New dates for the return of the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" to the combat fleet have been announced

"Admiral Kuznetsov" in the dry dock of the 35th shipyard in Murmansk

Terms of transfer of the Russian heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" to the combat strength fleet are moving again. According to a source in the military-industrial complex, in the course of the work carried out on the ship, previously undetected defects were revealed.

TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov", undergoing overhaul and modernization at the 35th shipyard in Murmansk, will return to combat strength no earlier than 2024. The previously named deadlines for the transfer of the ship to the customer in 2023 had to be shifted, since during the work on the cruiser many defects that were not previously discovered were revealed. Their correction led to a shift in terms to the right for several more months.

The transfer to the fleet of the cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" after modernization and all subsequent state tests will take place no earlier than in 2024

- leads TASS source words.

Note that the information is unofficial, no confirmation from USC has been received. The latest official data announced by the corporation indicate that the Admiral Kuznetsov will be handed over to the military in 2023.

Currently, the cruiser is in dry dock on the territory of the 35th Shipyard in Murmansk, where it was brought on May 20, 2022. As previously reported, work in the dock with the ship must be completed by September, and the cruiser itself must be taken out of the dock before freezing, otherwise the continuation of work will be postponed to 2023. At the same time, ship repairers say that all work on the cruiser is going according to plan.

Last year, the American magazine The National Interest called the Russian aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov the most "unlucky ship" in the Russian fleet.

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

Poor "Kuzya"! What am I for Aviki, but even then, won’t it be enough to torment him?

[gansales]

You don’t need to call the deadlines .. If you really upgrade, then to the fullest!
I personally believe in "Kuzya", it will still show itself, a beautiful cruiser, the main hull, and everyone else will be stuffed to the fullest ..
You can kick, but I'm for "Kuzya"

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote from gansales

You can kick, but I'm for "Kuzya"

Why kick, shake hands!
But I'm starting to think that it's time to transfer it to training, and not ruin the funds for equipping it with a full set of warship.

[Alex777]

It seems to me that the matter is not so much in the ship as in the hands that are repairing it.
And in the minds of leaders. The ship was docked a long time ago. When will the batoport be installed?
I came across stories from those who served on the cruiser that due to weather conditions on
North, condensate was constantly accumulating in the hull. 1,5 meters in holds throughout
length. The fact that the ship was not followed properly, I can understand. Those were then
us times. But when the repairmen, a year before the delivery of the ship, discover "earlier
undetected defects", I want to know the name of the person who allowed this and punish him.
If the hull is not worn out, the ship can be put in order. But gotta do it
in an adult way. Don't save where you don't need to.
One story, with the replacement of half of the boilers, which is worth it. Then they decided:
change all the boilers, but missed the moment when it was possible to transfer the cruiser to
diesel fuel. He remained now on fuel oil.
A workable, aircraft-carrying cruiser is an expensive pleasure. Otherwise it will be
just wasted money.
As for the training: too high cost of ownership. Or a warship
or on needles.

[NIKN]

Quote: Alex777

It seems to me that the matter is not so much in the ship as in the hands that are repairing it.

You know, this is the first thing that comes to mind.

in the course of the work carried out on the ship, previously undetected defects were revealed.

This speaks of complete lack of professionalism. How was the estimate and repair plan drawn up, was it taken out of thin air and added to kickbacks? Apparently, there were few kickbacks, so previously not sawn problems were discovered.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: NIKNN

This speaks of complete lack of professionalism. How was the estimate and repair plan drawn up, was it taken out of thin air and added to kickbacks? Apparently, there were few kickbacks, so previously not sawn problems were discovered.

Or the Hindu version was repeated - the customer squinted optimized the budget, so the initial defective statement was compiled taking into account the wishes of the customer. And now we decided to do it in full - all the same, the initial estimate would not be observed, since we would have to eliminate the consequences of an unplanned exit from the dock.

[Alex777]

Quote: Alexey RA

Or the Hindu version was repeated - the customer shrugged and optimized the budget

So it was.

Quote: Alexey RA

And now they decided to do it in full - anyway, the original estimate cannot be observed

God forbid that the tragedy with "Moscow" showed the financiers
that the ship cannot be "partially" or "somehow" repaired.
I hope that the postponement will allow everything to be done as it should.

[Siberian54]

It is quite possible that "Moscow" pushed for a more complete repair.

