KF51 Panther: a quick overview of the new tank from Rheinmetall

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Armin Papperger at the presentation of the brainchild of his company. Source: www.edrmagazine.eu

The international arms exhibition Eurosatory, held every two years in Paris, often surprises the world community and military experts with the latest models of military equipment. The opening of the new season, which took place on June 13, 2022, was also not without new products.

This time, the focus was on the new Panther main battle tank from the German company Rheinmetall. The exact characteristics of this machine are not disclosed, and it is in fact a technology demonstrator, but the available data already allows us to get some idea about it.



The concept of the new "Panther"


Demonstrating the brainchild of his company to numerous journalists, experts and the military, Rheinmetall CEO Armin Papperger said that the Panther is a kind of continuation of the family tanks "Leopard-2". This statement was made probably for two reasons.

Firstly, to take advantage of the reputation of already proven and commercially successful machines.

Secondly, judging by the appearance, the novelty clearly has “leopard” features, at least in terms of the chassis and turret. It is possible that the internal elements, including the units of the engine compartment, in one form or another migrated from the main German tank.

KF 51 Panther at Eurosatory 2022. Source: otvaga2004.mybb.ru

KF 51 Panther at Eurosatory 2022. Source: otvaga2004.mybb.ru

The connection of generations is, of course, good, but what about innovations? As you know, in order to sell a new product, you need to point out its clear advantages over the old one. In terms of tanks, their list is almost always divided into three categories: firepower, armor and electronics. In this regard, the Germans did not become original and indicated the following in the Panther's advertising booklet:

- high firepower, realizing the principle of complete dominance and destruction of targets on the battlefield thanks to the new gun, the use drones-kamikaze and remote-controlled machine gun installation;

- All-aspect security against all types of anti-tank ammunition with the help of active, reactive and passive protection;

– expanded opportunities for monitoring the battlefield due to the “transparent armor” system and reconnaissance drones;

– full digital control of all sensors and machine systems.


However, here you can also add the layout of the tank. No, the location of the main compartments has not changed: the control compartment is in the bow of the hull, the fighting compartment is in the middle and the engine compartment is in the stern. They simply removed the loader from the tower, seated the commander and gunner to the left and right of the gun, and next to the driver they organized another workplace, which is occupied by either the commander of a tank unit or the UAV operator.

In general, as Rheinmetall says, their product should become a completely new and rethought tool capable of performing both fire missions and reconnaissance, communicating in a “multi-domain” network of a tactical level and above.

In addition, the manufacturer claims that the Panther has a reserve for the future and may well be equipped with an uninhabited tower in the manner of the Armata, or even become unmanned.

In general, the list of advantages is amusing. It's time to take a closer look at some of them.

Tank security


Sometimes you can come across the assertion that composite armor finally cut off the connection between the mass of the car and its security, but in fact this is not so. The stronger the protection, especially against sub-caliber shells, the more it weighs, which is demonstrated by the significantly heavier latest modifications of the American Abrams and German Leopards-2. But the "Panther" with a mass of 59 tons looks "thinner" against the background of its counterparts. There is no need to talk about any specific numbers of resistance to damaging agents here, due to the lack of data, but the tonnage clearly hints that the level of passive armor of the new tank is unlikely to exceed the Leopard-2A7.

The manufacturer also claims that the new tank has reactive, and in our opinion - just dynamic, protection. However, the design features of the modules installed on the turret and hull - with large area covers - indicate that we are most likely talking about a non-explosive type of remote sensing, which was used in the Leopard-2A5 turret "beaks" and consisted of steel sheets and spacers between them made of rubber-like material. Progress, of course, does not stand still, and therefore some structural elements could be replaced with more efficient and energy-intensive ones.

Screenshot from the KF51 Panther presentation video. Source: mikeshouts.com

Screenshot from the KF51 Panther presentation video. Source: mikeshouts.com

There is also active protection. In this case, Rheinmetall decided not to rely on third-party suppliers and used the AMAP (Advanced Modular Armor Protection) system, manufactured by ADS Gesellschaft für Aktive Schutzsysteme, a controlled company. This complex is a modular design weighing 600 kg, using fired ammunition with controlled detonation as a protective measure. Two groups of sensors are responsible for detecting attacking objects, which determine the trajectory, speed and type of projectile and transmit data to the on-board computer, which is already making a decision on firing counter-munitions. The reaction speed of the system is only 0,56 ms, which is quite enough to destroy not only anti-tank grenades and missiles, but also sub-caliber shells.

As homing roof-attacking anti-tank missiles become more common, the Panther is equipped with a system to detect and counter them. With opposition, everything is more or less clear: the Rheinmetall booklet talks about setting up an aerosol curtain that masks the tank in the upper hemisphere in the infrared range, but there are some questions about detection. However, most likely, we are talking about cameras operating in the infrared and ultraviolet ranges, capable of detecting a rocket by radiation from its engine.

The stern of the tank. A remote-controlled turret is visible. Source: otvaga2004.mybb.ru

The stern of the tank. A remote-controlled turret is visible. Source: otvaga2004.mybb.ru

Complementing this kind of "air defense" of the tank is the ability to destroy unmanned aerial vehicles using a remote-controlled machine gun mount of 7,62 mm caliber with 2 rounds of ammunition.

weaponry


Gun


One of the main features of the novelty is its cannon - a 130-mm L52 smoothbore gun. Here the manufacturer followed the path "neither ours nor yours." The fact is that Western tank builders have long been eyeing 140-mm guns, since the 120-mm tank guns in service have almost completely exhausted their modernization resource and can no longer provide a radical increase in muzzle energy, which directly affects the penetration ability of kinetic action shells .

View of the cannon and coaxial 12.7 mm machine gun. On the right are three types of shots for the new weapon. A launcher for kamikaze drones can be seen on the tower in the middle. Source: otvaga2004.mybb.ru

View of the cannon and coaxial 12,7 mm machine gun. On the right are three types of shots for the new weapon. A launcher for kamikaze drones can be seen on the tower in the middle. Source: otvaga2004.mybb.ru

However, the installation of a barrel of a larger caliber is accompanied by a number of problems, among which the main ones are: the mass and dimensions of the entire gun system and the reduction of the ammunition load. Therefore, Rheinmetall decided to use the golden mean. In terms of mass and dimensions, the L52 is almost identical to its 120 mm predecessor, but at the same time it provides 50% more muzzle energy, which, coupled with a 10 mm larger barrel diameter, will make it possible to create more powerful ammunition for various purposes.

Nevertheless, even the "intermediate" caliber of the "Panther" led to an increase in the mass of unitary shots to about 30 kg, so the loader - a man, in this tank was replaced by an automatic loader with a capacity of 20 shots. Ten more are in non-mechanized laying.

Kamikaze drones


In an effort to make a universal combat vehicle out of their offspring, German designers decided to equip the Panther with a launcher for HERO-120 kamikaze drones from the Israeli company UVision. It is located in the roof of the tower and allows you to alternately launch up to four drones. Any member of the crew can operate them.

