When will Special Operation Z end?

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Source: 9111.ru

Diplomats better shut up


When the guns started talking, it means that the diplomats did not work well somewhere. Not necessarily Russian, sometimes one uncompromising forehead in a foreign Foreign Ministry is enough. For example, the current head of Ukrainian diplomacy Kuleba, by the way, is one of the few professionals in Zelensky's team. He has a specialized higher education at the Institute of International Relations of Kyiv University. But fierce Russophobia and a sense of superiority did not help the youngest foreign minister save his country. As a result, Kuleba has every chance to enter history in the rank of the last head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry.

But European and American politicians are becoming wiser and pushing Kyiv towards peace negotiations. Naturally, taking into account the territorial concessions to Russia. We will not list all the "opinion leaders" of the West who openly declare the need to accept the conditions of the Kremlin, we will note only the main ones - Kissinger, Stoltenberg and Macron. And if people of this rank voice such a thing, then this situation has been discussed through closed channels for a long time. Most likely, after the wild provocation in Bucha and the subsequent tightening of Russian rhetoric, it became clear to everyone in the West that Russia had no way back.



It turned out to be so far from Putin's notorious strategic defeat that now even old Biden has forgotten about such expressions. But just recently, he allegedly accidentally made a slip about the overthrow of the President of Russia. Now NATO is helping Ukraine not to finally resolve the Russian issue, but only to take an advantageous position in future negotiations. That is, so that fewer liberated territories come under the jurisdiction of the Kremlin.


"Give Putin what he wants"writes The Times. Europeans are ready to make peace at the expense of territorial concessions. Until the time

The pressure on the West is far from humanistic motives - they are still ready to fight with our country to the last Ukrainian. No matter how trite this phrase may sound, it will be relevant for a long time to come. Foreign players are under pressure from numbers, primarily from inflation. For example, the US Federal Reserve Service for the first time since 1994 raised the base interest rate by 75 basis points at once, that is, up to 1,5-1,75% per annum. It is in Russia that the Central Bank's rate jumps by 5-6% are customary, and overseas this is nonsense.

A storm is coming, if not tomorrow, but it is definitely coming. The typical representative of the collective West has traditionally spent little of the total income on energy - electricity, gas and gasoline. In the US mentioned above, households already spend 4% of the budget, and this share is increasing every day. In the "golden" times of the energy crisis of the 70-80s, this share reached 12%, and the Yankees can approach this line by the end of the year.

If an American is forced to spend more than 10 dollars for every hundred bucks earned on electricity, heat and fuel, where will he go? He will go to smash the streets, because there is nothing more valuable for a US citizen than his own well-being and the opportunity to fill up his favorite muscle car for a few cents. And here the newfangled BLM will seem like flowers. Therefore, until the flame finally breaks out, it must be extinguished.

But that's not all. Among the reasons why the West is gradually preparing Kyiv for peace, The New York Times points out: the West's unwillingness to deplete its arsenals, the inability to quickly produce additional weapon, complex logistics, fears of sensitive technologies falling into the hands of Russians, the need to train Ukrainians in the handling of new types of weapons, as well as the risk of escalation if the Armed Forces of Ukraine launch strikes against Russia. In the gloomy brains of Western politicians and the military, a new peace plan is being born.

Complete and unconditional surrender?


Freezing the special operation that European leaders dream of is not in the interests of Russia at all. Simply because it is impossible to negotiate with Kyiv now. Leaving the existing status quo, even with the complete liberation of the LDNR, is a ticking time bomb for decades to come. We have been talking about a buffer zone to the west of Russia for many years. So now this buffer territory needs to be looked at in a new way.

The logic of the continuation of the special operation should include the consistent liberation of the Luhansk, Donetsk, Kharkiv, Sumy, Chernihiv and finally Zaporozhye regions. This is a kind of minimum program. And it is dictated not even by the interests of the population living in these territories, but by Russian citizens in the regions bordering Ukraine. Crazy from national humiliation, the Bandera people will immediately switch to a terrorist war after the signing of any interim peace agreement. Iskanders and Calibers will no longer process this scum - after all, a peace treaty will have already been signed.

The second reason for the impossibility of a peace treaty at the moment is the potential of the liberated territories. The Kharkiv region is a powerful Ukrainian military-industrial complex, which, even after Russian preventive strikes, is not so difficult to restore. In the east and southeast of Ukraine, the lion's share of black soil, and this is an important factor in the food security of the liberated territories. Without these territories, the Kyiv regime will forever remain without excess wheat harvests, which means it will leave the world market. For this, Zelensky was very loved in the West - after all, one of the largest grain exporters in the world. For their citizens in the remaining territories, by the way, there will be enough wheat, starvation will not happen.


Even with the liberation of half of the territory of Ukraine, the western regions are not in danger of starvation - they simply will not export anymore. Source: agromer.ru

Adherents of the peace treaty between Russia and Ukraine hope very much that our country will overstrain to restore the destroyed infrastructure in new territories. Somewhere in 3-5 years, the economic potential of all-Russian construction will dry up. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are already working on this concept, destroying cities and industrial enterprises with artillery. From the latter, the bandits never left Severodonetsk, they settled in the local Azot, which means that the largest chemical enterprise will suffer the fate of the Mariupol plants. "Nitrogen", by the way, city-forming for Severodonetsk.

How much will the restoration or even reprofiling cost? The question is rhetorical, but the problem is solvable. In the Russian construction industry, they are already rubbing their hands - by the end of the year, an increase in production volumes is planned, largely due to the restoration of Donbass. The development of new territories always becomes a difficult challenge for the state, but everything is not so critical. In order to build roads, houses and enterprises, Russia does not need currency, imported components, and foreign technologies are not so critical. It's not the automotive industry deciding where to get ABS units and airbags from now. Yes, in some cases it will be necessary to build more slowly, not according to the canons of the EU, but the construction will not stop. And with it, the GDP will grow.

The story of the global restoration of the remnants of Ukraine after a hypothetical peace treaty looks untenable. Say, even if the Russians stop on the Dnieper, we will still feed the Kyiv regime and create a new South Korea. Such plans already exist in the United States - to divide the country with a new demilitarized zone. Naturally, the fate of North Korea is prepared for the east of the country by imported minds. The strategists did not take into account that no one needs a new South Korea, since one already exists. And New-Taiwan is not needed. Governments are now coming to the conclusion that production, as far as possible, should be located at home. The chronic shortage of semiconductors is the most telling example of this.

In the western territories of Ukraine, an impressive picture will emerge in this scenario. Thousands of unfinished bandits with swastikas on their skin, with weapons in their hands and combat skills will look for their new place under the sun. At the same time, Ukraine will no longer have resources - the industrial and agricultural east will by that time become free from the Kyiv regime. It is not clear what Western curators will be able to do with Ukrainians in order to turn them into an analogue of South Korea. Apart from growing wheat and plundering billions of investments, Ukraine knows nothing else. All centers of competence remained in the east or simply brought to zero. Suffice it to recall what Motor Sich, the Zaporozhye Automobile Plant and other once famous enterprises were doing until recently. But the new Ukraine still has to pay debts for lend-lease and other assistance.

