Novocherkassk shooting. How Khrushchev destroyed the USSR

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Novocherkassk shooting. How Khrushchev destroyed the USSR

Commemorative plaque at the plant management of the Novocherkassk Electric Locomotive Plant named after. S. M. Budyonny (NEVZ)

60 years ago, Khrushchev's anti-people policy led to a terrible tragedy - the Novocherkassk execution. Due to rising prices and lower tariff rates, thousands of people went on strike and put forward their demands to the authorities. Troops were thrown at the strikers, the crowd was dispersed by automatic fire to kill. Dozens of people were killed and injured.

Khrushchev


The main reason for the tragedy was Khrushchev's anti-people policy. The post-war flourishing of the country, the improvement of living standards in cities and villages, which continued for some time after Stalin's death, turned out to be short-lived. They flirted with the people as long as there was a struggle in the party leadership. As Khrushchev seized power, destructive "reforms" began. Destructive, chaotic, disorderly, which on the whole led to the destruction of the Stalinist course in social, economic and foreign policy. To the "perestroika" of the Soviet Union, which ultimately led to its collapse.



With all the randomness, voluntarism (arbitrary decision-making contrary to objective conditions and circumstances) of Khrushchev's policy, with all the widest range of Khrushchev's "reforms", one general pattern can be distinguished. All "reforms" led to the collapse of the Soviet state. In essence, Gorbachev's team will also operate in the future. The only difference is that they managed to stop Khrushchev's perestroika-1, they neutralized the enemy of the people himself. The only pity is that humanely, because he heaped up cases for several life sentences.

Khrushchev, who considered himself a great specialist in the field of agriculture, quickly put an end to the rise of the agrarian sector. He ordered the liquidation of state machine and tractor stations. Collective farms were ordered to buy all the equipment. Moreover, the prices for used cars, frank junk, were inflated. All the savings of collective farms for several years were spent on this. Also, most of the collective farms did not have the material and technical base for servicing tractors, combines and other equipment. There was no personnel base, they could not pay technicians, drivers the same salaries as in MTS. It was a serious blow to the country's agriculture.

Khrushchev dealt several more painful blows to the agriculture of the USSR:

1) a campaign to enlarge collective farms, a project to create agro-towns, which required large financial investments, personnel, and eventually died out;

2) liquidation of "unpromising" villages. Trained personnel, young people were transferred to the development of the outskirts, including Central Asia, and the bloodless Russian villages in the Non-Black Earth region were subject to liquidation. This led to the fact that numerous abandoned villages and farms began to appear in the Great Russian provinces. A "mine" has been placed under the demographic reproduction of the Russian people;

3) the development of virgin lands in Central Asia, where personnel (machine operators, livestock specialists, tractor drivers, drivers, agronomists, teachers, doctors, etc.), youth and equipment were driven. First there was a rapid growth in grain production. And then the big problems started;

4) destructive "corn" and "meat" campaigns, "milk records" were added;

5) a new wave of collectivization, when subsidiary farms and personal plots allowed under Stalin were prohibited, personal livestock were ordered to be sold to collective farms.

Part-time farms occupied the very minimum in the total area of ​​cultivated land (1,5%), but they provided the country with vegetables and gave the peasants the opportunity to earn money. Now the collective farmers were ruined, slaughtered cattle, poultry, so as not to give away for nothing, and moved to the cities to get jobs in factories and factories. Or they left for virgin lands, where wages were high and it was possible to "break out into the people."


Preparation for the collapse of the Union


Khrushchev broke firewood in almost all areas and directions. He returned ahead of time the peoples deported under Stalin, even before the formation of new generations, cut off from tribal traditions, who grew up in the matrix of a more highly developed Russian (Soviet) civilization. At the same time, part of the Cossack regions was given to the Chechen-Ingush Republic, Dagestan. They carried out a hidden deportation of Ossetians, Circassians, Kabardians, who during the years of the Great Patriotic War were given the lands of the guilty nationalities. In general, they laid the mines of national conflicts that exploded after the collapse of the USSR. Another mine was the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR.

Under Khrushchev, another wave of Ukrainization also began in Little Russia-Ukraine. With the displacement of the Russian language from everywhere, the closure of Russian schools, the introduction of language where it never existed. In essence, Khrushchev returned to the Trotskyist, international politics of the 1920s, dominated by the fight against "Great Russian chauvinism" and the policy of decossackization. For example, in the North Caucasus, a policy of resettling the highlanders on the plain was carried out, and they were sent to the places of traditional residence of the Cossacks. This eventually led to the fact that there were no Russians left in these areas or they were now in the minority, with all the ensuing consequences.

In Kazakhstan, a policy was pursued to transfer the steppe Kazakhs to settled residence. And the nomads were settled not in new virgin areas that were just to be mastered, but in those that had already been mastered, where Russian villages and Cossack villages had long existed. After all, the Russian regions of the Southern Urals and Siberia, almost half of the territory of the republic, were transferred to Kazakhstan. And then the former nomads began to settle in new places, after they were mastered by Russians-Great Russians, Russians-Little Russians, Russian Germans.

As part of the nomination of "national cadres", representatives of the "titular" nations received key posts in the party, administration, economic bodies, the system of science and education. Additional resources went to the development of the "titular" intelligentsia. That is, the collapse of the USSR according to national apartments was being prepared.

Under Khrushchev, the persecution of the Russian church began again, which experienced a revival under Stalin. Again, churches were closed all over the country, given to warehouses, storage facilities and social institutions. If under Stalin the number of operating churches reached 20 thousand, then under Khrushchev their number was reduced to 7,5 thousand. Repressions against priests and believers resumed. The surviving Old Believer communities did not escape persecution either. They were declared "sectarians" and prayer houses were closed. Along the way, they again “cut off” the Russian history, robbed Russian treasures that had been accumulated for centuries. Ancient icons, ancient books and manuscripts and other artifacts were taken out from the Old Believer communities. Many of these cultural and historical treasures of Russian civilization later disappeared without a trace.

Khrushchev dealt a series of blows to the Russian people, disrupting their reproduction. So, the Stalinist decree was canceled, which banned abortions and introduced criminal liability for them. They explained this by saying that, they say, the bans are “ineffective”, and abortions are done underground, in unsanitary conditions, by amateurs. Better legally, in hospitals. So, we started a program to reduce the Russian people (plus the elimination of "unpromising" Russian villages).

Khrushchev's blows on foreign policy and the army


Khrushchev brought a lot of harm in foreign policy. He began a policy of "détente". At our expense! Western "partners" were in no hurry to make compromises and concessions, they only "morally" supported Khrushchev's unilateral steps. As they will later do with Gorbachev. Like, well done, keep it up. Khrushchev, on the other hand, showed himself to be a complete Trotskyist in this matter. He proclaimed that the world should move towards complete disarmament, disband the national armies, save only the militia-police. He announced a unilateral cessation of nuclear testing, carried out a large-scale reduction of the Soviet armed forces. More than twice! The West did not react to this ostentatious peacefulness, continued to arm itself.

They cut to the living, in one fell swoop they destroyed the achievements of many years of hard, hard work. Combat officers were expelled, without housing, retraining, without pensions. "Optimized" divisions, regiments and schools. Breakthrough military-technical developments were stopped. Covered the construction program of a first-class ocean fleet, ships already built or almost built were sent for scrap. drastically reduced Aviation. Khrushchev believed that it was enough to have intercontinental missiles and a nuclear submarine fleet.

In conditions when the colonial system began to disintegrate, Khrushchev's Moscow undertook to win over various regimes in Africa and Asia to its side. This resulted in a colossal waste of forces and resources that did not go towards the development of our country and people. Various regimes were declared friendly, they willingly expressed "friendship" in order to milk the USSR. In fact, in foreign policy they revived the Trotskyist course towards “proletarian internationalism” and “world revolution”.

