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Russia plans to create a new system of higher education

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Speaker of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Vyacheslav Volodin believes that Russia should develop and implement a new system of higher education, which will be based on the best world practices in this area, including Soviet practice. The politician wrote about this the day before in his Telegram channel.


Recall that in early June, all Russian universities ceased to be part of the Bologna process. The final decision to exclude Russia was influenced by the position of the leaders of our educational institutions, who came out in support of the SVO in Ukraine. The system, which Russia joined in 2003, implies that students receive bachelor's and master's degrees.

According to Dmitry Afanasiev, Deputy Head of the Ministry of Higher Education and Science of the Russian Federation, the fact that our universities were excluded from the Bologna process does not mean that Russia will abandon the undergraduate and graduate levels. At the same time, a unique system may appear in our country, for example, including one more level - a specialty.

Afanasiev also noted that Russia is not going to completely return to the Soviet model, but some practices from it can be used for the future system of higher education in our country.

The fact that Russia should not completely imitate the Western model of the educational process in his post was also emphasized by Vyacheslav Volodin. The speaker believes that the new system should include both modern and well-established earlier practices.

The politician noted that the discussion of this issue will take place at hearings in the State Duma on June 27. The meeting will be attended by the head of the Ministry of Education and Science Valery Falkov, as well as experts from the university community.
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  1. Sergio_7
    Sergio_7 13 June 2022 12: 58
    +20
    It's time to sweep all Western nonsense out of our education system! Bring back the Soviet, raise the salaries of teachers and lecturers in universities and schools! It is necessary to raise the prestige of the teaching profession!!
    1. NIKN
      NIKN 13 June 2022 13: 03
      +26
      Russia must develop and implement a new system of higher education
      I would start sweeping out all the nonsense from kindergarten, which was introduced in tons into education from the cradle into our lives. And all this must be swept away together with the implementers!
      1. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 13 June 2022 13: 18
        +6
        Yes sir. The main problem of the Bologna system, scopus, etc. in the content of humanitarian education and humanitarian scientific thought. Only certain directions are stimulated, where our strange professorship grows, which is torn from the symbol Z.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 13 June 2022 13: 34
          +3
          Speaker of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Vyacheslav Volodin believes that Russia should develop and implement a new system of higher education, which will be based on the best world practices in this area, including Soviet practice.
          Long overdue!

          And it is also high time to revise the Sorosyat system (which began in the USSR under Gorbachev in 1986) of school education in the Russian Federation too! And throw away all the "garbage" in the work and formation of the Russian teaching corps, including the upbringing of the younger generation in Russia!
          The "Sorosyatina" of the teachers themselves - the teaching corps itself - has turned the country into a kind of social caste, which opposes itself to the people in a liberal-market way.

          Tired of "sorosyatnikm" teachers with their market "services" to schoolchildren and their parents! The quality of education has fallen.
          They - teachers - also educationally as teachers and educators of the younger generation have long since degenerated consumerism themselves.
          1. alystan
            alystan 13 June 2022 15: 34
            +1
            Long overdue!

            It's time, and a long time ago. But for 6 years, who did not let him come to grips with this issue?
            Especially if we recall the beginning of his working biography:
            - in 1986 he graduated from the Saratov Institute of Agricultural Mechanization (SIMSKh),
            since 1986 in teaching,
            - in 1989 he defended his thesis for the degree of candidate of technical sciences,
            - in 1995 he graduated from the Russian Academy of Public Administration under the President of the Russian Federation with a degree in law,
            - in 1996, at the St. Petersburg Institute of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, he defended his thesis for the degree of Doctor of Law.

            He joined the CPSU in 1985, being a 4th year student at the university.

            In 1999 (at the age of 35) he became a deputy of the State Duma of the III convocation from the block "Fatherland - All Russia".

            Why am I bringing this up here?
            Yes, simply because the solution to this problem does not depend on us and our opinion. No matter how much we break copies here in our disputes and discussions.
            But from those in power, yes, but they seem to never do anything of their own free will and desire. Only until a kick arrives from the West, as in this case ...
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      3. gansales
        gansales 13 June 2022 13: 25
        +3
        Russia plans to create a new system of higher education

        The essence of everything, as in the days of the USSR, is to think creatively with basic education, it is communication with teachers, and not the exam is stupid ..
        This is our Russian mentality, even Zadornov (the deceased) noticed this .. And all sorts of programs "soros" our children and grandchildren are already turning into stupid ones .. Like "buy and consume" and don't think about anything, everything will be decided for you ..
        This is a terrible thing, especially on the example of Ukraine, etc. ..
      4. Real Pilot
        Real Pilot 13 June 2022 13: 26
        +8
        At MSTU im. Bauman in the ULC there is a stand with a quote from S.K. Shoigu that I especially like:
        There is the Bologna process, and here is the Bauman process
        Exactly, capaciously, in essence!
      5. Paul Siebert
        Paul Siebert 13 June 2022 13: 33
        +3
        Quote: NIKNN
        And all this must be swept away together with the implementers!

        Everything is so - the reform of higher education is overdue. And how long.
        But here's the nuance.
        The other day I was taken aback by one of the current "generals from education."
        He spoke and said that the USE system in Russia would not change.
        What’s more, cancel!
        That it is fully consistent with the current needs of education in Russia.
        What kind of joke is this?
        On what basis is the country going to educate the students of tomorrow?
        On the basis of guessers from three options?
        What kind of game? What was the point of starting all this?
        For the sake of thick portfolios and fat salaries of these same "generals"? request
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 13 June 2022 14: 22
          +2
          Quote: Paul Siebert
          "generals from education".

          All of them "generals" from education and science were sitting on the Western giants, all they learned well was how to pull the giants. Here are the scientific luminaries against the abolition of Western aid, hiding behind the thesis that science is out of politics, while pouring everything that is possible to the West ... In this situation, I insist that, together with the implementers, all this husk must be swept away, because of scientific value they no longer have a word at all, but the rest they are tightly saturated, as in other and in many other industries and areas, from culture and education to government institutions.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 13 June 2022 20: 34
            +1
            Quote: NIKNN
            grants

            Grants! Grand - Spanish nobleman!
        2. Corrosion inhibitor
          Corrosion inhibitor 13 June 2022 15: 55
          0
          This is the pest. Further conclusions are very simple.
        3. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 13 June 2022 18: 47
          +3
          You would first look at the USE assignments of this year, for example, in history or social studies, and then write about guessing games from three options.
          1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
            Sergey Aleksandrovich 13 June 2022 21: 32
            0
            History is generally bad. There are outstanding scholars in the history of antiquity and the Middle Ages in Russia. The same Ukraine willingly adopts favorable provisions for itself from the studies of Russian scientists and introduces them into its curricula. Adopt, even if it's just a hypothesis. In our country, they are engaged in ignoring or
            persecution of their own learned historians and their followers.
    2. stirrer
      stirrer 13 June 2022 13: 17
      -6
      And what kind of Western nonsense is in our education system? That at school, at institutes / universities, education is not much different from Soviet (even in some ways it can be better, all nonsense like scientific communism was removed), I compared my son’s textbooks in mathematics, Russian language, with my Soviet material plus or minus the same, at the institute, students learn the same mat. analysis, functional analysis is still based on Soviet textbooks with physics, from applied, from theoretical to more difficult in view of progress, and Soviet textbooks have already lost some relevance.
      If we talk about the USE, this is an extremely effective assessment of the knowledge of schoolchildren, minimizing the corruption component. For example, in our country (a large regional center), from the 9th grade, all the medals were distributed, the children of party officials were in the first priority, then the children of enterprise managers could be in the queue, etc. And these children were trained for medals, and some even rewrote the final essays twice.
      The problem is not in the education system, it can be any (Soviet, such as now or some other), the problem is in the motivation of students, in the mat. provision of educational institutions and remuneration of teachers. And judging by the statement of the officials, they are going to solve anything except for the problems mentioned above.
      1. Lykases1
        Lykases1 13 June 2022 13: 36
        +5
        Disagree. In the textbook for the second grade, the author Moreau, is not a solvable problem. I also found errors in the alphabet. And this is what children are taught. Yes, even compare the material in the alphabet and primer. In the primer there is a gradual assimilation of the material, words are given only from the studied letters. In the alphabet, it feels like the child should already be able to read
        1. stirrer
          stirrer 13 June 2022 13: 50
          +4
          In the alphabet, it feels like the child should already be able to read


          Yes, now schools require that the child should be able to read by the first grade.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 13 June 2022 22: 29
            0
            I believe that this is correct. He studied at a rural school. In our first class at the time of the beginning of studies in 1979, more or less, but more than half of the children already knew how to read. Most in warehouses. I missed this period, somehow immediately began to read fluently.
      2. Pulkovo1942
        Pulkovo1942 13 June 2022 13: 37
        -4
        And what kind of Western nonsense is in our education system?

