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An American journalist announced the defeat of the tug of the Russian Navy by a Harpoon missile, citing the Pentagon

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An American journalist announced the defeat of the tug of the Russian Navy by a Harpoon missile, citing the Pentagon

The military department of the Kyiv regime declares the sinking of the Russian tug "Vasily Bekh" fleet. Allegedly, the Harpoon anti-ship missiles were used as a means of destruction, and the shelling of the ship was recorded from the Bayraktar TB2 drone.


As explained, the tug at the time of the strike of two anti-ship missiles was 20 miles from Zmeiny Island, which is located near the Black Sea coast, controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. After the statements of the Kyiv authorities, Dan Lamothe, an American journalist working for The Washington Post, published his own insider on social networks, citing an unnamed Pentagon official:

The Armed Forces of Ukraine hit a Russian Navy tugboat with at least one Harpoon missile, the US Department of Defense points out, confirming Ukraine's claims. According to [anonymous] official, the US did not supply these missiles to Ukraine, although they are of American origin.

Judging by the open information about the supply of weapons to Kyiv from the West, this means the use of Harpoon anti-ship missiles, previously transferred to the Armed Forces of Ukraine by Denmark. At the moment it is not clear to what extent these statements are true. If necessary, an official commentary from the RF Ministry of Defense will follow.

"Vasily Bekh" belongs to the class of tugs of project 22870. It was introduced into the Black Sea Fleet in 2017. The crew of the ship is 26 people.


The published footage raises doubts about the fact that it was the Harpoons that were used. There is currently no official confirmation of the data on the loss of the tug from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
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  1. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 18 June 2022 08: 57
    +5
    I think that if they had hit with a "harpoon", the ship would have sunk immediately. He has a warhead - 220 kg. Apparently hit something smaller, but where and how? And why did the tug go without an escort?
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 18 June 2022 09: 02
      +12

      Swift did not sink, a small transport vessel struck by anti-ship missiles with warheads of 150-200 kg
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 18 June 2022 09: 14
        0
        150 kilos and 220 - is there a difference? Yes, and the design of the ship is somewhat different. I think the rocket passed "to take off" and the warhead worked from the other side, outside the hull.
        1. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 18 June 2022 09: 23
          +4
          150 kilos and 220 - is there a difference?

          On the scale of thousand-ton ship designs - no
          I think the rocket passed "to take off" and the warhead worked from the other side, outside the hull.

          If you are talking about swift, then the warhead worked normally, riddling the body with large fragments (similar to the warhead as in the photo).

          Photos of the padded swift - a lot, from any angle
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 18 June 2022 09: 11
      +11
      There is a video from Bayraktar, not this zoom. There are open coordinates. On them about 110 km. Brimstones don't fly as far as RBS-17s.
    3. private person
      private person 18 June 2022 09: 46
      +21
      Apparently hit something smaller, but where and how? And why did the tug go without an escort?

      Well, yes, then the tugboat would possibly have remained intact and the attack was carried out along the escort. MO remains silent. In general, the Ministry of Defense does not like to admit losses and defeats.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 18 June 2022 09: 59
        -61
        Quote: private person
        Apparently hit something smaller, but where and how? And why did the tug go without an escort?

        Colleagues! What are we discussing here?
        An obvious victory for the Ukrainian Navy is to save 800 American money for the sinking of a Russian tugboat, which is not even worth a tenth of this money - well, isn’t it a win?
        Pure, as they say in Ukrainian judo, win.
        1. baik11
          baik11 18 June 2022 10: 03
          +52
          Are people trash?
          Or is the ship sailing on its own? Is there an explosion without human casualties?
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 18 June 2022 10: 06
            -36
            Quote from: Baik11
            Are people trash?
            Or is the ship sailing on its own? Is there an explosion without human casualties?

            Will you tell the senior sergeant of the Airborne Forces about people-garbage, who himself drove people 18 times to combat?
            1. baik11
              baik11 18 June 2022 10: 30
              +35
              I tell this to a person who, all the more, should feel the value of human life, if 18 times people have been driven into combat.
              But for some reason he prefers to discuss the cost of pieces of metal instead.
            2. visitork67
              visitork67 18 June 2022 19: 42
              +1
              Why were people? Check it out in rubles or checks. And that is not very clear. Count according to the rules of arifetiki. And don't dishonor the valiant NCOs, accountant.
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 18 June 2022 19: 53
                -2
                Quote: visitork67
                And don't dishonor the valiant NCOs, accountant.

                I won't disgrace.
                For 18 combat I have 19 losses. I remember everyone by name and throughout the former Soviet Union I still help mothers.

                There is nothing to blame me. And whoever was not there - let him not climb with his sticky paws where it is not worth climbing.

                Yes, and not an accountant. My sister is the chief accountant. I am the general manager.
            3. vdv_555
              vdv_555 21 June 2022 12: 50
              0
              I remember many "Corporals" of the Airborne Forces and double basses for an urgent time. But on August 2, everyone is freaking good
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 22 June 2022 22: 05
                0
                Quote from: vdv_555
                I remember many "Corporals" of the Airborne Forces and double basses for an urgent time.

                I am not a corporal. You confused the Soviet Army with the US Army. Maybe you forgot which army you served in?
                I am a senior sergeant of the Airborne Forces. And for every breath he was ready to report to the company commander.
                But not in front of you on the entire Internet.
        2. private person
          private person 18 June 2022 10: 06
          +8
          save 800 thousand American money for the sinking of a Russian tugboat, which is not even worth a tenth of this money

          So the tugboat is just the beginning, so to speak, shooting, and yes, it wasn’t just that it was there, but most likely delivered something to the island. And nothing is said about the crew, but it's 26 people.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 18 June 2022 13: 21
            +1
            But nothing is said about the crew, but it's 26 people.

            33 crew and passengers reported 23 wounded and 10 missing.
        3. Dikson
          Dikson 18 June 2022 10: 22
          +20
          Your hat flew off when they threw it up, along with your brains, ...
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 18 June 2022 10: 25
            -7
            Quote: Dikson
            Your hat flew off when they threw it up, along with your brains, ...

            I don't have a hat.
            I have a blue beret. And there have been no brains under him for 35 years already - in Chirchik, in training, a hand-to-hand instructor knocked out.
            1. Dikson
              Dikson 18 June 2022 11: 05
              +24
              Respect to you .. for a healthy sense of humor and self-criticism .. And for a blue beret - three times the size .. But in fact - take a look at the price tag of a civilian rocket, more than 20 of our sailors died there .. ((tell them to the children too, about the fact that their fathers were killed by a piece of iron for 800 thousand dollars, and that this is no loss?
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 18 June 2022 11: 22
                +4
                Quote: Dikson
                tell their children too, about the fact that their fathers were killed by a piece of iron for 800 thousand dollars, and that this is no loss?

                As I was taught in the army, as my father taught me, who fought on four continents - ANY life of ANY soldier has the highest value. And it doesn't matter if it's a beast from the special forces or the last Uzbek from the OBATO. Confirmation - two holes in my chest. And the boys that I covered.

                The conversation is not about that.
                I mean that if you serve the Motherland, be ready to die for the Motherland. And speeches about "poor orphans" are all in favor of the poor. For almost 30 years, my mother didn’t know not only the place where my father is currently located, but she didn’t even always know the continent. And nothing - I waited and believed that I would return. Well, I'm with her.

                Therefore, I consider it not entirely correct to tell me what to say to the wives of the dead sailors. We have special people in the military registration and enlistment offices who know what to say to both wives and children. They get stars and salaries for that business.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 18 June 2022 13: 23
                  +3
                  I mean that if you serve the Motherland, be ready to die for the Motherland. And speeches about "poor orphans" are all in favor of the poor

                  Timokhin in his telegram wrote that a civilian crew served in tow in peacetime
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A 18 June 2022 13: 32
                    -3
                    Quote: alexmach
                    Timokhin in his telegram wrote that a civilian crew served in tow in peacetime

                    Who cares? If I have been a civilian for more than three decades, can someone forbid me, if necessary, to lay down my head for the Motherland?
                    1. Looking for
                      Looking for 18 June 2022 14: 02
                      -6
                      So why are you here talking about your non-existent heroic adventures. And not putting your head for your Motherland in the NWO?
                2. Dikson
                  Dikson 18 June 2022 13: 59
                  +3
                  Your point of view is clear and understandable. It is tough, but it has a real, conscious and lived basis. Let it be. But in this particular case (specifically in the situation with the tug), you are wrong ..
            2. Bshkaus
              Bshkaus 18 June 2022 11: 46
              +3

              I don't have a hat.
              I have a blue beret. And there have been no brains under him for 35 years already - in Chirchik, in training, a hand-to-hand instructor knocked out.

