Unusual pistols Karel Krnk

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Pistol Karel Krnk model 1895. Despite the design, which is unusual for the modern eye, it was a fully functional pistol, distinguished by good combat characteristics and ... a capacious 10-round magazine!
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- How did you kill him? Volodya asked.
He suddenly felt like
as if Tsvetkov had already graduated from that school,
where it was just placed. - In battle?
Cherry, "Cupid's bow", heavily carved lips
Tsvetkov trembled, but, as if having thought better of smiling,
he frowned and said slowly:
- A child's cry occurred in our medical battalion.
They barely turned around, and I lay down to sleep in a dugout -
landing. And I sleep soundly, I must report to you.
I woke up - I hear a big gentleman's set:
knives, bastards, they cut our doctors,
- then it turned out.
I had a Korovin pistol then.
And near the trestle bed - a window.
I see shaped officer boots.
Ober-lieutenant is standing, admiring.
I've been aiming for a long time, you can't miss here.
To the best of my knowledge of anatomy,
so, you know, the atlas turned over before my eyes.
Well shot, elegant!

Yuri German "My dear man",

stories about weapons. Last time we remembered the very first automatic pistol of two titled Austrian gunsmiths. But God, apparently, was so pleased that it was in the Austro-Hungarian monarchy that more pistols were designed at the end of the XNUMXth century than even in such countries as, for example, England or the USA. And although at first glance they were rather unsightly in appearance, and they did not differ in high combat characteristics, nevertheless they were the first and in their own way paved the way to the future for everyone else. Well, they were created by a variety of people, both casual and hereditary gunsmiths. And today we will tell about one such designer and his pistol.

Unusual pistols Karel Krnk

Karel Krnka

And it so happened that in 1858, in the family of the Bohemian gunsmith Sylvester Krnk, a famous inventor and creator of a number of rifles, one of which, by the way, was adopted by the Russian Imperial Army, son Karel (1858-1926) was born. He was born in the city of Oradea in the Austrian Empire (today it is part of Romania), and in his younger years he served in the Austro-Hungarian army as a technician, participating in the development and improvement of existing service rifles.



After leaving the army, he worked mainly in Prague, then went to the UK, where he briefly served with the Gatling Arms & Ammunition Company in Birmingham. In 1890 he returned to Prague, where he became a patent attorney, began designing his own pistols, and in 1898 he was hired by the industrialist Georg Roth as manager of his cartridge factory. Working with Roth, he developed several self-loading pistols, the most successful of which was the Roth Steyr M1907.

Roth died in 1909, and Krnka went to work at the Hirtenberger cartridge factory in Austria. In 1922 he returned to the newly independent Czechoslovakia and became an adviser at the Czech Zbrojovka plant, where he worked until his death in 1926. But even though he followed in the footsteps of his father, he was interested not in rifles, but in pistols, and the most modern ones at that time - automatic ones.


A unique pistol with a revolving magazine and manual drive. Designed by Karel Krnka in 1888. Diagram of the device from US Patent 459874, September 22, 1891

And as a result, he gained considerable fame among their creators and even, moreover, stood on a par with those whose samples were not only created and tested, but were also put into service, and in droves. Karel received his very first patent for a magazine-fed pistol in 1888. Moreover, it was not automatic, but was controlled by a lever with a ring at the end, into the slot of which the trigger was included. His shutter was longitudinally sliding, but the power was supplied from a cylindrical clip for six rounds, located well, completely along the revolver!


This pistol could be loaded either individually, by inserting cartridges directly into the magazine and chamber, or with the help of a rotating magazine for 6-8 rounds. The cartridge case was automatically ejected. The shutter was driven back and forth by the trigger lever. For locking, he had lugs and in a combat position turned 45 degrees. The revolver magazine used a tin leaf clip to hold the cartridges (perhaps the weakest point of the design)

This pistol was released after the inventor returned from Birmingham to Prague (the Czech Republic was then part of Austria-Hungary), which is why it is most often called the Model 1892. Subsequently, Krnka abandoned further development and improvement of this basic design and concentrated all his efforts on automatic pistols.


The device of the shutter and the store of the revolving pistol Krnk

Already in 1895, he patented the design of a pistol, in which two of his main ideas were embodied, which later became characteristic of all the pistols he invented. First of all, it was a permanent store, located in the handle, and equipped with cartridges from a clip, which was inserted from above into the open bolt.

However, in this case it was not so much his idea as the requirement for a pistol of the then military. It was believed that the interchangeable shops of the shooter would ... lose that he was more accustomed to filling the magazine from the clip, like a rifle, rather than inserting them into the handle from below. “The magazine can fall out of the handle at the most inopportune moment!” - many people said at that time and ... Karel, of course, could not help but listen to what the military said, for whom he, in fact, worked.


Pistol M1895. View from the left. Army Museum in Stockholm

The second feature of his pistols was a movable barrel, and on the pistol model of 1895, automatic operation due to the long stroke of the barrel is a rather rare example of the use of this type of automation in short-barreled weapons.


