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Near Orenburg exploded cars with ammunition. The authorities responded to panic rumors

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Near Orenburg exploded cars with ammunition. The authorities responded to panic rumors

At the railway station Donguz of the Orenburg region in the area of ​​the military ground, where obsolete shells are being utilized, three powerful explosions thundered on Tuesday. Over the past month and a half this is the fourth such case. It is reported about four wounded men delivered with injuries to the hospital. In the information management EMERCOM of the RF RIA "News"said that the cause of the explosions of ammunition was a fire at the site for their loading. The authorities offered to evacuate the residents of two villages near the landfill. After the emergency, frightening rumors about a huge number of victims started, but they were refuted by the regional government.


As ITAR-TASS was told at the Ministry of Defense, a spontaneous explosion of ammunition occurred today at 09: 05 Moscow time when they were unloaded at the test site. The life of the ammunition passed, and the shells were to be disposed of, explained in the Office of the press service.

The vice-governor of the Orenburg region, Dmitry Kulagin, who arrived at the scene, told Interfax that the shells were brought to the landfill by train, after which the vehicles sent the ammunition to the disposal sites. "The explosion occurred in one of these trains, which arrived at the Donguz proving ground," the official said.

According to the Ministry of Defense, after the first explosion, personnel were promptly removed to a safe distance. Total explosions thundered in three railway cars, a strong fire broke out. The head of the Federal Service for Supervision of Consumer Rights Protection and Human Welfare, Chief State Sanitary Doctor of the Russian Federation Gennady Onishchenko, said on Tuesday that, despite the vast burning area, there is no threat of chemical pollution in the region.

The regional government later clarified that, according to unspecified data, the explosions thundered not in the cars, but on armory warehouses. This was stated by the press secretary of the governor of Yuri Berg, Igor Dmitrachkov.

The press service of the Privolzhsky regional center of the IA Regnum reported that the Leader rescue center, robototechnics, aircraft Be-200, MI-26, MI-8, the operational group of rescuers, as well as psychologists are preparing for the Donguz district.

According to the instructions of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, a commission of the Ministry of Defense headed by the commander of the troops of the Central Military District Colonel-General Valery Gerasimov flew to Orenburg.

The military-investigative department for the Orenburg garrison on the fact of an explosion of shells at the Donguz test site opened a criminal case under part 1 of article 349 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (violation of the rules for handling weapons and objects that pose an increased danger to others).

Four hospitalized. The government denied

Four wounded were hospitalized from the site of the explosions in the central regional hospital of the Orenburg district, Interfax was told at the reception of the medical institution. The interlocutor of the agency could not tell in what condition the victims are. In the emergency room of the hospital refused to provide information about the injured received.

In the central hospital, the agency was informed that ambulance teams were sent to the landfill area, and regional hospitals are preparing to receive victims.

At the same time, the regional government insists that there are no victims and injured. This was announced at an emergency meeting of the regional emergency commission, Interfax press secretary secretary Igor Dmitrachkov told Interfax.

Were terrible rumors about the missing military and a large number of victims

Meanwhile, local residents are confident that there will be a lot of victims. As the resident of Donguz Valentina Aramova told the local Internet edition of 56 Media, the explosions were so strong that the windows were fluttering in the houses, the ceilings of residential buildings collapsed. On the streets, trees fell on people and cars, in the bazaar all the tents "formed like card houses."

"Children and schools are evacuated from schools and gardens, as well as workers from local organizations. Everyone is asked to leave the village and go far into the steppe. The whole Donguz covered black smoke. The full feeling of the war started! A few minutes ago you could hear the signals of fire engines and ambulance, who quickly went to the scene of the explosion, "- said the woman.

"Most likely, there are casualties at the scene of the incident, perhaps considerable ones ... Such strong explosions can really pass without victims," ​​she believes.

Nikita Prokhorov, head of the information service of the Eurasia SEC Nikita Prokhorov, said in an interview with the radio station Kommersant FM that bloggers report the seriousness of the situation in Donguz. According to eyewitnesses, “glasses are breaking, everything is shaking around, people are falling off the chairs”. In particular, the Orenburg blogger Andrei wrote in his microblog on Twitter. “It shook so badly, I was already shaky in a bar stool,” he said, explaining that he was at home during the explosion.

