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What were Soviet women like?

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What were Soviet women like?

For most modern young people, Soviet women are their mothers and grandmothers. And even great-grandmother. And, at times, looking at these older women, always stuck with recounting the little things at the cash register in the store, it is not easy to imagine what they once were. And all the more difficult to even imagine what an extraordinary fate was prepared for many of them. How did they manage to simultaneously create the greatest power of the world, win the most cruel war and raise us with you?

Marriages

Usually "Brief Notes ..." I start with the past, with stories. Today I want to start with the present. At present, almost 98 thousand of people of working age live in the urban district of Pervouralsk. Men and women of working age in Pervouralsk also almost equally. However, married men are significantly smaller than married women. How this difference turned out is well known: a significant part of men who are in the so-called “civil marriage” consider themselves single.

Denote cohabitation "civil marriage" began relatively recently. In Soviet times, civil marriage was called marriage, recorded in the civil status acts of the registry office (hence the name went ...). In essence, there were only two types of marriage in the USSR: civil and ecclesiastical ...
In order not to be completely confused during the last census in Russia, two types of marriages were introduced: “civil” and “official”.

Of course, you can negatively relate to the political activities of the former governor of the Sverdlovsk region Eduard Rossel, but speaking out about the “civil marriage”, he was not liberal, explaining to his meanness men who want to live with a woman and not undertake obligations.
Often, in this connection, it is said that in Russia, traditionally “there are nine guys for ten girls”. But this is not true. At a young age (at least in the Sverdlovsk region) there are more men than women by approximately 10 - 15%. Just women on average live longer and at the expense of them statistics show the predominance of women in general.


In the USSR, the attitude towards marriage was quite different. Cohabitation without marriage was not a frequent occurrence. Even immediately after the Great Patriotic War, when the marriage age men really felt an extreme shortage, the number of registered marriages sharply jumped. According to demographers, “the population was focused on the fact that unofficial marriage is an anomaly and it has no future.”
Dry newspaper formulations are difficult to convey. But for widows whose husbands died at the front in the post-war years, it was indeed painfully difficult to create a new family. For a few more years they waited for her husband to go to the front - “what if he returns!”

Most of the post-war girls who risked remaining old maids because of a shortage of men often didn’t even think that they could not marry for love.
The Soviet state also related to marriage quite differently than the current one. It imposed a tax on bachelors who want to live in a “civil marriage” and feel like idle.
And families, on the contrary, helped. It's not even about large families. The state welcomed each new marriage and paid money to buy wedding rings. Young families had benefits and to receive free housing.
Why are there marriages ...
Even more revealing may be the attitude towards children.


Children

Soviet women, not only to marriage, but also to children were treated very differently than the current ones. Current women "want to live for themselves," so children sometimes see them as a burden, as an irrational waste of money. Here is just one, but a good example. In the 1942 year, along with the evacuees, a little more than 57 thousand people lived in Pervouralsk. We lived in barracks, with the shares in private houses and even in dugouts. Almost everything was sold only on cards. The husbands of a significant part of the women were at the front ...
Do you know how many children were adopted in 1942 in Pervouralsk?
21 man!
In 2011, about 150 thousands of people lived in Pervouralsk. Units lived in barracks, no one lived in mud huts, many women regularly changed their husbands without even registering in marriage. According to rough data, there were 65 thousands of private cars in the city.
Do you know how many children were adopted in 2011?
20 man!
The figure is almost the same as in 1942.
But do not rush to rejoice!
Citizens of Russia from these 20 children adopted only 12.

The list of mothers with many children was also not like the current one. Here are just some of the first-graders - who gave birth to babies in 1940 alone:

Makhnutina A.S. - 9 th child.
Shakirkhanova - 8 th child.
Bazhukova M.E. - 8 th child.
Grudtsina A.I. - 8 th child.
Mezenina MD - 8 th child.
Rzhagnnikova MF - 8 child.
Kharitonov M.U. - 7 th child.
Konkova A.I. - 7 th child.
Etc…

The girls were different too!
For example, here’s a short article from the Ural Trubnik newspaper 1942 of the year:

“In the days of the two-man, as well as now, to help the families of war veterans, the Timurov team carried out work on bringing fuel to the apartments of the families of the soldiers, helping to chop and cut firewood. Timurovskim total brought fuel 60 cube. The teams of captains Tkacheva, Oborina, Hoffman during the two-decade drove up and sawed the 20 cube. wood for families of frontline comrade. Yurieva, Zyryanova, Mikheeva and others.
The best teams of school №10 are the teams of captains Hunger Lydia, Mahach Lena, Osadchaya Inna. Timurovites are frequent visitors to t. Zvyagina, Ziki, Pantileevoy and others. The Timurovians of this school transported 1000 kg on their own in the days of the two-decade. Coal for families of warriors. School teams No. XXUMX Dunaeva M., Mironova L., Ponomareva brought up and chopped firewood for families of front-line soldiers 11 cube.
Timur school №15 transported 20 cube. firewood. The best team in the days of the two-decade was the team of Captain Blacksmith Ella. ”

All timurovtsy - girls. The boys ground mines in craft workshops. Now, not many men imagine what it means to cut by hand and split 20 cubic meters of firewood !!! And the majority will not be able to do this.


Labor

Much has been written about the labor of women during the Great Patriotic War. The topic was churned and slandered. Liberal historians claim that the work in the USSR in general, and even more so, the work of women during the Great Patriotic War, was slave. Forced!
But this is the most vile lie, which the modern, as it were, the men composed about our mothers and grandmothers.
Let's compare.

During the war years, 29 million 574 thousand people were called up to the army and navy in the USSR. This is a huge amount!
If before the war the number of industrial workers and employees in the USSR reached 10 million 967 thousand people, then by 1942 year it decreased to 7 million 171 thousand people
While the total number of workers in the Soviet industry has sharply decreased, the share of women has greatly increased. In 1942, it was already 53%, in 1943 - 57%, in 1944 - 55%.
More than a half!

And in 1944, total mobilization in general was completed in Germany. There was a catastrophic shortage of people, but at the same time there was unemployment. Nothing can be done about capitalism!
Of the 42 million German women, only 16 million were considered employed. What does most of them in the service sector.
By the 1944 year, since the time Germany attacked the USSR, the number of bank employees and trade workers in Germany fell by only 16%, domestic servants became less numerous by 9%.
By the way, in England during the war years, domestic servants remained only in the richest houses, i.e. in units.
In Germans, the share of women in industry is 1941% in 26, 1942% in 28 g, 1943% in 32, the same ratio remains in 1944 ...
Therefore, there were fewer working men in the USSR industry, for example in 1942, than in the German industry in 2,1 times !!!

In the Soviet industry, both women and men worked less in the 1942 year than in the German industry of Germans-men. And if we add the German women-men, the workers of the occupied countries, the prisoners of war of France, Poland and the USSR, industrial workers, ostarbeiters, then the number of workers (especially skilled male workers) will be incomparable.

But all this horde produced less weapons than Soviet women!


PS: One modern young historian who studied the feats of Soviet people in the 40 of the twentieth century exclaimed in amazement:
“How did you, the people of the forties, who truly loved, really lived and really worked, raised us, such insignificant ones?”
Maybe a young historian was wrong. Maybe among us, now living, there are people not with an empty soul. And a part of the Soviet Union lives in this soul - a little hope of something bright, kind, real!
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  1. mongoose
    mongoose 10 October 2012 11: 16
    -84
    the Soviet state was the first in the world to do a great evil! put the women to the machine and hammer the piles, thus destroying the traditional family, allowed infanticide, thus depriving Russia of tens of millions of unborn and killed citizens
    1. Slayer
      Slayer 10 October 2012 11: 23
      +9
      Quote: mongoose
      the Soviet state was the first in the world to do a great evil!

      Then the women were strong simply, from there the expression went The Russian woman and the horse will stop galloping, right now such units
      1. mongoose
        mongoose 10 October 2012 11: 31
        -1
        in, only what good is a stopped horse if there are no Russians? at all? die like mammoths?
        1. Slayer
          Slayer 10 October 2012 11: 34
          +18
          Quote: mongoose

          in, only what good is a stopped horse if there are no Russians? at all? die like mammoths?

