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When prominent experts who give forecasts will begin to answer for their words

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The abundance of political experts on television and in the Internet media, who talk about the future and make various, often loud, forecasts, today is amazing. However, few people thought about the quality of these forecasts and the extent to which these experts give adequate estimates. After all, journalists almost never ask them to compare their forecasts with what actually happened.


That is, the main problem is that the same experts and political scientists wander from show to show, making more and more “predictions”, but no one asks them which, in fact, of your predictions came true? Agree, the question is quite logical, but it is not asked. Experts voice low-quality forecasts, and sometimes they even speak outright nonsense, because they know that they will still be invited to federal channels.

Many will say - so what, some guys in jackets talked to the camera about this and that, what is the harm from such forecasts? Without understanding the answer to this question, you do not realize the essence of the problem, so we will try to reveal it in sufficient detail.

What is the harm of false predictions?


Often we can read high-profile predictions that are actually made “out of the blue”, not supported by facts and driven by the desire of an expert, for example, to flatter the political leadership. Or, to put it another way, the intention to give such a forecast that management wants to hear. After all, it must be admitted that most of the forecasts that we are now seeing in the media are not aimed at actually predicting the future, but are made only in order to assure the public that everything will happen according to the expected scenario and that all hopes and expectations will be justified. Quite often, in such cases, an illusory picture is created that can mislead, and, as practice shows, not only ordinary citizens.

Let's take a few specific examples. Let's start with the statement of the well-known expert and political scientist Rostislav Ishchenko, whom I have already mentioned in my previous articles. In February 2021 he claimedthat the Armed Forces of Ukraine have no experience in conducting combat operations according to modern standards, in fact, there is no aviation and air defense, so no one will resist the RF Armed Forces.

Ukraine will not even resist the Russian army, and Lvov and Dnepropetrovsk will compete in who will give her flowers faster ... The Ukrainian military does not have the necessary range of weapons and sufficient funding.

Three years earlier, in 2018, the Vzglyad publication published an article “How the Russian army will force Ukraine to peace.” Its author, in fact, who answered the question indicated in the title, was military expert Yevgeny Krutikov.

“The Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have any ability to resist (the Russian army - Approx. ed.). Especially if we also remember the quality of the equipment available to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the morale of the personnel. All Russian units are fully equipped, provided with ammunition and fuel in reserve. They do not need to work out additional coherence, since the level of combat training is constantly supported by exercises and checks. If we limit the operation to pacify the raging Kyiv to a week, then the massive use of high-precision weapons and aviation can stop a potential Ukrainian offensive in just a few hours. The rest of the time will be spent on the formation of a more acceptable configuration of the front from a military and political point of view. And this issue is more political, since the main military task is to destroy the combat capability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the east of Ukraine,”

- wrote Krutikov.

Even more entertaining is the commentary given in November 2021 to Svobodnaya Pressa by political scientist, Associate Professor of the Department of Political Science and Sociology of the Plekhanov Russian University of Economics Alexander Perendzhiev.

Neutralizing the enemy or forcing him to peace consists in strikes against his command posts, as well as at the locations of large formations, especially their transport communications. In addition, in this case, electronic suppression of all enemy control systems will be carried out: communications, radar stations and video surveillance. That is, we are talking about a significant weakening of the enemy's activity, bringing him to a stationary, or very inactive state. For these purposes, one Black Sea fleet. But we are talking about units that are located not only in the Black Sea area, but also on land.

We believe that these examples will suffice. One can, of course, also recall the statements made by Yakov Kedmi, a frequent guest on federal channels, two days after the start of the special military operation in Ukraine, that “the Ukrainian army has been defeated”, and therefore “the Armed Forces of Ukraine will no longer be able to carry out sabotage on Russian territory and on the territory of the LPR and the DPR. But there were too many such "forecasts" and it makes no sense to list them all. We have the opportunity to compare all these forecasts with what happened in reality.

Therefore, it's time to move on to answering the main question - why are forecasts "from the ceiling" not only harmful, but also dangerous? Because they create illusions that begin to be perceived as reality. Thomas' theorem says:

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences."

It is obvious that initially the military operation proceeded precisely from the assessments that we read on the pages of the media. And wrong estimates led to the setting of wrong tasks.

Initially, the SVO was not planned as a real war, otherwise the RF Armed Forces would not have launched an offensive in several directions at once with the numerical superiority of the enemy, and in some cases without air cover, and would not have refused missile attacks on the barracks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the first weeks of the operation. There was a hope that Zelensky was fleeing from Kyiv, and that is why such “ducks” were spread in the media: as soon as the Russian army was a few kilometers from the Ukrainian capital, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not offer serious resistance, he would capitulate along with the Ukrainian regime.

This calculation was not justified. And those who gave false forecasts about the situation in Ukraine are also to blame for this. If initially the political leadership of the Russian Federation had real information, then perhaps the situation would have developed according to a different scenario. As Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee for the Development of Civil Society, General Vladimir Shamanov, said:

Those who expected that we [in Ukraine] would be greeted with flowers... This is one of the main mistakes that we felt very keenly in the first five days of the special operation.
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  1. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    -13
    ***
    “You will answer for the market”? ...
    ***
    1. Smoker
      Smoker 9 June 2022 11: 10
      0
      Who is guilty? and what to do? - the most popular questions in Russia.
      1. 28st region
        28st region 9 June 2022 11: 18
        +17
        And how many "experienced" forecasters answer these questions.
        Reply to
        When prominent experts who give forecasts will begin to answer for their words
        - never.
        Otherwise, such a bread job will disappear.
        1. Aleksandre
          Aleksandre 9 June 2022 12: 11
          +18
          Quote: 28st region
          Otherwise, such a bread job will disappear.

          Here, as it were, a counter question arises: what kind of imbecile do you need to be in order to draw information from a talk show created, all of a sudden, precisely for the sake of the show and earning a sum of money, and not at all for the sake of information.
          1. iouris
            iouris 9 June 2022 17: 52
            +3
            "I pay taxes - where is the quality propaganda?!"
        2. TreeSmall
          TreeSmall 14 June 2022 17: 57
          0
          When eminent experts

          Which of them is at least an “expert” (not by self-name, but by reputation, education, achievements.
          About the "prominent" in general it's a shame.
          Mummers. Malakhov's show, but with a political smell
      2. Bykov.
        Bykov. 9 June 2022 11: 31
        +1
        u-ha-ha. Does the author seriously think that the Kremlin and the General Staff are paying attention to these forecasts? in gives.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 9 June 2022 11: 38
          +13
          When prominent experts who give forecasts will begin to answer for their words

          Probably when this culture is restored .. when everyone will be responsible for the bazaar, whether it be an official, an expert or a president .. but for now it is customary for us not to answer for anything ..
          1. ammunition
            ammunition 10 June 2022 07: 33
            +1
            Quote: Svarog
            When prominent experts who give forecasts will begin to answer for their words

            Probably when this culture is restored ..

