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Own experience and borrowings. Aircraft carrier Fujian

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USS Fujian in dry dock, June 17, 2022


A few days ago, a solemn ceremony was held in China to launch the new aircraft carrier Fujian. This is the third ship of its class for the PLA Navy and the first to be designed from scratch and built by Chinese industry. In the next one and a half to two years, the ship will be completed and tested, after which it will enter the combat strength fleet. It is assumed that Fujian, which has a number of important differences and features, will most seriously affect the potential of surface forces and an aircraft carrier fleet.

ship on the water


The construction of the Fujian aircraft carrier, traditionally named after one of the provinces, was carried out by the Jiangnan Shipbuilding plant in Shanghai from the Chinese state-owned shipbuilding corporation CSSC. The ship was laid down at the end of 2015 or at the beginning of 2016. The installation of structures was carried out in an open dry dock - and did not go unnoticed by intelligence agencies of third countries. Foreign organizations regularly published new photographs of the aircraft carrier at various stages of construction.

To date, the main assembly work on the Fujian has been completed, and it was launched. The solemn ceremony was held on June 17 in the presence of representatives of the highest authorities of the PRC. The decorated ship was taken out of the filled dry dock to the salute volleys and placed against the outfitting wall for further work.

At the time of the withdrawal from the dock, the ship received all the necessary structures and some other equipment. On the finished hull, flight deck coverings were mounted and an island superstructure was installed. Installation of other units, including critical ones. In particular, launch catapults are being installed under the protection of light shelters. During the descent ceremony, banners with slogans were placed on these shelters.

According to known data, the following works require about one and a half to two years. Shanghai shipbuilders and suppliers will have to complete the assembly of structures and install the remaining equipment. Then the aircraft carrier will go on sea trials. The completion of all activities and the acceptance of the ship into the combat structure of the Navy are expected in 2024.


The ship is taken out of the dock

"Project 003"


The new Chinese aircraft carrier "Fujian" was built according to the new project "003". This project was developed by Chinese shipbuilders independently, by order and according to the tactical and technical requirements of the Navy. Unlike previous projects "001" and "002", foreign units and components were not directly used or borrowed. As a result, the new "Fujian" is noticeably different in all respects from the two existing Chinese aircraft carriers "Liaoning" and "Shandong", and also has certain advantages over them.

Etc. 003 provides for the construction of an aircraft carrier of traditional architecture. A large flight deck is placed on the body of standard contours; on the right side of it is an add-on. The total length of the ship reaches 320 m with a waterline length of approx. 300 m. The greatest width is 78 m. The displacement is estimated at 80-85 thousand tons. At the same time, foreign estimates of up to 95-100 thousand tons appeared at the early stages of construction.

According to known data, Fujian received a non-nuclear main power plant with power output to four propeller shafts. The type of installation has not yet been specified. It is planned to use a steam turbine power plant, which is a further development of the units of previous aircraft carriers, or a newly created turboelectric one. It is important that the power plant and associated units provide not only the propulsion and power of general ship systems, but also provide energy for special equipment.

The new Fujian, unlike previous Chinese aircraft carriers, received a large flat flight deck; on the left, a traditional corner deck is provided. In the bow of the ship and on the corner deck there are three starting positions for aircraft to take off. Landing will be carried out with the help of an arrester in the aft and middle parts of the deck.

For the first time in Chinese practice, an aircraft carrier is equipped with catapults - two are in the bow, one on the corner deck. It was previously reported that steam catapults would be made for the new ship, but electromagnetic ones were eventually developed. The technical features and characteristics of the catapults are still unknown. Moreover, even their appearance is kept secret.


As on other ships, a below-deck hangar is intended for storing aircraft. The movement of equipment between the flight and hangar decks will be carried out by two large-area aircraft lifts. They were located on the starboard side, in front of the superstructure and behind it.

Composition and strength aviation groups are still unknown. The dimensions and displacement of the ship in theory make it possible to have on board about 40-60 aircraft and helicopters for various purposes, as well as to ensure their operation and combat use. Apparently, the basis of the air group will be J-15 fighters and / or the carrier-based version of the FC-31. Helicopters of various types, a new AWACS aircraft and, possibly, a UAV are also expected.