The edition of "56 media" wrote that the fate of 200 military, caught up in the epicenter of the explosion, is allegedly unknown. It was reported that rescuers could not get close to the site of the first explosions, and there was no connection with the military unit.

However, the vice-governor of the Orenburg region Dmitry Kulagin denied this information. According to him, the military assured the regional administration that all the servicemen had been withdrawn from the range and there were no casualties among them.

Residents of two villages offered to evacuate

Representatives of the authorities organized the evacuation of residents of two villages located in the immediate vicinity of the Donguz railway station, where the explosions occurred, the Interfax was told at the Emergencies Ministry. It was proposed to evacuate to residents of the village of Pervomaisky and the village of Experimental, located at a distance of 10 km from the place of emergency.

According to the ministry, 8 lives in the village of Pervomaysky, thousand people, in the Experimental village - 2 thousand. The vice-governor Dmitry Kulagin clarified that there is no planned evacuation for everyone, but people who want to leave will be provided with transport.

A source in the power structures of the region, in turn, reported that the rescuers of the Emergency Ministry partially evacuated the population of Donguz station. According to the agency interlocutor, in some houses located near the station, the windows are damaged. Meanwhile, Lieutenant-Governor Kulagin had previously told Interfax that there was no visible destruction in the Donguz, namely, "cracks in the walls of houses, broken glass, and the like."

At a meeting in Orenburg on Tuesday afternoon, it was stated that only three residential buildings in the village of Pervomaiskoye were damaged, glass was broken in many houses.

Suspended rail service

After the explosions, the authorities also blocked the road to Sol-Iletsk, and OAO Russian Railways temporarily suspended the movement of trains in the Orenburg-Iletsk section, RBC reports.

Freight traffic is interrupted on the Orenburg-Iletsk section, the N5 Tashkent-Moscow train is suspended. However, it is reported that damage to the railway infrastructure is missing.

The Donguz military range is located in 20 km from the Donguz station of the South Ural Railway.

Glass was shaking in Orenburg, strong claps were heard

From the explosions near Orenburg, in the regional center, the glass rattled and two strong claps could be heard, Interfax reports. They were so strong that the residents paid attention to them, although there is a training ground not far from the city, and the locals got used to the sounds of explosions for a long time.

Vice-Governor Dmitry Kalugin, in turn, noted that the explosions that had been thundered were so strong that in Orenburg "chandeliers swayed, the ground fluctuated." At the same time, there is no destruction in the regional center, he stressed.

Immediately, white smoke rose into the sky. The authorities did not make any reports on the incident. The Donguz polygon is located about 50 km from Orenburg. The Emergencies Ministry stressed that there is no danger for Orenburg. The first video of the effects of explosions at the site, shot by local residents, has already appeared on the Web.

Since the end of August, three more emergencies occurred at the site

Recall the previous state of emergency at the Donguz polygon was reported two weeks ago. Then two conscripts were injured as a result of an explosion during the work on the disposal of ammunition. It was reported that the health of one soldier does not cause concern, the second - in serious condition.

4 September also hit two conscript soldiers. The press service of the governor and the regional government then reported that the incident was not directly related to the ammunition disposal process. The servicemen were blown up while laying a trench, where a zinc box with cartridges was at a shallow depth. One soldier was slightly injured, the second was contused.

30 August, an explosion occurred at the site during the destruction of ammunition, two soldiers-conscripts Arthur Kuvandykov and Andrey Demyanyuk were injured. With fragmental wounds, they were taken to a branch of the district military hospital of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

A week before, the portal of the government of the Orenburg region reported that the disposal of unusable ammunition at the military sites of the region is under constant control by the governor Yuri Berg and the government of the region. The commander of the Central Military District, Colonel-General Vladimir Chirkin, was repeatedly asked to take measures to reduce the negative impact of blasting operations.