HERO-120 is a loitering munition weighing 12,5 kg with cruciform plumage. With the help of a small electric motor and a propeller in the stern, this device is capable of flying at a distance of up to 40 kilometers day and night due to the thermal imaging channel. In principle, the capabilities of the HERO-120 allow it to be used as a reconnaissance aircraft, but its main purpose is to destroy enemy equipment and stationary objects using a 3,5-kg HEAT or high-explosive warhead to choose from.

HERO-120 kamikaze drone in flight. Source: weaponscollection.com

HERO-120 kamikaze drone in flight. Source: weaponscollection.com

Sights and observation of the battlefield


The gunner of the Panther has a multi-channel sight, which is actually installed in the frontal part of the tower, like the Leopard-2. Rheinmetall does not give exact and even approximate characteristics for it, but we can say with confidence that a standard set in the form of a telethermal imaging channel, an automatic target tracking machine and a laser rangefinder is present in it.

Approximately the same "stuffed" commander's panoramic observation device with a circular rotation of 360 degrees. With its help, the tank commander can monitor the area, detect and identify targets, fire at them from a cannon and a coaxial machine gun. The "hunter-shooter" principle is also implemented, when the commander marks the target, and the gunner hits it.

In general, there is nothing fundamentally new here. The only question is that behind the panorama there is a remote-controlled machine gun installation, which blocks a large part of the view in the aft projection.

Source: otvaga2004.mybb.ru

Source: otvaga2004.mybb.ru

Additional visibility is provided by the "transparent armor" system, consisting of cameras installed in all projections of the tank. The image from them goes to the displays of all crew members, therefore, not only the commander or gunner, but also the driver can find out what is happening outside - just select the appropriate option on the screen.

Separately, it is worth noting that the HERO drones mentioned above are not the only ones in the Panther. Yes, in the roof of the tower, closer to the sides, there are niches for two quadrocopters used for reconnaissance at short distances from the tank. They will not be able to accompany the car for a long time - the batteries are unlikely to be enough for more than half an hour of flight, and it is not at all clear whether they are disposable or not, but the option, in principle, is useful.

Reconnaissance quadcopter. Source: otvaga2004.mybb.ru

Reconnaissance quadcopter. Source: otvaga2004.mybb.ru

NGVA


The fact that the tank can be made unmanned or even turned into Robot with artificial intelligence, they say for a long time. To some extent, this is already becoming bad manners and smacks of cheap advertising. Rheinmetall decided to pick up this trend not only in words, but also in deeds.

According to the assurances of the developers, the Panther is one of the few examples of military equipment that is fully adapted to the standards of the NGVA (NATO Generic Vehicle Architecture). That is, the vast majority of tank systems are connected to a single data exchange bus through special interfaces and are controlled by a central on-board computer. This means that any member of the crew has access to all incoming information (for example, the driver can turn on the image from the drone on his display) and can even partially perform the functions of another tanker without getting up from his workplace.

In addition, NGVA expands the ability to integrate new systems into the tank, working on a "plug and play" principle. As for the future, this standard may well be used to create an unmanned vehicle, because the on-board computer can be controlled remotely. Although it looks more realistic to introduce some software elements such as automatic target recognition, etc., which make life easier for the crew.

Conclusion


What can be said about the "Panther"? Probably, the fact that this is just a modified Leopard-2, which does not at all attract revolutionary design. Of course, there are no questions about electronics, a gun and good visibility. But, looking at other aspects, it may seem that the designers first made the right decision, and then contradicting it.

The advertising booklet says that the tank is perfectly protected from all types of projectiles on the battlefield. And this is largely due to active defense - the bet was made correctly. The experience of many military conflicts directly says that military equipment needs all-round protection, at least from missiles and grenades, not to mention sub-caliber shells. But this should not be done at the expense of passive armor. What do we see in the "Panther"? With, in general, dimensions similar to the Leopard, it weighs 59 tons, that is, most likely, they simply did not deal with a radical improvement (weighting) of the reservation.

No less strange is the formal reduction in the number of crew to three people. On the one hand, Rheinmetall seems to be proud of this and directly says that their tank is with an eye on the future, and now they can reduce the number of tankers by automating systems. On the other hand, as if by chance, one moment slips by: just in case of a fire, we left a place for a fourth person in the control department next to the driver - in fact, it is for the commander of a tank unit, but in fact it will be occupied by a special operator who controls a whole horde of drones. At the same time, the combat value of these HERO-120s as part of tank armament is very doubtful.

In general, of course, the "Panther" leaves an ambivalent impression of itself. All these innovations in the form of a new gun, electronics, active protection and other things are really necessary. But the feeling that the seller is trying to sell the old product in a new wrapper is still present.

The fact that this tank, most likely, will not be adopted, is also said in the pro-government structures of Germany. So, one of the foreign newspapers published an article that Rheinmetall was simply trying to undermine cooperation between Germany and France in the field of creating a single tank, thus claiming a part of the budget money. Considering that a record 100 billion euros were recently announced for the modernization of the German army, this statement looks quite realistic.
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  1. +12
    17 June 2022 05: 36
    In terms of tanks, their list is almost always divided into three categories: firepower, armor and electronics.
    Have you forgotten about mobility?
    1. +6
      17 June 2022 05: 43
      As the saying goes: "Now with all this bullshit, we'll try to take off."
      Reconnaissance drones are, of course, very good. The rest is already so-so. I doubt that KAZ is capable of destroying BOPS, speed with speed, but physical capabilities are doubtful. Where can you see this KAZ? Protection from roofers is like that of other tanks, but the "Armata" has a strong advantage in the form of an uninhabited tower. In general, it does not pull on a breakthrough.
      1. +2
        17 June 2022 06: 15
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Reconnaissance drones are of course very good.

        But why sculpt them on a tank. It can take off from the rear vehicle, without advertising, and land there. There will be no problems with maintenance and shift work.
        1. +9
          17 June 2022 06: 20
          Quote: Genry
          But why sculpt them on a tank. It can take off from the rear vehicle, without advertising, and land there. There will be no problems with maintenance and shift work.

          So we will agree on vehicles and support infantry! laughing But you never know, suddenly the car will be in isolation, so at least lay a safe route of departure. The right thing, do not argue!
          1. +1
            17 June 2022 07: 16
            Many countries are capable of sawing down a tank with similar characteristics ... the problem is whether these countries have the money to organize the production of large batches of new tanks, to purchase them, and also to operate them.
            1. +9
              17 June 2022 08: 07
              Quote: Civil
              Many countries are capable of sawing down a tank with similar characteristics

              On your kit? Don't tell.
              1. -3
                17 June 2022 08: 27
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Quote: Civil
                Many countries are capable of sawing down a tank with similar characteristics

                On your kit? Don't tell.

                This is also the price of the issue. No more.
                1. +5
                  17 June 2022 10: 28
                  Quote: Civil
                  This is also the price of the issue. No more.

