Counter-sniper rifle DXL-3 "Retribution" for the Special Operation

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DXL-3 rifle for the defense of Donbass

The units and formations involved in the Special Operation are armed with all the necessary small arms weapon different classes, incl. sniper rifles of several types and modifications. Recently it became known that such an arsenal will receive replenishment. High-precision rifles manufactured by the Russian company Lobaev Arms, incl. product DXL-3 "Retribution". It is proposed to use it to deal with enemy snipers.

nationwide collection


The Russian army and the people's militia of Donbass receive not only the moral support of the people. Throughout the Special Operation, various organizations and activists organize the collection of money and materiel for them. Various means of an auxiliary nature are being transferred to formations and units, and now arms deliveries are also beginning.



In early May, the founder and head of the weapons company Lobaev Arms, Vladislav Lobaev, launched a fundraising campaign on his Telegram channel to help the fighting units. Already in the first days of such a campaign, it was possible to raise money for the purchase of sighting equipment and other items for transfer to Russian and Donbass units.

Donations soon made it possible to switch to more expensive aid in the form of sniper rifles. Lobaev Arms is ready to send its weapons to our snipers, but the production of such products is not simple and cheap. The collected money was supposed to compensate for the costs of their manufacture.


TSVL-8 rifle paid for by donations

By the end of May, funds were raised for two TSVL-8 rifles in the M1 Stalingrad version. This weapon was planned to be sent to a "famous and glorious" but unnamed unit. On June 7, V. Lobaev wrote about the completion of fundraising for another rifle - the counter-sniper DXL-3 "Retribution". In the near future, they also planned to send her to the troops. The recipient was not named again, but they promised that the enemy would appreciate this novelty.

Lobaev Arms and colleagues continue to collect and purchase various equipment and equipment for the troops. It should be expected that in the very near future the "payment" for the next rifle will be announced. It will also fall into the right hands and then contribute to the speedy demilitarization of Ukraine.

Application Issues


So far, nothing has been reported about the combat use of the Stalingrad and Retribution rifles, paid for by donors. However, such information may appear in the very near future. At the same time, the DXL-3 product, designed for counter-sniper combat, is of the greatest interest in this context.

It should be recalled that since 2014, foreign allies have been actively helping the Ukrainian army to develop the sniper direction. Various samples of sniper weapons were supplied, incl. high-precision and long-range, as well as training of personnel. In the future, Ukrainian snipers with foreign weapons became a serious problem for the people's militia of Donbass.


"Retribution" in combat configuration

With the beginning of the Russian Special Operation, Ukrainian snipers became active again. Our army has all the necessary forces and means to deal with such a threat, but any additional weapons and support systems will not be superfluous. It is in this capacity that the Retribution rifle is offered.

The DXL-3 product has a number of important differences and advantages. It uses the .338 LM cartridge and has an extended range. Due to a number of technical solutions, this rifle is superior in range to other existing weapons for similar ammunition or for weaker cartridges. In addition, high accuracy and accuracy of fire has been achieved.

Such a technical potential can be used to solve a variety of fire missions, incl. to deal with enemy snipers. In fact, in most situations, the shooter gets the opportunity to attack the enemy from outside his effective fire zone. High accuracy allows you to hit the target without the risk of a return shot.

It should be noted that the effectiveness of using a long-range rifle depends not only on its own characteristics, but also on auxiliary equipment - observation devices, sights, etc. In addition, the number of rifles in the units and the organization of the combat work of snipers are of decisive importance.


Sniper "Retribution"


The DXL-3 Retribution rifle was developed in the first half of the last decade and first introduced in May 2014. In 2017, the development company upgraded it. The project was updated to correct the identified shortcomings and improve performance. At the same time, radical innovations were not envisaged.

The DXL-3 project is based on an interesting concept. It was planned to create a new high-precision weapon chambered for .338 LM (8,6x70 mm), making the most of the potential of such ammunition in terms of range and accuracy of fire. For this, it was decided to apply all available technologies and developments.

Outwardly and in its design, "Retribution" is similar to other Lobaev Arms rifles, but has a number of features. The product is built according to the standard scheme with a chassis and a hanging barrel. To reduce weight and obtain the necessary strength, the chassis and fittings are made of aluminum alloy.

The rifle received an 8,6 mm rifled barrel 740 mm long. The outer surface of the trunk has six valleys. A multi-chamber compensator brake is installed on the muzzle, which sharply reduces recoil. The DXL-3 is claimed to have comparable recoil to smaller caliber weapons chambered for weaker cartridges. The barrel is fixed in a tubular receiver and does not come into contact with other parts.


Like other rifles, the Retribution gets a bolt-action bolt action. Food is supplied from detachable 5-round magazines. A Duke striker-type trigger mechanism with adjustable trigger pull is used.