[Taimen]

If they can’t fault the product, then either there are no personnel or negligence or sabotage. We don’t talk about the rest. When there will be responsibility for such cases. You can’t constantly forgive such things.

[Alex777]

It seems to me that if you scratch well, the ears of "effective financiers"
will definitely appear in this story. What can't help but upset...
Some underestimated the amount in order for the project to take place at all and are now winning back
their own back, others set obviously impracticable limits of financing.
So everything turns out as always: everyone did well, but the delivery of the ship was postponed.

[Frost]

Quote: Alex777

The ship was docked a long time ago. When will the batoport be installed?

While they are implementing an ersatz version of a dry dock with a temporary jumper, after docking the cruiser, as it should be according to the project, they will do it with a batoport (hydraulic seal). Batoport is being built at Sevmash. The batoport needs to be towed from Severodvinsk to the Kola Bay. At the moment, the bulkhead will be restored, then they will begin pumping out water and accurately landing the heavy cruiser on the crate of the set. Of the minuses - double work with a jumper, but for docking a ship, you do not have to wait for the completion of construction. With this option, you can win a year and a half.
In addition to the main batoport, according to the project, there will be an intermediate gate along the length of the dock for the possibility of docking sets of ships of smaller lengths with different docking periods + construction of a new pumping station in the northern abutment of the reconstructed dry dock and installation of crane tracks with a gauge of 10,5 m on the walls of the reconstructed dry dock for portal cranes with a capacity of 50 and 100 tons.

[Alex777]

Thank you colleague for the comprehensive answer!

[stankow]

One and a half meters? Condensate?! Oh well.

[Alex777]

https://topwar.ru/103156-gordost-i-gorech-vmf-rf.html
https://igor113.livejournal.com/27473.html

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Alex777

The ship was docked a long time ago. When will the batoport be installed?

Batoport will not be installed this year - Sevmash will according to plan will be handed over only within a year, and installation is scheduled for mid-2023.
Instead of a batoport, a temporary jumper will be installed before the dock is drained. And, judging by the photo, it is already half set.

[Revolver]

Quote: Alex777

due to weather conditions in the North, condensate constantly accumulated in the hull. 1,5 meters in holds along the entire length.

So it's not in vain that both American and British aircraft carriers are spending more and more time in warm seas. Kuznetsov right now would be in the Black Sea Fleet, but I don’t believe that he wouldn’t be useful there. There it should be after repair. Moreover, if native Nikolaev is released, there will be where to repair it, if anything. Or at the Pacific Fleet, so that it is not based in Vladivostok, but somewhere to the south. Well, for example, to remove Cam Ranh from Vietnam, if not the entire base, then at least a piece. It is possible, of course, to the Mediterranean, but the base in Tartus is frankly shallow, it will be long and expensive to expand and deepen it, so much so that the question "is it necessary?"
In such conditions, he will still raise for some time. Maybe not even useless.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Nagan

if native Nikolaev is released, there will be where to repair it, if anything.

After the release of Nikolaev, it will take more than one year to restore the CVD. Or do you think dill will leave us something whole? Therefore, it will apparently have to be repaired at Sevmash. And it will be calmer from sabotage.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Alex777

As for the training: too high cost of ownership. Or a warship, or on pins and needles.

Namesake,
1. TAVKR will remain in the Federation Council. This is the only group-based aircraft carrier. especially - carrier-based aircraft.
2. There is no doubt that it will be used as a "training base" for the training of carrier-based aviation flight personnel. But this does not exclude its combat use if necessary. Can someone explain to me the PRINCIPAL difference between "training" and "combat" airfields? I don't mean training classes (Flight Training Classes) but CONCRETE? taxiing, parking ...-- how they fundamentally differ from them !?
3. It's time for our air bosses and naval commanders to take care of a new aircraft for the air regiment (100 and 279). But so far they have been silent about it. Maybe they are waiting for the Su-75, or some other thread of super-duper winged crap that has no analogues in the world and the surrounding area.
I'm afraid time will pass, and the new LA, as usual (a spoon for dinner!) Will not appear on time. (And again the old woman will sit with nothing. ) Judging by the creeping "counter-revolution" in the USC, everything will work out that way.

[Alex777]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: Alex777

As for the training: too high cost of ownership. Or a warship, or on pins and needles.

Namesake,

Quote: BoA KAA

1. TAVKR will remain in the Federation Council. This is the only group-based aircraft carrier. especially - carrier-based aircraft.