                  Those. neither the experience of the Russian Federation nor Turkey shows you anything?
                2. +2
                  17 June 2022 17: 15
                  Do you think that dumping dollars into an open field, they will begin to appear there, literally grow on a tree, metal products?
                  1. +2
                    18 June 2022 12: 35
                    Not in all countries, we are talking about countries with developed industry ... such as South Korea, Germany or Russia.
            2. +7
              17 June 2022 20: 31
              A lot of countries? And what, so many countries have their own tank building? You can actually count them on the fingers.
              1. 0
                11 June 2023 07: 11
                I counted 24 countries that develop and manufacture tank equipment. Even if you count on your feet, where can you get 4 more fingers? Maybe you have 6 of them everywhere?
                In alphabetical order so that no one is offended:
                - Brazil,
                - Great Britain,
                - Germany,
                - Israel,
                - India,
                - Iran,
                - Italy,
                - China,
                - North Korea,
                - Pakistan,
                - Poland,
                - Russian Federation,
                - Romania,
                - Serbia,
                - USA,
                - Turkey,
                - Ukraine,
                - France,
                - Croatia,
                - Czech,
                - Sweden,
                - South Africa,
                - South Korea,
                - Japan.
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        2. +7
          17 June 2022 06: 31
          drones look much better than those launched through the ATGM barrel
          1. -6
            17 June 2022 11: 09
            great idea (!)
            on the T-14, not if, but when they put a 152-mm gun
            then through the barrel past the ATGM Kornet, ARS Krasnopol, we will also launch UAVs
            by the type of folding like the MLRS Tornado only reduced to 152 mm
          2. +3
            17 June 2022 13: 49
            Drones are slow and have a large wingspan. ATGMs are fast and much more difficult to shoot down.
            1. 0
              24 June 2022 11: 52
              The drone attacks from above (which is why not a single tank has defense at all now), and try to see it and hit it, it just seems that it is very easy to shoot it down.
              1. 0
                11 June 2023 07: 27
                ATGMs also attack from above: BGM-71F (TOW-2В), NLAW, FGM-148 (Javelin), HJ-12 (红箭-12, Hóng Jiàn-12), Akeron, Stugna-P. Another thing is that this medal has another side: there are fewer fragments from the thinner roof armor. Therefore, some do not bother with such frills, but simply make a tandem cumulative warhead. Bad shtol? Fine!
        3. -2
          17 June 2022 20: 22
          well, I would not refuse to have a couple so that it was because constantly driving with a support car is nonsense

          Now here's what would be the bomb. this is to include regular electronic warfare where the thread is in the tank so that it works as a jammer for both GPS and communications. who will be the first to build this into a tank will be a bomb
          1. +4
            18 June 2022 11: 36
            Quote: Drt Fd
            it would be the bomb. this is to turn on regular electronic warfare where the thread in the tank so that it works as a jammer

            You have no idea how much space this crap will take up! Then, antennas, generators, calculation / operators ...
            No, NOT ICE!!! No.
        4. +3
          18 June 2022 11: 29
          Quote: Genry
          Reconnaissance drones are of course very good.
          But why sculpt them on a tank
          The creators also assigned reconnaissance functions to PANTHER. And for intelligence, LOOKING from above is an irreplaceable thing!
      2. +10
        17 June 2022 06: 21
        Kaz trophy can be seen on Abrams and Merkava.
        1. +1
          17 June 2022 08: 12
          Quote: kytx
          Kaz trophy can be seen on Abrams and Merkava.

          So the Trophy, which BOPS EMNIP does not take, otherwise AMAP (Advanced Modular Armor Protection), produced by the controlled company ADS Gesellschaft für Aktive Schutzsysteme. and what comes up in the search does not pull on BOPS interceptors.
          1. +5
            17 June 2022 14: 20
            Modern Kaz do not take bops, all developer applications are dregs IMHO
      3. -6
        17 June 2022 11: 14
        but "Armata" has a strong advantage in the form of an uninhabited tower. In general, it does not pull on a breakthrough.

        The main advantage of the Armata is the ability to install a 152mm tank gun.
        Which makes all the protection of today's and future Western tanks useless.
        1. -4
          17 June 2022 11: 49
          Quote: lucul
          The main advantage of the Armata is the ability to install a 152mm tank gun.

          This goes without saying, but in terms of armor protection from roofers, "Armata" is out of competition.
          1. +3
            18 June 2022 11: 42
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            in terms of armor protection from roofers, "Armata" is out of competition.
            Vladimir, but what, JAVELIN can no longer hit the engine room or the gun of ARMATA from above?
            Yes, the crew is hidden in an armored capsule, but the rest of the "body" of the vehicle must be covered by KAZ, including from attacks "from above".
            IMHO.
            1. 0
              19 June 2022 12: 33
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Vladimir, but what, JAVELIN can no longer hit the engine room or the gun of ARMATA from above?

              Good! The point is only partly in the isolated control compartment. Look sideways at the "Armata" tower. It is noticeably higher than the T-72-80 and even 90s tanks with the same gun and gun landing. Those. FROM THE TOP, the combat UNINITIATED compartment is at least protected by spaced armor at the level of the side screens. MTO in the usual position of the tower with the gun forward is covered by a developed aft basket.
              It is obvious.
        2. 0
          17 June 2022 20: 23
          it seems they said that 125 has more penetration than 152?
          or is it simply meant to take a landmine with such a caliber of explosion enough to damage an enemy car for mass?
          1. 0
            11 June 2023 07: 31
            Who said that? Haven't they said yet that 100 has more penetration than 125, 85 has more penetration than 100, and so on?
      4. +3
        17 June 2022 18: 02
        I doubt that KAZ is capable of destroying BOPS

        The big threat now is from ATGMs, javelins from greenery and from the roof destroy tanks so easily that it’s just right to abandon them altogether. KAZ, in comparison with the T72, gives almost indestructibility and can beat off ATGMs a dozen times without consequences for the tank in urban battles.
        There was an article on the VO about the future, with the importance of drones, while the RF Ministry of Defense had not yet realized that the Germans had already done it - the regular destruction of other people's drones and their own set of reconnaissance drones and kamikaze drones. There are videos taken from an UAV that observes and corrects fire on the T72, the latter is helplessly circling and cannot do anything until it is hit, the Panther would immediately destroy the UAV in this case.
        1. -1
          17 June 2022 20: 33
          Do you keep repeating stories from dill about the all-powerful javelin? Not tired yet?
      5. +1
        18 June 2022 11: 25

        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Protection from roofers is like that of other tanks, but the "Armata" has a strong advantage in the form of an uninhabited tower.

        So the article seems to say that the PANTHER tower is also "uninhabited" ... But at the same time, a place for the loader is "booked" next to the mechanical drive ... If our ARMATA has an uninhabited tower, then it has the appropriate volume .. .
        1. +2
          18 June 2022 19: 26
          The article says that the loader was removed from the tower, and the gunner and the commander remained there
        2. 0
          19 June 2022 12: 38
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          So the article seems to say that the PANTHER tower is also "uninhabited" ... But at the same time, a place for the loader is "booked" next to the mechanical drive ... If our ARMATA has an uninhabited tower, then it has the appropriate volume .. .
          You have already been answered about the "uninhabitability" of the "Panther" tower, and I will add about the isolation of the "Armata" crew with an explosion-proof bulkhead.
      6. 0
        19 June 2022 19: 27
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Where can you see this KAZ?

