Winged death of democracy

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Winged death of democracy


I think this article deserves to be read in Russia as well. So that there are no illusions about what those who call themselves "the leader of the free world" and "the luminous city on a hill" are doing with the other hand. Hundreds of thousands of people on our planet today are peering into the sky with horror, waiting for the arrival of the winged death of democracy. What it is? These are unmanned aerial vehicles, in short - UAVs. They are also called differently - drones. But it would be correct to call them that - the winged death of democracy ...

Jennifer Gibson, Los Angeles Times (October 4 2012, p. 21)

"Living with death from drone"

Last week, Stanford and New York Universities released the largest study on the use of drones in the ever-expanding, and endless, war on terror. Unfortunately, many comments missed the main message of this report: drones are terrorizing the entire civilian population.

I was one of the researchers for this report and spent more than one week in Pakistan, having interviewed more than 60 people in North Waziristan. Many of them were survivors of blows from UAVs, others lost loved ones and family members. They all live now under the constant fear of destruction.

What my colleagues and I have learned from these nameless and unknown victims of the American "War drones” gave the name of the report itself - “Living under drones”.

People in the United States think that drones fly to their targets, launch their deadly missiles with surgical precision, and return to American bases hundreds of thousands of miles away. However, the UAVs are constantly in the sky over the tribal zone in Pakistan’s North Waziristan. Sometimes up to six vehicles simultaneously cruise over local villages. The population hears them day and night. From them nowhere to hide, the drones have become a constant reminder of death from the air.

This aerial presence steadily destroys a community of two in the state of Rhode Island. Parents are afraid to send children to school, women are afraid to meet in the markets, whole families are afraid to attend the funerals of those who were mistakenly killed in previous attacks with drones. Drivers do not want to bring loads of food from other parts of the country.

Habitual daily life is broken into pieces. Innocent people hide in their homes, afraid to take to the streets. "Double tips", they also repeated blows to the same goals, led to the fact that residents no longer even help the wounded. The leading humanitarian agency is now delaying assistance for a critical six hours. And the worst part is that no one can tell people in these communities what to do to feel safe. No one knows who is on the American death list, no one knows how they get into it and how it can be excluded from it. Such a terrifying "roulette". Suddenly and without warning, a rocket arrives and makes the victims of everyone within 16 radius yards.

It is clear that the Obama administration claims that it strikes only against militants. But if we understand that since the days of September 11 (2001 of the year), this is what we need to study the final results. People are not aware that the administration defines as militants - all men of “military age”, that is, from 18 to 65. Moreover, since the United States usually does not publicize the names of the people killed, we don’t even know whether the victims were really militants or they were qualified as such only in Washington’s opinion.

Truly, the whole process is filled with the same number of “weak points” as, say, the regime of detention in the military prison at Guantanamo on the territory of the island of Cuba. In Afghanistan, the Bush administration paid fantastic sums for information "on the ground." In areas full of tribal and inter-family conflicts, the result was predictable: hundreds of innocent people were slandered as members of the Taliban or al-Qaida, many of whom then spent years in Guantanamo and other American prisons.

Now the United States offers similar notions to people in North Waziristan who promise to identify militants. The houses of those who were given for militants are entered into the base of satellite navigators and, when the informant is at a safe distance, they are carried into pieces. But since no one knows what kind of informants they are, people stopped inviting neighbors to the houses. The whole community ceases to have public relations, fearing at the level of its cells to go outside and at the same time fearing to call itself inside.

This is the “life under drones”. She turned North Waziristan into the greatest prison in the world. A humanitarian worker who was in New York on September 9 (2001) and is now working in North Waziristan said that the atmosphere of these two situations is very similar - a constant feeling of fear that has no boundaries.

Of course, we have to ask ourselves whether drones are legal under international law. My point is that - no. We must also ask the question, are they not counterproductive? I think yes.

However, this discussion will not be nearly complete if we are not aware of what it is to live under drones. ”

Commentary by Nikolai Starikov: Jennifer Gibson writes very eloquently only about Pakistan. Not to mention at the same time that today the use of UAVs by Americans in the "fight against terrorists" is also in full swing in Yemen, Afghanistan and Somalia. With the same bloody score against civilians. Because the scheme is applied the same. At the same time, the plans of the Pentagon and the CIA (and the drones are being used by both these organizations at the same time) for the dissemination of "experience" in Libya and the Sahel zone are already beginning to be implemented. And, as the author of the article correctly notes, it is not only the casualties among the common population, but also the constant fear that takes root in people. Fear that destroys the connecting threads of society and, ultimately, destroys it. Do you think Washington does not understand this?

They understand. The only thing that keeps the winged death of a democracy. BYE - is Russia's presence of effective air defense and nuclear weapons. I do not know if anyone in the world is engaged in creating special weapons against drones. As in interstate conflicts they, it seems, have not yet been applied. As if no one else felt the threat of his skin. But this weapon of combat and reconnaissance-sabotage character has already been tested, and the Americans are working on its further improvement and development. And when these "birds" will begin to fly over the world will not seem to anyone. Can you shoot them down? Can. But only - anyway it's just a piece of hardware. A lively American who fights with this thing sits a hundred or a thousand kilometers from the place of use.