It is possible to equip and adjust the rifle to the needs and desires of the shooter. The aluminum handguard has side and bottom rails for accessories. The upper rail of the forearm is made integral with a similar mount on the receiver - they are designed for mounting sights of different models. The butt has adjustment mechanisms, and also develops for carrying.

In combat position, the DXL-3 has a length of 1,331 m with a height (excluding sight and other devices) of 190 mm. Own weight - 7,91 kg. Declared high fire performance. The maximum effective range has been increased to 1800 m. Accuracy at a distance of 100 m with a group of 5 shots is 0,35 MOA. At maximum range, this parameter is 0,42 MOA.

Practice tests


According to army folklore, the best weapon against snipers has a caliber of at least 122 mm. Nevertheless, it is not always and not in all conditions necessary or expedient to use artillery for counter-sniper work. As a result, other tools and firepower are required. First of all, these are high-precision long-range rifles.


DXL-3 "Retribution", like other developments of Lobaev Arms, are not in service with the Russian army. According to known data, this is due to incomplete compliance with existing concepts for the use of sniper weapons, with the technical features of rifles, as well as their high cost. In this regard, the current deliveries of the Stalingrad and Retribution rifles are carried out privately and without an order from the Ministry of Defense.

It should be expected that in the near future high-precision rifles from Lobaev Arms will fall into the units involved in the Special Operation and will immediately find application. What will be the results of their use is not yet clear, but one can imagine that such weapons will confirm their characteristics, and well-trained snipers will be able to use their full potential. Both general sniper capabilities and abilities for counter-sniper combat with all its specifics should be shown.

The long-term consequences of the "deployment" of the DXL-3 or TSVL-8 rifles are still unknown. Snipers have yet to test this weapon and evaluate it in terms of actual operation. Whether they will recommend such rifles for official adoption is a big question.

However, the short-term prospects for such weapons are clear and obvious. Rifles from Lobaev Arms will fall into the zone of the Special Operation and will make a certain contribution to the destruction of the enemy. How big it will be depends on the skills of the snipers, the number of rifles and a number of other factors.
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  1. Eug
    +7
    17 June 2022 05: 10
    Perhaps the practice that existed in the RIA should be revived - when officers could acquire so-called. "recommended" samples of short barrels (in addition to those officially in service) and extend it to the weapons of "specialists"? Now this could be done on voluntary donations, taking into account the wishes of the l / s ...
    1. +6
      17 June 2022 06: 20
      And then where to get cartridges? And how can such an owner then be supplied with a non-standard?
      1. +14
        17 June 2022 06: 43
        They spin themselves. Recently watched the video on the military chronicle. Their snipers were abandoned by everyone and vanished or didn’t evade in time, somewhere there they lay down. Devices for equipping cartridges, packs of cartridge cases, bullets, cans of gunpowder. Tables for loading cartridges for various powders, bullets of various shapes and weights. We do not practice this. And it is not profitable for factories to produce sniper cartridges. As the production worker explained, where they ship wagons for ordinary infantry, there will be enough cartridges for snipers.
        1. +1
          17 June 2022 07: 18
          There were complaints that the dill had Western sniper systems ... now it seems to be quiet ...
          1. +7
            17 June 2022 07: 21
            I gave a link to the site - Military Chronicle. They often upload videos after the dill positions are taken. Ammunition for foreign weapons and the weapons of the mountains. I mean shooter.
        2. +1
          17 June 2022 19: 54
          Quote: YOUR
          They spin themselves.
          Knowledgeable people said that if you want to collect a good series at 500 m, then you yourself have to twist and 7.62x54, both in terms of gunpowder weight and bullet weight.
    2. +12
      17 June 2022 06: 38
      The described trunk costs more than a VIP-class car. What officer can buy it.
      As for the RIA, the conditions were completely different, the officer did not go with a rifle, and how many of those who bought a short barrel for themselves. You look at the chronicle of those years, almost all officers with full-time revolvers And only senior and senior officers with pistols
      1. 0
        17 June 2022 07: 51
        Quote: YOUR
        The described trunk costs more than a VIP-class car. What officer can buy it.

        Before everything - rifles cost 1,5-2 million. VIP auto cost started from 6
        Now Vesta(!!!!) belay costs already 1,4 lyama .....
        It is clear that not a single shooter simply allows himself to take a mortgage on a rifle ...
        Quote: YOUR
        You look at the chronicle of those years, almost all officers with regular revolvers

        Before WWI - yes, pistols were not cheap, and none of the officers, except for the majors, really showed off.
        Quote: YOUR
        Themselves twist

        If it’s 5 shooters for the whole group, then they won’t do much weather
        1. +8
          17 June 2022 09: 09
          Quote: your1970
          Before everything - rifles cost 1,5-2 million. VIP auto cost started from 6
          Now Vesta (!!!!) is already worth 1,4 lyama .....
          It is clear that not a single shooter simply allows himself to take a mortgage on a rifle ...