            Most of the experts gave right assessment of the upcoming conflict. .. So .. 90% .. about correct.
            --------------
            But ! They could not assume very many facts. Well, they couldn't! Because these facts do not fit into common sense.
            And there are a lot of such incomprehensible and absurd facts. And about these absurd and blatant facts .. here on VO, in a bunch of articles and every fourth (approx.) commentary.
            ---------------
            Experts naturally assumed that the preparation for such a super-serious operation would be (respectively) super-serious.
            It was assumed that a group of generals would not get out of the KSHU for half a year (games with all conceivable and unthinkable introductory). It was assumed that a grouping with a total number of at least 300 would be formed (000 divisions and many brigades). It was assumed that the choice of targets and time points for high-precision bp would be carefully selected for maxima. efficiency.
            It.d.. it.d. etc.. etc..
            1. SavranP
              SavranP 10 June 2022 11: 06
              +1
              In fact, the Russian Federation has about 400 thousand ground forces, according to open sources. This is out of a million and a little, in which all the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, together with the National Guard, are estimated. As far as we know, according to the experience of past wars, about half of the troops are in the first line (they go on the attack, sit in the trenches), the rest (the second line) provide and support the first. Consequently, the Russian Federation, having sent about (130-140) thousand to the battle, taking into account the rotation of the troops fighting, made it close to the maximum if mobilization was not carried out. The political leadership may have made a mistake by listening to the voices of refugees from Ukraine, who are very numerous in the Russian Federation. Most likely, it was they who assured that they would be able to raise the people of Ukraine against the Nazis. Hence the capture of Chernihiv, Sumy, Kharkov regions, without regional centers, fighting in the Kyiv region. Hence Putin's order to respect the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, to spare them if possible. When the reality turned out to be different, especially after the torture and murder of captured military personnel of the RF Armed Forces by Bandera, the second stage of hostilities began, where Bandera is simply and without any fuss being killed.
              1. bayard
                bayard 10 June 2022 14: 15
                +1
                And the General Staff of the RF Ministry of Defense did not know that the number of SVs in the Russian Federation was only 280 thousand?
                Plus Airborne Forces - 50?
                Plus MP Navy - 20 000?
                And that the allocation of even 100 of this total number (000 with cooks, clerks, "grooms" and "houndsmen") will already significantly weaken and expose other areas of the not always calm borders of our boundless Motherland?
                If there was no such understanding either in the General Staff or in the Supreme High Command, then ... this is such a quality.
                But since clinical feeble-minded people should not be found in such rooms, then again - what was the calculation for?
                And the calculation, obviously, was the panic of the Kyiv regime and the flight of the clown abroad. And for a coup d'état under pressure from the advancing Russian troops.
                That's just information about the forces and means concentrated against the Armed Forces of Ukraine Kyiv received not only from its sources. All NATO intelligence agencies worked for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And there they saw that the forces for a full-fledged operation in the RF Armed Forces were extremely insufficient.
                They just knew about it.
                And they talked about it.
                Therefore, the resistance was furious, because they have enough strength to repel, and fascism, in general, is a very strong ideology. And we already had enough time and reasons to make sure of this.
                Who convinced the political (precisely political) leadership of the country that there would be a coup in Kyiv and organized resistance would not take place is also known ... But counting on such an outcome, attracting such an insignificant squad of forces ... is unprofessionalism and arrogance.
                If the grouping was at least 300 thousand, the successfully launched offensives could be developed, the occupied territories could be filled (at least somehow) with rear units and units of the second line, ensuring the protection and security of communications. And so ... it turned out exactly as we all saw.
                And I am sure that not one of the serious experts who made forecasts even allowed the thought that an offensive from so many directions would be undertaken by such a meager (exactly) outfit of forces.
                And the enemy knew how many and in what numbers the Russian troops were concentrated near the borders, that mobilization, or simply a planned increase in the number of the RF Armed Forces, was not carried out. And therefore, he was not shy, but behaved assertively and boldly.
                And yet, even with such a phenomenal balance of power, in the very first days they were captured (and subsequently retained): Kherson, Zaporozhye and partly Kharkov regions.
                And the helicopter landing in Gostomel was simply unparalleled, with the subsequent advancement of troops to support him.
                So it is not the experts and "experts" of various talk shows who are to blame for such amazing miscalculations, but ... the quality of the overall planning of the operation. At the tactical level, and even at the operational level, everything looked and is quite worthy. Here are just miscalculations in high headquarters and offices that have to be corrected and compensated for by the courage and heroism of our soldiers - soldiers, officers and middle-level generals.