        It’s just that, as usual, they couldn’t properly implement ready-made Western developments.
      3. nobody75
        nobody75 13 June 2022 14: 19
        +2
        Did you compare textbooks on geometry?
        At the university, according to ordinary difurs, mat. physics compared?
        Sincerely
        1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 13 June 2022 21: 00
          0
          No need to compare. It is enough to look at how we build L-shaped and L-shaped houses, they are without arches for passage and passage, they built it before and continue now. There is no elementary understanding of geometry and sense of space. People are doomed to walk around for decades and even centuries. Education was and still is inadequate in many areas. If you need more examples, I have them, a lot.
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 13 June 2022 22: 21
            0
            Sorry, but modern geometry is not about feelings, drawings or drawings...
            Sincerely
            1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
              Sergey Aleksandrovich 13 June 2022 22: 40
              0
              Is there anything to say about the essence of the example?
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 13 June 2022 22: 48
                0
                On the merits of the example, let the architects speak. Which are on the occasion of the designers. Your arch with a passageway is an unused cubic capacity that you can sell. Moreover, the design calculation becomes more complicated, and explaining the drawings to construction workers is a fun activity ...
                Sincerely
                1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                  Sergey Aleksandrovich 13 June 2022 22: 56
                  0
                  In order to argue that the matter is in the unused cubic capacity, it is necessary to give at least one example where the customer did not agree with the arch proposed by the architect. As long as this is not the case, the architect is to blame, not the developer. Or in another way, at least one architect came up with a proposal on the need for arches and their legislative consolidation? Not! This means that architects have no understanding of geometry and its significance for society.
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 13 June 2022 23: 04
                    0
                    You know, an intelligent designer will gladly tell an architect about seismic so as not to draw unnecessary "pretty things" ...
                    Sincerely
              2. nobody75
                nobody75 13 June 2022 22: 50
                0
                And, sorry, what does geometry have to do with it? It is not about houses, but about quantum mechanics, the theory of relativity, the theory of a soft body, etc.
                Sincerely
                1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                  Sergey Aleksandrovich 13 June 2022 22: 52
                  0
                  If the built house has to be walked around, it means that architects have something wrong with elementary geometry, where can we talk about high?
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 13 June 2022 22: 58
                    0
                    What is elementary geometry? Take, for example, Efimov's "Higher Geometry" and a school textbook on geometry... Efimov's axiomatics of Euclid is described in detail... And in a school textbook? What can a bachelor girl (who teaches geometry to children using this textbook) know about effectively axiomatized theories?
                    Sincerely
                    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                      Sergey Aleksandrovich 13 June 2022 23: 01
                      0
                      For the country and its future, it is much more important how houses are built, with or without arches. Or how roads are built on bends, with a slope so that cars do not fly off the road, or without it. The higher geometry, alas, is less significant. Our country is poorly suited for life because of architects and road builders, and not because of ignorance of higher geometry.
                      1. nobody75
                        nobody75 13 June 2022 23: 42
                        0
                        Roads are just about differential geometry, otherwise cars will start to fly out on corners. Due to the fact that the radius of curvature is calculated incorrectly. But that's not the point ... The subject that children are taught now is called geometry in the old fashioned way. The correct name is: "To the kids about Hilbert spaces".
                        Sincerely
      4. NIKN
        NIKN 13 June 2022 14: 24
        +3
        Quote from: stirrer
        even in some ways it can be better, all nonsense like scientific communism was removed

        Yeah, and they promoted the "turd trip" to preschool education, well, at least they didn't ban it, but why let the children develop diversified.
      5. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 13 June 2022 20: 04
        +1
        Quote from: stirrer
        And what kind of Western nonsense is in our education system?

        In my opinion, this is paid education. Diplomas are given to dullards and mediocrity from wealthy families who are not expelled for academic failure and gouging, tk. they bring income to the budgets of universities and the pockets of teachers. And then these newly minted "specialists" go to work in production, medicine, law enforcement agencies, etc. And then we talk about the degradation of science, design schools, technologies and industries.
        Quote from: stirrer
        If we talk about the USE, this is an extremely effective assessment of the knowledge of schoolchildren, minimizing the corruption component.

        Here I disagree with you in assessing the effectiveness of the exam. Remember the 100-point results in the Russian language among school graduates from the Caucasus region? hi
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 13 June 2022 20: 37
          -1
          Quote: Polite Elk
          Diplomas are given to dullards and mediocrity from wealthy families who are not expelled for academic failure and gouging, tk. they bring income into the budgets of universities and the pockets of teachers. And then these newly minted "specialists" go to work in production, in medicine, in law enforcement agencies, etc.

          They just don't go!
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 13 June 2022 20: 57
            0
            Quote: kalibr
            They just don't go!

            Eh, if only. They go. I agree that not to the machine, but to the manual. For them, a diploma is not an assessment of acquired knowledge and skills, but a necessary attribute for occupying a certain position.
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 14 June 2022 07: 39
              0
              Quote: Polite Elk
              a necessary attribute to occupy a certain position.

              And knowledge is not required for the position. Need performance and responsibility! Whatever they say, do it! What kind of knowledge?
    3. Pulkovo1942
      Pulkovo1942 13 June 2022 13: 34
      +9
      raise the salaries of teachers and lecturers in universities and schools!

      It's not about low wages. The issue is the absence of a reliable legal status of a teacher as a specialist. They can’t even raise their voices against children, they can’t scold them, etc. Parents immediately come running, groundless complaints are written. Young teachers quickly burn out from this and begin not to teach, but to provide educational services.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 13 June 2022 14: 00
        +4
        Here I completely agree. The teacher must have the authority to educate. Certainly to bring to life a bully or a silly person. Although, of course, given that it is dangerous to allow a large proportion of teachers to children, there will certainly be abuses. But authority still needs to be given. Otherwise, the educational function will fail. I would generally introduce a separate staff of educators. For example, from retired military, security officials, cultural workers, etc. of pre-retirement age. Give them class 2 so that they lead them from the first grade to the 10th. From coming to school to graduation. They were engaged in education, discipline, conducted class work, psychology. When necessary, signaled to parents about problems. And take that burden off the teachers. All the same, after all, a significant part of teachers cannot cope with the class load. Only profanity. At the very least, the danger of various columbines will be reduced if each student is under the supervision of a person who knows him.
        1. Kuzyakin15
          Kuzyakin15 13 June 2022 15: 14
          +3
          g1v2:
          I agree with you.
          At my daughter, I will be in the 7th grade, a military instructor was appointed as the class teacher (or as he is now called correctly). The class was absolutely unmanageable, there was no progress, the class teachers changed almost every quarter. When he became a military instructor (a retired career officer), the students literally howled as soon as they didn’t call him, complained to their parents, etc. But ... By the 10th grade, the class was unrecognizable - progress, discipline and teachers were happy to teach them lessons. We must pay tribute, the cool one took it responsibly: he went home, made sure that the parents of the most dysfunctional and poorly performing parents attended parent meetings ... Yes, he used a lot of things. Up to the point that he came to the physio and worked with them and made sure that they didn’t, sack, and cool work with him. Learned how to do it. (the school is right in front of the windows of my house).
          And he attended all the final exams and worried about them, reassured and supported them. But all the parents of his class for another 10 years at the meeting did not just nod, they tried to communicate with him at least briefly. That's the kind of great leaders you need. Well, they need to expand their rights a little, and, children, shrink a little, my opinion.
    4. g1v2
      g1v2 13 June 2022 13: 53
      0
      Returning the Soviet education system is the same as returning parochial schools and the education system of the Republic of Ingushetia. She also gave birth to Mendeleev and Popov. But like the Soviet one, it perished along with the country. The fact that in the 90s = it was a dilapidated corpse of the Soviet education system, gradually rotting and decaying. Even what is now is many times better than trying to revive the dead. Everything else is slogans and nostalgia.
      Of course, it is necessary to create a modern new education system. But no one has any idea what it should look like now. Simply because there is no understanding of who this system should educate and what society to prepare for. How many specialists we will need in 5 years, which ones and where, I also don’t see an understanding. And without this, there is no understanding and where to move higher education. request In general, you first need to create a ready-made prescribed project, then a roadmap for reformatting, then train teachers of a new formation, and only then start replacing. And rushing from side to side is stupidity.
      As for teachers, this is our main weak link. Unfortunately, in our country, first of all, those who could not realize themselves in other areas went to pedagogy. That is, initially we have weak personnel in pedagogy. Plus poor training of teachers. This cannot be solved by raising salaries alone, although in my opinion the salary of a teacher should be brought up to the salaries of the military and police. But this won't solve the problem. Of course, it is necessary to raise the prestige of the teaching profession. So that completely different personnel go into the education system. And first of all, for men to go there. request
      But first of all, we need to understand who our education system should prepare for the country, educate, in what quantity and for what kind of life to prepare. Then create a draft system and a roadmap for implementation. Everything else is technical stuff.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 13 June 2022 18: 53
        +2
        And I would forbid the use of the concept of "road map" in the documents. What, you can't just call it a "plan of action"?
      2. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 13 June 2022 21: 07
        0
        The matter is much worse. It is more like that the school is fulfilling an order to eliminate free time and establish an increased load, not only for students, but also for their parents. Many of the homework tasks children are not able to do on their own, at least this was not the case before. The approach itself is flawed, to say the least.
    5. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 June 2022 13: 55
      +4
      Quote: Sergio_7
      It is necessary to raise the prestige of the teaching profession!!

      Remember the words:
      You did not disdain any work:
      "I am not a white laborer!"


      What does a teacher need to do so that students believe his words and the morality that is instilled in school?
      What should the authorities do so that the words of the teacher do not diverge from the deed?
    6. Svarog
      Svarog 13 June 2022 14: 09
      +2
      Quote: Sergio_7
      It's time to sweep all Western nonsense out of our education system! Bring back the Soviet, raise the salaries of teachers and lecturers in universities and schools! It is necessary to raise the prestige of the teaching profession!!

      Only they don’t plan to return the Soviet one .. like raising the salary for teachers. The fact is that we didn’t refuse bologna ourselves, but we were refused and what they will come up with is not very clear, but given the system itself, it will be a hell of a mixture ... and there is no understanding about EG .. what will they do with it?
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 13 June 2022 17: 17
        +2
        so that everyone knows, the exam is not going to be canceled.
    7. Vend
      Vend 14 June 2022 10: 24
      0
      Quote: Sergio_7
      It's time to sweep all Western nonsense out of our education system! Bring back the Soviet, raise the salaries of teachers and lecturers in universities and schools! It is necessary to raise the prestige of the teaching profession!!