That's what I propose to think about ...
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  1. Vanek
    +5
    9 October 2012 07: 16
    SKYNET swallows them ..................
    1. +10
      9 October 2012 08: 02
      I hope the world is bored with such behavior of the world hyenas in the person of the USA and England and it will unite and rid our planet of this plague of the 21 century.
      1. Vanek
        +4
        9 October 2012 08: 05
        Hope to win brings victory closer, confidence in victory robs us of it. (Titus Livy)
      2. -3
        9 October 2012 10: 59
        alexneg,
        To understand the causes of the crisis in the top of the Western world, I recommend reading the following study by South African scientists, published in the SA Scientific Journal.
        http://www.vedamost.info/2012/09/blog-post_30.html#more
        A few quotes:
        According to the SA Scientific Journal, a group of scientists from the University of Cape Town made a sensational discovery. Confirmations were received that astral beings govern our consciousness! The significance of this discovery is so great that all studies related to the study of this effect were not only classified, but attempts were made to withdraw all publications that appeared earlier with information about these studies!
        We are all well aware of the attempts of various researchers of paranormal phenomena to fix on film so-called astral entities - ghosts, poltergeist and so on. Some of these attempts have been successful. See photos above. However, venerable scholars still question the reality of these images. A group of scientists from the University of Cape Town with their studies dispelled all doubts about this, proving the reality of obtaining such images, which resulted in their invention, marked by a US patent. Applying the improved method of the Kirlian spouses, they were able to achieve not only a clear fixation of these astral objects, but also to study their dynamic characteristics, including the dynamics of the radiation spectrum and the dynamics of their constituent fields.
        Having started their research several years ago and having received encouraging results, they decided to improve their research methods, which led to discoveries that shocked the scientific community. Data were obtained confirming the direct interaction of astral beings with the aura of people!
        More detailed studies of the dynamics of these objects and their interactions have revealed certain patterns of their behavior and their relationship with people.
        So, for example, photographs were taken to see the "penetration" of astral beings into the aura of man. In the pictures below, this is clearly visible.
        It turns out that astral entities can be divided into two pronounced types. Scientists have conventionally designated them as "black" and "clean."
        These names themselves already say a lot, characterizing these objects. They differ among themselves both in the intensity of the glow, in the spectral composition of the glow, and in its dynamic characteristics. The impact of these entities on people was also different.
        “Black” entities, for example, are constantly active in “attempts to penetrate” the human aura.
        “Pure” entities, as a rule, do not show such activity.
        The obtained correlations between the activity of “black” entities and the psychophysiological state of people also show their degree of impact on people that is different from “pure” entities. As a rule, such an effect causes unreasonable aggression of people in an inadequate situation.
        Based on the experiments, it became quite obvious that many people are under the direct direct influence of these entities!
        1. +1
          9 October 2012 11: 04
          To confirm or refute these findings, statistical studies were conducted on large groups of people.
          Various categories of people took part in these studies, from prisoners in prison to groups of politicians and businessmen who gathered to discuss various issues.
          Since, in order to ensure the purity of the experiments, it was required that the subjects were completely ignorant of the fact that the experiments were being conducted, the group of researchers was camouflaged as a group of correspondents interviewing participants in the experiment. This was also required by some bulkiness of the equipment used, which was successfully camouflaged under the equipment of the film crew. The questions posed to the studied groups of people were specially prepared by a group of psychologists to obtain adequate behavioral reactions.
          In particular, such studies were conducted at the 2002 Summit in Johannesburg on sustainable development issues.
          Based on the results of the research, it was concluded
          Almost all politicians and businessmen who gathered at the summit in Johannesburg are “INFECTED”!
          The results of these studies shocked scientists! It turned out that the largest number of “black” entities with partial or full penetration into the aura was recorded in groups of politicians and businessmen! The number of "infected" "black" entities among politicians and businessmen was many times greater than the number of "infected" among prisoners!
          In addition, studies have been carried out on the subject of "infection" with astrals, many politicians of the highest rank from around the world. The results were depressing.
          Thus, statistical studies have confirmed the findings of scientists that a huge number of people, especially politicians and businessmen, are under the constant influence of the "black" astrals controlling their consciousness and behavior! Therefore, in all likelihood, the actions of politicians often turn out to be inadequate to the political and economic situations in the world.
          1. -1
            9 October 2012 11: 09


            photo examples
            1. snek
              +4
              9 October 2012 11: 16
              Quote: Ross
              According to the SA Scientific Journal, a group of scientists from the University of Cape Town made a sensational discovery. Confirmations have been received that our consciousness is controlled astral entities!

              We know these entities

              "maflock on the head" ... the correct name is not maflok, but a brain slug
            2. Marine One
              +5
              9 October 2012 12: 08
              You, dear, wear a foil pouch. No entity sticks to it.
              1. +2
                9 October 2012 12: 43
                Marine one,
                Each of us has an equal right to either know or not know.
                Ignorance of the laws does not exempt, is not it?
                The presence of the astral world is not a sensation, all the peoples of the Earth have information about this. Our ancestors called it the world of Navi. The church also knows about it.
                Subtle matters have been studied for a long time by science, many studies are, for obvious reasons, classified, but the String Theory is widely known in modern physics.
                Those forces that are behind the World Leaders make every effort to classify all research on this topic or ridicule them, if only the people do not realize their divine essence and how these forces use this divinity.
                1. Marine One
                  -1
                  9 October 2012 13: 03
                  Yes, believe in what you want. Are you forbidden? ..
                  1. snek
                    -1
                    9 October 2012 13: 13
                    Now, if Comrade Marine One is tolerant of this, but here I am.
                    Quote: Ross
                    Our ancestors called it the world of Navi. The church also knows about it.

                    World Navi? Is this where four-meter anthropomorphic blue cats with USB ports run around?
                    Quote: Ross
                    Subtle matters have been studied for a long time by science, many studies are, for obvious reasons, classified, but the String Theory is widely known in modern physics.

                    Do not even dare to attribute physical theories to your inadequacy.
                    And in general
                    Schneider classification

                    Psychiatrist Kurt Schneider (1887-1967) listed the main forms of psychotic symptoms, which, in his opinion, distinguish schizophrenia from other psychotic disorders. These are the so-called "symptoms of the first rank", or "Schneider symptoms of the first rank":
                    delusions of influence from external forces;
                    the belief that thoughts are stolen by someone from the head or put into it;
                    “The sound of one’s own thoughts”: the feeling that the content of thoughts becomes accessible to other people;
                    voices commenting on the thoughts and actions of a person or talking among themselves.

                    impact from external forces - there is
                    faith in investing thoughts (manipulation of astral beings) - there is
                    2 out of 4 ...
                    1. Marine One
                      +2
                      9 October 2012 14: 03
                      Quote: snek
                      Now, if Comrade Marine One is tolerant of this, but here I am.

                      If the subject behaves harmlessly, then why not. My tolerance would have ended once, if, on the basis of his faith, he began to harm other people in any form: from the physical persecution of dissent, then attempts to introduce his bullshit into education.

                      Here, by the way, an important problem comes up. Quiet crazies on the Internet really do no harm to anyone, but all sorts of marine bioenergy or the inventors of torsion satellites sitting in the State Duma or the Ministry of Defense (and there are such) are a direct threat to security, because they have an imperious resource.
                      1. snek
                        +1
                        9 October 2012 14: 18
                        Quote: Marine One
                        Here, by the way, an important problem comes up. Quiet crazies on the Internet really do no harm to anyone, but all sorts of marine bioenergy or the inventors of torsion satellites sitting in the State Duma or the Ministry of Defense (and there are such) are a direct threat to security, because they have an imperious resource.