              I see you have too much bravado, so I will answer your comments at once.
              You put your cap on the shelf until August 2, or put it on your head and on foot columns to the Izyum fronts.
              You won’t surprise Nikono with two holes in the chest, there are many shelled here even without you. I, too, in the years of turbulent youth, had complete depressurization at an altitude of 18 km, and I lost my hearing and near Bucha with Irpin on the front line I managed to be under fire. One "general of sand quarries" is worth something (by the way, you need to find out if he is still alive, otherwise that's the point).
              And how many sons of the fatherland have perished in the VO since the 14th year, you can’t count, no one will remember what their names were already.
              So be glad that your head didn't fly off and you can now write memoirs. And then, if you follow your logic, then if you died on one of the tasks, then to hell with you, not the first, not the last, and it doesn’t matter what your name is.
              If only the wife would tell the children what a hero dad was.
              So stop talking disparagingly about losses. First of all, these are PEOPLE, not meat! And if the tug was sunk, then there are victims, there are widows and there are orphans.
              1. Orkraider
                Orkraider 18 June 2022 13: 54
                0
                Quote: Bshkaus
                and I lost my hearing and near Bucha with Irpin on the front line I managed to be under fire.

                Whose side were they on the front line?
                I remember that you left for Ukraine, I don’t remember that you were returning ..

                1. Bshkaus
                  Bshkaus 18 June 2022 15: 33
                  -10
                  I remember that you went to Ukraine

                  It is quite logical that if I went to live in Kyiv, it is natural that I was in the territory controlled by Ukraine. I do not hide this and wrote many times about what I saw with my own eyes and why the Russian troops left there ...
                  Moreover, if you look at my comments dated earlier than February 24.02, you will see that my assessment of the processes taking place in Ukraine and my forecast of the development of events as a whole turned out to be correct.
                  I am still ready to understand that, for some reason that was still incomprehensible to me, public opinion in the Russian Federation thought otherwise, but it remains to be seen what finger and nose the foreign intelligence service was picking.
                  There is an opinion (not only mine) that all the conviction that the Russian Federation will be greeted with flowers is one huge fraudulent pyramid organized by a bunch of marmots-Medvedchuk-SVR.
                  The first rolled the theory of the Russian world, the second depicted vigorous activity on the ground creating left-wing (on paper) cells of sympathizers, and the third "confirmed the effectiveness of underground organizations." Billions were allocated for this, which were stolen and sawn. One problem: none of them suspected that their "fairy tales" would inspire Himself so much that he would decide on a full-scale deployment of troops.
                  I repeat, I have no other logical explanations, because Ukraine really sharpened knives for 8 years.
                  I don't remember coming back..

                  Thanks for your interest, much appreciated. I really didn’t return, but quite unexpectedly for myself I ended up in Slovakia, just when my 2-year-old daughter got to the hospital in Kyiv, no one asked anyone, but stupidly evacuated (in mid-March there was a meat grinder in the north-west of Kyiv. Some unknown details for example, I myself found out only yesterday, they were told to me by "neighbors" from a neighboring street, whom I registered at the migration center.
                  1. private person
                    private person 18 June 2022 19: 08
                    0
                    Some unknown details, for example, I myself found out only yesterday, they were told to me by "neighbors" from a neighboring street, whom I registered at the migration center.

                    Can you elaborate, so to speak, the view of events from there from the opposite side?
                    1. Bshkaus
                      Bshkaus 18 June 2022 23: 57
                      -8
                      Can you elaborate, so to speak, the view of events from there from the opposite side?

                      Not all at once, otherwise they write a lot and can be banned for a month, as in the first days of the war)))
                      I won’t talk about how it all started at 4 in the morning, they just started massively waking up the whole of Kyiv.
                      On the 1st day, at about 13-14 hours, about 20 helicopters with landing troops entered Gostomel, 4 of them were shot down, I don’t know if they managed to land people or not. At the same time, 2 Ka52s were shot down, one is now on Wikipedia. sat on the field, and the second fell into the water, there is only one photo with a parachutist. Whether these 2 ka52s were included in those 4 shot down, or they were shot down separately, I don’t know either.
                      Regarding the first battle in Gostomel: it is not far away, so we heard the battle, at first they hit the VKS helicopters, I understood this by synchronizing the publication of news in the cart and incoming videos. After about 20 minutes, a Ukrainian MiG 29 and Su-24 passed over the house at low level, in fact there were several 24s and they, so to speak, gouged everything there. By evening, as it got dark, in Kyiv, air defense crews were already fully deployed right on the wastelands and parking lots, and the special forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine finally cleared the Gostomel airport and posted pictures from there. The newspaper Vzglyad also did not lag behind and prematurely published an article that Kyiv was taken ...
                      So I realized that something went wrong. Gostomel the first days passed from hand to hand.
                      But just do the Ukrainians let the columns through Irpen, undermined the bridges behind them and destroyed them. Then they blew up the dam, so that life would not seem like honey, and they began to beat on the troops who had rested in the river. And it would be okay from the side of Kyiv, they began to press them hard from the side of Zhytomyr, and from the MTR of the ZSU, the rear was cut off in terms of supply and the northwestern group was actually surrounded. I know these roads and rivers, so I understood what, where and how. What was on the other side of the Dnieper from Chernigov, I know worse, because the places are unfamiliar. But there, too, the marching columns were made, but they did not control the territory, so they also began to destroy the supply, and 300 km is not a joke.
                    2. Bshkaus
                      Bshkaus 19 June 2022 00: 12
                      -7
                      Can you elaborate, so to speak, the view of events from there from the opposite side?

                      The Vasilkovo airfield was also unsuccessfully taken on the next. day. I took the first family to the subway and in the morning I told my neighbor (a Turkmen, this is also not his war) that he would take booze and take everyone to us in the subway. No, damn it, I went to Vasilkov ...
                      The fact that the Ilys took off, Kyiv knew for 2 hours and they were waiting, they say two were shot down, but there are no remains, maybe they were damaged. In short, when the landing force landed, they also immediately began to gouge from all sides. This was just the most dibly idea - the airfield is far from Kyiv, and they landed in the very lair without the right to reinforcements. There the fighting went on for two days, the neighbor and his family remained alive, and that's fine. I have no idea where all the paratroopers have gone, no one connected with the northern group, and a week later electric trains were already running through Vasilkov, I myself passed through those places to evacuate by train. Where are the paratroopers, think for yourself ...
                      In short, everything from A to Z was originally through F, as if ZSU did not exist. There were a lot of dibile decisions, but the point? I traveled to Ukraine for 8 years, I saw that they were sharpening knives, preparing seriously. I got some cons here. Is it my fault that in Russia they came up with a virtual reality for themselves, that there is no such country, and in general, they will meet with flowers - they didn’t meet ...
                      1. private person
                        private person 19 June 2022 08: 35
                        0
                        I traveled to Ukraine for 8 years, I saw that they were sharpening knives, preparing seriously. I got some cons here.

                        Well, yes, people became generals for these minuses, they wrote all 8 years that we would lift the whole country in 2 days. But in the end, as a result of the stupid decisions of our General Staff of the Russian Federation, we lost a lot of our guys. Well, why and who needed this cavalry attack in the direction of the Kuevs, which, apart from losses, did not bring anything.
                      2. Li17
                        Li17 19 June 2022 18: 20
                        0
                        Thank you colleague, unfortunately on both sides the information of witnesses goes against the cheers-cries of the authorities, as I see it is not approved, judging by the minuses ... Well, at least they don’t jump with insults here, on the Ukrainian forums there it’s already ... And to everyone walking and fighting ... Let's remember the first Chechen, where one regiment ....
                      3. Bshkaus
                        Bshkaus 20 June 2022 18: 11
                        -2
                        Thank you colleague, unfortunately, on both sides, the information of witnesses that runs counter to the cheers of the authorities, as I see it, is not approved, 

                        When I was leaving Ukraine, I talked at the checkpoint with border guards and SBU officers, while they were waiting for an answer to a request for my soul, they also admitted that the losses were large, but then they were still less than ours, because. they burned the columns on the march, but this is completely different. Now, the same consumption goes along the way: in some areas of the Russian Federation it rakes, in others, on the contrary, ZSU.
                        By the way, we must pay tribute to the fact that both the military and the SBU treated me with understanding and did not particularly touch me, on the contrary, they were even afraid that a hair would not fall from my head and helped. They have a clear instruction there, that citizens of the Russian Federation legally located on the territory of Ukraine on February 24.02 with a residence permit and families should be checked, but not touched. Although I had to stand at the border for an hour ((
              2. vdv_555
                vdv_555 21 June 2022 12: 54
                0
                You do not compare your mabut "I also survived" and the landing with 18 combat and 19 losses.
                1. Bshkaus
                  Bshkaus 21 June 2022 15: 39
                  -4
                  You do not compare your mabut "I also survived" and the landing with 18 combat and 19 losses

                  Only regret, everyone chooses a profession.
            3. Looking for
              Looking for 18 June 2022 13: 55
              -1
              you would be silent - it’s disgusting to listen to your boast. - you know that the Internet and "your" marshal's shoulder straps will digest.
            4. Luenkov
              Luenkov 18 June 2022 16: 44
              0
              Chirchik!... But the approach to the fact that 30 people walk on the trough is worth it.
        4. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 18 June 2022 10: 28
          +21
          I think that the tug costs more than 800 tons of bucks. The vessel is new, 2017 commissioning + special equipment on board. And most importantly - people.
        5. Johnson Smithson
          Johnson Smithson 18 June 2022 10: 48
          +13
          800 thousand American money to sink a Russian tugboat, which is not even worth a tenth of this money

          uh what? you made a mistake with the cost by 600 times
          each such tug costs 3 billion rubles, which is 50 million dollars

          The Astrakhan Shipyard, a branch of Zvyozdochka, built and in December 2018 and handed over to the Navy the tugboat Captain Guryev. In the contract, the price of the vessel was agreed at the level of 2,7 billion rubles, however, due to changes in the exchange rate, the final cost turned out to be 241 million rubles higher
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 18 June 2022 11: 05
            -5
            Quote from Johnson Smithson
            uh what? you made a mistake with the cost by 600 times

            I ask forgiveness for Ashipka - I'm not a naval officer, I'm a hereditary airborne one, and I'm more accustomed to running around the mountains with the AKS by the army than sorting out the price of tugboats.
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        6. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus 18 June 2022 11: 24
          +5
          An obvious victory for the Ukrainian Navy is to save 800 American money for the sinking of a Russian tugboat, which is not even worth a tenth of this money - well, isn’t it a win?