          Yes, then we were strong and healthy no matter how when, but right now we are dying out, do you think it’s better for women to hang out at discos with a yagu, smoke some weed and then ruin their gene pool than they stand at a groan?
          1. mongoose
            mongoose 10 October 2012 11: 39
            -28
            so this consequence do you think in the 20s this was not? It was! girls have ceased to be girls, from the age of 14 they smoke, wander around the gateways, but why? They don't know God, they don't know what is good and what is bad! and why? Is it because their mothers have been plowing like clockwork at the machine for 3 generations? in field? and they just have no time to engage in raising children? and they grow like weeds, brought up at best by "socializing women from the Komsomol" and at worst by the street? spoiled the women, then we complain about the inkwells
            1. SHILO
              SHILO 10 October 2012 12: 03
              +21
              Dima, you understand that you’re not just spitting on your story (whatever it may be), you insult those same three generations?
              1. mongoose
                mongoose 10 October 2012 12: 21
                -13
                Am I spitting on the story? yah? I spit only in the Jews of the Bolsheviks who brought the Russian people many millions of deaths, hunger, poverty! poisoned the people's soul! destroying a huge number of Russian temples, icons, robbing people
                1. Slayer
                  Slayer 10 October 2012 12: 31
                  +13
                  Quote: mongoose
                  Bolsheviks who brought the Russian people many millions of deaths, hunger, poverty! poisoned the people's soul! destroying a huge number of Russian temples, icons, robbing people

                  And you owe it to these great centuries, and owe it to them that you speak Russian, not English and don’t sit in the mine for food for the benefit of Uncle Sam. It’s possible to discuss for a long time Stalin’s methods of creating the greatest empire, and all countries will be right, but the fact that ultimately from created the greatest country and saved it at least 2 times from the Nazis and Americans is a fact
                  1. Che
                    Che 10 October 2012 13: 41
                    +8
                    Slayer,
                    The revolution was imported to Russia by the west. They were interested in our decay and destruction. And the Russians stubbornly fought among themselves for their joy. The Bolsheviks managed to get the country out of the underworld. You have to admit it. Not they, we would now work for the Anglo-Saxons.
                    1. vadimN
                      vadimN 10 October 2012 14: 01
                      +1
                      Quote: Che
                      The Bolsheviks managed to get the country out of the underworld.


                      Do not forget that these same Bolsheviks were diligently dragging Russia into the underworld at the beginning of the 20th century ... And Stalin pulled the country out of it, deservedly shooting the bloody "Leninist Guard" in the 30s!
                  2. vadimN
                    vadimN 10 October 2012 13: 59
                    +7
                    Let's not talk about Stalin ... He restored the empire destroyed by his predecessors - faithful Leninists, 90% of whom were Jews (I wonder why this happened, and ...?). Restored - and thank him for that!

                    If it were not for the Leninist coup for German money with the filing of England and the direct approval of the growing empire of the dollar empire, it is not yet known which way the world would develop, continue Russia as a united, economically developed and powerful country.
                2. Nuar
                  Nuar 10 October 2012 13: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: mongoose
                  ...
                  who you, oh handsome, so raised the rating that you go with officer epaulets?
                3. Fox 070
                  Fox 070 10 October 2012 15: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: mongoose
                  I spit only in the Jews of the Bolsheviks

                  Let me fix it a little bit, the Bolshevik Jews. And with regard to their moral character, the same is true; it is enough to recall Alexander Mikhailovna Kolontai (Domontovich).
                4. Comrade1945
                  Comrade1945 10 October 2012 21: 17
                  +1
                  "It's the same everywhere, but it's also cold in Antarctica ..."
                  What have you done with your icons as a sexton? We are here about politics, achievements, military power in the end, and you are all about one.
                5. arkady149
                  arkady149 11 October 2012 04: 21
                  0
                  Ds. PGM weighed down by phimosis.
            2. baltika-18
              baltika-18 10 October 2012 13: 32
              +4
              Quote: mongoose
              They don’t know God, they don’t know what is good and what is bad!

              Dima, do you know that? If you say something like that, then you probably think of something on this subject who you are to judge.
            3. Bigriver
              Bigriver 10 October 2012 18: 08
              +7
              Mongoose

              The Russian woman did not plow for three generations, but for several centuries plowed together with her peasant like a horse. The country, right up to the revolution, was a peasant.
              And children were brought up not by edification, but by example, by labor.
            4. Su24
              Su24 10 October 2012 21: 26
              +2
              Women have always worked in the field, in any historical era.
      2. ughhh
        ughhh 10 October 2012 11: 38
        +9
        ... he will stop the elephant for a gallop and his trunk will be torn off.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 10 October 2012 12: 53
          +6
          Quote: ughhh
          ... he will stop the elephant for a gallop and his trunk will be torn off.

          - Well, it's about the Hindu -)))). And about the Russian beauty Nekrasov wrote -))))
      3. Radarik606
        Radarik606 10 October 2012 18: 01
        +7
        don’t touch the mongoose, he’s a troll, he’s just waiting for an occasion to write about the Jews of the Bolsheviks, the gulag and the billions of people who died from the Jews of the Bolshoi, and after that write again in a circle
    2. DEMENTIY
      DEMENTIY 10 October 2012 11: 30
      +22
      ???????????????????
      1. mongoose
        mongoose 10 October 2012 11: 33
        -6
        me in front of my grandmother? I am ashamed that my whole life was hunchbacked on a collective farm and lived in poverty! remembering his pre-revolutionary youth and prosperity in the family, the peasant family
        1. Aventurinka
          Aventurinka 10 October 2012 11: 50
          +8
          "They gave birth in the field, wrapped them in an apron, put them near a noticeable bush and again mow or reap. And in the evening milk the cow at home, feed the chickens ... and the child next to her in a kerchief tied to her chest ... Do you have to do it, where to put the child?" "
          1. mongoose
            mongoose 10 October 2012 12: 22
            -7
            gee, don’t read the Bonch-Bruevichs and in general the people were healthier and tidier, had not yet torn on the Soviet giant construction sites
            1. Aventurinka
              Aventurinka 10 October 2012 13: 08
              +4
              at least gee, at least not gee. If the family allowed itself not to send women to work in the field at all (they were usually attracted to harvest), then in this case there was enough cattle in the farmyard, which took no less time and effort. Apart from housework.
              This is what I managed to hear and remember about the life of an ordinary farm (or rather 3) in the Krasnodar Territory, while there was someone to tell.
              And neither before the revolution, nor after the revolution, life was not particularly different.
            2. Uruska
              Uruska 10 October 2012 14: 12
              -9
              Yes, I did not forget the time when the tax was deducted for the eggs. But, in general, I want to say that now girls have become better dressed and look much more attractive. This is a definite achievement!
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 10 October 2012 16: 29
                +10
                especially with a bare navel in winter, it contributes to normal reproduction
              2. Ascetic
                Ascetic 10 October 2012 21: 24
                +5
                Quote: Uruska
                Yes, I did not forget the time when the tax was deducted for the eggs. But, in general, I want to say that now girls have become better dressed and look much more attractive. This is a definite achievement!


                Especially when they smoke wherever possible and impossible, swearing and sucking alcohol poison from aluminum cans, how fashionably do not dress in my eyes, for example, these will neither look more attractive nor healthier. My youth and youth passed in the USSR, and at least I did not meet such girls, especially on the street (as it is now and then). Although dressing wrong fashionably as it is now, but the relationship was nobler, cleaner and more direct.

        2. Slayer
          Slayer 10 October 2012 11: 51
          +9
          Quote: mongoose
          remembering his pre-revolutionary youth and prosperity in the family, the peasant family

          you know, those who wanted to study went, my grandmother went to school 8 km every day, at age 15 I left to study completely alone with a bag of supplies and 10 rubles in my pocket in Krasnoyarsk, it's 500 km from her village, and I learned and worked all her life in the military enlistment office later, the 2nd sister also became a lawyer, the 3rd sister stayed in the village and was also happy, she was called to the city, she didn’t want to leave the village, that's what women were before
          1. mongoose
            mongoose 10 October 2012 12: 24
            -7
            my grandmother managed to finish the 2nd grade of the parish before the coup, she wrote better than you and me, and about education. not everything is so simple and they didn’t give passports, and even abandoned fields were discussing this issue on a nearby branch, my mother and uncles did the same thing, people just fled from collective farms
        3. revnagan
          revnagan 10 October 2012 16: 40
          +3
          Quote: mongoose
          remembering his pre-revolutionary youth and prosperity in the family, the peasant family

          So this is where, as Gorby (God grant him health in the next world) would say, "the dog rummaged"! The kulak darling hurts, hurts about the "candle factory".
          "And the mongoose fought back and cried,
          and shouted: "I am a useful animal."
          V.S. Vysotsky
        4. Sandov
          Sandov 10 October 2012 21: 18
          +1
          mongoose,
          My grandfather also recalled how well it was before the Soviets. Well, duck can’t be redone; you have to live up to the interests of your country. This is the main thing. Discussing with and without, is pointless. Enemies are just waiting for this.
        5. wax
          wax 11 October 2012 00: 20
          0
          "Eat jail Yasha, there is no milk
          Where is our ladybug? “Gone, my light.”
          The master took her home for the offspring. It is glorious for the people to live in holy Russia! "
          This is just about the pre-revolutionary peasant life.
          You, a mongoose, are not from the peasants, otherwise you would have known from your grandmother or great-grandmother that the peasants were walking in their bast shoes before the revolution, stinging with a sickle, hammering with flails, plowing a plow, worked from morning to night with the whole family, young and old.
    3. ughhh
      ughhh 10 October 2012 11: 35
      +1
      Quote: mongoose
      the Soviet state was the first in the world to do a great evil! put the women to the machine and hammer the piles

      It looks like sarcasm.