At the same time, Khrushchev managed to quarrel with China. Mao Zedong was against the policy of de-Stalinization; in China, Stalin was very respected. Moscow also refused to help Beijing develop its nuclear program. As a result, the two great socialist powers became competitors in countries with a socialist orientation. China began to establish ties with the West. And the USSR had to create a powerful military group in the east of the country, counting on the possibility of a war with the Middle Kingdom. Spend a lot of time and money on this. Instead of a calm, friendly rear in the east, we got a hidden enemy.

Approaching disaster


In addition to everything else, "reforms" of industry were launched in the USSR. Since 1957, a course has been taken towards the decentralization of the national economy. Branch ministries, union and republican ones were liquidated. Economic councils were created on a territorial basis. In one region or another, plants and factories that belonged to different departments and produced various goods were united under common leadership and had to interact with each other. This led to chaos, disruption of funding and supply, and destruction of industry ties and infrastructure. To remedy the situation, they began to create republican economic councils over the regional ones, and then an all-union one.

Despite all the problems, in 1959 the slogan "Catch up and overtake America!" The 5st Party Congress adopts a 7-year plan instead of a 7-year one. For XNUMX years, they planned to catch up and overtake America in terms of total production, in terms of per capita indicators. Ensure the highest standard of living in the USSR.

At the same time, de-Stalinization continued in the country. In 1961, the XXII Party Congress opened. Again, a sea of ​​​​dirt was poured on the dead leader. He hung everything that was possible, including the murder of Kirov. Stalin's body was taken out of the mausoleum. Monuments were demolished everywhere, a wave of renaming, Stalin's books were confiscated from libraries, corresponding paintings, portraits, busts, etc. were destroyed. Khrushchev appointed and promoted his own nominees. Instead of the professionals of the Stalin era, outright sycophants, swindlers, bureaucrats, who on paper had solid victories and successes, advanced.

At the 20nd Congress, a program was put forward for building communism in the USSR in 1971 years. Until XNUMX, they were going to complete the construction of the material and technical base of communism. A new wave of storming, emergency work has begun. Leveling, which was not under Stalin. Under Khrushchev, highly qualified specialists could receive fewer laborers. The motivation to learn, develop and improve oneself was lost. Negative changes took place in the education system.

The skew in the development of industry has intensified. Again, the emphasis was on heavy industry, to the detriment of light industry. The increase in production was due to the construction of more and more new plants, and not due to the modernization, increasing the productivity of existing ones. The traditional regions of Russian industry were left almost without attention. We intensively developed the material and technical base in the national regions - in the Baltic States, Western Ukraine, the Caucasus, and Turkestan. Russian specialists were sent there, most of the financial resources, equipment, machinery and equipment. That is, the material base of the future collapse of the USSR was being prepared.

This led to the fact that consumer goods began to disappear from store shelves. At the same time, agriculture was destroyed. The first gain from the development of virgin lands turned out to be an illusion. The plowing of land destroyed vast pastures. Soil erosion began, the land was quickly depleted, requiring more and more fertilizers. Dust storms began, the loss of humus in the fertile layer amounted to 1/3. Yields already in the early 60s fell by 65% ​​and became lower than on the old arable land. Since 1959, they had to start using state grain reserves, and since 1963, they had to systematically buy bread abroad. Bought from USA!

It was the "bottom"! In difficult times - the 1920s-1930s, it was very difficult for the Russian peasants, the country was restored, raised, and a new economy was built. But agricultural products were exported, the currency from its sale was the most important source of development of the USSR. And under Khrushchev, currency and gold flowed into the hands of our enemies. In general, they "overtook and overtook" America.

Novocherkassk execution


Thus, in the early 1960s, the country faced the threat of famine. A relatively tolerable supply was maintained only in Moscow, Leningrad, the capitals of the Union republics. Elsewhere, the situation has deteriorated significantly. Cards were not introduced, but behind the scenes, the sale of products became rationed. Bread was given by loaf in hand. Huge queues lined up outside the shops at night.

And the authorities lied, they said that the people began to live better and more cheerfully. Like, they buy more, so in some places there is a shortage of goods. They tried to get out of the situation at the expense of ordinary people. Food prices were increased by 25-30%, tariff rates for production fell by a third.

The people were outraged. Somewhere it began to break out. In Novosibirsk and Karaganda, Khrushchev was running away from the raging crowd. In Kyiv, Novorossiysk, Tashkent and Gorky he was greeted with hatred. There were spontaneous protests in Moscow, Leningrad, Murom and other cities. The most famous was the spontaneous riot in Novocherkassk. For residents of the city, the “reforms” in agriculture, which led to an increase in prices for milk, meat and other food products, coincided with a decrease in wages at the electric locomotive plant, a city-forming enterprise (NEVZ), where more than half of the townspeople worked. “What are we to live on? How to feed their families?!” – with such questions people came to the management of the plant on June 1, 1962.

The authorities, instead of seeking a compromise, responded with rudeness. The plant manager told the people:

“No money for meat? Eat liver pies."

A strike began at the factory, and by nightfall a crowd of thousands had gathered. Moscow was informed of an "anti-Soviet rebellion". On the morning of June 2, a demonstration of thousands of indignant workers and other residents of the city with red banners and portraits of Lenin headed to the city center to the building of the city party committee. Some soldiers of the Novocherkassk garrison joined the crowd (they were without weapons). The city authorities did not want to talk to the protesters; instead, several automatic bursts were fired into the air, several people were injured. Panic ensued, stampede. Further - which, according to eyewitnesses, defies reasonable explanation, machine gun fire was transferred to the crowd - to unarmed civilians. Dozens of people died and were injured.

According to official figures, 24 people died and 70 were injured. Dozens of military and Interior Ministry employees received bruises, beatings and wounds. Later, seven "instigators of unrest", who were charged with banditry, riots and an attempt to overthrow the Soviet regime, were shot. 103 people received terms of imprisonment from 10 to 15 years. After the dismissal of Khrushchev, many convicts were released from prison, six of those shot were completely rehabilitated. Information on the "Novocherkassk case" was classified, and the first publications appeared in the press only during "perestroika" in the late 1980s.

The Novocherkassk tragedy was a serious wake-up call for the USSR. Khrushchev's perestroika led to the disintegration of the country, a bloody catastrophe. Fortunately, there were more destroyers, Trotskyists, careerists, money-grubbers and other enemies of the people in the Soviet elite at that time. Khrushchev was sent into retirement. The country was saved for a generation.
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  1. 0
    2 June 2022 04: 44
    A "mine" has been placed under the demographic reproduction of the Russian people;

    It still haunts our people.
    There is a video where Khrushchev dragged Gagarin and Tereshkova by the handles for two hours at various political events ... he was afraid to see that they would get tired of it ... I consider this disrespect for such outstanding people.
    In general, when unbalanced and incompetent leaders get to the highest power in Russia, trouble begins ... how many times it has already happened ... something must be done about it. what
    1. +3
      2 June 2022 04: 59
      something needs to be done about it.


      Straight to the classics.)))

      1. -4
        2 June 2022 05: 14

        Straight to the classics.)))



        There are two troubles in Russia ... roads and fools ...
        We are coping poorly with the first one, but we are not yet successful with the second one. smile
        1. +5
          2 June 2022 05: 41
          Later, seven "instigators of unrest", who were charged with banditry, riots and an attempt to overthrow the Soviet regime, were shot.

          In fairness, there were enough outright bandits-instigators in the ranks of the protesters, as always.
          https://dmpokrov.livejournal.com/494593.html?ysclid=l3wefueos7
          1. +3
            3 June 2022 19: 41
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            In fairness, there were enough outright bandits-instigators in the ranks of the protesters, as always.

            The author is too simplistic in his approach to the issue ... as they say, the people eat.
            1. -7
              5 June 2022 08: 43
              Quote: Alexey Sedykin

              The author is too simplistic in his approach to the issue ... as they say, the people eat.

