The Ka-52 helicopter, when striking, discovered the German ZSU "Cheetah" that threatened it

The Russian Ka-52 helicopter became one of the main characters of the special operation of the Russian Armed Forces deployed in Ukraine, constantly appearing in materials covering the work of the army aviation on enemy positions.

One of the videos shows strikes against enemy forces that have settled in a forest. Performing a combat mission, the Ka-52 hit at least two targets in the course of one sortie, hiding in dense vegetation immediately beyond the open area, followed by a powerful detonation, apparently, of enemy equipment ammunition. Guided missiles acted as a means of destruction, the first of which, judging by the negotiations with the ground controller, was launched from a distance of 6600 meters.

After striking the crew moved to a sharp turn. The on-board warning system reported a risk when performing this maneuver - "the roll is high." After that, the hazard identification tools installed on the helicopter let the pilots know about the emergence of a threat to the machine - “attack from behind. Cheetah".

This refers to the Gepard anti-aircraft gun, armed with two 35-mm cannons. Targeting when using this system is carried out through an optical sight and radar. The ZSU 23-4 Shilka, which is in service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, is the closest analogue of this German product, which has been in operation in the Bundeswehr since 1976.

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[The popuas]

Found... eeee?

[mark1]

And flew on...

[gansales]

Quote: mark1

And flew on...

And then they will cover them with a more powerful weapon ..
Well, Fritz, answer for all this yet ..

[Shurik70]

Unfortunately the video is of low quality.
At the bottom right, red numbers show the date and time. Due to blurring, it is hard to see, but like "18.05.22/XNUMX/XNUMX" shows
Coordinates 49°02 - 37°22, 15 km south of Izyum, eastern outskirts of the village of Suligivka.

[Freelancer7]

Well, at least the Cheetah didn’t hit, I hope ... Otherwise, right at the end, it began to crackle and then the “end of the movie”.

[73bor]

For a "cheetah" this is far away, moreover, they were told by BC simply no!

[laws70]

While the cannon was loaded there ... with firewood

[Bshkaus]

And flew on...

As I understand it, the calculation of the PPO missed, or did not react in time, so we are offered to give praise to Russian weapons.
But seriously, I also did not understand what kind of article it was and what meaning the author was trying to convey. In the end, a huge number of videos where the calculation of the PPO lands the Ka52 at a time

[-Dmitry-]

. In the end, a huge number of videos where the calculation of the PPO lands the Ka52 at a time

Yes, yes, from Arma 3 so as not to make some videos :)

[dmi.pris1]

Well, since there is a video, he returned alive. And the "Cheetah"? I don't know, maybe he rushed into the savannah

[NIKN]

The system determined by the nature of the radar radiation. Perhaps not a cheetah, but something else with similar or close radiation parameters worked. Well, of course, the Germans could have prepared a surprise for us, they made a very secretive delivery. They don’t have any ammunition for the Cheetah, Switzerland doesn’t supply shells like.

[picca2]

Naive..?? Who is there to believe? They also disappear not so much when you press them against the wall - they will yell - We are not local !!! Without ammunition in the war zone ...

[GNM]

The system determined by the nature of the radiation

Clever aunt (system), it’s a pity that she can’t be invited as a witness, the Germans will say, stupid woman, she dreamed, we weren’t there.
It is necessary to build the pipe itself on the ground.

[Ilya_Nsk]

Quote: GNM

[i]... It is necessary to build the pipe itself on the ground.

What pipe? Here is the Cheetah

[U_GOREC]

Quote: NIKNN

Switzerland does not supply shells like.

Switzerland has already "given the go-ahead" for supplies ...

[opposite28]

Nervous after meeting with a flying alligator (not only is the alligator still flying (!) With a bk on a suspension), the poor fellow dried up a little, probably ran away to a reservoir, you can only meet this in the wild Ukrainian savannah.

[Blackgrifon]

After that, the hazard recognition tools installed on the helicopter let the pilots know about the emergence of a threat to the car - “attack from behind. Cheetah".

[Corrosion inhibitor]

Good question. I should have cut the video sooner. Because he's obviously circumcised.

[seregatara1969]

Not only discovered, but recognized! So the artificial brain is trained to recognize the enemy!

[Urs]

There is an interesting fact, the fact is a real witness himself. In 84, officers from the Air Force Academy came to our training ground at the school, and what is most interesting is the academy in Kyiv .
So I had a little talk with them and it turned out that they had a graduation project on just such target recognition systems.
So have an idea since when work with these systems has been going on. So, nothing surprising.

[Grits]

Quote: Popuas

Found... eeee?

It's good that I found it. Re-entry can be fraught if long-range missiles run out. But the coordinates are being transmitted and 120 or 152 will arrive there soon.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

It was like this, the Ka-52 worked out ATGMs on targets, and when it maneuvered after the attack, the warning system reported that a Cheetah attack was coming from behind.