      In general, our modern women will give 100 points ahead of the Soviet. But there are no men. Fagots and slobberies "computer" were raised because. Therefore, there are problems in the social sphere.
      1. Aventurinka
        Aventurinka 10 October 2012 11: 42
        +15
        Well, there is a moot point ... There are no men, because modern women, for the most part, vaguely imagine how it was possible to live like that. Not only that, without sewage, water and gas-electricity, but also without a washing machine, dishwasher, washing vacuum cleaner, food processor, convenience foods, crock-pot, microwave, household chemicals, personal car, supermarket and I can list a bunch of everything .. .
        And with all this, at the present time, having given birth to one child, to say "My son will not have a single pistol or toy soldier, I do not want to raise an aggressive animal out of my lapusik pusik ..."
        1. ughhh
          ughhh 10 October 2012 11: 53
          +7
          Yeah, and then the lapusiki pusiks live up to 30 years with mothers and are shy about giving flowers to girls. Soon the girls will give flowers to the peasants in order to somehow switch their attention from computer games and drugs.
          Parents have nothing to do with it, no. Putin is to blame.
          1. mongoose
            mongoose 10 October 2012 12: 07
            0
            exactly GDP extreme laughing
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 10 October 2012 12: 56
              +2
              Quote: mongoose
              exactly GDP extreme

              - He is!!!!!! Finally cheers, we found a suitable replacement for the annoying Chubais!
        2. mongoose
          mongoose 10 October 2012 12: 26
          +2
          Aventurinka, I had the same problem with the first. was proud. She tried to drive me under the heel, she drove me to the bike. The second she had such a male, her whole face was disfigured, lived at her expense, but the male laughing
    4. starshina78
      starshina78 10 October 2012 11: 45
      +19
      Mongoose, have you ever lived in the USSR? Most likely, he may have lived, but at an irresponsible age, and you hardly have the right to judge what the Soviet state was like. Yes, one of the gains of the October Revolution was gender equality. And what's wrong with that ? Women stood at the machines, built houses, laid railways, but this was not only due to gender equality, there is another reason. The twentieth century was the richest in wars. World War I, Civil War, World War I. Mostly men died, whole generations were knocked out, for example: born in 1921 to 1923, they were in military service when the war began). It was necessary to build, produce products, and therefore women worked in men's professions, and during the Great Patriotic War only women and boys with girls worked in factories (my mother, at the age of 14, came to work in the aircraft forging shop as a molder, hell of a job, ramming with a mallet in her hands composition of earth in a mold before pouring steel, mother-in-law at the age of 17 worked in felling). A Soviet woman is a heroic woman. Not a single woman in the world would be able to work in production (construction, railroad, or somewhere else), while giving birth to children, 45 days after giving birth to go to work (and maybe even earlier), maintain a household, and provide assistance to those who ask for it. Nowhere in the world, except in Russia, there is such a cult of MOTHER. MOTHER is sacred, for her sake everyone is ready to perform a feat (with the exception of today's nabobs and the rest of the modern riffraff, worshiping the "golden calf", and for which there are no authorities). In the criminal environment, MOTHER is an indisputable authority. Look how many films, poems and poems, books, paintings (in which not the magnificent ladies of Rubens, but a woman toiler, a woman as a mother) are dedicated to women in our country, no other country in the world has such a thing. The bad news is that now the line between men and women is being blurred. How many women have become - alcoholics, homeless people, probably every third, if not the second smokes, and yet they give birth. Whom will they give birth to if young girls and women are hooked on cocktails of unknown properties and composition, through one with beer. A terrible picture! What lies ahead? Extinction? Degradation? The answer will be yes if we don't stop it.
      1. mongoose
        mongoose 10 October 2012 12: 07
        -7
        gee, I was born in 1971. I remember very well what the Soviet state was, and about the sausage of our factory brought back from Moscow by train and about how in practice at the military factory I earned in the first month as much as my mother is the head of the organization’s department, she has 2 higher educations I started from the bottom, the education was in absentia, like mine.
        And once again, where did I say something against Women? Mother? it infuriates me in what role their advice put
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 10 October 2012 13: 11
          +11
          Quote: mongoose
          it infuriates me in what role their advice put


          In what sense did they set it up? Nobody set anyone, with the advice of a woman, she felt completely free, she could choose a specialty like everyone else, and the state was engaged in employment, and no local king in the form of a company boss like that of the bourgeois could deny a woman a job, and no one could to limit a woman in career growth, a lot of the highest posts in the USSR were held by women .. And the fact that they stood at the machine tool during the war, who, in your opinion, forced them when they themselves understood that if they weren’t, then either death or German slavery, the second worse..
          True freedom is when the state takes care of each person, and not about 1% in whose hands all the money and power ..

          “And who are these cops?” - asked XXX.
          - Bandits! - with irritation said YYY. - Honestly, bandits! In fact, the duty of the police is to protect the population from robbers, but in reality they protect only the rich. And the rich are the real robbers. They only rob us, hiding behind the laws that they themselves come up with. And what, tell me, is the difference, according to the law, they will rob me or not according to the law? I do not care!
          - Here you are somehow wonderful! - said ZZZ. “Why are you obeying the cops and even these ... what do you call them rich men?”
          - Try not to listen here, when everything is in their hands: the land, and factories, and money, and, in addition, weapons! - ZZZ got a little sad

          And now the names - XXX - Herring, YYY - Spikelet and ZZZ - Cog, from Dunno on the Moon
          1. crazyrom
            crazyrom 10 October 2012 17: 13
            +1
            AAAAAAAA To go nuts! I recognized Dunno by the first two phrases of hahahaha a brilliant work, I read in 11 years and re-read in 28 with pleasure.
        2. aksakal
          aksakal 10 October 2012 13: 16
          +11
          Quote: starshina78
          Soviet woman is a heroic woman. Not a single woman in the world could work in production (construction, railways, or somewhere else), while having children, 45 days after giving birth to go to work (or maybe earlier), support the household, and to help those who ask her
          - and learn more! After which I became a cool specialist.
          Quote: mongoose
          I was born in 1971. I remember very well what the Soviet state was, and about the sausage of our factory brought back from Moscow by train and about how in practice at the military factory I earned as much in the first month as my mother is the head of the organization’s department, she has 2 higher educations I started from the bottom, the education was in absentia, like mine. And once again, where did I say something against Women? Mother? it infuriates me in what role their advice put
          - Mongoose, really not angry. My mother was a widow with four children in her arms, me, the eldest was 8 years old (second grade), the youngest - a month, besides, the milk disappeared from grief. Firstly, a plus article for women of that time, my mother also belongs to that generation. It is unfortunate that we can only thank such articles -)))). Imagine the current mother in the same situation - as a minimum, two elders will be in the orphanage and the mother will see once a month! I am sure of that. My mother alone raised everyone and did not surrender anyone to the orphanage, and gave everyone the opportunity to learn and get an education that spares me and feeds me, I am not complaining. Of course, there were few jeans and adidas, but in general - I had a good and happy childhood!
          Now let's talk about the state. Which the USSR was called. Misfortune overtook us on the collective farm, where the father preceded shortly before his death. A huge farm, a farmstead - everything is beyond the power. We moved to Alma-Ata. Get an apartment - registration is needed. In addition to registration, it’s the turn. But there was then - there is now - God forbid many more years of life and happiness - such a glorious woman - Margarita Tereshkova, at that time Chairman of the Union of Soviet Women. Her troubles and the comprehensive help of the local city executive committee received an improved brick three-room as much as 80 sq.m. downtown.
          In addition, after the loss of the breadwinner, 60% of the father's salary was paid. Upon reaching 18 years of age, one-quarter (in the number of children), payments stopped. At school - a full free board and a buffet and in the school cafeteria.
          About medical care - free of charge, of high quality, especially during Chazov’s time, when they constantly drove to the clinic and immediately treated what they found (well, I was a healthy boy, usually caries or something, but others had more serious things) and this is absolutely is free! Compare, you are our wise guy.
          About education - both school and university (at the university also a scholarship) was paid - I will not even comment. To an educated brow, everything is already perfectly visible. besides - compare. These requisitions have already reached - for the birthday of the school principal, for the repair of the class, for another crap twice a week! And education - no comparison with the school of the USSR!
          Mongoose is really not angry. Look with open-minded eyes, just look. Take off those damned liberide glasses!
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 10 October 2012 13: 34
            -6
            God of long life and happiness - such a glorious woman - Margarita Tereshkova
            Now it is called a social contract for low-income families. It’s real to get an apartment on it. (The question is how is this a separate conversation)
            In addition, after the loss of the breadwinner, 60% of the father's salary was paid. Upon reaching 18 years of age, one-quarter (in the number of children), payments stopped.
            And now there are payments for the loss of a breadwinner + insurance.
            At school - a full free board and a buffet and in the school cafeteria.
            Now similarly + free travel and part of social services.
            About medical care - free of charge, of high quality, especially during Chazov’s time, when they constantly drove to the clinic and immediately treated what they found (well, I was a healthy boy, usually caries or something, but others had more serious things) and this is absolutely is free! Compare, you are our wise guy.
            This is called an annual medical examination.
            We already got these requisitions - for the director’s birthday, for class repairs, for another crap twice a week!
            I recommend to see the charter of the school. Most of these payments go directly to the director’s pocket. In Russia, a lot of money is now going to repair schools and purchase equipment for them.
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 10 October 2012 13: 54
              +3
              Quote: leon-iv
              Now it is called a social contract for low-income families. It’s real to get an apartment on it. (The question is how is this a separate conversation)
              - Wow! Well, why be surprised, you also have maternity capital, broken through fiercely and harshly with a brow you hate, which our mothers can’t get from our Government -)))))))).
              Quote: leon-iv
              And now there are payments for the loss of a breadwinner + insurance.