When to finish the special operation in Ukraine? Reach the Polish border or liberate the entire Black Sea coast with a jerk, connect with Transnistria and stop on the Dnieper? The buffer of Ukrainian territory west of Kyiv, which is spiteful towards Russia, should be left to the Europeans? For decades they have nurtured hatred of Russia in Bandera, so now let them find a common language with them. The unfinished nationalists, like spiders in a jar, and even with heavy NATO weapons, are capable of sobering up European leaders for decades. Maybe, finally, an understanding of a simple truth will come - nationalism, mixed with Russophobia, has no right to life. By definition. No matter how beautiful slogans he disguises himself under.
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  1. +13
    19 June 2022 04: 19
    At the PEF, Putin said that he was not going to turn the cities of Ukraine into Stalingrad. And how to liberate the territory then?
    1. KCA
      +7
      19 June 2022 04: 26
      Just like Stalingrad in 1943 - a complete blockade of the surrounded enemy and his surrender, if marinated before winter, they will run to surrender faster than Usain Bolt
      1. +19
        19 June 2022 04: 47
        Complete blockade of major cities? How many personnel is needed?
        1. KCA
          +3
          19 June 2022 04: 57
          Not so much, it makes no sense to catch every person carrying a maximum of a couple of hundred rounds of ammunition, a couple of dry rations and a canister of diesel fuel, but blocking cars and railways is another matter, well, the closed sky, and, as Mariupol and Severodonetsk show, the enemy does not disperse throughout the city, but clusters in one place
          1. +14
            19 June 2022 05: 58
            Is there any point in catching? Several of these "persons" are already a full-fledged DRG in our rear, capable of doing a lot of trouble.
            1. KCA
              -4
              19 June 2022 06: 07
              I wrote about the passage outside, not the exit, for a full-fledged DRG, you need a gathering place, communications, transport, weapons and ammunition, reconnaissance equipment, fuel, food, water, all this is possible only with preliminary preparation, if there is already a cache with everything you need, what's the point of dragging hungry ragamuffins in uniform, if you can slowly start a group in civilian clothes with documents and a legend? Yes, and I doubt that the "warriors" who got out of the shelling, shouting SUGS, will rush to commit sabotage, dissipate instantly in all sorts of Ivano-Frankivsk and Poland
            2. +1
              19 June 2022 21: 16
              Quote: ASAD
              Is there any point in catching? Several of these "persons" are already a full-fledged DRG in our rear, capable of doing a lot of trouble.

              how many times I have said and I will repeat - the army should fight, and the explosives with the committees should work in the rear, military tribunals should be organized, what has been done from this - nothing, the VVshniki are also at the forefront, and not in the rear, nothing is heard about the tribunals either .. .
        2. +10
          19 June 2022 05: 21
          Quote: ASAD
          How many personnel is needed?

          Exactly. The idea of ​​liberating part of Ukraine, even under the minimum program, requires at least partial mobilization and emergency industrialization. And the Kremlin is something to relax.
          1. +1
            19 June 2022 13: 30
            Any mobilization activities in Russia can lead to unpredictable consequences within Russia itself, up to a civil war.
            1. -9
              19 June 2022 21: 21
              Quote from: stirrer
              Any mobilization activities in Russia can lead to unpredictable consequences within Russia itself, up to a civil war.

              I beg you, 35-45 year olds will go into mobilization first of all, and if we are called up, the war will go differently, we will have SMERSH in the rear plus command posts, and front and side guards, at least for me, plus quadro / octocopters and barrels with optics, and MO will have nothing to do with them, because. everything is bought at their own expense, and the ammunition will not be like the Moscow Region, closer to the Cheka ...
              1. +1
                19 June 2022 21: 27
                But who's stopping you from volunteering right now? The second reason for such confidence is that there will be a large number of people who want to go to Ukraine, not to mention the fact that mobilization will aggravate the already difficult economic situation. How many people in Russia transferred at least a hundred rubles every month from their salary to help the “children” of Donbass, a few fractions of a percent, and here you will have to go to war and die.
                1. -7
                  20 June 2022 01: 40
                  Quote from: stirrer
                  Who's stopping you from leaving right now? volunteer?

                  Order of the Commander-in-Chief...
                  Russian pull up - the widow of a Russian officer from Russian America (Alaska and California) or where are you from ...
                  1. 0
                    20 June 2022 10: 21
                    Order of the Commander-in-Chief...


                    Everything is clear with you, and then after the order, you will immediately "show up" a hernia, sciatica, credit.
              2. -1
                20 June 2022 09: 49
                "35-45 year olds will go" why not young ones?
        3. +2
          19 June 2022 20: 12
          and why complete. block the supply routes of food. gas. water. electricians, and any city will surrender within 1-2 months. As my grandmother, who survived the occupation, said - "everything but not hunger"
          1. -4
            19 June 2022 21: 28
            Quote: Seeker
            As my grandmother, who survived the occupation, said - "everything but not hunger"

            as my great-grandmother, who survived the siege of Leningrad, said - "you don't know what HUNGER is."
          2. -1
            19 June 2022 21: 28
            And this will be qualified as a war crime in the West, especially the cadres of starving children.
            1. -4
              20 June 2022 01: 47
              Quote from: stirrer
              And this will be qualified as a war crime in the West, especially the cadres of starving children.

              show you a photo of the starving from Syria? from Libya? dump the poor...
    2. Quote: ASAD
      At the PEF, Putin said that he was not going to turn the cities of Ukraine into Stalingrad. And how to liberate the territory then?

      Promise does not mean marriage.
      1. +24
        19 June 2022 06: 50
        Here I agree with you, I myself was born in 1963, completely fell under the promise not to raise the retirement age.
        1. +8
          19 June 2022 09: 56
          When will the special operation end? And what is there to guess, there are three options: 1- when the money and resources for it run out, 2- when those who started it are removed, 3- when a nuclear war starts.
        2. -6
          19 June 2022 18: 45
          So he, when he promised, did not raise it. While he was president for the first two terms. After 2012, he promised nothing of the sort.
    3. 0
      19 June 2022 10: 56
      Quote: ASAD
      At the PEF, Putin said that he was not going to turn the cities of Ukraine into Stalingrad.

      Nothing, we will restore Nenka after the Victory!
      We have such eagles for the Victory work!
      1. 0
        20 June 2022 19: 43
        Quote: Paul Siebert
        Nothing, we will restore Nenka after the Victory!

        We will not restore any nenek!
        Only Russia.
        Aren't all Georgians, Khokhols and other Estonians tired of building states yet?
        Well, intelligence! Well, what are you writing then? what
        1. 0
          20 June 2022 20: 03
          Quote: Stena
          Quote: Paul Siebert
          Nothing, we will restore Nenka after the Victory!

          We will not restore any nenek!
          Only Russia.
          Aren't all Georgians, Khokhols and other Estonians tired of building states yet?
          Well, intelligence! Well, what are you writing then? what

          Artyom!
          Nenka will be part of Russia.
          As a federal district.
          And maybe without these rights.
          The same applies to Georgia and Azerbaijan and other Central Asia ...

          The only way.
          1. +1
            20 June 2022 21: 38
            Quote: Paul Siebert
            Nenka will be part of Russia.
            As a federal district.
            And maybe without these rights.
            The same applies to Georgia and Azerbaijan and other Central Asia ...

            No no and one more time no!
            No nanes as part of Russia! United and indivisible Russia - yes! And on the territory of the former Ukraine (except for the LDNR, of course) - it even needs to be renamed - let there be some Yaik region, etc. Or also a protectorate with a governor-general at the head.
            Why do we need Georgia??? If we already hold the Caucasus Range?
            Why the hell do we need Central Asia??? They have nowhere to put them anyway - but do you want this yoke around your neck again? Let it be as it is or a protectorate. But not in the Russian Federation.
    4. 0
      20 June 2022 05: 26
      What you are talking about is secondary. And first of all, the respected author is considering the option of conquering only part of Ukraine. That is, some part of Ukraine (as the author writes - about half) will remain Nazi and fascist, will be a constant problem for Russia, and may even join NATO. Where did the plans to denazify ALL of Ukraine go? Wasn't that the original plan? Where are the arguments that it is dangerous not to conquer Ukraine (even part of it), because NATO can deploy missiles there aimed at Moscow. There is no big difference in the flight time of NATO missiles, between the situation when these missiles are in Kharkov and in Kyiv, for example. Why was the original plan to take over all of Ukraine (and then at least Moldavia) rejected?
  2. +41
    19 June 2022 05: 05
    What kind of denazification, what kind of demilitarization and protection of the population of Donbass? What are you talking about?
    That is, denazification is when the Nazi killer tayra was exchanged for the Chechen son of an important boss, and the demilitarization and protection of the population of Donbass is 3 months Ukrainians are hitting Donetsk every day?
    1. +1
      19 June 2022 05: 12
      Regarding the citizen Paevskaya (nickname "Taira"). According to our data, the exchange took place with a large margin in our favor, both quantitatively (in terms of the number of our people) and qualitatively (in terms of who our people are).

      That is, on the Ukrainian side, we have an exemplary media victory that works here and now, but which goes bad in a matter of days. The opponent in such victories is the grandmaster, and this must be taken into account both by our audience (and not disperse the exemplary evil), and our official propaganda.

