitting in front of TV, see everything, know everything and understand everything. There are a lot of ready-made - right decisions in my head. And how can Western / overseas leaders not see all the mistakes? It has long been necessary to read such opuses, see many miscalculations and, taking into account all the mistakes of the leadership of the RF Armed Forces, plan / carry out all the crushing defeat.
  40. -2
    24 June 2022 11: 05
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  41. +2
    24 June 2022 11: 09
    To paraphrase one famous Soviet cartoon, our air superiority is a very strange thing, it seems to be there, but it seems not to be.
  42. +5
    24 June 2022 11: 16
    This allows the calculations of Ukrainian air defense systems not to use detection radars that immediately unmask their positions on an ongoing basis, but to use data from Western countries to pre-enter information into the air defense system, turn on the radar for a short period of time to attack, followed by a change in positions.

    Detection radars cannot unmask the positions of the air defense systems, since the artillerymen always sit outside these positions. Ever since the days of the USSR, air defense has been well aware that the radar stations of the OVTs shining for hundreds of kilometers unmask everything and everything, and therefore the RTV had its own network of positions.
    In some cases, the OTC radar can be attached to the zrdn. But in standard mode, the division sits quietly, does not catch the eye, chop potatoes - The radar works on the equivalent, the information comes "from above" and is displayed on the VIKO, the commander is waiting for target designation and orders. There is an order - the radar is deployed to the azimuth of the target, switching to radiation, a short search in a known sector, capture, escort, launch, guidance, defeat (or miss - then we finish it either ourselves or neighbors) - and waiting for the next order (if it is an air defense system DD deep in the rear) or emergency curtailment and march to a new position.
  43. 0
    24 June 2022 11: 32
    Quote: Ka-52
    but they die like in a war

    only from a physiological point of view. If it was a full-fledged and full-scale war, then the death toll would increase by orders of magnitude. When the General Staff operates not with tens of thousands of military personnel, but with millions, it will not bother much with losses in order to achieve strategic goals. Then the death of 3000 military personnel in 3 months of hostilities would seem like happiness to you.

    If the aim of the war would have been achieved in this case, then no. And here there are victims, but the goal is unknown.
  44. +1
    24 June 2022 11: 40
    So many letters and reasoning "from empty to empty".
    I'm lost recourse
    It should be easier:
    - no air supremacy
    -reb turned out to be half empty
    And if not one, but 2, 4, 8 "Krasukh", located on the border of Belarus and Poland, on the ships of the Black Sea Fleet

    belay
    Go to Wiki, look at the structure, composition, look at the cost - get dumbfounded and understand that the budget has been eaten, and the exhaust is zero
    Even if a NATO AWACS aircraft or an American strategic UAV completely crashes to the ground from the effects of electronic warfare

    At least one case...
    This allows the calculations of Ukrainian air defense systems not to use detection radars, which immediately unmask their positions, on an ongoing basis, but to use data from Western countries for preliminary input of information into air defense systems

    belay
    . By hand, right?
    Or are they already integrated into NATO air defense in Europe and on each air defense system link16 pp module?
    It would be interesting to see how the United States would have reacted to the supply of S-300 air defense systems, operational-tactical missile systems (OTRK), anti-ship missiles (ASM) and other weapons at that time.

    It would be interesting HOW AND WHAT would Russia supply all of the above to Yugoslavia if Borka the drunk did not listen to his friend Bill?
    -With the battle, the Black Sea Fleet would make its way through the Adriatic and the Bosphorus?
    - would break through the land corridor through Ukraine-Romania (Hungary) or Poland (and beyond) ????
    Seriously?
    We cannot solve transit to Kalliningrad with Lithuania.
    The same “let's try to figure it out @” prepared analytics before the start of the CBO and as a justification for the ease of implementation.
  45. +2
    24 June 2022 11: 55
    Air supremacy was to be won in the first weeks. Based on the stories that we were told about our VKS before the special operation.
    I don’t believe in fairy tales about the transmission of information from Western early warning aircraft. At best, it can be transmitted there that someone is flying somewhere, but it is impossible to transmit the information necessary for guiding missiles or even for more accurate positioning of the radar. This requires the integration of the Ukrainian air defense systems left over from the Soviet Union into the NATO structure.
    Therefore, let's face it, our Aerospace Forces refused to be weak and insufficiently prepared to destroy enemy air defenses
    Without such conclusions, error correction is impossible.
    And now it is necessary not to look for ways to suppress the mythical help from NATO aircraft, but to saturate the troops with unmanned strike weapons.
    Or just gather all your strength into a fist and destroy the air defense of Ukraine, you understand that there will be serious losses. But then fly freely
    1. +1
      25 June 2022 00: 34
      Quote: certero
      I don’t believe in fairy tales about the transmission of information from Western early warning aircraft. At best, it can be transmitted there that someone is flying somewhere, but it is impossible to transmit the information necessary for guiding missiles or even for more accurate positioning of the radar. This requires the integration of the Ukrainian air defense systems left over from the Soviet Union into the NATO structure.