              - dimensions can be voiced? And then we also seem to have it (I won’t say the figure - I’m ashamed), but in terms of purchasing power it is more like a mockery than a real help. 60% of father’s 320 rubles is almost two hundred rubles. And this is not a mockery -)))).

              Quote: leon-iv
              This is called an annual medical examination.
              - I know what it was called and called -)))))). Held? How formal? identified is treated for free? And even identified dental problems? Seriously? Well then chur, do not call me a guest worker, I am a highly qualified specialist. And health problems have already begun due to age -))))
              Quote: leon-iv
              I recommend to see the charter of the school. Most of these payments go directly to the director’s pocket. In Russia, a lot of money is now going to repair schools and purchase equipment for them
              - I know. I don’t know how to deal with it. Oh well, I’m not getting poorer, just annoyance - it’s depressing another, the quality of education really fell below the plinth. Can you prove what has grown? Very, we are interested, I'm listening to you -)))))
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 10 October 2012 14: 12
                +1
                you have maternity capital
                Are you about me personally? Yes, I have two children and I have maternity capital.
                Or are you talking about the country of Russia, as I understand you are from Kazakhstan?
                sizes can be voiced?
                Xs I do not remember this. My wife is engaged in working because of the decree in kolybel-ivanovo.blogspot.com. And the whole family has insurance.
                Held?
                Yes
                How formal?
                I have VHI, so I'm in a private clinic. My parents (mother, teacher, teacher, teacher at the university is normal) + There are health centers in the city, one a 2-minute walk from my place of work.
                And even identified dental problems?
                EMNIP, in addition to prosthetics, can be sent to the maxillofacial surgery to the regional one.
                I don’t know how to deal with this.
                Write to the City Administration and the Anti-Corruption Committee. But the main schemes of withdrawal are just the same for construction, if you have evidence in your hands, write to the prosecutor.
                Can you prove what has grown?
                No, the parents of the children and not the teachers were to blame for this. For the generation of the 90s survived, and the 00s gave the children away to the Internet and television
                1. aksakal
                  aksakal 10 October 2012 14: 32
                  0
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  Are you about me personally? Yes, I have two children and I have maternity capital. Or are you talking about the country Russia, as I understand you are from Kazakhstan?
                  - No, I summarize, do not take it at your own expense, for there is no site wherever it is poured with mud, and even with such hatred. _)))). I assume that it is precisely for maternal capital-)))).
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  Xs I do not remember this. My wife is engaged in working because of the decree in kolybel-ivanovo.blogspot.com. And the whole family has insurance

                  - nevertheless, it seems that the sizes are not so hot for real purchasing power either. Single mothers barely survive even with one child, generally I am silent about two, and this is a fact.
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  EMNIP, in addition to prosthetics, can be sent to the maxillofacial surgery to the regional one.
                  - we have a free volume of medical care, complied with, there are no complaints, but serious things are included there, God forbid, but like dentistry and the like are not included. But caries does not look at the state of your wallet, it comes as always at the wrong time and empties your pocket so well - the beginning caries only gets out more than 100 dead raccoons for filling. When a family, and each no-no gets out - unpleasantly, instead of Venice - some thread is banal boring Turkey. and I already wanted to Venice -)))))

                  "Write to the City Administration and the Anti-Corruption Committee. But the main schemes of withdrawal are just the same for construction, if you have evidence in your hands, write to the prosecutor. "- well, I will not become impoverished, it’s a pity for the time and nerves, and you will annoy the child from the bottom of my heart. Sorry, they do not affect me, but the child. THE USSR! -)))))

                  "No, the parents of the children and not the teachers were to blame for this. For the generation of the 90s survived, and the 00s gave the children away to the Internet and television"- well, of course, we are to blame! and who else? It is our own fault! Teachers are working their way out of their skin to switch to the service sector from the education sector, to receive the appropriate remuneration, no less than the average for the service sector, but at the same time they want to stay in the education sector with the other foot, because the public attitude towards service workers is a little different - someone upstairs complained about the beer makers -)). But the attitude towards the teachers was different, because they were from a different field - the SPHERE OF EDUCATION , one might say, from the temple! Only knowledge. And now they want to be a service sector, but the attitude is like in the field of education! They want and we are to blame! Super!
                  1. leon-iv
                    leon-iv 10 October 2012 14: 52
                    -1
                    for there is no site wherever it is poured mud
                    And what problems can there be with him? Ignorance / unwillingness of people to read the laws? I’m going to buy a second apartment now and will add it to the down payment.
                    Single mothers barely survive even with one child, generally I am silent about two, and this is a fact.
                    In fact, you need to look individually, because under one comb all revenge is stupid.
                    But caries does not look at the state of your wallet, it comes as always at the wrong time and empties your pocket so well - the beginning caries only gets out more than 100 dead raccoons for filling.
                    We have dental clinics there treat caries for free. Prosthetics for money.
                    OBKHSS without any of our writings was fierce
                    To do this, now he also fusses OBEP. Only the desire of people to help organs is not observed.
                    But the attitude towards the teachers was different, for they were from a different sphere - EDUCATION SPHERES, one might say, from the temple!
                    You work as a teacher for fun and look at the boorish upbringing of many children.
                    As they say, take care of raising your children, otherwise the TV will do it for you. That's what they got. Even in the USSR, remember Yeralash, then the opposition Teacher-Pupil began
                    1. aksakal
                      aksakal 10 October 2012 15: 47
                      +1
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      And what problems can there be with him? Ignorance / unwillingness of people to read the laws? I’m going to buy a second apartment now and will add it to the down payment.

                      - You know, really happy for you. I also do this, but because of the absence of the mother, I have to load a mortgage, if it is not right -)))). But I expect support from you in terms of a fairer consideration of the personality of the current Chubais substitute - Putin -))))) because sometimes he is terribly unfair to him.
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      In fact, you need to look individually, because under one comb all revenge is stupid.
                      - I do not argue, there are those that they do not need any help from anyone, even if they have three or more children. If she is a good specialist at Gazprom headquarters _)))))). But something during the USSR, I do not remember the terrifying death of two young children due to the fact that my mother was forced to look for uh. no matter how, but was eventually hit by a car on the street. And I don’t remember the demonstrative throwing of children from the fifteenth floor in the face of the threat of being left alone with two children. Probably because the Union was not left in trouble. What answer to this?
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      We have dental clinics there treat caries for free. Prosthetics for money.
                      - perfectly. I'll grumble a little - with almost the same level of per capita GDP, Kazakhstan could also afford maternity capital (well, in the same proportions less), and caries. Well, we will continue to work. Only our minister of social protection Akhmetov made a reservation in annoyance when they pressed specifically - "like I forced you to give birth? What did you think when you gave birth?" Now he apologizes. I hope this does not work out.
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      To do this, now he also fusses OBEP. Only the desire of people to help organs is not observed.
                      - Sorry, he doesn’t loot anything, do not lie. The biggest deal - maybe it’s lyut, but with this - nothing is lyut. But if you climb, they hit the child, I repeat. They simply voice your unwillingness and your scandalousness - shame for your father - mental trauma. Really do not understand? The USSR was able to stop such things without the participation of parents, and it is important to restore this skill.
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      You work as a teacher for interest and look at the boorish upbringing of many children
                      - there is some truth. And that is why the women of the post-war period - those that brought up my generation, plus, I join the article. And for my generation and the generation of women of my age who have already started the high-life movement (have you found this? Enlighten) - it is a shame.
                      Nevertheless, return the formation of the USSR. Adjusted for modern technology in the world in general and in education (in methodology) in particular.
                      See you in the USSR
                      1. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 10 October 2012 17: 15
                        0
                        But I expect support from you in terms of a fairer consideration of the personality of the current Chubais substitute - Putin -))))) because sometimes he is terribly unfair to him.
                        Does this relate to the topic of conversation? But I will answer until there is a change in the elites, nothing will change.
                        But something during the USSR, I don’t remember the terrifying death of two young children due to the fact that my mother was forced to earn extra money
                        Umm, then were the means of communication so developed? But listening to the stories of familiar parents who work as doctors does not hurt what has changed. Only then it was strictly forbidden to write about it.
                        Probably because the Union was not left in trouble. What answer to this?
                        So you take the example of the mother of a prostitute and a psychiatrist? A great example you think this wasn’t))) well, well.
                        Sorry, he doesn’t loot anything, do not lie.
                        I’m not lying, but I know because my very close friend serves there. He himself helped him a couple of times.
                        They simply voice your unwillingness and your scandalousness - shame for your father - mental trauma. Really do not understand?
                        Clearly, you're just scared. Then do not be surprised that you are milked.
                        Nevertheless, return the formation of the USSR. Adjusted for modern technology in the world in general and in education (in methodology) in particular.
                        It is debatable here, but this is a separate issue. In the Soviet system, it was necessary to add a large specialization in subjects in children.
                      2. aksakal
                        aksakal 10 October 2012 18: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: leon-iv
                        Does this relate to the topic of conversation? But I will answer until there is a change in the elites, nothing will change.
                        - Not really, just by the way, because in the preservation of that which you convincingly convince me of, his important merit. The 90s would continue - what would happen? Or venerate the Novodvorskaya program - the election laughing
                        Quote: leon-iv
                        Umm, then were the means of communication so developed? But listening to the stories of familiar parents who work as doctors does not hurt what has changed. Only then it was strictly forbidden to write about it

