Donated IRIS-T in Ukraine: is it worth praising like that?

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New boast of the Ukrainian side: Germany will supply Ukraine with the latest IRIS-T anti-aircraft missile systems. And this can significantly complicate the work of the Russian aviation and generally speaking.

Unfortunately, on our side there were "experts" (on Channel One, of course), who began to praise the new air defense system. They say that the missiles are deadly, it is impossible to notice them, it is unrealistic to distract them.



Naturally, it is worthwhile to impartially consider this air defense system, if only in order to simply understand whether it is really so dangerous for Russian aircraft.

Donated IRIS-T in Ukraine: is it worth praising like that?

To say that the IRIS-T rocket is something new and breakthrough can only be an "expert" from television. The project was developed by the whole of Europe and not only. Canada participated in the project, which, however, then withdrew from the work on the creation of the rocket. And so they built almost the whole of Europe.

Germany built the rocket as the main contractor, contributed 64% of the money and was responsible for the homing head.
Italy took over 19% of the funding and work on the engine.
Sweden contributed 18% of the budget and created the onboard computer, the data processing unit.
Greece contributed 13% and created a warhead.
Norway contributed 4% of the budget and engine work.
Canada, before leaving, worked out the issue of rudders.

The list of companies participating in the project is impressive, there are many names that are very closely related to the world of weapons: Saab Bofors Dynamics (Sweden), NAMMO (Norway), MBDA-IT (Italy), LITAL (Italy), Magnaghi (Italy) , Simmel (Italy), SENER (Spain), ICSA (Spain), EXPAL (Spain), INTRACOM (Greece), HDS (Greece). The main contractor is Diehl BGT Defense (Germany).

The development of the rocket went on for exactly 10 years, from 1995 to 2005. After a series of tests, the IRIS-T was adopted by the Luftwaffe. Initially, the rocket was created as an air-to-air class.

The result was an all-weather and universal missile, suitable for hitting targets, including in conditions of maneuverable combat at close range. IRIS-T was supposed to replace the American AIM-9X missile and the British ASRAAM, which, according to the German command, did not meet the requirements of the time and, most importantly, were inferior in performance to the Soviet R-73 missile.

IRIS-T has become part of the armament of the Typhoon, Tornado, Gripen, F-16 and F-18 fighters.


The rocket turned out to be very successful. A dual-mode solid-propellant engine from Fiat-Avia accelerated the rocket to a speed of 3M, in addition, the engine was equipped with a thrust vector control system, which, coupled with aerodynamic rudders, provided the highest maneuverability. According to the calculations of the designers, the IRIS-T could perform maneuvers with an overload of up to 60g and have a 180-degree turn radius that is half that of the P-73.

Warhead missiles, created by Greek designers, high-explosive fragmentation, weighing 11,4 kg. Undermining is carried out by a non-contact radio fuse, or an ordinary contact one.

The homing head, created by German engineers and the inertial control system from the Italians, provide the rocket with very tenacious and accurate guidance. The IR matrix is ​​fixed, and the elements of the optical system are placed on a suspension and provide an angle of "view" up to +/- 90 degrees. The digital data processing system guarantees high calculation speed, noise immunity and reliable target acquisition with subsequent auto-tracking.

The first part of the flight is carried out by the rocket on a GPS signal, and the homing system is activated directly next to the target. As it approaches the target, the data processing system compares the image of the target obtained by the optical system and the images of typical targets stored in the memory of the data block. Thus, missile guidance is difficult to bring down by interference or maneuvering. Moreover, the algorithms of the guidance unit allow you to select the most vulnerable areas of the target to hit from the database.

Advanced European electronics make it possible to target the missile both from on-board sighting devices and from modern helmet-mounted ones. The missile is launched after the target is captured, but it is also possible according to the primary target designation. Due to its high maneuverability, IRIS-T can be launched at target viewing angles of more than 90 degrees and even beyond the viewing angles of the seeker. This makes it possible to use the IRIS-T as an anti-missile defense of the aircraft.