      "Iron logic! ...Because it's right! good And I have always been somewhat skeptical about the vaunted electronic warfare! (I have "let it out" about this more than once on the VO lines ...) I am not categorically opposed to electronic warfare equipment ...! If there are people: 1. trustworthy; 2.competent in technical aspects; 3. Those who assure that they witnessed a demonstration of the high efficiency of electronic warfare - then so be it ... there will be electronic warfare equipment in the RF Armed Forces! But there should always be "active" weapons nearby! Electronic warfare and missile weapons are like "good and Colt"! "Good" and Colt achieved much more than one "good"! I had to hear about electronic warfare systems in the HSR, capable of "closing" the entire "Europe", but why is not the "smaller in terms of territory and number of" radio electronics "Krajina" "closed" ... rebus, kraksvord, as A. Raikin used to say! Most likely, The HRV turned out to be insufficiently prepared, equipped, organized for a real "war"! The activity of "effective managers" from the Ministry of Defense, guided by the slogan: "The economy must be economical" in the field of building the Armed Forces, the military-industrial complex ... has given its "fruits" even now!
      PS Note: EW system "Murmansk-BN" ... range 3000 km ...
  46. -2
    24 June 2022 12: 02
    The aviation of the Navy and the Russian Air Force have no direct analogues of the E / A-6B Prowler and EA-18G Growler. The Su-24MR is a reconnaissance aircraft, it is already outdated, it does not know how to put interference. Only 24 units of Su-8MP jamming aircraft were manufactured, they were never brought to “mind”, and after the collapse of the USSR, they all ended up in Ukraine.

    It is necessary to convert all Su34s into such aircraft and release the Su30SM2 instead
  47. 0
    24 June 2022 12: 02
    Quote: Ka-52
    The coalition was able to attract about 600 units there. combat aircraft for various purposes without prejudice to the defense capability of their countries. The loss of 10% of the aircraft also did not shake it. In addition, the Americans had both the tools and knowledge of how to hack into the air defenses of enemy countries. And still lost at least 10% of aircraft and helicopters.
    We do not have the opportunity to attract the same grouping to suppress the air defense of Ukraine without reducing the country's defense capability

    I would like to know When did the Americans lose 10% of their aviation in Serbia?
    If we take care of aviation now, then it simply won’t be needed in the future because we will lose the war. We need to think about how to win now as quickly as possible with fewer losses. For this, the Aerospace Forces was created.
    For a war with NATO, our VKS is still weak, all hope is for air defense.
  48. BAI
    +2
    24 June 2022 12: 34
    Ruthlessness and ruthlessness is the only thing we can oppose to the countries of the West.

    Can not. Property and accounts of the political elite in the West. While arrested. And if Russia is active, then they will confiscate it. Nothing personal just business.
  49. +3
    24 June 2022 12: 35
    It would be interesting to see how the United States would react to the supply of S-300 air defense systems

    Would they be suppressed using multiple superiority in aviation?
    Then most fighter-bombers had a pair of HARMs, just in case. And it was simply dangerous for the remnants of air defense to turn on the radar.
  50. -2
    24 June 2022 12: 38
    I think it's time to test the "Zadira" in order to burn the electronics of foreign AWACS.
  51. +7
    24 June 2022 13: 25
    That is, it all comes down to one thing again - how cool it would be if we had all this in the required quantities and then we would quickly defeat everyone, but... We don’t have all this in the required quantities, and therefore we will sigh and continue to churn out Calibers in three shifts, fire them and storm fortified areas with BMP-2s. BM-21 is our everything. After all, 40 pcs. fired a rocket-propelled shell, look, one will hit where it needs to be...
  52. +3
    24 June 2022 13: 42
    And we promise everything