      If the decision is made to remain silent and not disclose details, there are reasons for such a decision. But the laws of information warfare cannot be deceived: if you do not give information, the enemy does. And your audience goes to listen to the enemy, because there is no one else to listen to.

      So we are waiting for official statements, at least at the level - yes, they exchanged, yes, in our favor, for whom - we cannot say (yet).

      And people will be attracted to you.

      https://t.me/boris_rozhin/54095
    2. +10
      19 June 2022 06: 46
      Quote: MrFYGY
      demilitarization and protection of the population of Donbass for 3 months Ukrainians hit Donetsk every day?
      Well, MLRS are arriving to us, and there are already points, in a day or two! More people are dying than in the entire previous period since 2014. It's scary - you can't live without fear of debt and it hurts from losses. This is discussed wherever there are two or more ... That's just almost everything, to the question: - "Which is better, to spank a captive bastard or exchange him for ours?" The answer is the same: - "Exchange!". Even those whose relatives have died know and understand that there is an opportunity to save our guys, we need to save them. Apparently, this is the point - we do not abandon our own.
      1. +19
        19 June 2022 06: 56
        Quote: Vladimir61
        "Which is better, slap the captive bastard or exchange him for ours?" The answer is the same: - "Exchange!". Even those whose relatives have died know and understand that there is an opportunity to save our guys, we need to save them. Apparently, this is the point - we do not abandon our own.

        You're right! Only now it was not necessary to shout so loudly about the capture of a stoned Nazi and the trial of her, and then quietly change. If you are changing, then tell me who. So that people know that they didn’t do it in vain.
        1. +24
          19 June 2022 07: 30
          Quote: Egoza
          Only now it was not necessary to shout so loudly about the capture of a stoned Nazi and the trial of her, and then quietly change. If you are changing, then tell me who.

          I agree. All these secrets of the Kremlin court are beginning to twist. The mind begins to wedge from these methods of demilitarization and denazification, in which everyone who is not lazy comes to the camp of the enemy and brings everything they ask.
          The main method of fighting the enemy is the destruction of rear services and supplies. In our case, Ukraine from the first day of the SA (February 24) had to “eat fish soup” due to the loss of the usual benefits of civilization. A torch and candles, glaciers, teams of oxen, bicycles and scooters, signal flags SHOULD give an impetus to the "development of the Ukrainian economy" ...
          Sometimes I think that it is beneficial for some to play for time and develop the situation until 2024 (2036) ... This is despite the fact that the Ukrainian economy, torn to shreds, along with military production, communications and warehouses, is simply obliged to overgrow with young grass ...
          1. +5
            19 June 2022 10: 02
            All the author's arguments can be discussed and considered, but at school I was taught that in the Middle Ages there were such people, scholastics, who liked to speculate on the topic - how many devils fit on the tip of a needle. All disputes about where the Armed Forces and the Russian Federation will advance and where the borders will go evaporate if you ask one simple question "when?", Our modern scholastic experts usually cheerfully answer this question - "sooner or later." But such an answer is not read out, because "sooner or later" means never, because you can always say, they say, it's still early, and if the desired does not happen at all, you can say - it's too late.
      2. 0
        22 June 2022 18: 18
        It is necessary to exchange, this is without options, but if Tyra had been shot during the arrest, then I think there would have been other candidates for the exchange.
    3. man
      -2
      19 June 2022 09: 52
      That is, Denazification is when the Nazi killer Taira was exchanged for the Chechen son of an important bump
      The fact that this "Chechen big shot" sent his "son" not to the Emirates, to cool off at sea, but to go to war deserves respect. Much respect! And the taira is far from being a field marshal.
      By the way, can you remind me who else from the important cones sent children to open source software? Is there any similar precedent?
      1. +8
        19 June 2022 10: 13
        Quote: mann
        The fact that this "Chechen big shot" sent his "son" not to the Emirates, to cool off at sea, but to go to war deserves respect. Much respect!

        Exchanged for Taira, Adam Saidov has been living in Ukraine since childhood. Earlier, his father, an ally of Kadyrov, stated that Adam was kidnapped in Melitopol by the Ukrainian special services.

        https://t.me/kashinguru/60747
        Good front. There is a video with this "stolen".
        1. man
          +1
          19 June 2022 10: 21
          Good front. There is a video with this "stolen".
          Hmm...didn't know...
          1. -3
            19 June 2022 18: 11
            Hmm ... but I read that she was exchanged for our pilots ...
            1. man
              0
              19 June 2022 18: 36
              Hmm ... but I read that she was exchanged for our pilots ...
              Yes, I also read that in the military, that's why I decided that this guy was among them
      2. +2
        19 June 2022 18: 09
        I don’t know about everyone, but Yevkurov’s nephew and the son of a major official (I don’t remember his last name) from the Arkhangelsk region died in the course. They talked about a few more, but those from the families of generals are not officials.
        1. man
          -1
          19 June 2022 18: 22
          the son of a major official (I don’t remember his last name) from the Arkhangelsk region.
          Really the governor or the deputy?
          1. 0
            19 June 2022 18: 40
            It seems like a zama but not exactly.
            1. man
              0
              19 June 2022 18: 52
              It seems like a zama but not exactly.
              And among the officials there are worthy people ... sometimes
          2. +2
            19 June 2022 18: 49
            I made a mistake, the son of the deputy governor of the Nenets Territory, Dudorov, died.
            1. 0
              19 June 2022 21: 17
              The Nenets Autonomous Okrug, being a subject of the federation, is simultaneously included in the Arkhangelsk region. Therefore, Deputy Governor of the Nenets Autonomous Okrug is also an Arkhangelsk official.
        2. man
          0
          19 June 2022 18: 27
          I’m not talking about generals (Yevkurov is also a general), they often sent relatives to wars. Well, if I was familiar with two who fought, it’s true that they were the son and grandson of Soviet generals
          1. +1
            19 June 2022 18: 41
            So this is General Yevkurov, and his nephew died, who his father does not know.
            1. man
              0
              19 June 2022 18: 48
              I know, that's why I wrote relatives
      3. -2
        19 June 2022 21: 30
        The fact that this "Chechen big shot" sent his "son" not to the Emirates, to cool off at sea, but to go to war deserves respect. Much respect!


        They say that this son is a citizen of Ukraine and lived all this time in Ukraine.
    4. man
      +1
      19 June 2022 10: 23
      Didn't know the details. Sorry
    5. man
      0
      19 June 2022 19: 01
      Denazification is when the Nazi killer Taira was exchanged for the Chechen son of a big shot
      And here it is written that the taira was exchanged for very serious of our guys
      https://topwar.ru/197936-voenkor-rudenko-tajru-obmenjali.html
    6. +1
      19 June 2022 21: 35
      Quote: MrFYGY
      What kind of denazification, what kind of demilitarization and protection of the population of Donbass? What are you talking about?

      I will try to explain to you:
      the first option is the way our army does ...
      the second option is how the Americans behaved about Vietnam, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Serbia, Libya, Syria, and what can I say in the Russian Federation - when our people were beaten from the US embassy, ​​when their mercenaries worked in Chechnya, Abkhazia, South .Ossetia, Georgia, I generally keep quiet about the Baltic states ...
  3. I guess at least 1.5-2 years.
    1. -1
      19 June 2022 14: 38
      Who told you that there will be a hundred years war. As Schweik said, the people have wised up twice, which means there will be half a hundred years' war. That is, it will be 99 years and twelve months. When the Ukrainians are crushed, the Poles will come instead, to the land where Ukraine used to be. After the Poles, the Germans, and so on in turn. And there, under Lend-Lease, the United States will begin to supply Russia with weapons, until only three companies of European troops remain in the expanses of the former Ukraine. Just then, just in the last month of the centenary, there is not a hundred-year, but a 99-year war and the 12th month of February, the war will end on the 30th. That's when the players of Russia will be champions of Europe.
  4. +6
    19 June 2022 05: 23
    1. Capture areas with Russian population. Ukrainians who have lived with Russians for centuries, for me they are "Russians" (adjective), the same as Mordovians, Tatars, Erzya, Kalmyks, etc.
    2. According to point 1, this can be seen on the map