      I agree, we just need to leave the Unified State Examination, reform and make the right system. But the chance for children all over Russia should remain equal for admission to universities. This scheme appeals to me. And that was not entirely fair before.
  2. Sydor Kovpak
    Sydor Kovpak 13 June 2022 12: 58
    +4
    Even if the Soviet system is returned and distorted that this is a new system, and they call it by a new name, I will silently pretend that this is so !!!! It's better that way!!!!!
    1. gansales
      gansales 13 June 2022 13: 31
      -2
      Quote: Sidor Kovpak
      Even if the Soviet system is returned and distorted that this is a new system, and they call it by a new name, I will silently pretend that this is so !!!! It's better that way!!!!!

      In order to return the Soviet system, teachers need to be returned to their essence and level of education .. And this will take years!
      Even the teachers of Soviet education have already become "providing educational services" .. Just imagine how it sounds !!!!!
      They provide services and they beat all sorts of "apprentices" in this business Ugh damn it angry
      We all know the result .. Thanks to Soros and Liberda ..
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 13 June 2022 14: 21
        +4
        , teachers need to be returned to their essence and level of education

        Yeah, I didn't go anywhere...
        Sincerely
        1. gansales
          gansales 13 June 2022 14: 55
          -3
          Quote: nobody75
          , teachers need to be returned to their essence and level of education

          Yeah, I didn't go anywhere...
          Sincerely

          I am waiting too ! hi..But Liberda spreads rot and does not let them in ..Judging by the video clips ..Immediately for dismissal, and the students are preparing a new victim Ugh pancake
          1. Aerodrome
            Aerodrome 13 June 2022 17: 19
            -1
            Quote from gansales
            I am waiting too !

            slap on the back of the head ... you pulled up the "mikhan" with your lies ... whoever you just weren't, and for whom you just didn't take revenge ... stupid troll ... GONDsales ...
      2. Sydor Kovpak
        Sydor Kovpak 13 June 2022 15: 55
        0
        So what to do sit down, hug and cry all together? We have been falling into the abyss for 30 years now, at least how much we need to get out. It's not too late now.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 June 2022 13: 43
      +1
      Quote: Sidor Kovpak
      already better this way!!!!!

      No, it’s better not like that, but COMPETENTLY. yes
      1. Sydor Kovpak
        Sydor Kovpak 13 June 2022 15: 57
        +1
        Ha ha ha and again ha
    3. Zamira
      Zamira 13 June 2022 15: 08
      0
      Quote: Sidor Kovpak
      Even if the Soviet system is returned and distorted that this is a new system, and they call it by a new name, I will silently pretend that this is so !!!! It's better that way!!!!!

      Oh sure. That is if they return. But vague doubts gnaw at me that the authorities have a desire to "return" something like that.
      After all, for the current government (in the form in which it still resides) this "comeback" is very dangerous and extremely unprofitable.
      Gref may have left, but the concept that he so imprudently voiced has not gone away. She is alive! I hope (VERY hope) that I'm still alive. But my hopes may not come true (at least in the short term, I do not see the prerequisites for this).
      Therefore, I think that the introduction of the Soviet education system should be fought very seriously. No one will hand it to us on a silver platter.
  3. marchcat
    marchcat 13 June 2022 13: 01
    +4
    It is very difficult to completely eradicate the Western, in our country. Why leave a bachelor's and a master's? what is it all about? A bachelor's degree is an underachievement, isn't it?
    1. Taimen
      Taimen 13 June 2022 13: 30
      0
      A specialist is probably like a secondary school or technical school, a bachelor is an incomplete higher education, a master is a completed higher education. What a terrible imitation of the West. Again they want to leave the "estate" division. Yes, it was much easier under the USSR. School, college, institute. Everything is free .But no, human greed, like stupidity, is endless. Again, the rich are "masters" without a head, but for money, bachelors, who are all on loans, at least somehow bring the children out of the bottom and the rest for the mob, even if at least a hundred heads has, but can’t climb up. carry bags from trucks and wagons of the newly-minted nobility. Education remains paid. How can one not love one’s people. now there is time to fix everything. But, again, there is going in circles. It seems that our government has no political will. Some kind of mumbling, God forgive me.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 13 June 2022 14: 47
        +1
        Quote: Taimen
        A specialist is probably like a secondary school or technical school, a bachelor is an incomplete higher education, a master is a completed higher education.

        "Maybe". In which boarding school for children with deviant behavior did you study?
        What a terrible imitation of the West.

        Horrors you write young man, and all because it was not necessary to heat the yurt in winter with books from the local library ....
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 13 June 2022 19: 42
          +1
          Now imagine a girl with a bachelor's degree who doesn't mate. logic, neither computer algebra nor other AI did not study. They give her 10th grade geometry and they say she is ready for the exam ...
          Sincerely
        2. Taimen
          Taimen 13 June 2022 22: 39
          0
          In a Soviet school, technical school and institute. And you, madam, in which central school did you study? This is how you communicate with your opponent
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 13 June 2022 23: 27
            0
            Quote: Taimen
            In a Soviet school, technical school and institute. And you, madam, in which central school did you study? This is how you communicate with your opponent

            Read the Law on Education, then maybe you will understand what nonsense they wrote above, ...
            http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_140174/779e21e98202dcc3c9d0dd5994c7d061e7ab1f5f/
            Well, at the same time, try to somehow attribute your nonsense about "estates" and "logging" to the topic of the article under discussion ....
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 13 June 2022 18: 58
        0
        A specialist degree is a level of education equivalent to a master's degree. But it is one level. Specialists study for five or six years. And there is a two-level system: a four-year bachelor's degree and then a two-year master's degree. Specialist, for example, exists in the training of physicians. There are no bachelor's and master's degrees in medical schools.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 13 June 2022 20: 46
          0
          Quote: Sergej1972
          A specialty is a level of education equivalent to a master's degree.

          Not at all. Neither a bachelor's degree nor a specialist's degree involves scientific activity, pedagogical practice in the learning process....
          A bachelor in an enemy program is a subspecialist (empirialists prefer a subspecialist rather than a "generalist"), a master's degree (like our graduate school) already assumes a deeper knowledge in the field that you previously acquired in bachelor's degree, more scientific work is expected, incl. and within the framework of the master's thesis, reports, abstracts, essays on other subjects, more time is devoted to self-education and self-control, at each stage points and marks are given based on the results of the material covered .... I don’t know how it is now, but it was supposed to provide 1 -2 published scientific articles on the topic of your dissertation, but it was not critical, now I have already heard the obligation.... ...as in graduate school....
          In the Republic of Belarus and the Republic of Kazakhstan, having accepted bachelor's and master's programs, they abandoned postgraduate studies, because it has become an extra link, after a master's degree, you can go straight to doctoral studies ....
          Ours did not rush to disperse postgraduate studies (out of harm's way), but lowered its status, now in the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Republic of Belarus doctoral studies have become available to an even smaller number of people and they come to us to study in graduate school, because. diplomas are recognized within the CIS and give comrades a career advancement, this is especially true for civil servants ....
          So, the one who goes to the magistracy, he wants to gain knowledge and do scientific research, which he will apply at work, in the specialty in which he works ...
          A master's degree is also needed for people who want to gain knowledge in another field of knowledge, for example, they graduated from an economic specialty, then enrolled in a master's program in law or management, which makes it possible to get a free education, unlike a second higher ....
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 13 June 2022 21: 20
            0
            does not involve scientific activity, pedagogical practice in the learning process

            Are you serious? What are you willing to bet?
            Sincerely
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 13 June 2022 21: 50
              0
              Quote: nobody75
              Are you serious?

              I studied as a specialist for 5 years, 2001-2006. and I was not supposed to have pedagogical practice and scientific work, except for three term papers and a diploma work ....
              Studying in the magistracy, 2 years, 2011-2013. I had all this...
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 13 June 2022 22: 16
                0
                Let's start with the fact that bachelors and masters write and defend a WRC or a graduation project, if they are techies. Yes, the requirements for content and volume are different, but call THIS a scientific work? It's the same with pedagogical practice... If a graduate student was given a seminar for first-year students, this is not yet a ped. practice.
                Sincerely
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 13 June 2022 22: 50
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                  Quote: nobody75
                  masters write and defend WRC

                  It's scientifically called...
                  In the first and second year I had - educational, scientific and pedagogical practice (I gave lectures and seminars to third-year undergraduate students, according to the Regulations, pedagogical practice by a master can be carried out in the presence of a teacher and under his control)...
                  All of the above is part of the curriculum, which is drawn up for each specialty separately, if you do not follow the specified curriculum, you will be driven back ....
                  PRACTICE PEDAGOGICAL
                  form prof. education in higher and cf. ped. educational institutions, the leading link of practical. training of future teachers It is carried out in conditions as close as possible to prof. activities of the teacher. In the course of P. the item is intensified by the prof. and personal development of future teachers. Students are included in the real practical. activities, for the first time directly get acquainted with the performance of official duties and master the logic of prof. teacher behavior. The activity of students during the period of practice is approaching in content and structure to prof. activities of a teacher and is characterized by the same variety of relationships (with students, their parents, other teachers) and functions as the work of a professional teacher

                  https://pedagogicheskaya.academic.ru/1911/ПРАКТИКА_ПЕДАГОГИЧЕСКАЯ
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 13 June 2022 23: 50
                    0
                    You have cheered me up! Of course, not in the same way as the Ukrainian General Staff, but close ...
                    Regarding the curriculum, pedagogical practice, etc. Tyagomotina:
                    "My dear headmistress! How do you manage to teach the Russian language and Literature, if you know only two phrases in Russian: "Write KTP! Fill out the journal.
                    Sincerely
                    1. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 14 June 2022 18: 59
                      0
                      Quote: nobody75
                      You have cheered me up!

