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New dates for the return of the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" to the combat fleet have been announced

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"Admiral Kuznetsov" in the dry dock of the 35th shipyard in Murmansk



Terms of transfer of the Russian heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" to the combat strength fleet are moving again. According to a source in the military-industrial complex, in the course of the work carried out on the ship, previously undetected defects were revealed.

TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov", undergoing overhaul and modernization at the 35th shipyard in Murmansk, will return to combat strength no earlier than 2024. The previously named deadlines for the transfer of the ship to the customer in 2023 had to be shifted, since during the work on the cruiser many defects that were not previously discovered were revealed. Their correction led to a shift in terms to the right for several more months.

The transfer to the fleet of the cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" after modernization and all subsequent state tests will take place no earlier than in 2024

- leads TASS source words.

Note that the information is unofficial, no confirmation from USC has been received. The latest official data announced by the corporation indicate that the Admiral Kuznetsov will be handed over to the military in 2023.

Currently, the cruiser is in dry dock on the territory of the 35th Shipyard in Murmansk, where it was brought on May 20, 2022. As previously reported, work in the dock with the ship must be completed by September, and the cruiser itself must be taken out of the dock before freezing, otherwise the continuation of work will be postponed to 2023. At the same time, ship repairers say that all work on the cruiser is going according to plan.

Last year, the American magazine The National Interest called the Russian aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov the most "unlucky ship" in the Russian fleet.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 8 June 2022 08: 51
    +9
    Poor "Kuzya"! What am I for Aviki, but even then, won’t it be enough to torment him?
    1. gansales
      gansales 8 June 2022 08: 55
      +13
      You don’t need to call the deadlines .. If you really upgrade, then to the fullest!
      I personally believe in "Kuzya", it will still show itself, a beautiful cruiser, the main hull, and everyone else will be stuffed to the fullest ..
      You can kick, but I'm for "Kuzya" hi
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 8 June 2022 09: 07
        +6
        Quote from gansales
        You can kick, but I'm for "Kuzya"

        Why kick, shake hands! drinks
        But I'm starting to think that it's time to transfer it to training, and not ruin the funds for equipping it with a full set of warship.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 8 June 2022 10: 15
          +28
          It seems to me that the matter is not so much in the ship as in the hands that are repairing it.
          And in the minds of leaders. The ship was docked a long time ago. When will the batoport be installed?
          I came across stories from those who served on the cruiser that due to weather conditions on
          North, condensate was constantly accumulating in the hull. 1,5 meters in holds throughout
          length. The fact that the ship was not followed properly, I can understand. Those were then
          us times. But when the repairmen, a year before the delivery of the ship, discover "earlier
          undetected defects", I want to know the name of the person who allowed this and punish him.
          If the hull is not worn out, the ship can be put in order. But gotta do it
          in an adult way. Don't save where you don't need to.
          One story, with the replacement of half of the boilers, which is worth it. Then they decided:
          change all the boilers, but missed the moment when it was possible to transfer the cruiser to
          diesel fuel. He remained now on fuel oil.
          A workable, aircraft-carrying cruiser is an expensive pleasure. Otherwise it will be
          just wasted money.
          As for the training: too high cost of ownership. Or a warship
          or on needles. hi
          1. NIKN
            NIKN 8 June 2022 11: 22
            +6
            Quote: Alex777
            It seems to me that the matter is not so much in the ship as in the hands that are repairing it.

            You know, this is the first thing that comes to mind.
            in the course of the work carried out on the ship, previously undetected defects were revealed.
            This speaks of complete lack of professionalism. How was the estimate and repair plan drawn up, was it taken out of thin air and added to kickbacks? Apparently, there were few kickbacks, so previously not sawn problems were discovered.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 8 June 2022 13: 30
              +4
              Quote: NIKNN
              This speaks of complete lack of professionalism. How was the estimate and repair plan drawn up, was it taken out of thin air and added to kickbacks? Apparently, there were few kickbacks, so previously not sawn problems were discovered.

              Or the Hindu version was repeated - the customer squinted optimized the budget, so the initial defective statement was compiled taking into account the wishes of the customer. And now we decided to do it in full - all the same, the initial estimate would not be observed, since we would have to eliminate the consequences of an unplanned exit from the dock.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 8 June 2022 13: 44
                +4
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Or the Hindu version was repeated - the customer shrugged and optimized the budget

                So it was.

                Quote: Alexey RA
                And now they decided to do it in full - anyway, the original estimate cannot be observed

                God forbid that the tragedy with "Moscow" showed the financiers
                that the ship cannot be "partially" or "somehow" repaired.
                I hope that the postponement will allow everything to be done as it should. hi
                1. Siberian54
                  Siberian54 9 June 2022 14: 16
                  +2
                  It is quite possible that "Moscow" pushed for a more complete repair.
          2. Taimen
            Taimen 8 June 2022 11: 22
            +3
            If they can’t fault the product, then either there are no personnel or negligence or sabotage. We don’t talk about the rest. When there will be responsibility for such cases. You can’t constantly forgive such things.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 8 June 2022 13: 01
              +5
              It seems to me that if you scratch well, the ears of "effective financiers"
              will definitely appear in this story. What can't help but upset...
              Some underestimated the amount in order for the project to take place at all and are now winning back
              their own back, others set obviously impracticable limits of financing.
              So everything turns out as always: everyone did well, but the delivery of the ship was postponed. hi
          3. Frost
            Frost 8 June 2022 11: 44
            +9
            Quote: Alex777
            The ship was docked a long time ago. When will the batoport be installed?