"Fujian" should receive a developed complex of electronic equipment with a surveillance and guidance radar weapons, electronic warfare stations, etc. We should also expect the appearance of weapons. Aircraft carriers available to the Navy for self-defense received 11-barreled artillery mounts and short-range air defense systems. It is unlikely that the third ship in its class will receive a different weapon.

Expected Benefits


The new aircraft carrier differs markedly from previous ships for the PLA Navy. During its design and construction, new ideas and components were used, due to which it was planned to obtain a number of advantages. In addition, in the project "003" image issues were resolved.

Due to the length of 320 m and a displacement of 80-85 thousand tons, the new Fujian has already become the largest ship in stories fleet of the People's Republic of China. In addition, it turns out to be the largest and heaviest non-nuclear warship in the world, incl. among aircraft carriers. At the same time, the project was developed and implemented only by the forces of Chinese shipbuilding and without the help of third countries. All this shows the potential of the industry, and is also a reason for pride.


The achieved dimensions and displacement provide ample opportunities of a technical and other nature. First of all, it becomes possible to increase the size of the flight deck and the volume of the hangar. Thanks to this, it is possible to increase the aviation group quantitatively and qualitatively.

In addition, it was decided to abandon the take-off from the springboard and use electromagnetic catapults. This way of taking off removes the restrictions that are typical for a springboard, and provides new opportunities. It allows you to launch aircraft of different classes and types, both fighters and heavier models. According to various estimates, catapults will make it possible to strengthen the ship's group not only with promising fighters, but also with AWACS aircraft. There is also a fundamental possibility of creating and implementing heavy carrier-based UAVs for various purposes.

In general, the new project "003" is of particular importance for the fleet. First of all, it allows you to increase the number of aircraft carriers and the total number of aircraft on them. In addition, the range of carrier-based aircraft types can be expanded to provide new opportunities.

Borrowing and rethinking


Thus, China continues to develop its aircraft carrier direction and builds another ship. To solve this problem, he uses his own and others' experience. So, the first aircraft carrier "Liaoning" was actually a converted Soviet-built ship. The second, Shandong, was built independently, but based on the design of its predecessor. Then, using the experience of previous construction and our own solutions, we developed and implemented the next project "003".

It is easy to see that in the new project, Chinese shipbuilders have moved away from simply copying Soviet ideas. New concepts and solutions are now borrowed from US aircraft carriers - the actual leaders in this area. They "peeped" a new deck layout and means for launching aircraft. At the same time, foreign ideas are not just adopted, but revised taking into account their capabilities and needs, as well as to obtain the maximum effect.

This approach, combining one's own and other people's ideas, has proven itself well. With its help, China has already built two aircraft carriers and is completing the construction of a third. In addition, it is known about the development of the next project "004", which will again differ from its predecessors. It is likely that a tried and tested method will be used again in its creation - and this will give predictable positive results. However, for the time being, the main task of Chinese shipbuilders is to complete work on the Fujian and accumulate the necessary experience again.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 June 2022 04: 54
    0
    It is assumed that Fujian, which has a number of important differences and features, will most seriously affect the potential of surface forces and an aircraft carrier fleet.
    It would be strange if this were not so. request
    In addition, it turns out to be the largest and heaviest non-nuclear warship in the world,
    Well, if it was so important for you to get into the Guinness book, then you could choose a record and "cheaper" request
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 21 June 2022 05: 12
      +20
      For China, two centuries ago, at the very bottom of geopolitics, this is explosive growth.
      The rapid development of the Navy, space, industry and much more what ... it's definitely understandable why the US is worried ... Russia now has to take an example from the communist state how to develop its future ... there are no words.
      The number and quality of warships of the Chinese Navy is growing rapidly, and at such a pace, the Chinese will soon outdo the whole world ... especially now they have all the natural resources of Russia at their disposal.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 21 June 2022 05: 37
        +19
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        For China, two centuries ago, at the very bottom of geopolitics, this is explosive growth.
        The rapid development of the Navy, space, industry and much more ... it's definitely understandable why the United States is worried ... Russia now has to take an example from the communist state how to develop its future ...

        belay What is the problem? China took an example from Comrade Stalin. If you want the same frantic development, study the experience of your homeland, and do not look everyone in the mouth. fool After 30 years, we flew into space from a plow, and even after the Second World War, when half the country was in ruins .... China never dreamed of such a thing.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 21 June 2022 06: 33
          +2
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          study the experience of your homeland, and do not look everyone in the mouth.