Of course. We need an aircraft carrier suitable for combat
operation and technical condition. And not alone.

Quote: BoA KAA

2. There is no doubt that it will be used as a "training base" for the training of carrier-based aviation flight personnel. But this does not exclude its combat use if necessary.

Of course they will use for study. Like any other combat
ship in peacetime. But it must be a warship.

Quote: BoA KAA

3. It's time for our air bosses and naval commanders to take care of a new aircraft for the air regiment (100 and 279).

And here I can not disagree with you. Available aircraft, better than
nothing, but already hopelessly inferior to the US novelties.

Quote: BoA KAA

Judging by the creeping "counter-revolution" in the USC, everything will work out that way.

And I think about it. All my hope is that VVP Rakhmanov
the order was given for a reason. I hope I don't know something good and important.

[gansales]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Why kick, shake hands!

Thanks for support ..

Quote: Vladimir_2U

But I'm starting to think that it's time to transfer it to training, and not ruin the funds for equipping it with a full set of warship.

Well, maybe even so (I'm not an expert), but he should be in the ranks of the Russian Navy! To spite all the scoffers and whiners
Beautiful cruiser!

[Galleon]

Quote from gansales

To spite all the scoffers and whiners

It is necessary not "in spite" of someone, but for the benefit of the country.

[rocket757]

Quote from gansales

If we are to modernize, then to the fullest!

I just remembered the statement of a military sailor on the topic of aging warships.
Modernizing a ship that has served up to 20 years is EXPENSIVE and makes it a combat unit nothing more than an auxiliary one! If the ship has served longer, it can only become a training unit.
Everything is getting old, you should not try on a new saddle on an aged horse ...
It will be like a naval aviation training ship, and then until such time as take-off decks of this type are used.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: rocket757

It will be like a naval aviation training ship, and then until such time as take-off decks of this type are used.

The other day, an article appeared here about the release of drones for the Navy.
There, why not adapt them, anti-submarine helicopters and several attack aircraft on the Kuznetsov?
In my opinion, it will be a good functional aircraft carrier that can accompany our squadrons on campaigns and be useful.

[rocket757]

It will benefit to the extent that is available for objective reasons.
No THREADS and other simulators will replace training on a real, operating combat training ship.

[Letun]

Quote: rocket757

It will be like a naval aviation training ship, and then until such time as take-off decks of this type are used.

If it is training, then what other will pilots be trained on? Where else do we have decks of this type?

[rocket757]

When another type is designed and put into production, then they will begin to teach.
Maybe immediately the transition will be to a vertical take-off ... what to guess, we'll see if we wait for this.

[gansales]

Quote: rocket757

I just remembered the statement of a military sailor on the topic of aging warships.
Modernizing a ship that has served up to 20 years is EXPENSIVE and makes it a combat unit nothing more than an auxiliary one! If the ship has served longer, it can only become a training unit.
Everything is getting old, you should not try on a new saddle on an aged horse ...
It will be like a naval aviation training ship, and then until such time as take-off decks of this type are used.

It was built during the Soviet era and the strength and reliability of the hull were strictly adhered to there .. Now the new ones are shiny. But you know yourself .. like everything else (the guarantee is low) ..

[Kelevra]

"unit"

[Kelevra]

"unit"

[rocket757]

I agree, grammar and calligraphy are not my forte.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: rocket757

Modernizing a ship that has served up to 20 years is EXPENSIVE and makes it a combat unit nothing more than an auxiliary one! If the ship has served longer, it can only become a training unit.

Midway and other flat deckers look at this statement with bewilderment.

[rocket757]

What is the question then?
A warship is a whole complex of everything and a lot that must work in conjunction and effectively.
Modernization of old ships does not make them much better, they do not reach the level of new ships of the same class in MOST PARAMETERS.
This is not mine, what I read about, then I passed it on.
Everything is relative.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: rocket757

Modernization of old ships does not make them much better, they do not reach the level of new ships of the same class in MOST PARAMETERS.

It all depends on the development of technology during the period of service. The same "Tikis" have already been serving for 30 years, and they still have 15 years to go. But they cannot be called obsolete or inferior.
However, even the same "Midway", having started service as a typical flat-deck with one runway and with piston "Corsairs" and "Skyraders", completed its service with a corner deck and "Hornets". Only "Tomcats" did not fit on it - and only for permanent basing, since they could take off and land on "Midway" (which was confirmed by "Coral Sea", moonlighting as a training deck in the 80s).
And the Forrestals and Kitty Hawks remained among the first-line ABs for 35-40 years (Kitty Hawk generally served 48 years), not inferior to their later built counterparts.