    3. In fact, this deprives Ukraine of access to the Black Sea. Their nationalism will not allow us to use our Black Sea ports. They themselves will not be able to remake the track to the European one, the West will not give them money or resources. Ukraine will turn into what it was before joining Russia. They will be modern slaves, most likely Poles.
    Part of the west of Ukraine will be taken away by Poland, Hungary and Romania. But only those pieces that can be digested. The rest "the hyena of Europe" will not be able to bear to seize, but will not be able to equip. And there will be eternal conflict. We are on the remnants of Ukraine and Poland, our army.
    1. +6
      19 June 2022 07: 14
      Any issues of accession of certain regions of Ukraine to the Russian Federation, Poland, and any other countries can only be resolved after a complete victory. Only after the entire territory of Ukraine will be denazified. And for this, the NWO must end on the western borders of this country. After that, let the local population decide with whom they will continue to live, but within the limits that we will establish.
    2. -2
      19 June 2022 14: 42
      How is it that the West will not give resources to Ukraine? And what will they buy coffins for? Ukraine has already cut down its forests. China will not give coffins for bacon for Westerners. But there will be a lot of cement. It can be buried waist-deep and filled with cement. Beautiful fences will appear everywhere.
    3. 0
      20 June 2022 05: 36
      "They won't be able to remake the track to the European one, the West won't give them money or resources." - It's not true, they will give them a lot of money. Because it is in the interests of the West to have a well-intentioned population. So that they can place their military bases there with deployed missiles for the entire European part of Russia.
  5. +4
    19 June 2022 05: 42
    Whatever tasks we set in Ukraine, new questions and difficulties will arise before us. There was no talk about the division of Ukraine at the very beginning, but now this topic has surfaced. Some do not want to really look at the military resources of Ukraine. provide assistance to this country. Nothing fights the economic crisis like participation in hostilities. It is not known what kind of potion they drank in the West.
    1. -1
      19 June 2022 18: 12
      They talked about the division of Ukraine back in 14, and it was in the West ...
  6. +3
    19 June 2022 05: 50
    What does it mean where we will stop. Why did we come. If we leave at least something called Ukraine, wait for trouble again. decision-making." Let's start songs and fairy tales about how it is beneficial for us and how we won. Only our grandfathers hoisted the banner in the very den of the Nazis and without any muddy negotiations. under the leadership of the Russian Federation. The territory to the western regions (and maybe to the border of the USSR), passes the Russian Federation.
    1. 0
      19 June 2022 09: 40
      You here commemorated the feat of ancestors. Yes, victory in the WAR is needed. And CBO can be continued at will indefinitely. It's good that now we do not throw penal battalions to death for nameless heights. All of Eastern Europe was liberated and the standard of living was restored higher than in the USSR after the war - now we are raking gratitude from the Poles, Czechs, Bulgarians to the fullest! Let's step on the same rake - liberate Ukraine, restore air, auto, shipbuilding; modernizing the energy sector; we will raise health care and education, and let Russia, as in the best of times, be financed according to the residual principle. I call it "let's get ourselves a Trojan pig". And it is not Nazi Ukraine that should be feared, and not Europe - the root of evil is growing in the United States. But for a special operation on that continent, you need to become strong and not be scattered on enemy colonies, their owners do not feel sorry for them, we should not feel sorry for them either. If Russia swallows all of present-day Ukraine, there will be no increase in strength, rather the opposite.
      1. -2
        19 June 2022 11: 00
        You are right about something, but if you let Ukraine continue to exist, it will be the same again. We thought there was a DPR and LPR, they would stop and think. No, we need Ukraine for this, as a distance from the Russian Federation itself (buffer zone), enemies just for a foothold in the Russian Federation. And you need to restore it wisely, why drag strategic production to the forefront, but all sorts of things that are not critical for safety, such as agricultural processing, assembly, etc., why not develop it. In addition, we (if we act correctly) will take ourselves a decent an area in the Black Sea, and this is already control of a large coast. There is a lot of work and for a long time, but over time we will get stronger and unite. And this is what NATO is afraid of
        1. +2
          19 June 2022 16: 26
          Who will rally? I don't have a large circle of friends, but everyone I know. In general, I don’t care about this war, I don’t care at all.
          1. +3
            19 June 2022 19: 36
            This means (in my opinion): you, the people of the Russian Federation, with your labor and money (the capitalists will not invest a penny) will restore everything that the Banderaites destroyed, and the oligarchs will use and exploit it.
        2. +1
          20 June 2022 09: 26
          Has Russia already been equipped?
      2. +1
        20 June 2022 11: 28
        "the root of evil is growing in the USA."
        Only here with the fleet we still do not have much.
  7. +8
    19 June 2022 06: 32
    Freezing the special operation that European leaders dream of is not in the interests of Russia at all
    I think that this is understandable to a Russian schoolchild. They ate their fill of "Minsk", allowing the Bandera people to come to their senses, rearm, and prepare combat-ready units. But where and when to stop today is a matter of questions. The need to cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea is understandable. The fact that it is necessary to liberate the regions loyal to Russia is also understandable. But what about Western Ukraine? And freeing yourself is more expensive, and leaving the Europeans the same picture. ????
    1. +7
      19 June 2022 07: 06
      Quote: rotmistr60
      But what about Western Ukraine? And freeing yourself is more expensive, and leaving the Europeans the same picture. ????

      I believe that the memory is still better to give. There will never be a loyal attitude, even without weapons they will mischief. Moreover, they will make their way to the central regions and harm already there. I am sure that there will be no problems where Hungary is. In the part that Romania will pick up, it will also be more or less calm. But let Poland deal with Bandera at its pleasure. In the end, it is easier to protect the border than to deal with the entire population. There will be a lot of work here and in the part that will go under the control of Russia.
      1. +9
        19 June 2022 07: 38
        Quote: Egoza
        I believe that the memory is still better to give.

        Yes
        When trying to manifest terror, act according to the rules of Israel - to screw up the nest without any explanation.
        It is high time for Russia to decide on Western Europe. If complete isolation is contrary to someone's principles - good riddance. No owner from the EU has any rights to property in Russia.
        This will be the answer to all of their six suitcases of sanctions. Let them burst from bile and malice overflowing torsos. Us army!
      2. -2
        19 June 2022 11: 07
        Western Ukraine can be transferred to Poland, but on the condition that only border troops, no exercises, no military infrastructure, only the police. Demilitorized Western Ukraine must remain forever
        1. -1
          19 June 2022 16: 29
          You, respected, would sometimes follow the economy of your state!
      3. 0
        19 June 2022 19: 40
        I believe that the memory is still better to give. There will never be a loyal attitude, even without weapons they will mischief.
        Give away?!!!! Fuck them all over the face. Exchange minimum. At least tribaltic. They want to get something, let them pay, in full. And if you give away the memory, it will be just another enclave of terrorists. A disloyal population, you can simply survive exorbitant taxes in other countries. Why not a method?!
  8. +14
    19 June 2022 07: 02
    When will Special Operation Z end?
    When the Ukrainian and Russian oligarchs resolve issues, on the arrow ..
    1. +2
      19 June 2022 08: 44
      Quote: parusnik
      When the Ukrainian and Russian oligarchs resolve issues, on the arrow ..