          For such a rifle, only sights will cost under a hundred thousand dead American presidents.
          Quote: your1970
          If it’s 5 shooters for the whole group, then they won’t do much weather

          This is written as an example. As well as an explanation of where to get ammunition for the rifle in question.
          Quote: your1970
          they won't make much of the weather

          You're not right. A sniper is generally not a mass profession and they make the weather by killing the command, in confrontation with the same as they are. A sniper is like high-precision missiles, his use can make life much easier for some and very upset for others.
          1. -2
            17 June 2022 12: 07
            Quote: YOUR
            For such a rifle, only sights will cost under a hundred thousand dead American presidents.

            Go to Lobaev's website - there were prices for rifles sold before.
            "Dusk" in my opinion cost about 1,5 lyama
            Quote: YOUR
            You're not right. A sniper is generally not a mass profession and they make the weather by killing the command, in confrontation with the same as they are.

            And often the Ukrainian command for the fortifications of Donbass roam??
            And for shooting enemy infantry - a necessary thing, but again it all depends on the number
      2. 0
        20 June 2022 15: 39
        Not everyone needs them. for the army, the SVD and its heirs are important ..... (I mean the concept of a self-loading rifle itself). And even this caliber is not used everywhere. We also need a 5,45 automatic with a thick barrel. And optics.


        Here's an interesting video:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIypCvAhrZE
    3. 0
      18 June 2022 00: 47
      Quote: Eug
      Perhaps the practice that existed in the RIA should be revived - when officers could acquire so-called. "recommended" samples of short barrels (in addition to those officially in service) and extend it to the weapons of "specialists"? ...
      In the Russian Empire it was allowed short-barreled weapons for the population of the Empire - officers bought the COP and, in which case, went to civilian life with own property - for example Mauser C96...
      And how can this be imagined in Russia today - while he served in the Russian army, for their money bought the weapon that you needed - the contract ended ... but what about the barrel that you bought for a lot of money ...? - will remain in the unit? - how to get permission at least for storage military weapons in my house ?...
      Or Lobaev rifles pass according to documents like hunting weapon???
      1. Eug
        0
        18 June 2022 03: 55
        As an option - nothing more - to emasculate the acquired sample or to remake both the legislation and the weapon into a civilian version - this is if it was purchased for personal funds. Now - to allow patrons to acquire samples of promising weapons with their transfer to the balance of military units for proper study, gain experience in use, and develop requirements for improvement. Something like that, there may be options, especially if not a short barrel.
    4. +1
      19 June 2022 09: 14
      I think, I don’t think more precisely, but I know that specialists can already choose their own weapons, and they do it, including from Western models.
      1. 0
        7 August 2022 21: 12
        I somehow stomped on the large landing craft from Syria to Novorossiysk with a group of MTR-Russian / Soviet weapons (and equipment, communications, optics) they didn’t have any. All in cases.
  2. +5
    17 June 2022 05: 13
    Something NVO is more and more like the First World War - the same positional battles, the same voluntary donations of the people, instead of worthy provision of the soldier by the state with everything necessary ....
    1. -4
      17 June 2022 05: 54
      Quote from kristal
      What the SVO is more and more like the First World War - the same positional battles, the same voluntary donations of the people, instead of worthy provision of the soldier by the state with everything necessary

      What are positional fights? What is stupidity? Do not even refresh the definition of "positional warfare", just find out.
      And the rifle is good, but I think that self-loading is needed for counter-sniping.
      1. +2
        17 June 2022 06: 19
        What are positional fights? What is stupidity?

        Okay, can you define the advance of troops in the last month?
        1. +1
          17 June 2022 06: 33
          Quote from kristal
          Okay, can you define the advance of troops in the last month?
          A person who writes something about positional warfare should know about Verdun. You seem to be completely unfamiliar with it.
          “As of June 15, 2022, on the territory of the Donetsk People’s Republic, a group of troops of the DPR and LPR, with fire support from the RF Armed Forces, liberated and established full control over 238 settlements, including Rassadki”
      2. +2
        17 June 2022 20: 34
        "And the rifle is good, but I think that self-loading is needed for counter-sniping." Again, a caliber of at least 122 mm.
        1. +2
          18 June 2022 16: 31
          Quote: papas-57
          "And the rifle is good, but I think that self-loading is needed for counter-sniping." Again, a caliber of at least 122 mm.

          At the sniper competition, the calculation of the minigun won, which hit the target 300 times in the allotted time. © smile
    2. +3
      17 June 2022 06: 16
      In order for any type of weapon to get into the troops, a lot of things need to be done. MO will never buy piece rifles. They are insanely expensive. For this reason, an institute of volunteers appeared. They bypass all these barriers at once. The Ministry of Defense cannot purchase foreign samples of this or that property. But it can throw off money for volunteers through gaskets for purchases.
      1. +3
        17 June 2022 07: 27
        Quote: carstorm 11
        For this reason, an institute of volunteers appeared. They bypass all these barriers at once.