        You can see it on Israeli tanks
        1. 0
          20 June 2022 03: 14
          Quote: Pilat2009
          You can see it on Israeli tanks

          German to Israeli?
          In this case, Rheinmetall decided not to rely on third-party suppliers and used the AMAP (Advanced Modular Armor Protection) system, manufactured by ADS Gesellschaft für Aktive Schutzsysteme, a controlled company.
      7. 0
        20 June 2022 14: 50
        an uninhabited tower is a so-so advantage, because any breakdown / malfunction of the components / assemblies and mechanisms located in the tower automatically leads to zeroing the combat potential of the machine ...
        1. -1
          21 June 2022 22: 49
          Why? Access to the main simple systems is quite possible to organize, as for me. We arrived somewhere where it was more or less safe, got out of the capsule, climbed into the tower through some technical holes hidden under the armor (the armor would have to be unscrewed). Why not? And if something complex and subtle breaks down, then you don’t even have to try with an inhabited tower. I'm sure you can't fix any processor or scanner in the field. Such a shortcoming, in my opinion.
          With an obvious advantage - increased crew survival. Yes, and the opportunity to plant on top of the armor appears, since there are no more people in the tower.
          1. 0
            23 June 2022 15: 47
            "... an obvious advantage - increased crew survivability ..." - you are confusing reality, the only task of an armored vehicle is to complete the assigned combat mission, and NOT at all to ensure the high safety of the precious carcasses of the crew ...
            1. +1
              23 June 2022 17: 05
              Well, they are the same goals. Situations when they become opposite are very, very rare and often occur as a result of serious mistakes in command. If your crew dies, he will no longer perform combat.
              1. 0
                23 June 2022 17: 49
                a conventional T72/T80 tank has three firing modes:
                - automatic - when everything is in order - the main mode;
                - semi-automatic - with a partial failure of the elements of the SLA and the mechanisms of the fighting compartment;
                - manual - with a complete failure of the control system and elements of the fighting compartment.

                in case of any breakdown (malfunction) in the fighting compartment, the T72 / T80 crew has the opportunity to continue the task, but if there is no one in the fighting compartment, like the T14, then any breakdown (malfunction), and this happens periodically during operation , will inevitably lead to NOT being able to complete the task ... and what's the point of the fact that at the same time the carcasses of the crew members in the capsule will be inviolable ????
                1. 0
                  23 June 2022 20: 43
                  I didn't think about that aspect. And the truth makes little sense. It remains to rely on the reliability of the systems in the T-14 and their duplication.
    2. -3
      17 June 2022 08: 12
      Bullshit mobility, the main thing is the price and quantity. Well, they will make a couple of dozen at a price like a hundred Leopards 2, and what will these monsters fight, and most importantly where? No matter how you protect the tank, in the modern world it is super-vulnerable, and therefore the quantity wins. The experience of the Second World War does not teach the Germans anything at all.
      1. +6
        17 June 2022 17: 17
        Well, you should understand that the quantity is also not very important if the quantity is an end in itself.
        So the same Germans had a lot of their second and third models. Yes, and we had more light tanks than many countries. But if you rely only on quantity, then the quality will not be so hot.
        What is the point of 10000 tanks if infantry weapons (grenades and simple rocket-propelled grenades / grenade launchers, without any ATGMs and Artillery) are suitable for destroying each of them. It also makes no sense to create a tank capable of surviving almost an air bombardment. A protected tank is certainly good, but if they can be made in the amount of only 10 pieces, then what's the point in these prodigies. So the optimal is an average tank with mass production. Another thing is that due to the huge number of means of combating armored vehicles in the army and aviation, it is not clear where the point of "optimality" is located between security and mass production.
        1. +1
          18 June 2022 11: 47
          The effectiveness of grenades / grenade launchers and ATGMs is greatly exaggerated, which is now being proven live. Aviation remains the main enemy of the tank on the battlefield.
          1. +1
            20 June 2022 08: 09
            Yeah, it's exaggerated, provided that the tank does not enter their zone of action or uses tactics that allow you to quickly escape from the shelling. Let the tanks try to go head-on against the trained infantry with grenade launchers and ATGMs.
            1. 0
              20 June 2022 09: 42
              Javelins and NLAWs are found unused in positions. They can be used at close range, which is fatal for the calculation. This is a weapon for urban combat.
        2. 0
          20 June 2022 08: 07
          And what's the point in a hundred tanks worth a thousand, despite the fact that these tanks are perfectly destroyed with modern hand weapons and no KAZ, hinged armor, etc. help? In fact, now a tank is a cannon on tracks, as soon as it enters the zone of action of ATGMs, grenade launchers, it comes kirdyk.
      2. +3
        18 June 2022 11: 50
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        The experience of the Second World War does not teach the Germans anything at all.
        It is unpleasant to remember, but during the Second World War, the Germans had 1 TIGER from a distance of 1800m shot a dozen of our T-34s while they approached 400-500m to defeat the "beast". These are not my inventions. These are the memories of tank heroes. Therefore, the Germans think about the qualitative superiority.
        (Remember Lenin: - BETTER LESS, YES BETTER!)
        1. 0
          18 June 2022 20: 57
          When the SU / ISU-152, IS-2 and ISU-122 appeared, the tigers somehow drastically deflated ...
        2. +2
          20 June 2022 10: 54
          It's nice to remember, but while the Tiger was shooting the T34 from 2 km, the T34 found areas where there were no Tigers, bypassed the German units from the flanks and rear, winning. It is probably unpleasant for you to remember that half of the Tigers broke down on the marches, running along the entire front, trying to close the gaps made by the T34, but often did not have time, breaking along the way.
          Tanks are not designed to fight tanks, their task is to break into the defense, encircle the enemy, and building up the anti-tank abilities of the tank is out of desperation. The main enemy of the T34 is SHTUG.
          1. 0
            25 June 2022 16: 16
            The cousin told how it was during the Battle of Kursk. They called all the commanders and punished them - no initiative. Wait for the messenger with the package. No negotiations. They dispersed to their units, the tanks were hidden in the forest belt. Apparently they knew when the Germans would attack. German tanks appeared from the lowlands above the hillock, large ones and behind them already a trifle. Something snorted overhead and the turret flew off the German tank and the tank overturned. and then another tank. Then the shelling stopped and the planes appeared and began to bomb the tanks. They started to burn. German tanks began to descend back over the hill. Then the Katyushas began to fire at them. When they were still shooting. A messenger arrived on a motorcycle with an order to launch an attack. They wound up and at full speed jumped out onto this hillock, and there was no one behind it, except for craters and burning tanks, cars, dead soldiers. There was no way to go there. They explained this to the headquarters and a maize man appeared in the sky, who apparently was a scout, and they were given a direction of action. Until the evening they chased until the time when the fuel ran out. Later on, a means of combating the heavy tanks of the Germans was chosen. Bypasses, ambushes, luring. What one made a tank out of iron, the other can make a bunch of scrap metal out of it.
    3. +3
      18 June 2022 08: 44
      With mobility when under the ass MTU everything is in order.
  2. +8
    17 June 2022 05: 36
    Very nice looking tank. And because of the camouflage, you can't really see it even at the exhibition stand :)
    1. -2
      21 June 2022 22: 53
      And because of the camouflage, you can't really see it even at the exhibition stand :)