                        - maybe you are right. But there are eyes and ears. I believe them. I personally knew quite a lot of my brothers from the absence of my father and their mothers; now I know many mothers, some of whom are pretty close, who have remained widows or simply abandoned. Comparing. Conclusions - you did not convince me. I believe more in my ears and eyes, for I myself see.
                        Quote: leon-iv
                        So you take the example of the mother of a prostitute and a psychiatrist? A great example you think this wasn’t))
                        - But were there such professions and conditions in the Union? Even if they were - on such a scale?
                        Quote: leon-iv
                        I’m not lying, but I know because my very close friend serves there. He himself helped him a couple of times.
                        - I also have a friend, a Finnish policeman (we have the same name for the organ. So he says - God forbid billions of dollars here, and you, with your requisitions - small things where in this elite row? Now you’ll put the recipient’s corps? Who will teach the children? Well and like that.

                        Quote: leon-iv
                        Clearly, you're just scared. Then do not be surprised that you are milked.
                        “Children are my weak spot, I admit.” Not for myself, for myself insofar as I am the only breadwinner, and I have reason to not trust my beloved state in terms of support, no matter how convincing you are.
                        Quote: leon-iv
                        It is debatable here, but this is a separate issue. In the Soviet system, it was necessary to add a large specialization in subjects in children.
                        - in terms of the organization of the educational process meant. In terms of professional level, teachers meant. Regarding specialization - let there be many different schools.
                        And yet - in my time there were circles like "Young Technician", I even went to an aircraft modeling club. Now my daughter, a first-grader, has gotten a little infected from me, she talks about the SU-27, putting into a stupor, for example, taxi drivers when she rides a taxi with her mother. I would like to send her to this circle - to develop an interest, maybe later she will grow up to a VAF student - but no, there is no such thing in all of Almaty! Simply no! Is this aspect also forgotten? But in vain ....
            2. starshina78
              starshina78 10 October 2012 19: 57
              +2
              leon - iv, you are right, everything is on paper, but in reality it is a question. To get a free apartment, not in Moscow but somewhere in the province, is tantamount to flying into space. Pension for the loss of the breadwinner: my daughter is a widow (my husband died at the age of 33 from a heart attack), she has two daughters, the pension for the loss of the breadwinner is 4750 rubles per child, and now answer me - this is a lot, while part of the pension, paid through a pension fund, is accrued regularly, and the part paid through social protection bodies through a stump is paid to a deck (delays from August). At school, the girls are not placed on free meals, because - the total income of my daughter (including the survivor's pension) exceeded 300 rubles, the minimum established. I agree with the passage - free. Nobody heard about the medical examination in the schools of our city, the school has a nurse who is 75 years old (I will not name the city so that the mayor is not ashamed, I will say that it is located 42 km from Moscow Ring Road). And what kind of medical examination can be discussed if there are no narrow specialists in the children's polyclinic: cardiologist, endocrinologist, TB specialist, surgeon, optometrist, there are not enough pediatricians. about requisitions in schools. In the same class as my elder granddaughter, the daughter of a prosecutor’s office is studying, and her parents, like everyone else, contribute money to repair the class, plastic windows, a new board and fixtures in the class. And about the money allocated to repair schools. For two years in a row, all parents on September 1 could watch the broken windows in the gym (2010 and 2011), when at last this year they put plastic windows on the sponsors' money. You probably live in Moscow or on another planet. that everything is so wonderful with you. Remember, money ends outside the Moscow Ring Road. Next comes the harsh reality.
          2. starshina78
            starshina78 10 October 2012 19: 39
            +1
            Aksakal! Thank you for the plus. I would like to add a story about my mother-in-law. When her husband tragically died, i.e. my father-in-law, she also has four left in her arms: the eldest - 12, the next - 9, 6 and 5 (my future wife was the youngest). She worked on a collective farm, while managing to housekeeping (according to the stories of his wife they always had: two cows, a couple - three piglets, sheep, chickens and ducks, and a garden of 45 acres). It did not fit my mind how she could manage to take care of all this, while working in a field crew. Everyone could ask her for help and she did not refuse anyone, it was not for nothing that she was called Dushanka (they called her Evdokia) in the village. Being already my mother-in-law, she raised my children, in the winter we lived in the city and looked after them, giving us calm work without thinking about how the children are in her village in the summer, Even when she was already old, her enthusiasm astounded me. In the early years of perestroika, she managed to go around all the shops and buy scarce foods, then when the lines no longer needed to stand and chase groceries, she found her peers who couldn’t go to the store for some reason or were simply alone, visited them in order to help or talk. Grandchildren went, she and her grandchildren, but alas, age took its toll, She died on the go. Walked and fell. The most interesting thing is that she was born on the Annunciation. and died on Easter. Maybe the Lord is her ambassador specifically to Earth, so that she helps people. Kingdom of heaven to her!
          3. Pancho
            Pancho 10 October 2012 20: 10
            +1
            Quote: aksakal
            such a nice woman - Margarita Tereshkova

            And not Valentina Tereshkova for an hour?
      2. Konrad
        Konrad 10 October 2012 20: 50
        -4
        Quote: starshina78
        Have you ever lived in the USSR?

        I have been living since 1953. Is this life was - survival.
    5. Vadivak
      Vadivak 10 October 2012 11: 49
      +2
      Quote: mongoose
      the Soviet state was the first in the world to do a great evil! put women to the machine


      Yes, but now there’s nothing to be done about, but if I honestly didn’t like aunts in Soviet trade, once, when I bought cognac for 10 rubles, they shod, and there was so much mess on beer
      1. with
        with 10 October 2012 12: 02
        +4
        Quote: Vadivak
        Yes, but now there’s nothing to be done about, but if I honestly didn’t like aunts in Soviet trade,

        They had to smile !!)) drinks

        Quote: Vadivak
        on beer, so in general there was chaos

        Damn, how much they had, I was generally shocked when I unearthed them, but the most interesting thing was that they had imported beer supplies, which the Sov.buyer did not even guess about !!!



        SchA for me is more relevant than ever, after yesterday ..... !!!)) bully
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 10 October 2012 12: 13
          +3
          Quote: met
          They had to smile


          Who was smiling? Consider ours, we drank a little ....
          Quote: met
          they had import beer supplies,


          Well, yes, Czech light in barrels came to the regional base, the districts didn’t take it - it’s expensive, I did not remember a ruble and a penny already, so the director gave the go-ahead to sell among his own, drank to the uss .... and sold five to the grateful residents of the city three liter jar
      2. mongoose
        mongoose 10 October 2012 12: 12
        0
        it’s for sure, but the chervonets shod it yes! strong you see then was hi
    6. Ahmar
      Ahmar 10 October 2012 11: 59
      +6
      this stupidity was born in your sore imagination!mongoose
      Women began to use the machine during the Great Patriotic War and not only, in addition, in the USSR there was a total free education and medicine + distribution to work, i.e. everyone could count on employment after school. The USSR is industrial, cultural, scientific, etc. height! And the abortions you are hinting about were imposed by the "sexual revolution" and all sorts of UNICEFs and USAIDs, through media propaganda, resp. films and amendments to laws. And here is what the West was doing at this time http://www.fondsk.ru/news/2012/10/09/lunnaja-epopeja-po-russki-i-po-amerikanski.
      html or this http://www.imperiya.by/news.html?id=98000
      1. mongoose
        mongoose 10 October 2012 12: 12
        -4
        m-d, march to school! learn the history of the 20s!
    7. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 10 October 2012 12: 14
      +7
      mongoose

      О mongoose

      Lately, while reading the comments of this animal, I’m just wondering where the poop comes from in my head and mouth ...
      Although ... maybe instead of a mouth ..
      1. mongoose
        mongoose 10 October 2012 12: 27
        -10
        n-dya, are you offended? See your grandfathers, great-grandfathers well communicated? no wonder i don't get killers and robbers
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 10 October 2012 15: 24
          +4
          mongoose! I want to offer you dust-free work-In the morning you get up in front of the herd of sheep and go towards the meat-packing plant most importantly, do not forget to turn to the side at the right time otherwise the next day your other colleague will be in your place!
    8. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 10 October 2012 12: 37
      +6
      Quote: mongoose
      the Soviet state was the first in the world to do a great evil! put the women to the machine and hammer the piles,