                        This is a direct threat - I absolutely agree
                        Quote: Marine One
                        If the subject behaves harmlessly, then why not.

                        Recently I talked with a psychiatrist I know about this topic (by the way, the prerequisite for the conversation was communication with a friend on the same site, who told me about refugees from Venus with blue bones). He said that such online communication contributes to the deterioration in the course of mental disorders. Yes - for several months a person can seem to be hopelessly talking about "essences", etc. on the Internet, and then suddenly decides that it is time to act and save humanity from this threat (for example, by physically eliminating the carriers of "dark entities"). This is relatively unlikely, but not impossible.
                      2. Marine One
                        +2
                        9 October 2012 14: 28
                        Human head - darkness, in a word.
                      3. Robin_3ON
                        +4
                        9 October 2012 14: 33
                        I also do not strongly believe in all this fiction, but there is a nuance: when Jules Verne wrote "Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea" he was also considered crazy and laughed at him, but in the end ???? So maybe time will pass and they will not laugh at today's science fiction ??? hi
                      4. snek
                        +2
                        9 October 2012 14: 47
                        Quote: Marine One
                        Human head - darkness, in a word.

                        It is what it is.
                        Quote: Robin_3ON
                        I also do not strongly believe in all this fiction, but there is a nuance: when Jules Verne wrote "Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea" he was also considered crazy and laughed at him, but in the end ????

                        not quite appropriate comparison. Jules Verne represented and described the alleged worlds and inventions. To understand one of the faces where the line between imagination and frustration lies, let’s take the aliens.
                        If you ask a healthy person believes whether he, that there are aliens, he can answer either "yes" or "no" depending on his ideas about how life arose, what is the probability of this event, etc.
                        If you ask a healthy person know whether it is that there are aliens, then even those who answered the first question "yes" will only have to say something like "well, there is no evidence, so I cannot confirm." And a person with a psychological disorder (in the event that this is his "trick", he knows that there are aliens and can describe who they are, where they are from and for what purpose they came).
            3. Alex 241
              +2
              9 October 2012 13: 14
              Tie up to watch REN TV !!!!!!!!!!!
      3. slas
        -1
        9 October 2012 21: 07
        Quote: alexneg
        I hope the world is bored with such behavior of the world hyenas in the person of the USA and England and it will unite and rid our planet of this plague of the 21 century.

        Yes, how much can you wait then? It is clear to everyone that the wound should be immediately anointed with iodine or green leaf and everything is in order! So there is no pizyrek (USSR) smashed And then after all, soon the gangrene will have to be cut or the whole world to the pathologist recourse
    2. 0
      9 October 2012 19: 28
      Currently, there are 100 prisoners per 760 US residents. This is more than five times the average value of 1980, and significantly exceeds the number of Soviet citizens who were in the camps at the peak of Stalinist terror. Then the number of prisoners was 560 per 100 thousand people. As you can see, the excess is 200 people per 100 thousand or 35,7%. So the USA is a typical country of the free, however.
  2. +11
    9 October 2012 07: 20
    Missiles will not help here for sure .. It will cost a lot .. It remains to block control signals and satellite communications .. How to do this ....? Another question ... And what is being prepared is necessary, I personally absolutely understand.
    1. +3
      9 October 2012 09: 31
      How to do it....?
      - knock down the satellites!
    2. novik225
      +5
      9 October 2012 10: 20
      Six months ago, Iran planted one Amer bird from the sky - seized control and planted on its territory. Perhaps he did not completely take control, but simply was able to give the fake landing coordinates ... But this was precisely achieved with the help of electronic warfare. And where did they get such an interesting technique? I hope that they have received and tested in combat conditions from us ..
      1. +2
        9 October 2012 10: 46
        they wrote that our REB machine
      2. 0
        9 October 2012 18: 40
        Well there was a dark story in general. Given our large backlog in electronics (in all years), it will be difficult to fight ...
    3. +3
      9 October 2012 11: 27
      Quote: tracer
      Missiles will not help here for sure .. It will cost a lot .. It remains to block control signals and satellite communications .. How to do this ....? Another question ... And what is being prepared is necessary, I personally absolutely understand.
      - I offered - they laughed at me. He offered to do a thorough study of the algorithms that the same falcon uses when attacking a flying victim and recreating these algorithms in hardware, that's all. And the falcon drone itself, in addition to such algorithms, is equipped with powerful chasses with a powerful hydraulic drive (this will increase the mass, but in nature it is always the same - the predator is almost always larger than its prey) and with "claws" and highly sensitive detection equipment. Moreover, of a diverse nature - and optical, radar and some other kind of infrared thread. And there is no need to waste rockets - I made such drones and ensured patrolling of a certain area. No matter how powerful the states are - they will not pull the daily loss of their drones from such predatory drones - they are also not worth a penny. And to protect their predatory drones, combat aviation has not yet been canceled, and it is likely that it will be canceled in the foreseeable future.
      1. 0
        9 October 2012 18: 42
        The idea is good. But if ours buy from Israel a 20-year-old UAV and cannot create their own simple observation apparatus, then the "Predator" cannot be created at all)
        1. Alex 241
          +1
          9 October 2012 18: 44
          Everything is within reach, there are radio-controlled target aircraft. It’s just easier to cut the loot. Remember the story with tomographs.
    4. 0
      9 October 2012 18: 32
      Quote: tracer
      Missiles here will not help for sure .. It will cost a lot.

      I think the Igla rocket can be easily wetted, recently there was a video how our plane was shot down by a Georgian drone with an equivalent rocket. Then, the smallest (like the one in the photo) fly low, I think they can be beaten with a powerful sniper rifle.
    5. +3
      9 October 2012 22: 13
      [quote = tracer]
      Missiles will not help here for sure .. It will cost a lot .. It remains to block control signals and satellite communications .. How to do this ....? Another question ... And what is being prepared is necessary, I personally absolutely understand. [/ Quote]
      [quote = tracer]

      The Penza OJSC "Radiozavod" has conducted a number of experiments and tests to combat unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), the head of the research department of the enterprise Sergey Elizarov told "AviaPort".