The high degree of adaptation of the IRIS-T missile makes it possible to use all launchers of AIM-9 missiles of all modifications for launching.

The only downside of IRIS-T is its short range.

The maximum reliable range of the IRIS-T missile is only about 20 km. The IRIS-T's capture and guidance capabilities were impressive, but it is worth noting that in the same 1995, when work on the missile had just begun, the RVV-SD or R-77 missile was adopted in Russia. This is a medium-range missile, slightly larger in mass, but not much inferior in terms of its combat characteristics.

A short-range missile is a very effective weapon, a point-blank missile is a hard-to-intercept target for any aircraft. But the main problem of an aircraft armed with such missiles is that it still needs to be approached at a confident launch distance. And preferably unnoticed.

As an example, you can take the trivial Eurofighter-Typhoon with AMRAAM medium-range missiles and AIM-9 short-range missiles and oppose it with the Su-35S with medium-range R-77 and long-range R-37.


The distance of a confident defeat for a Russian fighter will be 250 km more than for a European. The situation is similar to that of a shooter with a pistol, who is confronted in the field by an enemy with an automatic rifle.

So how successful IRIS-T is is still a question.

But the Europeans went further and created the SL / SLM ground-based anti-aircraft missile system based on IRIS-T. The rocket for the complex was modified by installing a more powerful engine and increasing the amount of fuel.


Thanks to the work carried out, the range of the missile increased to 40 km, and the reach in height - 20 km.

To the standard inertial-satellite guidance, radio channel guidance was added in the main section of the missile’s flight, and in the final section, like that of an air-launched missile, the IR-GOS operates.

A multifunctional radar is responsible for detecting and tracking targets. Different SAM configurations used different radars, the Swedish Saab "Giraffe", the Australian CEA Technologies CEAFAR radar with an active phased array. The BMD-Flex control and communication system of the Danish company Terma A / S and the Oerlikon Skymaster combat control system manufactured by Rheinmetall Air Defense.

The radar provides target designation with an infrared seeker, can track up to 200 targets and direct missiles at 24 selected ones. The radar is protected against anti-radar or tactical missiles.

The standard launcher of the SLM variant is made on the chassis of a MAN SX 45 (8x8) car

Features:

Maximum firing range, km: 25 (according to other sources 12.5)
Maximum flight speed, M: 3
Combat ceiling, m: 20
Starting weight, kg: 87,4
The mass of the warhead, kg: 11,4
Operating range of wavelengths of GOS, microns: 3-5

If you look at the air defense system, then it is good in numbers. A modern radar station, modern electronics protection, a fairly fresh missile... We can say that it could even be a competitor to the Torah, but...

But for this it would be very useful to conduct normal tests in a combat situation. In the conditions of jamming, external influences in the form of the use of artillery and army aviation, and so on.


And here the most interesting begins.

Yes, Germany promised Ukraine these air defense systems. In quantities not yet determined, but promised. Together with modern radars and self-propelled guns PzH 2000. However, you should not rejoice as prematurely as the media in Ukraine do.

Here you can remember how Poland delivered to Ukraine Tanks T-72 (in an ugly state, we note), waiting in response to the "Leopards" 2A4 under the "circular exchange" program. Old Soviet tanks have made their way to Ukraine, but Leopards have not yet made it to Poland.

And now Mr. Scholz, Chancellor of Germany, promises "a lot of tasty things" to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

In fact, an air defense system with IRIS-T missiles is not such a gift. The complex only finished testing in 2022, and the fact is known that the Bundeswehr itself has such a number of these complexes that the Germans could painlessly transfer to Ukraine. After all, this means that it will be possible to really say goodbye to them.

So the "some amount" that the Germans can send to the Ukrainians will be very small. I think that their number will not exceed 10 units. Even in order to protect a certain number of the most important objects, this is not enough.

But in order to conduct a full test is enough.