    We promise to promise what is promised - the credo of our comprador government.
  53. 0
    24 June 2022 13: 48
    In Iraq, the Americans killed 9 thousand military personnel and 600 thousand civilians. This is the price of a total air war.
  54. +4
    24 June 2022 14: 00
    In the minds of the people there is a war going on for our Russian world, but in the minds of the authorities it is not clear what. They still have excellent connections with respected partners, who, even after everything that happened, remain respected even in Kyiv. The exchange of Nazi scum Tyra speaks of this very clearly. I remember the recordings of the sweetest conversations between the Supreme Commander and Lady Parashenko. This is simply unthinkable. So we can fight, overcome, overcome as much as we want on the couch, but it’s all down to one place. That’s why it’s not a war, but a military defense. It’s already too “special,” this VO, I would even say “a specific military operation”
  55. +1
    24 June 2022 14: 03
    This allows the calculations of Ukrainian air defense systems not to use detection radars that immediately unmask their positions on an ongoing basis, but to use data from Western countries to pre-enter information into the air defense system, turn on the radar for a short period of time to attack, followed by a change in positions. Such tactics can lead to significant losses of our aviation, which is why it is forced to "huddle to the ground."

    This raises another question: why does the Russian Federation have no allies? (Khodarenok asked about the same thing on a number of programs).
    Because everyone (except Syria, Eritrea) is bad, or because of incorrect attitudes in foreign policy and diplomacy?
    The wars that Russia really waged alone, but against a group of countries, it mostly lost.
    For example, the war with Napoleon did not end in 1812; there were another 2 years and defeats of his army from Russia’s allies. Only after this was entry into Paris.
  56. -1
    24 June 2022 14: 15
    >a “maize plant” into an unmanned transport aircraft, is it possible to do something similar for the Russian Armed Forces?

    If a similar solution was applied by Azerbaijan in Karabakh, then the question seems rhetorical.