      "In connection with the widespread use of UAVs, the task of combating them arose. Therefore, it was decided to adapt the serial battery command post of control of the PU12M7 grouping of combat vehicles" Strela-10 ", ZSU-23," Tunguska "," Tor ", MANPADS to combat UAVs and to work it out in this new capacity, "the interlocutor said.
      The mobile control center PU12M7 was originally designed to solve air defense missions, and to combat UAVs, it was equipped with electronic reconnaissance stations (RTR), optical-electronic reconnaissance, as well as radar. The RTR station detects and directs the control and dumping channels of a small-class UAV (for large and medium-sized UAVs, the complex works as an air defense system). RTR takes a bearing to the target, transmits target designation by bearing to the radar, then the optoelectronic system is connected using this information to obtain the exact coordinates of the UAV. "Next, an interceptor UAV is aimed at the target area. The method of its influence is the suppression of UAV control channels and information dumping," explained S. Elizarov.
      The experiments on the detection of small UAVs were carried out jointly with the Kazan company "Enix", added the source.
      Aleksey Gorodnichev, the leading engineer of the enterprise, specified that the PU12M7 means allow detecting UAVs in the near zone (about 25 km) by the radiation of onboard equipment. For example, UAVs are detected by the information component, by the operation of the GPS navigation system. "Even in the case of" closure "of the publicly available GPS signal, UAVs are still detected, since there is the signal itself," he said.

      Source: VPK.name
      1. +3
        9 October 2012 22: 25
        Russian MIG-29 shoots down Georgian drone

        Of course it is expensive and inefficient. A rocket is probably more expensive than a drone, But the fact that you can fight them is obvious
        1. snek
          0
          9 October 2012 22: 46
          The video leaves a couple of questions:
          First, why did the plane come so close to launch a rocket?
          Secondly, at 45 seconds it can be seen that the rocket was launched from the wing end. Maybe I'm wrong, but in my opinion, for a moment, missiles are not located there.
  3. +4
    9 October 2012 07: 21
    Dancing with a torch in a powder cellar like Pakistan with its nuclear arsenal will sooner or later lead to serious consequences ... sooner or later the Pakistani military will get tired of watching the constant and deliberate destruction of their fellow citizens on their own territory and then the Yankers and their long-speaking jackals and hyenas will perform Lazarus synchronic choral singing.
  4. snek
    +3
    9 October 2012 07: 44
    All that I learned for myself from this material - in addition to good (and constantly improving) military effectiveness, UAVs also have a psychological impact factor. In short - we need such a weapon.
    1. +5
      9 October 2012 09: 32
      Quote: snek
      we need such a weapon.

      Probably, first of all, we need effective means of fighting UAVs.
    2. dimanf
      +2
      9 October 2012 10: 29
      Quote: snek

      All that I learned for myself from this material - in addition to good (and constantly improving) military effectiveness, UAVs also have a psychological impact factor. In short - we need such a weapon.


      I agree.
      no need to reinvent the wheel. and adopt the Tang tactics for the Caucasus.
      1. not good
        0
        9 October 2012 10: 52
        It’s not bad for observation, but to bomb everything in your territory on your territory is idiocy.
        1. +6
          9 October 2012 11: 06
          It’s not bombed on one’s own, but in war there are always losses among civilians, and it happens that a civilian takes out AK from under the shop and shoots you in the back. Like so for example
          And ours in Chechnya shot peaceful, everyone shot, this is inevitable, so you don’t need to throw tantrums. UAVs have to do their own and develop electronic warfare equipment, and it is time to switch to contactless warfare methods as well, it’s enough to ruin the guys and now we are in the demographic pit.
  5. mar.tira
    +6
    9 October 2012 07: 44
    As far back as the year 45, the Japanese experienced the charm of the US nuclear bird. And in response, they began to make, if you remember, paper doves of the world. But the point? And then they completely became their slaves, and adhere to them in every way. Until everyone understands that it’s for the country, and they won’t act together against the Americans, it will be so. And we need to be careful in this fight and not make mistakes as in the past. It seems so far.
    1. snek
      +3
      9 October 2012 07: 50
      Quote: mar.tira
      As far back as the year 45, the Japanese experienced the charm of a US nuclear bird, and in response they began to make, if you remember, paper pigeons of the world.

      The Japanese were among the first to use aviation against the civilian population (during the war with China). So, we can say that they sowed the wind and received what they received.
      And then they completely became their slaves, and adhere to them in every way.

      At the moment, Japan is the third country in the world in terms of GDP with undeniable economic and cultural influence around the world.
      Quote: mar.tira
      Until everyone understands what kind of country this is and begin to act together against the Americans, it will be so

      Well, all countries of the world rallied and defeated the world hegemon. What's next? And then there will be a strengthening of China, which will occupy a vacant place.
      1. mar.tira
        +1
        9 October 2012 08: 53
        Quote: snek
        What's next?

        Problems must be solved as they arise!
      2. +1
        9 October 2012 12: 44
        Quote: snek
        At the moment, Japan is the third country in the world in terms of GDP with undeniable economic and cultural influence around the world.