        Even our customs would "fork out" and organize a "green corridor" for such goods.
        1. +3
          17 June 2022 07: 35
          Solvable. Somehow quadrics are imported daily. I follow some girls, they bring dozens of them with some kind of insane regularity.
      2. +11
        17 June 2022 11: 06
        Quote: carstorm 11
        volunteer institute was born. They bypass all these barriers at once. The Ministry of Defense cannot purchase foreign samples of this or that property

        Here is from Lobaev's Cart
    3. Eug
      +3
      17 June 2022 10: 24
      So in the Great Patriotic War, citizens acquired tanks and planes - both individually and in a pool ... it's another matter that these were not "recommended", but officially adopted samples ...
    4. -6
      17 June 2022 10: 37
      You signed up here two weeks ago specifically to tell us this information? laughing
  3. +9
    17 June 2022 05: 42
    Lobaev - this is already a name ... And the accuracy is better than 0.5 MOA says everything ...
    1. +8
      17 June 2022 06: 29
      Quote: Cowbra
      Lobaev - this is already a name ... And the accuracy is better than 0.5 MOA says everything ...

      According to the declared parameters, the deviation is 22 cm at a maximum distance of 1800 m.
      Given the caliber of the bullet - a guaranteed defeat!
  4. -11
    17 June 2022 05: 45
    Not just 3 rifles!
    And, as many as THREE rifles !!
    As in the famous fairy tale - the Library was saved?
    The defendant holds one book in his hands and says: The floor of the library was saved!
    1. +7
      17 June 2022 10: 13
      Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
      Not just 3 rifles!
      And, as many as THREE rifles !!

      This is an initiative of ordinary people who, as best they can, make their contribution to the common cause! And here you are scribbling jokes.
    2. 0
      17 June 2022 19: 51
      Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
      And, as many as THREE rifles !!
      These three rifles can jump over the price of 10 million rubles.
      1. -1
        17 June 2022 21: 40
        These three rifles can jump over the price of 10 million rubles.

        How many lives can they save? A sniper is not a gun, he chooses the most potentially dangerous targets. Commanders, activists, all sorts of different machine gunners ...
  5. +1
    17 June 2022 06: 06
    In early May, the founder and head of the weapons company Lobaev Arms, Vladislav Lobaev, launched a fundraising campaign on his Telegram channel to help the fighting units.

    That is, Lobaev did not donate A SINGLE rifle to the fighting units, but organized his own "small business", starting to raise funds to pay for his products, and, in addition, starting an advertising campaign? However.
    I could first give one to a sniper from the DPR / LPR.
    1. 0
      17 June 2022 06: 28
      Well, in general, Lobaev's company is a business.
      MO they don’t want to take anything from him yet
    2. +1
      17 June 2022 10: 18
      Quote: Nafanya from the couch
      That is, Lobaev did not donate ANY rifle to the fighting units, but organized his own "small business"

      Read carefully..
      Lobaev Arms is ready to send its weapons to our snipers, but the production of such products is not simple and cheap. The collected money was supposed to compensate for the costs of their manufacture.
      1. +5
        17 June 2022 12: 33
        Read carefully..

        1. Lobaev is greedy.
        2. Lobaev doesn't know the basics of marketing.
        If he came to Donetsk / Lugansk and under TV cameras GIVED one rifle "for the best sniper", and then said: "Sorry, that only one, because"the production of such products is not simple and cheap", and after that he offered to" chip in with the whole world, "he not only justified his" gift ", but it would be enough to sell at least 5 more pieces.
        1. -2
          17 June 2022 21: 50
          If he came to Donetsk / Luhansk and under TV cameras GIVED one rifle "for the best sniper"

          Sheer stupidity, by the way, I wonder how the "best sniper" might look under the TV cameras !!! He can’t even approach there, and any of his colleagues understands that under that shown appearance there is some buffoon.
          1. 0
            18 June 2022 04: 58
            Sheer stupidity, by the way, I wonder what the "best sniper" might look like under the TV cameras

            It's stupid to write such comments. I wrote "for the best", not "for the best...". This means that he could hand the rifle to ANY person for further transfer ....
            1. 0
              19 June 2022 21: 22
              One hell! There are simply no "Best" snipers, there can only be some of the best. Therefore, it’s not a matter of “giving away” such rifles, in general, I personally support Lobaev and his vision of this situation. He will have to develop and improve this production, I don’t think that he is very chic in life.
          2. +1
            18 June 2022 09: 42
            You can always find an imposing jock to play the part. Alternatively, you can transfer to the representative of the unit, at the same time talk on camera about the exchange of experience and the development of the domestic direction. In short, a PR campaign is not necessarily literally about performance characteristics and personnel, it is an occasion to raise interest in a topic in order to use this energy to promote a product or manufacturer.
    3. 0
      17 June 2022 18: 31
      Quote: Nafanya from the couch
      That is, Lobaev did not donate A SINGLE rifle to the fighting units, but organized his own "small business", starting to raise funds to pay for his products, and, in addition, starting an advertising campaign? However.
      I could first give one to a sniper from the DPR / LPR.