            While they are implementing an ersatz version of a dry dock with a temporary jumper, after docking the cruiser, as it should be according to the project, they will do it with a batoport (hydraulic seal). Batoport is being built at Sevmash. The batoport needs to be towed from Severodvinsk to the Kola Bay. At the moment, the bulkhead will be restored, then they will begin pumping out water and accurately landing the heavy cruiser on the crate of the set. Of the minuses - double work with a jumper, but for docking a ship, you do not have to wait for the completion of construction. With this option, you can win a year and a half.
            In addition to the main batoport, according to the project, there will be an intermediate gate along the length of the dock for the possibility of docking sets of ships of smaller lengths with different docking periods + construction of a new pumping station in the northern abutment of the reconstructed dry dock and installation of crane tracks with a gauge of 10,5 m on the walls of the reconstructed dry dock for portal cranes with a capacity of 50 and 100 tons.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 8 June 2022 12: 24
              +5
              Thank you colleague for the comprehensive answer!
          4. stankow
            stankow 8 June 2022 13: 06
            +1
            One and a half meters? Condensate?! Oh well. smile
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 8 June 2022 14: 00
              +2
              https://topwar.ru/103156-gordost-i-gorech-vmf-rf.html
              https://igor113.livejournal.com/27473.html
          5. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 8 June 2022 13: 24
            +5
            Quote: Alex777
            The ship was docked a long time ago. When will the batoport be installed?

            Batoport will not be installed this year - Sevmash will according to plan will be handed over only within a year, and installation is scheduled for mid-2023.
            Instead of a batoport, a temporary jumper will be installed before the dock is drained. And, judging by the photo, it is already half set.
          6. Revolver
            Revolver 8 June 2022 18: 29
            +1
            Quote: Alex777
            due to weather conditions in the North, condensate constantly accumulated in the hull. 1,5 meters in holds along the entire length.

            So it's not in vain that both American and British aircraft carriers are spending more and more time in warm seas. Kuznetsov right now would be in the Black Sea Fleet, but I don’t believe that he wouldn’t be useful there. There it should be after repair. Moreover, if native Nikolaev is released, there will be where to repair it, if anything. Or at the Pacific Fleet, so that it is not based in Vladivostok, but somewhere to the south. Well, for example, to remove Cam Ranh from Vietnam, if not the entire base, then at least a piece. It is possible, of course, to the Mediterranean, but the base in Tartus is frankly shallow, it will be long and expensive to expand and deepen it, so much so that the question "is it necessary?"
            In such conditions, he will still raise for some time. Maybe not even useless.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 8 June 2022 21: 00
              +2
              Quote: Nagan
              if native Nikolaev is released, there will be where to repair it, if anything.

              After the release of Nikolaev, it will take more than one year to restore the CVD. Or do you think dill will leave us something whole? Therefore, it will apparently have to be repaired at Sevmash. And it will be calmer from sabotage. yes
          7. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 8 June 2022 20: 02
            +3
            Quote: Alex777
            As for the training: too high cost of ownership. Or a warship, or on pins and needles.
            Namesake, hi
            1. TAVKR will remain in the Federation Council. This is the only group-based aircraft carrier. especially - carrier-based aircraft.
            2. There is no doubt that it will be used as a "training base" for the training of carrier-based aviation flight personnel. But this does not exclude its combat use if necessary. Can someone explain to me the PRINCIPAL difference between "training" and "combat" airfields? I don't mean training classes (Flight Training Classes) but CONCRETE? taxiing, parking ...-- how they fundamentally differ from them !?
            3. It's time for our air bosses and naval commanders to take care of a new aircraft for the air regiment (100 and 279). But so far they have been silent about it. Maybe they are waiting for the Su-75, or some other thread of super-duper winged crap that has no analogues in the world and the surrounding area.
            I'm afraid time will pass, and the new LA, as usual (a spoon for dinner!) Will not appear on time. (And again the old woman will sit with nothing. am ) Judging by the creeping "counter-revolution" in the USC, everything will work out that way.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 8 June 2022 23: 08
              +2
              Quote: BoA KAA
              Quote: Alex777
              As for the training: too high cost of ownership. Or a warship, or on pins and needles.

              Namesake, hi

              drinks

              Quote: BoA KAA
              1. TAVKR will remain in the Federation Council. This is the only group-based aircraft carrier. especially - carrier-based aircraft.

              Of course. We need an aircraft carrier suitable for combat
              operation and technical condition. And not alone.

              Quote: BoA KAA
              2. There is no doubt that it will be used as a "training base" for the training of carrier-based aviation flight personnel. But this does not exclude its combat use if necessary.

              Of course they will use for study. Like any other combat
              ship in peacetime. But it must be a warship.

              Quote: BoA KAA
              3. It's time for our air bosses and naval commanders to take care of a new aircraft for the air regiment (100 and 279).