        - about the economic impact - plus. And as for the political and especially cultural influence - if Qatar is a barking mouse because of its size and incomparably loud voice, then Japan is an economic giant and a political dwarf. There is such a combination. So it is possible to defiantly not notice their attempts to those 4 islands, their political weight allows even Medvedev not to comment on them all kinds of notes and other. Well, who is to blame for them - sitting in the cozy shade of Uncle Sam and then being embarrassed at what they are for ... uh ... well, in short, they do not reckon with them - it looks silly. Here is when your voice and opinion appears, not even coinciding with the opinion of other and especially the States, and even if it is supported by economic pressure and so on. Yes, and even by military pressure - Japan is not at all a weak country militarily, they have a good Navy, type-90 tanks are very good. But then yes, then you will listen to it willy-nilly. And so - a dwarf and a dwarf, boy, what do you get confused under your feet? Go, do not bother!
  6. +4
    9 October 2012 07: 47
    amers are constantly hammering on independent Pakistan as a result, the list of Pakistani citizens who have died at the hands of Amers is replenished. Question And so Pakistan is independent what Putin, most recently refused to go to a meeting with presidents including Pakistan, probably not in vain. There is no one to talk there. Amers hit with drones and the more they do it, the more people will hate them.
    1. Eraser
      0
      9 October 2012 09: 02
      I don’t know who is independent there, but the Taliban from the Pakistani leadership are so sure,
      "Seven Pakistani troops captured by the Taliban were beheaded in western Pakistan, Pakistani media reported on Tuesday."
      "In Pakistan, the Taliban executed three people who were allegedly American
      spies. "
      "One of them was beheaded, the second was shot in front of several thousand people. After that, shooting began in the crowd, as a result of which at least 2 more people were killed."
      "The media got hold of a video, which allegedly captured the execution of a woman by the Taliban in Pakistan. Journalists say that the execution took place in the north-east of Pakistan, in the town of Orakzai. This is the so-called tribal territories, which the government of the country has little control, and where the Taliban are strong. "
      "The Taliban executed 17 Pakistani soldiers and posted the video on the Web."
      Watch only adults with strong nerves.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFzUBUMu4_M
  7. serge
    +1
    9 October 2012 07: 55
    Happy new world.
  8. blizzard
    +2
    9 October 2012 08: 03
    Of course, in terms of the development of the military machine, they can be envied, since the life of a soldier is valued quite highly. And our leaders for some reason do not notice this price at all.
  9. +1
    9 October 2012 08: 09
    The use of drones in this format is pure water terrorism. Pakistan is already not happy with cooperation with the United States. And it’s not worth talking about Afghanistan.
    But one blow from afar cannot be defeated, but you can disturb the anthill.
  10. 0
    9 October 2012 09: 38
    the war of robots is approaching. belay
    if such birds are riveted in series and run in packs .... yes of different sizes, colors and for different purposes - how to deal with them? rockets? Kalash?
    from small arms - inefficient, missiles - expensive and can be dangerous. letting such a bird on a shaver along the street is just chic.
    1. +1
      9 October 2012 11: 15
      That’s why Americans cheapen the UAV production costs and unite them in flocks, and now imagine how several 50 000 stealth UAVs with charges fly into Russia, interrupt and land half, and the rest at that time will cover our nuclear facilities, and now we’ll find out their location easier than light, we unfortunately everything is sold and bought. In Chechnya, for the greens, candy wrappers of their own children were sold and weapons were dropped to the Chechens.
      1. snek
        +2
        9 October 2012 13: 30
        I agree with the Joker and put in my five cents: in addition to cheapness and multiplicity, we must also take into account the fact that under the acronym UAVs a huge variety of aircraft is hidden: from a huge global hock

        on which the S-300 missiles are not a pity, to micro UAVs launched from the hand

        Against which the use of anti-aircraft missiles is an analogy with a gun and sparrows. There is no and cannot be a single means of dealing with all this diversity - complex methods must be sought.
  11. patriot2
    +1
    9 October 2012 09: 45
    The reality is that Russia must have attack drones, as well as air defense systems to combat them. The future is being built today and the Terminator scenario is being brought to life, at least by the states and their allies. If nothing is done, then the fate of the country against which robotic systems are fighting is the complete destruction of people and all infrastructure.
  12. +1
    9 October 2012 10: 31
    Ideologically, systems for fighting drones were developed back in the USSR. Already then, along with the introduction of the first unmanned shock reconnaissance vehicles of the Tupolev Design Bureau, they began to analyze the possibilities of their wider use and methods of dealing with them. The conclusion was generally sad, an effective fight against drones, both in terms of combat effectiveness and financially, can only be carried out by specialized fighter drones. The problem is serious. Moreover, it was recognized that missile weapons and arming fighter drones with missiles alone are inefficient and inexpedient. Modeling showed that the most effective would be the use of rocket-cannon weapons with a caliber of guns from 20 mm, with fragmentation ammunition. By the way, somewhere in the same time, the idea of ​​a programmable delay of detonation of artillery ammunition of small caliber appeared. In general, the problem is serious, complex and solving it is not easy and expensive. But you have to.
    1. +2
      9 October 2012 11: 29
      And you need to think with your head simply, and not in one place, the Americans reduce the cost of all their technologies due to dual-use, like the example of GPS, they took the initial military project and made it cheaper due to the civilian market and the GPS chips that cost a lot of money at first now cost a penny, and so with drones, half of their filling is used in other areas and due to the large number of orders, the production technology has become cheap and the UAV is now cheaper than the missile in the S-300. Peter 1 at one time "cut through" a window to Europe and did not hesitate to take out all the technologies and cultural customs that made our army, for the only time in history, not inferior in technology and weapons to a potential enemy, in all other times we have always been inferior, but won thanks to the great generals, Suvorov, Kutuzov and the fortress of the Russian spirit. Currently, there are no commanders, and the spirit of the UAV cannot be knocked out, so the most effective option now would be to re-open the window to Europe, Putin seems to be friends with Merkel, so let him interact, Germany is now not able to be friends only with the United States, because for the Anglo- Saxons, they are nobody and they all understand this perfectly, I mean ordinary citizens, the Germans are closer to us than to others, so we need to build relationships, and in order for them to be friends with us without fear, we need to remove the 5th column and suppress corruption, because that because of her they are wary of us there.
      1. +1
        9 October 2012 11: 33
        And by the way, in the photo there’s a bird, I remember its first presentation, I looked back at 5 some years ago, but it’s already flying and bombing with might and main. The principle of work is as here. From the 2 minute, look. The bird itself is oriented in space using sensors.
        1. Dusk
          0
          9 October 2012 16: 15
          If you look closely, one of the assistants had a control panel ...
          1. 0
            9 October 2012 22: 18
            this is the first flight, the second autonomous hi
  13. PRAVDARUB
    0
    9 October 2012 11: 09
    You think why we do not have UAVs? They didn’t even start this topic because they knew that it was unreliable, but instead began to develop complexes of reb ... elementary watson! NATO air defense systems are two generations behind our systems ... NATO aviation in ten 15 years will be in stark contrast when the T50s are replaced by 6th generation fighters
    1. +2
      9 October 2012 11: 47
      Recently there were tests, with the help of electronic warfare ours we were not able to move the rocket off course fool While we are going to upgrade and train EW, the Americans will stamp so many BPA that we won’t have time to plant them, but in order to change the T-10 to the 15 generation in 50-6 years, we need to finish the T-50 generation, this is a prototype for it even the armament is not new, the F-22 Americans have already made 200 with something, and they are testing the X-47 in order to make the 6 generation fighter based on it, which will be unmanned and hypersonic. By then, God forbid 200 T-50 buy at our pace.
      You think why we do not have UAVs? They didn’t even start this topic because they knew that it was unreliable

      It’s that, with the help of electronic warfare, the unreliable UAVs of Georgians couldn’t be destroyed by us, is it strange? request And they don’t produce ours, because the electronics do not pull, there are excellent developments by our private owners, which are not inferior to the Americans in any way, only the electronics in them are almost all foreign, until we have our own UAV.
  14. snek
    0
    9 October 2012 11: 38
    Quote: TRUTH
    You think why we do not have UAVs?