    I really hope that the decision will be long overdue and the extermination of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from the air will become total and merciless.
    1. 0
      24 June 2022 16: 37
      The Chinese have long been converting licensed AN-2s into unmanned kamikaze drones hi
  57. +5
    24 June 2022 14: 41
    Money, Yes. It’s just that we pay our debts to the whole world (if you believe it), and then this world fights with us with our money. They rob us and take away everything we can and can’t. And we all smile at all the chaos. It's time to respond in a mirror way. They took it from us, and they took us too. There will be money. For the armament and development of all of Mother Russia.
  58. +5
    24 June 2022 14: 47
    Strategic air supremacy is the ability to conduct air operations and aerial reconnaissance over the entire enemy territory. Apart from missile strikes, this is not the case.
    Operational dominance is the ability to conduct air operations to great depths with the ability to strike military infrastructure and military units deep behind enemy lines. As well as conducting aerial reconnaissance over enemy territory to great depths. If we assume that aviation can so far solve such issues only with the help of long-range missiles without entering the zone controlled by the enemy, and not all is well with aerial reconnaissance, then operational dominance is very conditional.
    Maximum tactical. They flew up to the combat zone at a low altitude, carried out fire, or landed/picked up troops. Destroyed enemy aircraft if they showed themselves. Reconnaissance by drones, sometimes with the help of AWACS aircraft, scanned the airspace. IMHO
    So the author, in my opinion, gave an overly optimistic assessment. As for punishing arms suppliers and the main conductors of Ukrainian Russophobia, then, alas, we will not be able to punish them, since for more than 30 years we have perceived them as partners with whom we can and should learn to live and work, with whom there was a conflict only in reality.. ., ugh, on the “ideological” front, which we got rid of for the sake of peace and everyday comfort. True, they never became equals for them, but rather Indians, carefully following the instructions of the “white brother” and easily throwing away the gold of their ancestors for promises to learn how to make glass beads and burning down their wigwam for the opportunity to sometimes visit a saloon.
  59. +1
    24 June 2022 15: 42
    I also asked myself the same question. At least something could have been taken from Azerbaijani tactics to detect air defense
  60. +1
    24 June 2022 15: 56
    I will add to the author's proposal. In order not to use small fighters, it is proposed to use the An-2 (or an alternative) converted to an unmanned version. Equip the An-2 with the 1st PRR, detect radiation using the PRR, or install a station in the An-2.
  61. +11
    24 June 2022 16: 11
    I apologize to the author, but I cannot give any other assessment of what was written - what a game!!! There is no "air supremacy"! Neither tactical nor strategic, nothing! It is possible to use aviation periodically, “but so, too little, too little...”. Because neither the air defense of Ukraine has been destroyed, nor the MANPADS. That’s why Ukrainians ride on Nenka as they want and wherever they want.
    We have neither the means of suppressing air defenses like the United States, nor sufficiently effective electronic warfare means. All these are the results of a grandiose deception instead of serious preparation for a serious war.
    And the finale of “onolitegi” is absolutely enchanting - “the whole world is in ruins!!!” Yeah, our guarantor is pissing to announce mobilization, and you’re hoping for a nuclear strike?!
    It would be funny, but in reality it’s scary and all hope is for “Vanka the Infantryman”, who gnaws away the enemy’s defense meter by meter. At least there were enough cartridges and body armor. What the hell is “domination”?!
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  63. +8
    24 June 2022 16: 49
    One thing is becoming increasingly clear - someone doesn’t want us to win quickly and effectively (if we win at all, hoping to win everything back) b...!!!????? ) and does not allow the military to use all its capabilities to destroy everything that interferes with the conduct of the battle, including for aviation!!!!!
    This is not laziness, this is “doing nothing” when they don’t hit the decision-making centers in Kyiv and allow Zelensky and his gang to make one crazy decision after another to continue military operations..!!!! Moreover, if we give him such freedom of action, then, at the suggestion of his masters, he becomes more and more impudent, the latest shelling of gas towers.... isn’t this an example and is that the only thing!!!?????
    Moreover, this reluctance to fulfill one’s own promises is outrageous (why then so many big words...) is increasingly leading to negative consequences both on the battlefield and during shelling of our territories with wounded and killed Russians in peaceful villages and civilian infrastructure facilities !!! The question is how long and what needs to happen so that words are confirmed by deeds, and not blah blah blah...!!!!!
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  65. CYM
    +2
    24 June 2022 17: 06
    Quote: Ka-52
    Taking into account the range of the S-300VP, in order for tactical aviation to safely operate over the battlefield in the area of ​​​​Pisok and Avdievka, it is necessary to suppress all Ukrainian air defenses up to the Dnieper.

    IMHO In Azovstal, on the eve of the surrender of the invaders, the Tu-22M3 were bombed properly and the theoretical range of the S-300 did not interfere. At times, the Northern Military District begins to resemble the “strange war” of 1939-40. sad
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  67. +8
    24 June 2022 18: 14
    Quote: 30 vis
    One question. Why are you spreading false information?