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  1. SHILO
    SHILO 9 October 2012 18: 03
    +2
    Putin is to blame - definitely! request
    1. Isk1984
      Isk1984 9 October 2012 18: 11
      +18
      It’s not funny I live here, and when it started, many didn’t laugh, the mushroom really presented an awesome sight, people really panicked, not one service didn’t answer, the Internet started to hang, officials started unexpectedly, and this was only recently Krymsk repaired that the warning system is debugged, so what today sms came in the evening and it was already clear. I don’t know how they all took refuge there .... Regarding the fault of the GDP, and who created such a system in our country and who claimed Serdyukov?
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 9 October 2012 18: 15
        +4
        Quote: Isk1984
        officials suddenly had lunch,

        in Orenburg, conversational officers phoned up their contingent, offering everyone to eat 10 tablets of activated carbon and ate themselves
        1. crazyrom
          crazyrom 9 October 2012 20: 49
          +1
          Were terrible rumors about the missing military and a large number of victims

          ... And about the opening of the portal in the 13-th dimension ...

          Damn, these cattle are already right there, they are urgently launching rumors about "the whole city is strewn with corpses in 3 layers" ...
          1. kuzmich
            kuzmich 9 October 2012 22: 13
            +3
            I don’t believe in chance, there cannot be so many accidents, I can’t believe in another accident.
    2. Igor
      Igor 9 October 2012 18: 38
      -1
      Quote: SHILO
      Putin is to blame - definitely!


      No, Rafik is no fault at all, so we will send Rafik to Monte Carlo for the state. account, so that he saved the Siberian Cranes there too.
    3. Dinver
      Dinver 9 October 2012 19: 06
      +1
      Yes, what Putin, the usual army races *** you look on YouTube watch how soldiers unload shells, throw like logs with a cigarette in their teeth, no safety measures and a sense of self-preservation ...
      1. Igor
        Igor 9 October 2012 19: 46
        +8
        Quote: Dinver
        regular army races *** action


        If the soldier is rs ... dyay then com. branches of the races .. day, com. platoon races .. day, com. companies ras..dyay and so on to the supreme commander in chief!
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 9 October 2012 20: 22
          +8
          I just watched the news, it turns out that the soldiers are to blame, they smoked in the wrong place, here laughing Just marvel at this nonsense! Who is responsible for complying with fire safety regulations? There is an official ........
          1. Vodrak
            Vodrak 9 October 2012 20: 40
            +1
            Excuse me, but do the soldiers themselves completely lack a sense of self-preservation? maybe they add something to their food to prevent fear and complete indifference to their and not only their lives? or maybe it's just bravado, they say I smoke in the explosives warehouse and I'm not afraid of anything. type for a demobilization album in front of youngsters ... increased? you look at our youth: there is no fear, one steepness. and the commander simply could not track it. that’s the problem. yes, the commanders must inform you that this work is dangerous, but if you .......... then how much do not explain to you that a bullet is flying out of the machine gun barrel and it does not need to be sent to the forehead with the barrel, you’ll still at least once do it.
        2. sergey261180
          sergey261180 9 October 2012 20: 32
          -1
          Well, why are you so at him. At all times it exploded. And not only with us.
        3. Dinver
          Dinver 10 October 2012 06: 35
          0
          You probably don’t know the story well, in Russia it was always so practical under Peter I, under Nicholas II, under Stalin, until thunder struck everyone put x ** (I’m sorry but I can’t express all the ruin and sloppiness with which Russia usually entered the war) ...
    4. beech
      beech 9 October 2012 22: 57
      -1
      zadolbali with these ammunition !!! all will recycle them and recycle when the end is something ??
      but I’m wondering if they’re disposing of old shells, but buying new ones ?? or all live on Soviet stocks?
    5. lotus04
      lotus04 10 October 2012 07: 48
      -1
      Quote: SHILO
      Putin is to blame - definitely


      Do you have sound thoughts about this?
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 9 October 2012 18: 07
    +2
    It happened today. They only said that there were no victims. and the regional center at the first explosion jumped all over, the glass rattled everywhere. two or three hours rattled, and at five the SMS came:
    The Ministry of Emergency Situations informs: Ammunition was blown up at the weapons depot at the training ground of Donguz station in the Orenburg region. Keep calm.
    1. lotus04
      lotus04 10 October 2012 07: 54
      0
      Quote: andrei332809
      It happened today. They only said that there were no victims.