              Not simplified, but perverted. Shooting at the protesters was a necessary measure.
              In no way am I defending Khrushchev.
          2. 0
            5 June 2022 11: 59
            This Perlmutter Khrushch (Beetle) was a hidden Trotskyist and carried out the plans of the Anglo-Saxon beau monde
        2. +6
          2 June 2022 10: 07
          New case in Russian: "executive"
          Answers the questions "Who?" and "For what?"
        3. +3
          2 June 2022 13: 40
          You are wrong, Russia's first trouble is self-criticism. :)
          1. 0
            3 June 2022 19: 43
            Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
            You are wrong, Russia's first trouble is self-criticism. :)

            This is yes ... with this we have a complete misfortune. From top to bottom. As well as in the rest of the world.
        4. 0
          10 June 2022 21: 52
          In my humble opinion, laziness and FSUs ... do not care about our troubles.
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      1. +1
        2 June 2022 09: 03
        why did you squeal a word and Nikita himself said this word even in front of movie screenings in the news of the day Nikita uttered without hesitation only he said buggers
    3. +5
      2 June 2022 09: 49
      Well, a very "respectable" person Tereshkova, nowhere else ..
      1. -4
        3 June 2022 19: 45
        For example, I have a lot of respect. Like many others, like those who elected her. How does your Lelo treat her, but the opinion of her countrymen who elected her could be respected. And first, fly into space and then criticize.
    4. +5
      2 June 2022 13: 20
      Tereshkova and did it right, as it turned out that he was dragging, she was not outstanding at all ... but a careerist opportunist
    5. +3
      5 June 2022 22: 53
      The communists have perfectly shown how to deal with popular protests! Remember, remember! How the tsarist secret police underperformed in these events and therefore they did not suffer from pacifism .. They knew exactly how to do it! It is necessary to acquaint the current liberals and their dairy brothers komaseks with this event without fail ..


  2. +4
    2 June 2022 05: 01
    The most curious thing is that "saving the country from Khrushch" strongly resembles K. Chukovsky's fairy tale "Cockroach", where the sparrow turned out to be the savior of the entire animal world. A wise story about our society!

    After Stalin, his party position as secretary of the Central Committee was perceived as the abandoned throne of the Tsar. Although initially in 1922 it was not a symbol of the personal dictatorship of the Emperor. But the psychology of society, which has remained unchanged since the 17th century, has made "Secretary General" synonymous with the word Tsar.

    And the fact that Khrushch was removed strictly according to the charter by a simple meeting, a plenum of the Central Committee was perceived by the people in much the same way as the overthrow of Tsar Nicholas II from the throne.

    This is the main reason for the collapse of the USSR - democratic laws do not work in practice or act only as an exception in a society with the mentality of the 17th century.

    Millions of descendants of serfs obediently vote "FOR" anything simply because "it's necessary." This is the mass idiocy of village life in the 17th century, transferred to the level of politics in the 20th and 21st centuries. .

    The Tsar-Secretary Boris "came", gouged and destroyed everything, and only one of the military, Marshal Akhromeev, tried to remain faithful to the Oath. But it was not possible to save the country a second time from the Cockroach
    1. +7
      2 June 2022 06: 46
      About the predominance of heavy industry over light industry, it’s not entirely true. Maybe only in terms of wages. Light industry also developed. development. The fact that the party elite, starting with the maize plant, began to degrade is true. The tough Stalinist hand did not become, and here is the result.
      1. -6
        2 June 2022 09: 03
        Quote: dmi.pris
        There was no hard Stalinist hand and this is the result.

        As a result of the inter-party struggle, the Trotskyists came to power. Trotskyist Khrushchev failed to turn the Stalinist economy towards the West with a swoop. Then they took a longer route, through the Brezhnev slush and the Gorbachev skirmish.

        Under Stalin, each republic developed independently, investing its share in national interests - defense, medicine, etc. . He, relying on our troops from them, did the same with the socialist camp ... Therefore, it is not surprising that the former socialist and socialist camps turned away from us so quickly. China did not want to "lay down" under Khrushchev. What happened after that in our relationship, we know.

        Today, Putin builds our relations with other states according to the Stalinist principle: "As someone stomped, so he popal" - no one owes anything to anyone, common projects are only on mutually beneficial terms, i.e. on a mutually fair basis - this is the future arrangement of a multi-polar World.
        1. +1
          2 June 2022 09: 45
          Yes. And what about writing off debts on loans, etc.? I’m already silent that the Central Asians are satisfied here
          1. +4
            2 June 2022 10: 08
            Quote: dmi.pris
            Yes. What about writing off debts on loans, etc.?

            For us, money is a way of survival.
            On the interstate, this is a way of managing.

            Quote: dmi.pris
            I'm already silent that the Central Asians are satisfied here

            They are only satisfied with what we allow them to do (to work as janitors, builders, etc.. We closed the vocational schools ourselves - not they, we did it ourselves, but we need working hands ...). First you need to win in Ukraine and deal with the "Westerners" in our country.

            On TV there are proposals to deprive our citizenship of persons who publicly speak "disrespectfully" about our country. I agree with this.
        2. -4
          3 June 2022 19: 48
          Ek, how you were minus ... Trotskyists-leftists, probably or the like.
        3. +1
          3 June 2022 20: 11
          Boris55 (Boris): Under Stalin, each republic developed independently, investing its share in national interests - defense, medicine, etc. . Search the web for 10 documentary series "USSR - Reverse Empire".
        4. +1
          7 June 2022 13: 16
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          Boris55 (Boris)

          relations with other states according to the Stalinist principle: "As someone stomped, so he ate" - no one owes anything to anyone, common projects only on mutually beneficial terms, i.e. on a mutually fair basis - this is the future arrangement of a multi-polar world.


          We don't owe anyone anything!
          Stop feeding all sorts of sticky
          But we owe a lot. And huge funds.
          We must force them to return to our treasury
      2. +1
        2 June 2022 10: 02
        About the predominance of heavy industry over light industry is not entirely true.

        Well, as if the members of the Central Committee themselves in the 70s said that group A correlates with group B as 3 to 1 .....
      3. -1
        2 June 2022 14: 36
        There was no hard Stalinist hand and this is the result.


        But what if the consequence of the degradation of the party elite is precisely because of the very harsh hand of Stalin? Negative selection in all its glory, an environment of sycophants, rogues, etc. is inevitably formed around the leader. And this is clearly seen how Stalin's entourage in a single impulse carried his body out of the Mausoleum.
        1. +1
          2 June 2022 19: 04
          Quote from: stirrer
          But what if the consequence of the degradation of the party elite is precisely because of the very harsh hand of Stalin? Negative selection in all its glory, an environment of sycophants, rogues, etc. is inevitably formed around the leader.
          You have in some strange way connected a hard hand with sycophants and rogues. If fawning or something like that allows a crook who has failed to work to avoid punishment from the boss, this is not a hard hand at all, but a rag. Rogues are usually not so stupid as to climb under a hard hand where you can easily pay with your life.
          1. 0
            2 June 2022 19: 36
            Rogues are usually not so stupid as to climb under a hard hand where you can easily pay with your life.