                I hope work on the mistakes in the Ministry of Defense and the apparatus of the Supreme is being carried out, and the conclusions and decisions will be correct.
                1. Osipov9391
                  Osipov9391 10 June 2022 15: 06
                  +2
                  There is someone from Ukraine, I don’t remember who in April blabbed that “our Western partners spoke about Russia’s aggression back in October 2021 and named the exact date of the attack for February 2022, on the 15-17th. And we were well prepared for this” .
                  This means that there is an agent network of Western intelligence services both in the General Staff, and in the Moscow Region and in the environment of the President, since such data is obtained and further shared.
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 10 June 2022 21: 08
                    +1
                    Since 1992, there have always been enough such agents, but the fact that these agents managed to convince the supreme that everything will go smoothly and there will be no resistance ... this is not even a question for them. But it is obvious that the hope and calculation were solely on this.
                    Underestimating the enemy has never led to good. But now all this is already in the past, the worst scenarios for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have been avoided, and today there is a systematic extermination of the military force and economic potential of the fascist regime. And today such mistakes are already impossible . The tactics of the 2nd stage were chosen correctly - grinding the enemy in small boilers in the Donbass and deploying sufficient forces to finally resolve the issue of fascism in Ukraine.
                    1. Osipov9391
                      Osipov9391 11 June 2022 00: 39
                      +2
                      So it's not about that now.
                      It is important that since October 2021, Ukraine has already had the opportunity to do a lot of things in terms of mobilization, deployment of reserve airfields, formation of territorial defense forces, and much more.
                      And the West also used time wisely. Worked out sanctions, weapons supplies and everything else.
                      In Russia they did not know this. They thought that as soon as there would be turmoil in the spring, they would make some noise, make a fuss and everything would calm down again.
                      But apparently, the US intelligence network obtained this information around August-September 2021, and shared it with Ukraine a month later.
                      Moreover, they probably did not just get dates and plans, but the most detailed details that somehow went into the hands of Ukraine.
                      Only with the date they cheated on February 15-17.
                      They knew the date and time of the Americans for sure. Just so as not to sow suspicion and not give out their agent network in Russia.
                      But fools blabbed from Ukraine. Although it has never been heard from the West that they warned Ukraine almost six months in advance.
                      1. bayard
                        bayard 11 June 2022 03: 23
                        +1
                        Yes, they blabbed and really knew. But then the results of the first days / weeks of the special operation become all the more impressive - in the very first days they were captured: Kherson region. , Zaporozhye (except Zaporozhye, including nuclear power plants), Sumy, Chernihiv ... And how brilliantly the landing operation was carried out in Gostomel.
                        And despite the prepared traps, the troops later left Kyiv without losses, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine arrived at their positions only 3 days later.
                        And all other tasks were completed.
                        Fantastically small outfit of forces.
                        And a very large group was blocked in Mariupol ... by much smaller forces ... and even with these forces they began to storm the city - Chechens and marines came up later.
                        Change in headquarters?
                        And she couldn't be. There and now (in the Kremlin and the top leadership) there are enough agents. But "if I know that you know that I know" ... you can play.
                        Right ?
                        Here comes the game.
                        And who is winning?
                        Whose prices have skyrocketed?
                        Trade deficit?
                        Panic in energy markets?
                        Whose currency is losing confidence?
                        Who don't the Arab oil sheiks even want to talk to?
                        Who, having applied all possible sanctions, suffers from his own foolishness?
                        And WHO receives superprofits from their export resources that have risen in price?
                        Who got rid of the notorious "Budget Rule"? (that's right - with a capital letter, but already in the past)
                        Who no longer asks for permission to monetize their economy up to 70% of GDP (instead of the existing 40%)?
                        And who is waging war with almost the entire NATO bloc on the territory of the former Ukraine, and winning?
                        Moreover, it wages war with extremely limited forces.
                        And who still does not run out of missiles?
                        These missiles have been in mass production since the beginning of the 00s (missiles for Iskanders, in all their diversity), so why should they end?
                        And more - about who knew what.
                        Almost a year before the start of the operation, the intelligence of the Russian Federation became aware of the plans to launch a broad offensive campaign of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass. Moreover, all possible scenarios of hostilities.
                        It became known about the plans of Kyiv to acquire nuclear weapons, and about the efforts in this direction. And about who and what helped them in this.
                        And about the plans and goals of the work of many biolaboratories of the Pentagon on the territory of the fascists of the Sumerian Kingdom.
                        And measures were taken.
                        Yes, it was not possible to get by with "little bloodshed" and "cosmetic measures".
                        Yes - the Ukrainian oligarchs betrayed once again.
                        Well, so much the worse for the oligarchs - now they will lose everything, because they have lost their chance for a conspiracy.
                        Everything turns out hard and bloody?
                        Yes . It is very difficult for the fascist state and the people enslaved by it, but it was his (the state) and their (the people) choice. "Your deeds will be rewarded to you." Now only denazification and tribunal.
                        Not only that - those limitrophes - the former provinces of the Russian Empire and the union republics of the Soviet Union, themselves gave Russia an EXHAUSTIVE reason (because they always had the right to do so) to stop their rampant separatism and nationalism, which had grown into Nazism and outright fascism. From now on, they LOST the right to independence.
                        In Russia, no mobilization was carried out and only a small part of the available forces was involved, but ... it wins with these limited forces, destroying at least 1000 fascists (killed) daily. To understand how many wounded, you can multiply this figure by at least 2.
                        Why on 2?
                        It seems to me that the Nazis have very large sanitary losses - they are very reluctant to provide assistance to their wounded, and black transplantologists are waiting for them (the wounded) in hospitals and infirmaries ... Alas, this is so. As a result, at least 3 soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are out of action per day. It's almost like a brigade.
                        And these are not exaggerated figures - the American general in charge of monitoring the situation in / in Ukraine calls the numbers of irretrievable losses up to 200 thousand! True, this figure is together with deserters.
                        This order of numbers is partly confirmed by independent sources in Ukraine itself - on social networks, wives and mothers who lost contact with their loved ones in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and did not receive any answer at the military registration and enlistment offices and at the request of the Ministry of Defense, called the figure "at least 100 thousand" a month ago . This is without taking into account those officially recognized as dead and prisoners of war (because in captivity we always give the opportunity to call relatives).
                        It’s even scary to imagine the order of losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, because how many cripples will remain besides the dead ...
                        And this is just for 100+ days of war.
                        And this is just the BEGINNING!
                        After all, so far the battles have been predominantly in the Donbass, when our soldiers are trying as much as possible to protect the lives of civilians ... For these are their own.
                        What do you think, will these people work like jewelry when the fighting starts ... let's say in Dnepropetrovsk?
                        And it’s scary for me to imagine how careful they will be when liberating western Ukraine from fascism ... It’s better for the Vuiks to immediately surrender to Lukashenka.
                        The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation switched to the Steam Roller mode, which travels slowly, but crushes everything with a guarantee.
                        And one more thing - after the West robbed the Russian State, its citizens and even (oh, horror) "Russian" oligarchs ... what do you think ... is it possible to negotiate with Russia now?
                        And what needs to be done to make such an opportunity (to agree) appear?
                        Do you even understand that the decision on the final solution of the issue of the collective West has already been made? It's just that the implementation of this decision has been somewhat postponed for the time being, in order to give the madmen a chance for at least one right deed ...
                        The West missed the chance for at least some kind of agreement ... there is no more trust in it.
                        Not even a shadow of this trust remains.
                        And I can’t even imagine WHAT this symbiosis of terrarium and leplosorium must do in order to be taken seriously.
                        A month later, the first execution will take place according to the decision of the Military Tribunal ... "slowly but surely the millstones are grinding" ...
              2. AdAstra
                AdAstra 12 June 2022 10: 28
                -2
                And to think that everything could be wrong, who prevented and interfered with acting on the basis of the worst option? If there are such "naive children" in the government, then what are they doing there?
        2. fax66
          fax66 9 June 2022 11: 56
          +6
          He is just offended that he listened to them and believed everyone, but here such a bummer.
          These experts entertain us and give us food for thought and their own assessments, our brains are trained. And everything...
          And making claims to them is the same as suing Chumak and Kashpirovsky for not curing your hemorrhoids on TV ...
          1. Zamira
            Zamira 9 June 2022 14: 08
            +2
            Quote: fax66
            These experts entertain us and give us food for thought and their own assessments, our brains are trained. And everything...

            I don't think "entertain" is the right word here. So-so, I will say, "entertainment". As for the rest, I agree. "Food for thought" - give. For those who are able to "reflect".
            Quote: fax66
            And making claims to them is the same as suing Chumak and Kashpirovsky for not curing your hemorrhoids on TV ...

            )))))))))) 100-500 pluses. :)
      3. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 9 June 2022 12: 04
        0
        Quote: Smoker
        Who is guilty? and what to do? - the most popular questions in Russia.

        Ask questions in the wrong order! First: 1.What to do? 2.Answer... 3.Done... 4. Who is to blame? (for what they did...) PS Do you remember Chernomyrdin's "wise saying"? "We wanted the best; but it turned out as always!"
      4. Quzmi4
        Quzmi4 9 June 2022 19: 40
        -1
        There is another eternal question.
        - Why is the infantry not following the tanks?
    2. Poetry
      Poetry 9 June 2022 11: 11
      +24
      Ad.
      "The director of the bazaar is responsible for the bazaar."