          This is a RESCUE vessel with a bathyscaphe and a pressure chamber complex, which, together with auxiliary equipment, is of greater value than, say, a serial small missile boat of the Veliky Ustyug type, which, judging by the photos of the grabbers, is also.
          In this case, not a certain number of millions of dollars were sunk, but the ability to conduct rescue operations at depths of up to 60 m.
          I understand that life has never been valued in our country, and women have always given birth again, but we must somehow move away from this atovistic view and think more progressively.
          And the second value / win for Ukraine in sinking the tugboat lies in the clear message “we control the sea and can pile on people”, the ability to sink Russian ships significantly hinders the capabilities of the Russian Navy.
          It's strange that you don't understand this.
          1. Repellent
            Repellent 18 June 2022 11: 34
            +3
            Quote: Bshkaus
            And the second value / win for Ukraine in sinking the tugboat lies in the clear message "we control the sea and can pile on"

            And the third side of this "medal" is that someone very much interferes with the control of the RF Armed Forces over Zmein. It interferes so much that the worst partners do not hesitate to almost directly harness themselves to this "battle for the forester's hut."

            It's kind of weird that no one mentions this here. request
            1. Bshkaus
              Bshkaus 18 June 2022 12: 55
              -4
              And the third side of this "medal" is that someone is very much hindered by the control of the RF Armed Forces over Zmein. 

              Excuse me, but you wanted something different? The war is what war is, that both sides have their own point of view, which, to put it mildly, does not suit the enemy.
              Maybe all our ships were sunk for the reason that someone thought that the enemy had no right to defend himself, and we should be afraid simply because we want to?
              It interferes so much that the worst partners do not hesitate to almost directly harness themselves to this "battle for the forester's hut."

              Why doesn't he mention it? Who yelled the most that NATO would immediately bring down the frontiers of the 97th year and threaten with a military response?
              And who stamped his foot and threatened to "repeat"?
              You wanted a war with NATO? Here, hurry up, any whim for your money.
              Just do it strange that everyone was so threatened to fight with NATO, and now they whine that NATO is helping Ukraine with weapons. You have to be muzhiks and once you have undertaken to reformat the world, then do it silently
              1. Repellent
                Repellent 18 June 2022 13: 01
                -4
                Quote: Bshkaus
                Who yelled the most that NATO would immediately bring down the frontiers of the 97th year and threaten with a military response?
                And who stamped his foot and threatened to "repeat"?
                You wanted a war with NATO ?, here, hurry up, any whim for your money

                O! The nightingale's voice finally cut through ... and here where - I will not say laughing

                Quote: Bshkaus
                whine that NATO is helping Ukraine with weapons

                Nobody whines. And it's not about helping with weapons:

                Quote: Repellent
                the worst partners do not hesitate to almost directly harness themselves to this "battle for the forester's hut"

                Harpoons (which, presumably, worked) served ukrozoldats? Don't make me laugh, I beg you tenderly...
              2. SklochPensioner
                SklochPensioner 18 June 2022 17: 25
                +3
                Quote: Bshkaus
                Do you want war with NATO?

                They really wanted to, they couldn’t eat right). A little confused, who climbs to the borders of Russia, who got his filthy snout into your "Ukroira"?
                Quote: Bshkaus
                and now they whine that NATO is helping Ukraine with weapons

                Take it easy on the turns, uncle. Watch your language.
                Quote: Bshkaus
                once undertook to reformat the world, then do it silently

                Gold words. What is being done, without advice and forecasts from Slovakia.
                1. Bshkaus
                  Bshkaus 18 June 2022 17: 39
                  -9
                  Gold words. What is being done, without advice and forecasts from Slovakia.

                  if you want, I can pay for a ticket to Rostov or Belgorod, buy individual equipment, there are good berets, armor, socks, T-shirts, I would share premium class family shorts (I keep my own small production) but war is the thing, workers across Europe fled, who the production of "Gucci" is practiced, who else where.
                  And of course, I will keep my fingers crossed for you, the country just needs heroes, they even removed the 40-year age limit for contract service
                  1. SklochPensioner
                    SklochPensioner 26 June 2022 14: 47
                    0
                    Quote: Bshkaus
                    if you want, I can pay for a ticket to Rostov or Belgorod,

                    Listen, asshole, (word replacement is inevitable, so the havnuk will probably miss the autocensor))). I, unlike you, do not work here. I come in from time to time, but today I saw your bleating. Usually you alternate your whining and whining with aggression and attacks on Russia. So. Sink in / on the w / x. Your stink is not needed HERE.
              3. Terenin
                Terenin 19 June 2022 09: 36
                +2
                Quote: Bshkaus
                Who yelled the most that NATO would immediately bring down the frontiers of the 97th year and threaten with a military response?

                No need to drive over potholes Unlike some, Putin does not yell at all.
                A letter was sent to NATO and there was plenty of time to think.

                Quote: Bshkaus
                You wanted war with NATO? here, hurry up, any whim for your money.
                Yes, we wanted to fight with you.

                Quote: Bshkaus
                And who stamped his foot and threatened to "repeat"?
                If the repetition had not begun, you would not have shouted on the site in all topics that the Russians were losing.
          2. Luenkov
            Luenkov 18 June 2022 19: 30
            0
            Now everyone understands that no ships with grain go there. Sending something without air defense is at least strange.
        7. Rudkovsky
          Rudkovsky 18 June 2022 16: 48
          +1
          Is $800k a lot? Pennies.
      2. PN
        PN 18 June 2022 10: 05
        +14
        Other "sources" write that Thor was on the stern of the tug and that there were not 26 (as in this article), but 33 people on board. Probably +7 people this is the servant Thor. We will wait for Kanashenkov's official statements.
        1. composite
          composite 18 June 2022 12: 00
          0
          Thor was on the stern of the tug

          Its export price is indicated from 30 million dollars
        2. Grits
          Grits 18 June 2022 13: 13
          +8
          Quote: PN
          We will wait for Kanashenkov's official statements.

          Let's not wait. Konashenkov does not like such statements. He will not be able to explain how a country that does not have a fleet managed to drown and damage a bunch of ships of the Black Sea Fleet
          1. avg avg
            avg avg 18 June 2022 14: 43
            +2
            And where does the fleet?
          2. Ka-52
            Ka-52 20 June 2022 06: 14
            +1
            He will not be able to explain how a country that does not have a fleet managed to drown and damage a bunch of ships of the Black Sea Fleet

            if you tried to think before writing, you could easily remember how a naval power like Great Britain lost 2 frigates, 2 destroyers, 1 landing ship in a microscopic military conflict near the Falklands (and could lose more). From Argentina, a country whose weak fleet was partially destroyed and partially locked up in the port of Ushuaia.
        3. -Paul-
          -Paul- 18 June 2022 14: 50
          0
          There will be no official statements by Konashenkov on this issue. At least until the end of SVO.
        4. Luenkov
          Luenkov 18 June 2022 19: 33
          0
          TOR... aft? Where is infa from?
      3. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 18 June 2022 10: 23
        +3
        The attack would go along the escort. But, the escort has a detection radar, electronic warfare and jamming systems, air defense systems. And the tug has nothing, unless the Thor on the aft deck was in active mode.
        1. private person
          private person 18 June 2022 10: 43
          +7
          But, the escort has a detection radar, electronic warfare and jamming systems, air defense systems.