            Well, Khrushchev is a typical sycophant and rogue, he amused the Leader at their "cooperatives", Molotov is a rag (he easily abandoned his wife when they brought her under Stalin's case and when, after his death, Beria immediately closed the case with his initial statements), Malenkov the same rag easily fell under the influence of Khrushchev, etc. In general, look who stood up for Stalin after his death, who was against the cult, who was against the removal of the body from the Mausoleum?
            A cult and a hard hand may be good in the short term, but in the historical, as we can see with the example of many authoritarian rulers / dictators, everything starts to line up around the Leader and rolls downhill after his death.
            1. +1
              2 June 2022 21: 20
              Quote from: stirrer
              In general, look who stood up for Stalin after his death, who was against the cult, who was against the removal of the body from the Mausoleum?
              Do you think that the entire CPSU consisted of some crooks and sycophants? Or did someone hear the protest cries of the delegates from the audience when Khrushchev made a report on the cult? No, we haven't. Maybe there were mass protests of the communists against the accusation of a cult of personality? It wasn't either. So it was not Stalin who surrounded himself with sycophants and launched this negative selection. Rather, I believe, it was launched in the era of the dictatorship of the proletariat as a cult of the leader. Isn't the ziggurat to Lenin, the praises addressed to him and the lack of criticism - this is not a sign of a personality cult? Stalin saw him, understood that the matter smelled of kerosene, but did not know how to deal with it, and therefore considered it a priority to develop a theory political economics of socialism, not economic theory.
              1. -3
                2 June 2022 21: 42
                Do you think that the entire CPSU consisted of some crooks and sycophants?


                Somehow, you deftly jumped from Stalin’s entourage to the entire CPSU, but in general, the entire CPSU for the most part was silent “approved” or “condemned”, because the system itself did not imply any other opinion other than the general party, because that Rabinovich fluctuated along with the line.

                Stalin saw him, understood that the matter smelled of kerosene, but did not know how to deal with it, and therefore considered it a priority to develop a theory of the political economy of socialism, and not an economic theory.


                There is one way, elections are called with open debates, etc., as well as limiting the term of office.
                1. +2
                  2 June 2022 22: 07
                  Quote from: stirrer
                  Somehow deftly you jumped from Stalin's entourage to the entire CPSU
                  And it seemed to me that it was you who deftly turned away from the entire CPSU (b)-CPSU in order to confine themselves to Stalin's entourage and attribute to him the launch of a negative selection. smile Stalin chose from those already selected. Today there are restrictions, debates... And how does it work?
                  1. -3
                    3 June 2022 10: 43
                    But it seemed to me that it was you who deftly turned away from the entire CPSU (b) -CPSU in order to confine yourself to the environment of Stalin and attribute to him the launch of a negative selection


                    Stalin's entourage was the very "elite" of the CPSU, the result of the selection of the "best" who could break through to the top.

                    Today there are restrictions, debates... And how does it work?

                    If there were restrictions, Putin would not have been president for the fourth time, and Putin never participated in live debates with the opposition (if I’m not mistaken), he didn’t even take part in presidential debates, despite the fact that all candidates were agreed by the Kremlin.
                    And now the situation is very similar, Putin has been in power since 99, sycophants, scoundrels are inevitably formed around him, ready to tell Putin only what he wants to hear (we take into account that Putin himself is honest and good).
                    1. 0
                      3 June 2022 20: 06
                      Quote from: stirrer
                      Putin in power
                      He doesn't bother me. And you do not give up, Putinophobia is curable!
                      1. -3
                        3 June 2022 20: 45
                        He doesn’t bother me either, we just once again step on the rake of life from one lifelong leader to another leader. And I would not even be against it, if it were not for the inevitable negative selection of the elite around the leader.
                      2. +1
                        3 June 2022 21: 17
                        Quote from: stirrer
                        if it were not for the inevitable negative selection of the elite around the leader.
                        There is no leader. There is a leader without a cult. In Ukraine, the West has raised a leader, a micro-fuhrer: they invite, they clap while standing, they sing praises, all opposition is banned, the Nazis are not noticed, and negative selection works. In the 80s and 90s, there was no longer a leader or a leader, and negative selection worked at full strength in various areas. Today, it has not completely disappeared, but is noticeably limited and coexists alongside positive selection. The websites of the Russian Federation, where Putin is not accused of raping cattle, are working. Even "our dear and beloved" is not called either by Solovyov or in the Duma. What is this cult. The beat of the West holds. For me, as long as health allows (and it allows), let him work for our glory, for the fear of enemies.
                      3. +1
                        11 August 2022 07: 47
                        When questions arise about Putin's irremovability, there is never a continuation - Who? In my opinion, there is no alternative equivalent to Putin in power. There is not a single bright personality. So Russia is still in an unstable position. There is no certainty where Russia will fall when Putin leaves.
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  3. +14
    2 June 2022 05: 36
    Here it is necessary to note two different vectors. The first is that the people saw and understood the destructive
    Khrushchev's policy. The second is that the liberal intelligentsia, who called themselves the sixties,
    Khrushchev's slush calls a thaw, but which was enough that a tribe of today's liberals in culture grew out of these chicks of the sixties. Today's clans of the Pugachevs-Galkins-Kirkorovs-Mironovs, which the young talents of a non-liberal persuasion close the path to the stage, are the heirs of the Khrushchev sixties ...
    1. +5
      2 June 2022 08: 22
      The second is that the liberal intelligentsia, who called themselves the sixties,
      This is not the "sixties". it's sixteen.
    2. -4
      2 June 2022 15: 25
      the people saw and understood the disastrous policy of Khrushchev

      Well I do not know. My parents did not commemorate Khrushchev with a bad word. As well as their relatives in the village. But Brezhnev was sometimes burned (now I understand that in vain).
  4. +4
    2 June 2022 05: 38
    Khrushch is an ambiguous personality, under Stalin he was a court fool, with his hands covered in the blood of the repressed, who did not particularly prove himself in the Second World War, but surrenders to Stalin other allegedly unsuccessful defendants in the command, such as Timoshenko.
    He took out his hatred for his humiliations, on the Stalinist cult and Beria's despotism. With the United States, he tried hard to dive in the military sphere - the "Caribbean crisis", although this is even a plus for him. progress, but having made quite a few mistakes, thanks to the flatterers in power, gave rise to his dismissal ...
  5. +7
    2 June 2022 05: 58
    A country of historical contrasts ... During his lifetime "... the king is good - the boyars are bad", after death "... the king is bad - the boyars are good"
    1. +6
      2 June 2022 06: 05
      And yes... Amused... About meat and pies. Thin. You can see the hand of the "master" bully
      1. +3
        2 June 2022 06: 59
        Quote: curvimeter
        And yes... Amused... About meat and pies. Thin. You can see the hand of the "master" bully

        They wrote about this back in the 90s, that it was so in the testimony of the convicts.
        1. +2
          2 June 2022 08: 38
          In the 90s lol Well, and if it was, those who made out the testimony, people with humor. Black...
          1. +3
            2 June 2022 11: 34
            Quote: curvimeter
            In the 90s lol Well, and if it was, those who made out the testimony, people with humor. Black...

            Well, actually there were a lot of criminal cases, many people mentioned these "pies".
            And yes - the investigators (26 investigators worked) would certainly not gag in such serious cases. This is not the theft of a chicken from a neighbor's barn - this is a rebellion against the authorities .. according to execution articles ...
            Kurochkin said these words to a group of delegates, which served as a fuse.
            The notorious "pasta" was then.
      2. +10
        2 June 2022 08: 44
        Good morning .
        I do not want to defend Khrushchev in my commentary.
        But by rearranging the dates and slightly changing the text, you can write like this about any leader of the Union.
        I don't like Samsonov's articles. In all articles, he blames everyone.
        But I confess that he has photos in his articles that he never had a chance to see.
      3. 0
        7 June 2022 08: 23
        Quote: curvimeter
        And yes... Amused... About meat and pies.

        Yeah ... no money, but you hold on (c)
  6. -15
    2 June 2022 06: 37
    Enough with cowardly nonsense to blame the communists for the seizure and dismemberment of the USSR by their enemies, and for what the enemies of the communists did to the republics of the USSR and their peoples they captured.
    Yes, Khrushchev "broken wood", like all enemies of the communists, slandered Stalin, but, unlike them, he was not an enemy of the USSR and the Soviet people.
    And they proved that they are FOR the shooting of rallies under Nicholas II, and for the shooting of the White House in October 1993 and the killing of people in and around the White House.
    1. +7
      2 June 2022 18: 29
      Quote: tatra
      .... Yes, Khrushchev "broken firewood", like all enemies of the communists, slandered Stalin, but, unlike them, he was not an enemy of the USSR and the Soviet people. .... .