[rocket757]

The question is about a specific type of ships, in which progress is not so serious, fundamentally changed!
In general, in terms of ships ... when dreadnoughts appeared, all armadillos somehow immediately became outdated and could not seriously compete with them.
When missile carriers appeared, artillery ships began to recede into the background and could not compete with them ... not immediately, but quickly enough.
We have one aircraft carrier ship, it will not be able to maintain a reputation as, even, a mini AUG, no matter how you upgrade it.
Those. even new technologies that have not been mastered by us cannot be tested on it ... except perhaps vertical takeoff and landing aircraft.
As a training ... I believe it is needed. As a combat one ... a very dubious value, precisely because our opponents have this part of the fleet's forces much larger and better.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: rocket757

The question is about a specific type of ships, in which progress is not so serious, fundamentally changed!

Well, here is a specific type - an aircraft carrier.
AB with KTU served in the USA for 35-40 years, and in the first line. So 20 years for a ship of this class is nothing.

Quote: rocket757

Those. even new technologies that have not been mastered by us cannot be tested on it ... except perhaps vertical takeoff and landing aircraft.

What new, untapped technologies does AB have?
And in general, the founder of the AB recently put into operation two ABs with a displacement almost the same as the Forrestal, but without catapults, without AWACS aircraft and with an air group like that of Kuznetsov.

Quote: rocket757

As a combat one ... a very dubious value, precisely because our opponents have this part of the fleet's forces much larger and better.

So 11435 is a floating airfield for air defense forces of ship groups in a 400-mile zone. Its task is to quickly reinforce the forces on duty and, ideally, pin down the enemy strike group before reinforcements arrive from the coast.

[rocket757]

We land with the naval to argue, on a topic far from us, only to waste time in vain.
At least I have been on ships, worked ... on different ones, but there is a land one.
And the naval ones have a true, time-tested motto, ta ta ta ... but I won’t disgrace the fleet!
The rule that is the same for everyone is that the old, modernized equipment will not be the same in terms of efficiency as the new one, especially when the time for its development / release is much earlier.
It’s the same in the fleet, only the deadlines for obsolescence are different, because objects are designed, built and operated much longer!
But, the principle is the same for everyone, and no matter how we argue, nothing will change from this.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Alexey RA

The same "Tiki" has already served for 30 years, and they still have 15 years to walk

The first ones have already been written off for wear and tear, and continue to write off.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The first ones have already been written off for wear and tear, and continue to write off.

I don’t take the first ones - there are two-beam launchers, which are unprofitable to change to UVP in the presence of serial Burks.
But the "Tiki" of the second half of the series, handed over to the fleet in the first half of the 90s, will serve until the mid-40s.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Alexey RA

I don’t take the first ones - there are two-beam launchers

Oh yes.

[Revolver]

Quote: rocket757

It will be like a naval aviation training ship

If he can launch and receive combat aircraft, then, if necessary, real bombs and missiles can be hung from them instead of weight-size models. Even if it will be listed as educational.
And if he can’t, then why is it needed, even as a training one?

[rocket757]

Combat training ... this is also practiced, if necessary.
And so, we have nothing else ... there will be others or not, I don’t know, I don’t want to guess.

[TermNachTer]

I agree. Let it come out of repair even in 2025, but for the modernization to take place in full.

[gansales]

Quote: TermNachTER

I agree. Let it come out of repair even in 2025, but for the modernization to take place in full.

A sort of not only aircraft carrier, but stuffed with air defense-missile defense - electronic warfare to the full. The design allows !!!!
"Kuzya" We are waiting for you again in the Black Sea, where you were literally stolen from the Ukronazis who would have sold you for metal, etc.
You must appear in the harbor where you were created by the entire Soviet Union .. Proudly standing guard over the entire Black Sea !!!!

[TermNachTer]

I think that the removal of "granites" will free up enough space and weight, and the REO needs to be updated as well as the DB air defense systems. No need to rush - you need to do well.

[Genry]

Quote from gansales

not only an aircraft carrier, but stuffed with air defense-missile defense - electronic warfare in full. The design allows

Air defense / missile defense should be on escort ships.
Kuzi already has a small tonnage, so the entire volume must be oriented towards aviation.