                      And you scared me...
                      And ... you are generally very dangerous, and not even because they are necessarily evil, but because they are alien to all considerations and always go ahead, as if the road on which they found themselves belongs to them alone.

                      Source: https://fishki.net/anti/2213636-30-metkih-citat-saltykova-wedrina-pokazyvajuwih-chto-v-rossii-nichego-ne-menjaetsja.html © Fishki.net

                      Discuss better here.
                      Ukrainian General Staff
                      1. nobody75
                        nobody75 14 June 2022 20: 10
                        -1
                        Where can I go, to the masters of sour cabbage soup ...
                        Sincerely
              2. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 13 June 2022 22: 16
                0
                Future teachers had mandatory pedagogical practice even before the introduction of the two-tier system. On the other hand, not all areas of the master's program provide for pedagogical practice. In addition, it must be remembered that there is an academic bachelor's degree and an applied bachelor's degree, as well as an academic and applied master's degree.
                1. nobody75
                  nobody75 13 June 2022 22: 42
                  0
                  Sorry, this pedagogical practice was given to you! What is difficult about it? Speaking seriously, the majority of future masters are not engaged in any scientific activity. This translation is wrong ... This means "research" activities when writing the WRC.
                  Sincerely
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 13 June 2022 23: 17
                    0
                    Quote: nobody75
                    Speaking seriously, the majority of future masters are not engaged in any scientific activity. This translation is wrong...

                    As they like to say here, you confuse warm with soft ....
                    The diploma says so - Practice and research work, incl.
                    research work
                    teaching practice
                    research practice
                    1. nobody75
                      nobody75 13 June 2022 23: 37
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                      Did you make a report on the results at the Practical-scientific conference?
                      Why are you turning everything into a joke?
                      Sincerely
                      1. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 14 June 2022 18: 56
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                        Quote: nobody75
                        Did you make a report on the results at the Practical-scientific conference?
                        Why are you turning everything into a joke?

                        There is the Federal Law "On Higher Education", there are Federal State Educational Standards, there are Regulations on the procedure for passing this or that practice, a bunch of methods and recommendations that students, masters, graduate students encounter during the educational process, it's up to everyone to follow them or turn everything into a joke ... .
                        However, you can play around here as much as you want....
                      2. nobody75
                        nobody75 14 June 2022 20: 12
                        -1
                        There is the Federal Law "On Higher Education", there are Federal State Educational Standards, there are Regulations on the procedure for passing one or another practice,

                        You forgot about Uncle Remus' Tales. This is FIRO's main source of inspiration! Have you ever passed by this pedagogical practice?
                        Sincerely
                    2. Sergej1972
                      Sergej1972 14 June 2022 00: 04
                      0
                      No one takes research and research practice of undergraduates too seriously.) The main thing is to draw up documentation and make a correct report.)
                  2. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 13 June 2022 23: 57
                    0
                    Future teachers have a real and rather complicated pedagogical practice. In the early 90s, in my second and third years, I had a passive practice, with extra-curricular and extracurricular activities, and an active one in the fourth and fifth. In the fourth year for a month and a half, in the fifth for two months, we conducted classes at the school according to the schedule. Starting from the second week. Mostly in their main specialization, and a few lessons in additional specialization. My main lessons were in history, plus a few classes in social studies and geography. Plus, extra-curricular and extra-curricular activities were carried out, psychological observations were made of the class as a whole and of an individual selected student. In the fifth year, many during the practice were registered for temporary work in schools where teachers were sick or there were vacancies. That is, it was possible to pass the practice and earn extra money. In addition, there was a legal practice (we went to meetings of courts and commissions for minors, visited a reception center) and geographical.
                2. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 13 June 2022 23: 06
                  0
                  Quote: Sergej1972
                  Future teachers had mandatory pedagogical practice even before the introduction of the two-tier system.

                  I did not study as a teacher, but the practice was mandatory in my master's program, maybe because the university was pedagogical.....
                  In my master's diploma, I have separately indicated: pedagogical and research practice, data on credit units, hours and grades for them ....
                  In addition, it must be remembered that there is an academic bachelor's degree and an applied bachelor's degree, as well as an academic and applied master's degree.

                  On what basis do you need to remember the above?
                  Article 69 of the Federal Law "On Education in the Russian Federation" dated December 29.12.2012, 273 N XNUMX-FZ indicates higher education, clearly - bachelor's degree, specialist's degree, master's degree and not a word about applied and academic ....
                  1. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 13 June 2022 23: 50
                    0
                    Read the main educational programs on the websites of universities. There are academic and applied undergraduate and graduate programs. Or type in Yandex applied bachelor's degree, academic bachelor's degree, academic master's degree, applied master's degree.
  4. paul3390
    paul3390 13 June 2022 13: 05
    +11
    Under the Soviet system - we won the greatest war, we were the first to fly into space and became one of the two superpowers. Well, what the hell is reinventing the wheel? When there is already a well-proven sample?

    Although - a rhetorical question. The Soviet system was sharpened to educate people, real, not stupid consumers. The stump is clear - it doesn’t suit our current tops ..
    1. stirrer
      stirrer 13 June 2022 13: 21
      -4
      The Soviet system was designed to educate people, real, not stupid consumers

      How did it happen that these real people suddenly wanted to become consumers and destroyed such a wonderful country as the Soviet Union.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 13 June 2022 13: 40
        +3
        Quote from: stirrer
        How did it happen that these real people suddenly wanted to become consumers and destroyed such a wonderful country as the Soviet Union.

        Much can be achieved with deceit and flattery. True, until the time when this is not revealed, the true background of all actions will not come out, the selfish motive of betrayal will not be revealed.
        1. stirrer
          stirrer 13 June 2022 13: 47
          -3
          Well, what kind of real Soviet people were they in a totalitarian state where everything was controlled by the state television, newspapers, education, could they deceive?
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 13 June 2022 14: 03
            +3
            Quote from: stirrer
            Well, what kind of real Soviet people were they in a totalitarian state where everything was controlled by the state television, newspapers, education, could they deceive?

            Do you understand Russian poorly?
            The Soviet people saw everything and wanted to change. True, the old Soviet nomenclature, unable to give up personal privileges, was replaced by “worse” representatives with more selfish desires, more dodgy, capable of presenting lies as a kind of panacea for troubles.
            Spectators in the circus (many) sincerely believe that the prestidigitator, under certain conditions, is able to feed the entire population with rabbit meat (in our case, Bush's legs).
            1. stirrer
              stirrer 13 June 2022 14: 22
              -4
              The Soviet people saw everything and wanted to change.


              That is, the Soviet people wanted to become consumers, what changes did they need?
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 13 June 2022 16: 25
                -2
                Quote from: stirrer
                That is, the Soviet people wanted to become consumers, what changes did they need?

                In your medical record, quite by chance, there is no entry:
                1. stirrer
                  stirrer 13 June 2022 17: 06
                  +1
                  My personality does not answer the question why Soviet citizens, brought up by the system to be Humans, suddenly wanted to become consumers en masse.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 13 June 2022 19: 35
                    0
                    And because of the advertising of the Western way of life.
                  2. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                    Sergey Aleksandrovich 13 June 2022 21: 15
                    0
                    The system of the 80s of the last century did not provide for an expanded reproduction of the labor force, that is, the population itself according to a significant part of social groups, for example, engineers. The salary of an engineer ensured only survival, but not reproduction. Naturally, people wanted change.
                    1. stirrer
                      stirrer 13 June 2022 22: 38
                      0
                      The salary of an engineer ensured only survival, but not reproduction. Naturally, people wanted change.


                      That is why I say that now it is not so important what the Soviet or current or even Chinese education system will be, if the problems are completely different.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 13 June 2022 15: 11
        0
        You either were somewhere on the moons of Jupiter in those days, or you did not find it because you were young. Otherwise, they themselves would know the answer to the question.
        1. stirrer
          stirrer 13 June 2022 15: 18
          0
          I perfectly caught those times and I see how you are trying to pull an owl on a globe. And when I ask you about historical facts, you immediately break the template.
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 13 June 2022 16: 09
            -3
            How are things in your native Tsegabonia? Are you holed up in a bunker? Hard work - are we here in Russia on the ears? Go - send often and rudely?
            1. stirrer
              stirrer 13 June 2022 17: 04
              +3
              I have no idea, I have never been to Ukraine in my life, I lived most of my life in Novosibirsk, only this once again confirms the demolition of your template.
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    3. rusl4n
      rusl4n 13 June 2022 15: 55
      -1
      Alas, such a system exists only in your dreams. The Soviet system was sharpened by the production of emasculation of the child. Humanities, critical thinking and lateral thinking, by the end of school should have been knocked out and the void filled with mathematics / physics. If you want the school to bring up real people and not "stupid consumers", then you need to develop in every child the ability to be creative and give freedom.
      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 13 June 2022 22: 45
        0
        Well, from what? There was no such thing in the Soviet system. The teacher of the history of the CPSU quite specifically explained to us that under socialism the proletarian must be "a goal like a falcon." That is, he should not have his own means of production. The social structure, political economy, were taught in a very substantive and concrete way.
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 14 June 2022 20: 14
          0
          How do you imagine an aircraft carrier owned by a proletarian?
          Sincerely
    4. kalibr
      kalibr 13 June 2022 20: 40
      +1
      Quote: paul3390
      Under the Soviet system - we won the greatest war, we were the first to fly into space and became one of the two superpowers.