      Simply goof! If not the enemy, then who? It was he who began the destruction of the USSR and the socialist camp, destroyed relations with friendly countries, nullified Stalin's programs and labor, material investments of millions of Soviet people ......
      And you don't think recourse his enemy. Kind of weird.
      1. -8
        3 June 2022 20: 26
        Enough of the cowardly anti-Soviet myths. DO NOT reach power in the USSR "Liberator" of the anti-Soviet-Russophobic clique Gorbachev, the USSR would still exist.
        1. +2
          4 June 2022 11: 12
          Khrushchev made it possible for the destroyers of the USSR to come to power! If Stalin repeatedly strengthened the USSR by forming the Commonwealth of Socialist Countries, then Khrushchev instantly destroyed and weakened it. The authority of the USSR and Stalin immediately became less. I see that you don't know. Why?
          Age?
          Education?
    2. 0
      3 June 2022 19: 55
      Do not blame those from Nibiru on the Anunaki? The USSR was being destroyed from the inside, all members of the party. And as for Khrushch, I have never heard a single good word from any villager.
      1. -7
        3 June 2022 20: 29
        These are the members of the CPSU with whom you, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, for 35 years, from your anti-communist Perestroika, have been slandering the Bolsheviks-Communists, whom you have been imposing into the power of Russia and the Russian people since 1991, boasting, like all of you with them "and now better than in the USSR under the communists "?
        1. +1
          3 June 2022 21: 26
          Quote: tatra
          These are the members of the CPSU with whom you, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, for 35 years, from your anti-communist Perestroika, have been slandering the Bolsheviks-Communists, whom you have been imposing into the power of Russia and the Russian people since 1991, boasting, like all of you with them "and now better than in the USSR under the communists "?

          Am I an enemy of the USSR? Give proof of this, especially considering that at 91 I was 14 years old.
          1. -7
            3 June 2022 21: 43
            Why are you, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, all TOGETHER raging against the Soviet people, and if we are talking about YOU, then each of you is only for himself, and all of you have nothing to do with everything?
            1. 0
              4 June 2022 06: 17
              Quote: tatra
              Why are you, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, all TOGETHER raging against the Soviet people, and if we are talking about YOU, then each of you is only for himself, and all of you have nothing to do with everything?

              Give me an example... so far you're raging here. Or is the USSR a "sacred cow" for you? In this case, it is not surprising that he disappeared. Turning a blind eye to problems is a sure way to create even bigger problems. After all, now in Ukraine we are struggling with the consequences of Khrushch's actions and decisions.
            2. +3
              4 June 2022 11: 17
              Quote: tatra
              Why are you, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, all TOGETHER raging against the Soviet people, and if we are talking about YOU, then each of you is only for himself, and all of you have nothing to do with everything?

              Asking questions to others, denouncing everyone and everyone, blaming, demanding answers, answer yourself!!!
              What were you doing in 1985?
              What were you doing in 1990?
              Как themselves saved the USSR?
              Why weren't they saved?
  7. +2
    2 June 2022 06: 43
    The actions of the current government will also be assessed in 50 years ..
    1. -8
      2 June 2022 07: 40
      Yes, the enemies of the USSR have already thrown out the rule of their benefactors Gorbachev and Yeltsin from history, they have forgotten them, they will just as quickly throw out and forget Putin.
      And again everything will start over again "and we have nothing to do with it, it was before us, we are still disentangling" as they whine for 20 Putin years that they "disentangle" after the Soviet communists and Yeltsin.
      1. -5
        2 June 2022 09: 21
        Quote: Gardamir
        The actions of the current government will also be assessed in 50 years ..

        Some actions of the authorities can be assessed even now.

        Quote: tatra
        Enough with cowardly nonsense to blame the communists for the capture and dismemberment of the USSR by their enemies
        Quote: tatra
        Yes, the enemies of the USSR have already thrown out the rule of their benefactors Gorbachev and Yeltsin from history

        Weren't Gorbachev and Yeltsin the most communist of the communists? laughing

        What do the "enemies of the communists" do after the communists destroyed the USSR:

        - Putin gathered Russia and restored the state (Stop feeding the Caucasus, Moscow...);
        - Russia grows territories (Crimea, South Ossetia, Donbass - Novorossiya);
        - the treasury is filled with money, which made it possible to ensure the implementation of social. obligations;
        - food security is ensured (no one remembers bush legs anymore);
        - reliable military protection of the state is provided;
        - the ruble becomes an international currency in fact - it is provided with all the resources of the country. Economist A. Loboda: "A strong national currency means low inflation and stable incomes of the population";
        - Now the issue of Russian sovereignty is being resolved in Ukraine, and it will be resolved. This will be followed by the industrialization of the country, which will need a highly educated, healthy workforce, which will require a change in both domestic and foreign policy.

        Are you opposed to this?
        1. +6
          2 June 2022 11: 19
          Quote: Boris55
          Some actions of the authorities can be assessed even now.

          Your "verbal crap" didn't bother you?
          Are the names of the destroyers of the country not an eyesore to you?
          Do you think that the state apparatus of the country works like clockwork, despite the incessant theft of budgetary funds, the unstoppable craving for enrichment and the irremovability of the bureaucracy?
          You are from "MULTIPLE" (!!!) increase in food prices, goods ANNUAL (!!!) are not "stupefied", which allows you to poke us with this:
          Quote: Boris55
          - the ruble becomes an international currency in fact - it is provided with all the resources of the country. Economist A. Loboda: "A strong national currency means low inflation and stable incomes of the population";

          How only after departure:
          TASS learned about checking Chubais and his entourage for corruption

          BEFORE THIS desire did not arise or did something interfere?
          WHY the State Migration Service, which has ruined the country's economy, is still being paid state support?
          On what basis are billions spent on the creation and maintenance of the EBN Center?
          Why hasn't the pension reform been reversed?
          Who still divides pensioners into castes?
          Quote: Boris55
          now the issue of Russian sovereignty is being resolved in Ukraine and it will be resolved.

          recourse
          It is a pity only - to live in this wonderful time
          I don’t have to - neither to me, nor to you.

          Issues of demilitarization and denazification are being resolved in Ukraine, while issues of Russian sovereignty affect other aspects. In particular, the presence of the State Flag at events where it represents Russia itself.
          Quote: Boris55
          Are you opposed to this?

          And why are you "drown" here?
          *****
          I see, my friends! an unoppressed people
          And Slavery, fallen at the behest of the king,
          And over the fatherland of Enlightened Freedom
          Will the beautiful Dawn rise at last?

          Without speculators from the Central Bank and other 330 banks, without that “golden hundred” of Russian oligarchs, without those 190 “lucky ones” who managed to earn a “dollar million” (and not one !!!), without that legislative lack of rights and administrative indifference , when: "Pioneer! Citizen! You are responsible for everything!”
          DO NOT TREAT US:
          We are not enemies, we are not enemies!
          1. +9
            2 June 2022 11: 46
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Without speculators from the Central Bank and other 330 banks, without that “golden hundred” of Russian oligarchs, without those 190 “lucky ones” who managed to earn a “dollar million” (and not one !!!), without that legislative lack of rights and administrative indifference when: “Pioneer! Citizen! You are responsible for everything!”
            DO NOT TREAT US:

            The situation in Novocherkassk with "eat pies with liver" - a story about " pasta"Don't you remember?
            There were no oligarchs, there were no cuts in the budget, there was no legislative lack of rights - there wasn’t, even Chubais was still very small - but "macaroni"that is to say" pies WHY were....
            First, cut incomes with the reform of 1961, and then also cut prices ...
            All for the people...
          2. 0
            2 June 2022 12: 08
            Quote: ROSS 42
            You from the "MULTIPLE" (!!!) increase in food prices, goods ANNUAL (!!!) did not "stupefy", which allows you to poke us with this:

            Here are the words. Read like this:
            You are from a "MULTIPLE" (!!!) increase in prices for food, goods over the past six months; from the ANNUAL (!!!) increase in tariffs, they didn’t “get stupid”, which allows you to poke us with this:

            Further down the line...
            hi
            1. -3
              2 June 2022 15: 22
              Quote: ROSS 42
              You from the "MULTIPLE" (!!!) increase in food prices, goods ANNUAL (!!!) did not "stupefy"

              In other words, you are not happy with:
              - that Russia did not fall apart into separate principalities;
              - that we are not delayed for half a year salaries, pensions;
              - that we do not take humanitarian aid in the form of "bush legs" from the United States;
              - that green is not worth 200 rubles. and more?