It’s not a fact that it was Cheetah who attacked the Ka-52, it’s possible that the system simply identified Tunguska as Cheetah from the database, it’s possible that in our helicopters the enemy’s air defense systems are designated by the type names of Western models, and on our own we have a self-identifier "friend or foe", that is why the system issued radiation from the Ukrainian Tunguska radar as a NATO Cheetah, so that the pilots would not be confused and embarrassed by the names.

I think the same with MANPADS, any detected Ka-52 attack from MANPADS is voiced by the warning system in the same way - a Stinger attack, be it a real Stinger or a Soviet Igla or some other system.

It gives an understanding of the type of attack, and not exactly 100% gives the name of the weapon system.

If there were real Cheetahs in Ukraine, the dill themselves would have already removed them and posted them on Tik-tok or Telegram or YouTube)).

[SkyMaXX]

I agree. Most likely it is exactly so.

[Alex ros]

Here, on Military Review, there is an article about sending ZSU Gepard to Ukraine. The article was written at the end of April, so anything is possible.

[Alex_Bora]

Even from the delivery of the S-300 by Slovakia, it became clear that since they are talking about the supply of weapons, it means that they are already there.

[Andrey VOV]

There are no more Slovak C300s

[Fisherman]

"Veeeeeee summer!"

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

There are no more Slovak C300s

[prapor88]

But there were, albeit not for long ...

[picca2]

I completely agree!!! Announce after the delivery of weapons. No need to think that there are alone.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

From Scholz is cunning. He powdered everyone's brains, and he sent the Cheetahs to Ukrainians. And the ammunition was found.

[smaug78]

What nonsense ...

[Ruslan Vasileostrovsky]

Forgive me for being stupid, but how does automation understand that this is a "cheetah"?

[gansales]

Quote: Ruslan Vasileostrovsky

Forgive me for being stupid, but how does automation understand that this is a "cheetah"?

Perhaps they saw the coordinates from a satellite or UAV according to the data of the turntable .. Well, everything is complicated there.

[lis-ik]

Quote from gansales

Perhaps they saw the coordinates from a satellite or UAV according to the data of the turntable .. Well, everything is complicated there

Hey Vitaly. You're doing better with slogans.

[gansales]

Quote: lis-ik

Quote from gansales

Perhaps they saw the coordinates from a satellite or UAV according to the data of the turntable .. Well, everything is complicated there

Hey Vitaly. You're doing better with slogans.

Along the way, yes .. Again blurted out))) Well, okay, it happens with information ..

[U_GOREC]

Quote from gansales

Along the way, yes .. Again blurted out))) Well, okay, it happens with info ..

Nothing is okay! First, in the library - the mat is the part to teach! And only then at the computer - to work! And then, with such "professionalism", the administration of the camp will send it back to the industrial complex!

[Charik]

it's like on a nuclear submarine, the noise library in memory recognizes which ship, it's like that

[impostor]

And how did you understand in Gostomel? Right attack, stinger? Irradiation signatures should be sewn up, perhaps ours and German ones are similar

[Andrey VOV]

Yes, everything about the stinger has been known and understandable since 86

[impostor]

Cheetahs in the Bundeswehr judging by open since 1973

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

she will yell a stinger even if it is a streak or a needle she herself sees the stinger torch does not emit anything

[impostor]

And when she sees the torch of the detonation of the BC, will she yell the Minuteman?

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

nothing sticks in such cases

[Bshkaus]

And how did you understand in Gostomel?

In Gostomel, on the very first day, two Ka52s were shot down. The first one crashed in the field and is now a Wikipedia star, the second is a flying Dutchman, there is only one photo taken by a local resident with a helicopter that fell into the Kiev reservoir. The helicopter itself is already in the water, but against the background of the smoke trail, an open parachute is painted. I think that a pilot without MSC quickly drowned in cold water, the RF Ministry of Defense does not recognize this case, but it is important from a historical point of view, since the ejection system from ka52 was used for the first time in real combat conditions

[swan49]

Recently, Ukrainians raised the wreckage of a helicopter from the bottom of the Kyiv reservoir. The navigator's body was in the cockpit.

[Dikson]

Everything is very simple, colleague! If dark spots (five pieces) on a yellow skin form a "socket" - this is a leopard, if each of these "sockets" has another dark spot in the center - this is a jaguar, and if dark spots on a yellow skin are located randomly, unsystematically, that's for sure he is a cheetah...

[Andy_nsk]

Forgive me for being stupid, but how does automation understand that this is a "cheetah"?

I think that according to the characteristics of the radio emission of the radar: carrier frequency, type of modulation. Could, of course, be confused with another type of radar.

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

spo on radiation radar navigation identified do not thank

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Ruslan Vasileostrovsky

how does automation understand that it is a "cheetah"?

According to the radiation parameters of the Gepard radar. It is clearly defined. All known radars are included in the library of the radio exposure warning system.