      I don’t think that he has such a large turnover to ship expensive products for free without significant damage to the business.
    4. +5
      17 June 2022 19: 53
      Quote: Nafanya from the couch
      That is, Lobaev did not donate A SINGLE rifle to the fighting units, but organized his own "small business", starting to raise funds to pay for his products, and, in addition, starting an advertising campaign? However.
      By this, Lobaev actually abandoned Western markets, so it’s not at all a fact that he can now afford his rifle.
  6. +6
    17 June 2022 06: 30
    By the end of May, funds were raised for two TSVL-8 rifles in the M1 Stalingrad version. This weapon was planned to be sent to a "famous and glorious" but unnamed unit. On June 7, V. Lobaev wrote about the completion of fundraising for another rifle - the counter-sniper DXL-3 "Retribution".

    But centralized by the state, if you steal less, you can’t.
    The news showed how volunteers bring drones, thermal imaging equipment and medicine to our troops, and all with the funds raised. A noble cause, but I wanted supplies to our army not to depend on donations.
    1. 0
      17 June 2022 18: 35
      Quote: riwas
      But centralized by the state, if you steal less, you can’t.
      The news showed how volunteers bring drones, thermal imaging equipment and medicine to our troops, and all with the funds raised. A noble cause, but I wanted supplies to our army not to depend on donations.

      In order for the supply of drones, greenhouses and other things to go to the army, hard work of the bureaucracy is necessary for any coordination, amendments to all sorts of staffs and regulations. And this product is needed now.
    2. +1
      17 June 2022 18: 42
      Quote: riwas
      The news showed how volunteers bring drones, thermal imaging equipment and medicine to our troops

      В our troops, or to the "police" of the LDNR, specify, plz. Well, a link to the video, where "to our troops" will not hurt.
  7. -2
    17 June 2022 06: 41
    At the beginning of the article, I thought that Lobaev did a good deed and at his own expense AT LEAST a couple ... AT LEAST ONE rifle he made and sent to the Donbass .... but in real life he gives only for money ... I understand capitalism and you need to recoup the work .. .but at least he sent a couple from himself ... otherwise, for money, EVERYTHING .... usually such shares start from themselves free of charge.
    1. +13
      17 June 2022 08: 03
      Quote: Skipper
      At the beginning of the article, I thought that Lobaev did a good deed and at his own expense AT LEAST a couple ... AT LEAST ONE rifle he made and sent to Donbass ...


      and during the Second World War, the beekeeper Golovanov bought fighter jets for his hard-earned money - so is that the state profited - in your opinion ??
      1. 0
        18 June 2022 01: 11
        Quote: Dedok

        and during the Second World War, the beekeeper Golovanov bought fighter jets for his hard-earned money - so is that the state profited - in your opinion ??
        Beekeeper Ferapont Holovaty came to the Saratov aircraft plant and agreed with the director of the plant, Israel Solomonovich Levin, to purchase an aircraft ...
        The director contacted the regional party committee, then with Moscow ... and received an answer
        "The Military Council of the Air Force of the Spacecraft heartily thanks F. P. Golovaty for his patriotic initiative. Please deposit the money in the State Bank, in the defense fund. Hand over a copy of the receipt to the military representative of the plant, select one of the flown Yak-1 aircraft."
        In 1944, F.P. Golovaty "bought" the Yak-3 - this aircraft was handed over to the same pilot, Major B.N. Eremin.
  8. -4
    17 June 2022 07: 02
    such rifles are good for positional battles, in an offensive it is useless (there is nowhere to turn around with it) Then this is not a gift from Lomov, but a sale from him, and this changes things. It seems to me that even writing about it now is not nice.
    1. +1
      18 June 2022 10: 06
      to be honest, in the article I wanted to read why the choice of these particular models and some considerations from users on the specifics or from athletes - at least something that will emotionally connect with the products and this event. However...
      On the other hand, re-reading the text, I am convinced that the article is also poorly glued and this act of donation in itself looks unnatural. The impression is that this is one of the first precedents for public interaction between a private trader and the military.
      I think there is a lack of formalized lobbying relations between manufacturers and government orders. I would like to see Lobaev himself have a mature and ready-made solution, but in the end - he is an engineer, not a public ferret who knows the ins and outs and quickly moves towards the goal.
  9. 0
    17 June 2022 07: 06
    Quote: YOUR
    They spin themselves.

    They have something to twist. The stores are so rich that saliva flows. And you'll get the hell out of us. And bullets and shells are a big deficit.
    1. 0
      17 June 2022 11: 08
      You can’t buy .338LM with bullet 4318035 or 4318048 in the store.
      In general, Lobaev’s rifle turned out to be good, but I don’t see how it is better than the L96A1 AWSM for example.
      1. +1
        19 June 2022 21: 34
        In general, Lobaev’s rifle turned out to be good, but I don’t see how it is better than the L96A1 AWSM for example.