[gansales]

Quote: Genry

Quote from gansales

not only an aircraft carrier, but stuffed with air defense-missile defense - electronic warfare in full. The design allows

Air defense / missile defense should be on escort ships.
Kuzi already has a small tonnage, so the entire volume must be oriented towards aviation.

Specials will find the "golden" mean ..!!!

[serg.shishkov2015]

It is a pity that only one plus can be put! although THIS reason for the deadline shift is valid for me! previously unnoticed dekhvets were found, so there are opportunities to fix them too!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: serg.shishkov2015

previously unnoticed dekhvets were found, so there are opportunities to fix them too!

This is true. But I would like to ask, knitting my eyebrows: - And who used to carry out the DEFECTATION? And why didn't he notice these defects? And if you noticed, then why didn’t they end up in the defect list? BUT ???
And of course, CONCLUSIONS must be done, and not expressed regret.
IMHO.

[serg.shishkov2015]

You are absolutely right! This is the combat capability of our army! And this is the people's money!

[Torin]

Let's hope that "Kuzya" will be modernized and returned back to the fleet, and not like the story with the Project 1144 cruisers: Kirov and Lazarev. Which were put under modernization and as a result stand in sumps and are waiting for disposal. Or, for example, TAKR project 1143.3 Novorossiysk and Minsk, which were also sold for scrap.

[alexmach]

And for everyone else, for example, what is it?
New diesel boilers, as it were, have not been stuffed and will not be stuffed.
The Kuznetsov Air Group is rapidly becoming obsolete.
With AWACS full seams.
We don’t talk about any fantasy like installing a catapult at all.

[Wbond]

... the main thing is to finish the job ... a year there - a year here ... a lot of work ...

[white fall]

Kuzya is a child of the collapse of the union. There have been a lot of jambs since the commissioning - I don’t know if this is sabotage or just bungling, but there is a lot of business with Kuzey

[Letun]

Quote from Whitefall

There have been a lot of jambs since the commissioning - I don’t know if this is sabotage or just bungling

This is a lack of experience in the construction and operation of such vessels.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Letun

This is a lack of experience in the construction and operation of such vessels.

Ahem ... actually, for Nikolaev, "Kuznetsov" was already the fifth aircraft carrier.

[Letun]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: Letun

This is a lack of experience in the construction and operation of such vessels.

Ahem ... actually, for Nikolaev, "Kuznetsov" was already the fifth aircraft carrier.

Was there even one successful one? Can these aircraft-carrying cruisers with the Yak-38 be called a successful experience? Or the same Kuznitsov, who "thanks" to the Motner Convention also turned out neither fish nor fowl ... It is still a mystery to me how you can talk about all these aircraft carriers without creating an AWACS aircraft for them. These helicopters with radars, well, this is just a target for ridicule of Western countries ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Letun

Was there even one successful one? Can these aircraft-carrying cruisers with the Yak-38 be called a successful experience?

For a factory, yes. On them, Nikolaev acquired the construction of large ships with a mixed type of weapons.
It was all about lack of experience. in construction.

Quote: Letun

Or the same Kuznitsov, who "thanks" to the Motnre convention also turned out neither fish nor meat ...

And what does the Montreux Convention have to do with the requirements of the General Staff and personally comrades Install and Amelko?
This is what the fifth building of project 1143 was supposed to be originally:

And then Ustinov directively demanded to continue feeding the Yakovlev Design Bureau, replacing the air group with the Yak-141, and Amelko nailed the already finished catapult and all further work on it. If it weren’t for the decision on the short takeoff of the Yak-141, which required the installation of a springboard, after the appearance of which it was also possible to ensure the takeoff from the deck of the Su and MiG, then the Kuznetsov in the 90s would have been left without an air group at all and would most likely have been decommissioned.

[Letun]

Quote: Alexey RA

For a factory, yes. On them, Nikolaev acquired the construction of large ships with a mixed type of weapons.

He certainly gained experience. Unfortunately, it's not positive. But those are trifles.

Quote: Alexey RA

This is what the fifth building of project 1143 was supposed to be originally:

Nice picture
It is a pity that now we will never know what would have happened in the metal.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Letun

how can one talk about all these aircraft carriers without creating an AWACS aircraft for them.

But UAV AWACS will not suit you? But such an option is quite possible. Don't find?

[Letun]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

But UAV AWACS will not suit you? But such an option is quite possible. Don't find?

Do they exist? Or is it another "let's dream"? ..