              And here I can not disagree with you. Available aircraft, better than
              nothing, but already hopelessly inferior to the US novelties.

              Quote: BoA KAA
              Judging by the creeping "counter-revolution" in the USC, everything will work out that way.

              And I think about it. All my hope is that VVP Rakhmanov
              the order was given for a reason. I hope I don't know something good and important. hi
        2. gansales
          gansales 8 June 2022 12: 09
          -3
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Why kick, shake hands!

          Thanks for support .. hi drinks
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          But I'm starting to think that it's time to transfer it to training, and not ruin the funds for equipping it with a full set of warship.

          Well, maybe even so (I'm not an expert), but he should be in the ranks of the Russian Navy! To spite all the scoffers and whiners soldier
          Beautiful cruiser!
          1. Galleon
            Galleon 8 June 2022 19: 56
            +1
            Quote from gansales
            To spite all the scoffers and whiners

            It is necessary not "in spite" of someone, but for the benefit of the country.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 8 June 2022 09: 08
        +2
        Quote from gansales
        If we are to modernize, then to the fullest!

        I just remembered the statement of a military sailor on the topic of aging warships.
        Modernizing a ship that has served up to 20 years is EXPENSIVE and makes it a combat unit nothing more than an auxiliary one! If the ship has served longer, it can only become a training unit.
        Everything is getting old, you should not try on a new saddle on an aged horse ...
        It will be like a naval aviation training ship, and then until such time as take-off decks of this type are used.
        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 8 June 2022 10: 39
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          It will be like a naval aviation training ship, and then until such time as take-off decks of this type are used.

          The other day, an article appeared here about the release of drones for the Navy.
          There, why not adapt them, anti-submarine helicopters and several attack aircraft on the Kuznetsov?
          In my opinion, it will be a good functional aircraft carrier that can accompany our squadrons on campaigns and be useful.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 8 June 2022 10: 45
            +5
            It will benefit to the extent that is available for objective reasons.
            No THREADS and other simulators will replace training on a real, operating combat training ship.
        2. Letun
          Letun 8 June 2022 11: 40
          +4
          Quote: rocket757
          It will be like a naval aviation training ship, and then until such time as take-off decks of this type are used.

          If it is training, then what other will pilots be trained on? Where else do we have decks of this type?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 8 June 2022 11: 56
            +1
            When another type is designed and put into production, then they will begin to teach.
            Maybe immediately the transition will be to a vertical take-off ... what to guess, we'll see if we wait for this.
        3. gansales
          gansales 8 June 2022 12: 14
          -1
          Quote: rocket757
          I just remembered the statement of a military sailor on the topic of aging warships.
          Modernizing a ship that has served up to 20 years is EXPENSIVE and makes it a combat unit nothing more than an auxiliary one! If the ship has served longer, it can only become a training unit.
          Everything is getting old, you should not try on a new saddle on an aged horse ...
          It will be like a naval aviation training ship, and then until such time as take-off decks of this type are used.

          It was built during the Soviet era and the strength and reliability of the hull were strictly adhered to there .. Now the new ones are shiny. But you know yourself .. like everything else (the guarantee is low) ..
        4. Kelevra
          Kelevra 8 June 2022 12: 40
          +1
          "unit" belay
        5. Kelevra
          Kelevra 8 June 2022 12: 41
          0
          "unit" belay
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 8 June 2022 13: 51
            +4
            I agree, grammar and calligraphy are not my forte.
        6. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 8 June 2022 13: 33
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          Modernizing a ship that has served up to 20 years is EXPENSIVE and makes it a combat unit nothing more than an auxiliary one! If the ship has served longer, it can only become a training unit.

          Midway and other flat deckers look at this statement with bewilderment. smile
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 8 June 2022 13: 57
            -1
            What is the question then?
            A warship is a whole complex of everything and a lot that must work in conjunction and effectively.
            Modernization of old ships does not make them much better, they do not reach the level of new ships of the same class in MOST PARAMETERS.
            This is not mine, what I read about, then I passed it on.
            Everything is relative.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 8 June 2022 14: 26
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              Modernization of old ships does not make them much better, they do not reach the level of new ships of the same class in MOST PARAMETERS.

              It all depends on the development of technology during the period of service. The same "Tikis" have already been serving for 30 years, and they still have 15 years to go. But they cannot be called obsolete or inferior.
              However, even the same "Midway", having started service as a typical flat-deck with one runway and with piston "Corsairs" and "Skyraders", completed its service with a corner deck and "Hornets". Only "Tomcats" did not fit on it - and only for permanent basing, since they could take off and land on "Midway" (which was confirmed by "Coral Sea", moonlighting as a training deck in the 80s).
              And the Forrestals and Kitty Hawks remained among the first-line ABs for 35-40 years (Kitty Hawk generally served 48 years), not inferior to their later built counterparts.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 8 June 2022 15: 00
                -1
                The question is about a specific type of ships, in which progress is not so serious, fundamentally changed!
                In general, in terms of ships ... when dreadnoughts appeared, all armadillos somehow immediately became outdated and could not seriously compete with them.
                When missile carriers appeared, artillery ships began to recede into the background and could not compete with them ... not immediately, but quickly enough.
                We have one aircraft carrier ship, it will not be able to maintain a reputation as, even, a mini AUG, no matter how you upgrade it.
                Those. even new technologies that have not been mastered by us cannot be tested on it ... except perhaps vertical takeoff and landing aircraft.
                As a training ... I believe it is needed. As a combat one ... a very dubious value, precisely because our opponents have this part of the fleet's forces much larger and better.
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 8 June 2022 15: 31
                  +4
                  Quote: rocket757
                  The question is about a specific type of ships, in which progress is not so serious, fundamentally changed!