          Don't talk nonsense...
          My acquaintance with the Motherland began 57 years ago...
          Studied from cover to cover Technique-Youth, Young Technician, Model Designer, Radio, Science and Life, Inventor and innovator, etc.
          Always rejoiced at the new in our country.
          Then the question arose ... how, with such a development of science and industry, our country could not meet the demand for civilian products for its citizens ...
          we were supposed to surpass damned capitalism in this field ... but it didn’t work out ... a bummer.
          The Chinese acted more wisely by adopting capitalist methods of managing while maintaining the power of the communists ... and here is the result.
          Our past is our bitter experience of trial and error. hi
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 21 June 2022 07: 46
            0
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            Don't talk nonsense...
            I agree, so why do you fence them?
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            My acquaintance with the Motherland began 57 years ago...
            Wow, a man who lived, but did not understand anything
            Studied from cover to cover Technique-Youth, Young Technician, Model Designer, Radio, Science and Life, Inventor and innovator, etc.
            Small gentleman's set (I didn't have only Radio),
            but there are no literary and artistic publications? Although we were not rich
            Then the question arose ... how, with such a development of science and industry, our country could not meet the demand for civilian products for its citizens ...
            we were supposed to surpass damned capitalism in this field ... but it didn’t work out ... a bummer.
            And I didn't have a question. request I've always had enough. And 2-room Khrushchev for 4 people, and one suit for 5 years. request Next, I skip the nonsense ....
            The Chinese acted more wisely by adopting capitalist methods of management while maintaining the power of the communists ...
            The Chinese not only chose "Chinese specifics", but introduced a planned economy and state programs.
            The Chinese economy, as befits a socialist economy, is planned. The state carefully studies the current situation, its prospects and trends, analyzes possible directions for using available resources, choosing the most effective ones in terms of synergistic effect for society as a whole (and not for the budget, and even more so for individual corporations)
            Sweet capitalism, don't you think? They, like under Stalin, welcome private initiative, but it is controlled and very tightly.
            Our past is our bitter experience of trial and error.
            Well, why is it so hopeless, we still have ahead. hi I could not resist. Khrushchev, having destroyed the Stalinist system with cooperative management, with private initiative, out of voluntarism, suddenly announced the main goal of Satisfying the needs of citizens. fool Destroying the car, demanded speed. fool
            how, with such a development of science and industry, our country could not ensure the demand for civilian products for its citizens ...
            In general, it’s better to look at Golushko’s Crystal of Growth. https://yandex.ru/video/preview/?text="Crystal%20growth"%20Glushko&path=yandex_search&parent-reqid=1655786643569958-12102311024264458152-sas2-0481-644-sas-l7-balancer-8080-BAL-2648&film_dtype= =13293345876025247867
            All questions will disappear. hi
            1. Cut Samshitov
              Cut Samshitov 21 June 2022 08: 12
              +14
              5 points dear. Our liberals lie with inspiration about "capitalist" China. In fact, the Chinese creatively reworked precisely the Stalinist model of the economy. Under Stalin, there was a huge number of artels, just private traders. It was the corn grower, beloved by Liberda, who completely destroyed or transferred private production to the sphere of crime, which was one of the many, of course, the reasons for the collapse of the USSR
              1. Civil
                Civil 21 June 2022 08: 37
                +14
                Communists of the People's Republic of China again conveyed fiery Stalinist greetings builders of developed capitalism in one neighboring northern country! This is another example of how some have slipped into the 30rd world in 3 years, and the communists have raised the country in 30 years to the leaders of the world, and in terms of living standards too. That is for one generation.
              2. stirrer
                stirrer 21 June 2022 19: 24
                0
                Under Stalin, there was a huge number of artels, just private traders.