          "Moscow" also had a lot of things, but nevertheless it did not help. The enemy should not be underestimated, because it was known in advance about the delivered missiles, but they did not fall into the report on the destruction.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 18 June 2022 13: 53
            -3
            at "Moscow" all this was quite old, "Osa" no longer corresponds to reality at all. And not the fact that it was all in working order. And they used everything that you can imagine against her. And a satellite, and an aircraft (UAV) AWACS, and "Bayraktar" and it's not yet known what.
      4. Hamman
        Hamman 18 June 2022 16: 58
        -1
        I read in one place that 2 more boats were with a tugboat, after a shelling, they hastily retreated to Romanian waters.
      5. vladcub
        vladcub 18 June 2022 20: 59
        -2
        "does not like to admit losses and defeats" is always like this: victory has many "fathers", and defeat is "orphans".
    4. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 18 June 2022 11: 19
      0
      Quote: TermNachTER
      I think that if they had hit with a "harpoon", the ship would have sunk immediately. He has a warhead - 220 kg. Apparently hit something smaller, but where and how? And why did the tug go without an escort?

      But the question does not arise why our air defense did not work? In connection with the ships, you come to the conclusion that it does not exist at all, or it is not effective. After all, this is no longer an isolated case, but with the same deplorable result for us. Neither electronic warfare works, nor radar, to warn of a missile attack.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 18 June 2022 13: 55
        0
        If the tug went without an escort, then what kind of air defense does it have? Unless the "Thor" was in an active state, but taking into account the superstructure and other structures on the deck, the "dead zones" are very large.
        1. SKVichyakow
          SKVichyakow 18 June 2022 14: 02
          -2
          Quote: TermNachTER
          If the tug went without an escort, then what kind of air defense does it have? Unless the "Thor" was in an active state, but taking into account the superstructure and other structures on the deck, the "dead zones" are very large.

          It can only have an Arrow or a Willow.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 18 June 2022 20: 01
            0
            This is not air defense, this is complacency, very dangerous for life and health.
        2. Luenkov
          Luenkov 18 June 2022 19: 36
          0
          + pitching on the go.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 18 June 2022 20: 02
            0
            It has a displacement of almost 2000 tons and the weather was not very fresh, I don’t think that it was pulling hard. But the superstructure - yes, it is a big infection, it covered almost 180 degrees.
            1. Luenkov
              Luenkov 18 June 2022 21: 02
              0
              From the "back door" and flew in ... Tamara walks in pairs, you see, - not Tamara Was
    5. Cananecat
      Cananecat 18 June 2022 11: 22
      +4
      Quote: TermNachTER
      Apparently hit something smaller, but where and how?

      Norwegian anti-ship missiles were delivered earlier. They are smaller and faster. There is a version that Moscow was sunk by them.
  2. Arkady007
    Arkady007 18 June 2022 08: 59
    +25
    In addition to the Americans, this information is being played all day long by UkrSMI. If this is true, why are ours silent? In general, judging by the silence about the victories on the air yesterday, not everything was good. This is already evident frankly.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 18 June 2022 09: 07
      +29
      Quote: Arkady007
      everything was fine.

      SPIEF is coming! Putin speaks! How could it be bad! repeat
    2. nnm
      nnm 18 June 2022 09: 12
      +16
      Zelensky said that we also gave them the Nazi Taira.
      What, in general, for ....?!
      1. Letun
        Letun 18 June 2022 09: 16
        +39
        Quote: nnm
        Zelensky said that we also gave them the Nazi "Secret".
        What, in general, for ....?!

        Denazification... It's about her from the central channels they told us that she killed the parents of two children, and she herself, trying to impersonate their mother, wanted to get out of the environment?
        PS Does anyone else have doubts that the British mercenaries will be exchanged?
        1. nnm
          nnm 18 June 2022 09: 19
          +2
          Yes, about her.
          1. Arkady007
            Arkady007 18 June 2022 11: 56
            0
            And not only her. More alarming how they go after the release. Like heroes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqlXbtHPKIw
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 18 June 2022 09: 23
        +1
        And if they gave it away, for our pilots! Will you also swear?
        1. nnm
          nnm 18 June 2022 09: 36
          +32
          I will too. Because there are pieces that cannot be exchanged. We already have more than 7 thousand of their prisoners. So we will go about their wishes? And tomorrow they will say that not one of ours will be returned until we return the mercenaries sentenced to death to them. We should dictate terms, not the other way around.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 18 June 2022 09: 42
            +1
            And if it’s from there, or she or no one? I was beside myself with this news yesterday. Now it’s already lowered. We won’t have another widow. Go to the news in any town and read the news, today the townspeople said goodbye ...,
            1. nnm
              nnm 18 June 2022 09: 49
              +15
              Colleague, unfortunately, we are not playing with toys. And if we make concessions on at least one issue, then we will do it all the time.
              I understand that Ukraine will not stop either at the torture of our prisoners or at their murder. For them, this is the norm.
              But in my opinion, in such situations, the actions of Vympel in Beirut are much more effective than the policy of indulging the desires of Ukraine.
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 18 June 2022 10: 22
                +3
                Does the down jacket in the photo bother you?
                It confuses me. We must wait.
                1. sheet
                  sheet 18 June 2022 12: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: tralflot1832
                  Does the down jacket in the photo bother you?

                  And a mask on the face of one person wink
                  Yes, and she would have been “interviewed” on all channels for a long time, like Nadia.
                  1. tralflot1832
                    tralflot1832 18 June 2022 12: 56
                    0
                    Everyone figured it out, sitting waiting for the verdict. They work competently. We are waiting in tow, it was not a professional stuffing from the photo. Someone decided to hype.
                    1. Third district
                      Third district 18 June 2022 13: 46
                      +2
                      Quote: tralflot1832
                      All figured out, sitting waiting for the verdict.

                      You can link that you figured it out.
                    2. Looking for
                      Looking for 18 June 2022 14: 14
                      +3
                      what did you figure out. This Tyra is an odious person. so the photo could have been taken at any time.
            2. Dilettante grandfather
              Dilettante grandfather 18 June 2022 10: 07
              +22
              Or her, or no one? So, no one. There is a war going on. The Nazis must not be released under any circumstances. We let go - it means that there is no point in CBO. Neither in denazification, nor in advancement at the front. Those released/exchanged will either return to the front, or, after our victory, they will return to their old ways. And this exchange, even if we save some of our guys, levels out the statements about the fight against Nazism. What's the point in fighting them at all if we let them go back so that they continue their dirty work?
          2. no better place for
            no better place for 18 June 2022 18: 03
            -2
            And you do not admit at all that it was originally a lie about the abuse?
        2. Letun
          Letun 18 June 2022 10: 44
          +12
          Quote: tralflot1832
          And if they gave it away, for our pilots! Will you also swear?

          Azov people will also be exchanged. And then they and this Taira will simply laugh out loud at Russia. They will again take up arms, and they know how to fight, as recent history has shown.
          We were here declared denazification as the main goal of the SO. So what kind of denazification is this? Mobilized to denazify? Or, as the comrade already correctly wrote, there is no one else to exchange for? We are told about thousands of prisoners.
          I just don't know what to believe after hearing this news...
          1. Alex Barrett
            Alex Barrett 19 June 2022 08: 57
            +2
            The example of Taira, and before that Savchenko, who was sentenced to death, then to life, and after 2 years she was already in Kyiv, shows that not everything that is shown on TV is true. In fact, it is necessary to take into account a purely practical point, because if you start shooting prisoners en masse, then no one will surrender. Of course, the commanders will be shot, and even that is not a fact
            1. BastaKarapuzik And
              BastaKarapuzik And 19 June 2022 09: 36
              0
              with Savchenko it turned out fine in general.
              Sitting in a Russian prison, she brought Kyiv more benefits than walking under the walls of the Verkhovna Rada. Which she then almost blew up.
            2. Letun
              Letun 19 June 2022 13: 21
              0
              Quote from: Alex Barrett
              Not everything that is shown on TV is true.

              Come on! laughing
      3. sheet
        sheet 18 June 2022 09: 55
        -4
        Quote: nnm
        Zelensky said that we also gave them the Nazi Taira.
        What, in general, for ....?!

        Do you believe green? sad
        1. nnm
          nnm 18 June 2022 09: 58
          +10
          I don't think he has much faith in himself either. But the silence on our part is alarming
        2. private person
          private person 18 June 2022 10: 31
          +5
          Do you believe green?

          Well, of course, there is no faith in green, but I personally do not quite trust our official applicant for the MO either.
          1. sheet
            sheet 18 June 2022 11: 51
            +2
            Quote: private person
            Well, of course, there is no faith in green, but I personally do not quite trust our official applicant for the MO either.

            And what did the MO say about the taira, can you tell me?
            1. private person
              private person 18 June 2022 13: 01
              -3
              And what did the MO say about the taira, can you tell me?

              Have you heard anything the MO said about this at all?
              1. sheet
                sheet 18 June 2022 14: 05
                +2
                Quote: private person
                Have you heard anything the MO said about this at all?

                About tayrun, no, and you, apparently, too, although you hastened to express your distrust on this issue to the Moscow Region. Therefore, I asked why Zelensky was believed immediately, without a doubt.
      4. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 18 June 2022 10: 13
        +2
        Quote: nnm
        Zelensky said that we also gave them the Nazi Taira.
        What, in general, for ....?!