                  Well, here is a specific type - an aircraft carrier.
                  AB with KTU served in the USA for 35-40 years, and in the first line. So 20 years for a ship of this class is nothing.
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Those. even new technologies that have not been mastered by us cannot be tested on it ... except perhaps vertical takeoff and landing aircraft.

                  What new, untapped technologies does AB have?
                  And in general, the founder of the AB recently put into operation two ABs with a displacement almost the same as the Forrestal, but without catapults, without AWACS aircraft and with an air group like that of Kuznetsov. smile
                  Quote: rocket757
                  As a combat one ... a very dubious value, precisely because our opponents have this part of the fleet's forces much larger and better.

                  So 11435 is a floating airfield for air defense forces of ship groups in a 400-mile zone. Its task is to quickly reinforce the forces on duty and, ideally, pin down the enemy strike group before reinforcements arrive from the coast.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 8 June 2022 16: 05
                    0
                    We land with the naval to argue, on a topic far from us, only to waste time in vain.
                    At least I have been on ships, worked ... on different ones, but there is a land one.
                    And the naval ones have a true, time-tested motto, ta ta ta ... but I won’t disgrace the fleet!
                    The rule that is the same for everyone is that the old, modernized equipment will not be the same in terms of efficiency as the new one, especially when the time for its development / release is much earlier.
                    It’s the same in the fleet, only the deadlines for obsolescence are different, because objects are designed, built and operated much longer!
                    But, the principle is the same for everyone, and no matter how we argue, nothing will change from this.
              2. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 8 June 2022 15: 05
                +1
                Quote: Alexey RA
                The same "Tiki" has already served for 30 years, and they still have 15 years to walk

                The first ones have already been written off for wear and tear, and continue to write off.
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 8 June 2022 15: 20
                  +3
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  The first ones have already been written off for wear and tear, and continue to write off.

                  I don’t take the first ones - there are two-beam launchers, which are unprofitable to change to UVP in the presence of serial Burks.
                  But the "Tiki" of the second half of the series, handed over to the fleet in the first half of the 90s, will serve until the mid-40s.
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 8 June 2022 15: 23
                    0
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    I don’t take the first ones - there are two-beam launchers

                    Oh yes. hi
        7. Revolver
          Revolver 8 June 2022 18: 43
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          It will be like a naval aviation training ship

          If he can launch and receive combat aircraft, then, if necessary, real bombs and missiles can be hung from them instead of weight-size models. Even if it will be listed as educational.
          And if he can’t, then why is it needed, even as a training one?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 9 June 2022 08: 43
            0
            Combat training ... this is also practiced, if necessary.
            And so, we have nothing else ... there will be others or not, I don’t know, I don’t want to guess.
      3. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 8 June 2022 09: 25
        +4
        I agree. Let it come out of repair even in 2025, but for the modernization to take place in full.
        1. gansales
          gansales 8 June 2022 12: 19
          -4
          Quote: TermNachTER
          I agree. Let it come out of repair even in 2025, but for the modernization to take place in full.

          A sort of not only aircraft carrier, but stuffed with air defense-missile defense - electronic warfare to the full. The design allows !!!!
          "Kuzya" We are waiting for you again in the Black Sea, where you were literally stolen from the Ukronazis who would have sold you for metal, etc.
          You must appear in the harbor where you were created by the entire Soviet Union .. Proudly standing guard over the entire Black Sea !!!!
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 8 June 2022 12: 21
            +1
            I think that the removal of "granites" will free up enough space and weight, and the REO needs to be updated as well as the DB air defense systems. No need to rush - you need to do well.
          2. Genry
            Genry 8 June 2022 12: 59
            +1
            Quote from gansales
            not only an aircraft carrier, but stuffed with air defense-missile defense - electronic warfare in full. The design allows

            Air defense / missile defense should be on escort ships.
            Kuzi already has a small tonnage, so the entire volume must be oriented towards aviation.
            1. gansales
              gansales 8 June 2022 13: 20
              -3
              Quote: Genry
              Quote from gansales
              not only an aircraft carrier, but stuffed with air defense-missile defense - electronic warfare in full. The design allows

              Air defense / missile defense should be on escort ships.
              Kuzi already has a small tonnage, so the entire volume must be oriented towards aviation.

              Specials will find the "golden" mean ..!!!
      4. serg.shishkov2015
        serg.shishkov2015 8 June 2022 09: 25
        -2
        It is a pity that only one plus can be put! although THIS reason for the deadline shift is valid for me! previously unnoticed dekhvets were found, so there are opportunities to fix them too!
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 8 June 2022 21: 55
          +2
          Quote: serg.shishkov2015
          previously unnoticed dekhvets were found, so there are opportunities to fix them too!