[Vitaly.17]

Quote: Ruslan Vasileostrovsky

how does automation understand that it is a "cheetah"

After all, sensors not only make it possible to detect the fact of an attack, but also measure the range of radiation during a shot or launch, carry out laser sanitization of optical devices, detect a laser rangefinder, etc.
It is bad that so far there is no system that gave automatic control to weapons elements even before the shot or launch. But maybe, according to the results of the CBO, they will appear. All the same, laser anti-sniper technologies and systems have been developing for a long time.

[Denis812]

X31P / D works like that. When a signal source is detected, the CC is automatically given.
Another thing is that a person must give the command to use after all.

[Vitaly.17]

Quote: Denis812

the command to use must be given by a person after all

That is the problem. How much time does the pilot have to make a decision if he is at low or extremely low altitude? And if he is forced to maneuver, for example, as shown in the video? Not only does he not have time to adequately assess the situation, he is simply physically unable to do so. Therefore, everything related to your own security and threat neutralization should be done automatically.

[Denis812]

There is no problem.
Traps work that way. If you put them in auto mode.
What I said above is about auto-capturing targets. Are you reading the text? :)

[Denis812]

determination by the nature of the radiation. Each emitter has its own "handwriting". That is, the C300 operates in the same range, with the same frequency. but C125 is different.
But in fact, you know that "Cheetah" is looking at you, and at the same time, you just have
some degree of certainty. It may not be a Cheetah at all, but something else.

[Grits]

Quote: Denis812

But in fact, you know that "Cheetah" is looking at you, and at the same time, you just have
some degree of certainty.

Once in the taiga I had a case. I knew for sure that a tiger was looking at me from behind the bushes (because it had covered me with tracks), but I did not know where it was looking from. Feelings, I tell you, are not the most pleasant ... as if under the gun.

[Il'nur]

how automation understands

As I understand it, the radiation frequencies of the existing radars of air defense systems are already wired into the onboard equipment.

[Sanyav_72]

Not only the frequencies there, a bunch of things can be compared. Modulation type, code distribution within bursts, etc.

[Sanyav_72]

By analyzing the locator signal. Databases on various systems have long been created both by NATO and by us.

[know-it-two]

Each radar has its own nature of radiation, they are systematized, cataloged. Data on the IR and UV spectrum of anti-aircraft missiles are also summarized. After comparing with the available data, "Rita" notifies about the direction and type of danger, for example - Attack from behind - "Stinger". But it’s not a fact that it was a Cheetah, it could have been a similar radiation, which was determined to be the Cheetah radar.

[Common sense]

Well, but they said that there are no shells for cheetahs, the Swiss do not give?

[Kesha1980]

There are no Cheetahs there (yet). The firmware defined . Is there a photo from the sights? Technology silhouettes? No. This means firmware glitches, or a programming error. Yesterday experts argued a little on one resource on this fact. The verdict is a glitch.

On the back of the main photo - the blades were reminded, on U a scandal begins just over the blades of the turntables. Motor Sich cheated, as a result, instead of the prescribed 850 hours of operation of the blades, it turns out 100 hours. "Tse Ukraine, baby!"

[lis-ik]

Quote: Kesha1980

Motor Sich cheated, as a result, instead of the prescribed 850 hours of operation of the blades, it turns out 100 hours. "Tse Ukraine, baby!"

They write that the old ones were simply painted and marked.

[Kesha1980]

confirm). Resourceful hacks.

[Carlos Hall]

Ka 52 Alligator destroys German cheetahs, very good video. Ka 52 is one of the stars of the Russian army. This gives excellent results. The Ka 52 helicopter was a great success for defense programs.

[voyaka uh]

And what is this counting voice: "ten, nine, eight ..."
after launching your rocket?
They don't have an automatic stopwatch on display?

[vitvit123]

Perhaps trite voice dubbing ..

[voyaka uh]

It is clear what happens when there is no
fire-and-forget launch systems.
UR is allowed one by one. And after every launch
have to hang for 10 seconds, risking being
shot down.

[acetophenone]

Well, yes, but if the target was protected by traps, smoke, interference .... And you forgot ... Turned to her side or rear, and she kaaaaak will remind you!

[Synoid]

Israel has not been at war for a long time, so the "experts" from there do not understand the realities of large-scale battles. Their destiny is punitive actions, terrorism in adjacent territories. And yes, guided weapons are used there, shot-forgot-not the fact that it hit.

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

we honestly fight, unlike mattresses and their sixes, who are used to beating from under a brace, there is no honor, there is no cowards, and our soldiers are not like that, our soldier stands face to face with the enemy

[Kayala]

For the entire Ruin of systems, a shot-and-forgot is not enough, and not all goals are worth it. This is a war, baby, and a real one, and not like you drive unarmed Bedouins through the desert.

[Charik]

what systems did you shoot and forget? Maybe you fired and forgot?