    With the first person, everything is ambiguous and muddy, but after all, the eldest son with a talking mustache is definitely a great Briton, and his current wife definitely used to have a blue passport (USA) - this information seems to have never been a secret. Many high-ranking mothers preferred to give birth to their children in the USA - this is also no secret. Lavrov’s daughter is a natural American - this is also no secret.
  68. 0
    24 June 2022 18: 17
    This is a great article. Very interesting. You are probably absolutely right in what you say. It's immediately obvious that he is an expert. But I wouldn't put all my eggs in one nest. Try what this man says step by step so you can then make the right decision in the face of the air dilemma he poses in this brilliant article.
  69. 0
    24 June 2022 18: 55
    In English we call it "Interdiction". The destruction of supplies, reinforcements etc behind the front lines. It is essential work by any army and must be continuous. Missiles and special forces can help, but ultimately it must be done by aviation. Overall the Russians are winning, the opening attack was very impressive by both air and sea. Now the air war is very poor and the land forces are suffering as a result. As I write the Ukrainians retreat from Sievierodonetsk and other areas. These withdrawals should be completely destroyed and this can only truly be achieved from the air.
  70. 0
    24 June 2022 20: 00
    We will arm their enemies the same way they arm Ukraine, for example, we will help Argentina take the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) from Britain, and we will take from them everything that can be taken without even crossing their borders, for example, we will expropriate all their intangible assets.
    feel
    I'm embarrassed, but I can't help but ask:
    - Who are these “we” - what kind of secret omnipotent organization is this?
  71. +2
    24 June 2022 21: 46
    It will not be possible to use Orion or Outpost drones, since they simply do not exist. They cannot produce it, since our country does not have a semiconductor or microelectronics industry. This time. And two. The massive use of aviation is complicated by the presence of M1 beech aircraft and a large number of Stingers.
    If we had attack drones like bairaktar, then Donbass would have already been liberated.
  72. -2
    24 June 2022 21: 50
    What happens, according to the logic of the author of the article, is that if the enemy has air defense systems, then we do not have air supremacy? Then who has it? no one?
    calibers and other missiles fly where they need to go.
    The troops of the Kyiv regime cannot turn on the air defense radars.
    So there is still dominance.
  73. 0
    24 June 2022 22: 29
    If our planes cannot bomb targets where and when they want, then what kind of strategic air supremacy can we talk about? Until we sort out the Ukrainian air defense system, this will not happen. It's strange how it turns out. Israel and the United States have found ways to bypass and destroy Soviet S-300s, beeches, tors, arrows, but for some reason we in Ukraine cannot completely suppress them. Although this is our development and we know all the technical data, capabilities and vulnerabilities. And we have good electronic warfare and RTR means. It's not clear what's going on. The Nazis could not significantly change the performance characteristics of old air defense systems. I completely agree with the author that we urgently need to change approaches to conducting SVO. Whatever you call this operation, it’s still war. And in war it should be like in war. Without any games of giveaway. If, of course, we want to win and achieve our goals. The only good thing is that thanks to this SVO, our leadership and all of us have become clear about the real state of our army, navy and their command. Got rid of unnecessary illusions. It's time to draw conclusions, make up for lost time, and restore order in the country and the army. Like after the war with the Finns. Then we didn’t have time to do a lot before the age of 41, but now we need to do it...
    1. 0
      25 June 2022 15: 13
      It's strange how it turns out. Israel and the USA have found ways to bypass and destroy Soviet S-300s, beeches, tori, arrows

      where did you get the idea that you found it?
      1. 0
        29 June 2022 20: 42
        read the chronicle of Israeli operations in Syria, the United States in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya. Air defense in these countries consisted and consists mainly of Soviet installations.
        1. 0
          30 June 2022 09: 11
          Well then it’s worth answering the question - who’s behind the levers???
  74. 0
    24 June 2022 22: 39
    Such a combination of decoy targets based on UAVs and outdated manned remote-controlled aircraft
    decoy targets should be designed so that their radar signature and behavioral characteristics were similar to combat aircraft, I’m not sure that we have many such targets. It is more realistic to agree to the loss of a maximum of one aircraft to guarantee the destruction of the air defense system, despite the fact that at high altitude the pilot has a chance to eject in advance and survive.
  75. 0
    24 June 2022 23: 40
    To penetrate the Armenian air defense, Azerbaijan used its stock of AN-2s, converted into primitive UAVs. What prevents ours from doing something similar? But we have a much larger park of various junk items!
    1. 0
      25 June 2022 15: 12
      did the Armenians have air defense????
  76. 0
    24 June 2022 23: 44
    Quote: svoit
    decoy targets should be designed so that their radar signature and behavioral characteristics were similar to combat aircraft, I’m not sure that we have many such targets.

    If you turn a couple of old planes into a flying bomb, then you will try to shoot down all the “false targets”
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    1. 0
      25 June 2022 15: 11
      You can write and talk about this as much as you like, but this will not make our military budget larger than the American one or the level of corruption will not become less

      You simply cannot imagine the level of corruption in the American military-industrial complex....
  78. 0
    25 June 2022 04: 56
    Probably, the answer to the questions in the article is that they don’t do it because they can’t.
    It's hardly a matter of determination...
    Technical capabilities - available means, real technical characteristics and quantity - despite all the PR, simply do not allow it.
  79. 0
    25 June 2022 05: 06
    Why are they not using means that destroy all electronics? It seems that we have them, as well as the means of their delivery.
    1. 0
      25 June 2022 15: 09
      I also think that it would be nice to detonate several shells with EMP, for example, over Kiev and other large cities.
  80. +2
    25 June 2022 07: 55
    Quote: NA1981
    Because in our country there is no semiconductor and microelectronics industry.