          This is true. But I would like to ask, knitting my eyebrows: - And who used to carry out the DEFECTATION? And why didn't he notice these defects? And if you noticed, then why didn’t they end up in the defect list? BUT ??? am
          And of course, CONCLUSIONS must be done, and not expressed regret.
          IMHO.
          1. serg.shishkov2015
            serg.shishkov2015 9 June 2022 05: 43
            +1
            You are absolutely right! This is the combat capability of our army! And this is the people's money!
      5. Torin
        Torin 8 June 2022 09: 40
        +2
        Let's hope that "Kuzya" will be modernized and returned back to the fleet, and not like the story with the Project 1144 cruisers: Kirov and Lazarev. Which were put under modernization and as a result stand in sumps and are waiting for disposal. Or, for example, TAKR project 1143.3 Novorossiysk and Minsk, which were also sold for scrap.
      6. alexmach
        alexmach 8 June 2022 11: 56
        +2
        And for everyone else, for example, what is it?
        New diesel boilers, as it were, have not been stuffed and will not be stuffed.
        The Kuznetsov Air Group is rapidly becoming obsolete.
        With AWACS full seams.
        We don’t talk about any fantasy like installing a catapult at all.
      7. Wbond
        Wbond 9 June 2022 21: 31
        0
        ... the main thing is to finish the job ... a year there - a year here ... a lot of work ...
    2. white fall
      white fall 8 June 2022 08: 56
      +8
      Kuzya is a child of the collapse of the union. There have been a lot of jambs since the commissioning - I don’t know if this is sabotage or just bungling, but there is a lot of business with Kuzey
      1. Letun
        Letun 8 June 2022 11: 42
        -2
        Quote from Whitefall
        There have been a lot of jambs since the commissioning - I don’t know if this is sabotage or just bungling

        This is a lack of experience in the construction and operation of such vessels.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 8 June 2022 13: 34
          +2
          Quote: Letun
          This is a lack of experience in the construction and operation of such vessels.

          Ahem ... actually, for Nikolaev, "Kuznetsov" was already the fifth aircraft carrier.
          1. Letun
            Letun 8 June 2022 14: 51
            0
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Quote: Letun
            This is a lack of experience in the construction and operation of such vessels.

            Ahem ... actually, for Nikolaev, "Kuznetsov" was already the fifth aircraft carrier.

            Was there even one successful one? Can these aircraft-carrying cruisers with the Yak-38 be called a successful experience? Or the same Kuznitsov, who "thanks" to the Motner Convention also turned out neither fish nor fowl ... It is still a mystery to me how you can talk about all these aircraft carriers without creating an AWACS aircraft for them. These helicopters with radars, well, this is just a target for ridicule of Western countries ...
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 8 June 2022 15: 12
              0
              Quote: Letun
              Was there even one successful one? Can these aircraft-carrying cruisers with the Yak-38 be called a successful experience?

              For a factory, yes. On them, Nikolaev acquired the construction of large ships with a mixed type of weapons.
              It was all about lack of experience. in construction.
              Quote: Letun
              Or the same Kuznitsov, who "thanks" to the Motnre convention also turned out neither fish nor meat ...

              And what does the Montreux Convention have to do with the requirements of the General Staff and personally comrades Install and Amelko?
              This is what the fifth building of project 1143 was supposed to be originally:

              And then Ustinov directively demanded to continue feeding the Yakovlev Design Bureau, replacing the air group with the Yak-141, and Amelko nailed the already finished catapult and all further work on it. If it weren’t for the decision on the short takeoff of the Yak-141, which required the installation of a springboard, after the appearance of which it was also possible to ensure the takeoff from the deck of the Su and MiG, then the Kuznetsov in the 90s would have been left without an air group at all and would most likely have been decommissioned.
              1. Letun
                Letun 8 June 2022 15: 18
                -1
                Quote: Alexey RA
                For a factory, yes. On them, Nikolaev acquired the construction of large ships with a mixed type of weapons.

                He certainly gained experience. Unfortunately, it's not positive. But those are trifles.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                This is what the fifth building of project 1143 was supposed to be originally:

                Nice picture good
                It is a pity that now we will never know what would have happened in the metal.
            2. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 8 June 2022 22: 07
              +1
              Quote: Letun
              how can one talk about all these aircraft carriers without creating an AWACS aircraft for them.

              But UAV AWACS will not suit you? But such an option is quite possible. Don't find?
              1. Letun
                Letun 9 June 2022 08: 07
                0
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                But UAV AWACS will not suit you? But such an option is quite possible. Don't find?