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Firstly, for ATGMs, the "let-and-forget" system is not very good, it is not enough to hit armored vehicles, you need to hit a weak spot. In addition, the possibility of retargeting an already launched ATGM is excluded.
Secondly, you imagined the need to hang after each launch of an ATGM.

[vitvit123]

Are you talking about warm or soft?

[Gippo]

As always, you are right. Alas.

[Il'nur]

shot-forgot

And this helps the same "javelins" a lot, and right there, if the Alligator attacks 10 km away, then no stinger will reach

[Grits]

Quote: voyaka uh

It is clear what happens when there is no
fire-and-forget launch systems.
UR is allowed one by one. And after every launch
have to hang for 10 seconds, risking being
shot down.

Yes, this is a clear shortcoming of our missiles and guidance systems. We need to keep the goal.

[impostor]

The main thing is not this, the main thing is that on the last number of the timer a hit and a charred dill

[Genry]

Quote: voyaka uh

And what is this counting voice: "ten, nine, eight ...

The operator gives the pilot information on care ....

[-Paul-]

No time to look at the display.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: voyaka uh

And what is this counting voice: "ten, nine, eight ..."
after launching your rocket?

Shooting missiles (ATGM) with laser guidance. The turntable must remain on the line of sight until the ATGM hits the target. The navigator (operator) gives a countdown to the pilot with his voice, orienting how many more seconds. you need to accompany the missile until it hits the target. This is followed by an evasive maneuver.
It seems to be common truth. But no, in the IDF, this is probably not the case. The main thing there, probably, is "to shoot and soon ... SCORE everything on this and quickly hit the road so that, God forbid, Yahweh! They don’t shoot you down ... Arabs are so evil ...

[voyaka uh]

"and quickly hit the road so that, God forbid, Yahweh! You won't be shot down" ///
---

Quite right. A modern rocket must itself capture and hit the target. And the pilots must quickly leave and save the helicopter and themselves for the next combat missions.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: voyaka uh

A modern rocket must itself capture and hit the target.

Yes, you don’t really worry about us: there are such missiles. For example, R-73, captures the target of the seeker, while still on the pylon. Sound buzzer and start, the aircraft is free to maneuver. The sidewinder is the same.
So, not everything is as bad as you would like.

[sh3roman]

In fact, we are talking about turntables, and what does p73 have to do with it ???? It can be seen that the turntable and 2 flyers are in the zone of increased risk while they are waiting for the rocket to fly, forcibly highlighting the target. No need to pass off poverty and backwardness in technology as virtue

[Boa kaa]

Quote: sh3roman

No need to pass off poverty and backwardness in technology as virtue

1. At the turntable. There is a helmet-mounted control system for the navigator / pilot on 28N / 52, which controls the Needle-V / C, it is also used according to the “fire and forget” principle.
2. Sighting only for systems with laser guidance. The Su-25TM has an optical-TLV complex ShKVAL. He also uses the Whirlwind ATGM according to the "fire and forget" principle. The machine itself holds up to 10 targets ...

[sh3roman]

apparently our flyers do not know about such super abilities, the weapons entrusted to them, try to tell them how to use it, I would like to hear where they will send you and for how long

[Boa kaa]

Quote: sh3roman

apparently our flyers do not know about such super abilities,

Dear man! You don't worry about the flyers. They know all this and, judging by the results, they successfully apply it. This is even VIKI (what a belated resource!) And then printed in Russian in white. But you didn't even bother to read it. And there too: with your EGO you climb to disgrace.
And about the R-73 there is a c / f of its used use from the "spit", but the container control system was used there. Worked on the target LA ... To smithereens! True k / f - secret, I can not give links. Everything was within the framework of R&D. Therefore, I wrote foolishly, I confess. But, judging by what has not yet appeared in the troops, it did not go into business. Either expensive, or something new skumecal. Therefore, you should not open your mouth if there is no information about the leading edge in the birdhouse.
AHA.

[Charik]

Come on, you can fly with a deviation for a faster reaction to avoiding an oncoming attack, doesn’t the guidance-tracking system allow? Or should you always look in the direction of the launched missile?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Charik

Or should you always look towards the launched rocket

The GOS of the ATGM is semi-active laser. It receives a signal reflected from the target, the target must be constantly irradiated with a "headlight" - a laser designator. Therefore, decide for yourself what is more important to you: the target or the evasive maneuver.

[Charik]

so if you turn it off slowly, doesn’t the headlight move, is it just looking right?

[Charik]

What is the signal from the target?

[ada]

If interested, I wrote to the Boa constrictor KAA below, personal experience and a link to a well-known resource.

[ada]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: Charik

Or should you always look towards the launched rocket

The GOS of the ATGM is semi-active laser. It receives a signal reflected from the target, the target must be constantly irradiated with a "headlight" - a laser designator. Therefore, decide for yourself what is more important to you: the target or the evasive maneuver.