Pistol M1895. Right view. Pay attention to the corrugation at the end of the barrel. Moreover, in fact, it was not made at all on the barrel, but on a locking screw-on clutch, which locks the return spring put on the barrel itself. Army Museum in Stockholm

After the shot, the barrel and bolt, being linked to each other, moved back together all the way so that they even passed over the magazine receiver. Only when it reached the end, the bolt turned around its axis, disengaged from the barrel and remained in place for some time, while the barrel went forward, pushed by the spring, and returned to its previous position. When the barrel stopped, the bolt began to move forward. At the same time, he sent the cartridge into the chamber, and then again turned in the opposite direction and firmly engaged with the barrel. Well, the cartridge primer was broken by a drummer, on which an open trigger hit.

Interestingly, at a time when automatic pistol magazines were filled with 5, 6, 7 and 8 rounds and it was believed that this was quite enough, at Karel his handle magazine was filled with ten rounds at once, and not just from a clip, but from a clip equipped for convenience with a special pusher.

This is how the Krnk model 1895 pistol first appeared, then the improved model M1899 and M1904. True, they were all experienced and were not in service with any army. All of them are characterized not so much by practicality as by the originality of the design ideas embedded in them. And although they were produced and sold on the market, the number of samples produced was so small that today they are practically not found, they are very rare and very interesting for collectors.

TTX pistol Krnka M1895
Caliber: 8x21 mm "Rot-Krnka"
Overall length: 265 mm
Barrel length: 170 mm
Weight: 0,980 kg
Shop: 10 ammo.


In 1899, the first sample of the Krnka pistol was proposed with a short stroke of the barrel with locking using its rotation.

The design of the Krnk M1899 pistol was similar to Browning's 1897 patent, in which a return spring was worn on the barrel. But the USM on it was not a striker, but a trigger. The barrel was also movable, the locking system was rigid. That is, the shot occurred when the barrel and bolt were engaged with each other. The store of the previous capacity of 10 rounds was loaded from above from the clip.


This is how it should have been put into action. No fuses for you. He pulled back the cylindrical shutter, let go ... and shoot! The trigger was brought by pressing the trigger. That's why it's made so big. That is, the design is quite workable. But outwardly, this gun, of course, looked somewhat ugly.
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In 1904, Krnka assembled this sample, after which it was this model that became the prototype of the famous Rot-Steyr M1907 pistol. First of all, the designer removed the return spring under the barrel.


Pistol "Rot-Krnka" M1901 Scheme from the patent

The first really big success came to Karel Krnka only after he began to work closely with Georg Roth and released the Repetierpistole M7 (“Roth-Steyr” M1907) pistol, which entered service with the Austro-Hungarian army. This circumstance turned out to be the best advertisement for this pistol. Although, in fact, this did not affect the fate of the designer himself so much.

The fact is that all the most successful Krnk pistols were produced under false names, for example, Rot-Sauer, Rot-Steyr, Steyr, which is why the role of Krnk himself in their development was underestimated for quite some time.
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  1. +8
    26 June 2022 05: 11
    Good morning friends! smile

    Sincere gratitude to Vyacheslav for an interesting and beautifully presented topic. good

    Sylvester Krnk - a famous inventor and creator of a number of rifles, one of which, by the way, was adopted by the Russian Imperial Army,

    Yes, the surname, of course, is still the same - you will break your tongue, our soldiers simply called this rifle "Krynka", yet it is somehow dearer and closer. smile

    Years of operation 1867-1880s
    Adopted 1869
    Armed with the Russian Empire
    Wars and conflicts Russian-Turkish war (1877-1878)
    History of production
    Designer Krnka, Sylvester
    Designed 1867
    TOZ manufacturer
    Features
    Weight, kg 4,9/4,5 (with/without bayonet)
    Length, mm 1800/1300 (with/without bayonet)
    Caliber, mm 15,24 (6 lines)
    Principles of operation
    Rate of fire
    rounds/min ~9
    1. +11
      26 June 2022 05: 22
      The first really big success came to Karel Krnka only after he began to work closely with Georg Roth and released the Repetierpistole M7 pistol (“Roth-Steyr” M1907),





      Service history
      Adopted 1909
      In service
      Austria
      Austria-Hungary
      Hungary
      Italy
      Kingdom of Yugoslavia
      Poland
      Wars and conflicts World War I
      The Second World War
      History of production
      Designer Georg Roth and Karel Krnka
      Designed 1900
      Producer Österreichische Waffenfabriksgesellschaft, Fegyvergyar
      Years of production 1907-1914
      In total, about 100 thousand copies were produced.
      Features
      Weight, kg 0,99
      Length, mm 233
      Barrel length, mm 128
      8×19mm Roth cartridge
      The principles of operation of semi-automatic
      starting speed
      bullets, m/s 332
      Sighting range, m 75
      Maximum
      range, m 1400
      Type of ammunition magazine for 10 rounds
      Mechanical sight
    2. +9
      26 June 2022 07: 27
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Good morning

      Good
      How can one not recall another gunsmith from the same region?
      His name is Rudolf Frommer.
      King Franz Joseph raised him to the Hungarian nobility with the prefix to the surname "fegyverneki": "squire".
      For services in the field of creating weapons for the Austro-Hungarian army.