                Do they exist? Or is it another "let's dream"? ..
    3. Corrosion inhibitor
      Corrosion inhibitor 8 June 2022 11: 37
      +2
      At the same time, someone out there who constantly stated that the aircraft-carrying cruiser would go out of repair according to plan did not even show any concern about the flooding of the PD-50 floating dock and about the fire with the fall of metal structures on the deck and about everything else too . We are going strictly according to plan - such were the statements. And the deadlines kept moving and moving ...
      I don’t understand one thing - what was it, THERE WAS SUCH A PLAN, to ruin the only aircraft carrier, and if it doesn’t work out, then spoil it as much as possible ???
      Or is it about another plan? Maybe he was too picky? Maybe they still smoke it at USC? ... The question is open, as well as about the next dates, too ...
    4. Snegovok
      Snegovok 8 June 2022 13: 52
      -3
      That's for sure, a non-aircraft carrier, more problems than good, write off and forget like a bad dream.
    5. Subtext
      Subtext 8 June 2022 14: 32
      -2
      I note that the fashionable word "NEWEST" (as we like to say about planes, tanks, etc.) is not used. So, for new dates, we are waiting for the latest ... :o(
  2. Flooding
    Flooding 8 June 2022 08: 51
    +7
    The dates for the transfer of the Russian heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" to the combat composition of the fleet are again shifted


    Is there anyone who would be surprised by this news?
    Alas, military shipbuilding has long ceased to spoil us with good news.
  3. ZeeD
    ZeeD 8 June 2022 08: 56
    +6
    And constantly something "not previously discovered" is opened ... Whoever carried out the troubleshooting - it's necessary for the count.
    1. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 8 June 2022 10: 09
      +1
      They've probably already gone up.
  4. Nafanya from the sofa
    Nafanya from the sofa 8 June 2022 08: 57
    +1
    “There are three things that you can look at forever: burning fire, flowing water and ̶s̶i̶ya̶yu̶sch̶e̶e̶ ̶z̶v̶e̶z̶d̶n̶o̶e̶ ̶n̶e̶b̶o̶” repair of “Admiral Kuznetsov

    Unfortunately. crying
  5. Vitaly.17
    Vitaly.17 8 June 2022 08: 58
    0
    If they find defects and are not afraid to move the deadlines in such a difficult period, there is hope that this time everything will be done with high quality.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 8 June 2022 22: 23
      +1
      Quote: Vitaly.17
      If they find defects and are not afraid to move the deadlines in such a difficult period, there is hope that this time everything will be done with high quality.

      Everyone pretends or really does not understand that the deadlines are being postponed for reasons ... lack of money. Because of the SVO, as it is not difficult to guess. Or do you think that every day CBO brings us profit? And the end of the operation is not yet in sight ... If the military will take power in 404, then maybe we will come to a common denominator. And with a fallopianist - it will not work.
      1. Vitaly.17
        Vitaly.17 8 June 2022 23: 53
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        deadlines are postponed for reasons ... lack of money.

        You forget that Russia needs rubles for its military projects, not dollars. In addition, the SVO in terms of its costs does not go much beyond the costs of conventional combat training.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 9 June 2022 02: 02
          0
          Quote: Vitaly.17
          SVO in terms of its costs does not go much beyond the costs of conventional combat training.

          During combat training, fighters do not die and arms and military equipment is not destroyed. In addition, the consumption of rocket weapons is colossal.
          So, a lot is compensated from the budget of the Moscow Region ...
          1. Vitaly.17
            Vitaly.17 9 June 2022 02: 59
            0
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            During combat training, fighters do not die and weapons and military equipment is not destroyed

            Unfortunately, not a single training period of combat training has been without accidents. And if we talk about expenses, then most of them go to the combat training of specialists. For example, the cost of a pilot's combat training is several times higher than the cost of an aircraft, and the ratio is approximately the same for missilemen and many other specialties. Yes, unfortunately, our guys die in the war, but they do not die in vain. The world without Ukrainian neo-Nazis and Syrian terrorists has already become much cleaner, and it has become much easier for people to live and work. But for example, on the roads in an accident, people die many times more and they die for nothing. And it's really scary.
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 8 June 2022 09: 00
    +5
    New dates for the return of the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" to the combat fleet have been announced
    There is a positive side to this whole story! Finally, they built a DOCK that can accommodate ships of this size !!! And the fact that it’s not so easy to drown him ... although no one has yet come up with absolute protection from a fool ... well, you can’t forget about the possibility of sabotage!
    1. Alexey Volga
      Alexey Volga 8 June 2022 09: 22
      +2
      Yes, the dock was very much needed, and preferably 2-3 of these. With this, too, not everything is smooth yet, but we believe that everything will be completed. Well, to finish "Kuzya" and only then think about how to use it in the light of recent events will still serve.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 8 June 2022 09: 28
        +1
        Yes, it’s clear with the ship, it will be a combat training unit, for the time being.
        Building and developing the infrastructure of the shipbuilding industry is a paramount task ... you need to build ships of different classes, then foreign companies will not turn up their noses and raise prices godlessly ... although this is just an assumption, it does not pull on the forecast.
      2. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 8 June 2022 11: 13
        +1
        The dock is located on the North side of Sevastopol, its length is 290 meters. This is one of the largest dry docks in the Russian Federation; in the Soviet years, it accepted aircraft carriers for repairs. Previously, the Northern Dock belonged to the Sevastopol Marine Plant, but then passed into private hands. In the summer of 2019, the Northern Dock was transferred to the structures of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC).
        In this dock, all heavy aircraft-carrying cruisers of the USSR Navy, as well as the American liner United States with a displacement of 53322 registered tons, were repaired.
    2. Non-fighter
      Non-fighter 8 June 2022 09: 33
      +1
      Doc on the beach. So you have to drown along with the shore.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 8 June 2022 10: 07
        0
        Damage to the gates will not seem enough either ... the dock will remain in place, but workers and others may suffer.
  7. Fisherman
    Fisherman 8 June 2022 09: 06
    +7
    Smoke a smoke, Kuzya, until they change the leadership of the fleet, which has mediocrely squandered Moscow without a farewell volley at NATO bases.
  8. Maximus196723
    Maximus196723 8 June 2022 09: 08
    +2
    The difficult fate of an aircraft carrier, then the floating dock sank, then a fire, but if they undertook to repair and modernize it, then it must be done thoroughly and slowly, so that a modern aircraft carrier would come out, otherwise why all these huge costs, it would be better to lay down a new one.
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 8 June 2022 19: 43
      +1
      Quote: Maximus196723
      The difficult fate of an aircraft carrier