I can’t know about the modifications of the Whirlwind for sure, but judging by some signs from the video, this is a command-guided missile. Curious, here is the information:
"In the anti-tank missile guidance mode, the station formed a laser beam (laser field) with a diameter of about 4 m, directed at the target, to which the missile followed, controlled by the information contained in the spatial code of the laser radiation. To improve the accuracy of the missile hitting the target, the size of the laser field was panned depending on the current distance to the target." And there are other interesting things there.
Source: http://bastion-karpenko.ru/vihr/ VTS "BASTION" AVKarpenko

[ada]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

... The turntable must remain on the line of sight until the ATGM hits the target. The navigator (operator) gives a countdown to the pilot with his voice, orienting how many more seconds. you need to accompany the missile until it hits the target. ...

It is more likely to remain within the permissible deviations of the course, pitch, altitude and speed, to ensure the operation of the control device with the combined OES of the sight and sight, which ensures the alignment of the aiming line with the mark, sighting and determining rocket deviations, and the development of course-pitch control commands through on-board equipment on rocket. I think that the launcher direction angles along the horizon and altitude are significant there, taking into account the rocket speed over 600 m / s and Dmax \u8d 10 (4000) km, the altitude of use is up to 100 m above sea level. m. If you look at the indicator of the operator, you can see that the speed when firing in the region of 20 km / h and a height of 120 - XNUMX m and the equipment calmly brings the rocket after the slide to the aiming line, sharply reducing its fluctuations on the trajectory. Hanging "turntable" is not required.
It is noteworthy that the Shturm calmly penetrates anti-grenade nets, bushes and small branches, I think that this one can also be fired into the depths of the forest belt at the observed target while maintaining the optical visibility of the launcher missile receiver or its short-term loss at the target. "Storm", I would shoot through this forest belt and through an aerosol cloud, smoke and dust at the expected target location, provided that it is slightly removed from these interferences (at a distance of 4 meters from the rocket, approx. 000 second of flight - 1 - 350 m). I don’t know how the Whirlwind behaves, but I believe that it’s possible to hit a tank in a forest belt (behind a rare forest belt) approximately the same way, but I’m not sure about “fire and forget”, as the “warrior wow” preaches.
Negotiations in the crew must comply with the established order of combat work and commands, reports in accordance with the BR manual. Probably, the pilots in the crew also develop their own "language".

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Let's not make assumptions. Even on the old Mi-24V, lapels are allowed up to 60 degrees from the course in each direction. It’s just that with such a range to the targets, there is no need for vigorous maneuvering, they still won’t get anything. And this voice countdown is just show-off, nothing more, it is not needed from the word at all.
In general, in my opinion, this video was filmed at the training ground. In a real combat stop, the go-ahead for work is not requested. In the best case, they will give target designation from the ground, and then everything on their own.
Here, they tried to shoot ATGM launches then. Alas, the equipment was still there.

[ada]

"Carriers - helicopters Mi-24V / 24P (4-8-12 units), Mi-28 (up to 16 units), Ka-29TB (4-8 units)

Guidance:
- "Shturm-V" - semi-automatic radio command by a narrow beam, tracking the missile by IR tracer is carried out by the Raduga equipment on the carrier; when hovering, 2 special codes and 5 fixed frequencies are used (which allows you to "work" in a limited space 1 0 ATGM); deviation of the guidance system at a maximum range of no more than 0,6 minutes of arc;
- "Attack" - semi-automatic radio command on a narrow beam (millimeter wavelength range); guidance is carried out by the operator in semi-automatic mode, after the launch of the rocket, the carrier can maneuver within the sector of 220 degrees. in azimuth and up to 120 degrees. vertically. On a helicopter, the equipment of the complex includes a digital computer, a laser rangefinder, an optical system, a TV system and a thermal imager.
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-45.html
It?

[vovochkarzhevsky]

I can only speak for the Mi-24V/P.
Turning angles of the stabilized line of sight PN (Rainbow) from the GFS of the helicopter in degrees:
- horizontal + - 60;
- vertically up 15;
- vertically down 20.

[ada]

Thank you, I understand. According to 9p149, of course, there are no restrictions on the azimuth on the angular velocity of the carrier itself, and for aircraft-based SU it is much more difficult. According to the SU for "Whirlwind", only the following information came across:
"The equipment of the I-251V Shkval-V sighting system developed by the Krasnogorsk Mechanical Plant Zenit in an improved version included television and thermal imaging channels for detecting and tracking a target, a laser range finder and an ATGM guidance channel, as well as a two-plane stabilization system [2, 5]. After detecting the target, the pilot in the maximum magnification mode carried out its identification, combined the mark on the screen of the IT-23MV television indicator with the target in such a way that it occupied 3/4 of its area, and then switched the equipment to auto-tracking mode. The system provided automatic tracking goals and after
the momentary disappearance of its image - for example, in cases where another object appears between the helicopter and the tank. In the event that, nevertheless, there was a failure of automatic tracking, the pilot re-captured the target. The missile is launched after the target is captured for auto-tracking. When piloting a helicopter, the target had to remain within the limits of the tracking angles of the Shkval-V equipment - up to ± 35 ° in azimuth and from + 5 ° to -80 ° in elevation.
The complex provided the possibility of simultaneously firing one target with two ATGMs. In the modernized model, up to four targets are fired within half a minute.
https://mognb.ru/books/1211291-otechestvennye-protivotankovye-kompleksy/download