[Corrosion inhibitor]

At the same time, someone out there who constantly stated that the aircraft-carrying cruiser would go out of repair according to plan did not even show any concern about the flooding of the PD-50 floating dock and about the fire with the fall of metal structures on the deck and about everything else too . We are going strictly according to plan - such were the statements. And the deadlines kept moving and moving ...
I don’t understand one thing - what was it, THERE WAS SUCH A PLAN, to ruin the only aircraft carrier, and if it doesn’t work out, then spoil it as much as possible ???
Or is it about another plan? Maybe he was too picky? Maybe they still smoke it at USC? ... The question is open, as well as about the next dates, too ...

[Snegovok]

That's for sure, a non-aircraft carrier, more problems than good, write off and forget like a bad dream.

[Subtext]

I note that the fashionable word "NEWEST" (as we like to say about planes, tanks, etc.) is not used. So, for new dates, we are waiting for the latest ... :o(

[Flooding]

The dates for the transfer of the Russian heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" to the combat composition of the fleet are again shifted

Is there anyone who would be surprised by this news?
Alas, military shipbuilding has long ceased to spoil us with good news.

[ZeeD]

And constantly something "not previously discovered" is opened ... Whoever carried out the troubleshooting - it's necessary for the count.

[SKVichyakow]

They've probably already gone up.

[Nafanya from the sofa]

“There are three things that you can look at forever: burning fire, flowing water and ̶s̶i̶ya̶yu̶sch̶e̶e̶ ̶z̶v̶e̶z̶d̶n̶o̶e̶ ̶n̶e̶b̶o̶” repair of “Admiral Kuznetsov

Unfortunately.

[Vitaly.17]

If they find defects and are not afraid to move the deadlines in such a difficult period, there is hope that this time everything will be done with high quality.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Vitaly.17

If they find defects and are not afraid to move the deadlines in such a difficult period, there is hope that this time everything will be done with high quality.

Everyone pretends or really does not understand that the deadlines are being postponed for reasons ... lack of money. Because of the SVO, as it is not difficult to guess. Or do you think that every day CBO brings us profit? And the end of the operation is not yet in sight ... If the military will take power in 404, then maybe we will come to a common denominator. And with a fallopianist - it will not work.

[Vitaly.17]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

deadlines are postponed for reasons ... lack of money.

You forget that Russia needs rubles for its military projects, not dollars. In addition, the SVO in terms of its costs does not go much beyond the costs of conventional combat training.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Vitaly.17

SVO in terms of its costs does not go much beyond the costs of conventional combat training.

During combat training, fighters do not die and arms and military equipment is not destroyed. In addition, the consumption of rocket weapons is colossal.
So, a lot is compensated from the budget of the Moscow Region ...

[Vitaly.17]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

During combat training, fighters do not die and weapons and military equipment is not destroyed

Unfortunately, not a single training period of combat training has been without accidents. And if we talk about expenses, then most of them go to the combat training of specialists. For example, the cost of a pilot's combat training is several times higher than the cost of an aircraft, and the ratio is approximately the same for missilemen and many other specialties. Yes, unfortunately, our guys die in the war, but they do not die in vain. The world without Ukrainian neo-Nazis and Syrian terrorists has already become much cleaner, and it has become much easier for people to live and work. But for example, on the roads in an accident, people die many times more and they die for nothing. And it's really scary.

[rocket757]

New dates for the return of the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" to the combat fleet have been announced

There is a positive side to this whole story! Finally, they built a DOCK that can accommodate ships of this size !!! And the fact that it’s not so easy to drown him ... although no one has yet come up with absolute protection from a fool ... well, you can’t forget about the possibility of sabotage!

[Alexey Volga]

Yes, the dock was very much needed, and preferably 2-3 of these. With this, too, not everything is smooth yet, but we believe that everything will be completed. Well, to finish "Kuzya" and only then think about how to use it in the light of recent events will still serve.

[rocket757]

Yes, it’s clear with the ship, it will be a combat training unit, for the time being.
Building and developing the infrastructure of the shipbuilding industry is a paramount task ... you need to build ships of different classes, then foreign companies will not turn up their noses and raise prices godlessly ... although this is just an assumption, it does not pull on the forecast.

[Xnumx vis]

The dock is located on the North side of Sevastopol, its length is 290 meters. This is one of the largest dry docks in the Russian Federation; in the Soviet years, it accepted aircraft carriers for repairs. Previously, the Northern Dock belonged to the Sevastopol Marine Plant, but then passed into private hands. In the summer of 2019, the Northern Dock was transferred to the structures of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC).