        Yes, at least by the fact that this is our rifle and it is never worse (for starters), but then you need to grow above yourself, which is why it is problematic to give.
  10. 0
    17 June 2022 07: 08
    Quote: Skipper
    at the beginning of the article, I thought that Lobaev did a good deed and at his own expense AT LEAST a couple ... AT LEAST ONE rifle he made and sent to Donbass .... but in real life he gives only for money ... I

    And this despite the fact that he hopes to be adopted. In fact, these are military tests and not at their own expense. Normal what...
    1. +7
      17 June 2022 08: 01
      Quote: Understanding
      In fact, these are military tests and not at their own expense. Normal what...

      Guys, am I missing something?
      nah him these "military tests"?
      this is a piece production, if you want a small-scale production ... (but 12 pieces is not a small-scale production)
      He works for enthusiasts, for hobbies, in the best sense of the word.
  11. -1
    17 June 2022 07: 23
    Donations soon made it possible to switch to more expensive aid in the form of sniper rifles. Lobaev Arms is ready to send its weapons to our snipers, but the production of such products is not simple and cheap. The collected money was supposed to compensate for the costs of their manufacture.
    How is Lobaev's assistance expressed directly? Is he making money? I understand that donors give to purchase money. Without obtaining direct financial benefit for themselves. And this is precisely help beyond the standard supply.
    And here? I see the desire of a private company to squeeze in / cling to / join the military operation and supplying the army with its products in particular. But where are the high impulses of sacrifice? Rifles shipped for free? No. At cost? No. Will put for free a batch of 100-200-500 pieces (even if not a top-end modification), which can really affect something in the database? No, one was set up at public expense and the second is being prepared.
    Citizens and other donors donate. And Mr. Lobaev will receive all the dividends from this. Namely: a) moral dividends; b) testing rifles in real combat; c) advertising; d) the possible climbing of even a carcass, even a scarecrow into the state order. This is all regardless of the perfection of the design and workmanship of products by this company.
    All these impulses of Lobaev are quite understandable and do not cause negativity, except for one thing - do not call it donations. Such a substitution of concepts smells bad. Pure PR.
    1. +2
      17 June 2022 07: 58
      Quote: abrakadabre
      Is he making money?

      Quote: abrakadabre
      The collected money was supposed to compensate for the costs of their manufacture.


      those. he will not incur losses - this is an SME subject
    2. +1
      17 June 2022 08: 52
      Have you heard a lot about sending weapons to the NWO for nothing? And even more so a weapons manufacturer. We have a friend, my wild capitalism. The slogan is GET RICH!
    3. +7
      17 June 2022 09: 29
      does Uralvagonzavod receive money from the budget for tanks? and not at cost .. according to your logic, they could have delivered at the expense of their profit ..
      1. -3
        17 June 2022 09: 59
        according to your logic, they could have put it at the expense of their profits ..
        according to my logic, if you say that you are helping, then it is at your own expense and your own resources. That's why she helps.
        If you want to promote your product, then you say that you want to promote your product. And here you already turn on various mechanisms to increase attractiveness: comparative tests, dumping, additional goodies / conditions, and so on.
        My logic is this. And yours? Otherwise, it looks more like the "help" of the Americans to their serfs ..., sorry, to NATO partners. For which then everyone either owes a coffin, or someone else pays. But for some reason it is called help.
        1. +1
          17 June 2022 10: 09
          You are right and I am right. why? because there is free assistance (about what you are talking about), and there is paid assistance (about what I am). both help .. he gets PR in return. in principle, too - not money .. but if everyone selling to our volunteers for the NWO - sold the goods at cost - would this be a bad help? at least it would be possible to get more products for the same money .. and this is still help ..
  12. +5
    17 June 2022 07: 57
    Thanks to Lobaev
    I hope "on earth" his products will be liked
    1. +2
      17 June 2022 23: 18
      Thanks to Lobaev

      I completely agree . The man is certainly ours, the products require maximum accuracy and rigor in technology, it is not customary to "give" such things, but such productions must (at least) be supported by the state, cherished and groomed (also for the time being, for the time being), so that the author receives First of all, from the image, and not from receipts.
  13. -7
    17 June 2022 08: 37
    Ah yes, the news, it’s urgent to the world media .. 2 rifles passed it on to chickens for laughs ..
    1. -6
      17 June 2022 10: 02
      Ah yes, the news, it’s urgent to the world media .. 2 rifles passed it on to chickens for laughs ..
      Yeah. And one in the project. And the pumps, as if transferred no less than a railroad car of rifles.
  14. +2
    17 June 2022 10: 21
    Quote: YOUR
    The Military Chronicle
    As for the RIA, the conditions were completely different, the officer did not go with a rifle, and how many of those who bought a short barrel for themselves. You look at the chronicle of those years, almost all officers with full-time revolvers And only senior and senior officers with pistols