        They gave it in exchange, I wonder who they exchanged it for. So this "nedobaba" inveterate Nazi and for good should have at least received a quarter of a century in prison. Dill on the ears with joy. News here -
        https://www.politnavigator.net/vidnuyu-nacistku-iz-azova-vzyatuyu-v-plen-v-mariupole-po-tikhomu-otdali-kievu.html
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 18 June 2022 10: 27
          +1
          Look at the photo above, how high are the degrees in Kyiv right now?
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 18 June 2022 10: 53
            +7
            Quote: tralflot1832
            Look at the photo above, how high are the degrees in Kyiv right now?

            But who can tell them there, whether they are hot or cold. They can not only wear down jackets in the summer, but also carry pots on their heads in the winter instead of hats with a clang. I gave a link to the news, and it's up to you to believe or doubt hi
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 18 June 2022 10: 56
              0
              I saw it yesterday. hi
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 18 June 2022 09: 17
      +20
      The day before yesterday and yesterday there were very sensitive strikes on the rear depots of the allied forces.

      In the red beam, they hit the rear warehouses - it was torn for more than a day.


      In Donetsk, not only civilians were covered, but military facilities too. Well, the peaceful people were also seriously covered yesterday, just during Putin's speech. The calculation is clear, to pull forces out of the pocket for Donetsk, or to stimulate unrest.

      Also covered the Hurricanes battery.




      Well, in general, artillery and shells were brought to the pocket enough and now they deliver quite painful blows.
  3. Sandor Clegane
    Sandor Clegane 18 June 2022 08: 59
    +4
    Yes, it was a harpoon, a harpoon!
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 18 June 2022 09: 44
      +13
      Yes, it was a harpoon, a harpoon!
      If they say it, then so it is allowed and is. Only now this already means that NATO troops attacked the Russian ship from the territory of Ukraine. Jews usually do this. Only now why don't we start sinking NATO ships from the territory of Belarus. Well, or at least the same Ukraine. Or again it will be the same as with the shelling of Russian territory. They shoot at us as much as they want, but we are kind (traitors) not in return, there are people there, unlike those who are dying with us.
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 18 June 2022 10: 36
        +7
        Quote: Rusticolus
        Only now why don't we start sinking NATO ships from the territory of Belarus. Well, or at least the same Ukraine.

        It is necessary to deprive the Svidoucres of the sea coast. From Vilkovo to the border with the Russian Federation .. The mouth of the Danube, Odessa, Ochakov, Nikolaev .. must be taken. There is no sea. There is no interest in Ukraine of all Western interests. Leave the neck of the Chop bottle .. This is the only way to correct the situation.
        1. Grits
          Grits 18 June 2022 13: 21
          -2
          Quote: 30 vis
          It is necessary to deprive the Svidoucres of the sea coast. From Vilkovo to the border with the Russian Federation .. The mouth of the Danube, Odessa, Ochakov, Nikolaev .. must be taken. There is no sea. There is no interest in Ukraine of all Western interests. Leave the neck of the Chop bottle .. This is the only way to correct the situation.

          Necessary. Only with each drowned ship, the amphibious landing on Odessa is pushed further and further. And most likely, there will be no landing. Ukrainians with NATO missiles have shown that this is a useless and adventurous business.
          Something does not come out in any way a stone flower ...
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 18 June 2022 14: 04
            0
            Regarding the landing on the coast of Odessa, I saw an amusing video here just now, how one naughty Odessa went to swim on a mined beach .. in general, they collected bloody lumps on the shore with a shovel .. So there can be no landing there ..
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    1. Kesha1980
      Kesha1980 18 June 2022 09: 10
      +4
      It seems that they exchanged for a Serbian sniper girl with the call sign Bagira.
      The second option is for our pilot (1 or 2).
      In short, not yet known.
      1. Nemorum
        Nemorum 18 June 2022 09: 24
        +3
        Bagheera was killed long ago.
        1. Vasilyevich Pensioner
          Vasilyevich Pensioner 18 June 2022 09: 58
          +7
          “The truth is that Serbian citizen D. L., who appears in the news as Bagheera, was arrested in October 2020 and is serving a sentence of six years in prison in Pozarevac, so it is excluded that she participated in the events in Ukraine and was taken prisoner, ”the Serbian Interior Ministry said in a statement. It emphasizes that the photo of the “Serbian sniper” published on social networks depicts another woman.
  5. Irek
    Irek 18 June 2022 09: 06
    -12
    And the Pentagon took information from ....
    1. nnm
      nnm 18 June 2022 09: 13
      +7
      It would be great if it turned out to be a "newspaper duck". But for some reason ours are silent.
    2. AAK
      AAK 18 June 2022 10: 36
      +2
      But we have no "ducks" and fakes, only absolutely honest and verified silence ....
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 18 June 2022 09: 08
    +4
    An American journalist announced the defeat of the tug of the Russian Navy by a Harpoon missile, citing the Pentagon
    . That is why no one wants to risk storming an enemy coastline protected by anti-ship missiles.
    1. nnm
      nnm 18 June 2022 09: 14
      +14
      Because this must be done immediately before the defense is saturated with anti-ship warfare.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 June 2022 09: 19
        +3
        A lot of things had to be done at once, BUT!
        Now there is a lot of information for reflection and that work to level the threats that already exist!
        People are not gods, they do not know how to foresee everything and always.
        This is not an excuse, but food for thought!
        Even if the conclusions were correct ....
        it's a necessity!
        1. nnm
          nnm 18 June 2022 09: 34
          +3
          Colleague, I do not agree. Are we discussing some incredible discovery? Instead, it's the rules. To understand them, you do not need to lose flagships. They were written in blood long before us. And we rewrite them at the cost of new losses.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 June 2022 09: 49
            +6
            Well, yes, they didn’t discover Newton’s binomial!
            I would bring a well-known, tough saying about .... generals and the lives of soldiers, they won’t praise him for him, or even put him in a corner ...
            I am interested in many things, but most importantly, what conclusions were made and what decisions will be made to correct the situation???
            So, the giraffe is big, he knows better ... but the doubt gnaws, but does that giraffe have good eyesight ??? soldier
            1. nnm
              nnm 18 June 2022 09: 55
              +9
              After "Moscow", it seems that the giraffe is completely blind. Best case scenario.
      2. Graz
        Graz 18 June 2022 09: 54
        +10
        because it is necessary to lure to the bait, they sent the bait, hung a drone or reconnaissance satellite over the area. prepared iskandars. and as soon as they work on the bait. there is target designation from a drone or satellite to Iskander or KR.
        And the fleet has already worked poorly for some time
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 18 June 2022 10: 01
          +9
          Do not hope that the enemy ... or advisers / partners are dumber than us.
      3. Grits
        Grits 18 June 2022 13: 25
        +4
        Quote: nnm
        Because this must be done immediately before the defense is saturated with anti-ship warfare.

        Right. it was necessary not to arrange useless landings on Gostomel, but to land marines in Odessa until they came to their senses. Now it's too late. We've been cut off the air everywhere. it remains only to peck each other with artillery. It seems that our General Staff is not capable of anything else. Apparently, they are not trained in any other military science.
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 18 June 2022 14: 07
          -3
          What grandfathers decommissioned from combat units as teachers of academies taught our generals, so they fight .. Time and technology do not stand still, and strategy and tactics do not have time .. (Therefore, it remains to fight, as in 1943-45 ..
  7. DenVB
    DenVB 18 June 2022 09: 09
    +18
    Bayraktar again. This time, apparently, he gave target designation. Absolutely useless Bayraktar, according to our uryakalok.
  8. Blacky
    Blacky 18 June 2022 09: 10
    +11
    that’s not the point at all, I just sat down and looked at YouTube from the side of English-speaking users. And there all the videos are purely about the victories of the Ukrainians. Ukraine forces", played with words, tried to find some kind of our victories in English. But the output is always the same. Russians lose, destroy them, etc. and more videos are repeated. Here you have freedom of speech and freedom of material on YouTube the same. To the English in YouTube shows only how our boys are wetted. I don’t know what algorithm is there, but I think this topic works. An interesting question. In fact, YouTube should then be banned on the territory of the Russian Federation.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 18 June 2022 09: 26
      +3
      Quote from blacky
      The British in YouTube show only how our boys are pissed off. I don’t know what algorithm is there, but I think this topic works. An interesting question. In fact, YouTube should then be banned on the territory of the Russian Federation.

