Group of “moderates” and group of “wars”: Western messages for Ukraine

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The West is trying to comprehend the situation in Ukraine and let it go according to the most favorable scenario for itself. But the West is not homogeneous in this respect. It is one thing - a profitable scenario for the US and Britain, quite another - for the European Union. Moreover, the EU itself is not homogeneous either. Some countries (and these are primarily the Russophobic pro-American authorities in Poland and the Baltic states) are in favor of a tough confrontation with Moscow, others (the countries of the so-called “old Europe”) are in favor of a pragmatic line and the search for a compromise solution.

Moreover, many are not so much for the sake of peace in Ukraine, but because they themselves bear enormous costs.



As soon as the “moderate” Macron, Scholz and Draghi decided to arrive in Kyiv, who not only brought news of the possibility of granting Ukraine the status of a candidate for EU membership, but called on Zelensky to return to negotiations, Johnson immediately began to gather in the Ukrainian capital. Moreover, he wanted to visit the Kiev region once again, not at all because he “yearned” for the Dnieper steeps, but to clarify with Zelensky whether he, by chance, had agreed to the calls of the leaders of the EU countries.

Johnson's arrival made it clear that London does not accept any steps back from Zelensky. He must fight to the last Ukrainian, even if for this he has to “scoop out” all citizens capable of holding a machine gun (or holding on to it) up to the age of retirement.

So it turns out that for some, the option of negotiations is acceptable, for others - only a war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

Reflections on the foreign position are presented by Alexei Pushkov in his author's program on TVC:

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  1. +3
    20 June 2022 21: 44
    Everything is simple. The war group - those who are not threatened by rabies from the Outskirts, that is, Brekhania and FSA, plus Polonia, who wants to grab the Carpathians, and without dill.
    Peace Group - all those who are already disentangling the results of the FSA policy in its colony. Macron is already scooping out with a full spoon, and ahead of the elections in Germany and seem to be in Italy
    1. +1
      20 June 2022 21: 49
      A British woman with mattresses will always crap, their nature is so disgusting in its essence) they are now rapidly losing the reins of government in the world and sliding into a deep depression and want to again feint with their ears and save themselves by arranging a sickly fireman in well-fed Europe) but I hope that this time, they will not succeed in the scenario of the Second World War))
      1. 0
        20 June 2022 22: 16
        and slide into a deep depression
        A deep depression is still far away. There are problems, but it's more fun to live like this Yes .
    2. 0
      20 June 2022 23: 18
      Quote: Cowbra
      Everything is simple. The war group - those who are not threatened by rabies from the Outskirts, that is, Brekhania and FSA, plus Polonia, who wants to grab the Carpathians, and without dill.
      Peace Group - all those who are already disentangling the results of the FSA policy in its colony. Macron is already scooping out with a full spoon, and ahead of the elections in Germany and seem to be in Italy

      We have a strange article on the local Internet resource about the failed coup in Kyiv in the first days of the NWO. Maybe one of the aftors will enlighten. On YouTube, a former GRU colonel with two academies and a dissertation on special operations, a conviction for a failed assassination attempt on "Red" also casually commented on the successful start of the SVO, which for some reason stalled, and then was completely curtailed, because, in his opinion, on the bridgehead near Gostomel the main forces were not introduced. I don't understand civilians. The colonel burns with resentment for the doctor's arrest that interfered with the defense, or all the same, the operation was not thought out to the end and poorly prepared, and then, after the change of leadership, it went in the right direction.
  2. nnm
    -4
    20 June 2022 21: 48
    Sorry for the offtopic. I just just saw how Solovyov discusses those who ask questions about the exchange of Taira and is a little freaked out ("traitors" is the most neutral expression):

    1. +2
      20 June 2022 22: 03
      Shit, stupid lady.
      On the Dark Web, look at the sale of Western weapons from the Sumerians.
      There, a bearded man in slippers is barking with Javelins.
      Also FIM-92 Stinger on request. Alga, and if the Jews in Ben-Gurion?
      1. -1
        20 June 2022 22: 18
        Quote: agoran
        On the Dark Web, look at the sale of Western weapons from the Sumerians.
        There, a bearded man in slippers is barking with Javelins.