In this dock, all heavy aircraft-carrying cruisers of the USSR Navy, as well as the American liner United States with a displacement of 53322 registered tons, were repaired.

[Non-fighter]

Doc on the beach. So you have to drown along with the shore.

[rocket757]

Damage to the gates will not seem enough either ... the dock will remain in place, but workers and others may suffer.

[Fisherman]

Smoke a smoke, Kuzya, until they change the leadership of the fleet, which has mediocrely squandered Moscow without a farewell volley at NATO bases.

[Maximus196723]

The difficult fate of an aircraft carrier, then the floating dock sank, then a fire, but if they undertook to repair and modernize it, then it must be done thoroughly and slowly, so that a modern aircraft carrier would come out, otherwise why all these huge costs, it would be better to lay down a new one.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Maximus196723

The difficult fate of an aircraft carrier

Technique, especially as complex as an aircraft carrier cruiser, is not to blame for anything. She always behaves like a living and intelligent being. Technology needs to be truly loved. then she will not betray and fail, and if necessary, she will perform a miracle. And the fact that Kuzi is unlucky with the owners and nannies of wine exclusively from the leadership of the Navy.

[ramzay21]

Kuzya is a good and necessary ship, he was just unlucky with the owners.

[MaxKruh]

Daggers, Zircons, aircraft carriers are no longer relevant, a waste of money.

[riwas]

New dates for the return of the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" to the combat fleet have been announced

Until we start building our aircraft carriers, we must preserve what we have, the time is now turbulent.

[faiver]

The news is quite expected, nothing surprising ....

[Charik]

all the more so, 8 trulli dripped into the budget - why not push the deadlines, here the trul can fall on a trampoline for a journalist or how much he asked there

[Chifka]

It's like renovating an apartment. You open it up, you pop one thing up - a bunch of another crawls out. Whoever did it knows that neither the scope of work, nor the estimate, nor the initial deadlines are ever met. So basically it's objective. The main thing is that repairs and modernization are not half-hearted, as on the "Moscow".

[The popuas]

Or how to repair a VAZ model of a car ... if you climb one thing, you have to sort out half a car ...

[Ros 56]

But then you respect yourself, it turns out you are worth something else.

[The popuas]

It is what it is

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Chifka

It's like renovating an apartment. You will open, you will pop up one - a bunch of another crawls out.

Are you a renovation professional? Everything “climbs out” when there is no idea about the process. If the technique has been worked out and the repairs are carried out by professionals, everything is done on time ... The maximum delay is the absence (shortage) of the necessary material.
And such that someone begins to overhaul the bathroom and finds that there is no water supply and drain ... This was discovered on the "Kuz" ...
Pros, fuck them by the leg.
*****
Let's forget that this transfer is not the last? It may turn out that after 2024 they will even offer to write it off ...

[Chifka]

"It's like someone doing a renovation in the bathroom and discovering that there is no water supply and no drain."

Rather, having opened the cladding, I found that the eyeliner needed urgent replacement, although before the opening, the fittings taken out looked quite decent, including in terms of service life, and nothing, as they say, foreshadowed ...
It happens, believe me, and it is not uncommon if the object is operated, so to speak, in difficult conditions, or the pipes are initially soldered crookedly and with marriage.

[art having]

Maybe enough to reanimate the dead??
A suitcase without a handle ...

[Non-fighter]

the cruiser was taken out of the dock before freezing

What is it like? Murmansk is an ice-free port, I was there myself, I checked it myself :(

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Not the fighter

What is it like? Murmansk is an ice-free port, I was there myself, I checked it myself :(

Don't promise... We discussed this with @tralflot1832. Turns out it's freezing.
The Kola Bay froze in 2015 for the seventh time in the last hundred years.
https://ru.sott.net/article/825-kolskiy-zaliv-zamerz-v-2015-g-sedmoy-raz-za-poslednie-sto-let-chto-proiskhodits-golfstrimom

[navigator777]

Like a suitcase without a handle, it's time to write off and forget.
As a combat unit, zero. And money from the budget pulls.

[acetophenone]

I think that they are repairing instead of building because you can steal more during repairs.
What? combat effectiveness? No, you haven't heard, no.
“Moscow” has been “repaired”, and - the ends are in the water. Both literally and figuratively. I think "Kuznetsov" will face the same (+/- details) fate.
Paraphrasing the poet:
- To whom is money, to whom is glory, to whom is dark water. No sign, no trace.
As the saying goes: "She drowned."