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Regarding the Ka-50/52. I don’t know how it is now, but when creating these machines, Mikheev professed the concept of launching ATGMs from hover mode, popular in the West, but completely debilitating in practice, using terrain folds and so on as shelters. In addition, initially the helicopter was created single. Hence the reduced requirements for the sighting system in the corners.
But in practice, the launch of the same Shturm ATGMs did not require vigorous maneuvering during guidance. At WWI, only MZA is a serious threat, and even then up to 3000 range. And working from a maximum range at speeds of 180-220 km / h, you will not fly into the MZA affected area.

[Rage66]

Quote: NIKNN

The system determined by the nature of the radar radiation. Perhaps not a cheetah, but something else with similar or close radiation parameters worked. Well, of course, the Germans could have prepared a surprise for us, they made a very secretive delivery. They don’t have any ammunition for the Cheetah, Switzerland doesn’t supply shells like.

They may have Korea as their supplier... Globalization

[certero]

How lacking are such videos where ours use guided weapons.

[Alexander 3]

War is not a movie. The video should not reveal some of the capabilities of our technology. As in the case of Rita, a speech informant.

[impostor]

Duc all and hooked on Rita, can cut soundtracks?

[Cb master]

And what is such an unusual secret in a speech informant.
Do you ride in a taxi? There has been something similar for a long time, haven't you heard?))

[voyaka uh]

From videos like this, you can see how outdated the systems are, the displays are museum, the zooms are weak.
Helicopters, in order to detect a target, have to fly up almost
close, risking their lives.

[hohol95]

Does your "flyers" receive information immediately on the "crust" of the brain?

[voyaka uh]

Our Apaches always work at night. And on them, night vision devices are much stronger than Ka-52 daytime sights. Plus, they have radars on them to see farther.

But, in any case, attack helicopters will give way to drones. And it will happen pretty soon. And the Apaches will leave, and Ka ...

[Gippo]

You're right. Only KA before.
These NURS roll-up launches alone inspire fierce hopelessness.

[Charik]

Even such Ka and Mi will come down to punish all kinds of dibilchikov who want to fight against the Russians. And they will receive nurses and cast iron because of their stupidity.

[Negruz]

Our Apaches always work at night

Apaches are American ....

[Synoid]

Yours? You won't be able to produce anything if the import is stopped. Hungry/kepts living on welfare.

[stankow]

"There will be no cinema, no newspapers, no radio, no theater, one continuous television."

[Boa kaa]

Quote: voyaka uh

systems are outdated, museum displays, zooms are weak.

Well, yes, well, yes ... And we have last year's snow, and our chickens lay square eggs, and your grandmother's windows in Podil went out into the trash ...
Only in Israel everything is kosher and first-class ... a little smelly, but this is at the will of the seller ...

[sh3roman]

Let's talk about RF! There are no telephones, no TVs and no computers, no operating systems, all cars are imported, even grants with vests for 70% of imported components and assemblies. There is no civil aviation, machine tool building has been killed, there is no production of bearings, imported seeds, no livestock either, they have ruined breeding work. But what is there, there are no trimmers and lawn mowers, as well as the production of internal combustion engines, Chinese gazelles. Cummins, medical equipment and medicines too everything is imported. in the household store, starting from the braid and ending with self-tapping screws and hacksaws china. yes, the cable is already being sold for that one !!!! Here it is the truth of life from reality and not from TV propaganda

[Boa kaa]

Quote: sh3roman

Here it is the truth of life from reality and not from TV propaganda

And where do you live and live, poor fellow? Probably in some thread Zhmerenka! In Kaliningrad, we have almost everything to eat about our own. Cars? Yes, while they are imported, but there are GTPERSONIC missiles, NUCLEAR submarines and the world's best ICBM-CRBD. missile defense / air defense systems. And the rest - we'll handle it! We will restore everything, we will do it as it was under the commies, but only better: more modern and cheaper at cost.
For the past 30 years, the country has been pressed, and led a crooked path through the capitalist market with an international division of labor. There was no need to listen to the sweet-voiced Harvard Soros, and we would have had everything our own.
But there is no prophet in his Fatherland! However, THUNDER BREAKED!!! Those who did not have time to cross themselves - they burped or they "left". The rest hastily got down to business (import substitution) in the hope of being in time before the "global flood". The fifth column was pinned down. We show Uncle Sam the fig on his Wishlist, we admonish the country-U ...
The work is on. And if you, dear man, do not like something - kill yourself with a run against the wall! One whiner will be less, and the air will be cleaner. All after all benefit for "cleansing".
Ischo something you want to make a thread? -- Well , then write directly -- to SPORTLOTO ! (With)

[sh3roman]

well, you can see the fool from afar, I wonder how in the 21st century, the century of information, you have not yet died out, but only multiply, you are cloned on the star channel ???