After all, what is the main problem of Ukrainian air defense? We have already considered this issue on our pages more than once. The main problem of the Ukrainian sky is the lack of a layered air defense system. And in our case, also the system that was thoroughly chipped by the blows of the Russian troops.

Therefore, single deliveries of German air defense systems will not change the situation at all. Moreover, the German media has repeatedly raised the topic of dissatisfaction with the military of the Bundeswehr, who disagree with the fact that new equipment, which has not even been properly mastered, is given away for no reason somewhere to nowhere.

Indeed, it is one thing to give away old Soviet tanks, planes, helicopters, guns and ammunition for them, and another to give away your new equipment. For which, unlike the Soviet one, it was paid for in full euros.

So, despite all the cries of joy from “in Ukraine”, single deliveries of new air defense systems (which in fact are not so new) will not be able to rectify the situation at all. To give the German military an idea of ​​the value of IRIS-T in real-world applications - yes. But you should not count on the fact that the attraction of unprecedented generosity will continue for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the future.


In addition, it will be useful for our side. It will be useful to know how our Vitebsk can withstand IRIS-T. And will the German infrared seeker magically work so much.

Nothing personal, this is no longer a political business. It's just that armies need to know what their equipment is capable of. And the fact that the Germans want to organize this at the expense of Ukraine - well, who will forbid it, right?
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  1. +4
    6 June 2022 05: 08
    And what about the Germans, they threw firewood, and now they will watch how great the war is going until the last Ukrainian
    1. +25
      6 June 2022 05: 19
      In addition, it will be useful for our side. It will be useful to know how our Vitebsk can withstand IRIS-T. And will the German infrared seeker magically work so much.


      It's great to test this on our own pilots! Magically! Well done author.
      1. +2
        6 June 2022 06: 24
        bloomers and so they bring down their own ...
        All evening in the Ukrainian Social networks and channels there was a joyful squealing over the downed "Russian drying" in the Zaporozhye region.
        As a result, Russian fighters posted a video where they filmed a burning Ukrainian Air Force fighter.
        1. +5
          6 June 2022 07: 09
          The author, I didn’t understand something ... but what’s the point of opposing TOR and Iriska? Air defense systems do not fight with air defense systems ...
          1. 0
            6 June 2022 07: 39
            it means that they have similar performance characteristics, only Thor does not need external target designation, unlike iris, to work on targets.
      2. 0
        6 June 2022 15: 18
        But there is such an opinion:
        https://t.me/fighter_bomber/7430 hi
        1. +8
          6 June 2022 16: 41
          No, the author is right, it is necessary to voice all Western military assistance according to the training manual as: "not timely, worthless, outdated, sloppy, unusable, etc." Only now, the guys dying from it - "ineffective military assistance" - this is already beyond explanation ...
      3. 0
        5 May 2023 15: 49
        here the author is just looking at reality ...
  2. kig
    +8
    6 June 2022 05: 24
    Neither praise nor scold early. Application will show. And Germany will gain experience.
  3. for
    +3
    6 June 2022 05: 26
    Praise or scold. But at least one person will die because of them.
  4. +5
    6 June 2022 05: 26
    They promised the pintos to the Ukrainian MLRS HIMARS, and sent the calculations to be trained. The Germans promised them an air defense missile system with IRIS-T missiles, but for some reason the crews did not go to train, just as the PzH 2000 self-propelled guns did not go to train. As soon as information appears that they are being trained, then such promises should be taken seriously, but so far only the words of a politician, and those, as you know, have a very flexible language.
    1. 0
      8 June 2022 23: 22
      there simply aren’t enough of them to supply Ukraine and no one has paid yet, they don’t cost a penny, like self-propelled guns and leopards and other German weapons
  5. +2
    6 June 2022 05: 50
    Well, yes, directly Putin. It’s okay, everything is according to plan. And then the complex is modern and is already in service with Germany. Yes, if they put it all the same, this is a threat to our Air Force. And it will need to be "knocked out." And then Roman himself writes "it is not known how our electronic warfare will behave and how much IRIST will be able to resist.
    1. -1
      7 June 2022 10: 25
      dialed up don't understand what
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  7. +8
    6 June 2022 08: 18
    The Fighterbomber in the "cart" said something like this: "I would rather meet the Patriot than IRIS."
    1. 0
      6 June 2022 23: 15
      Quote: vvvjak
      Fighterbomber in the "cart" said something like this: "I would rather meet the Patriot than IRIS"