      This is either ignorance or a lie. The government of tsarist Russia also put women to the machine. And children, by the way, too - there weren’t so many schools in the Russian Empire, but mostly kids were studying in them - after 3 classes they went to work mainly to feed their families
      Quote: mongoose
      allowed infanticide

      So what? In the USSR, after that, the birth rate fell sharply, or what? It seems that you think that is exactly what happened. But this is not true. In fact, after the resolution of abortions, the number of children per woman even increased slightly.
    9. rexby63
      rexby63 10 October 2012 14: 26
      +1
      Oh well, first thing. Speak, don’t speak. By the way, the article above is about Soviet women, and not about any other
    10. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 10 October 2012 16: 27
      0
      Quote: mongoose
      allowed infanticide

      and detail?!!!!
    11. crazyrom
      crazyrom 10 October 2012 17: 08
      +1
      Quote: mongoose
      the Soviet state was the first in the world to do a great evil! put the women to the machine and hammer the piles

      Dim, however, was not so. The men were all at the front, the women (and children 10-16 years old !!!) themselves were put to the machine, because someone had to make bullets and shells? At that time, people did not work for wages, but for their homeland, for Victory. You don’t understand this today ... So you decided, since women work 12 hours at the machine, then they are forced to. But no. The mentality was different.
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 10 October 2012 17: 26
        +7
        A LOW BOW TO WOMEN EXCEEDING THE BODIES OF WAR AND CONSTRUCTION OF GREAT RUSSIA my Manya is the same
    12. Su24
      Su24 10 October 2012 21: 22
      +1
      And if this had not been done, then there would have been no industrialization; Russia would not have stood against the Wehrmacht. What would then be with our women?
      In addition, it must be said that in the traditional era, women still worked, no less than men, just did other work.
  2. Check
    Check 10 October 2012 11: 20
    +7
    I do not agree with you at that time, and men and women were a single mechanism of the state. which led him to the power that this state has achieved! and women of the USSR, I can only admire.
  3. vlbelugin
    vlbelugin 10 October 2012 11: 24
    +8
    Glory to our Soviet, Russian women. I now believe in a Russian woman.
    The most beautiful, most intelligent, most decent.
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 10 October 2012 11: 34
      -13
      on the "Leningrad"?
  4. mongoose
    mongoose 10 October 2012 11: 25
    +1
    and a plus created what was later called the Russian cross!
    my great-grandfathers in families had 5-6 children (adults), my grandfathers had 3, my parents 2, my brother 1, I still wear a cross
    1. Nuar
      Nuar 10 October 2012 13: 22
      +5
      Quote: mongoose
      I have more
      I swear, you'd better use condoms. Children - sorry crying
  5. apro
    apro 10 October 2012 11: 26
    +1
    Well written and nothing to add.
  6. mongoose
    mongoose 10 October 2012 11: 29
    -9
    the appointment of a woman is a family! it is to give birth and raise children! instead of laying sleepers and flying into space!
    and the peasant to work and earn money for his family! but only with the Soviet regime this is not possible! before the revolution, the worker, having received qualifications at the factory, fully earned himself both for renting a house, with the subsequent purchase of a house, and the maintenance of a wife with a bunch of children, the "Soviet power" of workers and peasants "deprived the Russian peasant of this opportunity
    cool, probably promoted a gay person?
    1. DEMENTIY
      DEMENTIY 10 October 2012 11: 49
      +9
      Dima.
      You got carried away dear.
      In the war, and the children behind the machines died, not only women.
      Therefore, you have a chance to sit here to write smart posts about the useless state of the USSR.
      Raise the statistics (in the bastard write the obvious) by how much, that Russia, that Ukraine shed the population.
      Under blissful capitalism should be noted.
      1. mongoose
        mongoose 10 October 2012 12: 16
        -7
        into the war! and in the 20s? thirty-? Was the same war? against your own people?
        and do not teach a mentor tone! teach better than your teach!
        but for my chance to sit here my grandfathers fought! despite the executions of his father and brothers at his father's father! dispossessed and died of hunger created by the Bolsheviks in the Volga region of my mother's father's relatives! so keep the "giver" nishtyakov, your opinion to yourself
        1. DEMENTIY
          DEMENTIY 10 October 2012 12: 29
          +11
          Keep still nishtyak - offended.
        2. Rezun
          Rezun 10 October 2012 13: 35
          +5
          Quote: mongoose
          for my chance to sit here my grandfathers fought


          Some fought, or next to mine? And what fought, not those PPSh that my grandfather's aunt wiped with a rag?
          You do not Mongoose-You are different ...
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 10 October 2012 12: 08
      +4
      Quote: mongoose
      man to work and earn a family!

      Dima, you have so much time on the site, and every day. When you have time to work, and if it's not a secret, then by whom. Maybe I can retrain.
      1. mongoose
        mongoose 10 October 2012 12: 28
        -6
        I'm already the boss laughing besides, in the office only before lunch, and by the way, how did you end up here?
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 10 October 2012 13: 19
          +5
          I hope not Chukotka. And I’m Dimochka IP, and in addition to everything, I’m retired, so God himself told me to monitor your activities, because you carry the cross and remember it in vain.
        2. aksakal
          aksakal 10 October 2012 14: 03
          +4
          Quote: mongoose
          and I’m already the boss, moreover, in the office just before lunch, and by the way, how did you end up here?

          - Speak in 1971. That is, when they entered the university, there was still an iron curtain, and they graduated from the Soviet university according to Soviet educational standards? No, I ended up believing that you are the boss thanks solely to your personal qualities and solely thanks to yourself, your beloved -))))))). I often hear this from twenty-year-old boobies heading huge corporations, I also willingly believe them -))))). And I believe you. The USSR didn’t help you at all, you simply have to answer him with hatred, and with drool, that even my monitor is dirty -)))). Yes, okay, I’m not proud, I’ll wipe it with a napkin from your saliva, but it’s a shame - you’re not kicking the body of the untimely deceased kicking -))))) I do not believe !!!!!! More expression !!!! More like him there? - drive !!!!!
          Let's try again! You will succeed -)))
    3. Konrad
      Konrad 10 October 2012 20: 54
      0
      [quote = mongoose] the appointment of a woman is a family! it is to give birth and raise children! instead of laying sleepers and flying into space!
      and a peasant to work and earn a family!
      + + + + + + + That's right!
      1. SHILO
        SHILO 13 October 2012 13: 47
        0
        stasik, and this is for you!
  7. Aventurinka
    Aventurinka 10 October 2012 11: 33
    +9
    It is not sad, but in conditions of complete satisfaction of needs, human society begins to heal, fatten and degrade ... request
    This is a kind of payment for comfort ... People-creators and people-producers are not held in high esteem, on the top of public veneration chatterboxes and entertainers ...
    Therefore, such people who are described in the text and are lost among the general mass. And they themselves are embarrassed, because they are not fashionable or prestigious ...
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 10 October 2012 11: 43
      +5
      Aventurinka, I completely agree with you, our heroes became heroes! Journalists and singers, directors and actors. figlars from labor - Stakhanovites (although people themselves are worthy of respect)
      not the generals-defenders of the Fatherland, not the ruler who pulled the country out of ... but the 90s! and the buffoons from "politics" are the Udaltsovs, bulk Nemtsovs and other Zionist rabble!
      they look at a person with a large family as an idiot, and then they groan that the pension is small and there’s no one to work with!
  8. mar.tira
    mar.tira 10 October 2012 11: 34
    0
    What ???? Like my wife
  9. Che
    Che 10 October 2012 11: 41
    +5
    Yes, today's young people cannot be compared. In Soviet times, what is now called civil marriage was called cohabitation. The man became a roommate. And now proudly - a civil husband. There was a substitution of concepts. Naturally, I see here the influence of the western decaying culture. Or maybe the purposeful work of our enemies. Article +++
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 10 October 2012 11: 46
      0
      so civil marriage is a registry office! and marriage is to the Church laughing
      the Bolsheviks themselves reduced the sacrament of marriage to a journal entry,
    2. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 10 October 2012 12: 29
      0
      In everything we are to blame, when we choose the Duma, such laws are written, the TV screens are completely dirty, porn, blood, and that the Duma, and she ......... the PViZh is busy with its own affairs, to raise the content for our beloved ones, to appoint a pension with indexation. Soon we will have it like in Finikov, you will give a dunce a slap in the turma, and he will be in the orphanage, and the official will get a bonus! Lafa !! Officials do not think about the country, only about the dough! The eternal question: What to do? For corruption, 20 years of shooting with confiscation was not conditional, but real, otherwise the fine was taken! Did Medvedev invent this for himself? Wake up people !!!!!
  10. Z.A.M.
    Z.A.M. 10 October 2012 12: 06
    +11
    Great article ... Nostalgic sadness ...
    A low bow to all women of the USSR.
    .................................................. ..............................
    ...........