        Well, let him baryzhit, we are better off from this.
        1. +1
          20 June 2022 22: 27
          It is clear, from Zadornov, that minke whales are stupid. But certain services collect information on shared resources. So, in a hurry: 6 Stinger FIM-92 block the direct and reverse course of Kennedy Airport, then think for yourself.
          1. 0
            21 June 2022 07: 55
            Quote: agoran
            It is clear, from Zadornov, that minke whales are stupid.

            We want to think, according to Zadornov, that the Americans are stupid, but in life, meeting with them a lot, I realized that they are just playing a stupid game, and it is for us that we would think so. We always know the saying - "fools live easier" and minke whales know it too.
            1. +1
              21 June 2022 13: 08
              My colleague, an engineer, worked for several years in the USA, he was very surprised that at the meeting they discussed for several hours, roughly speaking, the size of the stud and nuts for the design.
              So the installation went according to plan.
              And when our office assembled the structure in the Leningrad region, the third-party installers did not agree on the size of the "studs", we had to strain our ingenuity.
      2. +2
        20 June 2022 22: 33
        There, a bearded man in slippers is barking with Javelins.
        Also FIM-92 Stinger on request

        In general, horror, of course ...
        It will take a little time and all this will fly into the liners ...
  3. 0
    20 June 2022 22: 29
    The position of the industrial countries of Europe can be characterized by the words "and you want it, and it hurts." There is a strong desire to spoil Russia and make a profit from it, but reality breaks off the Wishlist. The Germans, for example, are planning to start coal-fired power plants that the Greens have stopped. The problem is only in the coal, it also needs to be taken somewhere.
    1. 0
      20 June 2022 22: 46
      Not only in this.
      There is a problem with energy.
      In the old days, König had stove heating. As a schoolboy, I had the task of heating the stoves. The most shitty coal was from Poland, it burned badly. The best one was splenic, small fraction, shiny, once thrown up and you don’t have to wait an hour for the stove.
  4. 0
    20 June 2022 22: 45
    The US is trying to drag the EU into a war with Russia. The goal is to profit from military supplies. The small-shaven people have a huge historical experience. Raking the heat with the wrong hands is their way of life. And in continental Europe, the prospect of a lunar landscape causes fear. Poland and the Baltic sprats are also not averse to making war with the Russian Federation with proxy hands and weapons, but do not find understanding among rich European countries.
    Russia is ready for the development of any situation, therefore the military-industrial complex works around the clock, and does not conduct mobilization. hi
  5. 0
    20 June 2022 22: 52
    And the Italians appreciate them ...
  6. 0
    20 June 2022 23: 07
    In addition, minke whales, CIA, there are many:
    CIA USA
    US Department of State Bureau of Intelligence and Research...
    U.S. Department of the Treasury Office of Counterterrorism and Financial Intelligence
    US Department of Defense DIA...
    US Department of Energy...
    Department of Homeland Security...
    U.S. Department of Justice
    There's a lot out there, but keep your head up.
  7. -1
    21 June 2022 01: 50
    It's simple, Macron and others can twitch as much as they like, but European bureaucrats determine the policy, no responsibility for the real state of affairs, in the EU countries, who do not carry and enthusiastically work off the fat fat from the slugs.
  8. 0
    21 June 2022 15: 51
    In vain they say that Zelensky is a bad artist. Playing a fearless commandante, and for so long, is worth a lot. But even a good actor needs to get out of his role. Otherwise, trouble will happen with the psyche. Then write everything is gone.
  9. 0
    21 June 2022 18: 03
    No need to be clever about "Western promises". The West (generally) uses second-hand to kill Russia. These are both "moderate" and "immoderate" (in general).
  10. 0
    24 June 2022 18: 25
    It is necessary to conquer Carthage, it was and is. Perhaps, just to clarify, it is necessary to destroy all the Nazis and Nazis led by Mr. Z. am

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