    We had and have UAVs (bee, flight, etc.), but today they are very outdated.
  15. 0
    9 October 2012 12: 43
    Greetings to all.
    I have a question for members of the forum, Dear, they can’t fight UAVs
    "Carapace"? Is there really no weapon capable of successfully fighting UAVs?
    1. +1
      9 October 2012 13: 23
      I'm not an expert, of course, but it is difficult to detect UAVs with radar, they need radars similar to the Voronezh radar, the armor can do little with its radar, in Georgia the Armor did not help, the radar either captured the target, then immediately lost it, not giving visit. These are the pies. It is necessary for each tank and armored personnel carrier to install an electronic warfare system by default and build new radars and more, then all the rules will be there. In Georgia, unmanned aerial vehicles shot down fighters, and even then at a short distance, it's good that they were just reconnaissance planes, without weapons.
      1. -1
        9 October 2012 14: 31
        Quote: Joker
        I'm not an expert, of course, but it is difficult to detect UAVs with radar, they need radars similar to the Voronezh radar, the armor can do little with its radar, in Georgia the Armor did not help, the radar either captured the target, then immediately lost it, not giving visit. These are the pies. It is necessary for each tank and armored personnel carrier to install an electronic warfare system by default and build new radars and more, then all the rules will be there. In Georgia, fighter drones shot down and then at a short distance, it's good that they were just reconnaissance aircraft, without weapons

        - it turns out that the most optimal thing now is to increase both the power and the sensitivity of the radars of precisely the range in which the Pantsir type air defense systems operate. Is the ESR small in the UAV? This is just a solution. Radar type Voronezh against UAV? Well this is not serious. Very large, bulky, expensive, these radars are justified for protection against global attacks, but for protection against UAVs it is not serious.
        Alternatively, you can create an effective radar in meter ranges, but it’s like a radar the size of Voronezh. But the idea is not this, but the fact that one tiny UAV will be the carrier of one element of such a radar, in joint flight a bunch of UAVs will be a giant antenna of the PHAR type in the meter and more ranges. And an attack on such a radar will not have an effect - the loss of several UAVs will have little effect on the overall effectiveness of such a flying antenna. But for this, the UAV needs to be taught a coordinated flight, coordinated among themselves, which is a difficult task. True, the Russians have some experience in this, for example, 4 MiG-31s ​​can create a single system, or a swarm of attacking Onyxes as well -)))
        1. Alex 241
          +1
          9 October 2012 14: 37
          I think the experience of the Second World War can help here, create subdivisions of "listeners" for listening to space in the acoustic range. Thankfully, these "buzzers" fly at low altitude.
          1. +3
            9 October 2012 14: 55
            But for this, the UAV needs to be taught a coordinated flight, coordinated among themselves, which is a difficult task.

            First you need to make at least a UAV hi and we have problems with this, because the approach is like in a fable about a swan, cancer and pike. The idea is interesting of course, there is a competition in the Moscow Region for new projects, try to analyze this situation and state it. I think the project will be interesting, you can ask someone for help on the site and do a joint project, we have engineers and pilots and a bunch of military men with designers.
            create subdivisions of "listeners" for listening to space in the acoustic range. Fortunately, these "buzzers" fly at low altitude

            No, it won’t work, firstly, very sensitive microphones are needed, secondly, how will they help to direct missiles? They will only show the direction and that’s it, well, maybe the distance is still. Again, it’ll work for a predator, but the global hawk flies high, you won’t hear it, either you need to upgrade the radar in armor, or use the Great Patriotic War to steal UAV codes with the help of spies, even if you can use them to see targets and aim at them , I don’t even dream about taking control, although it would be cool to deploy all UAVs and destroy all nuclear weapons of the USA with their help laughing I hope our US Stirlitz is sitting in the US Ministry of Defense hi
            1. Alex 241
              +2
              9 October 2012 14: 58
              I meant small-sized UAVs, detect them by triangulation, and bring them down with WIGS,
            2. +1
              9 October 2012 15: 11
              Quote: Joker
              No, it won’t work, firstly, very sensitive microphones are needed, secondly, how will they help to direct missiles? They will only show the direction and that’s it, well, maybe the distance is still