              You have opposed the sovereignty of Russia to your stomach. Is it really so difficult to understand that as long as Russia is a colony, we are not solving anything here? Your claims have been sent to the wrong address.



              Link to source: https://www.e1.ru/text/economics/2022/04/19/71266688/
              1. -2
                3 June 2022 20: 07
                Yes, it’s probably Tsipsoshny yelling ... we still have them in bulk on social networks.
            2. -2
              3 June 2022 20: 05
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Further down the line...

              Shaw, the record stuck? Change the manual, it's boring
          3. 0
            3 June 2022 20: 03
            Quote: ROSS 42
            DO NOT TREAT US:

            Nerves just to heal would not hurt comrade-leftist views. First, put things in order in your ranks.
          4. +1
            11 August 2022 08: 04
            Only the first dollar millionaires and the lucky ones were the communists and Komsomol members of the upper echelon, who were preparing the country for plunder. They or their children are still in power. Their children, too, like pigeons, study abroad, and flock to Russia to eat and shit.
        2. +2
          2 June 2022 15: 37
          Russia is growing in territories ...

          and is declining by the indigenous population. The natural decline is already a million a year. The number is supported by migrants. By the way, in this "census" I was not asked a question about nationality. What is it for?
          1. +3
            2 June 2022 18: 55
            Yes, they didn’t ask me any questions at all. Neither I, nor any of my familiar scribes saw it.
        3. -1
          3 June 2022 20: 01
          Probably against this time they are so actively downvoted ... but I completely agree with you. drinks
          1. +2
            11 August 2022 08: 10
            Wait a bit... Soon a list of Peacekeepers and the Security Service will be formed here... with these minuses.
  8. -2
    2 June 2022 07: 48
    All of them, both Ukrainians and Jews, were marked by unsightly methods and policies in the power of Russia!
    1. -12
      2 June 2022 08: 20
      And what "nice methods and policies" swept aside the Russian enemies of the USSR in the power of the Russian Federation?
  9. +10
    2 June 2022 08: 15
    "- This Ulyanka (Khrushchev) is worse than a Karasin!" (c) A. Nasser, received the star of the hero and the Order of Lenin from the hands of N.S. Khrushchev, probably because he defeated the Communist Party of Egypt, and former the Gestapo. smile
    1. +5
      2 June 2022 10: 08
      Have you forgotten about Abdel Hakim? Or is this Hero of the Soviet Union not comme il faut?
  10. +7
    2 June 2022 08: 17
    We intensively developed the material and technical base in the national regions - in the Baltic States, Western Ukraine, the Caucasus, and Turkestan. Russian specialists were sent there, most of the financial resources, equipment, machinery and equipment. That is, the material base of the future collapse of the USSR was being prepared.

    Here is a very dubious thought of the author. Such actions clearly did not contribute to the collapse of the country. Everyone lived in the same country and did not think about disintegration. Well, now the outskirts of the empire had to be abandoned and there was no need to develop them. request
    1. -12
      2 June 2022 08: 23
      This is how the enemies of the USSR, who seized the RSFSR, relate to the USSR and the Russian Empire, this is how they relate to the Russian Federation and the Russian people, including the fact that they, like the Romanovs and the bourgeoisie, believe that only the Center of the country should be developed, and the regions / outskirts , and the people living there, do not care.
      1. +7
        2 June 2022 10: 57
        Irina, what is your nationality? Not even you yourself, but your father and mother and your grandparents?
        After all, you are clearly not Russian by nationality, and you have a Trotskyist mentality! Is it so? Am I understanding you correctly or am I still wrong about you? Namely.

        I have an interesting observation, and not only me!
        For some reason, if a person is a communist, does it necessarily show in practice that he is mentally hidden - hidden - Russophobe? Proletarian internationalism from him carries exclusively in the direction of the chauvinism of national minorities. In this sense, the author of the article Alexander Samsonov is absolutely right.
        These are exactly my observations during the experience of my expert work with political parties - including the leadership of the CPSU, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the RKRP, starting from 1995 - the first war of the RF Armed Forces with Dudayev's Ichkeria.
        Here is your "proletarian Bolshevism" - after all, by and large, in practice it is precisely Russophobic.
        After all, by and large, you categorically do not recognize the nationalist-Russophobic mistakes of the Bolsheviks, starting from 1917, and you yourself are moving to this day in the same direction as they, which ultimately led the USSR to its historical liquidation in 1991. Moving along the same path, we will lose the Russian Federation - Russia in general!
        After all, isn't it? Am I understanding you correctly or not?
        And this is not an offense to you, I said, but for the sake of clarifying the truth. It's just scientifically interesting to know where and why people have such a political veil in front of their eyes that they don't see or don't want to see anything in this regard.
        And in order to understand where we and the country need to move in the future without repeating past mistakes, it is necessary to understand the cause-and-effect relationships of our past negative political experience. Is not it?
        1. -6
          2 June 2022 11: 28
          For some reason, if a person is a communist, does it necessarily show in practice that he is mentally hidden - hidden - Russophobe? Proletarian internationalism from him carries exclusively in the direction of the chauvinism of national minorities.

          I will tell you a terrible secret - the communist parties, as well as the communists, were and are not only in Russia. Therefore, "pearls" about Russophobic communists are just a sign of your own chauvinism.
          1. +1
            2 June 2022 11: 44
            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            I will tell you a terrible secret - the communist parties, as well as the communists, were and are not only in Russia. Therefore, "pearls" about Russophobic communists are just a sign of your own chauvinism.

            You're lying! And you are lying theoretically illiterately against the sovereignty of multinational Russia and for the benefit of the foreign globalism of the Russophobic West, for the further disintegration of Russia into national "apartments"!
            Why does the head of the Chechen Republic Kadyrov understand this, but you don't?
            1. +1
              2 June 2022 12: 08
              You're lying! And you are lying theoretically illiterately against the sovereignty of multinational Russia and for the benefit of the foreign globalism of the Russophobic West, for the further disintegration of Russia into national "apartments"!
              Why does the head of the Chechen Republic Kadyrov understand this, but you don't?

              Are you having an attack?
              What am I lying? That the communist parties were and are not only in Russia? You demonstrate your chauvinistic frenzy with enviable regularity, but at the same time very monotonously, on the pages of this forum. From a person who could not confirm the pre-election stuffing about Clinton's plan to resettle Americans in Ukraine due to concealed information about the upcoming eruption of supervolcanoes in the United States, nothing else can be expected.
              Your use of the word "scientific" in your posts in relation to your work is an insult to science.
              1. +4
                2 June 2022 13: 57
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                What am I lying? That the communist parties were and are not only in Russia?

                And what do other countries have to do with it when the question in A. Samsonov's article is about the communists of the USSR and its liquidation by the communists themselves?
                And why are you getting into the conversation, taking him away from the article by Alexander Staver - and even in an insulting way ?!
                The Russian question in the USSR existed since 1917! You just don't want to admit it yourself?! Why? Yes, because you, like tatra, stand by and large on Trotskyist positions. And Trotsky was a Russophobe.
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                From a person who could not confirm the pre-election stuffing about Clinton's plan to resettle Americans in Ukraine due to concealed information about the upcoming eruption of supervolcanoes in the United States, nothing else can be expected.
                This is yours just a speculative delusional argument about my personality, which has nothing to do with this article by A. Samsonov and the topic in it - as they say, in the wrong steppe at all, and you have no sane argument for me in this search question truth in the dispute is not.
                So
                Your use of the word "scientific" in your posts in relation to your work is an insult to science.
                then it speculatively flew past you on the topic of this article under discussion!