      Of course there are no victims, where from? In total, 4000 tons exploded, even a fly flying by did not hurt. wink Such a "trifle" is not guarded, why, suddenly it will explode and the guard will scatter like autumn leaves in windy weather. They said "loudly", as in Kaspiysk "NO INJURED", everything is taboo, no further discussion!
      1. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 10 October 2012 10: 24
        +1
        lotus04
        Quote: lotus04
        not even a fly flying by

        laughing
        True, frames with glass at a distance of 20 km flew out, and so ...
        Quote: lotus04
        "NO INJURED"

        Plus to you.
  3. plump
    plump 9 October 2012 18: 12
    +3
    Ekary Babai! How much can you do?
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 9 October 2012 20: 04
      +2
      until the ammunition to be disposed of runs out! which means never!
    2. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 9 October 2012 20: 50
      +3
      How long to? Natural question. This is no longer an accident. This is already a system. It seems that in the ammunition there are self-liquidators from disposal. Poor people. Who will compensate for this stress, these nightmare hours of suspense and fear for their loved ones. The defense minister should crawl on their knees in front of them and beg for forgiveness for the blockheads of the leaders of the entire recycling process chain, from transportation, storage, to the final result, but not that.
      It's time to think. Is everything normal in the ammunition kingdom. Maybe the boyars with big shoulder straps decided to joke, they steal something and something, and the stolen red rooster is "utilized".
    3. lotus04
      lotus04 10 October 2012 08: 01
      +1
      Quote: chubby
      Ekary Babai! How much can you do?


      As many people need, so much is possible. Only a blind person has not noticed such a trend lately, or does not want to notice.
  4. Isk1984
    Isk1984 9 October 2012 18: 16
    +5
    And I’ll tell you something, the trains first arrive at the exchange yard station, located in the city limits, stand at least a day, until the shunter approaches until the road opens, that is, it could crash so that Arzamas would rest, the entire recycling system is cracking at the seams when it will stop today we have so many words addressed to the city authorities and indeed the country .... they probably stuttered there .....
    And without laughter, many more residents of the Donguz work in Orenburg, and the children at the school in the Donguz were hysterical here, they couldn’t get through and get out ....
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 9 October 2012 18: 21
      0
      Quote: Isk1984
      echelons pre-arrives at the exchange yard station

      Uzbeks in a panic. Moscow-Tashkent train stopped. How much will stand, unknown
  5. erased
    erased 9 October 2012 18: 19
    +6
    How Democratically and quickly the main thing is the reaction of the Power! Nothing bulo and not. Ee! But the wounded and the injured, they won themselves with their nails.
    Does someone write off the stolen things again or the headsets again?
  6. Igor
    Igor 9 October 2012 18: 29
    +5
    And these u..pki were going to place all the ammunition in just seven depots. laughing If you build such a warehouse near Novosibirsk, it’s better to make legs from there, otherwise u..pki will also start to store nuclear warheads there in order to save.

    And as always, no one is to blame except a stupid soldier.
  7. vadimN
    vadimN 9 October 2012 18: 31
    +6
    The most efficient and cheapest method of disposal - together with wagons, tracks and other storage and maintenance infrastructure ... The next step to optimizing costs should be the transition to disposal at the places of permanent deployment, without transportation to landfills ...

    .... Sad jokes, actually. Such cases have already become commonplace. That this is a cover for theft - few doubt.
    But the message about the absence of victims and destruction causes serious doubt!
    RBC said that at the station at the time of unloading there were about 4 thousand tons of ammunition. Just think ... 4 Kilotons! And there are no victims?
    At what speed should the station personnel run (or fly?) In order to figure out and flush in time, ahead of the speed of the explosion?
    Even judging by those amateur videos, one can confidently assume that nothing was left from that station ...!
    1. TRex
      TRex 9 October 2012 18: 59
      0
      It is precisely that there are no victims.

      It’s just that they were spread into molecules (after all, 4 kt) - and therefore not.