      By the way, many here on the site warned that it would not be possible to throw sweatshirts on the Armed Forces of Ukraine, long before the start of the SVO.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 9 June 2022 11: 31
        +10
        One king had this: "Weather predictors, if the prediction did not come true, boil in a cauldron as liars, and if it did, then throw it into the river in a bag of stones, like sorcerers." A little radical, but with taste .... yes good
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 9 June 2022 11: 38
          +3
          When prominent experts who give forecasts will begin to answer for their words
          and they, like meteorologists, are not responsible for anything ...
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        3. NNikolaich
          NNikolaich 9 June 2022 13: 06
          +2
          One king had this: "Weather predictors, if the prediction did not come true, boil in a cauldron as liars, and if it did, then throw it into the river in a bag of stones, like sorcerers." Somewhat radical, but tasteful.... yes good

          It's easier, of course, to just shoot these "weather forecasters", but they can still be useful - if you hang them, they will show the direction of the wind.))
    3. Cananecat
      Cananecat 9 June 2022 17: 12
      +4
      Actually, when I called these experts "talking heads", I was decently awarded minuses ....
  2. Anachoret
    Anachoret 9 June 2022 11: 08
    0
    There could be no other scenario) the statements of experts are not false, but are based on their own information and observations)
    But war also implies enemy countermeasures) and if in the early days Zelya was ready to flee, then later he was returned and reinforced by British guards) so that he would not run away if he))
    And the Kyiv elites were ready for several scenarios of a coup (pro-Russian, pro-Avakov, etc.) and in those days there was tough shooting-preparation and top officials from the SBU fired back in batches by the National Guard and the police) but, then, the overseas owner said that there would be no coups and there will be a war to exhaust Russia to the last Ukrainian)
    Are the experts wrong? No, the opponent's counterplay just turned on
    1. midivan
      midivan 10 June 2022 02: 42
      0
      [/ quote] And the Kyiv elites were ready for several scenarios of a coup (pro-Russian, pro-Avakov, etc.) and in those days there was tough shooting-preparation and top officials from the SBU shot back in batches by the National Guard and the police) but, then, the overseas owner said that there will be no coups and there will be a war to exhaust Russia to the last Ukrainian) [quote]
      Wow belay didn't even know that. But not so long ago I heard an interesting piece of information, I tried to think a lot about it, but my cart didn’t budge, or a step forward, and then a step back. Actually, here she is - a lot of money was poured into it, and how much, they answered me, you can’t even imagine! I believed it was weak to trust pennies and give them forward to the forelocks, this is about the same as throwing them away, but the appeal of the GDP to the military is to take power into their own hands, march to Kyiv no matter what, a quick withdrawal, the same experts who are on interruption repeated - flowers - victory in three days, and many other movements say that this option is not completely meaningless.
  3. alexey sidykin
    alexey sidykin 9 June 2022 11: 09
    +7
    I fully agree with the author, and support. Each expert must be responsible for his words.
    1. kulemin0025gmail.com
      kulemin0025gmail.com 9 June 2022 12: 30
      +1
      How should he answer - hang him or not allow him to talk shows? ))
      1. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 9 June 2022 12: 44
        +2
        And let those who are better versed in this decide. But this is unlikely to happen because everyone on the screen one way or another often says something that is not there. But in general, the threat of refusing to air can force a more balanced approach to what is being stated.
    2. VIT101
      VIT101 9 June 2022 18: 25
      +5
      Quote: Alexey Sedykin
      Each expert must be responsible for his words.


      In this case, it is not the expert who should be responsible for his words, but the one who makes the wrong decision. In addition, a decision of this kind should be made on the basis of intelligence information from special agencies and not on the basis of the speeches of a balabolka on a talk show. Unfortunately, no one will be responsible for the errors.
  4. sen
    sen 9 June 2022 11: 10
    +21
    Initially, the SVO was not planned as a real war, otherwise the RF Armed Forces would not have launched an offensive in several directions at once with the numerical superiority of the enemy, and in some cases without air cover, and would not have refused missile attacks on the barracks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the first weeks of the operation.

    Hat-throwing is chronic in our country. The enemy must be respected so as not to face surprises.
  5. Orik
    Orik 9 June 2022 11: 11
    +20
    Never! They are not experts, but for a good soldering they say what is beneficial to the authorities, they need to change their shoes in a jump, others are not allowed there - this is p-r-o-p-a-g-a-n-d-a.)
    But this is another question:
    Initially, the SVO was not planned as a real war, otherwise the RF Armed Forces would not have launched an offensive in several directions at once with the numerical superiority of the enemy, and in some cases without air cover, and would not have refused missile attacks on the barracks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the first weeks of the operation. There was a hope that Zelensky was fleeing from Kyiv, and that is why such “ducks” were spread in the media: as soon as the Russian army was a few kilometers from the Ukrainian capital, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not offer serious resistance, he would capitulate along with the Ukrainian regime.

    Here the complete failure is not of the IKsperts, but of the special services, and this is very alarming!
    1. DmSol
      DmSol 9 June 2022 12: 43
      -8
      why is it full? In the south, it was quite a ride and parts surrendered without a fight.
      1. Orik
        Orik 9 June 2022 12: 47
        +3
        Examples in the studio, how parts were given up in the south! There was no such thing, but the offensive developed perfectly, and this is just a flaw in the leadership that sufficient forces were not allocated for its development with the capture of Nikolaev and Odessa.
        1. DmSol
          DmSol 9 June 2022 12: 55
          -6
          are you in the studio? Live? So why are you so poorly prepared? There are plenty of examples in the Kherson region.
          1. Orik
            Orik 9 June 2022 13: 01
            0
            Stop this nonsense, examples in the studio.))
  6. Tagan
    Tagan 9 June 2022 11: 12
    +9
    making more and more “predictions”, but no one asks them, which, in fact, of your predictions came true?
    A real expert must make a lot of predictions and they will certainly contradict each other. Something will come true.
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 9 June 2022 11: 46
      +2
      Quote: Tagan
      A real expert must make a lot of predictions and they will certainly contradict each other. Something will come true.

      Exactly! And those who demand reliable forecasts from experts do not understand that all these shows are purely commercial enterprises. And the money in them is not made on the reliability of forecasts, but on advertising, which constantly interrupts these shows. And it does not correlate with the reliability of forecasts.
  7. acetophenone
    acetophenone 9 June 2022 11: 12
    -1
    This calculation was not justified. And those who gave false forecasts about the situation in Ukraine are also to blame for this. If initially the political leadership of the Russian Federation had real information, then perhaps the situation would have developed according to a different scenario.

    If the "political leadership of the Russian Federation" is guided by the opinion of the talking heads from the zombie, there is no need to fuss. It is necessary to wrap yourself in a sheet and slowly, without creating panic, crawl to the nearest cemetery.
    But, fortunately, this is not the case. Excuse me, do you know the abbreviation of the media? And the letter "M" what does it mean, you understand?
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 9 June 2022 11: 42
      +9
      our leadership seemed to be guided by the conclusions of such "experts", but "it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines .." and yes, experienced people, here on the site they warned that this would not be a walk, and "minuses" were raked.
      1. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 9 June 2022 12: 47
        +4
        Yeah ... and even more of those who throw hats on and soak everyone in the toilets ...
      2. Sergei Fonov
        Sergei Fonov 14 June 2022 20: 17
        -1
        Unfortunately, decision makers received recommendations from special services, and not from television experts.
  8. kytx
    kytx 9 June 2022 11: 15
    0
    How does the author imagine the responsibility of "experts" with TV? In fact, these are private individuals expressing their private opinion. And it is often wrong.
    Here it is necessary to ask those who invite these unfortunate experts.
    The same Credit, it is interesting to listen to him, he speaks convincingly, only now his forecasts stubbornly do not come true.
    1. kytx
      kytx 9 June 2022 12: 24
      +3
      *Kedmi
      Damn predictive input
  9. tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 9 June 2022 11: 17
    +1
    Those who appear on television are mostly balabols, their work is like that. The mistakes of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are not from them, there are other analysts who are also mistaken. That's just the price of their mistakes are usually fatal for ordinary military personnel.
    1. kytx
      kytx 9 June 2022 20: 32
      0
      Why are you explaining the obvious to me? Analysis in TV and from the trench 2nd big differences
      1. tatarin1972
        tatarin1972 9 June 2022 23: 42
        0
        The obvious is not the likely. Old Russian joke.
  10. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 9 June 2022 11: 18
    +4
    As Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee for the Development of Civil Society, General Vladimir Shamanov, said:

    Those who expected that we [in Ukraine] would be greeted with flowers... This is one of the main mistakes that we felt very keenly in the first five days of the special operation.