      In English - yes. In Russian - for everyone. Well, who places the truthful information in English? RT? So they ban her everywhere at once ...
    2. ligatura
      ligatura 18 June 2022 09: 43
      +12
      It is not just youtube. Our media ( in Czech ) show only that part of story if it doesn´t fit the narrative. And narrative is: Russia is bad - so only negative news from Russia or about Russia. If I want to read the other part of the story, I have to find the russian web sites such as this one. Web sites which would write favorably about Russia are banned. I can no longer read news on RT (Russia Today) because it is banned. West did not like how RT was writing about topics, that are not favorite to write about in local countries - simply because they are creating problem for local narrative. Like Brexit in UK. Migration, public debt, shadow government and imperialistic ambitions in US. Or federalist stranglehold on EU countries. But this is common in every country. We simply have our own problems. For west it is ok to attack Russia through the media and smear russian problems in global mass media ( and in the same time make sure, that there are not other topics which should show Russia in favorite or even better light than any of the western country But Russia can´t do the same to the west. This is why special operation is so good for West - now they can ban (and did it) RT.
      1. iz odessy
        iz odessy 18 June 2022 12: 29
        0
        I will write in Czech because I read that we are talking about the Czech segment of YouTube. He once taught as part of the tasks of the future war of the Warsaw Pact with NATO - Neni v uvedenom tady blokovani, nic zvlastneho. Jimenuje se to - kontrideologicka prace. V Rusko to existuje porad, otazka jina -proc "perfektni EU" si dovoluje metodu despotickich statu? Proc si nedoverzuje vlastnimu obyvatelstvu jako ruskim rebelam a blbcam ? je to k smichu takova saskova politika , ostuda
      2. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 18 June 2022 19: 15
        0
        It's the same in Australia. Russian channels are banned. Such is freedom of speech in the West.
        West turned into ward number 6.
        1. sheet
          sheet 18 June 2022 19: 30
          0
          Quote: Alex Justice
          freedom of speech in the West.

          I would say "freedom to lie". In Sweden just now it was broadcast on the radio that in Mariupol people are being forced(!) to work for food. A former resident of Mariupol, who fled to Kyiv, spoke about this “flagrant” fact in pure Russian, by the way. lol
    3. Lutens
      Lutens 18 June 2022 09: 46
      +5
      They seem to shoot several times more than ours. But the quality of the video is often such that you don’t understand who flew in (probably civilian video equipment is used) after that they present it as their victory. The day before yesterday they say it was shot down, .From such frames it is clear that a crocodile was shot down, but whose it was not clear. From our side, Indonesia or someone from there often shoots. It seems that Ukrainians are better equipped with video equipment and more often sit on the Internet.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 18 June 2022 09: 59
        +1
        Firstly, this is on stream, in the sense that each unit reports, otherwise the conditional Taras Chmut or another volunteer will not come and will not bring additional goodies (drones, communications, equipment, transport, etc.).

        Secondly, they have a more modern Twitter media. When you don’t have to wait for permission from the headquarters of the formation or the arrival of a military correspondent, but Stugna fired back, hit the box and posted it on Twitter. Footage from the UAV was recorded, posted, etc.

        Thirdly, commercial UAVs of the same DJI type are mainly used, and with a completely modern body kit, for example, the operator conducts reconnaissance of the column in VR. Again, recording footage from such is easier.


        Fourth, again, this is encouraged by the command. Particularly successful commercials are dumped into national broadcasting, summaries of their versions of Konashenkov, etc.

        As for who was shot down, you can see who there. In a fuller video, one MANPADS went to traps on the second helicopter, and this one either ran out or let Marlet go.
        1. Johnson Smithson
          Johnson Smithson 18 June 2022 10: 57
          +1
          reconnaissance columns in VR

          this is not VR, but an FPV drone, they are only controlled with glasses, due to the high speed
    4. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus 18 June 2022 12: 07
      0
      that’s not the point at all, I just sat down and looked at YouTube from the side of English-speaking users. And there all the videos are purely about the victories of the Ukrainians. Full calculation, okay, I think

      My research assistant taught me this: efficiency is measured by RESULT.
      Let's look at the results of the Russian Defense Ministry for 115 days of the war:
      Moscow was sunk, the BDK was sunk, Vasily Bokh, it seems, was also sunk, Veliky Ustyug was a bit broken, the raptors were sunk on trifles. The troops were withdrawn from near Kyiv, only Mariupol and the only regional center Kherson were captured. In Bryansk they seized, in Belgorod we also seize from under a brace. Promotion in the Donbass is very slow. For comparison, the USSR liberated the entire left-bank Ukraine in 4 months, and now compare the Wehrmacht army and ZSU. Against the backdrop of the silence of the RF Ministry of Defense, doesn’t it seem strange to you?
      Where are all the videos with the defeat of the ZSU? how is it that the Ukrainians publish the broken columns of the Russian Defense Ministry in the trash (especially in the 1st month), and the Russian Federation will not really show how the KA52 works on targets, and the Ukrainians are truly fascists, every now and then they publish how the ka52 falls, or Mi28.
      Personally, on the 3-4th day, I got the impression that something went wrong from the very beginning. Even though I knew it would be
      1. Repellent
        Repellent 18 June 2022 12: 18
        -2
        Quote: Bshkaus
        Let's look at the results of the Russian Defense Ministry for 115 days of the war

        Let's. The enemy has no aviation (episodes do not count), there is practically no air defense, except for MANPADS, everyone who comes to hand is being thrown into the army (from a good loss situation, obviously).
        Gold - in the cauldron, Severodonetsk, Lisichansk + ... - practically in the same place, Slavyansk-Kramatorsk - get ready.


         map

        Everything is still bad, about my "Slavatsky friend"? wink
        1. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus 18 June 2022 13: 15
          +2
          Let's. The enemy has no aircraft

          Let's see. Why are you shaking the database map in front of my nose?
          Is this the success of the 2nd army of the world, who decided to kick a handful of Nazis in a country that is breathing its last?
          Why isn't it funny?
          Air defense, except for MANPADS - practically not

          The other day, only Mi24s were shot down, half of the issued missiles are shot down, the airborne forces do not enter the airspace, 4 months they cannot break the supply routes from Poland, attack aircraft on the front line only work from the cabriolet and fly below the grass, according to your PPO of Ukraine does not exist?
          everyone who comes to hand is being thrown into the army (from a good situation with losses, obviously).

          Officially, ZSU losses are up to 100 hours / day, only coffins for some reason go to the Russian Federation. Almost a million of them have now been called up under arms, but they are untrained, but they lack weapons, but they are studying and waiting for lend-lease, quantity is turning into quality. But what our grouping of 200 will do with at least 500, without having mobilized at home, is incomprehensible to me, because sooner or later they will rush into a counterattack. From Kyiv, too, not retreated from a good life (for a second).
          Gold - in the cauldron, Severodonetsk, Lisichansk + ... - practically in the same place, Slavyansk-Kramatorsk - get ready.

          Well, listen to Kadyrov, it will just be scary there.
          That's when they are not "practically", but "in fact", then we will talk.
          But even here there is no need to yell that the "village" was surrounded, is this all that the 2nd army of the world is capable of?
          The potential that the Russian Federation had was enough to take Kyiv in three weeks, but someone decided that Ukraine would meet with flowers and decided to take it in three days.
          Zadolbal already nothing unreasonable patriotism. From the fact that you are shouting here that everything is going according to plan, the Russian Federation will stagnate in one place if they don’t just drive back. There are problems, there are serious miscalculations and mistakes, they need to be solved, and not shout that everything is fine with us. No, and the result does not at all correspond to the stated plans, hat-throwing has already played a cruel joke
          1. Repellent
            Repellent 18 June 2022 21: 21
            +1
            Quote: Bshkaus
            I do not understand

            Keyword. Well, live with it.. I wanted to explain. Bye hi
    5. Suomynona
      Suomynona 18 June 2022 12: 25
      +1
      You don't have to bang him. Helps out at work sometimes. Although I made a reserve of a video archive for such a case
    6. Looking for
      Looking for 18 June 2022 14: 22
      +2
      absolutely correct. I make a request - Russia wins Ukraine. Gives videos - Ukraine wins Russia.
    7. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 18 June 2022 19: 06
      0
      I'm stunned! Google secretly changes Russian to Ukraine in search. Why is Russia silent on the manipulation?
  9. Artur Loginov
    Artur Loginov 18 June 2022 09: 19
    +8
    Everything! Our humanists began to exchange Azov Nazis. https://t.me/istorijaoruzijaZ/9175
  10. Egoza
    Egoza 18 June 2022 09: 24
    0
    The flagship of the American periodical USA Today was forced to withdraw more than 20 publications about the special operation and the victories of the Armed Forces of Ukraine because of the revealed facts.

    Maybe here too? The Ukrainian media are constantly lying. And then such an unexpected blow: they refused to hold Eurovision in Ukraine! "The country is crying!" So we decided to cheer up with all sorts of fakes.
  11. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 18 June 2022 09: 26
    +3
    It looks like trouble with the tug, during this time they would have reached Novrossiysk. The sea, water in a glass.
  12. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 18 June 2022 09: 26
    -1
    The military department of the Kyiv regime announced the sinking of the tug "Vasily Bekh" of the Russian fleet. Allegedly, Harpoon anti-ship missiles were used as a means of destruction.