      By the way: the detonation velocity of ordinary trinitrotoluene (TNT or TNT) is 6900 m / s Even if you run very fast and beautiful, you won’t run away.
  8. snek
    snek 9 October 2012 18: 32
    +3
    As they say there - until the thunder strikes ... So this thunder has been rattling for several months incident after incident ...
    Quote: SHILO
    Putin is to blame - definitely!

    Or maybe it cost less to fly with Siberian Cranes and pay more attention to real problems?
    1. dimanf
      dimanf 9 October 2012 20: 26
      -1
      Quote: snek
      Or maybe it cost less to fly with Siberian Cranes and pay more attention to real problems?



      and he needs PR. and put on people.
  9. pasha1180
    pasha1180 9 October 2012 18: 48
    +3
    The shortage of spending was written off unambiguously.
  10. Crash
    Crash 9 October 2012 18: 52
    +5
    They are trying in every possible way to cover up all these explosions with the negligence and inexperience of the soldiers who are disposing of these ammunition. It seems to me that soon there will be a big war, and the traitors in the Kremlin are trying to leave us without ammunition, simply destroying everything that they have time to. Or it’s just criminal elements wielding, stealing and sweeping tracks !!!
    1. snek
      snek 9 October 2012 18: 55
      0
      These shells were already intended for disposal.
  11. sergey261180
    sergey261180 9 October 2012 18: 54
    +2
    clarified that, according to unspecified data
    laughing They write in!
  12. Mikado
    Mikado 9 October 2012 18: 57
    +1
    Again, someone steal, decided to cover the tracks
  13. sergey958ss
    sergey958ss 9 October 2012 19: 03
    +1
    The authorities, to put it mildly, are cunning, it cannot be that there would be no victims in such explosions, or again they want to hide the truth and get away from responsibility as it was with "KURSK", etc.
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 9 October 2012 19: 21
    +2
    Perhaps the "switchman" is to blame again?
    Now muddy explanations of persons with large epaulettes will go through the box, and as a rule they will sit a couple of ordinary conscripts!
  15. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 9 October 2012 19: 30
    +1
    No one heard about the fate of Serdyukov? He resigned or removed?
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 9 October 2012 19: 50
      +3
      Quote: serezhasoldatow
      No one heard about the fate of Serdyukov? He resigned or removed?

      have hope? still would have written that he shot himself
      1. v53993
        v53993 9 October 2012 20: 06
        +2
        Rather, he will undermine us all so that they do not interfere with his life.
    2. v53993
      v53993 9 October 2012 20: 04
      0
      They say that they urgently seek (or create) a new position to move to a new job.
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 9 October 2012 20: 09
        +2
        Quote: v53993
        urgently looking for (or creating) a new position to move to a new job

        really stool and supreme tired? or is the Ministry of Defense abolished as not meeting the requirements of the time, taking into account Russia's environment only friends?
        1. v53993
          v53993 9 October 2012 20: 47
          +1
          I DO NOT rule out that they are reforming the Ministry of Defense Elimination, as more appropriate to the functions performed.
        2. sergey261180
          sergey261180 9 October 2012 20: 54
          +1
          The High Fireworks-Master of His Majesty's Court will be.
    3. donchepano
      donchepano 9 October 2012 20: 48
      0
      do not bother .. then all the relatives will have to clean
    4. v53993
      v53993 9 October 2012 21: 02
      0
      This may be a report with a request to increase write. After all, the topic (scope) of disposal (liquidation) is growing.
  16. Region71
    Region71 9 October 2012 19: 55
    +4
    Senior Lieutenant Alexei Titov, who led his colleagues from the epicenter of the explosion, was found unharmed under the rubble of the exploding warehouse.

    The senior lieutenant who commanded the unloading of ammunition at the Orenburg training ground was found 8 hours after the terrible explosion that destroyed buildings within a radius of several kilometers of the unit.

    The head of the unloading team, 26-year-old Alexei Titov, miraculously survived at the epicenter of a powerful explosion. The guy hid under the plates in the area of ​​the ramp, where there was an unloading of ammunition.