                Come on, these stories, not a single head of an artel could become a billionaire under Stalin, just as a private farm could not form under Stalin. In China, the most important thing for capitalism is the exploitation of private labor and the uneven distribution of surplus value.
              3. Mitia68
                Mitia68 21 June 2022 21: 00
                +3
                In fact, the Chinese creatively reworked precisely the Stalinist model of the economy.


                Yes?
                And what, were there billionaires in the Stalinist economy?
                Were there gigantic PRIVATE enterprises wholly owned by billionaires during Stalin's time?
                Incidentally, China now leads the world in the number of billionaires.
                There are even more of them than in the USA.

                Private property in China was equalized with state property back in 2004, at the level of changes in the Constitution. And since 2007 in China, private property receives exactly the same legal protection as state property.
                1. ism_ek
                  ism_ek 22 June 2022 11: 34
                  -3
                  There were no billionaires under Stalin, but there was private property. There were artels and very rich by the way. During the war, 80% of F1 grenades, 50% of PPSh, 70% of clothing for military personnel were produced by private enterprises.
                  Khrushchev closed private property.
                  1. Mitia68
                    Mitia68 22 June 2022 14: 17
                    +2
                    but it was private property.


                    Do you really understand the difference between PRIVATE property and collective property?

                    There was no private property in the USSR. It wasn't at all.
                    There was a collective - collective farm, cooperative and artel.
                    Quote from the Stalinist Constitution of 1936:

                    Article 4. The economic basis of the USSR is
                    the socialist economic system and socialist ownership of the instruments and means of production, established as a result of the liquidation of the capitalist economic system, the abolition of private ownership of the instruments and means of production, and the abolition of the exploitation of man by man.
                    Article 5. Socialist property in the USSR has either
                    form of state ownership (national property), or a form of cooperative-collective farm property (property
                    individual collective farms, property of cooperative associations).
                    1. ism_ek
                      ism_ek 22 June 2022 14: 59
                      -3
                      . Article 9. Along with the socialist economic system,
                      which is the dominant form of economy in the USSR, is allowed
                      the law small private economy of individual peasants and handicraftsmen,
                      based on personal work and excluding the exploitation of someone else's
                      labor.
                      1. Mitia68
                        Mitia68 23 June 2022 00: 17
                        0
                        excluding the exploitation of the labor of others.


                        So the difference with China is obvious to you?
                        And in the Chinese private corporation AliBaba (its profit for the year is 143 billion!) 250 thousand employees work.
                        This corporation belongs to the Chinese Jack Ma (51 billion fortune) and Joseph Tsai (12 billion), and also to a large Japanese bank.
                        Its shares are also traded on the New York Stock Exchange.

                        Everything like Stalin?
                      2. ism_ek
                        ism_ek 23 June 2022 05: 25
                        0
                        Quote from Mitia68
                        So the difference with China is obvious to you?

                        And who wrote that there is no difference ....
                        Quote from Mitia68
                        This corporation belongs to the Chinese Jack Ma (net worth 51 billion) and Joseph Tsai (12 billion)

                        That's when they pass it on by inheritance ... Then it will be full-fledged private property
                      3. Mitia68
                        Mitia68 23 June 2022 17: 29
                        +1
                        That's when they pass it down...


                        Yes? Should we wait until they die, otherwise there is no way to know?

                        But when founders Ma and Tsai sold a blocking stake in Alibaba to a Japanese bank, what was that? Is it not the disposal of your private property?
                        And when Joseph Tsai buys an American basketball club for himself for 2 billion, this is not a disposal of his private property?
                        When Jack Ma buys his Zen superyacht, isn't that his private property?