    Can I imagine: my mother (born in 1938), aunt (born in 1928), grandmother (born in 1906) strolling with a stroller, with a cigarette in her mouth, with a can of beer in her hand, with mats by phone or with girlfriends ... This, even men did not allow themselves ... Bullshit .... And this is now a reality ...
    And the article is excellent, I remembered my relatives as young, cheerful and purposeful. To what? Yes, at least for the better life of their children ...
    They still believed in it ...
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 10 October 2012 12: 30
      +2
      with a cigarette in your mouth? look at the old Moscow chronicle of the 20s, you will see
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 10 October 2012 13: 06
        -1
        Well, why did you write this right now, they will tell you that there was a world of fairies who ate a rainbow and pooped butterflies.
    2. montemor
      montemor 10 October 2012 14: 22
      0
      Do you know from what times the expression-powder nose went and what was meant by that in those days? stop
  11. 8 company
    8 company 10 October 2012 12: 44
    0
    On the whole, Soviet women were, of course, more chaste than they are now, and more ... how shall I put it ... overwhelmed, or something. They had to stand in lines after work, then go to the house - wash, cook. There were no indesites or microwaves. While working, they still managed to escape somewhere and get something out of the deficit. Not surprisingly, with such a load, some of them said, "We have no sex!"
    1. Uruska
      Uruska 10 October 2012 14: 44
      +4
      I remember the video bridge in which the woman said that there is no sex in the USSR. Then people immediately understood what she wanted to say. The word is western ... I still believe that sex is couples vomiting vseravno with anyone and in any way. But when you are with your beloved woman ... it's love! ... (in an extreme case, intimate relationships).
    2. darkman70
      darkman70 10 October 2012 19: 08
      +2
      In the USSR, during the perestroika period, it was specifically porn that was called sex, and not relations. Posner on the video bridge set up that woman simply.
      1. Konrad
        Konrad 10 October 2012 20: 59
        -3
        Quote: darkman70
        Posner on the video bridge set up that woman simply.

        Well no! It was just an indicator of our overcrowding at that time!
        1. Che
          Che 11 October 2012 10: 50
          +1
          Konrad,
          Posner specially organized everything in order to present the Union in an unfavorable light. That businessman.
  12. polly
    polly 10 October 2012 12: 57
    +4
    You can not consider women in isolation from the whole people. The entire Soviet people - this was a phenomenon that was not subject to concepts embedded in foreign minds!
    It was not without reason that so much effort was spent to humiliate and destroy these people, and even now they don’t spare the money of their filthy greens! But what about women ... There is no morality in the whole society, the role of a man of labor is generally belittled. summer girls are already dragging in a model!
    1. Konrad
      Konrad 10 October 2012 21: 02
      0
      Quote: polly
      .All the Soviet people-it was a phenomenon that was not subject to concepts embedded in foreign minds!

      "You can't understand Russia with your mind .." Very true!
  13. Vanek
    Vanek 10 October 2012 12: 59
    +3
    A lot has been written about the work of women during the years of World War II.

    Granny spent the whole war in the field, at STZ "Stalinets" she plowed, sowed, etc. fields. But I, at the age of 28, first saw him (Stalin) only in the museum. In Novosibirsk, there is an open-air museum, where it stands. The suspension, or rather its absence, is replaced by a hefty spring under the driver's seat. Like this.

    For the current generation. Nephews, that one is 20, the second is 21, so this year they were able to: -Oh MIRACLE-dug up potatoes. First time in life.
  14. serge
    serge 10 October 2012 13: 04
    0
    Women then are like women now. "People are like people. They love money, but it has always been ... Well, they are frivolous ... well, well ... ordinary people ... in general, they resemble the old ... the housing issue only spoiled them .. . "
  15. leon-iv
    leon-iv 10 October 2012 13: 11
    0
    Today’s women “want to live for themselves”, therefore children are sometimes considered by them as a burden, as an irrational waste of money.
    This is a myth that is actively planted.
    There is such a nuance.
    1 Hormones take their toll and Any woman wants a child (unlike men)
    2 Shift of childbearing age If, ​​for example, 1 child was born before at 19-22, now at 24-25 it is bad on the one hand, but not on the other. Why not at 25, a woman is already more consciously approaching raising children.
    1. Aventurinka
      Aventurinka 10 October 2012 14: 19
      +2
      I agree completely with
      Quote: leon-iv
      Why not at 25, a woman is already more consciously approaching raising children.
      .
      But there is a nuance. 24-25 for the birth of a baby is normal. But if the second is about to give birth, it is already 30 and older. So the third one can already be discussed with a huge correction for problems with the woman’s health, which is directly transferred to the health of the child being born ... plus purely physical fatigue reduces this desire ...
      It turns out that the increasing shift in childbearing age significantly reduces the chances of an increase in population.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 10 October 2012 14: 25
        0
        But there is a nuance.
        Nope, our godmother works at http://www.niimid.ru/, and so the child-bearing age is shifting, but that doesn’t interfere with bearing children. Tk medicine is still developing. And if there is a desire, then at 50 they normally carry it. In general, you need to take care of yourself.
        1. Aventurinka
          Aventurinka 10 October 2012 15: 22
          +4
          Bearing may not interfere. But having a baby is not enough. For the period of transition of the child, the age of the mother will be 60-65 years. Considering that at this time the woman should already be retired, and she will have to work to provide the teenager with an acceptable life in material terms and the average age that women live to is 73 years, in most cases, the life of such a woman will be reduced ...
          It turns out that in the best case, such a mother will be able to ensure the child is admitted to a university, but nothing else. And we are not talking about grandchildren, even in theory, it will be rather a rare exception. Or the provision of a "late-born" child will fall on the shoulders of earlier children, which may not please them or their families (I do not consider an example that they will not do this in this case)
          I describe here the average situation, not excluding the possible absolutely positive examples.
          And I do not paint the charms of the process of growth and development of the child, in which many, many forces, nerves and health are also invested.

          And it is the realization that they will no longer be able to raise a child, conscious women and stops.

          Quote: leon-iv
          In general, you need to take care of yourself.

          It is necessary, it is necessary, but if there is a child, caring for him is a priority for any woman. And I won’t even go to a paid clinic for an examination (t-t-t is not necessary yet) if my child’s needs are not resolved. Not to mention treatment. And there are no periods with children when they don’t need anything at all.

          I express my opinion, with respect to yours.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 10 October 2012 17: 25
            0
            Bearing may not interfere. But having a baby is not enough.
            Well, this is a rare case, so let’s leave the family there very well-off which the head of the family holds in a pair of gloves.
            And I do not paint the charms of the process of growth and development of the child, in which many, many forces, nerves and health are also invested.
            Yes, I’m somehow aware of the two. That's just what I can say most of the problems are far-fetched and aimed at making money.
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 10 October 2012 14: 54
        +3
        Quote: Aventurinka
        But there is a nuance. 24-25 for the birth of a baby is normal. But if the second is about to give birth, it is already 30 and older. So the third one can already be discussed with a huge correction for problems with the woman’s health, which directly translates into the health of the child being born ... plus purely physical fatigue reduces this desire ... It turns out that an increasing shift in childbearing age significantly reduces the chances of an increase in the population

        - adventurous, clever, plus! And by the way, this is one of the components of the current demographic problems in Russia. As they say, I’d like, after the first or second I realized that children are super-duper, and the train left age is not the same))).
        The second component is
        Quote: leon-iv
        This is a myth that is actively planted.
        - this is not a myth, I often read it on the forums, I often hear it from friends and in general I come across this too often. In the USSR, I have never heard such things! I first heard it just before the collapse, probably from this, from such chagrin. Union and collapsed!
        I recently had a third born - there were congratulations - it would be better not to congratulate. With such, you know, regret, or what? Like, poor, that's stuck, but he knows how to use preziks, and how is he now? I climbed into hard labor myself! - all this was clearly read in the eyes -)))) Well, I do not care, but all this was read in the eyes of .... women! The men simply rejoiced and drank, without any second thoughts.
        Quote: leon-iv
        Hormones take their toll and any woman wants a child (unlike men)
        - one, for yourself, and that's it! And by the way, I don’t want to get married - to hell? One child was enough for me, it was also not enough for him to be too old -))))). The current people are not able to deal with peasants, the Soviet ones were able to, but the current ones are not. Therefore, type men have disappeared -))). My manages to me, gouging through life, somehow predicting my bad intentions, for example, getting drunk with friends, but for most it is a problem.
        Leon, not quite right
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 10 October 2012 17: 22
          -2
          As they say, I would like, after the first or second I realized that children are super-duper, and the train has gone the wrong age))).
          For this, life needs to be planned and not drifted as a substance.
          I first heard it just before the collapse, probably from this, from such chagrin. Union and collapsed!
          As an option .
          With such, you know, regret, or what? Like, poor, that's stuck, but he knows how to use preziks, and how is he now?
          In my circle of friends this is not accepted. Yes, and I do not care about their opinion. I have a plan of my own and one adopted.
          The non-current ones are not able to cope with the peasants, those Soviet were able, but the current ones are not.
          I felt like a bull-calf))))
          Therefore, type men have disappeared -))).
          Og, and those who are smarter and have children and build a career.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 10 October 2012 18: 05
            +3
            Quote: leon-iv
            For this, life needs to be planned and not drifted as a substance.
            - you can plan something. to plan is to assume. And who knows? Annushka - a Komsomol member and a car driver - can somehow be provided for in the plans? And even more so to plan a meeting with a loved one by all means of such a date of such and such a month and the birth of a child from him laughing laughing Are you talking about?
            Quote: leon-iv
            I first heard it just before the collapse, probably from this, from such chagrin. Union and collapsed! As an option .
            - One of the reasons for the collapse is a sharp increase in consumer sentiment at the same time as a sharp increase in the decline in morality. Thank you for agreeing at least on this evidence -))))
            Quote: leon-iv
            In my circle of friends this is not accepted. Yes, and I do not care about their opinion. I have a plan of my own and one adopted.
            - I admire your plans, my respect without any jokes good drinks . A strange coincidence - I have the same plans, I don’t have, say, dreams, for plans - see my first paragraph. In my dream come true tongue , now I’m gonna pick up my breath on
            Quote: leon-iv
            one reception
            . Well, the circle circle - discord, not all circles you have the opportunity to choose. And I don't give a damn either - I already wrote it.