      This is probably about the Patriot of the first war in Iraq.
  8. +1
    6 June 2022 08: 19
    It's just that armies need to know what their equipment is capable of. And the fact that the Germans want to organize this at the expense of Ukraine - well, who will forbid


    The Germans want to test their rocket in combat conditions and there is no doubt about it, and the Ukrainians are guinea pigs, just perfect. It's just a pity that the Ukrainians do not understand this or do not want to understand that they are consumables for both the United States and Europe.
  9. -10
    6 June 2022 09: 34
    The radar is protected against anti-radar or tactical missiles.

    Lie. Our "Caliber", "Iskander", "Bal" and "Bastion" will calmly destroy this air defense system.
    1. 0
      25 August 2022 00: 02
      Better immediately "Sarmat". Why pity their adversaries?
  10. +16
    6 June 2022 10: 09
    “Ryabov is such a Ryabov,” I already wrote, but suddenly I saw that it was not Ryabov. Hm...
    Here you can recall how Poland delivered T-72 tanks to Ukraine (in an ugly state, we note),

    Pretty decent, for the most part.
    We can say that it can even be a competitor to the Torah, but ...

    Modern air defense systems based on V-V missiles are not even close to competing with Thor. Evil, dangerous stuff. In addition, in this case, an open architecture system, which, on the one hand, works with "non-native" components, and on the other hand, "from birth" takes into account the possibility of integration in a layered system.
    So the "some amount" that the Germans can send to the Ukrainians will be very small. I think that their number will not exceed 10 units. Even in order to protect a certain number of the most important objects, this is not enough.


    And here the author is right, and from all sides. Firstly, the degree of Herr Scholz's lewdness has long broken through all and sundry limits - until the systems have come to the country, one should not pay attention to any of his statements. Secondly, all beautiful modern complexes have one common drawback.

    Lack in the literal sense. They are few. Much less advanced systems from the Cold War, the same Rolands and Cheetahs, but available in hundreds of pieces and right now could really have a strategic impact on what is happening. And a few irises really won't make the weather.
    1. +3
      6 June 2022 14: 56
      Quote: Negro
      Modern air defense systems based on V-V missiles are not even close to competing with Thor. Evil, dangerous stuff.

      Yes - the IRIS-T SL SAM has a RKTU like the "Thor", but in addition to this, it also has an IR seeker.
      Another question is whether the IRIS-T SL missile can reach the target and work on it purely at the RKTU if the IR did not take the target?
      Quote: Negro
      Firstly, the degree of Herr Scholz's lewdness has long broken through all and sundry limits - until the systems have come to the country, one should not pay attention to any of his statements.

      And there is nothing to patamushta at the same time to demand a weapon and name the one from whom you demand, offended liverwurst. smile
      Quote: Negro
      Much less advanced systems from the Cold War, the same Rolands and Cheetahs, but available in hundreds of pieces and right now could really have a strategic impact on what is happening.

      There is another problem with them: the technical condition of the systems themselves, the availability and technical condition of BC (especially missiles), and most importantly, trained personnel.
      1. +3
        6 June 2022 16: 03
        Quote: Alexey RA
        RKTU like the "Thor", but in addition to this, there is also an IR GOS.

        And other electronics on the ground and in the air are radically different. And the ability to upgrade separately from the complex - the head, radars, connection to large systems as a close echelon.
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Another question is whether the IRIS-T SL missile can reach the target and work on it purely at the RKTU

        This is a question to whom and from whom? For an all-aspect short-range V-V missile, it is not particularly relevant.
        Quote: Alexey RA
        patamushta there is nothing to demand weapons at the same time and call the one from whom you demand an offended liverwurst.