      And then they screwed it all up with a bang! Peace, dear, is harder than war!
  5. HAM
    HAM 13 June 2022 13: 07
    +10
    In a technical university in the 80s, we were told: "We are obliged to give students basic knowledge, teach them how to use literature (there was no Internet then), and most importantly, think and decide on their own!" --- well, what's wrong with that!? ...
    1. stirrer
      stirrer 13 June 2022 13: 30
      -3
      So now students are taught to think, they are taught to decide on their own, what is in Russia and in the West, they say in Asia it is more difficult and there they sharpen on template solutions, but with maximum efficiency, which is why there is a saying / joke that no matter what you do, there will always be a Chinese which will make it better.
  6. Leshak
    Leshak 13 June 2022 13: 07
    +8
    ...Russia is not going to completely return to the Soviet model, but some practices from it can be used for the future system of higher education in our country...

    My opinion, on the contrary, is to take the Soviet system of education as a basis and add modern practices.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 June 2022 13: 37
      +5
      Quote: Leshak
      My opinion, on the contrary - take the Soviet system of education as a basis and add modern practices.

      Better equipment...Add more visibility...
      Pay close attention to secondary and secondary technical education.
      It is necessary to teach people how to create, adequately paying for their work, and not the principles of speculation, cheating others and the skills of fraud.
      Society must systematically and gradually get rid of parasites and various kinds of drones, foaming at the mouth, proving to it their indispensable need.
      And you don't need to lie to people (your people). Better a bitter truth than a sweet lie.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 13 June 2022 15: 14
      0
      I'm afraid that in the modern world it will be necessary to introduce not modern, but ancestral practices. In the sense of the rod and all that. Otherwise, you’ll set the brains of the current generation to hell.
      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 13 June 2022 22: 48
        0
        So are the roses? In my time, it was enough to tap the top of the head with a long pointer. And it worked quite well.
  7. Corrosion inhibitor
    Corrosion inhibitor 13 June 2022 13: 08
    0
    The communists have already spoken about the nonsense that United Russia and the Ministry of Defense want to make together. Nonsense, nonsense, will not change dramatically, absolutely nothing. The money spent on reforms will go to the sand. And instead of educated people, new generations of professional / unsuitable degenerates will be born.
    If today we raise the question of what the reform of the system of power should be, then it will be a question of whether the United Russia party will voluntarily share power with real citizens of Russia. The correct answer is, of course, NO.
    The reform of education in Russia today is not a question of world experience; it was already taken into account in the Soviet system. That is why, after President Kenedy returned from a trip to the USSR, two reforms were immediately carried out - agriculture and education. As a result, the United States received the image of a modern super-productive farmer and the image of the state education system. And before that, they had serious complex problems with both directions.
    Therefore, the reform of education in Russia is, first of all, an appeal to the still living representatives of that same Soviet system. They were able to see with their own eyes both Soviet life and its violent destruction and the "achievements" of the 90s and the "power" of modern Russia, which by some miracle still rests on just those generations, do not build illusions about something new - it's just no.
    What already deep old people are able to tell you and those whom, against all odds, they managed to train to study, design, build and produce - this is the basis of the reform. Which does not suit edinorosov so much today. Here they are brainwashing us. And they will continue to do so - they have no choice but to harm. And we have - we continue to live, or not survive.
    1. Corrosion inhibitor
      Corrosion inhibitor 13 June 2022 13: 30
      -3
      The stupid edit timer is over. Sorry for mistakes.
      Here is the correct version of that paragraph:
      ** If today we raise the question of what the reform of the education system should be like, then it will be a question of whether the United Russia party wants to voluntarily share the power it has been welded with the real citizens of Russia. The correct answer is, of course, NO.**
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 13 June 2022 15: 04
      -2
      Quote: Corrosion_Inhibitor
      The communists have already spoken about the nonsense that United Russia and the Ministry of Defense want to make together.

      That the Communist Party has developed a new concept for the development of primary, secondary, pre-university, university and postgraduate education, can you share a link to the "monumental works" of your coreligionists? The Communist Party of the Russian Federation had a majority in the State Duma of the Russian Federation of the second and third convocations, the United Russia was registered with the Ministry of Justice in 2002, do not share, what the communists did in the "funny 90s"to us now fruitful results now to feel them ...
      Again, some slogans of the offended, from whom the trough was taken away:
      If today we raise the question of what the reform of the system of power should be, then it will be a question of whether the United Russia party will voluntarily share power with real citizens of Russia. The correct answer is, of course, NO.

      I don’t understand why I wrote this, the topic of the article:
      Russia plans to create a new system of higher education

      Those. the author of the article under discussion simplifies the task for you, in his opinion, you need to think only about the reform of higher education, without affecting, in some way, preschool, primary secondary, secondary, pre-university and postgraduate education, academies of sciences, VAK, etc.
      Which does not suit edinorosov so much today.

      Again, slogans, in the United Russia, as in other parties, there are former communists (except for the young) ....
      You, according to the article, say what you can, are there any proposals or just spitting in the mirror ....?
      1. Corrosion inhibitor
        Corrosion inhibitor 13 June 2022 15: 13
        0
        I will share in due time. This moment is getting closer every day. Your worthless reposts, primitive manipulation and frank dregs will not help you stay with "your point of view".
        Because this is a really important question. It concerns everyone - I'm not the only one who will have my say. And I have something to say. Therefore, it will affect you too. If you live in Russia - especially.
        And it's not about the communists. And in real achievements and in real misses.
        The fact that I look like a communist today - now thank United Russia for this. I am an engineer, if I see laymen and ignoramuses ahead, I will no longer ask them today about the device of what they rule. And about the purpose of the "trip" - too. Time is over.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 13 June 2022 16: 35
          -1
          Quote: Corrosion_Inhibitor
          I will share in due time. This moment is getting closer every day.

          Understood, rallied and merged ...
          1. Corrosion inhibitor
            Corrosion inhibitor 13 June 2022 17: 01
            -3
            What's the point of wasting time on you? When you can just put before the fact. We're not in the place where decisions are made right now. I go there, unlike you.
            You now wait, no one has merged anywhere - they will tell you everything. And stupid and unscrupulous will be repeated several times.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 13 June 2022 19: 02
        0
        To be fair, they had a relative majority in the State Duma. The largest faction in terms of numbers, but still less than half of the total number of deputies.
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 13 June 2022 19: 03
      0
      Can you tell me when Kennedy came to visit the USSR?
  8. cytadell
    cytadell 13 June 2022 13: 10
    +2
    That's right Sergio_7! Education is the foundation of future generations, not marketers and managers, but scientists, engineers, industrialists and techies - the engine of Russia's progress and development in the future.
  9. Essex62
    Essex62 13 June 2022 13: 11
    +4
    Universities are not the most important. The system of secondary special and vocational education must be revived. No one to work with their hands.
    1. single
      single 13 June 2022 13: 26
      +2
      I agree. Opposite work -vocational school .... Sorry, College !!! In those days, he trained welders, turners, and a lot of people, and now Masters right away! How.
    2. Corrosion inhibitor
      Corrosion inhibitor 13 June 2022 14: 12
      +1
      This requires jobs. ... Then you need to write a lot, it's not time yet.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 13 June 2022 22: 51
        +1
        There is hope that the need will force us to raise our own and factories and factories will appear in large numbers. But, taking into account the automation and robotization of production, many jobs are not expected, firstly, capitalism is not focused on people, and secondly. Even where there is work, there is no decent salary. I would like changes in this particular area. A country that has been sharpened for 30 years to buy and sell cannot be changed at once. Maybe the war that the West imposed on us will speed up the process, mobilize power. devoured.
        1. Corrosion inhibitor
          Corrosion inhibitor 13 June 2022 23: 43
          +1
          There is always hope for this. In fact, she was the only one left. All other kinds of hope have already died. There is very little good in this. You have to be prepared for what will happen. Because it can be very hard, and this is not a joke.
  10. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 13 June 2022 13: 15
    +1
    I want an old one please. The one from the USSR
  11. Cowbra
    Cowbra 13 June 2022 13: 19
    +5
    What about school and vocational education?
  12. amr
    amr 13 June 2022 13: 23
    +5
    It is not necessary to start with higher education, but with school ....
    vocational school system return...
    .... eh, to be honest, I don’t even want to hit the keys, it’s all for nothing!
  13. tatra
    tatra 13 June 2022 13: 24
    -1
    Here, the enemies of the communists who seized the RSFSR under cowardly spells "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists' fault", "are offended" that the enemies of the communists who seized the Ukrainian SSR created ANTI-Russia out of it.
    And at the same time they themselves created the Anti-USSR from the RSFSR. Immediately after the capture of the RSFSR, like demoniacs, they rushed - come on, destroy, destroy everything Soviet. They destroyed the Soviet, destroyed it, but they didn’t do anything good for Russia and the Russian people, and they took only the bad from the West.
    1. stirrer
      stirrer 13 June 2022 13: 42
      -3
      Irina wants to understand these enemies of the communists, but I stumbled from the very beginning, who is the enemy of the communists, Abakumov or Stalin?
      It seems that Abakumov was definitely a communist, he crushed the fascist reptile, but according to a denunciation to Stalin from another communist, Colonel Ryumin, Abakumov was arrested on a number of charges: high treason, a Zionist conspiracy in the MGB, in an attempt to prevent the development of the "doctors' case".
      And here's how to figure it out if Abakumov was such a real enemy, then where did Comrade Stalin look all these years, and even allowed Abakumov to take such an important government post, and if, on the contrary, Abakumov was a communist from the bottom of his heart, then Comrade Stalin turns out to be either the very enemy of the communists or just a puppet in the hands of the enemies of the communists.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 13 June 2022 22: 58
        0
        The enemy of the communists is the capitalists and their henchmen. Personnel changes in the system of Soviet power do not concern such. The enemy is the enemy. Why should he figure out who, whom and for what?
      2. gsev
        gsev 14 June 2022 04: 08
        +1
        Quote from: stirrer
        Irina want to understand these enemies of the communists

        There is no need to look for enemies among the communists. It is more useful to figure out which of the whole trinity were fools. The sad fate of Stalin's offspring makes one doubt his genius if he arranged such orders in the country that his daughter took the old man as her husband at death in order to escape from the orders instituted by her father abroad.
  14. sen
    sen 13 June 2022 13: 26
    0
    In addition, the Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed the point of temporary deployment of foreign mercenaries in the Fedorovka area of ​​the Luhansk People's Republic by hitting it with high-precision missiles.