                        And speaking of inheritance, China's richest woman, Yang Huiyan ($27bn), inherited her luxury real estate company from her father in 2007.
                    2. MauZerR
                      MauZerR 20 July 2022 15: 47
                      -1
                      Do not confuse private ownership of the means of production with private ownership of objects of personal use.
                      1. Mitia68
                        Mitia68 20 July 2022 18: 39
                        0
                        I don't confuse anything. Billionaires in the PRC own large industrial enterprises.
                        For example, Huawei Corporation was founded by Ren Zhengfei and he still controls it.
                        By the way, he is not only a billionaire, but also a member of the Communist Party!
            2. Non-fighter
              Non-fighter 21 June 2022 10: 40
              -4
              My acquaintance with the Motherland began a little later, but I remember how I signed up for the kitchen. I had to spend the whole day in the fresh air at the store. And it cost "little blood", previous times we were noted by a neighbor.
              1. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 21 June 2022 13: 57
                +1
                Quote: Not the fighter
                My acquaintance with the Motherland began a little later, but I remember how I signed up for the kitchen.
                For the kitchen - I sympathize, life was difficult, but this does not give you the right to talk about socialism, and its "charms" because you did not even smell it. And a young, homo sovieticus, 57 young years old, also "sit down, I'll open it myself" argues without concepts, but on the basis of his personal "bitter experience". To talk about the results and economics of socialism, we need not age, but labor to study it. Here is Alexander Golushko, young, 45 years old, but knowledgeable and understanding, clever. good And the late Brezhnev, or not by night, be the mentioned Hunchback ..... After 1953, socialism was systematically exterminated in our country. Leaving the CPSU with the nomenklatura, rotten ideology and soldering. request On the eve of his departure, Stalin lamented that we needed a theory, without it we would die, die, die. And so it happened. recourseWhat does socialism have to do with it? Especially its economy. The fish rotted from the head.
          2. Romanovski
            Romanovski 21 June 2022 13: 39
            0
            I completely agree..
            Remember N. Andreeva's article in Pravda under the heading "I can't compromise my principles...". Well, they didn’t give up, but they lost a great power ...
          3. Essex62
            Essex62 28 June 2022 20: 17
            -1
            And why doesn't it occur to you? Yes, just the level of exploitation, under the leadership of the "communist party", is beyond. The slaves are Chinese workers.
            Capitalism and communist principles and norms are incompatible. Basically. In China, terry capitalism, from the 20th and maybe from the 19th century.
            There is nothing from Stalin's socialism.
        2. Romanovski
          Romanovski 21 June 2022 13: 22
          +5
          Not entirely true .. The Chinese "Stalin" was Mao, but under him the economy was limping (to put it mildly ...). Only under Deng Xiao Ping did the reforms give rise to an economic miracle. Unlike China, unfortunately, the Den did not appear in the USSR, and Gorby finally finished off the USSR and now for some reason lives in Germany ....
          1. Terran ghost
            Terran ghost 21 June 2022 14: 01
            +5
            Mao, but under him the economy was limping (to put it mildly ...)

            It would be nice to just limp. But, alas, "comrade Mao" also conducted voluntaristic "experiments", some of which had consequences that were monstrous in terms of the scale of human lives.
            in the USSR, unfortunately, its Den did not appear