        He also called you an earthworm.

        Yes, fans of the energetic rhetoric of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation and personally M. Zakharova, for the first time hearing the statements of individual Ukrainian diplomats, experienced pleasant warmth - fraternal peoples as they are. However, it would be reckless to reduce Mr. Scholz's foul play to personal insults - he low blood, mighty blow really totally out of line. So directly and to say that it is high time for Ukraine to surrender, he cannot - Ukraine has won too devastatingly in the Western information field. But he doesn’t have any plan “B” in case Ukraine wins. So for the fourth month we have been seeing some absolutely amazing tricks. After all, God sent such a flight to his shift, and yet there is no fault of his in this.
        Quote: Alexey RA
        they have another problem: the technical condition of the systems themselves, the availability and technical condition of BC (especially missiles), and most importantly, trained personnel.

        Well, you know. To master the same Aveger, a lot of mind is not needed. And if there is a minimum time, some robotic module with a ZU-23-2 - one thousand such modules on trucks - could be much more useful than insanely cool but one THAAD.
        1. +5
          6 June 2022 20: 26
          Quote: Negro
          This is a question to whom and from whom? For an all-aspect short-range V-V missile, it is not particularly relevant.

          This is a matter of intercepting those targets that glow less in the IR range than typical RVV targets.
          Quote: Negro
          So for the fourth month we have been seeing some absolutely amazing tricks. After all, God sent such a flight to his shift, and yet there is no fault of his in this.

          Because it was necessary to think - why did Frau Angela dump it so briskly? smile

          Quote: Negro
          Well, you know. To master the same Aveger, a lot of mind is not needed. And if there is a minimum time, some robotic module with a ZU-23-2 - a thousand of such modules on trucks - could be much more useful than an insanely cool but one THAAD.

          Autofig. All air defense systems on a wheeled or tracked chassis, the range of which is less than helicopter ATGMs, are targets and means of infantry complacency.
          1. +4
            6 June 2022 22: 28
            Quote: Alexey RA
            did Frau Angela dump him so briskly?

            Went to illegal

            Quote: Alexey RA
            This is a matter of intercepting those targets that glow less in the IR range than typical RVV targets.

            For quadrics, the toy is a little expensive, but for everything else you need to try. Practice is the criterion of truth.
            Quote: Alexey RA
            All air defense systems on a wheeled or tracked chassis, the range of which is less than helicopter ATGMs, are targets and means of infantry complacency.

            Of course not. Each vegetable has its own time. During the (de?) militarization, the Ukrainian side faced two tasks that are uncharacteristic for the Soviet air defense and which the Soviet air defense as a whole failed to cope with: the massive use of lungs, incl. commercial UAVs on the line of contact, and pressure on the rear of a relatively small number of missiles, mostly cruise missiles. Rich people solve the first problem with energy weapons, and the second with AWACS and strikes into the entire depth of the enemy’s territory. A cheap partial solution to both problems could be the use of artillery modules with programmable projectiles of the MANTIS type - only that's directly MANTIS and not nearly cheap. Perhaps on the old Oerlikon GDF or Bofors 40 mm Automatic Gun L / 70 you can farm something suitable - these systems, unlike the ZU-23 and S-60, have modern air-blasted shells and old computerization developments. In any case, you need an exceptionally large number of such pieces and, if possible, inexpensively - that is, you need to look at products from the times of the USSR with modern electronic upgrades, since then "a lot" has not been done.

            Well, at the expense of "complacency of the infantry" all the more stupidity. We saw this complacency, firing NURSs from a nose-up. Again, any weapon can be used effectively and ineffectively.
      2. -1
        6 June 2022 23: 17
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Another question is whether the IRIS-T SL missile can reach the target and work on it purely at the RKTU if the IR did not take the target?