    Noticing the smoking shell, the officer ordered his subordinates to flee to a safe place, and he himself left last. At that moment a powerful explosion struck. Hiding from the fire and splinters, Titov climbed under the concrete slabs and spent 8 long hours there.
    Well done guy, I was not taken aback and correctly reacted to the situation. There remains only the question: how could spontaneous combustion of gunpowder occur. If there are specialists chemists, I would like to hear their opinion.
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 9 October 2012 19: 58
      +2
      Quote: Region71
      how could spontaneous combustion of gunpowder happen

      During a break.
      1. PiP
        PiP 9 October 2012 22: 10
        +4
        Yeah, because the shell is made from a netting net and the coal from a cigarette flew into the cell and ignited the powder (gradually because the coal with a moderator) laughing
        1. sergey261180
          sergey261180 11 October 2012 20: 28
          0
          Did he serve in the army? DURING THE PERCUKE! I’m telling you as a chemist. wassat
    2. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 9 October 2012 23: 48
      0
      Have you read the corresponding story about Schweik? How did he fill with pyroxylin shells and how did it all end?
    3. Marine One
      Marine One 9 October 2012 23: 52
      +2
      Try to explain exactly what it is. In principle, self-ignition is possible during decomposition in the powder charge of cellulose nitrates. But there the shelf life should be over 30 years with appropriate non-compliance with storage conditions. God knows them ...
  17. v53993
    v53993 9 October 2012 20: 02
    0
    The impression is that a new series has begun in our country - "Operation" Liquidation. "Only in kind.
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 9 October 2012 20: 50
      +1
      OPERATION COVER THEFT
  18. andrei332809
    andrei332809 9 October 2012 20: 04
    0
    right now in Orenburg the howlers of the GO howled. maybe something else happened. let's wait for the news. time in our opinion 22-03
  19. nycsson
    nycsson 9 October 2012 20: 16
    +8
    Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, and three or more is a regularity !!! negative
    1. Esso
      Esso 9 October 2012 20: 37
      0
      Where are the officers looking, when at last, when working with ammunition, our people will stop smoking, well, you can’t tolerate it, life is more expensive!
      1. sergey261180
        sergey261180 9 October 2012 20: 43
        +2
        Hence the conclusion. Drinking while loading ammunition is safer. Vodka is wet.
    2. v53993
      v53993 9 October 2012 20: 49
      0
      So the new law is not far away.
  20. R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№
    R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ 9 October 2012 20: 27
    +2
    I don’t know. How many and what exploded there, but in Mednogorsk it was VERY audible. And this is more than two hundred kilometers from Orenburg. There was still a rumble ...
    1. v53993
      v53993 9 October 2012 20: 52
      +1
      The main thing is that the MO is not heard. Well, if only on television.
  21. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 9 October 2012 20: 36
    +10
    I believe that no lessons have been learned from previous tragedies and safety measures during loading, transportation, unloading and disposal are not properly observed.
    In the days of Stalin, this incident would be interpreted unambiguously. Tribunal and execution.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 9 October 2012 20: 43
      +4
      Quote: Samsebenum
      I believe that no lessons have been learned from previous tragedies and safety measures during loading, transportation, unloading and disposal are not properly observed.

      Hi Valera! Yes, that is right! Well, how much can you step on the same rake? I have a feeling that all these explosions in warehouses are simply planned and the authorities are aware of this! But how else can this be explained? Who has been punished? What measures have been taken to prevent such explosions? Since they continue, then no action has been taken!
      1. v53993
        v53993 9 October 2012 20: 54
        +1
        It seems that measures have been taken. Just not the ones we all were waiting for.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 9 October 2012 22: 20
          0
          Quote: v53993
          It seems that measures have been taken.

          I do not know what measures you are talking about. If specific measures were taken, then there would be no recurrence of such events! How many similar explosions over the past few years ??? It is as if our society is being hammered into the head that we need to dispose of its arsenals faster .......... am
      2. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 9 October 2012 21: 19
        +4
        Alex, good evening!
        Here is my friend, we are discussing again what should no longer be ...
        I am very ashamed of Russia, when all the TV channels of the world broadcast this news.
        Incapable power gives rise to the same performers ...
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 9 October 2012 22: 22
          +1
          Quote: Samsebenum
          Here is my friend, we are discussing again what should no longer be ...