    Those who have been to Ukraine after 2014 know that what happened before has gone into oblivion. Now only people of the older generation (and they are all pensioners), though not with flowers, will be benevolent. Even the Russian people who arrived in Ukraine (not born there) look at the Russians as enemies, and how many of them are refugees in the western regions of Ukraine, where they are simply hated, but they go there "from the Russians." I don’t understand how Russian people were reborn into Ukrainians, but they will never become their own in Ukraine, but will be “damned Muscovites” for life. And everyone who lives in Ukraine is fighting "for Bandera", and "for Zelya", and "for Ridna Nenko", and to rob a neighbor.
    1. DenVB
      DenVB 9 June 2022 13: 39
      +9
      Quote: tihonmarine
      How Russian people were reborn into Ukrainians - I don’t understand

      But because for thirty years they have been exposed to Russophobic propaganda. And out of these thirty years, the last eight have been extremely vicious Russophobic propaganda, surpassing even the anti-Semitic propaganda in Germany in the 30s in intensity.

      And for the fact that these last eight years the population of the south-east of Ukraine has been subjected to such vicious Russophobic propaganda, our Supreme Commander-in-Chief is responsible. It was he who in 2014 leaked Donbass, Kharkov and Odessa to his "partners". Then they were ready to meet us with flowers, but now they hate us.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 9 June 2022 13: 50
        +3
        Well ... And if, for example, a "fortune teller" speaks, and next to him is a sign with a list of his fulfilled predictions and those that were not fulfilled? Of course, it’s better if this sign hangs around his neck, but we are not animals, and after all, we live in the 21st century ... wink
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 9 June 2022 13: 54
        +4
        Quote: DenVB
        It was he who in 2014 leaked Donbass, Kharkov and Odessa to his "partners". Then they were ready to meet us with flowers, but now they hate us.

        You are right in this. We lost in Ukraine, even Russians, although not all, but many.
      3. Dwellernet
        Dwellernet 10 June 2022 14: 39
        +2
        Not in 2014, but in 2004, when the first Maidan took place. And it was he who said the famous phrase: "We do not interfere in the affairs of sovereign states." And since we do not interfere, others will intervene, pursuing their own goals.
  11. fiv
    fiv 9 June 2022 11: 20
    -3
    The best predictors are the operational departments of headquarters. But for some reason, their predictions are classified and no one shares such predictions. Here they are responsible for the words. And to believe or not to believe in television oracles is a matter of taste for each individual consumer of television forecasts. The probability of seeing a pink elephant on the street is 50%, either you see it or you don't.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 9 June 2022 13: 52
      +11
      The operational departments of the headquarters ... And they predicted a lot of the right things on June 22, 1941 and in the Winter War, and actually in Afghanistan and Chechnya? And how much did these predictions help when those who make decisions do not want to listen to anything that is "unpleasant" for them? Even here at the forum, there will be a lot of those who from the very beginning soberly assessed Ukraine itself, Russia, the West, their capabilities and prospects for the development of events? Until now, "hats" are flying here ... Look, any Western assistance here is always assessed as "insufficient", "obsolete", "will not help", but our T-62 tanks, which are already seen in the first line, are described only as "quite a bit more", "wow, with proper use" ... How is this to be understood? We complain about "double standards", but what is better?
  12. stirrer
    stirrer 9 June 2022 11: 23
    +10
    Initially, the SVO was not planned as a real war, otherwise the RF Armed Forces would not have launched an offensive in several directions at once with the numerical superiority of the enemy, and in some cases without air cover, and would not have refused missile attacks on the barracks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the first weeks of the operation. There was a hope that Zelensky was fleeing from Kyiv, and that is why such “ducks” were spread in the media: as soon as the Russian army was a few kilometers from the Ukrainian capital, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not offer serious resistance, he would capitulate along with the Ukrainian regime.


    Well, that is, it is not the General Staff in the GRU or the FSB that are not to blame for the miscalculations, but the media, it turns out. Then you need to judge Leontiev right now, whether he has been hanging up on the collapse of the dollar for 10 years, or Khazin has also been burying the world economy for more than 10 years, who else is Glazyev, Mikhalkov, etc.
    All these “experts” on television work within the framework of propaganda lowered from the very top, so if you blame someone, you need to go up there.
  13. Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 9 June 2022 11: 25
    0
    No one will ever talk publicly and make some kind of accurate forecasts about their plans ... In the same USSR, you would have found some information about tanks older than T62 or su. 27. And so that the General Staff would tell exactly about any plans for several years / months ... Those who were interested could well be called "for a conversation" ... Now give everyone forecasts, and more precisely, but several years in advance.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 9 June 2022 11: 49
      +1
      In the magazine "Behind the wheel" (and there was a military page there) in the early and mid-80s they wrote about the T-72 tank.) But there was no mention of the T-64 for sure. As for the T-80, I can’t remember if they wrote it or not.
      1. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 9 June 2022 12: 54
        0
        Quote: Sergej1972
        In the magazine "Behind the wheel" (and there was a military page there) in the early and mid-80s they wrote about the T-72 tank.) But there was no mention of the T-64 for sure. As for the T-80, I can’t remember if they wrote it or not.

        Not but they didn’t write ... I didn’t come across.
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  15. Ingvar7
    Ingvar7 9 June 2022 11: 32
    0
    Does anyone really take them seriously? These are showmen, this is their way of earning. One chatter ... It was worth watching Zhirinovsky, and now - only reports from the front ...
    1. bulgaria_
      bulgaria_ 9 June 2022 12: 27
      +1
      "Missile forces and artillery hit: 68 command posts, 172 artillery firing positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including two batteries of Smerch multiple launch rocket systems in the area of ​​Oleksandrivka and Kutuzovka, a battery of Uragan MLRS near the settlement of Kitsevka, Kharkiv region, and also 261 areas of concentration of manpower and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine”.

      According to him, as a result of the strikes, more than 320 nationalists, four ammunition depots in the Novolenovka district of the Zaporozhye region, nine armored vehicles, three Grad multiple rocket launchers, 15 field artillery guns and mortars, 14 special vehicles, as well as military machines of anti-aircraft missile systems "Buk-M1" in the area of ​​Shelkoplyasy and "Osa-AKM" in Verkhnyaya Roganka, Kharkov region.