            Quote: leon-iv
            I felt like a bull-calf))))
            - I understand, but I'm still surprised. The person (including the woman) follows an easier path. That is, making a career is an easier task than learning how to manage your hubby very competently and subtly? Well, like "if I said football, then football!" " Sweet -....?" "But I said to my mother-in-law - it means to my mother-in-law!" Not a bull, but nevertheless a very complex and even advanced, sometimes kicky object of control and manipulation laughing laughing Need to revive this school - laughing
  16. wow
    wow 10 October 2012 13: 35
    +7
    Yes, Soviet women were normal, absolutely normal. And they knew how to love their guys and their husbands respected and raised their children well, unlike many of the current ones.
  17. NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR 10 October 2012 14: 24
    +1
    After the 90s, the entire post-Soviet space is being brought up by television, which shows an example of a "good" life.
  18. rexby63
    rexby63 10 October 2012 14: 31
    +5
    Many thanks to the author. The time when mom and dad were young is always remembered and will be remembered with fondness. And women, well gentlemen, comrades, we have made a lot of "efforts" so that Soviet WOMEN become racial, panimash
  19. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 10 October 2012 15: 11
    0
    That's what Soviet women were like, 1964 of the RSFSR 5,6 million abortions.
    total abortion from 1957 to 1991 - 161 million abortions.
    "democratic" Russia:
    1991-2011, 41 million abortions.
    202 million abortions.
    Thank you for the high morality of Soviet and Russian women, and special thanks to the woman’s reproductive law.

    I look forward to stoning.
  20. aksakal
    aksakal 10 October 2012 16: 13
    0
    Quote: Mr. Truth
    This is what Soviet women were like, 1964 RSFSR 5,6 million abortions. total abortions from 1957 to 1991 - 161 million abortions "democratic" Russia: 1991-2011 41 million abortions. 202 million abortions. Thank you for the high morality of Soviet and Russian women, and special thanks to the reproductive rights of women. I look forward to being stoned.

    - I did not understand anything from the statistics. 202 million - to what period does it belong? Can I decompose it more clearly? From here we already decide what weight the stones should be selected -)))).
    And waiting is often better than the process itself -))))
  21. Ares1
    Ares1 10 October 2012 17: 15
    +6
    A friend had a grandmother - Valentina Lukinichna, the Kingdom of Heaven is her! She was the daughter of a priest. Suffered because of this in childhood - peers pester. She was raised by a family in worship of God. I have never heard from her that the Soviet regime is bad or anti-people. She said that it was bad that the temples were destroyed and added that it was a Jewish venture. She worked all her life. In the field and in production. Fought - in a tank column and ended the war in Berlin. I waited for the great-great-grandchildren and until my death kept a sobriety of mind, which some young people lack. 3 hours before her death, she bathed herself, dressed in a funeral home and called her grandson with a message - come, I’ll die today ... A man devoted his whole life to his homeland, children and even at the time of death did not want to burden anyone - and not out of pride, but out of love for children, grandchildren. And she brought up her daughter - the honored teacher of the USSR, grandchildren the smartest people - physicists, journalists, historians, geographers ... And instilled in everyone a love for the motherland, extraordinary decency, enormous industriousness. All her descendants are outstanding and honest people. And Valya’s grandmother died in 103 years of life ... These are the women who keep Russia from the abyss.
  22. understudy
    understudy 10 October 2012 17: 38
    +4
    To the campaign, Mongoose is an elementary troll provocateur with childish grievances for a lollipop taken away at the entrance. Well, okay, I didn’t want to say about him ...

    I had long since gotten rid of sentimentality, I became angry, uncompromising ... but I read the lines and there was a lump in my throat. After all, this is said about my grannies and my mother, about simple, inconspicuous nuns ... The kingdom to them is heaven.
  23. anfreezer
    anfreezer 10 October 2012 17: 48
    +4
    There were times when our women had no time to engage in family coziness ... And it is good that then the Soviet authorities brought them to this test through the heroization of labor, through all these OSOAVIAHIMY, through various school courses, etc. I’m not saying that today's women’s girls are completely different, but it’s somehow hard to imagine that if we happen to pull them out of office clubs request Which, incidentally, already applies not only to women ...Yes, there were moments, like centuries.
    It’s hard to remember. -
    Enough only strength, patience, -
    mother repeated a little inaudibly.
    When the dawn was still dozing
    and the roosters slept soundly
    she, weakened, got up
    to the crazed beeps.
    She was twenty-seven incomplete.
    Introducing a Siberian blizzard
    in the hut
    she fell, remember
    barely undressing on the bed.
    Tired of the day incredibly
    she whispered as yesterday:
    - I could have time to rest for the night, -
    and calmed down until morning.
    It only became clear to me after:
    them women like mother
    persistent
    heart ordered
    in the rear
    Country
    Save
    (Vladimir Abrosimov)
  24. The gentleman
    The gentleman 10 October 2012 18: 06
    +1
    in terms of having many children ... yes, there was a time when there were many children in the family, but now, before you have a child, you think if you can support them, if you can. Maybe that's why today not all families decide Has many children?
  25. bubla5
    bubla5 10 October 2012 19: 10
    +1
    Education was just going on so that the children of 60-70 did not know the need, then it was passed on further. You see for yourself — the yoke of a whole generation.
  26. mox
    mox 10 October 2012 20: 56
    -6
    An article for the magazine "Rabotnitsa", but not as "Military Review"!
    Mongoose - 5 points, excellently trolled :)

    For site editors. I propose topics: Soviet girls, Soviet men, Soviet children, Soviet pensioners and pioneers, as well as Soviet premarital relations. :)
    This is what you are looking for on the Voennoye Obozreniye website !!!
  27. Horde
    Horde 10 October 2012 23: 19
    +1
    "A woman is guided by the feelings of the fallen nature, and not by prudence and spiritual reason, which are completely alien to her. She has reason - a service instrument of feelings." (St. Ignatius Brianchaninov. Vol. 5, p. 317). http://orthodox.patrio.org.ru/ischuschem...e-sovetyi-sovremennyim-hristianam-3.h

    tml
    "If her father, having heard, forbids her, then all her vows and vows that she has imposed on her soul will not be fulfilled, and the Lord will forgive her, because her father forbade her." (The fourth book of Moses. Numbers, 30: 6)
    "If what was said is true, and virginity is not found in the girl, then let the young woman be brought to the door of her father's house, and the inhabitants of her city will stone her to death, for she did a shameful deed in Israel, having committed fornication in her father's house; and so destroy evil from among you. " (The fifth book of Moses. Deuteronomy 22: 20-21)
    "If anyone commits adultery with a married wife, if someone commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, let both the adulterer and the adulteress be put to death." (The third book of Moses. Leviticus, 20:10)

    the truths of which are thousands of years old, no one canceled
    http://bolshoyforum.org/forum/index.php?topic=44867.19540

    The whole problem is that Russian men do not control themselves and their women. As I already wrote that uncontrolled women are much more dangerous for the state and the nation than all the trash-degenerates, Jews, atomic wars combined. A nation that does not control its women is doomed to death, complete assimilation by other peoples, the modern Russian nation, Russia and Ukraine are examples of this. Over the past 100 years, Slavic women have killed, massacred about 500 of our brothers and sisters in abortion clinics, few Russians are giving birth, and a huge number of all kinds of cattle, criminals, alcoholics have been spread (while the country needs Tchaikovsky, Dostoevsky, Lomonosov ...) , non-Russian, possessed children and prodigies (about 000 Jews and prodigies live on the territory of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, they, together with their goy friends, destroy Russia), thereby destroying the Slavs, because the light, blue-eyed and green-eyed Slavs are really all only 000-30% of the population. They give birth to a large number of various kinds of carrion and at the same time they are sentenced to their husbands: "Well, Seryozha, can you add some more vodka?, Let's have a glass of wine!" If it goes on like this, then no one will survive ...
    http://bolshoyforum.org/forum/index.php?topic=44867.19540
  28. schapchits
    schapchits 12 October 2012 22: 29
    0
    Mongoose probably wants to become a minus marshal smile