                You, believing communists, first correct the theoretical errors in the m / l theory, and only then download your rights again! Otherwise, we will lose our country for the second time - in particular and because of you!
                1. -4
                  2 June 2022 14: 47
                  taking him away from the article by Alexander Staver

                  At least you don’t drag Staver into Samsonism.
                  This is yours just a speculative delusional argument about my personality, which has nothing to do with this article

                  It demonstrates how you are able to work with information and draw conclusions. If you take seriously nonsense like the Clinton fake mentioned above, then why did you decide that you are capable of giving a correct assessment of something?
                  1. +3
                    2 June 2022 14: 58
                    Did they give you a link to an article about Clinton? Give! And the fact that you think there that it was, in your opinion, a fake about Clinton allegedly circulated in the media - so prove it! After all, there was no refutation anywhere, Therefore, it was taken into work - and rightly so!

                    And the fact that this information about Clinton and the plans of the US State Department does not fit into your personal worldview, then these are your personal problems, not mine!
                    Any information that has not been refuted, including other sources accompanying it, is taken into analytical work.

                    So speculate with your opinion for the benefit of the West and the United States and beyond! This is your personal business, it does not concern me.
                    1. -2
                      2 June 2022 15: 07
                      Did they give you a link to an article about Clinton? Give!

                      Have to repeat
                      But he demonstrates how you are able to work with information and draw conclusions.

                      In past conversations, you have already been explained the frank mistakes of those who made this fake, referring to non-existent journalists, because they mixed up the abbreviations of the TV channels, as well as the lack of an "interview" in the original source. But you can see it...
                      does not fit into your personal ideas
                      1. 0
                        2 June 2022 15: 46
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        In past conversations, you have already been explained the frank mistakes of those who made this fake, referring to non-existent journalists, because they mixed up the abbreviations of the TV channels, as well as the lack of an "interview" in the original source. But you can see it...
                        does not fit into your personal ideas

                        You do not understand! In analytical work, do not care about mistakes in the targeting of primary sources of information when they are reprinted in the media. These "mistakes", as you say, could have been made, including deliberately, as a stuffing of information with covering up the traces of the authors of the stuffing themselves.
                        But at the same time There was no refutation of this information either from Clinton or from the US State Department!!! And it should have been, if it really was a fake!
                        This is not about you and me, ordinary citizens, but about Hillary Clinton herself - the then head of the US State Department !!!

                        So you do not need to persuade me that it was just supposedly "fake"!
                        The very goal of Washington is clear and it is really being realized before our eyes in Ukraine!
                        But under what sauce Washington is doing it - this is a secondary question of the 10th! Yellowstone Volcano is not Yellowstone Volcano...
                        But the very reason for linking this information from Clinton to the Yellowstone volcano is also quite remarkable - and it does not just take place, since Academician Sakharov spoke about this back in his time - namely, how the USSR, with the help of a nuclear bombardment of the Yellowstone volcano, can destroy the USA.

                        So you don’t need me to moralize here regarding my supposedly "unscientific competence" to read!
                        You can't prove anything to me objectively!
                      2. -1
                        2 June 2022 17: 25
                        But at the same time, there was no refutation of this information either from Clinton or from the US State Department !!! And it should have been, if it really was a fake!

                        wassat
                        That is, if Denisova said that Putin ordered the troops to rape Ukrainian women, and Putin did not refute, then Denisova's statement automatically becomes true? What an interesting fantasy world you live in. With what fright would Clinton even find out about the fake (if we assume that she has nothing else to do in life except to climb the net), dispersed in the RUSSIAN-LANGUAGE segment of the Internet?
                        You can't prove anything to me objectively!

                        Hardly my problem
                      3. 0
                        2 June 2022 17: 48
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        That is, if Denisova said that Putin ordered the troops to rape Ukrainian women, and Putin did not refute, then Denisova's statement automatically becomes true?

                        I don't know who Denisova is and what she said about Putin! It is clear that to say such a thing is provocative stupidity!
                        And where did you see stupidity in Hillary Clinton's speech about Ukraine as head of the then US State Department?! Isn't this "stupidity" of the US State Department implemented by Washington in practice?!
                        The criterion of truth is practice!
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        What an interesting fantasy world you live in.
                        No, this is interesting for me to know in which fictional world you live, that you do not distinguish the wheat from the chaff and are engaged in manipulation - that is, take people away from the search and understanding of the true truth of cause-and-effect relationships in the historical events of what is happening now?!
                      4. -3
                        2 June 2022 18: 06
                        It is clear that this is provocative stupidity!

                        Why are you clear? There was no refutation from Vladimir Vladimirovich.
                        And where did you see stupidity in Hillary Clinton's speech about Ukraine as head of the then US State Department?!

                        There is one problem here - there is no Clinton speech about the resettlement of Americans to Ukraine. There are yellow Internet resources that write about Clinton's alleged speech about the resettlement of Americans to Ukraine. Don't see the difference?
                        Isn't this "stupidity" of the US State Department implemented by Washington in practice?!

                        And did a lot of the American elite move to Ukraine? lol
                      5. +1
                        2 June 2022 22: 19
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Why are you clear? There was no refutation from Vladimir Vladimirovich.

                        Well, here are my words and confirmed!
                        A refutation of the perverted fantasies regarding the Russian Armed Forces by the Ombudsman of the Verkhovna Rada Denisova sounded from Zelensky's office. Ombudsman of Ukraine Denisova was removed from her position for perverted fake lies regarding the Russian Armed Forces.
                        It turns out that I am right, not you.
                        See today's article "The first Ukrainian official was fired for fakes about the Russian army" - https://topwar.ru/197138-za-fejki-o-rossijskoj-armii-uvolili-pervogo-ukrainskogo-chinovnika.html
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And did a lot of the American elite move to Ukraine?
                        So after all, the territory of Ukraine has not yet been properly cleared of the native population for the American elite to move to Ukraine. While there is still a war going on.
                        What then do you want from me?
                        This argument you have against me also flies by!
                      6. -1
                        3 June 2022 09: 33
                        A refutation of the perverted fantasies regarding the Russian Armed Forces by the Ombudsman of the Verkhovna Rada Denisova sounded from Zelensky's office.

                        Removing her from office is not a refutation of what she said. A refutation is not just a word, it is a certain procedure, familiarize yourself with the legal side of its implementation.
                        And again, it is our press that interprets her resignation in the way we need. If you read the official Ukrainian version, it does not quite match the interpretation of events by our media.
                        This is the first. And secondly, you yourself wrote that the one who is accused should refute.
                        So after all, the territory of Ukraine has not yet been properly cleared of the native population for the American elite to move to Ukraine.