              - Joker, the microphones are already sensitive enough. Just those that are used on the set of cinema, they are expensive for the ordinary person, but for defense purposes they are very inexpensive. And if you directionally make special microphones, then you can achieve good results.
              We’re fun for the sake, mosquitoes were tired of half to death, we read somewhere on the internet about how mosquitoes were cut with a laser, but they didn’t understand anything about the mosquito guidance and detection system in that system, something was infrared. And they tried to make their own. Three such microphones in the three corners of the room are tuned for sensitivity to the squeak of a mosquito, there it is elementary. And the coordinates of the mosquito were also calculated elementarily - the algorithms there are quite simple. A mosquito squeak comes to the microphones in different phases, for these phases we lay the solution to the triangulation equation - the mosquito’s coordinates are ready. The truth was never measured, with which error all this. And they didn’t finish it at all - but it seems to me that there is something in Alex’s idea. Just not on rumors from living people, but on computers with good algorithms and good sensors -))))
              1. Alex 241
                +1
                9 October 2012 15: 13
                By hearing I naturally meant equipment.
                1. +2
                  9 October 2012 15: 19
                  Ah, I realized, well, that’s also an interesting idea. good here, in fact, 3-4 minutes talked and there is a ready-made solution Yes that's why everyone is afraid of us. In this situation, you can make microphones based both in the air and on the ground, even if you put on an UAV, the main thing is that it should have a high working time. Our kind of microcircuit was made using the latest technologies; in parallel, you can create computers for signal processing.
                  1. Alex 241
                    +1
                    9 October 2012 15: 20
                    Need to patent fast laughing
                    1. 0
                      9 October 2012 15: 25
                      Laughter, laughter, but a good idea, not a sin and a patent smile an example for you to think about, an ordinary police baton in the USA has a very interesting history, it was created by our SOBR officer (if I'm not mistaken), he came up with its design and patented, the Americans liked the design and they bought from him a patent Yes I watched an interview with the developer, he said, if I knew that it would be so popular, I would sell a patent, now I would be a billionaire wink therefore, you can formalize and patent everything wink look here http://www.1000ideas.ru/?page_id=3597
                      1. Alex 241
                        0
                        9 October 2012 15: 28
                        Well, we are people of a wide soul, on our knees we can collect an atomic bomb, and how many such nuggets are all over the country ...
                      2. 0
                        9 October 2012 15: 31
                        It’s a pity that conditions are not created for nuggets sad would have long been ahead of everyone.
                      3. 0
                        9 October 2012 15: 31
                        So what, more precisely to learn about the patent? winkTo begin with, it would be nice to develop a project, by the way, I have a wife at the Constellation Concern OJSC, a design engineer laughing
                      4. Alex 241
                        0
                        9 October 2012 15: 34
                        Oleg, well, let's try, I just think this system most likely already exists. laughing
                      5. 0
                        9 October 2012 15: 37
                        Well, you need to find out, otherwise I think we are not the only ones so smart laughing let's call the project-system for detecting ultra-small objects in mid-air lol
                      6. 0
                        9 October 2012 15: 38
                        Probably a hundred bangs have already read our correspondence. Patents also ran. laughing as they say in a large family e. do not click hi
                      7. Alex 241
                        0
                        9 October 2012 15: 40
                        So they clicked, and it doesn’t matter if there was any sense. soldier
                      8. 0
                        9 October 2012 15: 40
                        There are no such patents, in general there is not a single foreign patent on the subject of detection of objects in airspace. Well, what is the boom to do?
                      9. Alex 241
                        0
                        9 October 2012 15: 41
                        Acoustic detection?
                      10. 0
                        9 October 2012 15: 47
                        Yes, I’ve also thought that in order to catch an object, we need to know its noise figure, i.e. if he plans, then we’ll catch hell, again, how do we know how the traitor is noisy and how the global hawk laughing or can you somehow calculate all this on the basis of data from microphones?
                      11. 0
                        9 October 2012 15: 49
                        No, he’s not rolling, he’ll shine on us for every bird, he won’t trample what
                      12. Alex 241
                        0
                        9 October 2012 15: 52
                        large UAVs will be lit in both IR and RADIO BAND, and for small ones, it’s easy to create a good program for target selection, like an acoustic station on submarines.
                      13. 0
                        9 October 2012 16: 20
                        see how the coordinates of the target will be determined, we need "latitude and longitude", i.e. we must have microphones in the air and on the ground, tanks and other equipment will be carriers on the ground, UAVs, planes in the air, we can also make acoustic probes, i.e. in fact, we have a network. Next, let's say the microphone on the probe heard a sound, sent a signal to the nearest microphone on the ground - from the ground to the nearest one in the air, etc. from the ground to the air - from the air to the ground, the object fell into a certain network, now we need to calculate the location of the object relative to the microphones in this network, for this each microphone carrier has a Glonass chip, then the data from the microphones is fed to the computer in a continuous stream, which, after processing the signals, issues coordinates of the target, for this you need software that will combine the networks into chains. In general, I schematically depicted in the picture laughingThe picture is clickable laughing
                      14. Alex 241
                        0
                        9 October 2012 16: 35
                        It can be simpler, three stations scan the space; upon detection of a target, the intersection point of bearings determines the spatial coordinates of the target.
                      15. 0
                        9 October 2012 16: 40
                        Could be so Yes there are always enough ideas.
                      16. Alex 241
                        0
                        9 October 2012 16: 44
                        I think someone will develop our idea and translate it into metal laughing
                      17. 0
                        9 October 2012 16: 50
                        God forbid, I will be glad to talk hi but it seems to me that ours will not be messing with this, it’s easier to upgrade the radar.
                      18. Alex 241
                        0
                        9 October 2012 16: 52
                        Well, it's a long time.
                      19. 0
                        9 October 2012 16: 55
                        with acoustics it’s more difficult, we need microphones, PCs, software, and with electronics we have a hard time unfortunately.
                      20. Alex 241
                        0
                        9 October 2012 16: 58
                        There is a hurt: sonar stations in submarines.
                      21. 0
                        9 October 2012 17: 18
                        There are very few of them, and in order to reduce the cost of technology, large orders are needed and it would be good to give part to the civil industry so that there are more purchases.
                      22. Alex 241
                        0
                        9 October 2012 17: 20
                        Unfortunately, nothing depends on us here.
                      23. -1
                        9 October 2012 20: 48
                        Quote: Joker
                        There are very few of them, and in order to reduce the cost of technology, large orders are needed and it would be good to give part to the civil industry so that there are more purchases.
                        - well, scare the population with drones (I absolutely do not like the very fact of the appearance of such a phenomenon as life under drones) and then show the potential of "drone detectors". Promotion in the market will already give the number of orders required to reduce the price.