      Just imagine what will happen in the swamps!
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  4. -19
    17 June 2022 05: 44
    I have a question for the gentlemen from Rheinmetall. Are you bad with a thinker? Panther, well, what a fresher name for a german tank! Where is the chassis with a staggered arrangement of rollers? Kniepkamp will swear! And further. Sentence. Name the next tank Tiger. Ours will be easier. Double the fun: hit the Panthers and Tigers in exactly the same way as in 44-45. lol
    1. +8
      17 June 2022 09: 16
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      Panther, wow, what a fresh name for a German tank!

      Panther II if correct.
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      beat Panthers and Tigers exactly the same as in 44-45

      On the T-72BZ. Good luck.
      1. -16
        17 June 2022 11: 16
        On the T-72BZ. Good luck.

        if the T-72B3 is in a tank trench with a firing sector of 35 degrees (fire map not included)
        - as a reinforcement of a platoon on 3 BMP-3s.
        Target: KF51 Panther-2
        + 18 hits of 125 mm BOPS / KS / HE
        + 4 hits of Reflex-M missiles
        + 3 bursts of 30mm assault rifles: 900 HE, 600 BB
        + 9 hits of 100-mm Brass Knuckle missiles
        well, what will happen after all this with this KF51 Panther-2 (?) - colander
        in general, I think that motorized rifles will request air support: Su-25, Su-34, Ka-52, Mi-28
        well, or at least art support: Msta-S 152-mm from closed positions
        1. +17
          17 June 2022 11: 28
          A dug-in, that is, a machine that has lost its mobility with an enemy that has an advantage in awareness? Great idea. And light vehicles against a tank are also a good option. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, but personally you can.
          1. +8
            17 June 2022 12: 12
            Plus, the Panther will have 4 kamikaze drones: just right for this motionless T-72 with three infantry fighting vehicles.
            1. -12
              17 June 2022 14: 33
              your Panther will be destroyed while loading or on the march for 50 km front-line aviation
              or for 150 km ALCM / ALCM
              1. +2
                21 June 2022 22: 55
                And the owners of the Panther will not have their own aviation, and even more so air defense systems?
          2. -8
            17 June 2022 15: 28
            A dug-in, that is, a machine that has lost its mobility

            interesting and KF51 Panthers have blade to dig a trench NO
            wrote the same fire map not included - do you generally understand the tactics of building the defense of a motorized rifle battalion / company / platoon (?)
            tank T-72B3 put to block the defense sector even 2 platoons on 6 BMP-3
            6 BMP-3 (dump/trench/20 min) occupy the defense along the front 3 km
            T-72B3 uses multiple positions (tank dump / 5 trenches), tangentially overlapping both platoons
            .
            tank trenches are different, even with an upper covering and with the exit of up to 4 firing sectors (positions / trenches), for subsequent withdrawal into cover
            .
            it also happens to be reinforced with an anti-tank platoon on the Shturma-S ATGM, also in a trench (2 hours because MTLB without a blade) + spare positions in all areas of other platoons
      2. +2
        17 June 2022 13: 39
        Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
        Panther, wow, what a fresh name for a German tank!

        Panther II if correct.

        Read the title of the article. Where does it say "Panther ll"?
        1. +4
          17 June 2022 13: 56
          It's not written there. I only supported the conversation about the traditions of the Panzerwaffe.
          1. +1
            17 June 2022 17: 02
            Panther-2 was already in the projects of the Third Reich, but it’s some kind of unclear project, it would be better if Leopard-2 would have carried out another modernization, to the question of armor protection and armor penetration of a tank gun, in fact, I have questions about the armor protection of the project, it feels like they want the Germans want to cut the German military budget, it seems the project is still damp lol lol lol hi
            1. +5
              17 June 2022 19: 46
              Quote: General70
              Panther-2 in the projects of the Third Reich has already been

              Yes, I heard something.
              Quote: General70
              it would be better for Leopard-2 to carry out another upgrade

              This is Leo-2,5 ​​in essence.
              Quote: General70
              such a feeling that the Germans want

              This is stated at the end of the article. There is a suspicion that the next all-European weapons project will end with another smashing of plates. In this case, there is a ready-made purely German version. Moderate improvements, but mastered technologies without much risk.
              1. +1
                17 June 2022 19: 52
                Yes agree comrade good hi
      3. +3
        18 June 2022 12: 05
        Quote: Negro
        On the T-72BZ. Good luck.

        Why are you being so modest!?
        They would have immediately put (removed from the pedestal) against the veteran PANTHER - T-34! And ARMATA is for parades ... "take care of it!"
        In fact, this is in the tradition of "negroes": to set up our "yesterday" against the Western "sovnov" and then bawl about the superiority of the West over Russia.
        Nah, that won't do! we are not at war with CONCEPTS (well, or "demonstrators"). When the Germans bungled an industrial design, then we'll see what else can be done with this prodigy so that it does not loom on the battlefield for a long time.
        AHA.
        1. +2
          18 June 2022 12: 28
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          against the Western "sons" to expose our "yesterday"

          T-73BZ is just today. Tomorrow, as it were, the T-62 did not reach.
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          When the Germans bungled an industrial design, then we'll see what else can be done with this prodigy

          Yes, that's right. It is now widely known that the best tool for dealing with German tanks is Chancellor Scholz. From the point of view of the possibility of a direct collision in the near future, another Panther, K2, is more interesting. However, in the German case, only the desire of the Bundeswehr to buy it, but not the ability of Rheinmetal to produce it, raises doubts.

          Unlike Armata.
          1. -3
            18 June 2022 17: 37
            Quote: Negro
            T-73BZ is just today. Tomorrow, as it were, the T-62 did not reach.

            “Today, tomorrow, not everyone can watch. Or rather, not only everyone can watch, few people can do it. FROM.

            T-62 at Vrubovka near Severodonetsk
            1. 0
              18 June 2022 17: 57
              Yes, already heard. Life is ahead of the dream.
      4. +1
        21 June 2022 11: 44
        Panther II if correct.