            It just seems to me that the current individuals who profess the so-called. "sofa-leavened neo-Stalinism" "Soviet Deng Xiaoping" oh, how I didn't like it.
            Because the goal of Deng Xiaoping's reforms was not megalomaniacal geopolitical ambitions, but ... the creation of a consumer society with an average level of prosperity in China. This is by the way against the background of the fact that at the beginning of the 1980s the People's Republic of China had a level of poverty almost at the level of the countries of the equatorial African region.
            The second important element of Deng Xiaoping's reforms is a significant reduction in military spending by the PLA (this is the Chinese army, if anything), while the military factories that became redundant were repurposed or even closed. At the same time, the qualified labor force and engineering and technical personnel necessary for building a new industry were taken from the latter.
            The third point is cooperation with the countries of Western Europe and North America. This required, among other things, China's abandonment of the notorious "geopolitical-military" ambitions. Went to China in the end only for the benefit.
            Fourth, Deng Xiaoping's liberalization of orders and laws in China. Yes Yes exactly. And yes, the truth about the events on Tiananmen Square in 1989 is that the government of the People's Republic of China switched to violent suppression of speeches ONLY after Molotov cocktails were thrown from the side of the protesters at the troops and police. Before that, they were negotiating with them. Of course, there was no talk of any mass campaigns of repression at all.
            1. Romanovski
              Romanovski 21 June 2022 15: 34
              -1
              ""... That's just something it seems to me that the current individuals, professing the so-called. "sofa-leavened neo-Stalinism" "Soviet Deng Xiaoping" oh, how I didn't like it ... "".
              And it seems right, since the internal and external enemies of RUSSIA absolutely do not need Russia to break ahead under the leadership of its Den ... They just lacked this.
        3. stirrer
          stirrer 21 June 2022 19: 29
          +2
          Well, thanks to the Americans, they tore us away from the plow and built plants and factories for us, industrialized us, but even with such a boost, the communists managed to lose everything. In Germany, the whole country was in ruins and nothing was restored faster. Because socialism is now not a viable system and generally loses to capitalism in a market economy. And there was a market even in the USSR, where there is money, there will always be a market.
      2. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 21 June 2022 08: 32
        +3
        It remains only to curse their narrow-minded rulers.
      3. stirrer
        stirrer 21 June 2022 19: 31
        +5
        Well, at least read what reforms were made in China, there is only a name from the communist. And "Stalinist" China was under Mao.
      4. DienBienPhu
        DienBienPhu 21 June 2022 20: 00
        -2
        Chinese civilization has always been prosperous, it may be in crisis and weakening, but it will always come back. It was in the blood of the Chinese who knew how to trade, who focused on education, who worked hard. China, Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong... everything is developed.
  2. svp67
    svp67 21 June 2022 05: 00
    +9
    Yes, the Chinese comrades are methodically, step by step, moving towards the creation of the most powerful fleet in the world.
    1. arkadiyssk
      arkadiyssk 22 June 2022 08: 58
      +4
      Because China is acting wisely in the construction of the fleet - it first became the leader in world shipbuilding. And then with such production facilities, such a crowd of qualified personnel, subcontractors and metallurgists, it is very easy to start riveting warships like a cake. And we are still furiously convincing everyone that supposedly not civil industry, but vice versa - the defense industry is able to move the economy forward. All the people are being fooled. Although the proof is that they build a corvette in 2 months, and we build it every 5-10 years.
  3. riwas
    riwas 21 June 2022 05: 29
    +4
    A rare factory modification of the T-62 was spotted in the ranks of the armed forces of the LDNR

    Nine years on the first ship. Subsequent ones will be built on the knurled faster. Well, maybe 6-7 years. It will take more than 50 years to catch up with the United States in terms of aircraft carriers, with the same number of them.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 21 June 2022 05: 38
      +4
      Quote: riwas
      It will take more than 50 years to catch up with the United States in terms of aircraft carriers, with the same number of them.

      They will catch up and overtake ... not necessarily on aircraft carriers.
      And what does the T-62 have to do with it? belay
      1. faiver
        faiver 21 June 2022 05: 49
        +8
        And what does the T-62 have to do with it?
        - to show our inferiority ....
        1. ramzay21
          ramzay21 21 June 2022 08: 39
          +2
          - to show our inferiority

          Not our handicap, but the handicap of our leader
    2. mmaxx
      mmaxx 21 June 2022 05: 50
      0
      They don't have to chase. With all the desire, the Americans will send 4, well, a maximum of 5 aircraft carriers to one place at the same time. But this is to foreign shores.
      One thing, the Chinese are brave, brave, but the nation is not military.
      1. Romanovski
        Romanovski 21 June 2022 13: 49
        0
        You are deeply mistaken ... China is a much braver and wiser nation than we think ...
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 21 June 2022 20: 22
          -3
          I write that the Chinese are brave. But still not warriors. Well, they don't have successful combat experience. Everything seems to be there, but there is no school.
    3. Non-fighter
      Non-fighter 21 June 2022 10: 41
      +1
      The Chinese do not need to have aircraft carrier groups around the world, they only need to close the Pacific Ocean up to Australia and Hawaii, inclusive, and that's it. Do not forget the base aircraft from the disputed islands such as the Spratly. The experience of Guadalcanal, when the Japanese actually gave the finished airfield to the Americans and because of this they lost the war, is indicative.
      Don't be in a hurry to get to the Atlantic.
      1. Romanovski
        Romanovski 21 June 2022 13: 45
        +1
        The United States can have fleets all over the world's oceans, but China does not need it ??? Did they learn from China itself - what do they think about it?
    4. Romanovski
      Romanovski 21 June 2022 13: 29
      -4
      The Chinese no longer need to catch up with the United States in quantity, but they will take it in quality ... In 50 years, aircraft carriers are unlikely to be needed by the fleets of the powers, since hypersonic missiles with a speed of under Mach 20 will easily turn an aircraft carrier into a tasty target ...
      1. stirrer
        stirrer 22 June 2022 14: 27
        0
        What will be in 50 years is generally difficult to guess, take any date in history, start walking 50 years to the present time and see how everything changed unpredictably.
  4. Monar
    Monar 21 June 2022 06: 53
    0
    Springboard and catapult on aircraft carriers have their advantages and disadvantages. But here's something nowhere you can see their combination.
    Or is something unknown to me "sofa expert"?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 21 June 2022 12: 39
      +4
      Quote: Monar
      Springboard and catapult on aircraft carriers have their advantages and disadvantages. But here's something nowhere you can see their combination.