[navigator777]

Quote: acetophenon

I think that they are repairing instead of building because you can steal more during repairs.
What? combat effectiveness? No, you haven't heard, no.
“Moscow” has been “repaired”, and - the ends are in the water. Both literally and figuratively. I think "Kuznetsov" will face the same (+/- details) fate.
Paraphrasing the poet:
- To whom is money, to whom is glory, to whom is dark water. No sign, no trace.
As the saying goes: "She drowned."

For those years that they are messing with Kuzey, it was possible to build a new one already, the Chinese are already completing the third one. Kuzya is more in repair, it burns there, it sinks. A shame ..

[Ros 56]

Well, who conducted the inspection and compiled defective documentation? To begin with, as in pirate times, stretch them on a rope along the keel of the Kuzi so that the service does not seem like honey, you see, science will be different and write out a bonus for a couple of lemons to everyone.

[navigator777]

Quote: Not the fighter

the cruiser was taken out of the dock before freezing

What is it like? Murmansk is an ice-free port, I was there myself, I checked it myself :(

Sometimes freezes, checked)

[shonsu]

in the course of the work carried out on the ship, previously undetected defects were revealed.
***
Yeah, instead of "granites" they put him "zircons", that's the whole "defect".

[Ross xnumx]

The previously named deadlines for the transfer of the ship to the customer in 2023 had to be shifted, since during the work on the cruiser many defects that were not previously discovered were revealed.

Strange situation. As soon as the country needs something from weapons, technologies, the terms are shifted to the right.
The law on raising the retirement age or on extending powers - one, two, three ...
Is this bullshit or brainwashing...
I do not want to search, but I have already spoken about this (shifts of terms to the right). And Mihan is too lazy to kick, and faith in good and good disappears after that.

[Colombian_cocaine]

this disgrace has not been cut yet?

[iouris]

They "saw" the budget, not the ships. The ships are divided.

[Corrosion inhibitor]

At the same time, someone out there who constantly stated that the aircraft-carrying cruiser would go out of repair according to plan did not even show any concern about the flooding of the PD-50 floating dock and about the fire with metal structures falling onto the deck and about everything else too . We are going strictly according to plan - such were the statements. And the deadlines kept moving and moving ...
I don’t understand one thing - what was it, THERE WAS SUCH A PLAN, to ruin the only aircraft carrier, and if it doesn’t work out, then spoil it as much as possible ???
Or is it about another plan? Maybe he was too picky? Maybe they still smoke it at USC? ... The question is open, as well as about the next dates, too ...

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Either the floating dock sank, then the crane fell on the deck, then the fire ... you immediately feel that the cruiser is in good hands!

[nordscout]

Once the 35th shipyard was the pride of the ship repair of the Northern Fleet... Will it be able to cope with such a responsible job now? The engineering and technical thought and "handiness" of ship repairmen have sunk into oblivion, replacing the leadership talent and experience with the "talented management" of accountants and economists ... I would like to hope that "Admiral Kuznetsov" will still "raise up" and scare the adversary !!!

[Ryaruav]

carrier-based aviation of the fleet needs a training desk, and then it will be seen, but to take and throw away the developments from the Soviet era? we have seen this in many industries and see what it leads to

[Charik]

And will they replace the air defense? Does he have Tor-like the land Tor M1?

[faiver]

They’ll drive a couple of installations onto the deck, that’s the whole tale, they drove Vasily Bykov onto the “dove of peace” onto the helipad, and fixed it with cables - so a replaceable module appeared, moreover, self-propelled, on tracks ....

[Albert Brecht]

With these drones, you need to keep your eyes open so that the demon does not confuse.

[Skipper]

Instead of 12 Granites - 6 UVP 3S14, 8 cells each, a total of 48 cells for the Zircon GPKR. Instead of ZRAK Kortik-M - ZRAK Pantsir-M. Instead of RKPTZ Udav-1M - MPK Packet-NK. Instead of the Dagger air defense system - the Redoubt air defense system. Well it should be like this...

[Common sense]

The patient before his death suffered for a long time and suffered greatly ...
And why is it needed in the current realities? What's the point besides crazy cash spending?
This is not a cruiser or an aircraft carrier, but some kind of incomprehensible invention of the USSR military-industrial complex.