        It was also, albeit in the form of a project. Then Panther III is better.
  5. -3
    17 June 2022 05: 53
    They pushed the Negro Joe out(and how they sang that the machine gun is worse than the Negro)they pushed back the gunner-radio operator from WWII laughing
    1. +7
      17 June 2022 14: 31
      Selecting a separate crew member for a personal UAV that will work in the interests of a particular tank is quite a solution. In our time, there will be no tank hordes as before, there will be few tanks on the battlefield and they will rarely shoot but accurately.
      1. +3
        18 June 2022 08: 52
        First sane comment. In our time, it is very interesting and effective for a separate crew member who would be engaged in reb, reconnaissance of the area and the enemy with UAVs, with their level of real-time data exchange, with an excellent panorama and the tank is good. The only question is security.
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      2. -2
        21 June 2022 23: 02
        It seems to me that if 59 crew members were left at 3 tons, oh, how much space and mass would remain under the armor and all sorts of systems. I read about the disappearance of the loader, I thought: "Finally! Now they will put thick armor into these 60 tons with some free space." Yeah, how.
        I think the UAV could well be controlled by a neural network or other AI-like technology. It's time to bring smart machines to the battlefield. The commander tells the drone what it should do, and it does. This would be great.
  6. +3
    17 June 2022 05: 57
    Wrote-wrote. Read-read. And in the end it turned out that
    The fact that this tank, most likely, will not be adopted, is also said in the pro-government structures of Germany.

    those. All this is ADVERTISING.
    1. 0
      18 June 2022 13: 33
      You say that like there's something wrong with it
      They are a commercial firm if that
      1. +1
        18 June 2022 13: 44
        You say that like there's something wrong with it

        I don't like advertising in any form
  7. +6
    17 June 2022 06: 49
    The fact that a tank can be made unmanned or even turned into a robot with artificial intelligence has been talked about for a long time.

    AI with sensors is needed to automatically determine the target, identify it and select a priority. Automatic selection and aiming of weapons. All this is necessary to reduce the reaction time, which ensures the protection of the tank by preempting enemy fire. This tank has none of that. In addition, the experience of fighting in Syria and Ukraine has not been taken into account at all; combat in conditions of saturation with anti-tank weapons.
  8. -3
    17 June 2022 07: 00
    In general, kamikaze drones on a tank ... this is probably superfluous. Any pickup truck can launch them quietly ... without tank noise and dust and unscrew faster. So the new tank turned out to be like the supposedly new Niva-travel - the inside is still the same old leopard .. and the outer wrapper was changed ... so that the suckers would rush to a beautiful spectacular appearance and buy already 1.5 times more expensive. The caliber of the gun is 5 mm larger than that of the Armata ... but the Armata is also 5 mm larger than that of all NATO tanks ... and so, with 30 shells for the Panther, it’s somehow not enough against 45 for the Armata.
    Well, cherry - the Germans installed an automatic loader in their advanced and newest tank only in 2022 ... and then only on an exhibition copy ... and when the troops reach serial production, another 10 years will pass. In short, the Germans with weapons ... in particular, with tanks, the situation is the same as we have with the Chevrolet Niva. An old candy from 50 years ago was wrapped in a spectacular wrapper and sold like a new tank.
    1. -3
      17 June 2022 09: 15
      yes, many actually do it .. the t-72 family to t-90, leopards, abrams, a bunch of versions, etc.. they save the budget .. although the gain is not bad due to the gun .. and in terms of "strength" the first versions from the latest- very different .. according to Armata, I don’t think that this car can be considered as a competitor for comparison, the basis is old, this is a deep modernization of Leo ...
  9. -2
    17 June 2022 07: 04
    tank 120-mm guns have almost completely exhausted their modernization resource and can no longer provide a radical increase in muzzle energy, which directly affects the penetration ability of kinetic projectiles.
    They can, they can. It's just that the survivability of the barrel will radically decrease from the increased heat.
    But the "Panther" with a mass of 59 tons looks "thinner"
    Fuck how thin the tank is! Up to 69 tons. Total body positivity.
    Additional visibility is provided by the "transparent armor" system, consisting of cameras installed in all projections of the tank.
    And are these cameras protected from commonplace dust and dirt from moving a large puddle?
  10. -3
    17 June 2022 07: 52
    Q.E.D. Gradual introduction of UAVs to armored vehicles. Here's an odd choice. It seems that he does not know how to return with a landing on his own, and recharging is not visible. Modern combat. He sent a UAV, fired a rocket from behind a hill at its light, and you don’t even need to see the enemy. laughing I’m thinking that the tank in its classic form is outdated in itself with the presence of a gun.
    I see a new type of armored vehicles. Like a tank, only without a gun, with a battery of compact, homing missiles. No need to aim, shooting at full speed and in the complete absence of visibility of the enemy.
    1. +3
      17 June 2022 09: 58
      I see a new type of armored vehicles. Like a tank, only without a gun, with a battery of compact, homing missiles. No need to aim, shooting at full speed and in the complete absence of visibility of the enemy.

      As far as I know, this idea is not new.
      Remember at least the Sturm complex based on the MTLB or the more ancient Bumblebee based on the BRDM-1.
      1. -4
        17 June 2022 12: 23
        Close, but not what I had in mind. Booking like a tank with a cassette part where missiles are stored. A vertical launch, after which the rocket corrects itself. That is, the car fires off a rocket on the move, it does not need to stand. After that, the rocket corrects itself and flies to the target, and the car is already far from the launch site.
        1. +1
          17 June 2022 19: 56
          In short, I will say this, functionality and simplicity are genius, and I completely agree with you hi
        2. 0
          17 June 2022 20: 44
          Fantastic... so far.
          1. +1
            18 June 2022 11: 59
            Yes, no, that's a pretty obvious idea. Only usually NLOS missiles are put on an armored personnel carrier or even a jeep: they are NLOS for that, that they don’t fall under fire, you don’t need to carry armor. But there were also options with tanks, for example, the Israeli Pereh
            1. 0
              18 June 2022 15: 47
              And where is he... now.
              1. +2
                18 June 2022 16: 13
                Considered a dead end branch of evolution. If missiles hit 20+ km, why put them on a tank chassis?
                1. 0
                  18 June 2022 19: 25
                  Here is your answer...
                  1. 0
                    18 June 2022 19: 32
                    Well, that is not science fiction, but rather a conceptually outdated model.

                    However, there is a non-zero probability that this idea will be returned. There will be some Namer with a 40mm cannon module and a UVP block of helfires or spikes.
                    1. 0
                      18 June 2022 19: 49
                      Not in the next 100 years...
                      1. +2
                        18 June 2022 20: 49
                        Why? The current design of the tank is defined by a large gun, which is not needed for anything other than firing at other tanks. A medium-caliber cannon module, 40 or 57 mm, will solve any other tasks, and against tanks it is quite possible to take a dozen missiles, this is more than enough.

                        Another thing is that in theory this idea has been spinning for 30 years, but in practice, we'll see.
                      2. +2
                        19 June 2022 17: 05
                        Recent conflicts show that it is too early to write off a classic tank, therefore, things do not go beyond projects, because reality makes its own adjustments.
                      3. +1
                        19 June 2022 21: 04
                        Recent conflicts show that in many situations the tank is still useful, even indispensable. How useful the Iowa LCs were in Iraq 1991. However, this does not mean that the current design of the tank is ideal for its tasks and cannot be fundamentally changed to make the best use of modern technological capabilities.