      Technique, especially as complex as an aircraft carrier cruiser, is not to blame for anything. She always behaves like a living and intelligent being. Technology needs to be truly loved. then she will not betray and fail, and if necessary, she will perform a miracle. And the fact that Kuzi is unlucky with the owners and nannies of wine exclusively from the leadership of the Navy.
  9. ramzay21
    ramzay21 8 June 2022 09: 08
    +3
    Kuzya is a good and necessary ship, he was just unlucky with the owners.
  10. MaxKruh
    MaxKruh 8 June 2022 09: 11
    -6
    Daggers, Zircons, aircraft carriers are no longer relevant, a waste of money.
  11. riwas
    riwas 8 June 2022 09: 15
    +5
    New dates for the return of the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" to the combat fleet have been announced

    Until we start building our aircraft carriers, we must preserve what we have, the time is now turbulent.
  12. faiver
    faiver 8 June 2022 09: 16
    +2
    The news is quite expected, nothing surprising ....
    1. Charik
      Charik 8 June 2022 16: 07
      -1
      all the more so, 8 trulli dripped into the budget - why not push the deadlines, here the trul can fall on a trampoline for a journalist or how much he asked there
  13. Chifka
    Chifka 8 June 2022 09: 18
    +1
    It's like renovating an apartment. You open it up, you pop one thing up - a bunch of another crawls out. Whoever did it knows that neither the scope of work, nor the estimate, nor the initial deadlines are ever met. So basically it's objective. The main thing is that repairs and modernization are not half-hearted, as on the "Moscow".
    1. The popuas
      The popuas 8 June 2022 09: 27
      +1
      Or how to repair a VAZ model of a car ... if you climb one thing, you have to sort out half a car ...
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 8 June 2022 09: 40
        +3
        But then you respect yourself, it turns out you are worth something else. lol
        1. The popuas
          The popuas 8 June 2022 10: 14
          +1
          It is what it is yes
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 8 June 2022 10: 55
      0
      Quote: Chifka
      It's like renovating an apartment. You will open, you will pop up one - a bunch of another crawls out.

      Are you a renovation professional? Everything “climbs out” when there is no idea about the process. If the technique has been worked out and the repairs are carried out by professionals, everything is done on time ... The maximum delay is the absence (shortage) of the necessary material.
      And such that someone begins to overhaul the bathroom and finds that there is no water supply and drain ... lol This was discovered on the "Kuz" ...
      Pros, fuck them by the leg.
      *****
      Let's forget that this transfer is not the last? It may turn out that after 2024 they will even offer to write it off ...
      1. Chifka
        Chifka 8 June 2022 11: 27
        +3
        "It's like someone doing a renovation in the bathroom and discovering that there is no water supply and no drain."

        Rather, having opened the cladding, I found that the eyeliner needed urgent replacement, although before the opening, the fittings taken out looked quite decent, including in terms of service life, and nothing, as they say, foreshadowed ...
        It happens, believe me, and it is not uncommon if the object is operated, so to speak, in difficult conditions, or the pipes are initially soldered crookedly and with marriage.
  14. art having
    art having 8 June 2022 09: 32
    -3
    Maybe enough to reanimate the dead??
    A suitcase without a handle ...
  15. Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 8 June 2022 09: 32
    +2
    the cruiser was taken out of the dock before freezing

    What is it like? Murmansk is an ice-free port, I was there myself, I checked it myself :(
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 8 June 2022 12: 07
      +2
      Quote: Not the fighter
      What is it like? Murmansk is an ice-free port, I was there myself, I checked it myself :(

      Don't promise... We discussed this with @tralflot1832. Turns out it's freezing.
      The Kola Bay froze in 2015 for the seventh time in the last hundred years.
      https://ru.sott.net/article/825-kolskiy-zaliv-zamerz-v-2015-g-sedmoy-raz-za-poslednie-sto-let-chto-proiskhodits-golfstrimom
  16. navigator777
    navigator777 8 June 2022 09: 33
    -3
    Like a suitcase without a handle, it's time to write off and forget.
    As a combat unit, zero. And money from the budget pulls.
  17. acetophenone
    acetophenone 8 June 2022 09: 39
    0
    I think that they are repairing instead of building because you can steal more during repairs.
    What? combat effectiveness? No, you haven't heard, no.
    “Moscow” has been “repaired”, and - the ends are in the water. Both literally and figuratively. I think "Kuznetsov" will face the same (+/- details) fate.
    Paraphrasing the poet:
    - To whom is money, to whom is glory, to whom is dark water. No sign, no trace.
    As the saying goes: "She drowned."
    1. navigator777
      navigator777 8 June 2022 09: 44
      +3
      Quote: acetophenon
      I think that they are repairing instead of building because you can steal more during repairs.
      What? combat effectiveness? No, you haven't heard, no.
      “Moscow” has been “repaired”, and - the ends are in the water. Both literally and figuratively. I think "Kuznetsov" will face the same (+/- details) fate.
      Paraphrasing the poet:
      - To whom is money, to whom is glory, to whom is dark water. No sign, no trace.
      As the saying goes: "She drowned."