        Can not.
  11. +12
    6 June 2022 10: 21
    So I didn’t trace: is it a group of authors or one - everything that they bring (or promise) to the outskirts - everything is carefully scolded. With an indispensable refrain, they say, it still won’t help the ukrams. Just like a blueprint. And even the text size is the same.
    1. +10
      6 June 2022 10: 33
      But the T-62 is quite useful. I wonder if this applies to, I don't know, Bulgarian T-62s, which could theoretically be delivered.
  12. 0
    6 June 2022 10: 47
    Quote: Author
    IRIS-T, Maximum firing range, km: 25 (according to
    other data 12.5)...

    Let IRIS-T be moved closer to the border - delivery will be cheaper, the main thing here is not to skimp on paying for pots - a donkey loaded with gold works wonders, "business, nothing personal")))
  13. +2
    6 June 2022 11: 29
    With the supply of arms is not so simple. Systems must be integrated into the structure of the armed forces, or new structures must be formed. Since the rearmament of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - NATO's strike force - is taking place "on the go", it is not a fact that this process can be completed in a timely manner, and the time factor is extremely important. On the other hand, the supply of the notorious MLRS, in theory, should lead to the creation of new structures, i.e. the appearance of reconnaissance and strike systems in the enemy, the capabilities of which in terms of range will be constantly increased and will be able to operate outside the zone of destruction of artillery and MLRS "Smerch". Since the strike complexes themselves will be covered by air defense / missile defense systems, this creates a rather dangerous situation.
  14. 0
    6 June 2022 13: 06
    In addition, it will be useful for our side. It will be useful to know how our Vitebsk can withstand IRIS-T.


    "... This air defense system can only be countered by good reconnaissance, which will allow timely destruction of the detected complexes, and programmatic shooting of PPI in the supposed affected area of ​​​​this complex + sunset and departure towards the Sun.

    And luck, of course. ..."
    https://t.me/s/fighter_bomber

    About the problems that Ukrainian air defense creates (more precisely, ineffective methods of dealing with it):

    https://t.me/s/kramnikcat/2012
    1. 0
      6 June 2022 23: 11
      Quote: Simple
      About the problems that Ukrainian air defense creates (more precisely, ineffective methods of dealing with it):

      https://t.me/s/kramnikcat/2012

      The hogwash under the link is written.
      1. 0
        7 June 2022 23: 09
        He speaks well. Why does he need to "drown" for the APU?
        1. +1
          8 June 2022 00: 42
          Quote: Simple
          He speaks well. Why does he need to "drown" for the APU?

          So everything is not as described there. It has already been openly written that the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not solve the problem of covering objects, it is engaged in "shooting down" aircraft. In this case, no SEAD will work - there is nothing to suppress. And no false targets will work, because the target is fired only with the exact identification of the object, including visually (optics, thermal imager). There is no certainty that the target is an aircraft, there is no air defense system. At the same time, for example, the Buka SDA, 20 s after the end of the target illumination, is capable of moving at speeds up to 30 km / h without turning off the equipment, and 30 s after stopping, start working again. Onboard SAPs operate at angles of -+40-60 degrees relative to the longitudinal axis of the aircraft in both planes forward and backward. It takes time to remove the strobes of the ADMC tracking channel of any SAP. And if the launch of the air defense system is carried out outside the corners of the SAP operation or there is not enough time to remove the gates, the missile will hit.
  15. -4
    6 June 2022 13: 07
    Russian aviation, no matter how it did not fly to bomb even the near rear, does not fly. It is precisely because of the presence of Ukraine of long-range air defense systems and short-range air defense systems. Therefore, the supply of new such complexes will practically not change anything in the fact that our VKS turned out to be not at all such a powerful force as they were told before the special operation.
    1. -2
      6 June 2022 16: 40
      Our VKS is an incredibly powerful force, but we make a hundred aircraft in about 4 years ...
  16. +1
    6 June 2022 13: 31
    In addition, it will be useful for our side. It will be useful to know how our Vitebsk can withstand IRIS-T. And will the German infrared seeker magically work so much.