      That's right, right away! Here Akhmetov was going to make claims to the Russian Federation for the "destruction of his factories"! (Donbass, Mariupol, etc.) He threatens to file a lawsuit against the court of Europe, so that he will be paid the cost of his enterprises!!!! Shall we negotiate?
      1. +4
        19 June 2022 09: 01
        and you Elena and I are not oligarchs .. so we will definitely not negotiate with anyone hi and they won't ask us
      2. +1
        19 June 2022 11: 10
        Let Akhmetov keep his wishes to himself, no one will negotiate with him. Another time has come, even the wishes of our oligarchs will not help here.
        1. +2
          19 June 2022 11: 51
          time will tell .. I would really like that in the end the oligarchs, both Western and ours, did not remain in the black, but I doubt that this is possible under capitalism .. by the way, have we forgotten capitalism?
          1. -1
            19 June 2022 12: 30
            You understand in the old way, we will no longer be able to live in the Russian Federation, the EU is the same and whoever does not understand this now will be left with nothing in the literal sense. This process has already begun and will only gain momentum. Of course, many will quickly change their shoes and still become "saviors" .
            1. -2
              19 June 2022 16: 39
              Well, in this you are probably right .. for now, only minke whales will continue to live (and maybe better) in the old way .. well, we and the EU need to decide something .. should they switch to the resources of other countries .. should we .. lead its policy or return to what it was in a few years ..
              1. 0
                23 June 2022 16: 45
                If you want to know what will happen to Russia, read A.K. Tolstoy's "History of the Russian State from Gostmysl to the present day." It's all very neatly written down to the present day. Then there will be illumination and enlightenment.
                1. 0
                  23 June 2022 17: 07
                  honored Zinovy! and I also believe that everything will be fine .. but in my commentary I meant the specifics in which we will live in the future, because trying to predict an event is one of the differences between people and animals hi and so - I completely agree with Tolstoy A.K., in that we will break through ..
  9. kig
    +4
    19 June 2022 07: 05
    Our President, it seems, has not yet realized that even if he becomes emperor, only transatlantic partners will benefit from his undertaking.
    1. -14
      19 June 2022 09: 14
      Quote: kig
      Our President, it seems, has not yet realized that even if he becomes emperor, only transatlantic partners will benefit from his undertaking.

      Are you already thinking about the President?
      1. kig
        -2
        19 June 2022 10: 34
        Quote: Edik
        Come on, I want that too.

        Well, if you want, then think about this: during the turmoil in Europe, the states constantly turned out to be in the black in every sense, both in finance and in technology and in terms of living standards. After World War 1, they rose a lot, and after the next they became a superpower. War anywhere in the world is only to their advantage. And they also had a very smart person named Brzezinski, who said that if Ukraine is torn off from the USSR, then both will get kirdyk very quickly. And I honestly do not understand why it is necessary to pour water on their mill. By the way, Putin himself just said that the events in Ukraine are like a lifesaver for the United States. Ukraine doesn’t care, they got what they ran into, but it’s a shame for the Russian Federation.
        1. +1
          19 June 2022 10: 46
          Quote: kig
          And they also had a very smart person named Brzezinski, who said that if Ukraine is torn off from the USSR, then both will get kirdyk very quickly.

          And now what do you think we are doing? If they press the muzzle of a pistol to your temple and tell you what you need to part with and how you need to live, then in your opinion it turns out that you need to do everything if only there is no war.
          1. kig
            -3
            19 June 2022 13: 14
            Quote: Edik
            gun barrel
            Who and when?
            1. +2
              19 June 2022 14: 37
              Quote: kig
              Who and when?

              The NATO defense bloc at our borders and in Ukraine. Haven't you got it yet?
              1. kig
                -3
                19 June 2022 15: 20
                Quote: Edik
                NATO defense bloc at our borders and in Ukraine

                This bloc is already 70 years old, it has always been at our borders and we reacted to it accordingly. What's next?
                1. -2
                  19 June 2022 15: 25
                  Quote: kig
                  This bloc is already 70 years old, it has always been at our borders and we reacted to it accordingly.

                  This is near what our borders has he always been? belay
                  1. kig
                    -2
                    19 June 2022 16: 33
                    ours, ours. When we were big.
                    1. +1
                      19 June 2022 17: 46
                      Quote: kig
                      ours, ours. When we were big.

                      Actually, the eastern bloc was a spacer between our borders and NATO.
                      1. +3
                        19 June 2022 18: 19
                        And kig doesn’t seem to be aware of this ... he apparently overslept history at school, or they didn’t tell him this in the 90s.
                      2. 0
                        19 June 2022 18: 35
                        And what was the entry laughing
                        Quote: kig
                        Our President, it seems, has not yet reached
                      3. kig
                        -2
                        20 June 2022 02: 03
                        Yes, and I still think so. Everything that I saw from you does not convince me in any way.
                      4. +1
                        21 June 2022 00: 01
                        Quote: kig
                        all that I saw from you,

                        Then look at "which did not reach" .. Maybe it will reach you.
                      5. kig
                        0
                        21 June 2022 02: 02
                        I have no idea why Akunin and Co. did not want to meet. Similarly, it is not clear why Putin and Zelensky met only once. Could it help or not, no one will say, but there was no discussion here either.

                        And in general, I said that the war in Ukraine will not bring anything good to Russia, but you are showing a movie about discussions.
                      6. kig
                        0
                        20 June 2022 01: 59
                        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                        he slept through history at school

                        Everyone was embarrassed crying it just seems to me that there is no difference whether the flight time will be 10 minutes or 30. Judging by the result.
                      7. +1
                        20 June 2022 12: 40
                        As a former air defense officer (albeit a conscript), I will say THIS IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
  10. +1
    19 June 2022 07: 08
    Reach the border with Poland. It is obvious. Denazification must be completed. But after the cleansing of Ukraine from the Nazis, it is possible to leave part of the territory, but subject to complete demilitarization, neutral status, and under constant control by our special forces. Demilitarization. A very ambiguous question. Let's say the police. Should the locals have something in service? Must. But if these are pistols, then in which case they will simply be shot. Machine guns? And who can guarantee that there will be no new Maidan, and they will not go over to the side of the putschists? The only thing is clear: nothing but small arms should be there. Generally. No mortars, no tank planes. Even machine guns or grenades.
    1. +7
      19 June 2022 09: 03
      the theory is good .. the existing grouping is impossible. Your suggestions? or are you more on slogans?
      1. -7
        19 June 2022 10: 14
        Why did you decide that this is impossible in practice with the current composition of the group of troops? The longer the databases go, the smaller the number of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. You can flood Ukraine with heavy weapons, but if there is no one to shoot from them, then this is not weapons, but expensive scrap metal. Mercenaries? Here they will shoot the first ones, and let's look at the reaction of potential suicides. Is it a good prospect to go to war for Ukraine in order to get a bullet after the trial? Polish Armed Forces? It will be a direct conflict with Poland, with all the consequences. In this case, the grouping of the RF Armed Forces, I have no doubt, will be quantitatively and qualitatively strengthened. And now we look. Russian troops are not fighting alone. The Armed Forces of the LPR and the DPR also participate, and they participate well in the database. And they, according to representatives, will not stop at their borders, but will help Russia fight Nazism. Another moment. Far from all Russian servicemen under the contract are involved in the SVO. It is also possible to increase the size of the group.
        1. +2
          19 June 2022 17: 20
          You are used to looking at numbers, apparently, judging by your confidence in the "number of the group". Well, i.e. it turns out a massive imitation from officials finds a grateful audience. Here, God forbid, to knock out the Donbass, this is already being voiced by many. While the best die in the fiercest battles.
          1. 0
            19 June 2022 18: 21
            As practice shows, for the place of the best in the war comes the next best
            1. 0
              20 June 2022 14: 59
              And yet, the losses are depressing. Up to the point that they only interview someone and after a while either an obituary or the news that they were wounded. Some kind of curse. It would be forbidden to take interviews for the time being, as with "String".
              1. 0
                20 June 2022 18: 47
                But who argues, of course, I feel sorry for the log commanders ... but the "String" crashed in an accident in the rear and did not die in battle.
          2. -1
            20 June 2022 05: 06
            What's with the numbers here? In my city, several units are constantly deployed. As there were contractors in the service, they remained.
        2. 0
          20 June 2022 11: 31
          You might think that our soldiers grow by themselves, as in a computer game, and those that are immortal, as in these same games.
    2. -1
      20 June 2022 00: 00
      Or maybe first we reach the borders of the LDNR? Or at least to the Dnieper?
  11. +3
    19 June 2022 07: 17
    In general, no matter how the next "Putin's plan" ends, and now he decided to create the image of a "collector of Russian lands", after the NWO for Russia and the Russian people everything will be much worse than before it.
    And already Putin himself admitted that only after 10 years the people of the Russian Federation will begin to live better, and Kudrin said that the Russian Federation will return to the level of 2021 only after 10 years, and the "economy" of the enemies of the communists, which they are so "rejoicing about" - a sharp reduction imports and income from the export of raw materials, only implies STILL greater degradation of the Russian Federation and the impoverishment of the people.
    1. -9
      19 June 2022 07: 36
      The communists destroyed two empires, Russian and Soviet! And brought the country to impoverishment! And now they whine that they could not destroy it completely!
      1. +9
        19 June 2022 07: 42
        Quote: Alexander Kuksin
        And brought the country to impoverishment!