          Once again already! I lost count, how many similar explosions have already happened ?!
          Quote: Samsebenum
          Incapable power gives rise to the same performers ...

          All is correctly said!
  22. sergey261180
    sergey261180 9 October 2012 20: 38
    0
    I told you, you had to set up web cameras!
  23. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 9 October 2012 21: 31
    +3
    It is necessary to build a plant for the disposal of BP in Rublevka. Then exactly the order will be
  24. Vorchun
    Vorchun 9 October 2012 21: 48
    0
    The shells are disposed of, it would be better if they were shot at targets or militants.
    1. Rodriques
      Rodriques 9 October 2012 21: 53
      +2
      Yes, there are such storage periods and the state of ammunition that they can’t be touched at all, what targets)
    2. PiP
      PiP 9 October 2012 22: 25
      +2
      On this occasion, I have already spoken out: A lot of ammunition from the Second World War, WHY was it not disposed of in time? when they still had a "marketable appearance", but now it's scary to approach them.
  25. Rodriques
    Rodriques 9 October 2012 21: 51
    +1
    how fucked up these assholes with general shoulder straps are, what the hell do the guys conscripts and officers should deal with the transportation and disposal of old extremely dangerous ammunition, if before, when the disposal dates were right, it wasn’t done, THEN it’s YOUR problems generals are uvea, dispose of them yourself how you want to send some guys to death. I have no words. Country blah fat stupid generals.
  26. bremest
    bremest 9 October 2012 21: 59
    +4
    The case of Taburetkin and Makarov on the collapse of the army is booming. In fact, Western intelligence agencies can only dream of such sabotage, and Taburetkin does them for free ...
    1. vadimN
      vadimN 10 October 2012 10: 50
      -1
      Quote: bremest
      In fact, Western intelligence agencies can only dream of such sabotage, and Taburetkin does them for free ...