    There are also no engines, none at all, for UAVs. What are passed off as domestic are actually imported.
  81. 0
    25 June 2022 08: 01
    Quote: Artyom Khvaleba
    overcome the financial potential of developed Western countries

    In fact, the war is in the interests of global financial capital - for example, the remnants of the USSR industry in Ukraine are being destroyed. Ultimately, there is a struggle between the capitalists of the USA and the PRC for the possession of food resources in the Black Sea region. The PRC is the largest importer of Ukrainian grain.
  82. +1
    25 June 2022 10: 39
    The author, in my opinion, made one important mistake. Namely, he started talking about some kind of “strategic domination...”. Immediately citing the example of the US war.
    At the same time, it is quite obvious that achieving such dominance is only possible in the case of a “war with monkeys”, when “bearded men in slippers” act against you. In all other cases, the situation of free air action over enemy territory is unscientific fiction. Many “military analysts” in recent years, absolutizing the experience of US wars, began to say that only total air supremacy matters, forgetting that given the means, a person will always find a way. Eventually the Serbs shot down the nighthawk. And the United States had much more air supremacy there.
    In Ukraine, I remind you, there were three military districts of the USSR. These are three fronts. 9 armies with military air defense systems. And a full-fledged air defense infrastructure of the country. The Soviet military and engineers knew how. And they knew how to do it. And now we are at war with them. With their intelligence and experience. This means that it is simply impossible to gain “strategic superiority” there. This USSR air defense area was built with the expectation of a war with NATO, massive raids by dozens, if not hundreds of vehicles. And our happiness is that the locals were actively selling, squandering and rotting the Soviet heritage. Therefore, we can achieve local air superiority there.
    We must clearly understand that our aviation will not be able to fly freely over Ukraine and throw cast iron. How ours couldn’t fly over Germany without losses in 1945.
    And there is no need for empty dreams and tossing. I believe that the right instrument of strategic influence has been chosen - tactical missiles. He's expensive. But in this situation it is optimal. Nevertheless, delights on the topic of unmanned An-2 or other exotics can only have occasional success. There are no fools sitting on the other side.
    Another question is that the impact on the infrastructure of the Ukrainian Armed Forces war is not enough. And I would like, for example, a more violent “rail war”. But here again we are faced with the legacy of the USSR, where people understood how to make a transport system so that it was resistant to local defeat.
    In short, methodical, leisurely work at the strategic level is required. Without dreams and projects.

    As for battlefield aviation, it has suffered, is suffering and will continue to suffer from heat-guided missiles. No amount of air supremacy will exclude a Gavrik with MANPADS, huddled in the ruins of a barn. It's unavoidable. Alas.
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  84. +2
    25 June 2022 15: 25
    I completely agree with the author.
    But his plan is impossible to implement under current conditions. Our leadership has stated many times that “Russia does not attack civilian infrastructure.” The purpose and meaning of this is unknown.
    Apparently, the lives and health of our soldiers, officers, and civilians of Donbass mean nothing to them.
  85. 0
    25 June 2022 16: 22
    The author of the note copied descriptions about some weapons with their characteristics from military literature, this is understandable. And regarding the questions and conclusions from the author, let me note that not only the author himself, but also a large number of people who are monitoring the situation in the combat theater see what is happening. But we also understand that the enemy is very serious, he is supplied by the entire West, so the desire to suppress him 100% is not possible. And measures will be taken by the top leadership exactly at the right time and in those places and, of course, on the basis of not only military, but political calculations, the correctness of which we do not doubt for a second.
  86. 0
    25 June 2022 16: 45
    I would like to object to the author without a detailed analysis, but briefly:
    1) the RF Armed Forces generally have little aviation, any of them, alas, are dispersed in different directions, some are stationed abroad - this is about capabilities;
    2) a cruise or ballistic missile, a glide bomb that is orders of magnitude cheaper than an attack aircraft, designed to perform the 1st task and only - this is about the means;
    3) Ukraine has a very high population density, a humane military operation does not imply the use of unguided munitions against air defense facilities located in populated areas - again about the means;
    4) Konashenkov reports daily on the destruction of radars, Buk-M1 and S300, MiG-29 (Su-27s are gone) - the fight against air defense is underway - this is about the results;
    5) no one will tell us about the operation of EW and RTR equipment and other types in real conditions - on what basis should we draw conclusions?;
    6) the Ukrainian theater of operations is absolutely controlled by all types of NATO intelligence, information is duplicated by many sources, jamming radars in Poland does not deprive NATO of information from other sources.
    So we can bomb Azovstal and Avdeevka with cast iron, but we can’t bomb bridges, stations, villages and villages - within the framework of the Northern Military District we cannot have strategic air superiority.
  87. 0
    25 June 2022 19: 10
    Inevitability is the first sign of dominance, I noticed that we are not very good with this! Why is this a question that definitely needs to be addressed! Either the reason is in the command, or in the weapons. In my opinion, both are present!
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  89. AML
    +1
    25 June 2022 20: 50
    Quote: Hwostatij