      Frommer Model 1901 also had a permanent magazine


      More famous were Frommer Stop and Frommer 37M (pictured below).
      Modification 37M under the 7,65-mm Browning cartridge was in service with the Luftwaffe pilots.
      1. +9
        26 June 2022 08: 34
        Good morning, Michael!
        I had a chance to shoot the Frommer "Baby" somehow, but, in comparison, I liked the "Browning" of 1906 more, but anyway, both of these "vest" toys are suitable only for young ladies. smile
        1. +6
          26 June 2022 09: 06
          Quote: Sea Cat
          I had a chance to shoot from Frommer "Baby" somehow,

          Wow!
          I just described it...
          A few years ago, I published a series of articles about most of Frommer's pistols.
          I did not master the experimental self-loading rifle.
          Little information, not enough for the article
          1. +9
            26 June 2022 09: 17
            I did not master the experimental self-loading rifle.
            Little information, not enough for the article

            It’s a pity, I don’t know anything about this rifle at all, it would be interesting.

            And from the "Baby" he shot at the All-Russian Research Institute of Forensic Science, from their collection a machine, and there are plenty of cartridges and all of Soviet production. It turned out funny there, the men say that the gun does not work, I sat down and scattered it and immediately, even though I held it in my hands for the first time, I realized that during the last assembly they put the trigger "back to front". I collected it and, to celebrate, everyone went to the shooting range, and at the same time they took the Browning with them, and compared it there. smile
            1. +2
              26 June 2022 16: 35
              Quote: Sea Cat
              I don't know anything about this rifle.

              I wrote to you in private
              1. +2
                26 June 2022 19: 58
                Thank you Michael Let's see. smile
      2. +3
        26 June 2022 22: 06
        Modification 37M under the 7,65-mm Browning cartridge was in service with the Luftwaffe pilots.

        In Vitebsk in May, at a "flea market" near the City Hall (Suvorov Street), an uncle was selling (as he claimed) a holster to the Luftwaffe. Red skin. Possibly this pistol. The holster was small. Asked for astronomical money, I refused...
        in the family of the Bohemian gunsmith Sylvester Krnk, a famous inventor and creator of a number of rifles, one of which, by the way, was adopted by the Russian Imperial Army

        One of the main rifles of the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-78. Domestic rifles model 1856 were converted into it. Six lines, double action - it was necessary to insert a metal cartridge and cock the trigger.



        The fleet then received Baranov's rifle in small quantities. Also reworked 6-line. The shutter device is different, the trigger also had to be cocked separately. Well, Baranov during the war was the commander of the very steamer "Vesta", on which "famous original" - Zinovy ​​​​Rozhdestvensky - then he will write a libel ...

  2. +6
    26 June 2022 11: 13
    Krnka, (Krnka) model 07, was a worthy weapon, reliable. Your discussion is an expert discussion and the articles are well read. I had this pistol. True, the Mauser 08 was better, but this is a Czech pistol, a German Mauser. Otherwise, I am glad to confirm that the article was also interested, thanks. am
  3. +2
    26 June 2022 15: 56
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, Hello!

    Despite the fact that I had a chance to hold in my hands, and sometimes shoot even from the most eccentric samples - both rare and modern non-serial (although I won’t undertake to correctly write their type and model, because this happened, as a rule, in the mode “ coffee break") with the history of the "shooter" I know very superficially.
    However, the belief has long been formed that at some point, a “two-stroke” revolver must have been born, in which the effort to turn the drum and cock the hammer is separated from the effort of the descent. And (voila!) So he was found:
    A unique pistol with a revolving magazine and manual drive.
    (from the caption to the illustration)

    Thank you for another "enlightenment and enlightenment"!

    Best regards,
    hi
  4. +2
    26 June 2022 16: 08
    For some reason this description
    After the shot, the barrel and bolt, being linked to each other, moved back together all the way so that they even passed over the magazine receiver. Only when it reached the end, the bolt turned around its axis, disengaged from the barrel and remained in place for some time, while the barrel went forward, pushed by the spring, and returned to its previous position. When the barrel stopped, the bolt began to move forward. At the same time, he sent the cartridge into the chamber, and then again turned in the opposite direction and firmly engaged with the barrel.

    evoked a strange association:

    Despite the fact that in the GSh-18 everything happens the other way around: it is not the bolt that turns, but the barrel! (https://topwar.ru/196009-pistolet-gsh-18-vpechatlenija-ot-pervogo-znakomstva.html)
    hi
  5. +2
    26 June 2022 21: 40
    I wonder how the gun sat in his hand? Has anyone ever shot him? Judging by the photo, it was convenient to shoot from it with gloves. But it seems that the barrel from the base of the thumb, when clasping the handles when shooting, will be high. Interestingly, the pistol did not "kick" when fired? Cartridge, approximately, as for PMM ...
  6. 0
    5 August 2022 13: 34
    It was 1965, and in Zhilina, where my school was located, an order came to load all these pistols into the car, but it was not clear where they were being taken. Probably, this is how interesting pistols disappear, which only we have in the museum. True, 2 pieces remained in the school museum of the school. am

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