    Well, Americans, as always, can lie, but everything is possible.
    About a month ago, it flashed on the net that Norwegian anti-ship missiles NSM (Naval Strike Missile) appeared in Ukraine. Such anti-ship missiles are available in the USA, Poland and Germany, very effective missiles with a combat weight of 120 kg.
  13. K-50
    K-50 18 June 2022 09: 26
    -7
    To fire at an unarmed ship, this is so Ukrainian, as well, and the Nazis were "carried away" by this. Teachers and mentors ukroreikh.
    and pin dos nikam will still shed with burning tears of their supply of weapons to kuev. Russia can also supply its weapons to countries that, to put it mildly, do not like pin dossiyu. and then the cargo "200" will go to Fashington! yes angry
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 18 June 2022 09: 51
      +3
      Shoot at an unarmed ship, that's so Ukrainian
      Are you sure that the Ukrainians did it? How to learn how to use such weapons is not a matter of a couple of days. And not even a couple of months. If it was really a harpoon, then it means only one thing. NATO troops attacked our ship from the territory of Ukraine.
      1. K-50
        K-50 18 June 2022 10: 15
        -2
        Quote: Rusticolus
        Are you sure that the Ukrainians did it?

        Who cares? belay
        All the same, the pin dosniks owe Russia a lot with their intervention. Starting from the collapse of the Union and up to the present time.
        And the time will come to pay the debts. But Fashington is unlikely to be pleased with the price of the debt.
        1. Rusticolus
          Rusticolus 18 June 2022 10: 27
          +8
          Or maybe it’s enough to put it off until later and balabolize in vain. Maybe it's time to actually do something? And then one gets the opposite impression that the leadership simply has a thin gut.
      2. Grits
        Grits 18 June 2022 13: 42
        +7
        Quote: Rusticolus
        NATO troops attacked our ship from the territory of Ukraine.

        Then it turns out that in Vbetnam, when our anti-aircraft gunners shot down "flying fortresses", the USSR attacked the United States from the territory of Vietnam?
        Now it’s too late to wind snot on your fist and cry - we knew what we were going to and with whom we would have to fight, there’s nothing to whine now. Remember how on New Year's Eve we angrily threatened NATO with our fingers - they say, go away, damned ones, otherwise we will show you how! Showed? As it turned out, we are not ready to fight not only with NATO, but also with an average European country, a mockery of all Western citizens. Who considered us the second army in the world. Now they don't count.
        1. Rusticolus
          Rusticolus 18 June 2022 22: 37
          0
          Showed? As it turned out, we are not ready to fight
          That's what I'm talking about too. Only it is not we who are not ready to fight, but our leadership is not ready. The fighters themselves are ready, only they are not given. And this is very disgusting.
          I can’t say for sure, because I learned through a friend. In one of the parts of the Strategic Missile Forces, the people were basically divided into 2 camps. 1. Demolish all the fucking ukriya. It is possible and Poland at the same time. 2. Demolish the fuck immediately the United States. Well ... There, apparently, people are accustomed to measuring precisely in such categories. And they will take it down. But there is no such order.
  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 18 June 2022 09: 28
    +2
    The ship is pitiful. Relaxed. Probably went back and forth 20 times without interference ... and caught.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 18 June 2022 10: 03
      +17
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Probably went back and forth 20 times without interference ... and caught.

      Yeah...

      I don’t understand one thing - what are these secrets of the Kremlin court for? To prove that SPIEF is more important than SO? Yes, let Gref, together with this banker from VTB Kostin, choke on a faceted glass at the buffet table ...
      The lives of Russian soldiers are more important to us ...
      1. aurano
        aurano 18 June 2022 10: 49
        -1
        Putin's speech
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 18 June 2022 11: 06
          +1
          Quote: aurano
          Putin's speech

          Here is an analysis of his speech:
      2. Looking for
        Looking for 18 June 2022 14: 33
        -2
        you, yes. but not Gref and Kostin.
  15. iz odessy
    iz odessy 18 June 2022 09: 31
    +15
    in the process of planning a combat mission, the headquarters also works out such a function as "support". That is, he considers, plans "forces and means." And this is not an experimental calculation, but a very specific one based on intelligence, based on the purpose of this task and on the basis of available forces and means. If they are not enough, he gives a request with a calculation to a higher one. In addition to the fact that - a rather stupid style of explanation, there is an "old cruiser", "the wreckage of the U point and the detonation of ammunition on the deck, the tug is not a target for such anti-ship missiles, and even worse ... "didn't know" - this is a humiliation, a moral and psychological defeat "Which is much more effective than physical personnel. These geniuses in Sevastopol are stubbornly pushing to supply ... submarines. As was the case with the flight of the SOR command from personnel in July 1942. Today, the Black Sea Fleet is an indicator of the depth of the problems of the entire Russian fleet and is very clear
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 18 June 2022 10: 49
      +5
      Quote: iz odessy
      These geniuses in Sevastopol are stubbornly pushing ... submarines to supply.

      I agree about "geniuses". After the events with Moscow, there was complete silence about the fate of Kom. Black Sea Fleet. Neither at events in Sevastopol, nor in the media ... They are silent, as if about a dead man ... Hero of Russia. Submariner. The former commander of a nuclear submarine ... But in the role of commander of the fleet, the figure is contradictory .. The Black Sea Fleet does an excellent job of launching Caliber. Fleet aviation, marines are working great.. And then there are punctures, bloody punctures with surface ships.. What is this? I do not know . But it is obvious that not only the fleet commander is responsible ... for the death of ships and hp.
      1. iz odessy
        iz odessy 18 June 2022 12: 04
        0
        almost every deputy, sometime comes to the thought: why is he, why can't I? And that's when "team selection" works. If she is her own, these are only thoughts, somewhere in the depths and not critical, but if there is no command, this is the end, guaranteed and someone rubs their hands when you drown
      2. Bshkaus
        Bshkaus 18 June 2022 12: 12
        -7
        After the events with Moscow, there was complete silence about the fate of Kom. Black Sea Fleet. He is not at events in Sevastopol

        Arrested...
  16. Coconut
    Coconut 18 June 2022 09: 33
    -20
    God, these stupid people from impotence are already rushing into tugboats ... winked
    1. bukhach
      bukhach 18 June 2022 10: 06
      +11
      Do you think that the death of the new ship and the casualties among the crew were caused by stupid people? This is damage to our fleet, is it really incomprehensible!
    2. aurano
      aurano 18 June 2022 10: 51
      0
      This is war, nothing personal.
    3. composite
      composite 18 June 2022 12: 06
      +1
      Read the comments above, what kind of tug it was, with what capabilities and what was on board, and how much it all together costs plus the crew.
      coconut you are coconut.
  17. gansales
    gansales 18 June 2022 09: 45
    -16
    Allegedly, Harpoon anti-ship missiles were used as a means of destruction.

    A simple tug and such expensive missiles? Yeah .. Soon the boats will start to wet with missiles .. This is from anger and impotence
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 18 June 2022 10: 09
      +19
      This is a new (5 years old) sea tug the size of a corvette (1700 tons). Which, at the same time, has diving equipment (a pressure chamber, a dome, as well as an onboard uninhabited apparatus for 450 meters of diving), a bunch of other useful things, can carry up to 8 containers on a dedicated site, and has an Italian onboard crane loader. Probably because of this, he was involved in the operation, since he can receive and unload containers or equipment on his own.

      Here is such a handsome man, for example, he went to Syria with a load and provided wiring.



      True, there are still 5 tugs of this project left.
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 18 June 2022 10: 51
      +10
      The ship is new. Rescuer function. Delivered ammunition and some kind of air defense system. Target ? Target . Question ? Where was our intelligence and why without air cover?
      1. Looking for
        Looking for 18 June 2022 14: 39
        0
        to your question - "Where" there is only one answer - "in ...."
      2. NNikolaich
        NNikolaich 18 June 2022 22: 59
        -2
        So the commander always seems to have sailed on the submarine ... he somehow doesn’t know, probably, that aviation can somehow cover up ... and all that ...
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        2. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 19 June 2022 08: 02
          0
          Quote: NNikolaich
          like always sailed on a submarine ...
          they go on ships. You . as I understand it, a person very far from the sea and the fleet?
          1. NNikolaich
            NNikolaich 19 June 2022 09: 58
            +1
            On the ships, normal sailors WALK, and something floats ... this is well understood by both those close to the sea and those far from it. In my opinion, those who send sailors into the war zone on an unarmed vessel without air cover, they are clearly swimming ...
            it remains only to send mechanized corps to Kyiv, as in 1941, without air cover, and preferably without fuel and ammunition!
            When, after all, in our country, at least someone will begin to answer for their jambs ?!
            1. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 19 June 2022 11: 08
              +1
              Quote: NNikolaich
              When, after all, in our country, at least someone will begin to answer for their jambs ?!

              Yeah .... I agree one hundred percent ...
              Quote: NNikolaich
              it remains only to send mechanized corps to Kyiv, as in 1941, without air cover, and preferably without fuel and ammunition!