    By the way, it is a mystery to me why Ukrainian cities still have electricity.


    With a sharp loss of power consumption, nuclear power plants fall into emergency mode. With the same success, you can directly fire at nuclear power plants. NPPs are even safer.
  90. 0
    25 June 2022 21: 44
    Thanks to the author for the article. Opened my eyes to the situation. It was purely intuitive that from the beginning of the Northern Military District our aviation was not operating at full strength.
  91. 0
    25 June 2022 21: 54
    author Andrey, you are very radical. No, everything was presented quite well, but you, like many readers, have one problem - you don’t understand, STILL, that is, after three months +, the specifics, the difference between SVO and war. From the point of view of “war and the air force”, everything is correct. But this is not a war. GDP, Russian Federation at all! There is no need for an embittered, conquered and broken-down country. After three months you can already understand that something new is happening, without analogues in the past. I partially agree with “how it should be hammered”, partially based on “the region has never been united and there is a specific source of its infection.” I also agree - where are the bombs?
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  94. +1
    26 June 2022 00: 39
    Good review. I would add about the importance of space reconnaissance. We still have the Aerospace Forces, not the Air Force. NATO is very active in this aspect.
  95. -1
    26 June 2022 01: 50
    Some collection of scraps of thoughts. Why describe the use of EA-6 if Russia did not have and does not have such systems? I don’t know who wrote it, but I’m reading...
    1. 0
      26 June 2022 16: 57
      Quote: AC130 Ganship
      Some collection of scraps of thoughts. Why describe the use of EA-6 if Russia did not have and does not have such systems?

      Just like in the US Air Force, the EA-6 and F-18E have never been, are not and never will be. The author simply does not understand the topic he is writing about.
  96. -1
    26 June 2022 09: 14
    Quote: your1970
    Naturally, not an option - a dozen aircraft will be added, no more ....
    Reply