                      24. 0
                        9 October 2012 20: 22
                        Quote: Joker
                        There are no such patents, in general there is not a single foreign patent on the subject of detection of objects in airspace. Well, what is the boom to do?
                        - The Swiss have an analogue, just recently appeared. But not for detecting air targets, but for detecting snipers. Three sensors in a triangle are placed either on three UAVs hovering and inside this triangle no sniper will fire with impunity. Again - sensitivity needs to be resonantly tuned to a certain type of rifle. Well, who doubts that there the setting is already configured for exhaust SVD probably -)))).
                        As for the patent - it seems to me that patents are not issued for ideas of such a general plan. Something needs to be done more specifically.
                        In general, I would like this: so that no drones fly overhead - neither enemy drones, nor their own antidrons. Well, if you do not shoot down, then discover that you would know -))). It’s actually a constitutional right to know who is watching you, especially when flying overhead and using sophisticated equipment. Those. In addition to efficiency, a detector should also be affordable, at least well-off people. So you and your friends and girls left for a picnic - barbecue, beer, fun. A little later, purely human affairs begin, I want solitude with the girl I liked, and then the drones fly. Or your dear antidrons. NOT TOPIC. It is necessary to come up with ground-based effective detection of drones and somehow prohibit flying drones in peacetime. It is clear that in the counterterrorism operation mode and in wartime, other laws - in peacetime, all drones should be prohibited, and peaceful drones flights from foresters, rangers and others - should also be somehow regulated.
                      25. Alex 241
                        0
                        9 October 2012 20: 25
                        Excellent summed up!
                      26. 0
                        9 October 2012 17: 55
                        Any drone is optics. The laser burns out easily. Why do you think the laser pointers were forbidden to import)). Soldiers buy up to fight UAVs
                      27. Alex 241
                        0
                        9 October 2012 18: 20
                        in more detail, do you have an idea about the laser?
                      28. +1
                        9 October 2012 18: 36
                        Dear hilarion, all this is nonsense, pointers were imported from China at that time, the USA had nothing to do with it, demand just fell, everyone had played enough with them, and in half an hour I’ll find you where you can buy a laser pointer wink
                      29. +1
                        9 October 2012 18: 39
                        Chet half an hour too much, three minutes http://www.nadolaser.ru/ http://www.lazershop.ru/ Do not consider it for advertising, but there are no problems with them at all!
                      30. Alex 241
                        0
                        9 October 2012 18: 39
                        True to the laser, it has a very distant relationship.
  16. 0
    9 October 2012 12: 55
    An unexpected consequence of the use of drones! Moreover, the investigation is not at all military, but in the social sphere! I think amers themselves have recently discovered this phenomenon and will be happy to use it, for example, for the active atomization of the population. Atomization - in the sense of not turning every chela into a nuclear bomb, but in the sense of turning any state into a "set of atoms not connected in any way between the two," then no consolidated resistance can be expected from this state. Well, here is Professor, Pimpled, Aaron, when I poked them at the expense of the high level of military exports, they actively emphasized in response that they still have weapons of a noble nature, the nature of defense against attack. Well, there is Trophy, an iron dome.
    I think that Russia also needs to start creating such a noble weapon - third countries will also thank us, for which they would like to thank Professor, Pupyrchaty and Aaron. -)))). But to hope that the Jews will do this - there is no permission from Uncle Sam - there is no anti-UAV! And it won't. Only the Russians can really do it here. But we have lagged behind in this matter, we need to catch up. As I understand it, even conscientious analysts considered the prospects for UAVs and were strategically mistaken, having come to the conclusion that the UAVs will not receive development. Well, the performers are still alive, they are retiring, it is desirable to pull up for mistakes. For the edification of today's analysts, you cannot be wrong. And "the one who does nothing is not mistaken!" - this is for civilians, it doesn't work here. You still tell this justifying saying to sappers.
  17. Alex 241
    0
    9 October 2012 13: 13
    I would like to clarify which drones are in question? Apparently, there are drums, such as Predator or GLOBAL HOCK.
  18. PRAVDARUB
    +1
    9 October 2012 15: 36
    UAV is an excellent thing in the form of a target for training fights !!!
  19. wax
    0
    9 October 2012 17: 01
    In fact, the use of drones over the territory of other states is an act of aggression. The UN should ban their use in this way. Something under the guise of the fight against terrorism has grown an unprecedented monster - the terrorism of states with high technology. And this is the path to the dronization of the entire planet. Together with the information monopoly - universal slavery is coming.
    1. 0
      9 October 2012 20: 28
      Quote: Wax
      In fact, the use of drones over the territory of other states is an act of aggression. The UN should ban their use in this way. Something under the guise of the fight against terrorism has grown an unprecedented monster - the terrorism of states with high technology. And this is the path to the dronization of the entire planet. Together with the information monopoly - universal slavery is coming.
      - I'm just about to talk about it, post above. A plus. It's just that we did not limit ourselves to the desire to prohibit, but reached a specific discussion on how they can be detected, or even overwhelmed if the "drone owner" turns out to be insane.
  20. revenge007
    0
    9 October 2012 23: 53
    Smirnov!
    The fact that you are scum and a scoundrel I guessed for a long time. But I did not know that you are also CHEAPER!
    You yourself post articles against the CIS countries, you set people against each other. I started greyhound mongrels on the website like izi, oleg 0705 and the evil Tatar. When you have to let go of honest people. Esaul you are a political dandy, you’ve even served as a bloodhound and you’re snitching and snitching. I’m working on someone. Fucking. You beg for a position, Yesaul, you’re not even a centurion, you are a shit of a dog, you are like an Ace in the gateway, someday they will tear it, bastard.
    Smirnov! You don’t set the peoples of the USSR against each other. If you need a site rating, I’ll make it that way for you to shit until the end of your days.
    The fact that you are trash, I know for a long time. I know about how they suggested that you press the men, you can tell the men who and how much they pay you. Tell me about that. how did you put the site up for sale.
    You just have a tear and enough strength to shut up the mouths of peasants, and you, rather than a peasant, can respond weakly. Soon the whole of Izhevsk. all Udmurtia and all Russia will say what kind of a son you are!
    Remember me and think who you are, Threat and who I am !!!
    DOLBAEB !!!. You, not the admin.
    And remember my word, I’ll declare such a war to you that it won’t seem enough to you !!!
    If I had my will, I would have broken the roof for you, PIZDYUK and PROSTITUK !!!
    And now, after all these accusations,
    And you guys, I would advise you to spit and leave the site.
  21. Konrad
    0
    10 October 2012 21: 11
    "Hundreds of thousands of people on our planet are already staring at the sky with horror, awaiting the arrival of the winged death of democracy." Let them go to the psychiatrist, the good doctor will help!
  22. 0
    11 October 2012 07: 28
    Quote: Alex 241

    large UAVs will be lit in both IR and RADIO BAND, and for small ones, just create a good program for target selection, like an acoustic station on submarines

    and combine it with something like "shilka"!
  23. 0
    26 October 2012 12: 00
    Normal people do not know all the crimes of amers. Link interesting, it indicates the number of casualties from American drones, only in one country where military operations are not conducted. This is Pakistan.

    Jan. '09 -Dec. 'eleven
    Total strikes: 259 Total Killed: 1932 Minimum Civilians Killed: 297-569 + Minimum Children Killed: 64 + Minimum Total Injured: 90
    1

    This report says that from January 2009 to December 2011, in the territory where there is no war, nearly 2 thousand people were killed due to the use of drones (of which more than 64 children

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