    The gendarmes and the police used foreign cars en masse, I suspect even more rich officers.
    “Then, with the ardent participation of Lariosik, more important work was also carried out. Alyoshin Browning, two clips and a box of cartridges for it, were deftly and silently pulled out of Turbin’s desk.
    Of course, there could be no question of Lariosik being a traitor. In no case can an intelligent person in general be on the side of Petliura, but a gentleman who signed bills of exchange for seventy-five thousand and sent telegrams in sixty-three words, in particular ... Colt and Aleshin Browning were best lubricated with engine oil and kerosene . Lariosik, like Nikolka, rolled up his sleeves and helped grease and pack everything in a long and tall caramel tin." The White Guard
  15. +3
    17 June 2022 11: 41
    According to army folklore, the best weapon against snipers has a caliber of at least 122 mm. Nevertheless, it is not always and not in all conditions necessary or expedient to use artillery for counter-sniper work. As a result, other tools and firepower are required. First of all, these are high-precision long-range rifles.

    For counter-sniper work, first of all, it is required to find the position of the sniper. This is perhaps the only thing that may cause problems for the personnel of an ordinary motorized rifle unit. And, PMSM, this is exactly what counter-sniper teams should be doing in the first place.
    But just with the defeat of the discovered position, ordinary motorized riflemen will have no problems. They have a wide selection of weapons for all occasions - from "sprinkle with chalk" to "draw a cross". 125 mm attached tank, 120 mm mortar, 100 mm infantry fighting vehicle - this is if entrance number is enough. Individual aesthetes for the same can request 152 mm. 30 mm and ATGM - for more precise work. And finally, 14,5 mm and 12,7 mm - if for some reason you need to keep the sniper's OP intact.

    And all these counter-sniper rifles are, PMSM, a purely niche thing for situations where standard heavy and group weapons cannot be used for any reason (most often political). Like Minsk restrictions on calibers.
  16. +14
    17 June 2022 13: 25
    Is this discussion so wild? From the beginning of operations, Lobaev supported the soldiers of the DPR and LPR and the Russian army, for the difference from many state employees and government officials! He is an outstanding RODOLUB in all respects.
    The ego has a PRIVATE company, he must pay workers wages, taxes, electricity, BUY materials and other additives, and often from foreign sources. No one gave Emu anything and was not on the back of the budjet.
    Tejelo created his company, fought like a lion. And now someone is saying that he is doing business???
    He is not an OLIGARCH and BILLIONS of $ ego does not have a thread of a yacht from $ 100 million.
    He wants to help his people, but he has to pay both wages and material costs. No one gives the emu even $ 1.
    Glory to you MAN Lobaev !!!
  17. 0
    17 June 2022 14: 53
    "Work, brothers!"
  18. +1
    17 June 2022 19: 52
    It seems to me that evaluating a rifle looking back at its price tag is still not correct. For special forces Operations main efficiency. and the price is not even a secondary criterion. They don’t need tens of thousands of products, even a few dozen are enough, and their cost will certainly not ruin the Army, but it will help the implementation of plans to eliminate all evil spirits. Yes
  19. +5
    17 June 2022 19: 56
    From the very beginning I have been participating in Lobaev’s training camp, he gives reports on shipments in his TG channel, and generally writes interesting things about ultra-long sniping. I recommend reading, especially for those who think that SVD is enough.
    I know the opinions of officers on the gifts received from him.

    Low bow to the talented Russian gunsmith, which allows you to speak on equal terms with the enemy and supports Russia with deeds!
    Yes, and he didn’t hand over two rifles, far from two ...
    I hope the MO will start buying from him, but for now.
    From each income I send hours to his constant collection!
    For our Victory and for our Warriors!
    1. +1
      19 June 2022 21: 49
      I hope the MoD will start buying from him,

      I would also like to hope, but under the given conditions, the MO cannot take such things. They will give a thousand reasons - and the military tests have not passed, and the cartridges are not the same and there is a lot more, here the procurement system needs to be changed, and this is still very problematic in our country, there are too many interested parties to have their share.
  20. -1
    17 June 2022 20: 11
    Quote: Dedok
    Guys, am I missing something?

    Do not understand. The entrepreneur wants to supply his products to the state. But he does not want to spend money on a serious presentation.
  21. +2
    17 June 2022 20: 42
    "The units and formations involved in the Special Operation are armed with all the necessary small arms of various classes," just NOT available, not in stock, not in the proper quantity! Labaev's opinion on this matter https://t.me/lobaev_vlad/4186
  22. 0
    18 June 2022 03: 34
    Lobaev Arms is the only one that makes large caliber sniper (rather than Marksman) rifles in Russia.
    Yes, and in medium caliber (7,62x54, .300 WM) - the difference with the crafts of Kovrov, Izhevsk is very noticeable.
  23. IVZ
    0
    18 June 2022 07: 29
    Quote: Eug
    Perhaps the practice that existed in the RIA should be revived - when officers could acquire so-called. "recommended" samples of short barrels (in addition to those officially in service) and extend it to the weapons of "specialists"? Now this could be done on voluntary donations, taking into account the wishes of the l / s ...