        Are you talking about those communists who rule today? Putin, Matvienko, Lavrov... Dig deep.
        1. +1
          19 June 2022 19: 04
          You see, I'm from the post-war.... I went to school in the year of Stalin's death. So with the country he went all the way from Victory to collapse. So I can really tell who is who.
          1. -1
            20 June 2022 04: 30
            You see, I'm from the post-war.... I went to school in the year of Stalin's death. So with the country he went all the way from Victory to collapse. So I can really tell who is who.

            Those. you yourself are one of these pseudo-communists that ruined the country, well, everything is clear with you. To the wall
            1. 0
              20 June 2022 06: 55
              He did not seek to join the party, but, like some, he did not tear or throw away his party card. Lies in a personal archive. There was such an order. From a certain position must be a party member. I remember when they accepted, one of the commission, quietly asking, why are you getting into this shit? So they don’t appoint a position, if not a party one, I say. :) Maybe against the wall ... But I'm not ashamed of my life, but where I messed up, I'll answer before God!
      2. -6
        19 June 2022 08: 11
        If you could NOT refute my comment with ANYTHING, but answered according to the eternal cowardly principle of the enemies of the communists - protecting yourself through attacking others, then you recognized the correctness of what I wrote.
        Which was required to prove.
        1. -8
          19 June 2022 09: 47
          I do not answer what does not require proof, which confirms the reality. And stupid comments too. The Russian Empire existed for 300 years! And there were still 300 more, if the criminals with the liberals had not come and destroyed everything. And now it will take another 300 years to put everything back together and re-create the Empire. So do not take me weakly, I will not answer.
        2. +4
          19 June 2022 12: 28
          Quote: tatra
          protecting yourself through attacking others, then you recognized the correctness of what I wrote.
          Lord, what a mess!
          1. -5
            19 June 2022 18: 34
            Ha, of course, all your answers are nonsense to me, enemies of the communists. No matter what, and no matter who I write about, all your answers are like a carbon copy to me - malice AGAINST me and the Communists, and cowardly whining "but we have nothing to do with it. It's all the Communists' fault."
            1. +3
              19 June 2022 20: 47
              Quote: tatra
              Whatever and whoever I write about
              Do you write the same thing and are surprised that the answers do not change?
              Quote: tatra
              rancor AGAINST me and the communists
              You would have written me with a capital letter ... What makes you think that someone should write what is pleasant for you? We are not bots and we have our own opinion.
              Quote: tatra
              cowardly whining
              Courageous revelation.
              Quote: tatra
              "but we have nothing to do with it. it's all the communists' fault"
              Endure the truth!
        3. 0
          19 June 2022 18: 27
          What do you always talk to yourself? lol
      3. +3
        19 June 2022 18: 25
        Soviet, yes ... but Russian, no, they ruined it before them. And it was the communists who built the Soviet one. But the Tatras and Mordvin sitting here have nothing to do with the communists.
    2. 0
      19 June 2022 18: 22
      Disappear the enemy of the people ... it's a pity you don't have Stalin with Beria.
  12. -3
    19 June 2022 07: 32
    The people will accept the end of the operation when our troops set up a border post on the western border of the former USSR. Otherwise, everything will be very bad!
  13. +3
    19 June 2022 07: 38
    The inability and connivance towards the Ukrainian Nazis on the part of the Russian authorities themselves led to the emergence of this ugly and deadly Ukrainian Nazism. But we should not think that we are all not to blame. They were silent, hoping that Ukraine would come to its senses. Didn't change her mind. Now there is only one way out - victory and only victory.
    1. -3
      19 June 2022 11: 29
      And in more detail, do not explain what, for example, is my fault, what should I have done? Just don't talk about the elections, where 146% draw, etc.
  14. +4
    19 June 2022 08: 04
    If you reach somewhere other than the Lugansk and Donetsk regions, then you need to carry out at least partial mobilization, since there will not be enough forces. Our government is not yet ready for this, I'm afraid it will again wait until the fried cock pecks in the ass
  15. +11
    19 June 2022 08: 05
    When? Well, firstly, the people ruling Russia, hate everything Soviet to the point of hysteria. And they do not know the history of the Russian Empire. They are conducting special operations in some abstract Ukraine.
    Secondly, either there are non-professionals in the General Staff, or the oligarchs have such interests that they do not allow the army to move forward.
    1. -11
      19 June 2022 08: 17
      Ha, yes, the enemies of the SSR who seized the RSFSR under cowardly spells "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists' fault", their centuries-old "history" of the Russian State begins and ends with the rule of the strictly last Russian monarch, falsified by them for the sake of profit in anti-Sovietism, from which they threw all the same facts that they, with their hypocritical "philanthropy" and "righteous anger", put forward for the crimes of the Soviet government, and they "shortened" it, the reign of Nicholas II ends with them in 1913.
      1. 0
        19 June 2022 12: 29
        Quote: tatra
        Ha, yes, the enemies of the SSR who captured the RSFSR under cowardly spells "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists' fault"
        Ek, you covertly call communists ...
  16. +14
    19 June 2022 08: 21
    Something every day there were articles that the aggressive NATO bloc, not today, but tomorrow will give Ukraine to Putin.

    Some strange train of thought for the patriots.
    1. +1
      19 June 2022 09: 49
      will give Ukraine to Putin.
      The territory with 40 million poor, demanding and aggressive aliens in terms of mentality of people (Ukraine in Europe is only geographically) is definitely not needed by the West. This is not the Baltic States, which can be easily assimilated. Already now they are thinking how to do everything as it was - diesel at 1.30 pounds, and not at 1.93 per liter.
      1. -2
        19 June 2022 12: 34
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        The territory with 40 million poor, demanding and aggressive aliens in terms of mentality of people (Ukraine in Europe is only geographically) is definitely not needed by the West.

        Seriously? How long ago? That's how they've been telling me since 2004 about the outpost of the damned NATO.
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        Already now they are thinking how to do everything as it was - diesel at 1.30 pounds, and not at 1.93 per liter.

        Weird question. To make diesel cost 1,3 per liter, you need to make its price 1,3 per liter - the price of fuel in Europe is set by the government. In London, a liter of fuel is almost twice as expensive as in Texas, solely because of excise taxes.
        1. +1
          19 June 2022 12: 54
          The price of fuel in Europe is set by the government.
          Not everything is so simple - when excises were reduced, the price did not fall - wholesalers simply increased their profits. It is impossible to radically reduce excise taxes - part of the budget is tied to it. But the rise in prices with an unchanged excise tax, as it is now, is caused by an increase in the price of oil.
          outpost of the damned NATO.
          They still want to be in the EU, and this is practically an acceptance for maintenance. Yes, and NATO will have to constantly feed them, and it's expensive. Highly.
          1. -1
            19 June 2022 21: 45
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            Not everything is so simple - when excises were reduced, the price did not fall - wholesalers simply increased their profits.

            Did you suffer from wholesalers in Britain, or the Russian experience? Why not call good Texas wholesalers to Britain?
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            It is impossible to radically reduce excise taxes - part of the budget is tied to it.

            When a government doesn't want to do something, it has surprisingly many reasons.
            And the price of oil is now exactly the same as under Medvedev. Then, remember, no one died.
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            Yes, and NATO will have to constantly feed them, and it's expensive. Highly.