[sh3roman]

I wonder how old??? senile dementia is progressing, or just a lack of brains ???

[Strelets1]

Quote: voyaka uh

systems are outdated, museum displays, zooms are weak.

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Warrior, and you would drive up to an unsalable, sit in a trench, and decide under fire from a pair of K-52s ... hehe ... "they have weak zooms" or not very ...

[Alexander 3]

It just came to me, my colleague's grandson got hit by stingers. He died. It would be better if I were there. He still has children to grow. And he already. We are the Military see everything. It’s bad that they don’t take me to the Air Force, old.

[Negruz]

Terrible loss, condolences...

[Charik]

Well, if you know what kind of armament the enemy has, you can hang 7 km away from him and shoot without moving, but since there can sit in any bush, that’s why it flies, shot, lapel, what’s not clear here?

[MOLODCHIK]

not only stingerast but also stugnarast and zushka23rast... it is very dangerous to hang.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Don't tell stories.

[Scharnhorst]

The ZSU 23-4 Shilka, which is in service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, is the closest analogue of this German product, which has been in operation in the Bundeswehr since 1976.

I would call "Tunguska", at least the caliber is closer ...

[impostor]

The campaign is not a caliber, but an emitter, do Shilka and Tunguska have GOS?

[iouris]

So Switzerland is not neutral, and was not neutral, but only pretended to be for big money.

[Motorist]

Quote: iouris

So Switzerland is not neutral

Following this logic, a neutral country cannot produce weapons or ammunition at all - what if the parties to the conflict take advantage of this?

[Charik]

Yeah, and she was just friends with the Hitlerite, they hid the loot from Europe and the USSR for thanks.

[sh3roman]

They also made weapons to Hitler, only Mza Oerlikon, how many of our flyers he killed, you can’t count, and there was a lot more from supposedly neutral Switzerland

[Revolver]

Quote: iouris

So Switzerland is not neutral, and was not neutral, but only pretended to be for big money.

Rather, some Brazilians bought a thread from the presence. Switzerland guards its neutrality about as zealously as its territory, and the laws on deliveries to the warring countries really work there. And so they supply a lot of things to whom in peacetime, so the Germans could well find it on the secondary market.

[impostor]

Why the Cheetah, and not the Patriot - we will soon find out: have the houses been built? Raised sons? Have you planted trees? Well Duc shoot your asses off the ZKP sofas and sign a contract! The deadlines have been extended.))) And jokes are jokes, everything is going to this!

[Andrey VOV]

Have you already signed it yourself, or is your butt heavy?

[impostor]

Be patient, my friend, time will tell who has it hard, who has it easier. Cover your fangs for now, isho will come in handy, I think

[Andrey VOV]

Have you decided to be rude? Got up off the couch? Who are you in life to point? What is the number of the VUS and where did you serve?

[impostor]

What other personal data are you interested in? A blueprint of a military man, do you need a passport?
[media=https://yandex.ru/video/preview/?filmId=2003472520761971738&from=tabbar&parent-reqid=1654358763535398-557486433949951024-vla1-4630-vla-l7-balancer-8080-BAL-2132&text=%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8+%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81+%D0%BA+%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%BC+%D1%83%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC+%D0%B2%D0%BA]

[impostor]

VUS is written on the 2nd and 3rd pages of the military man, but why? Suddenly I communicate with khokhlomrazyu?

[Arkady Goryunov]

So what? How did the story end? Who is providing this information? Does he even read?

[rocket757]

The Ka-52 helicopter, when striking, discovered the German ZSU "Cheetah" that threatened it

. It's not easy, it's dangerous, it's war!
Shaw can be wished to our fighters, pilots ... in addition to the reliable operation of equipment, a lot, a lot, good luck !!!

[Maximus196723]

Germany completely spoiled relations with Russia, the world after the NWO will be completely different. And the K 52 helicopter is a good car, the helicopter shows what it is capable of in very extreme situations, with such equipment Russia will get rid of the equipment supplied by Germany.

[sh3roman]

Yes, nothing will be new, you do not know our history. We always have everything in a circle and the same rake. Although after the Crimean War, Russian-Turkish, WWI and even WWII, everyone was forgiven everything and everyone was forgotten. And then everyone spit on us, from a high bell tower.

[Arkady007]

More like a commercial.

[Charik]

More like Arcadia 0,7

[Clone]

There are no Cheetahs there. For now. The equipment responded to "related" radiation.

[Quarantine]

So the Fritz are supplying weapons ...