                        Note that I am not saying that the design of the tank needs to be changed, especially the RF Armed Forces. But the discussion of this topic is ongoing, so some experiments in the coming years are quite possible.
                      4. 0
                        20 June 2022 12: 33
                        Maybe, but I personally doubt it.
                      5. 0
                        21 June 2022 23: 12
                        Armata is quite an experiment. A capsule, a tower, a bunch of different systems ... It's a pity that at least a few units do not take part in the SVO. It would be interesting to see how the concept performs in real combat.
                      6. -1
                        21 June 2022 23: 10
                        a big gun that is not needed for anything other than firing at other tanks.

                        I don’t know how it is in practice, but in theory ... Why not use a cannon to shoot down buildings with enemies who have settled there? There will be more damage from a 120-125 mm projectile than from a 57 mm one. The same goes for other infantry fortifications. It’s not an ATGM to spend on a conditional bunker. Of course, you can start a song about artillery and aviation, but it seems that the advantage of a tank is precisely that it has firepower comparable to an artillery gun due to a large cannon, but at the same time it is right next to it, and not somewhere there, in connection with which he will always come to the rescue.
                        Here, of course, it is necessary to calculate, in a good way, from which more destruction will occur. From n 125mm rounds or from x>n 57mm rounds. But I have no idea how to do it right.
                        So you belittled the role of the big gun. She's a big gun for everything.
        3. 0
          18 June 2022 11: 55
          Everything has already been thought of and done.
          https://topwar.ru/90298-izrailskiy-raketnyy-tank-pereh.html
      2. +2
        17 June 2022 19: 58
        Or the Dragon missile tank, based on the T-55, in the 50-60s of the last century winked hi good
  11. +2
    17 June 2022 07: 57
    A beautiful commercial and a cute tank. The LeapYord looks more like a claim of opportunity than a prototype. What the author says at the end of the article.
  12. -3
    17 June 2022 08: 10
    In short, it turned out, I think, a monster costing 2-3 times more than the Leopard 2 of the latest model. What a reason to cut the budget. They will make a couple of dozen pieces or even refuse to purchase, since this is a toy that no one needs in modern Europe.
    It remains to find suckers who will buy this miracle, although if they bought the F35, I think they will take it.
  13. +1
    17 June 2022 08: 22
    they have leo 2a7 sometimes in small quantities in their army, but this expensive thing, no matter how much they do, a hundred. maximum two. it won't affect anything
  14. 0
    17 June 2022 08: 30
    Haha. First they paint the pros, but it is necessary to scold at the end ....

    "this is just a modified Leopard-2, which does not at all attract revolutionary design."
    New cannon, uninhabited tower, different weight and armor, drones and electronics....
    What for still and revolution?
    1. +1
      17 June 2022 20: 43
      Did you read the article carefully or what? Where did they find an uninhabited tower?
      1. 0
        17 June 2022 22: 37
        Yes, he was wrong. Confused with another article also about a German tank.
        1. 0
          18 June 2022 15: 45
          Happens to everyone hi
  15. +2
    17 June 2022 10: 45
    The main thing is to sell.
    But how will these tanks show in battle?
    The fact that they didn’t make it heavier is more of a virtue, because attempts to create impenetrable monsters are futile, the enemy will find how and where to pierce, but mobility suffers greatly.
    So far, only Russian tanks, on both sides of the NVO, and Israeli ones have a lot of practice.
    1. -1
      21 June 2022 23: 16
      I think if you initially aim at creating a completely uninhabited tank with firepower comparable to current models, then the power of modern engines will be enough to move such a vehicle, even if it is made practically invulnerable to modern weapons.
      But the tank is not an UAV, it is obviously easier to lose contact with it. And this means that it is necessary to provide for situations in which the machine will be able to make a decision on the destruction of people completely independently. And here are the problems.
  16. +1
    17 June 2022 11: 12
    that this crap, that our armata is, in my opinion, the last century.
    revolutionary other materials, mechanisms, energy sources, weapons are needed.
    it's like Newtonian and Einsteinian physics.
    1. +2
      17 June 2022 14: 20
      Yes, I also like to read science fiction about plasma guns, force fields and other crap. Go to Ukraine and see how the tank is already yesterday, even the old T62 type.
      Do you really think that Einsteinian physics is cooler than Newtonian?
    2. +3
      17 June 2022 17: 32
      Dear! In the event of a short-term military conflict-blitzkrieg, any tricked-out garbage and high-tech can and will help, if the conflict drags on, from a year onwards, all sorts of fancy bells and whistles end very quickly
      and heavy iron is used winked hi
    3. +2
      17 June 2022 20: 46
      Yes, you re-read my friend science fiction or sat out games on the computer ... go down to the sinful earth from heaven. Or come out of the twilight...
  17. 0
    17 June 2022 11: 54
    I wonder how much the combat capabilities will decrease after a long burst from a heavy machine gun, peeling off sensors, cameras, optics and other husks from the armor ....?
  18. 0
    17 June 2022 13: 14
    "Panther" - an old rake ...
  19. +2
    17 June 2022 14: 18
    Already 80 years have passed, and the Germans still cannot overcome their addiction to the Panzerwaffe cat family.
  20. +1
    17 June 2022 14: 26
    A question for specialists, I myself am not a tanker at all, if a good blank flies into such a tank stuffed with electronics and plant it from the heart .. how resistant is the electronic filling to such influences?
    1. +1
      18 June 2022 12: 45
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      if a good blank flies into such a tank stuffed with electronics and plant it from the heart .. how resistant is the electronic filling to such influences?
      For electronics, EMP protection is more important than earthquake protection. Sensors are another matter. Shrapnel on the armor can peel off all the sensors and then the "transparent" tower is kapets.
      And if the tank has communication channels, then it is possible to launch a virus via them during the "plug it in - and control it" (or use it! - as they do there). There is something for our Kulibin to work on...
      And the filling inside the tank is definitely shockproof! bully
    2. +1
      19 June 2022 15: 30
      All blocks in military equipment are subject to military acceptance, with the control of the Quality Control Department and the military representative. The test cycles almost always include vibration tests, which are very tough.
  21. 0
    17 June 2022 18: 55
    Like armata, this one is experimental samples.
  22. -1
    17 June 2022 19: 50
    The most important . And how many super-modern tanks can the Bundeswehr buy? 100 -200? . It happened before . In a serious war, modern but not expensive equipment is needed. There will be such a hunt for waffles that it will be knocked out very quickly.
  23. +5
    17 June 2022 20: 00
    The projectile has become one third heavier, KAZ, increased situational awareness is a serious bid for leadership among NATO tanks. But there is hope that they will not buy.
  24. msm
    +1
    17 June 2022 21: 27
    I will say one thing.
    With NATO, only nuclear weapons should be used. Ruthlessly!
  25. 0
    17 June 2022 21: 59
    Quote: Nafanya from the couch
    Wrote-wrote. Read-read. And in the end it turned out that
    The fact that this tank, most likely, will not be adopted, is also said in the pro-government structures of Germany.

    those. All this is ADVERTISING.