            You will be very surprised, but NATO is a military, not an economic bloc. NATO does not feed anyone except its own officials. And it's not about what the Ukrainians want, but about why all of a sudden the damned NATO decided to make such gifts.
  17. -2
    19 June 2022 08: 22
    In the end, you still need to demand reparations from everyone who supplied weapons to the Kyiv regime and impose sanctions on them until they pay .... angry
    1. +3
      19 June 2022 09: 09
      will they give? demanding something that they definitely won’t give you - the person looks like it’s not very .. like Zelensky ..
      1. 0
        19 June 2022 10: 47
        Well, if they don’t give it, they will sit without gas, food and oil products - these are sanctions, if you don’t understand. Then their own allies will strip them at resales ....
        1. +1
          19 June 2022 11: 31
          Will the cessation of sales affect us in any way? Moreover,
          Quote: whowhy
          gas, food and oil products
          in general, not only in the Russian Federation there is .. well, their economy will sag for several years until they arrange delivery from other places .. what good is it for us? especially when will oil and gas pipelines be built from other places? Let me remind you, they have a maximum inflation of 9% .. we officially have 17% - who suffers more based on the numbers?
          1. 0
            19 June 2022 12: 03
            Well, here's a joke for you: wink
            Animals fly in the plane, the raven went out into the aisle, wings to the sides, stands and stamps his foot. The animals ask him:
            - what are you doing?
            - I stand out! - answers the raven.
            - we want that too! - roared the animals.
            They all went out into the aisle and stand, "work out".
            The plane fell apart, the animals fall and squeal in fear. And the raven spread its wings and flew, saying goodbye:
            - you should have learned to fly first before you dress up!
          2. -2
            19 June 2022 18: 32
            Who is talking about what and lousy about the bath ... are you afraid that you will have to eat less? Nothing useful for our many fat people will become less.
            1. +1
              19 June 2022 20: 58
              this is from what my words such conclusions? Or are you just a troll?
              1. 0
                20 June 2022 12: 31
                No, they just got mourners like you ... you always whine that you live poorly.
                1. 0
                  20 June 2022 13: 12
                  understandable .. lack of development for a clear answer, where am I wrong, so only bonnets in the air with or without .. or a troll .. all the best - you, Alexey, are not interesting to me as an interlocutorhi
                  1. 0
                    20 June 2022 13: 56
                    Do not think that you will get rid of me with this. As far as I can and I'll ruin your nerves.
                    1. 0
                      20 June 2022 15: 54
                      you have not grown what I can spoil my nerves lol consider that you are already at the maximum of your capabilities
                      1. 0
                        20 June 2022 18: 50
                        The morning is wiser than the evening...
  18. +4
    19 June 2022 08: 28
    The logic of the continuation of the special operation should include the consistent liberation of the Luhansk, Donetsk, Kharkiv, Sumy, Chernihiv and finally Zaporozhye regions.

    So far, guessing, but according to the conclusion of some experts, everything will become clear in September, when most of the national battalions and personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be knocked out, and the West will have to enter the winter. The main thing is that our leadership should show firmness and not let the West talk about it, that what was won with bloodshed should not be returned to the enemy.
  19. +4
    19 June 2022 08: 53
    and what does it mean that Kuleba graduated from the Faculty of International Relations of Kyiv University. And this means that such Universities in such as Ukraine or in such as Poland with such as the Baltic States, now these are nationalist hotbeds. All programs were written by the Soros gang.
  20. +1
    19 June 2022 09: 07
    "... NATO Secretary General urged Western countries to prepare for a protracted conflict in Ukraine ....".
  21. AML
    +3
    19 June 2022 09: 13
    The event is designed for 5-10 years.
    It will take a couple of years for the dust to settle and it becomes clear what we have in the bottom line. The main events will begin to develop in 24-25 years.
    1. -4
      19 June 2022 10: 28
      What 10 years? In a year, the subpoenas will begin to be handed over (evil tongues claim that they have already begun to hand over). And in two years, the draft age will be raised to 60 years ... Plus, the country is a military camp, labor service, food stamps at low prices for workers, and the rest at market prices and all that ... Do you think this can be avoided? I doubt.
      1. -3
        19 June 2022 21: 18
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Do you think this can be avoided? I doubt

        Like a troll, like a troll (Monster_Fat) laughing
      2. 0
        20 June 2022 17: 02
        Still, I believe Vanga more on this issue than such rogues ...
  22. +6
    19 June 2022 09: 13
    After Ramzan Kadyrov announced the abduction of Adam Saidov by the SBU, the latter gave an interview to Ukrainian journalists. He stated that he had not been abducted and told for a long time that "Kadyrov's people are cowardly people." Now Adam has been exchanged for Tyra from Azov. Will they give you a reward?

    All the same, it’s better to shoot the Nazis right away than to change for such an abomination.
    1. +1
      19 June 2022 09: 52
      Adam was exchanged for Tyra from Azov.
      Adam will personally answer for Kadyrov's words. And this taira, soon the Zelensky pipe will begin to shake, it is "powder".
      1. +2
        19 June 2022 10: 33
        Well .... There are videos on the Internet where the presenters say on them that, for example, the United States, when they exchange odious terrorists for their own for various reasons, they are given an injection in advance to prevent infections, but then, in a strange way, all these exchanged people die after a year - one and a half two from fleeting oncologies. I'm not implying anything, I'm just pointing out. Yes
  23. +4
    19 June 2022 09: 29
    And, more and more rhetoric is changing to imperialist.
    take and seize. Since there is grain, and industry, and roads ...

    And all sorts of words "Zelensky was very fond of in the West - after all, one of the largest grain exporters in the world" is purely a translation of the arrows.

    Who is the largest exporter of gas, oil, grain. nickel, titanium, aluminum and other things, everyone knows. And how Russian oligarchs are loved for supplying this at a cheap price ....
    How the Americans quickly turned 20 bucks for oil for Boris into 100, 140 bucks for Putin and Medvedev - it’s not comme il faut to remember aloud ...
  24. 0
    19 June 2022 11: 51
    If an American is forced to spend more than 10 dollars for every hundred bucks earned on electricity, heat and fuel, where will he go? He's going to smash the streets...

    What did you get this from? As for me, the current is much more likely that, under the influence of propaganda, without any questions, he will go to smash the "source of the decline of his well-being", the "Evil Empire" and "Hitler of the XNUMXst century", "just like his great-grandfather" .. .
    Guess who will be the personification of all these epithets?
  25. +3
    19 June 2022 12: 03
    The article is correct. But I'm still not sure that the West is pushing dill towards peace. Rather, to negotiations that will drag on against the backdrop of fighting. Kharkov, Sumy, Chernigov, Nikolaev and Odessa should be liberated, this is the minimum. The condition of the peace treaty should be the entry of UN peacekeepers into the buffer zone, the refusal to supply Kyiv with strike weapons, and Kyiv's obligation to guarantee security to Russians in Ukraine.
    1. +1
      19 June 2022 12: 56
      Quote: Glagol1
      The condition of the peace treaty should be the entry of UN peacekeepers into the buffer zone, the refusal to supply Kyiv with strike weapons, and Kyiv's obligation to guarantee security to Russians in Ukraine.

      Just not this !!!!! All these achievements will go down the drain in the USA .. And in a couple of years they will start zigzagging for five
    2. -7
      19 June 2022 13: 35
      Kharkiv, Sumy, Chernihiv, Nikolaev and Odessa must be liberated, this is the minimum.


      Why is Mariupol not enough for you? These are huge destructions, victims and the fifth column as a part of Russia.
  26. +2
    19 June 2022 12: 10
    There is a grain of truth in the article ...
  27. -2
    19 June 2022 12: 55
    Adherents of the peace treaty between Russia and Ukraine hope very much that

    They hope in vain and their name is the "fifth column" legion, which fled in fear and is waiting for the command to return ... And it will again slowly howl and incite to revolt.
    1. 0
      19 June 2022 18: 37
      Why did you run away ... read the comments here for this fifth column in bulk.
      1. +1
        19 June 2022 18: 47
        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
        Why did you run away ... read the comments here for this fifth column in bulk.