      It’s just that ours didn’t have time to build 11437. smile
      1. vadimtt
        vadimtt 21 June 2022 15: 17
        -1
        On the sketch, probably because of the harmfulness of the draftsmen, there are also carrier-based AWACS aircraft laughing
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 21 June 2022 17: 04
          +5
          Quote: vadimtt
          On the sketch, probably because of the harmfulness of the draftsmen, there are also carrier-based AWACS aircraft laughing

          And this is the Yak-44 - them too did not make it. smile
          By that time, the admirals realized that AB without an AWACS aircraft was money down the drain. And also that the MA of the Navy would generally be nice to get its own AWACS.
        2. arkadiyssk
          arkadiyssk 22 June 2022 09: 02
          0
          So for the sake of AWACS, catupults were planned. The fighters were great and we took off from the springboard.
          1. vadimtt
            vadimtt 22 June 2022 09: 06
            -3
            And what prevents you from making the fuselage stronger and the engines stronger (well, or at least solid-fuel boosters)? And to put the radar with a synthetic aperture, side-view, relatively light and mechanically strong, without moving parts? Then the springboard, in theory, is not terrible.
      2. Monar
        Monar 21 June 2022 16: 01
        0
        Judging by the illustration, the springboard is separate, the catapult is separate. And I meant the springboard as a continuation of the catapult.
    2. geniy
      geniy 21 June 2022 15: 38
      -2
      please tell me - what are the disadvantages of the springboard? I don't know...
      1. dauria
        dauria 21 June 2022 16: 50
        0
        What are the disadvantages of a trampoline?

        Thrust-to-weight ratio is needed, as on the Su-27, which is lightweight for the show. Therefore, take-off either along the central short with half load, or along the side with
        full, but overclocking right from the stern. And no attack aircraft and AWACS (with the usual land thrust-to-weight ratio) will take off. The release speed of aircraft is less compared to a catapult. The only plus is that it's cheaper and the ship is lighter.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 June 2022 18: 25
          +3
          Quote: dauria
          The release speed of aircraft is less compared to a catapult

          This, by the way, is far from being true. Another question is that one Kuznetsov springboard, of course, will not allow you to compare in speed with four Nimitz catapults ....
        2. geniy
          geniy 22 June 2022 08: 41
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          Thrust-to-weight ratio is needed, as on the Su-27, which is lightweight for the show. Therefore, take-off either along the central short ones with half load,

          And this was probably immediately known at the beginning of the design of ships of this type and at the NITKA test site?
          1. dauria
            dauria 22 June 2022 21: 21
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            And this was probably immediately known at the beginning of the design of ships of this type and at the NITKA test site?

            Yes, everything was immediately known and understandable. Our shipbuilders and industry did not master the catapult - that's the whole reason for the appearance of the springboard.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 21 June 2022 17: 29
        +4
        Quote: geniy
        please tell me - what are the disadvantages of the springboard? I don't know...