      are you sure free ??? it hurts often and with enviable regularity ...
  27. Isk1984
    Isk1984 9 October 2012 22: 48
    +3
    I’ll tell you right now, by way of example, how they dispose of them in Perm (for example, specific), they pull together a train of 10 wagons with ammunition to us in Donguz (emphasis on the first syllable is said so, and not like in the news as a dad) , they’re being pulled, it means that the composition of the days is ten or fifteen at each major junction, they stop changing, waiting for the trucks, guarding them anyhow, some soldiers begin to thump laziness, they give them dry days for a week, and they go 15 days, so they get to us, their day they’re still muffling in the city itself from the electric locomotive to the diesel locomotive and now it hangs first at the train station in the city center, then to the freight station in the city, and only then to the donguz, I once again get lucky that it exploded there and not within the city, irresponsibility and lack of care, low discipline, where they drag across the floor of the country ... at the same time, it turns out we and the terrorists do not need to ditch ourselves, and the worst thing is already 4 cases in recent months on polygon not, and there were commissions and debriefing and all and tail and mane ... and that ....
    Of course, panic is also a shitty business here, local people have already begun to think about tactical nuclear weapons, then about chemical ones, and all for some reason there was zero information, and rumor went for a walk, but for uninformed people there really was such a mushroom that it was hard not to believe I myself first thought that all of us lived to see us attacked all the more so in the southern part of the city it was shaking most of all and the thunder from the explosion would have been great, I went out and thought that the amers would attack us at one in the morning, and not during the day when they had a night (like still in Soviet times, the analysts of the General Staff counted), went to reassure his wife .... and people running around scurrying about the general picture of the complete unreality of what is happening ...
    1. Shumer
      Shumer 10 October 2012 07: 26
      0
      "so they pull it for ten or fifteen days at each major node they stop, they wait for the cart, they are guarded at random, some soldiers and officers start to thump out of laziness, they give them dry cargo for a week, and they go 15 days, that's how they get to us, their day they still have a lot of trouble in the city itself, so it is necessary to override from an electric locomotive to a diesel locomotive "- -
      --- I confirm your words, my brother-in-law recently returned from such a guard escort of the train - he cursed everything in the world.
  28. Bully
    Bully 9 October 2012 23: 02
    +2
    It seems that the time has come when gouging in the army it is time to equate wrecking in wartime (the consequences speak for themselves) and punish accordingly - the decision of the tribunal and the bullet in the foreman.
  29. Region71
    Region71 9 October 2012 23: 20
    +2
    If the shells really did explode as a result of a fire from a cigarette butt, they can blame the starley who was first made almost a hero. All these are trifles, most importantly without victims, according to the media. But still, such incidents began to happen too often. Reforms in army reforms , but no discipline and basic safety precautions.
  30. Rabic
    Rabic 9 October 2012 23: 21
    +2
    It is our happiness that we in the army do not utilize nuclear weapons! laughing
  31. Crash
    Crash 9 October 2012 23: 44
    0
    Ammunition explosions sharply increased over several years. Very strange. winked
    1. Marine One
      Marine One 9 October 2012 23: 55
      +1
      Junk because to hell in the warehouses accumulated. The military-industrial complex was preparing for the third world war with all the consequences. And then you yourself understand: the Union collapsed, the system of control over reserves, too. So we are reaping the results.
    2. Vasilinuyk
      Vasilinuyk 10 October 2012 02: 26
      0
      I’m leading to this. And small arms are destroyed because there are many. Looks like guests are waiting.)
  32. 101
    101 10 October 2012 00: 02
    +1
    It’s good, even at the control of the governor, and even what could happen Well done, the governor and the regional government continue to keep abreast
  33. zzzel
    zzzel 10 October 2012 00: 36
    0
    The people, recently there was an article about some kind of guns and they said there that they had stamped so much ammunition before the revolution that they couldn’t even shoot at the Second World War and are still stored
  34. Vasilinuyk
    Vasilinuyk 10 October 2012 02: 24
    +1
    All this is of course sad. But interesting. Are the warehouses replenished with new shells? ) Or is it all for the "fools".)
  35. Mishael
    Mishael 10 October 2012 06: 38
    -2
    donchepano,
    and by whom and how was the stolen used? ...
  36. idealist
    idealist 10 October 2012 08: 40
    +1
    kuzmich [/ b If you recall the past years, you can see the pattern: all ammunition detonations occur after the decision to dispose of them. Draw conclusions
  37. GHG
    GHG 10 October 2012 09: 47
    +3
    Too much panic ... like you and sow discord in dark heads. What ah 4 kilotons ??? 4000 tons the total weight of the entire ammunition, taking into account tare, gunpowder, metal of the warhead itself and the sleeve. On TNT or okfol there remains somewhere around 5% i.e. 200 tons And then if they would detonate at the same time. The only danger was MLRS shells ... they don’t need guns to fly wherever they look. I do not at all implore the sun.
    Warehouses burst and burned, and in the 90s, especially at the Pacific Fleet, ammunition simply has some property, when its storage periods are overlapped, they become very dangerous. For example: they are lying in the ground from the Second World War itself, and stsuka do not explode, and here it’s worth and disturb then run ... if you have time.
    Of course, these are provocative cases ... but I think without them now, despite the fact that what has been happening in the sun for 20 years, but time is lost, now we are reaping the fruits of collapse and ruin.
    Regarding the theft ... only small arms, ammunition, explosives and grenades are stolen ... no one else needs it.
  38. Alekseev
    Alekseev 10 October 2012 10: 40
    -1
    Ammunition explosions as a reflection of military reform.
    A large-scale and dangerous event is being held, but not a war, of course, but without conscripts, yesterday's schoolchildren, it is "impossible" to manage. There is no order and discipline, there is practically no industrial disposal.
    You will look at these deeds and you will understand the price of loud statements about constant readiness units, show-off at the training ground, "sucking" and other "achievements" of reformists.
  39. plump
    plump 10 October 2012 16: 55
    0
    This is how many decades, and how to store BP so that they crumble and explode? And why is it taking so long to keep? Is it really impossible to use these PSUs for educational purposes without bringing them to a state of zero combat value, which can only be exploded?
  40. Artem6688
    Artem6688 11 October 2012 00: 39
    0
    Again zhurnalyudi cattle embellished the case. Rumors of chemical, biological, and radioactive contamination are coming soon)
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