      Well, yes, believe me, there are 261 nationalists in 320 districts - that's how many - 1.5 people per district or what?
      When the head of the Russian Bank responds for the arrest of 300 billion, then Leonkov, Nikonov and the company will respond. By the way, sometimes there are good episodes of these series. And ... my respect for Artem Sheinin.
      1. fiv
        fiv 9 June 2022 14: 09
        -3
        What is incomprehensible, dear Bulgarian? During the observation, they found an equipped place where bandits clustered, indicated in the intelligence report. Artillery was handed over. During the work, the artillerymen also struck at the indicated coordinates. The bandits have already left. So it turns out - the area of ​​​​concentration is covered, manpower has not been destroyed.
    2. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 9 June 2022 12: 55
      +5
      And what about Zhirinovsky? For me, the same balabol.
    3. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 9 June 2022 15: 06
      +6
      Are you talking about showmen? Are you saying don't pay attention to them? And the fact that they receive huge money from the budget for their chatter, how is it? For the fact that they deceive us, we pay them!
      No, these are not showmen, these are people in the service and receive huge money for their service.
  16. Alex66
    Alex66 9 June 2022 11: 36
    +5
    Our officials are not responsible for the consequences of their decisions, what to pester "experts", especially on a TV show, where everything is scheduled, what to say and when to clap.
  17. faiver
    faiver 9 June 2022 11: 37
    +6
    We remember Bulgakov and project it onto the present - do not watch political reviews on TV before eating, but better not watch at all ....
  18. Whowhy
    Whowhy 9 June 2022 11: 38
    +3
    What, is it time to look for "scapegoats"?
  19. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 9 June 2022 11: 43
    +7
    I don't get the point of the article...
    How to make these experts "responsible for their words"?
    Judge something? Penalize? Issue a reprimand?
    And why?..
    They are participants in television shows.
    The purpose of which is to create a stable public opinion.
    We have the same goals. The opposing side has others.
    I've watched xoxlyatskie TV shows. Roof can come off...
    We are all different, gentlemen - comrades.
    And our attitudes are different. And there are cheers-patriots and all-weapons, etc. etc.
    The viewer himself must draw a conclusion from any talk show.
    Who is a real expert, and who is a balalaika...
    I've done it. Made lists for myself. I don't believe in everyone. And from someone it just turns back ...
    Not just everything. You have to have your own opinion.
    Own. hi
    1. fax66
      fax66 9 June 2022 12: 16
      +1
      And don’t say ... Otherwise, I’m looking right here, only “concrete men” have gathered who are ready to answer for every word and written letter ...
  20. begemot20091
    begemot20091 9 June 2022 11: 44
    -3
    And Mr. Biryukov here in the role of Belinsky = also earns extra money. Let him go to Red Square, show his proletarian ass to Solovyov and tell Y. Kedmi that he is lying. Biryukov to the above as to China with cancer
  21. rocket757
    rocket757 9 June 2022 11: 48
    +1
    When prominent experts who give forecasts will begin to answer for their words
    The question is ... and when, at what times did the forecasts, secret, personal, public, all come true and necessarily ???
    Those who listen and believe / act according to those forecasts, will he think with his own head in any way and never ???
    It is not in vain that scientists warn that the process of brain degradation is noticeable in humanity and the prospects are NOT RAINBOW!?!?!? Maybe for these forecasts claims to be presented to scientists, to the pillory of their scotch tape ???
    By the way, what reasons do scientists call??? Yes, they began to think, memorize less by entrusting this process to vital functions for human development, "smart machines" and other different ones !!!
    so you can "be smart" and stay with brains the size of a walnut !!!
  22. trophy
    trophy 9 June 2022 11: 48
    0
    Yes, spit on these balabols. As the classic said: "The mouth is closed-the materiel in the original." But when will the leadership begin to answer for their words? That is the question. And then the citizens have a misleading opinion that the decision-making center is located in Ukrzaliznytsya.
  23. Swiffer25
    Swiffer25 9 June 2022 11: 49
    0
    Experts can also be bad...
  24. kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 9 June 2022 11: 52
    0
    Of course, there were and are both experts and citizens of hatred moods. Although among the people from the TV there were those who called more realistic dates for the NWO. For example, the same Kurginyan immediately said that the operation would last until the end of the summer. By and large, if it was a one-on-one disassembly, then the operation would have already been completed - the dill would already have nothing to fight with and nothing to pour into the tanks of equipment. But we are opposed to a whole bloc that is waging a proxy war against Russia. So the deadlines are getting longer. And in this confrontation, we do not need "victory at any cost", since the goal of the West is not so much the victory of dill, but the weakening of Russia. And killing a bunch of people for the sake of victory by a certain date will be wrong.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 9 June 2022 11: 57
      0
      that's right, better slowly but at a lower cost
  25. Woodman
    Woodman 9 June 2022 11: 54
    -1
    "Experts" who give forecasts to the public "are not responsible for the market" solely because these statements are their private opinion. If anyone is to be held accountable for such an "opinion", it is the journalists who disseminate such opinions. At the same time, when asking the "opinion" of such "experts", journalists do not bother to check how reliable the previous forecasts turned out to be. But such "experts" can be held accountable only if their statements sow panic or contradict the law. STATE decisions based on public forecasts are never made. Such decisions are made on the basis of serious analysis. And analysts providing such an analysis in the media will never light up. And if their forecast does not come true, they will also "answer" quietly, without publicity.
  26. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 9 June 2022 11: 55
    +1
    A good expert, no matter in what area, differs from a bad one, only in that he can always explain why his predictions did not come true.) Although it is not possible to deny direct harm from all sorts of Gregs, Kedmi, Kulikovs ... but only because it happened on Tue substitution of the concept of an expert, a showman (whose task is to entertain, to be a buffoon, to carry all kinds of game ... and it doesn’t matter with a smart or not very look, the main thing is that the content comes in). And if they are essentially not experts, if there is no expert opinion, then it cannot be erroneous.
  27. svp67
    svp67 9 June 2022 11: 56
    0
    Without understanding the answer to this question, you do not realize the essence of the problem, so we will try to reveal it in sufficient detail.
    The author, it seems, either did not live at all or was very small in Soviet times ... "So big, but he believes in fairy tales ..."
  28. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 9 June 2022 11: 57
    +4
    I don’t understand why these experts are constantly running around neighboring studios. Turn on channel 1. 4-5 people are standing, talking about something. Good. OK. We switch to the 2nd ... About a miracle! They talk about the same things, and the same people. Oh, the open broadcast on the Star begins! Joyfully press the button... The same people, the same topics. We return to the 1st. The presenters have changed, the name has changed, from "Time will tell" to "The Great Game". Only two things have not changed: the theme and the "experts". I wonder if they get paid? If yes, I suggest: repeated, it doesn’t matter, on the same channel or on the next one, it means that I didn’t receive money. For the third time, he told about the same - be kind enough to deposit the amount of the fee into the channel's cashier.
    1. Blade2
      Blade2 9 June 2022 12: 26
      0
      Recently, it so happened, I ended up in a rented apartment with a telecom. I decided to watch .... Some series, performances and talk shows about people's gender problems. Of the probably 20 channels, only one was with a discussion of Ukraine!!!
      1. Dilettante grandfather
        Dilettante grandfather 9 June 2022 17: 34
        0
        1 channel from morning to evening drives Time will show the Great game. It's about SVO. According to the second, Skabeeva does the same at this time. Zvezda broadcasts open air twice a day, also entirely on this topic. Plus, there is also a special report on events on the front line.
  29. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 9 June 2022 12: 01
    +3
    Does the author regret that the forecasts did not come true? So they hoped for them, but they meanly deceived? You need to have a head on your shoulders. As they say in the East: "Trust in Allah, but tie the camel." So here, rely on forecasters, but also move your brains. "Daden's head, not only wear a hat" (c)
    1. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 9 June 2022 12: 40
      -1
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      Does the author regret that the forecasts did not come true? So they hoped for them, but they meanly deceived? You need to have a head on your shoulders.

      lol
      Our Guarantor declared to the whole world that his Western partners cheated / cheated ....
      What are your claims to the author then? wink
  30. Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 9 June 2022 12: 03
    +4
    Everyone hears what they want to hear.
    As for the experts, I heard or read one expert that the increase in prices is due to our general poverty and misery. Moreover, the expert convincingly proved.
    1. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 9 June 2022 12: 35
      0
      Quote: Not the fighter
      As for the experts, I heard or read one expert that the price increase is due to our general poverty and poverty

      Quote the expert, otherwise they will believe in the truth in such predictions. laughing
  31. Blade2
    Blade2 9 June 2022 12: 07
    +1
    Understand that all your reaction to unfulfilled expert forecasts is entirely your personal problems.