    It is necessary to learn this not at the cost of the lives and health of our pilots.
  17. +4
    6 June 2022 14: 41
    Article from the series "What was it?". smile
    At first:
    IRIS-T was supposed to replace the American AIM-9X missile and the British ASRAAM, which, according to the German command, did not meet the requirements of the time and, most importantly, were inferior in performance to the Soviet R-73 missile.

    That is, IRIS-T, which was supposed to replace the RVV MD (the same "Sidewinders") - this is also the RVV MD. And then it is compared ... with the domestic RVV and range RVV SD / R-77.
    The maximum reliable range of the IRIS-T missile is only about 20 km. The IRIS-T's capture and guidance capabilities were impressive, but it is worth noting that in the same 1995, when work on the missile had just begun, the RVV-SD or R-77 missile was adopted in Russia. This is a medium-range missile, slightly larger in mass, but not much inferior in terms of its combat characteristics.

    The "slightly larger mass" in the case of the RVV SD is 190 kilograms (even more than that of the AIM-120). Against 87 kg for IRIS-T.

    Isn't it better to compare classmates? For example, the aviation version of IRIS-T with our R-73? Or a missile defense version of the IRIS-T SL with our "Thor"?
    1. 0
      6 June 2022 17: 14
      Isn't it better to compare classmates? For example, the aviation version of IRIS-T with our R-73? Or a missile defense version of the IRIS-T SL with our "Thor"?
      Estessno, better, and it will be more correct. And so it can be compared in general with the S-500, it is strange that this has not been done.
  18. +1
    6 June 2022 14: 56
    It is strange that in the USSR and the Russian Federation they did not make complexes with aviation missiles ....... from the point of view of unification, it’s good
    1. +1
      6 June 2022 20: 44
      Quote: Zaurbek
      It is strange that in the USSR and the Russian Federation they did not make complexes with aviation missiles ....... from the point of view of unification, it’s good

      So the IRIS-T SL SAM is not an aircraft missile, but the result of a serious refinement.
      In the process of "landing" the former RVV acquired a new engine and a new combined control system - RKTU on the march section and IK on the final one.
      With such modifications, 13M9 can also be made from K-37. smile
    2. 0
      6 June 2022 23: 08
      Quote: Zaurbek
      It is strange that in the USSR and the Russian Federation they did not make complexes with aviation missiles ....... from the point of view of unification, it’s good

      Everything else is bad. Not a URVV with a serious air defense system has been preserved in its original form. Either the air defense system with URVV stopped altogether, or its rocket was transformed into a completely different aerodynamics. Look at the "transformation" of Sparrow's URVV into ESSM missiles.
    3. +1
      7 June 2022 10: 33
      The Bedouins in slippers were able to do this, remember the shot at the F-15? Saudis, from the ground with an R-27 rocket of some version.
  19. 0
    6 June 2022 15: 37
    Yes, this Iris is garbage, the whole geyropa designed, sawed the loot, sign
  20. +2
    6 June 2022 17: 38
    The maximum reliable range of the IRIS-T missile is only about 20 km. The IRIS-T's capture and guidance capabilities were impressive, but it is worth noting that in the same 1995, when work on the missile had just begun, the RVV-SD or R-77 missile was adopted in Russia. This is a medium-range missile, slightly larger in mass, but not much inferior in terms of its combat characteristics.

    I didn’t understand this at all, to compare a short-range missile with a medium-range one, and why 20 km is not enough for a short-range missile.
  21. +1
    6 June 2022 17: 41
    As an example, you can take the trivial Eurofighter-Typhoon with AMRAAM medium-range missiles and AIM-9 short-range missiles and oppose it with the Su-35S with medium-range R-77 and long-range R-37.

    And what is this, a comparison of a gun and a howitzer, maybe someone will explain.
    1. +2
      6 June 2022 20: 36
      Quote: merkava-2bet
      And what is this, a comparison of a gun and a howitzer, maybe someone will explain.