    Western dirt has already become so ingrained in our educational system, in people, that it will not be easy to pick it out. We need a new Lomonosov and Peter I.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 13 June 2022 15: 29
      +1
      Quote: sen
      Western dirt is already so ingrained in our educational system, in people that it will not be easy to pick it out. We need a new Lomonosov and Peter I.

      Lord, what nonsense. "gen. mr" (hopefully retired), Lomonosov studied in his time in Germany, mining, philosophy, studied German, French, Italian ...
      Peter I in Holland, England, Saxony, Austria and Venice, studied shipbuilding, and, accordingly, knew the related crafts .....
      It is clear that they acquired skills, abilities and competencies in certain sciences and industries, incl. and at home, but what they learned from the future empirialists they applied for the benefit of Russia and its people....
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 13 June 2022 23: 02
        0
        Quote: Lara Croft
        Quote: sen
        Western dirt is already so ingrained in our educational system, in people that it will not be easy to pick it out. We need a new Lomonosov and Peter I.

        Lord, what nonsense. "gen. mr" (hopefully retired), Lomonosov studied in his time in Germany, mining, philosophy, studied German, French, Italian ...
        Peter I in Holland, England, Saxony, Austria and Venice, studied shipbuilding, and, accordingly, knew the related crafts .....
        It is clear that they acquired skills, abilities and competencies in certain sciences and industries, incl. and at home, but what they learned from the future empirialists they applied for the benefit of Russia and its people....

        Let's just say, for the benefit of a part of the people. A very small part of it. The People were not good with benefits, before the construction of developed socialism.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 13 June 2022 23: 43
          0
          Quote: Essex62
          It was not good for the People with the benefits, before the construction of developed socialism.

          You would have given what you promised to the workers and peasants, even without your "developed socialism" they would have lived quietly and fed the country, and would not have bought grain until the collapse of the Union and after it .....
          No one will allow you to build "communism" again, they will quickly plant it on the pitchfork ....
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 14 June 2022 00: 06
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            Do you see many peasants today? Some managers and scammers, they never held a pitchfork in their hands. I live in the countryside, cattle are kept by a few, elderly, mostly people. The agrofirm is planting devils, like rapeseed. There are almost no grain crops.
            And yet communism has nothing to do with the peasantry. This is the highest form of social organization, based on scientific and technical progress, what kind of peasants, with global robotization and automation?
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 14 June 2022 19: 18
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              Quote: Essex62
              The agricultural company is planting devils, something like rapeseed.

              What is profitable to grow is invested in, mind you, not yours ...
              They take loans under which they mortgage their property and grow what they consider profitable (and not what you want) and for 5 years they don’t see any income until the costs are beaten off .... and as soon as the first profit goes, the first "breadwinners" .... for a long time before that, watching you ...
              Well, if the profit is enough for the current economic needs of the business and for the "breadwinners", then it's not a fact that your competitors will not break your head with a file or the "boys" from the Southern Federal District will not enter your business ....
              Well, are you ready to risk your head for the sake of grain?
              And yet communism has nothing to do with the peasantry.

              Unfortunately, the Russian peasants realized this late, when you came to them with food requisition, dispossession and collectivization in the villages ...
              what kind of peasants, with global robotization and automation?

              .... your remark is the result of Soviet power in the countryside .... who would have believed 30 years ago that without the former RSFSR and Ukrainian SSR, there would be a threat of starvation on earth ....
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 14 June 2022 23: 04
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                Quote: Lara Croft
                ..your remark is the result of Soviet power in the countryside .... who would have believed 30 years ago that without the former RSFSR and Ukrainian SSR, there would be a threat of starvation on earth ....

                Look less zomboyaschik. Wrestlers will tell you nothing from the screen.
                Well, the rest is nothing to discuss. The objective need to pass off as malicious actions can only be offended by the Soviet government. There is a skeleton, admit it?
        2. gsev
          gsev 14 June 2022 04: 17
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          Quote: Essex62
          It was bad for the People with benefits, before the construction of developed socialism.

          The simple life of the people does not change much either under socialism or under capitalism. Not all people dream of living working. After 1991, many people enjoy life outside of production with maximum freedom, mobility and a lot of adventure, which was not the case in the post-Stalin era. Under Stalin, running away from the collective farm and the FZO was still an adventure. My uncle's grandmother brushed off mobilization in the FZO. Yes, and my uncle was not a blunder, he huddled with the director of the school, faked his graduation from the 9th grade and entered the military school. The reforms of Peter 1 allowed Russia to avoid the fate of the Gerego people, who did not overcome backwardness and were slaughtered by the Germans by 80% due to the lack of politicians commensurate with Peter 1 in their ranks.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 14 June 2022 08: 14
            0
            "Who does not work, he does not eat" - the highest justice. Who knows what adventures you want? Drones society does not need.
            1. gsev
              gsev 14 June 2022 13: 45
              -1
              Quote: Essex62
              "Who does not work, he does not eat" - the highest justice.
              In Russia, only working for sticks under Stalin was problematic to survive. Grandma's godfather did not dare to steal on the collective farm and in this way doomed all his children to death. Relatives told him, "Have a conscience, godfather, steal food on the collective farm! Forget about your Christian commandments!" If this supreme justice, proven for centuries, does not work, people create new rules for themselves.
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 14 June 2022 22: 57
                0
                The new rules are to sit on the neck of a worker, download resources, drive them to the enemy, and profit on expensive whores and 200m yachts?
                The Stalinist USSR from the country destroyed by the Civil War, which, by the way, was unleashed by the propertied classes, built a great industrial power in ten years, crushed the aggression of the collective West, created a springboard for the complete elimination of capitalism, at least on the continent, providing the project with military power. The Soviet government took care of the citizens, when opportunities and means appeared for this, this is not an applied fact. And the ban on enrichment was the guarantor of their equality. No hard worker could jump on the ridge, it was possible to rake from the proletarian and the peasant to the huckster, to the fullest.
  15. Pulkovo1942
    Pulkovo1942 13 June 2022 13: 27
    +1
    a new system of higher education, which will be based on the best world developments in this area, including Soviet practice.

    Clearly, they decided to cross a Bobby with a rhinoceros. It would be better if they left the Bologna system, it made it possible to weed out mediocre bachelors from masters. And so there will be mediocrity specialists with a kaleidoscopic picture of the world.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 13 June 2022 15: 47
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      Quote: Pulkovo1942
      It would be better if they left the Bologna system, it made it possible to weed out mediocre bachelors from masters.

      I already wrote here that the Bologna system of education was created within the Common Market (future EU) and the education system focused primarily on the creation of uniform standards for higher education for Western European countries, respectively, the Russian Federation does not make sense to reshape the entire education system to EU standards, which however, it doesn’t hurt to take the positive from this system, especially since in the Russian Federation students and masters were trained under the “enemy” system for a long time and positive and negative experience was accumulated by the teaching staff of Russian universities, it remains only to generalize it, when creating the Concept of Higher Education in RF, on the basis of which the new Law on Higher Education and new Federal State Educational Standards will subsequently be developed .... as well as methods and recommendations, a feasibility study of the new Law, if we cheat when developing the Concept, then all the nonsense from it will be transferred later on. ...
      And so there will be mediocrity specialists with a kaleidoscopic picture of the world.

      Do not worry, masters from MGIMO will come to Lavrov's place, the children of those who left the country after February 24.02 or those who are doing well here ....
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 14 June 2022 07: 05
        0
        I already wrote here that the Bologna education system was created within the Common Market (the future EU) and the education system was focused primarily on the creation of uniform standards for higher education for Western European countries, respectively, the Russian Federation

        About how many wonderful discoveries
        Preparing a fresh joke!
        It all started with school ... There were two systems of secondary education - European and American. European - 5 classes and early career guidance. VO - for those who complete the school with entrance exams. American - as J. M. Keynes bequeathed to us all 12! But when the first American universities were opened, there was no single federal standard of education - that's why they still cling to tests. First, after WWII, Americans around the world (including the USSR) advanced their secondary education system. The Bologna system is the icing on the cake. The main idea is to recalculate courses. The Europeans were forced to agree to it, as the Americans began to issue educational loans, and European universities wanted money.
        Sincerely
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 14 June 2022 19: 41
          0
          Quote: nobody75

          About how many wonderful discoveries
          Preparing a fresh joke!

          Why is this in ... r?
          It all started with school ... There were two systems of secondary education - European and American. European - 5 classes and early career guidance. VO - for those who complete the school with entrance exams. American - as J. M. Keynes bequeathed to us all 12! But when the first American universities were opened, there was no single federal standard of education - that's why they still cling to tests. First, after WWII, Americans around the world (including the USSR) advanced their secondary education system. The Bologna system is the icing on the cake. The main idea is to recalculate courses. The Europeans were forced to agree to it, as the Americans began to issue educational loans, and European universities wanted money.

          Interesting. I hope they did not deceive the gullible and kind forum member.
          Sincerely
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 14 June 2022 20: 08
            -1
            Why is this in ... r?

            Are you talking about the relevance of your master's work?
            Sincerely
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 14 June 2022 20: 31
              0
              Quote: nobody75
              Why is this in ... r?