              Don't advise! a lot of stupid bosses. may be taken as a signal for execution.
              1. NNikolaich
                NNikolaich 19 June 2022 13: 11
                +1
                Until we start sending those responsible for the jambs to an honorable pension immediately, we will continue to ruin our military units ...
                So our sailors will go missing ...
                Maybe someone thinks that they swim to Turkey?
    3. Grits
      Grits 18 June 2022 13: 47
      +3
      Quote from gansales
      A simple tug and such expensive missiles? Yeah .. Soon the boats will start to wet with missiles .. This is from anger and impotence

      This is called sighting and testing of new NATO missiles that arrived safely on the coast.
      But here we have - impotence from the fact that we can’t oppose anything.
      1. NNikolaich
        NNikolaich 19 June 2022 13: 16
        +1
        Most of our losses, most likely, are due to poor reconnaissance by means of World War 2, insane planning and the habit of stepping on the old rake ... for jambs, there will still be nothing, why strain in vain?
  18. Khibiny Plastun
    Khibiny Plastun 18 June 2022 09: 48
    +21
    Quiet gentlemen, as you can, these are not enemies, these are partners of Mr. Putin. Look, in Iraq, no one wets the Americans with Russian weapons, and on Russian lands, blood has not been spilled with American weapons. You should not be indignant here, but toss your cap up.
    Over in Donetsk, undertreated boys were discharged ahead of schedule in order to make room for the Azov fascists, then an unarmed tug without cover was sent as a target. After all, someone gives these orders and no one is to blame ..
  19. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 18 June 2022 10: 51
    0
    Quote: TermNachTER
    I think that if they had hit with a "harpoon", the ship would have sunk immediately. He has a warhead - 220 kg. Apparently hit something smaller, but where and how? And why did the tug go without an escort?

    Quote: TermNachTER
    why did the tug go without an escort?

    Excuse me, not a sailor at all, but a military air defense officer, and what kind of escort is attached to the sea tug?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 18 June 2022 16: 52
      +8
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Excuse me, not a sailor at all, but a military air defense officer, but what kind of escort is attached to the sea tug?

      "Tug" - this is how the media is trying to smooth out the level of loss. For with this word, something small and rusty-colored involuntarily appears before your eyes - like the ever-memorable "Krasnoperekopsk". In short, another "cotton" or "flooding".
      In fact, "Spasatel Vasily Bekh" is a rescue tugboat with a displacement of 1670 tons with diving equipment and UUV on board. In addition, judging by the media, "Bekh" delivered another combat vehicle of the army air defense system "Tor" to Zmeiny.
      That is, a valuable rescue ship of the fleet carried out the delivery of valuable equipment to the combat zone, practically to the shores occupied by the enemy. The closest analogue is the Maltese convoy, but "at the minimum".
      In such a situation, the fleet had to provide at least air cover, which could detect UAVs and low-flying anti-ship missiles in advance and hit them.
      1. Ablet
        Ablet 18 June 2022 18: 11
        +1
        It is possible that the air cover was but did not see the missile, and the drone that carried out the target designation was over the Romanian territory. If these were NSM then this is quite possible. How to answer? Unlock Odessa port terminals with Tornadoes from the western peninsulas in the Kherson region.
    2. NNikolaich
      NNikolaich 19 June 2022 13: 20
      0
      It can be a diesel submarine, an air defense ship, aviation, including unmanned aerial vehicles.
    3. vdv_555
      vdv_555 21 June 2022 13: 06
      0
      I read that none of our air defenses can see a low-flying harpoon.
  20. gland
    gland 18 June 2022 10: 56
    +2
    here you go, months of training will pass !!!! it's time to understand that NATO is already openly at war with us
    1. Grits
      Grits 18 June 2022 13: 53
      +4
      Quote: gland
      here you go, months of training will pass !!!! it's time to understand that NATO is already openly at war with

      This was to be expected. everyone here applauds the new tactics of the new commander. Like, we will slowly, slowly descend from the mountain .... This tactic also begins to show its inferiority. And apparently, it was not in vain that the zelebobik waited for the middle of summer and wanted to hold out until it. Modern wars are not won by the tactics of World War I. I think the more we play for time, the worse it will be for us.
  21. riwas
    riwas 18 June 2022 11: 10
    -2
    An American journalist announced the defeat of the tug of the Russian Navy by a Harpoon missile, citing the Pentagon

    We are waiting for official statements from our management. They already "sank" our tugboat at the beginning of the NWO.
    1. Grits
      Grits 18 June 2022 13: 56
      +5
      Quote: riwas
      We are waiting for official statements from our management.

      What about the meaning? We have long studied the tactics of the Ministry of Defense - if there is deathly silence, it means that something serious has happened. If there was a fake on the tugboat, then the MO would have been trumpeting about it for a long time.
  22. Vyacheslav Dokuchaev
    Vyacheslav Dokuchaev 18 June 2022 11: 13
    +5
    gouging on the part of our Navy .......
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  24. opuonmed
    opuonmed 18 June 2022 11: 45
    -2
    Nudk the rears are intact, whether in Odessa or in other parts of Ukraine, they will bring something like that and not
  25. Wedmak
    Wedmak 18 June 2022 11: 54
    +1
    Not so long ago there was a report that the Ukrainians were installing imported missiles on boats. I don't remember if it was brimstone or something else. So it is possible that a boat struck the tugboat. But it is unlikely that they put harpoons on it, there were no reports of a marine version.
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  27. huntsman650
    huntsman650 18 June 2022 12: 13
    +1
    Information is slipping that "practice" arrives (without explosives) according to our NCs and this is far from the second time
  28. Looking for
    Looking for 18 June 2022 13: 38
    -1
    and not the same way. The main thing is bam and there is no ship.
  29. Looking for
    Looking for 18 June 2022 13: 44
    +2
    Quote: private person
    In general, the Ministry of Defense does not like to admit losses and defeats.

    it's a shame that we learn about losses from Ukrainian resources. And the native MO is silent. Like a fish.
  30. Cowbra
    Cowbra 18 June 2022 14: 44
    -2
    If Harpoon, then 100 pounds, shot by American mercenaries
  31. Common sense
    Common sense 18 June 2022 16: 39
    +1
    Let's get drunk with this Snake. Why go there at all?
    Somehow, the Moremans do not "rush" in this NWO at all.
    The air defense of the Black Sea Fleet looks like a sieve or there is no such training for the sailors.
    1. NNikolaich
      NNikolaich 18 June 2022 23: 08
      +1
      Yep, no luck. From the time of Admiral Nakhimov
  32. highlight
    highlight 18 June 2022 17: 01
    +2
    Did they not tell the admirals at the school about air cover for transport on the final section of the path before a possible attack by the enemy?
    And apparently they didn’t say what else can be worked out immediately at the launch point with something controlled. And the fact that in wartime the passage of a ship is also a military operation that requires planning and calculation of a cover outfit, and not the banal "from point a to point b" don't thump much and come back in a week.
  33. savoj
    savoj 18 June 2022 17: 37
    +1
    The harpoon is a good thing .... though somewhat outdated. In any case, the fleet does not matter. One commander was removed ... but apparently it did not help.
  34. certero
    certero 19 June 2022 00: 58
    +1
    After reading the comments
    I decided to write something that just recently seemed literally unthinkable to me. If it goes on like this, Russia could lose its most important war in 70 years.
    You can talk as much as you like about the Nazis, but our enemy is exactly the same people as ours. Plus they are very well motivated.
  35. Viktor Vladimirovich
    Viktor Vladimirovich 19 June 2022 16: 19
    -1
    Needless to say: an awesome victory, two harpoons to be put into a civilian-type tug!
    Me too, warriors.
    Another thing is worrying: how did our admirals manage to send without cover?
    Someone seems to me that the fifth column is strong in the Black Sea Fleet.
    It remains only to figure out: is this a betrayal or negligence?
    But definitely already large shoulder straps should leave some shoulders.
  36. Yellow bubble
    Yellow bubble 19 June 2022 17: 41
    0
    Everyone who helped Ukrainians will figure it out later !!!
  37. Vadmir
    Vadmir 19 June 2022 18: 23
    0
    Now, in connection with such a proliferation of anti-ship missiles, it is important to put something like a shell on all naval support vessels - tugs, weapons transports, tankers, etc. These ships are forced to navigate through the war zone, and it is too expensive to cover each ship with a separate corvette. Ships of smaller classes have air defense only for self-defense.
    Our country has traditionally paid great attention to air defense, and the situation in which the Black Sea Fleet found itself is difficult to explain without the use of profanity. They managed to order a whole series of patrolmen without air defense at all. Gibki was installed on RTOs, that is, in fact, MANPADS.
  38. navi13
    navi13 20 June 2022 13: 51
    +1
    Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
    Or her, or no one? So, no one. There is a war going on. The Nazis must not be released under any circumstances. We let go - it means that there is no point in CBO. Neither in denazification, nor in advancement at the front. Those released/exchanged will either return to the front, or, after our victory, they will return to their old ways. And this exchange, even if we save some of our guys, levels out the statements about the fight against Nazism. What's the point in fighting them at all if we let them go back so that they continue their dirty work?

    The military field tribunal, for everything about everything for 15 minutes, read out the verdict for the barn, at the expense, and no sentimentality, since there is experience in the Second World War.