    Or they can buy it, money for the army has been allocated.
    German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said that the country's army will soon become "the largest traditional army in Europe" among NATO members. Earlier, the ruling coalition of Germany agreed on the creation of a special fund for the Ministry of Defense in the amount of €100 billion to finance the department.
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5380560


    A ADVERTISEMENT, yes, beautiful

  26. 0
    18 June 2022 12: 48
    The next tank will be called Tiger??? nude nude
  27. +2
    18 June 2022 14: 47
    "preserving the location of the gunner and the commander in its right half"
    In fact, the commander is on the left, the gunner is on the right of the gun, according to the booklet from the developer (https://rheinmetall-defence.com/media/editor_media/rm_defence/publicrelations/messen_symposien/eurosatory_bilder/2022/downloads/fahrzeuge/tracked_vehicles/B325e05.22_Panther_KF51. pdf)
  28. +2
    18 June 2022 14: 50
    Nobody is embarrassed by the dimensions of the tower, comparable to the dimensions of the hull?
    And how do the driver and the fourth crew member get inside and leave the tank, is it through the turret?
    1. 0
      20 June 2022 09: 48
      Reminiscent of the original version of the abrams, where everyone was also in the tower. I think this is very convenient, but the mass exceeds all allowable limits.
  29. 0
    18 June 2022 16: 33
    How ready is this sample?
    1. 0
      19 June 2022 23: 55
      Quote: Okak Okakiev
      How ready is this sample?

      Not at all. This is a technology demonstrator, as they say now. Even a 130 mm gun is a change in the entire line in the production of ammunition. And the technological complexity (which is much more significant than the cost) of the production of modern ammunition for tank guns is much higher than that in the late 70s and early 80s of the last century, when they switched to 120 mm. And so far, the main shot with OBPS in the US Army is M829A2. The Technology Demonstrator is a Rheinmetall product.
  30. 0
    18 June 2022 17: 22
    According to the description, the Panther differs from the Leopard in the same way as the T90 from the T72! what the car is cooler than its predecessor, but conceptually it differs little from it! This is not a breakthrough into the future, but an evolution! wink this machine does not have a reserve of modernization for future conflicts, against the first Armata it can and can do something, but it will not be possible to develop on an equal footing with Armata and when modernizing Almaty with promising systems, Panther will have nothing to answer due to the orchaic design for the future No.
    From the prototype of the Panther, you can take something for the next, but cardinal modernization of the Leopard, dramatically increasing its capabilities and keeping it relevant for some time, until a really new tank appears.
    1. +1
      19 June 2022 10: 13
      This is not a "machine", but a "complex", i.e. a system of the highest level of sophistication, made using technology that we simply don't have. And they do not have gas and an atomic bomb.
      1. 0
        19 June 2022 11: 54
        Something you went too far about technology! Of all that is described in the article, Panther's only system that is missing on Armata is a UAV. There are two points here: the first, our military does not yet consider that the tank should have personal UAVs (it is likely that with the help of data exchange, the unit’s UAVs can be used and this is more efficient), the second option is that we are really not able to create a miniature UAV with the required characteristics. . what in all other respects, Armata is no worse, but in many ways better! Panther's AZ is located in the niche of the tower, it is quite vulnerable when ambushed or in urban battles, that Armata is in the hull behind the DZ, in addition, the Armata can use the entire ammo during the battle, and Panther only 2/3 and then you need to leave the battle to replenish the BC AZ, I think the BC is located like that of the Leopard and its replenishment from a niche in the hull to the turret is possible only when the turret is turned back like that of the Leopard lol The Panther's KAZ is designed against missiles and grenades, while the Armata Afganit, due to the shock core, has real technical chances to shoot down BOPS, how effective is another question, but there is definitely a constructive potential. good Armata is definitely better protected due to the layout, everything is in the hull, there is only a gun carriage in the turret, so the overlap area of ​​the Armata is probably 2 times smaller than that of the Panther, so the armor is clearly thicker everywhere and the quality of our armor is at least as good, or even better (we are generally in the world leaders in the materials). bully the Armata has a full-fledged radar for searching for targets on the ground and in the air, the Panther does not have such a complex. Therefore, Armata is actually head and shoulders above the Panther, and in the future this advantage will only grow.
        1. +2
          19 June 2022 12: 08
          The complexes are created to achieve a given (very high) combat effectiveness. And you consider private characteristics. In the Russian Federation, there are no entire branches of science and production required for the creation of such complexes, i.e. to achieve a given (high) combat effectiveness, This is clearly seen in the example of the automotive industry.
          1. 0
            19 June 2022 19: 31
            In all modern armies, each piece of equipment is created as a "complex" designed to be integrated into the "system" and Russia is no exception! Armata is also a "complex" designed for network-centric warfare bully
            The tank, and the Panther is a tank, is designed to operate at the forefront, to hit targets primarily by direct fire, and it must have high protection, since no matter how effective this "complex" is, it will still be hit by return fire angry and in a collision with Armata, the chances are still greater for Armata, since in control and visibility both "complexes" are at least equivalent, the combat control systems of the Bundeswehr and the RA are comparable, therefore the Panther "complex" is not a fact that it will have an advantage over the "complex" Armata, and in particular the Armata tank, clearly looks preferable over such a Panther! Yes, in solving combined arms tasks, Armata also looks like a more efficient machine good
            And to be honest, I would like you to explain in what areas of tank building and in general military ground equipment does Russia lack competence compared to Germany? I don't know such things what
  31. 0
    19 June 2022 10: 11
    This is the decision making center. Are the coordinates of "Rheinmetal" known?
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      19 June 2022 23: 38
      They are actually a very well-known company. There are even coordinates on Wikipedia) [media = https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmetall]
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    19 June 2022 18: 32
    During the Second World War, the T-V Panther tank was also a transitional model. Next MW should expect TIGER?
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    20 June 2022 09: 46
    Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
    I have a question for the gentlemen from Rheinmetall. Are you bad with a thinker? Panther, well, what a fresher name for a german tank! Where is the chassis with a staggered arrangement of rollers? Kniepkamp will swear! And further. Sentence. Name the next tank Tiger. Ours will be easier. Double the fun: hit the Panthers and Tigers in exactly the same way as in 44-45. lol

    The most interesting thing is that these names do not bother them at all.
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    26 June 2022 07: 54
    For every German menagerie in Russia there is always a St. John's wort!!!
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    6 August 2022 20: 08
    The reaction speed of the system is only 0,56 ms, which is quite enough to destroy not only anti-tank grenades and missiles, but also sub-caliber shells.

    What-what 0,56 hundredths of a millisecond?! belay belay belay
    I alone noticed this ... the author ay ... Kaz trophy - 300 milliseconds, and what kind of victory did the Germans have ?! belay
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    10 September 2022 02: 56
    “Firstly, in order to take advantage of the reputation of machines that have already proven themselves and have received commercial success.” And let me know when did this manage to successfully establish itself and get commercial success. Do the Turks chtol? Is it when barmaley in galoshes burned them with ancient Soviet birds? request .

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