    Samples were recommended for purchase on the basis of their official tests, and by no means PR companies. Lobaev’s samples did not pass such tests, although I know from communication with colleagues from TsNIITOCHMASH that Vladislav Evgenievich received such proposals. "Specialists" buy, test and use any weapon they need. And there is reliable information about the limited use of Lobaev rifles and ammunition for them by law enforcement officers to solve some non-trivial tasks.
  24. +1
    18 June 2022 21: 58
    I think that after SO, the Ministry of Defense will finally turn to the side
    Lobaev's developments. The man puffed, puffed,
    but created a business (and stayed on his feet),
    which in our conditions is already unique.

    Disgusting - every single one bought into possession
    Land Cruisers in Moscow bought with kickbacks and bribes
    that is - for easy money.

    And business appreciates a penny - rent or leasing.
    My opinion, of course.
    1. 0
      23 June 2022 20: 10
      I do not understand, the author writes
      "The maximum effective range has been increased to 1800 m. Accuracy at a distance of 100 m with a group of 5 shots is 0,35 MOA. At the maximum range, this parameter is 0,42 MOA."
      It is known that 1 MOA at a distance of 100 meters is equal to 2,9089 cm - for a distance of 1800m, this indicator will not be equal to 0,42 MOA.
      1. 0
        25 August 2022 13: 37
        roughly speaking, at 100 meters they give 0,35 MOA, i.e. at 1800 m it will already be 1,89 m, and at 0,42 MOA conditionally 2,2 meters .... By the way, rifles shooting from 0,35 MOA at 100-200 m are a dime a dozen .. And much cheaper than Lobanovskaya .. .
  25. 0
    28 June 2022 10: 46
    and here is more info on this topic: https://voenhronika.ru/publ/vojna_na_ukraine/snajpery_rossijskoj_armii_trebujut_vydat_im_vysokotochnye_vintovki_lobaeva_minobrony_rf_uvjazlo_v_bumagakh_oruzhie_na_front_ne_puskajut_2022/60-1-0-12455
  26. 0
    12 July 2022 14: 36
    And the barret continues to deliver to the American army, in what quantity annually? It’s good to show a unique wunder waffe at an exhibition, you need a mass-produced tool.
  27. 0
    5 August 2022 10: 29
    It doesn't take long to spank guns, it takes a long time to train a shooter. A shooter who can shoot at 1800m is a piece specialist. If in the states the selections and all sorts of championships are held regularly, there is infrastructure, etc. It’s all slow for us. Try to find a shooting range with a distance of up to 2 km. Where will we train shooters?
    1. 0
      25 August 2022 13: 40
      shooters study at DOSAAF, then they compete, study and improve at civilian shooting ranges, but this is from another life ... As long as the state limits a person’s ability to do what they love, there will be few shooters ...
  28. 0
    25 August 2022 13: 29
    [quote] In combat position, the DXL-3 has a length of 1,331 m with a height (excluding sight and other devices) of 190 mm. Own weight - 7,91 kg. Declared high fire performance. The maximum effective range has been increased to 1800 m. Accuracy at a distance of 100 m with a group of 5 shots is 0,35 MOA. At maximum range, this parameter is 0,42 MOA.
    / Quote]
    Something I am tormented by vague doubts about the declared characteristics ... If there is still nothing at 100 meters, then at the maximum range the results are absolutely incredible .. Not otherwise, a typo or a lie of pure water ..
    1. 0
      25 August 2022 21: 31
      Therefore, the accuracy of these guns is indicated at distances of 300 or 600 m in whole numbers of moa
      1. 0
        29 August 2022 10: 54
        It is indicated in hundredths of MOA at maximum range ...
        1. 0
          1 September 2022 09: 26
          Recalculate the MOA to the maximum range, a very real number.
          1. 0
            1 September 2022 17: 20
            Already counted, not an indicator ... That's just the point ..
  29. 0
    29 August 2022 20: 24
    Lobaev conducts a powerful PR campaign for his products. At the same time, the SVD and the requirements of the Moscow Region for reliability for weapons, which it cannot provide, seem to blacken. Interestingly, did the author get something from Lobaev or did he limit himself to a fee from VO?
  30. 0
    7 September 2022 17: 57
    The warehouses are probably full of excellent Berdan rifles. This is a wonderful weapon.
  31. 0
    14 September 2022 09: 41
    Carrying an almost two-meter rifle weighing more than 7 kg? Wake up. Do they also have to pay money for its production?

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