      You still ask, who saw the combatant Su-35S with the R-37? Well, or at least the MiG-31BM with the R-37 ... wink
  22. 0
    6 June 2022 18: 14
    The controversial concept of missile guidance is inertial + TGS. Three jamming channels - guidance station, GPS receiver and TGS.
  23. 0
    6 June 2022 18: 20
    Quote: Zaurbek
    It is strange that in the USSR and the Russian Federation they did not make complexes with aviation missiles ....... from the point of view of unification, it’s good

    And from the point of view of the distribution of the budget between the sisters, not very much.
    In my memory, there was one attempt at unification - to make a Point out of an anti-aircraft missile. But it didn't.

    The Americans had successful projects for the unification of missiles "in-in" and missiles: Chaparel, Sea Sparrow. But Sea Phoenix failed.
  24. +1
    6 June 2022 18: 42
    Air defense is a system that includes complexes of different ranges plus aviation, the absence of at least one element makes air defense disabled. Any medium-range complex is covered by its neighbors, otherwise it is guaranteed to be destroyed, and without aviation it’s generally sad, gouged with missiles, which they won’t even see. And these prodigies will be placed around Zelensky's residence.
    Although I have one question: this technique is, to put it mildly, secret, calculation training is half a year. I'm wondering, but is Germany actually ready to transfer state-of-the-art equipment that has not yet been put into service with Russia?
  25. +1
    6 June 2022 23: 25
    Features:

    Maximum firing range, km: 25 (according to other sources 12.5)
    Maximum flight speed, M: 3
    Combat ceiling, m: 20
    Starting weight, kg: 87,4
    The mass of the warhead, kg: 11,4
    Operating range of wavelengths of GOS, microns: 3-5

    These are the characteristics of the URVV IRIS-T. Altitude-velocity data correspond to a supersonic launch from a carrier at high altitude. 25 km - operational range - how long the URVV will fly for on-board power under the specified launch conditions. 12.5 km - kill zone - kill zone (maximum range of damage) in similar conditions.
  26. -1
    7 June 2022 10: 04
    a missile launched "point-blank" is a hard-to-intercept target for any aircraft. Chivoo ??
  27. 0
    7 June 2022 10: 06
    "Eurofighter-Typhoon" with AMRAAM medium-range missiles and AIM-9 short-range missiles and oppose it with the Su-35S with medium-range R-77 and long-range R-37. -How is it to compare the R-37 with Amraam ??
  28. 0
    7 June 2022 10: 08
    the work carried out, the range of the rocket increased to 40 km, and the reach in height - 20 km. Well, here you have Buk, M2, probably, but you also need to know the price then and compare.
  29. 0
    7 June 2022 10: 10
    The letter T-speaks probably about Thermal or Tele-guidance? Do our attack warning systems, on airplanes, see this?
    1. +1
      7 June 2022 13: 28
      The word "warmth" in the fascist language begins with a different letter. T is tail, tail. Controlled thrust vector. If you do not take hunting stories about the visual detection of a missile by a pilot, then the work of a passive seeker cannot be detected - for this it is passive.
      1. +1
        7 June 2022 15: 49
        understood, it’s our T-heat or TV, the enemy will be on the campaign I-infrared (warm?)
  30. +1
    7 June 2022 10: 12
    The radar has protection against anti-radar or tactical missiles. I wonder what kind of protection this radar has
    underground armored bunker?
  31. 0
    7 June 2022 19: 35
    In the realities of capitalism, yes, from the point of view of weapons testing, both in terms of the declared characteristics, and in terms of countering the technology and tactics of NATO and Russia ... the war can last a long time. Although, it seems to me, this is not yet a war, but "reconnaissance in force."
  32. 0
    7 June 2022 22: 48
    Everything is beautiful. Blah..blah..blah numbers, blah..blah..blah money, blah..blah..blah sonorous names. The question is simple. Where is the combat use?