    Decisions taken by the Government and the General Staff are obviously not based on their forecasts. Look at the Meetings of the Security Council, if only for the sake of interest, so as not to discuss the "air".

    By God, how small, solid kindergarten
    1. Svateev
      Svateev 10 June 2022 18: 47
      0
      Quote from blade2
      View Security Council Meetings

      Where can you see?
  32. Boratsagdiev
    Boratsagdiev 9 June 2022 12: 10
    0
    Everything is easier - to ask from the "TV channels" which these programs show and suit.
    The bulk of these "experts" are ordinary showmen and talkers (some even with education and degrees) who, in their essence, have no direct relation to the problems raised in the show.
  33. Leshak
    Leshak 9 June 2022 12: 12
    0
    Yes, not these talking heads should listen to the General Staff, but intelligence and trust it. Of course, if intelligence works with facts, and does not draw information from the same talkers or social networks.
  34. Saboteur_Navy
    Saboteur_Navy 9 June 2022 12: 18
    -2
    Everyone has already forgotten what Korotchenko said ...
  35. Antor
    Antor 9 June 2022 12: 26
    0
    Experts are not gods, and since for many of them this is a good addition to their pensions and salaries, so they try to tell us something to the best of their knowledge .... how it will be ... and they really don’t have responsibility sometimes . . including and for frank boltology !!!! Another question is why the professionals of the army and foreign intelligence could not give an accurate forecast of how the Armed Forces of Ukraine would act when our Armed Forces were brought in during the special operation .... and here everything turned out to be much more dangerous !!!? I hope and believe that serious conclusions have been drawn...and this will not happen again in the future, because you cannot underestimate the enemy even on the mat, not to mention in bloody battles!!!
    And the Show is the Show, so you can evaluate the program of V. Solovyov, who has a lot of information, but depending on how to perceive and interpret it, he and his guests are not prophets like Vanga or Nostradamus and sometimes have very pronounced personal sympathies or antipathies for one or another discussed characters and events. The main thing in my opinion is that they make us think, empathize and analyze our actions and those around us in this skipping, rapidly changing world !!!
  36. seacap
    seacap 9 June 2022 12: 27
    +2
    Never, in any case, in modern conditions. Our ministers and "gifted reformers" did not answer for anything that they did with fury and passion, jumping out of their pants and tights, in the desire to become the "beloved wife" of the harem of the overseas overlord, destroying the state and all the achievements of our glorious ancestors, depriving children and grandchildren of a sane future, selling everything in a row, exporting wealth on the stream, obviously and openly sabotaging any hints of progress and development. All of them, who betrayed, destroyed and sold out, for the sake of their own ambitions and the petty-bourgeois indefatigable desire for enrichment, for the sake of the basest desires, not disdaining any methods, deceit and crimes, having lost the last rudiments of conscience, pride and dignity, all of them now, arrogant , swaggering and pompous, looking over their heads, they are all in power, continue to sleep softly and eat sweetly, creating an inherited estate society, divided by an abyss of living standards, different interests, goals, attitudes towards their country and environment. None of them took any responsibility for actions bordering on direct sabotage and treason, destroying the world's leading branches of HX, science and education, who pursued a policy bordering on the genocide of their own population, when the death rate exceeded the figures of the 38th year, so "cherished and idolized" by liberals of all stripes. What responsibility do the Duma deputies bear with half a million salaries, it is not known who they represent and who they are elected, and in bulk at a cabal? What is the responsibility of workers like the judicial system, passing sentences with inadequate terms, for "... what called for publicly complying with the laws of the state, but meant something else ..."? Who answered and will answer for the fact that the so-called. Have the elections in the country been turned into a hypocritical and cynical farce and an imitation of some body movements? Etc. etc., so it’s already necessary to disassemble and ask responsibility from some people who are in the service and servants of the “upper class” (it’s hard to call the elite the language, the elite are the guys in the Ruin, in Donetsk and Lugansk, in the army and in the navy, in the fields and at the blast furnace, in design offices and on stocks, etc.), they have such a job, they are paid money for blah blah blah, they, as a rule, can’t do anything else, what kind of they are responsible for entertainment and airtime, they are not responsible for anything, they do not create anything, some girls will be promoted at the same time, maybe someone will notice from the "daddies", no harm is good, so take time, is someone really takes it seriously?
  37. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 9 June 2022 12: 28
    0
    If initially the political leadership of the Russian Federation had real information, then perhaps the situation would have developed according to a different scenario.

    belay
    That is, the author thereby says that our strategic tasks are planned on the basis of the opinion of show political scientists, or is it such a transfer of arrows to political jesters from the real culprits in miscalculating the assessment of the situation?
    What can I say... Don't watch TV. There is one show everywhere. For money and for them. lol
  38. seacap
    seacap 9 June 2022 12: 31
    +1
    Quote from: stirrer
    Well, that is, it is not the General Staff in the GRU or the FSB that are not to blame for the miscalculations, but the media, it turns out.

    This is a modern level of analytics and planning after the "glorious times" of the "effective furniture production manager" and leadership
  39. parusnik
    parusnik 9 June 2022 12: 55
    +3
    When prominent experts who give forecasts will begin to answer for their words

    "- Take this Kant, but for such evidence for three years in Solovki!" - Ivan Nikolayevich thumped quite unexpectedly.
    - Ivan! whispered Berlioz, embarrassed. But the proposal to send Kant to Solovki not only did not impress the foreigner, but even delighted him.
    “Precisely, exactly,” he shouted, and his green left eye, turned to Berlioz, flashed, “there is a place for him!” After all, I told him then at breakfast: You, professor, your will, came up with something awkward! It may be clever, but painfully incomprehensible. They will make fun of you." (c)
    Michael Bulgakov . The Master and Margarita
  40. DenVB
    DenVB 9 June 2022 13: 00
    +3
    Why should only experts answer? We have complete impunity in all areas.

    Officials who fail the assigned area of ​​work are transferred to another, with an increase.

    The reformers, who have caused catastrophic damage to the economy, sit in sinecures for decades, then leave unhindered to their curators.

    Bankers and "participatory builders" who stole the money of people who trusted them, freely take away the stolen goods abroad and go there themselves - to live beautifully from the profit.