              Are you talking about the relevance of your master's work?
              Sincerely

              Have you read it, dear?
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 14 June 2022 20: 35
                0
                It is of little interest to read "v..ry" ...
                Sincerely
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 14 June 2022 21: 06
                  0
                  Quote: nobody75
                  It is of little interest to read "v..ry" ...
                  Sincerely

                  Where, then, is the conviction that my scientific work is of little interest ....?
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 14 June 2022 22: 07
                    0
                    Statistics are stubborn things. 99,9999% of the so-called "scientific" works are of little interest... Dialogue with one young lady...
                    - They say you edit the Vakov magazine?
                    - Yes, do you want to settle down?
                    - With you?

                    Sincerely
                    1. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 14 June 2022 22: 13
                      0
                      Quote: nobody75
                      - They say you edit the Vakov magazine?

                      I have 3 wack articles, and you?
                      1. nobody75
                        nobody75 18 June 2022 07: 07
                        0
                        Helps seduce girls?
                        Sincerely
                      2. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 18 June 2022 13: 32
                        0
                        Quote: nobody75
                        Helps seduce girls?
                        Sincerely

                        We are anti-ligent people and kind forum users .... I advise you to be like that too ...
                      3. nobody75
                        nobody75 18 June 2022 14: 57
                        +1
                        Please advise! Only it doesn’t make much sense for me to be anti-ligent ... I remember, with a scoop, a candidate of sciences received 300 rubles per month for the title. And he could safely lead a parasitic lifestyle! And now?
                        Therefore, Pushkin advised me not to publish in Vakov's journals:
                        "Inspiration is not for sale, but you can sell a manuscript."
                        Sincerely
  16. certero
    certero 13 June 2022 13: 29
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    Quote: Sergio_7
    It's time to sweep all Western nonsense out of our education system! Bring back the Soviet, raise the salaries of teachers and lecturers in universities and schools! It is necessary to raise the prestige of the teaching profession!!

    What Western bullshit do you want to endure? Mathematics or physics whose foundations were laid in the West? Or the USE system where the student does not depend on the mood of the teacher or his desire to spoil the student?
  17. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 13 June 2022 13: 29
    +3
    Russia should develop and implement a new system of higher education, which will be based on the best world practices in this area, including Soviet practice.

    Worn topic. New - well-forgotten old.
    Frames decide everything!
  18. Gunther
    Gunther 13 June 2022 13: 29
    +2
    It's high time, and the first thing to do is to remove the imposed "citation index" - only harm to our scientists, well, in addition to the banal theft of ideas.
    For the "bologna" they drown mainly the devils from the louse (HSE) - they fell in love with foreign receptions, at the expense of taxpayers.
  19. Orik
    Orik 13 June 2022 13: 39
    0
    does not mean that Russia will abandon the undergraduate and graduate levels. At the same time, a unique system may appear in our country, for example, including one more level - a specialty.

    So now there is a specialty, what is the "uniqueness" ?! It is immediately clear that they are not capable of creating anything, it is necessary to declare new what is.
  20. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 13 June 2022 13: 40
    -4
    It is useless to explain why the "Bologna" system was introduced and what it gave to graduates in Russia, here, to people in a patriotic frenzy. Alas. hi
    1. Nafanya from the sofa
      Nafanya from the sofa 13 June 2022 14: 04
      0
      Explain why the "Bologna" system was introduced and what it gave graduates in Russia,

      And what did it give to graduates in Russia better than the Soviet one, you unpatriotic non-patriot?
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 13 June 2022 14: 20
      0
      why the "Bologna" system was introduced and what it gave graduates in Russia
      As an employee of a higher school, I can tell you that I did not give anything. I take to my office only those who have graduated from a specialty and masters, that is, with a complete higher education.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 13 June 2022 19: 10
        0
        In fact, in many universities in a number of areas, a master's degree is a sham. Very often, guys who have completed a bachelor's degree and have not enrolled in a master's program in their field have better qualifications compared to graduates of a master's program who have previously completed a bachelor's degree in a completely different direction. Often undergraduates, especially in the humanities, occasionally appear in class. Many work full time, very often their work has nothing to do with their master's direction. People just want to get a degree.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 13 June 2022 19: 43
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          Very often, guys who have completed a bachelor's degree and have not entered a master's program in their field have better qualifications compared to graduates of a master's program who have previously completed a bachelor's degree in a completely different direction.
          Why compare warm with soft. Qualification is gained by consistent assimilation of the material, for 4 bachelor's years it is impossible.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 13 June 2022 20: 22
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            But after all, a significant part of undergraduate students studied in completely different areas. He graduated with a bachelor's degree in the direction of "baking technology", and a master's degree in the direction of "political science", for example. This often happens to undergraduates in the humanities. Although there are cases, even Minister Falkov spoke about this when, after a liberal arts bachelor's degree, they enter the master's program in chemical technology. Our rules allow people who have completed a bachelor's degree in completely different areas to enter most areas of the master's program. There are also exceptions to this rule. Now you can enroll in a master's degree in law only after graduating from a law bachelor's degree. The same is true for veterinarians. But doctors, customs officers generally do not have a bachelor's and master's degree, they have a specialty.
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 13 June 2022 21: 44
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              But after all, a significant part of undergraduate students studied in completely different areas.
              Where did you get such data from? At MAI, we have technical specialties and such stupidity is not allowed at all. If the directions are different, then the student will have to finish the disciplines that he had to pass in the junior years, otherwise he will not see a diploma.
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 13 June 2022 22: 41
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                I myself teach under such undergraduates.) The higher education system of the Russian Federation is not limited to such well-deserved and specific technical
                universities like MAI, or MEPhI with MIPT. Go to the websites of Moscow State University, MGIMO, or a couple of provincial classical and flagship universities. Look at the rules for admission to the magistracy, and make sure I'm right. Or read Falkov's latest interview on the development of higher education.
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 13 June 2022 22: 56
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                  such well-deserved and specific technical
                  universities like MAI, or MEPhI with MIPT.
                  Regrettably, there is no specialty at MIPT now. Hope it shows up. I don't know anything about provincial universities. I am a part-time teacher, and ignoramuses, even with master's degrees, I do not need. And it is not clear who needs them.
                  1. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 13 June 2022 23: 44
                    0
                    Just went to the MIPT website. They have a specialty, the duration of training is 5,5 years.
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 14 June 2022 07: 52
                      +1
                      Just went to the MIPT website. They have a specialty, the duration of training is 5,5 years.
                      It's good that they kept it. Is there one on FALT too? For some reason, I didn’t notice them there, all bachelors and masters.
      2. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 13 June 2022 23: 56
        -1
        Quote: Aviator_
        I take to my office only those who have graduated from a specialty and masters, that is, with a complete higher education.

        Is a bachelor's degree a higher education? You can repeat your nonsense written above in front of a prosecutor or a labor inspector ....

        Stupid, in the rough sense of the word, Strunnikov could not be called, but he was only smart enough to, as they say, not to eat tallow candles and not to wipe himself with glass.
        Source: https://fishki.net/anti/2213636-30-metkih-citat-saltykova-wedrina-pokazyvajuwih-chto-v-rossii-nichego-ne-menjaetsja.html © Fishki.net
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 14 June 2022 08: 03
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          Is a bachelor's degree a higher education? You can repeat your nonsense written above in front of a prosecutor or a labor inspector ....

          "If a buffalo is written on a cage with a lion, do not believe your eyes" (K. Prutkov). Of course, I will repeat. There is a list of job responsibilities, under which everyone who is hired signs (didn't you know?), In case of non-compliance, various measures are provided, up to and including dismissal. Bachelors are ignoramuses, they need to finish their studies. In our system, this ersatz engineer is not needed. I am responsible for the work of my research sector, and not for the existence of papers about higher education.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 14 June 2022 19: 56
            -2
            Quote: Aviator_
            There is a list of job responsibilities, under which everyone who is hired signs (didn't you know?), In case of non-compliance, various measures are provided, up to and including dismissal.

            Read the procedure for admission in the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, if you accepted it through a competition (there is no probationary period) or after successfully passing the probationary period you say that it is not suitable, then he will laugh with a terrible laugh in your face, spit in your face and ask for a certification card of your workplace and the Regulations on recertification .....
            And after your "almshouse" falls under the administration and flies off all tenders, then for you personally the retirement age will come earlier than for everyone else in this country ... laughing
            Do not cough ...
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 14 June 2022 20: 30
              +2
              I don't suffer from cough. The key words in the text are "successful completion of the probationary period". There are many completely legitimate ways to get rid of a stupid employee, for this you don’t even have to dig deep into the shopping mall. I am familiar with legal litigation, I was in the commission on labor disputes for several years. No need to scare me with the "terrible laugh" of an idler, Chubais and Gaidars do not work for me, only they can afford such a laugh. hi
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 14 June 2022 20: 43
                -1
                Quote: Aviator_
                With legal litigious sign, has been for several years in the labor dispute committee.