        Requirements for the thrust-weight ratio of the machine and the need for the pilot to constantly monitor the takeoff trajectory, moreover, under overload conditions. According to the results of American tests of the Tomcat springboard takeoff, the overload during takeoff from a springboard with an elevation angle of 9 degrees reached 5,2 g.
        1. Monar
          Monar 21 June 2022 18: 56
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          It was 14 degrees on Nitka. So let the catapult drag it to separation.
          But, of course, the expediency of such a design for scientists and engineers to consider.
  5. Electrical
    Electrical 21 June 2022 07: 58
    +6
    Well, what do you say, well done! Unlike some builders of palaces and yachts!
    1. Yurets
      Yurets 21 June 2022 08: 49
      +5
      Our lovers of yachts and palaces in China would simply be shot, and rightly so. Their money is not taken out of the country, on the contrary, China is open to external injections of both money and technology. Money has been poured into them for decades, using cheap labor.
      The private sector developed by leaps and bounds, received real support from the state. Here is the result.
  6. ramzay21
    ramzay21 21 June 2022 08: 38
    -4
    Napoleon was right. A herd of lions under the control of a ram is always stronger than a herd of rams under the control of a lion.
    1. kristAl
      kristAl 21 June 2022 11: 44
      -4
      Napoleon was right. A herd of lions under the control of a ram is always stronger than a herd of rams under the control of a lion.

      It is you, dear friend, who called all the people of the Russian Federation sheep, and the guarantor a lion? )
      1. ramzay21
        ramzay21 21 June 2022 19: 29
        -1
        No dear friend, the people of the Russian Federation are lions ...
        1. kristAl
          kristAl 22 June 2022 09: 18
          -1
          No dear friend, the people of the Russian Federation are lions ...

          And what then are the people of China sheep?
    2. frog
      frog 22 June 2022 16: 40
      +2
      It seems like Bonya (as well as Macedonian, Talleyrand, Washington, Cicero and Allah knows who else)) said just the opposite ....
  7. novel66
    novel66 21 June 2022 09: 44
    +3
    new AWACS aircraft

    and this is interesting
  8. kakvastam
    kakvastam 21 June 2022 11: 29
    +3
    Just as an organization is a projection of the leader's personality, so a country depends on the quality of the ruling class.
    The Chinese leadership is quite consistent, much less prone to betrayal than the leadership of some other countries, hence the result.
    1. Chief Officer Lom
      Chief Officer Lom 21 June 2022 18: 42
      0
      Here I would add that for natural reasons of a racial nature, the Chinese corrupt officials have much less illusions about the fact that they can live with what was stolen from their people in the west as equals among the arrogant, and despite their correct words, clearly a Nazi European American elite. Ours then thought that since the face is white, they will be accepted as equals? Uneducated fools, the British sold the Irish on the plantation as slaves, and kept the Boers in concentration camps, they spit on the rights of the newly-minted "Europeans". And the fact that they were not undressed right at the border, like Ostap on the Romanian border in the Golden Calf, was so as not to frighten away the golden rams ahead of time, which were streaming towards them.
  9. savoj
    savoj 21 June 2022 13: 30
    0
    This is probably a mistake that it is not a nuclear installation .... besides, the catapult is electric. Maybe not enough power. Apparently a tanker with diesel fuel will always be present.
  10. Eug
    Eug 21 June 2022 17: 48
    +1
    Electromagnetic catapults are a definite step forward, implying a different level of power generation. I think that the ship will be powered by turbines (turbines - generators - electric motors). Purposefulness and pace of development can only be envied...
  11. Alex92
    Alex92 21 June 2022 18: 20
    0
    The heaviest non-atomic A-ts, apparently ... Worthy
  12. acetophenone
    acetophenone 21 June 2022 18: 45
    +2
    - What will we, what will we ... we will envy! (With)
  13. DienBienPhu
    DienBienPhu 21 June 2022 20: 05
    +2
    China has tested a hypersonic anti-ship missile, does the US have a similar missile? China has surpassed in many areas :))
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  15. AVESSALOM
    AVESSALOM 11 August 2022 11: 25
    -1
    Cool. Relying on the despised and rejected communist ideology, China is tearing forward without stopping, and Russia, which presented it (ideology), is lagging behind ...