        A lot of them ! And their name is legion .. So everyone writes maliciously from all countries ..
        They hid their flags hehe But the essence of them is to spread rot !!!
  28. -1
    19 June 2022 13: 33
    In order to know when the NWO will end, you need to know what goals have been set, and no one clearly and accurately declares these goals. Taking into account the fact that the initial “blitzkrieg” failed, and it was definitely in the plans, I would bet that after the entire territory of the LDNR, the pole controlled by Kherson and Zaporizhia, is taken, it will be announced that all the goals of the NWO have been achieved.
    1. -1
      20 June 2022 16: 59
      Primary goals will be achieved when the Russian flag flies in Lviv. But Putin will not talk about it now. Until there is. After that, and maybe in parallel, Russia will begin the collapse of the EU. The Baltic states will be defeated with lightning speed and not a single rubbish from NATO will even twitch ...
      1. -1
        20 June 2022 17: 21
        What is it that pulls you so much to destroy, why no one says how and when we will start building autobahns between Siberian cities.
  29. +3
    19 June 2022 13: 51
    ""... When the guns started talking, it means that the diplomats did not work well somewhere. ..."".
    True, but only partially ... Recently, Y. Kedmi - in Solovyov's program said that NATO (or Poland ... I don’t remember exactly ...) knows that Putin will not be as tough as Stalin and they (the West) will definitely they will take advantage of this ... There is a grain of truth in Kedmi's words. Yes, we are all against Putin acting the same way as Stalin, BUT ...... But, I am more than sure that IMMEDIATELY AFTER SVO - Putin will simply I am forced to STRENGTHEN ORDER, LEGALITY, JUSTICE and, most importantly, the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation according to wartime much more ... There are no alternatives to this, since - EXACTLY PEACEFUL LIFE AFTER THE WAR IS THE SAME CONTINUATION OF THE WAR, BUT BY OTHER WAYS, and then only - diplomacy. ... When in peacetime in ANY COUNTRY embezzlers of public funds, werewolves in uniform and ties, as well as THEIR patrons in tattoos from organized crime groups, flourish in ANY COUNTRY, the country WILL NOT BE ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY resist both external and internal challenges. The richest countries of the east understood this a long time ago and that is why they prosper ... For example: business for a Japanese, Korean and Chinese- this is a continuation of the war and WITHOUT IRON DISCIPLINE and ORDER - such a "war" cannot be won ....
  30. +1
    19 June 2022 13: 54
    Are you crazy, or what? Which Poland should give what? This is Russian land! And if a non-Russian population has started up on it, it can go to hell. Actually, I haven't read such nonsense in a long time. To a country that spoils Russia as soon as it can, to give some territories ... fool
  31. +4
    19 June 2022 14: 09
    Quote: Egoza
    ZU is still better to give. There will never be loyalty

    A friend's wife is a native of ZU. She has lived her entire adult life in Moscow. Now it seems to be retired. And now, after the start of the NWO, he comes out with anger at Russia, at the president. And this, I repeat, she lives in Moscow all her life, and what can we say about the inhabitants there.
    1. -1
      19 June 2022 19: 34
      this, I repeat, she has lived in Moscow all her life, and what can we say about the inhabitants there.

      It is necessary to fill her entrance with paint and draw a Z on the door. To be frightened and bring down to its outskirts
  32. 0
    19 June 2022 15: 14
    What is characteristic: the author did not ask himself the question "how it will end." But that's the point!
  33. -1
    19 June 2022 16: 22
    Rzhu nimagu)))) author, have you read Fufleba's biography? His dad, a career diplomat - where else could he go to study and work? It’s like this everywhere in Banderland now - the children of doctors become doctors, the children of cops become cops, etc. As for the long confrontation, I am tormented by vague doubts, the West is already “staggering” from the confrontation with Russia, it will be even worse further. And this data is not from official sources, but from people who live in France, Germany, Spain. The myth of the economic power of Geyropa turned out to be a soap bubble.
    1. 0
      19 June 2022 21: 38
      Quote: TermNachTER
      The myth of the economic power of Geyropa turned out to be a soap bubble.

      Everything is much sadder. It turned out that after the collapse of the USSR, they all lived at the expense of the plunder of Russia.
  34. 0
    19 June 2022 17: 52
    To Transnistria, which means taking Odessa and Nikolaev, knocking them out of the DPR and LPR and crushing all the enterprises of the Khokhlyat military-industrial complex and not leaving the occupied territories anywhere. And let the pan-heads jump from morning to evening.
    1. 0
      19 June 2022 21: 39
      And when to break through the corridor to Kaliningrad?
  35. 0
    19 June 2022 23: 05
    The author, you did not take into account one thing - the Ukrainians shelled the Donbass for 8 years under the contracts. Who will prevent them from shelling the territories liberated by Russia and the LDNR along any new line of demarcation? Well, there will be a contract. The junta will receive new weapons and ammunition from the West. New fortifications, even stronger than they were before. And those same unfinished Natsiks plus replenishment. And they will shell cities and villages further. Shoot an answer? Again sluggish, but the conflict, and even war again. What is the benefit of Russia from incomplete denazification and demilitarization? No.
  36. 0
    20 June 2022 00: 18
    When will special operation "Z" end?
    Nobody knows. Neither our leadership, nor Ukrainian, nor Western.
    NWO has flowed into a full-fledged war of Russia against Ukraine, pumped up with NATO weapons and mercenaries. And this war promises to be long and bloody.
    1. 0
      20 June 2022 06: 07
      I am not a prophet and, unfortunately, Mr. Zhirinovsky, who did not die in Bose ... I agree, in general ... But in particular ... All the sadness is that they know when and how ... Before the so-called "pandemic" "There was a bit of faith in GDP. After "dancing" to the tune of the WHO, and only a dumb person does not know whose "hands" these are, it became clear "what and how". Hopelessness ... Only if you join the "Putin's Detachments" bully
  37. 0
    20 June 2022 15: 31
    Adherents of the peace treaty between Russia and Ukraine hope very much that our country will overstrain to restore the destroyed infrastructure in new territories. Somewhere in 3-5 years, the economic potential of all-Russian construction will dry up.


    If we translate all trades (for Ukrainian export goods) into the ruble and exclude the withdrawal of money to offshore companies, then these areas will completely restore themselves. And the industry will receive orders. And people in the territories will work hard and they will have no time to rage.
  38. 0
    20 June 2022 16: 49
    Does the author not think that we are interested not in a peace treaty, but in capitulation, but not in Ukraine, but in the West? The kneeling West is what we will see in the coming years. Its destiny is to become our technological appendage. The Americans never really fought (yes, even in the Second World War), and the Europeans can only boast of success in internecine conflicts. All that, in fact, Europeans can do is kneel and spread their legs ...
  39. 0
    21 June 2022 15: 28
    When Stalin was asked when the war would end, he said that he did not know, but Levitan, who knows everything, would tell about it.
  40. -1
    21 June 2022 21: 33
    Among the reasons why the West is gradually preparing Kyiv for peace, The New York Times points out: the West's unwillingness to deplete its arsenals, the inability to quickly produce additional weapons

    Of course, everything is going well, the West needs a respite - to develop weapons, to train the Ukrainian army.
    . It is not clear what Western curators will be able to do with Ukrainians in order to turn them into an analogue of South Korea.

    Well you give. Why turn it into Korea? Beautiful country, pay a little, transfer weapons and train the army using
    Thousands of unfinished bandits with swastikas on their skin, with weapons in their hands and combat skills will look for their new place under the sun

    Just a super solution for the West, what could be better? Much better than it was!
    Well, we, it is felt by the press, are leaning towards a wise world - we must let our sons fight in the future.
    1. +1
      21 June 2022 22: 23
      Quote from tsvetahaki
      Just a super solution for the West, what could be better? Much better than it was!
      Well, we, it is felt by the press, are leaning towards a wise world - we must let our sons fight in the future

      My friend, turn to the nickname "Nas Rat", he will teach you how to troll correctly.

      So far - unremarkable.
  41. 0
    22 June 2022 19: 41
    It’s good that the Kremlin hasn’t been kicked ass yet, as in the 41st. Well, our armor is as strong as it was then. And tanks are fast. Now it sounds differently - "It has no analogues." Shoigu will not let you lie. Generals don't just happen. Probably ... Well, is he a reindeer breeder, or what, really? ... But there is no need to force the Dnieper. A small task for the second army of the world. Here we are trying to surround Lesichansk for the second month!
  42. AML
    +1
    22 June 2022 23: 36
    Quote: Stepnyak
    Generals don't just happen.

    Eka you have an outdated thinking. Now gynecologists are also becoming defense ministers.
  43. 0
    23 June 2022 09: 01
    Why such fantasies about "South Korea"?
    Which will create a semblance of the South Caucasus in the buffer zone between NATO and Russia, especially in the flammable buffer zone.
    Rather, they plan to create a semblance of Somalia there, which is much more logical.