                As far as I know, the consideration of the dispute within the framework of the TC commission has nothing to do with the consideration of a labor dispute in the Court, because adjudication of a dispute in pre-trial and judicial proceedings are two different things ....
                Accordingly, you have no idea what you are writing about here and are misleading kind (like me) and gullible members of the forum ....
                Chubais with Gaidars don’t work for me, only they can afford such laughter

                it’s a sin to write about the deceased and political refugees like that, but for the mention of these freaks I’ll give you a plus sign, I hope one in Hell the other is on the way .... God forgive me ...
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 14 June 2022 21: 00
                  +1
                  Accordingly, you have no idea what you are writing about here and are misleading kind (like me) and gullible members of the forum ....
                  It is strange that there is no statement that I have no idea about my main job either. Initially, the conversation turned to the qualifications of bachelors, which I do not need (and not only me). Here are not needed. Let them complete their studies, no matter what is written in their diplomas. I need qualified employees. hi
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 18 June 2022 15: 06
                    0
                    Of course! You have no idea about your work! It is obvious! Without bachelors - girls - chants, who will "manage projects" (compost employees' brains via Skype)? Who will be in charge of "strategic management"? Here, for example, is what one of these strategists answered the question of what he will do tomorrow: "From tomorrow I begin to work on the selected positions." And who, except for girls - bachelors, will be engaged in SMM?
                    Sincerely
  21. ultra
    ultra 13 June 2022 13: 43
    0
    But what about, you need to cut the babos to create a "new" system. Let's start inventing the wheel again. There is a Soviet system that has been proven for decades, and it must be returned in full.
  22. rocket757
    rocket757 13 June 2022 13: 44
    +4
    Speaker of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Vyacheslav Volodin believes that Russia should develop and implement a new system of higher education, which will be based on the best world practices in this area, including Soviet practice.
    . What is going on in the minds of those sovereigns of rstvennyh figures ??? They again begin to invent something new and include something from Soviet practice??? And where it will lead, again and again ... this is a RAKE that they want to jump on for the umpteenth time.
    Yes, Soviet practice can be taken as is, only slightly corrected, where it is true, it is necessary!
    Again they will collect advice, different companies that will "work through" and .... they will spend money, it will be, but at the expense of everything else, it's not just doubtful, they will probably do garbage!
    The Soviet system was created by talented people, responsible, for the cause of Nadezhdin with all their hearts ... and what and who can they collect now ???
    In general, another bureaucratic .... uproar of activity.
  23. Joker62
    Joker62 13 June 2022 13: 57
    +4
    In order to create a new system of higher education, it is necessary to radically change primary secondary education. Namely, to remove the Bologna system as the USE from the school and return the Soviet education system, and only then, we can talk about transformations and improvements in both secondary technical (humanitarian) and higher education schools. Otherwise, no way, otherwise everything will be lame on both legs!
  24. Nafanya from the sofa
    Nafanya from the sofa 13 June 2022 14: 00
    +1
    which will be based on the best world developments in this area, including Soviet practice.

    The new Russian education system = the old Soviet one - the world's best practices.
    This is the correct formula.
    Soviet university diplomas were not recognized, and at the slightest opportunity they tried to lure Soviet engineers to work in the west.
  25. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 13 June 2022 14: 09
    -1
    Afanasiev also noted that Russia is not going to completely return to the Soviet model,

    But this is wrong. Necessary completely return to the Soviet model.
    And this had to be done not tomorrow, not yesterday, but the day before yesterday.
  26. Looking for
    Looking for 13 June 2022 14: 16
    -3
    a new "cut" of the budget is being prepared. I still don't understand. What was bad about the Soviet system. Education that gave the country. a whole galaxy of outstanding scientists and engineers.
  27. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 13 June 2022 14: 17
    +1
    in the country a unique system may appear, for example, including one more level - specialty.
    This system, as an element of the Soviet system, has been preserved in our country since 2003, in particular, in the Moscow Aviation Institute.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 13 June 2022 19: 12
      +2
      The doctors also kept it, the customs officers, etc.
  28. Sergey28
    Sergey28 13 June 2022 14: 21
    +1
    As long as the government of the country (in general) and the ministries (in particular) are governed by bureaucrats educated on the principles of liberals, all attempts to create a new education system go to waste.
  29. gansales
    gansales 13 June 2022 15: 03
    -2
    Guys are needed in schools with the powers of the NVP !!! And salaries, so that at the level .. To teach these spinogryz to the mind to reason.!
    Does not obey .. To a special school right away !!!!!
    Let them go out there if they can .... I'm for it!
  30. rusl4n
    rusl4n 13 June 2022 15: 33
    -2
    Unfortunately, everyone is very happy about Russia's exit, although the root of the problem lies in a different plane.
    Reading the comment, one gets the feeling that the school should bring up only a slave who knows how to fight. Mushtra, a teacher with the rights of a supervisor, special schools for disobedience .... do we really want such a school ??? And given the lessons of history from the first grade, patriotic education and life safety, will there definitely be time for normal subjects? Will there definitely be enough strength for technological competition with countries where the emphasis is on applied subjects?
    The problem of education in the country is associated with a catastrophic underfunding and not a change in the system. "Men are needed in schools with CWP powers" - this will definitely not give a competitive advantage to our children over their peers from other countries.
    Do you really want the school to make a tank driver out of your child instead of a specialist capable of creating a spacecraft ???
    1. rusl4n
      rusl4n 13 June 2022 15: 43
      -1
      I see only one real reason for leaving the Bologna system, other than jingoism, is the ability to pay less for work.
      The most striking example is programmers. Today, the salaries of programmers in Russia are relatively high, just because they can theoretically quickly change the country without retraining.
      The Bologna system also assumes that you with a degree in agronomy from the University of Bryansk can work in Germany by profession and receive appropriate pay. But if your diploma is recognized only in Russia, then you can only work in Russia. And you can assign a salary of at least three kopecks, because the specialist will not have other options for work.
      And the people who rejoice in leaving this system are rejoicing that they will live poorer ...
      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 13 June 2022 21: 25
        +1
        Even worse, they want to deprive us of the opportunity to teach foreign students, this is a serious blow. This blow to international educational opportunities must certainly be responded to as harshly as possible and in the shortest possible time. Alas, this is not yet visible.
  31. RVAPatriot
    RVAPatriot 13 June 2022 16: 09
    -1
    It’s better to just return the Soviet school ...
  32. Antokha
    Antokha 13 June 2022 18: 34
    +2
    Precisely, the Soviet system of education cannot be revived;
    - it was based on the idea of ​​the superiority of the socialist system over the capitalist one. Now it is believed that either capitalism has won, or ideas are not needed in principle. One way or another, we now do not have a civilizational idea that sets a goal for our people. The West has it - personal enrichment. Without a great goal, education ... why?
    - it existed in a society of equality, where the difference between the poorest and the richest was only a few times. Such equality destroyed the majority of envy, and the rest was directed to a creative direction: if you want to get more, become a doctor of science, an academician, a professor, etc. Why not become a huckster / embezzler / drug dealer now, but you have to be an engineer? Why not go where there is maximum money and minimum work?
    - there were no consumer goods in the right quantity. Even the money earned was sometimes difficult to spend. There were not a huge number of temptations on every corner. At the same time, the people were not satisfied with the fact that the queue for everything, dodged with orders, bought from speculators, from under the floor. Discontent matured and bore fruit in 1985-1991. Now everything is there, how to limit yourself and why?
    ***
    A person who has gone through the Soviet school now will not be ready for modern life. He, most likely, will repeat the fate of our compatriots in 1991: he will either be absorbed by temptations, or remain on the periphery of society, which is worse for him and his family.
    But such a person will not be formed now in the Soviet school, because. society won't. It is different, it will bring him down.
    To begin with, we - adults need to draw up a portrait of the student we want to graduate from school / university: knowledge, motives for his behavior, resistance to temptations, ideology, systems thinking, a balance of complaisance and initiative, expectations from work in 5, 10, 20 years and pensions. To honestly compose so that such a person can sustainably exist on his own without a rigid doctrine, as in the USSR. And then you need to look at what education system will provide it. The Soviet system was good, but we must remember that the Soviet people sold their country for beads. I am part of this people, and I did it too. Here you can’t get by with slogans, you need to work on the mistakes.
    1. Ingvar7
      Ingvar7 14 June 2022 23: 15
      0
      Soviet education largely adopted from the German system of the 19th century. What is the ideology here?
      1. Antokha
        Antokha 16 June 2022 12: 57
        0
        Soviet education largely adopted from the German system of the 19th century.

        I didn't live in Germany in the 19th century and I can't comment on that. Yes, and it doesn't matter. The Soviet system was quite distinctive. If we are to argue about its origin, we must start with the system of tsarist Russia.

        What is the ideology here?

        In the Soviet system, in which I went through school and the first three years of university, ideology was a very important point. All humanitarian disciplines, including foreign languages, were built on its basis.
  33. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 13 June 2022 19: 14
    0
    Future teachers have a bachelor's degree in two directions. He is five years old. In form, this is a bachelor's degree, in fact the same specialty.
    1. gsev
      gsev 14 June 2022 13: 54
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      Quote: Sergej1972
      Future teachers have a bachelor's degree in two directions.

      In the USSR, teachers were also trained in 2 subjects, such as chemistry and biology. The advantages of the West over the USSR could be to listen to the specific course you need and not bother with unnecessary items. A certificate of attending a course instead of a diploma is not a vice or a stigma there.
  34. Comrade I
    Comrade I 13 June 2022 19: 24
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    ...for example, including one more level - specialty.

    Weird. Back in 2013, I graduated as a specialist (engineer-physicist).
    Or was the specialty canceled later?
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 14 June 2022 00: 17
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      Quote: Comrade Y
      Or was the specialty canceled later?

      Not at all. Read the Education Act, it still exists....
  35. gsev
    gsev 14 June 2022 13: 50
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    Quote: Pulkovo1942
    it made it possible to weed out mediocre bachelors from masters

    Apt remark! Perhaps this is a real plus of the Bologna system. Untalented and lazy people were partially eliminated during their studies. Under the USSR, in universities in the 4th and 5th courses, they were little expelled. Recently, when applying for a job, a graduate was given the task to count the number of tiles needed for facing a room of known geometry and the number of skirting boards to be installed along the perimeter of the floor. He could not solve the problem of the level of the 5th grade of the school.
  36. Ingvar7
    Ingvar7 14 June 2022 23: 11
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    Deputy the minister should be fired. This system was imposed for only one purpose - to pull the minds out of Russia.
  37. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 18 June 2022 17: 01
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    Getting out of the bologna system is good. But it is NECESSARY to return to the Soviet system of both higher and secondary education, otherwise we will have a "step forward - two steps back", because who will compose a new system? Victims of the USE and the Bologna system. That is, there will be even more profanation.