[certero]

Quote: Alexander 3

War is not a movie. The video should not reveal some of the capabilities of our technology

But the movie is propaganda. Which is missing tenfold. If there were hundreds of such videos, the opponent would be weaker

[Andrey VOV]

Quote: Ichigo Kurosaki

spo on radiation radar navigation identified do not thank

Well, write correctly, well, it hurts the eye

[DominickS]

Yes, he's ten years old.

[Gippo]

Do you see the Cheetah?
And he is .... Well, everyone can see from the video. I do not see. Probably blind.

[Crisp]

Quote: Ruslan Vasileostrovsky

Forgive me for being stupid, but how does automation understand that this is a "cheetah"?

For each system, radars have their own specific type of signal. They are entered into the database of aviation defense systems, ground services. And, by the nature of the radiation, it is clear who the enemy is. Moreover, it is determined whether they are following you, aiming or have already opened fire. The operating modes of the locator in all these stages are different.

[Mint Gingerbread]

This is what happens, in theory, you can put tricks in greenery, imitating the frequencies of different radars and it will scream attacks from behind, left, right cheetah-cheetah-cheetah. I remembered tractors that were specially sheathed so that they looked like tanks. Psychological attack like sailors on zebras

[Revolver]

German guns firing at Russians in Ukraine. Someone would have said this to Stalin after 1945, and even to Mishana Gorbachev and Borey Yeltsin until 1991. Something would have been added to the patients' fool, because even Stalin would have taken this not for enemy intrigues, but for insanity.

[DJ]

Not a single army, except ours, is armed with helicopters with a coaxial propeller system. No one could bring to mind this most complex design. But we did.

[Ros 56]

Yeah. It cannot be compared with the work of the Il-2 attack aircraft, when they had to climb into the inferno. But both those and these Heroes with a capital letter.

[riwas]

The Ka-52 helicopter, when striking, discovered the German ZSU "Cheetah" that threatened it

With timely detection, our helicopters can easily shoot them from long-range missiles. It has been confirmed that NATO "disguises" its deliveries, first delivers to the quiet, and then begins a discussion in the media about the possibility of delivery.

[DominickS]

The radiation signature is similar, perhaps, that's what I determined.

[Valery Vl.]

Well, gentlemen of the Germans, you will .... a scribe. Believe me, we didn't want this. Bulletproof vests and helmets are still allowed. Well, there are gas masks. But we most likely will not forgive you for this. Babedura and Olaf, who Scholz should go on an excursion to the Reichstag, read the inscriptions and then definitely go to church.

[Mint Gingerbread]

Quote from DJ

Not a single army, except ours, is armed with helicopters with a coaxial propeller system. No one could bring to mind this most complex design. But we did.

It will not be said in defense, but as a statement of fact. Not a single army, except the United States, is armed with convertiplanes. No one could bring this most complex design to mind, and the Americans are actively modifying the V-280 Valor to replace the Bell V-22 Osprey

[Okakakiev]

It's not a cheetah, just a voice message.
Vertych just discovered the radiation of the Near Radius Radar and the typical carrier is a NATO cheetah

[Pavel57]

Inconsistency. Where do cheetahs come from in Ukraine?

[Zaurbek]

And how did he determine that the Cheetah?

[JagerRock]

Quote: Andrey VOV

There are no more Slovak C300s

Are there any photos / videos with the destroyed Slovak C300 somewhere? interesting to see

[SiberianGun]

There is no doubt about the danger of the "Cheetah". People have played enough computer games and, in general, are far from the realities of a real battle. Therefore, they ask why the Cheetah was not destroyed. Against missiles, the KA-52 has the Vitebsk complex, but nothing will save the KA-52 from the Oerlikons of the Gepard.
Range, according to various sources, from 4 km to 5,5 km. The combined rate of fire is 1100 rounds per minute. The radar target detection range is 15 km. 2 35mm guns.
Somewhere there was a comparison that "Cheetah" cuts like a saw.
Therefore, the best thing that a helicopter could do in this situation was to get out of detection and then intelligence should figure out what it was. "Gepard" is very dangerous for our helicopters, although it was decommissioned in Germany long ago.
These "Cheetahs" were not only in Germany, but also in Romania, for example. It was easy for the Romanians to secretly deliver - it was enough just to pull the strings for the Americans. Shells could also be supplied not only by Germany, but also by Brazil and the same Romania.
So you need to check everything and destroy the "Cheetahs" in the first place. The life of every Russian soldier is priceless. Including the pilots of the KA-52.

[Twodi]

The news is as old as NBO. And it’s far from a fact that this is a Cheetah, ask the flyers, it could be both Shilka and Tunguska (although unlikely), but in our technology you will not hear notifications a la “Attack from behind Shilka” because it is assumed that we will fight with Western weapons. Actually, for the same reason, "Attack from behind, Stinger" is not a Needle, not an Arrow, but a Stinger!

[Techno]

They shot down the turntable...