      For those years that they are messing with Kuzey, it was possible to build a new one already, the Chinese are already completing the third one. Kuzya is more in repair, it burns there, it sinks. A shame ..
  18. Ros 56
    Ros 56 8 June 2022 09: 39
    +2
    Well, who conducted the inspection and compiled defective documentation? To begin with, as in pirate times, stretch them on a rope along the keel of the Kuzi so that the service does not seem like honey, you see, science will be different and write out a bonus for a couple of lemons to everyone.
  19. navigator777
    navigator777 8 June 2022 09: 46
    +1
    Quote: Not the fighter
    the cruiser was taken out of the dock before freezing

    What is it like? Murmansk is an ice-free port, I was there myself, I checked it myself :(

    Sometimes freezes, checked)
  20. shonsu
    shonsu 8 June 2022 10: 38
    0
    in the course of the work carried out on the ship, previously undetected defects were revealed.
    ***
    Yeah, instead of "granites" they put him "zircons", that's the whole "defect".
  21. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 8 June 2022 10: 41
    0
    The previously named deadlines for the transfer of the ship to the customer in 2023 had to be shifted, since during the work on the cruiser many defects that were not previously discovered were revealed.

    Strange situation. As soon as the country needs something from weapons, technologies, the terms are shifted to the right.
    The law on raising the retirement age or on extending powers - one, two, three ...
    Is this bullshit or brainwashing...
    I do not want to search, but I have already spoken about this (shifts of terms to the right). And Mihan is too lazy to kick, and faith in good and good disappears after that.
  22. Colombian_cocaine
    Colombian_cocaine 8 June 2022 10: 57
    -7
    this disgrace has not been cut yet?
    1. iouris
      iouris 8 June 2022 10: 59
      -1
      They "saw" the budget, not the ships. The ships are divided.
  23. Corrosion inhibitor
    Corrosion inhibitor 8 June 2022 11: 36
    +1
    At the same time, someone out there who constantly stated that the aircraft-carrying cruiser would go out of repair according to plan did not even show any concern about the flooding of the PD-50 floating dock and about the fire with metal structures falling onto the deck and about everything else too . We are going strictly according to plan - such were the statements. And the deadlines kept moving and moving ...
    I don’t understand one thing - what was it, THERE WAS SUCH A PLAN, to ruin the only aircraft carrier, and if it doesn’t work out, then spoil it as much as possible ???
    Or is it about another plan? Maybe he was too picky? Maybe they still smoke it at USC? ... The question is open, as well as about the next dates, too ...
  24. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 8 June 2022 13: 13
    +1
    Either the floating dock sank, then the crane fell on the deck, then the fire ... you immediately feel that the cruiser is in good hands! laughing
  25. nordscout
    nordscout 8 June 2022 13: 53
    +1
    Once the 35th shipyard was the pride of the ship repair of the Northern Fleet... Will it be able to cope with such a responsible job now? The engineering and technical thought and "handiness" of ship repairmen have sunk into oblivion, replacing the leadership talent and experience with the "talented management" of accountants and economists ... I would like to hope that "Admiral Kuznetsov" will still "raise up" and scare the adversary !!!
  26. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 8 June 2022 14: 29
    +2
    carrier-based aviation of the fleet needs a training desk, and then it will be seen, but to take and throw away the developments from the Soviet era? we have seen this in many industries and see what it leads to
  27. Charik
    Charik 8 June 2022 15: 58
    0
    And will they replace the air defense? Does he have Tor-like the land Tor M1?
    1. faiver
      faiver 8 June 2022 18: 03
      0
      They’ll drive a couple of installations onto the deck, that’s the whole tale, they drove Vasily Bykov onto the “dove of peace” onto the helipad, and fixed it with cables - so a replaceable module appeared, moreover, self-propelled, on tracks ....
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  29. Albert Brecht
    Albert Brecht 8 June 2022 16: 19
    +1
    With these drones, you need to keep your eyes open so that the demon does not confuse.
  30. Skipper
    Skipper 8 June 2022 16: 34
    -1
    Instead of 12 Granites - 6 UVP 3S14, 8 cells each, a total of 48 cells for the Zircon GPKR. Instead of ZRAK Kortik-M - ZRAK Pantsir-M. Instead of RKPTZ Udav-1M - MPK Packet-NK. Instead of the Dagger air defense system - the Redoubt air defense system. Well it should be like this...
  31. Common sense
    Common sense 8 June 2022 21: 33
    -1
    The patient before his death suffered for a long time and suffered greatly ...
    And why is it needed in the current realities? What's the point besides crazy cash spending?
    This is not a cruiser or an aircraft carrier, but some kind of incomprehensible invention of the USSR military-industrial complex.