    I'm no longer talking about yachts that float, but about "yachts" that are stolen and taken away. They are enough for a lot.
  97. +1
    27 June 2022 13: 18
    A stupid article by an armchair theorist, all of whose knowledge about military affairs was gleaned from the Internet, and, at best, from the journal Foreign Military Review. He came up with some new entity, “Strategic Domination,” which he couldn’t even explain. The author himself begs for uncomfortable questions:
    1.aerospace operations - finally space! But where did the author find it? For a bottle"space", together with "astronauts"?
    2.continuous presence in the skies above the enemy should be guaranteed - Does the author have millions of planes? Or does he shoot them like a machine gun?
    3.Does the Russian Air Force have strategic dominance... allowing Russian aviation to freely strike the entire depth of its territory? - Why don’t they apply it?
    4.We surrendered Iraq by handing over the frequency grids (radar) - is this a secret? Radio reconnaissance didn't work, did it?
    5.Perhaps it is precisely because of this that the Russian Air Force does not use combat aircraft on the scale to which it could - the author proposes to pull all combat aircraft into the NWO zone, exposing other areas?
    6.This allows the Ukrainian Armed Forces to provide fairly effective rear support to the front line. - did the Americans cope with this problem in Vietnam, despite their air armadas? Well, or did thousands of Anglo-American bombers 100% suppress all logistics of Nazi Germany? What, you say, would make any car with the DHL sign a nightmare? Or any truck to pieces?
    7.There are no problems with communication, the cities are illuminated, the Internet and television work - Are you proposing to bomb Ukraine and its entire population into the Stone Age? What about statements that the Ukrainian people are fraternal? Do you want to confirm that Russia is an aggressor country and has come to destroy a neighboring country?
    8.spend "Calibers" and "Iskanders" on each transformer booth - Do you think the military is so stupid?
    9.splitting Ukraine into its component parts is vital, and this can be done with the help of aviation - it is forbidden. Only with the help of infantry. Or should every infantryman be given a helicopter ;-)
    10.Petrushka-Zelensky is still alive - It's hard to come up with something more stupid. It is not he who makes the decisions. The actual decision makers are being destroyed. And it's not that simple. There is no need to give the sacred sacrifice to anyone - it is greatly awaited. Yes, and someone needs to be judged when it’s all over
    11.Russian bombers must hover over the territory of Ukraine 24 hours a day, dropping tens of tons of bombs at the slightest movement of the Ukrainian Armed Forces - I believe that the author bakes bombs like pies, hundreds of tons per day; Well, he pumps aviation kerosene directly from wells into aircraft tanks; somehow their air armadas didn’t help the Americans much... and Germany resisted until a Russian soldier hoisted the banner of Victory over the Reichstag
    12.the need to “hug to the ground” - will the author shoot from the Ka-52 cannon and launch NURSs at firing points from kilometer heights? Or has the author never heard of attack aircraft?
    13.we do not know the real effectiveness of certain Russian weapons systems - the author did have an epiphany. Maybe I should have thought about this right away, and not shouted about something I was incompetent at?
    Somehow I'm tired of further commenting on this nonsense...
    Summary: the author is an armchair “expert” (after all, I am inclined to believe that this is so), or a provocateur (then this should be cut out from the site)
    1. 0
      27 June 2022 17: 14
      “I write on the fence” style, for my own people. It’s hard for those who aren’t our own to read this “raspberry” and translate it into “our”
      1. +1
        27 June 2022 18: 33
        Quote from odessy
        "writing on the fence" style

        Who did you write this to? To the author of the article, or to me (futurohunter)? If it’s me, then what did I write that’s incomprehensible? But the author of the commented article has knowledge at the level of video blogs on YouTube. At best, he read articles in topwar.ru of the same level as his article
  98. +1
    27 June 2022 18: 41
    Well, if the minister took part in planning the operation, then what problems could there be? the main thing is the party’s assessment of activities and determination on the face
  99. -1
    28 June 2022 20: 12
    Quote: eskulap
    If the president does not like what to do?

    create your party, go forward. grow up to be president. just believe me - becoming president of the Russian Federation in 2000 is not what a normal person would want. There is no budget, but there are debts to the IMF, the war in Yugoslavia, Chechnya, conflicts all around, regions are spreading like cockroaches, State Department agents are almost openly sitting in positions, and you only have the right to sign what the Duma agrees with you( also bought), each minister has an oligarch assigned to him, who tells him what to do... I understand now Boris, who drank every single day - you drink here when you realize that you can’t do anything at all. And this president took it and did the impossible. Therefore, if you don’t like our president, you can cry into a handkerchief. We like him. Deserved it. Honestly.
    First, at least understand why everyone else likes him.
  100. -1
    29 June 2022 03: 02
    Quote: Antor
    One thing is becoming increasingly clear - someone doesn’t want us to win quickly and effectively (if we win at all, hoping to win everything back) b...!!!????? ) and does not allow the military to use all its capabilities to destroy everything that interferes with the conduct of the battle, including for aviation!!!!!
    This is not laziness, this is “doing nothing” when they don’t hit the decision-making centers in Kyiv and allow Zelensky and his gang to make one crazy decision after another to continue military operations..!!!! Moreover, if we give him such freedom of action, then, at the suggestion of his masters, he becomes more and more impudent, the latest shelling of gas towers.... isn’t this an example and is that the only thing!!!?????


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