    State financiers, who gave the enemies fantastic amounts of money, sit quietly in their posts and continue to destroy the financial sector - to the delight of the same enemies.

    Generals throwing columns of troops and equipment under artillery fire continue to act as generals.

    And so on and so forth.
  41. iouris
    iouris 9 June 2022 13: 27
    +5
    These "prominent experts" work in the state propaganda system. All questions to those who finance.
  42. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 9 June 2022 13: 35
    0
    Chicanery! We are talking about the military component, and here are the statements - POLITICAL SCIENTISTS! This is how a survey is conducted by well-known centers, we ask the shoemaker how to cook borscht, and the cook how to sew boots.
  43. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 9 June 2022 14: 24
    -3
    = This calculation was not justified. And those who gave false forecasts about the situation in Ukraine are also to blame for this. If initially the political leadership of the Russian Federation had real information, then perhaps the situation ... =
    Do you seriously think that the "political leadership of the Russian Federation" draws information from talk shows? And in his plans he relies on the "forecasts" of political scientists?
  44. Luminman
    Luminman 9 June 2022 14: 29
    -2
    Quote: tihonmarine
    How Russian people were reborn into Ukrainians - I don’t understand

    When a Ukrainian gets smarter, he immediately becomes Russian. But sometimes it's the other way around... wink
  45. Maks1995
    Maks1995 9 June 2022 14: 51
    +3
    Naive and contrived.
    If you remember how on TV they let a nasty plump Ukrainian, presented as an "expert"
    it is immediately clear that these experts of power are both necessary and necessary.

    As a distraction from reality, as informational noise, as a means of fooling and reducing the intellect of the population, and as attaching all sorts of necessary people and relatives to high salaries.

    When the polished experts, M and F, without a single wrinkle, in stylish suits, who have not held a laptop heavier in their hands for a long time, begin to rub each other on TV about the world’s unmet analogs, and some wrinkled old man-designer only remains silent and occasionally agrees ....
    -immediately smacks of cheap staged lies.

    And lies are always well paid. For crested lies and ostentatious stupidity. For hatred of the unnameable. For obkakivanie from afar all sorts of foreign politicians. For scandals, insult and slander on the air.
    For the ability to instantly shut up, when suddenly the "murderer and terrorist" Endogan instantly turns into a "strategic partner"

    Most people never get that kind of money. Profitable, comfortable, safe, and you will never have to answer for words...

    Yours for the same ....
    Look how Medvedev began to hate Omerika as soon as his son was kicked out of Omerika .... and earlier Boeing lobbied and the domestic aviation industry spread rot ....
  46. Dedok
    Dedok 9 June 2022 15: 36
    +2
    and who determined that they are experts? - this is the first;
    And what is the purpose of the media to hold these discussions? - this is the second;
    And finally, who is behind this? - or as V.I. Lenin: Who benefits from this?
  47. Vasya_Piterskiy
    Vasya_Piterskiy 9 June 2022 15: 40
    +2
    If initially the political leadership of the Russian Federation had real information, then perhaps the situation would have developed according to a different scenario.

    I very much doubt that the leadership, preparing for the NWO and developing plans for promotion, referred to polit. talk show. Why then do we have tactics and strategists in the army?
    1. ViktorBiryukov
      9 June 2022 16: 47
      +2
      You took my words too literally. The decision on the NWO was made on the basis of an incorrect assessment of the situation in Ukraine. Some experts, most likely, voiced the "order" of those who were responsible for the Ukrainian direction and wrote the relevant reports. The accuracy of which we have the opportunity to observe. Of course, those who made such reports should also answer, but the article is about something else - experts are talking nonsense, but they are still considered "authoritative". Simply because they are already recognizable on TV.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 10 June 2022 06: 55
        -3
        Quote: Viktor Biryukov
        the decision on the NWO was made on the basis of an incorrect assessment of the situation in Ukraine

        sorry for the tactless question, but are you included in the circle of people who were present at the voicing of this very decision?
        sorry, but you are no better than the experts from the box and nonsense is your article
        it follows from it that it is necessary to give to the court the writers of historical novels, for a deuce in the history of a student who studied the subject not from a textbook, but from the pages of literary works
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  49. faterdom
    faterdom 9 June 2022 16: 42
    -1
    The most measured and careful real! a military expert from the now broadcast - Colonel Khodarenok M. M. and now he never threw his hats, not a year ago, not three years, not since the beginning of the operation.
    Another question is who does the mass audience want to listen to? Violent and decisive Kedmi, or "timid" Khodarenko? The answer is obvious.
    As for the exclusive audience... It's a different story altogether. It is best illustrated by the episode when BEN dismissed the Minister of Defense and then the Chief of the General Staff within five minutes, when they, one after another, began their report with the fact that so much money was needed to reform the Armed Forces. And these figures were calculated at night by hundreds of specialists, substantiated to every penny, but only the tsar wanted to hear otherwise - how much funding could be cut, calling it like "reforms".
    So - what is the audience, so are the singers (people hawala). Moreover - if the Main Spectator, he is the Best Friend of Athletes (hello Kokorin and Mamaev), who pays - how can you upset him?
  50. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
    0
    It would be nice to put these "Ekperds" on the front now and arm them with flowers, posters and disks with records of their "forecasts" .... The boobies themselves, the leaders, were introduced into fornication and the ears of the people fell off the pasta! Bastards, in a word!
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 10 June 2022 06: 50
      0
      Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
      The boobies themselves, led the leaders into fornication

      Are you serious?!!!!!
      1. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
        Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 10 June 2022 12: 10
        +3
        Do you doubt? I am surprised when ordinary people who suddenly find themselves in various positions in a strange way are endowed with some special qualities, a "third" eye and a gift of foresight like Grandma Vanga! They are forced to make certain decisions, and the responsibility that inevitably follows the adoption frightens them just like us. They are also looking for support, useful and pleasant messages and conclusions! They need it even more than us ordinary people.
        This is how "directors of the Centers for Strategic Studies", "Presidents of the Institutes of World Policy Expertise" and so on and so forth appear... No wonder they say: you don't need to deceive me, I'm glad to be deceived myself!
        In my lifetime, we already drove a Mercedes into Grozny, just now we "driven" with loaves and flowers into the NWO ..... The consequences of what is there, what is obvious here.
        Thank God, our military battalion-regimental level quickly draw the right conclusions and learn the tactics of today and the moment even faster. Themselves! Without "experts", "Consultants" and "advisers"!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 10 June 2022 14: 11
          0
          Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
          Do you doubt it?

          that the country's leadership bases its decisions on the "inferences" of the "experts" from the talk show?!
          yes I doubt
          1. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
            Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 10 June 2022 16: 41
            +1
            Not so bold, Vladimir ... about the leadership! I say the essence of what is happening and I am afraid in my soul that there are no gods at all. That there, too, certain persons present certain information to certain persons in the form of not upsetting and encouraging "conclusions". If it is impossible for you to imagine, if there is still no understanding of what happened not so long ago, then so be it for you.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 10 June 2022 17: 32
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              Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
              in the form of not upsetting

              theoretically quite, but certainly not from a TV box
        2. HefeDMB69
          HefeDMB69 13 June 2022 08: 47
          0
          Are they properly trained? But why is the Poroshenko-Maginot line not that, sir ... Although concrete pillboxes with armored caps have not been presented to the public?