                        And why clean up Ukraine for the resettlement of the American elite? Or do you think that in Ukraine it’s crowded with the current 40 million, although earlier there weren’t even 52 million pushing elbows there.
                        This is especially funny in the context of the fact that even the date of the eruption figured in articles about Clinton's alleged speech. And he ... as if he had already passed. wassat
                      7. -1
                        3 June 2022 11: 51
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And secondly, you yourself wrote that the one who is accused should refute.
                        Not at all necessary. It is important that there is a rebuttal. And what, in your opinion, does Zelensky’s office, by its actions of removing Denisova from office, indirectly refute her conjectures against the Russian Armed Forces? Refutes!
                        The fact is that you think exclusively within the framework of LEGAL formalism, thereby limiting the logical content of the concept of refutation in general.
                        But in political and philosophical analytics there is no such absolute limitation. There, the legal component is only part of the whole content of the concept of "refutation". Well, it's like the difference in the content of the concepts of "law" and "morality". The logical content of the law is always narrower - less than - the logical content of morality.
                        That. in philosophy, the analyst of the political life of society is not limited to the analysis of formal political laws. Everything is much wider! The philosophical law (or principle) of negation of negation operates.
                        Otherwise, neither K. Marx with the Bolsheviks, nor any foreign intelligence agencies with their NGOs in other countries could simply create and implement the theory of the class struggle of the proletariat and, accordingly, the socialist revolution and other all kinds of coup d'état!
                        Do you understand this explanation?
                        TOTAL. There must be at least some refutation of the event so that it is not perceived by analysts as absolutely true for further analytical and necessarily SYNTHESIS forecasting. At the same time, the methodological principle of "unity of analysis and synthesis" in diamat must always be respected - i.e. take into account external factors.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And why clean up Ukraine for the resettlement of the American elite?
                        And this is a question for the Zionist-Nazis and Jewish globalist financiers of the same US Federal Reserve, what they want to do for themselves from Ukraine. There is a lot of material on the internet about this.
                      8. 0
                        3 June 2022 13: 02
                        Not necessarily.

                        Then if it's not necessary, why are you obliging Clinton to issue such a rebuttal?
                        And what, in your opinion, does Zelensky’s office, by its actions of removing Denisova from office, indirectly refute her conjectures against the Russian Armed Forces?

                        No. To understand this, you just need to go to the official government resources of Ukraine and read the reasons for the resignation. Did you do it?
                        There must be at least some refutation of the event so that it is not perceived by analysts as absolutely true for further analytical and necessarily SYNTHESIS forecasting.

                        laughing
                        An "event" cannot be refuted - it is something objectively happened. You can refute the INFORMATION, not the event. That's just the information must be confirmed, not refuted - Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat - The burden of proof lies on the one who speaks, and not on the one who is told. More than one concept of informal logic has grown out of this postulate of philosophy:
                        1) Russell's teapot - the burden of proof lies with the person making empirically irrefutable claims, and not shifting the burden of refutation onto others
                        2) Hitchens' Razor - what can be asserted without evidence can also be rejected without evidence (the burden of proving the veracity of the statement lies with the one making the statement; if this burden is not met, then the claim is unreasonable and its opponents do not need to continue arguing, to reject it)
                        Therefore, your demands for refutation of the information you have presented is what is called argumentsum ad ignorantiam - a logical fallacy based on the fact that the proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false.
                        Therefore, no analyst (if this is an analyst, and not one who decided to consider himself as such) can use information that has not passed verification for analysis. Did you run background checks on Clinton's speech? How did you do that?
                        And this is a question for the Zionist-Nazis and Jewish globalist financiers of the same US Federal Reserve

                        What for? Can you do analysis-synthesis? Here is the answer
                        And why clean up Ukraine for the resettlement of the American elite? Or do you think that in Ukraine it’s crowded with the current 40 million, although earlier there weren’t even 52 million pushing elbows there.
                      9. -2
                        3 June 2022 13: 46
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Then if it's not necessary, why are you obliging Clinton to issue such a rebuttal?
                        Well, if you claim that it was a fake, and Clinton headed the US State Department, then who, in your opinion, should have given a refutation of her speech? Either she herself, or from her entourage, or Obama, or her improvised media, etc. But no one did it, if it was really a fake! And no one was called to account for him and was not put in jail!
                        Don't start over! I don't have that much time for you. I dedicated a whole day to you yesterday! Neither you me nor I convinced each other of anything - and everyone remained with their own opinion. Let's finish this!
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And this is a question for the Zionist-Nazis and Jewish globalist financiers of the same US Federal Reserve
                        What for? Can you do analysis-synthesis? Here is the answer
                        And why clean up Ukraine for the resettlement of the American elite? Or do you think that in Ukraine it’s crowded with the current 40 million, although earlier there weren’t even 52 million pushing elbows there.
                        It's not even I believe - it is believed by the Zionists-globalists themselves. You simply do not have an outlook on this topic, or you pretend that you are not aware of anything on this issue. The Internet is full of all of this.
                        Watch Igor Berkut's video from 2011!
                        Watch other videos to understand this issue! For example, here is this analytical video forecast of a year ago about the construction of a new Khazaria.

                        Transnationals are changing their lair. Where will the global financial nomads go now. K. Sivkov. Published; 2021
                      10. 0
                        3 June 2022 14: 29
                        Well, if you claim that it was a fake, and Clinton headed the US State Department, then who, in your opinion, should have given a refutation of her speech?

                        Nobody. Neither "Either she herself", nor "either from her entourage", nor "either Obama", nor "or her improvised media."
                        But no one did it, if it was really a fake!

                        And no one should have done it. Do you read what they write to you? Will have to repeat
                        That's just the information must be confirmed, not refuted - Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat - The burden of proof lies on the one who speaks, and not on the one who is told. More than one concept of informal logic has grown out of this postulate of philosophy:
                        1) Russell's teapot - the burden of proof lies with the person making empirically irrefutable claims, and not shifting the burden of refutation onto others
                        2) Hitchens' Razor - what can be asserted without evidence can also be rejected without evidence (the burden of proving the veracity of the statement lies with the one making the statement; if this burden is not met, then the claim is unreasonable and its opponents do not need to continue arguing, to reject it)
                        Therefore, your demands for refutation of the information you have presented is what is called argumentsum ad ignorantiam - a logical fallacy based on the fact that the proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false.

                        Well, why don't you answer the questions you were asked.
                        Next
                        For example, here is this analytical video forecast of a year ago about the construction of a new Khazaria.

                        If you call this nonsense on TV Day "analytics", then I feel sorry for you.
                        Not a single confirmation of a single thesis, goloslovschina, a lot of mistakes, even in small things.
                        Remember, "analysis" in the first minutes of which the phrase "everyone knows this" is heard twice is not analysis, but fraud. Because the phrase "everyone knows this" as an argument is a logical ERROR (manipulation) argumentum ad populum
                      11. -2
                        3 June 2022 14: 43
                        I read everything, but you and I are not in court.
                        And just in life, the criterion of truth is historical practice - what is happening now.
                        In addition, I would like to point out to you that informal logic therefore exists as informal, in order to create only an illogical appearance of proving the guilt of the accused. Do you think the accused should be indifferent to accusing him of anything??
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        If you call this nonsense on TV Day "analytics", then I feel sorry for you.
                        Not a single confirmation of a single thesis, goloslovschina, a lot of mistakes, even in small things.
                        Remember, "analysis" in the first minutes of which the phrase "everyone knows this" is heard twice is not analysis, but fraud. Because the phrase "everyone knows this" is a logical ERROR (manipulation) argumentum ad populum
                        You are too emotionally in a hurry to answer in your judgments.
                        I wonder from which country you are writing all this to me, a citizen of which country and what is your nationality? To understand you better! If you can't answer honestly, don't answer!
                      12. 0
                        3 June 2022 14: 51
                        And just in life, the criterion of truth is historical practice - what is happening now.

                        Quite right. And practice has shown that the announced eruption did not occur within the announced period and the American elites did not move to Ukraine before the announced date.
                        You are too hasty in your judgments. You haven't even watched the entire video!

                        Am I in a hurry, with statements that I did not watch the video? On what basis did you state this?
                        I wonder from which country you are writing all this to me and what is your nationality?

                        Does citizenship or nationality affect a person's cognitive abilities?
                        Your persistence in finding out the citizenship or nationality of your opponents does not seem the strangest to you?
                      13. -1
                        3 June 2022 15: 25
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        And just in life, the criterion of truth is historical practice - what is happening now.
                        Quite right. And practice has shown that the announced eruption did not occur within the announced period and the American elites did not move to Ukraine before the announced date.
                        The volcano near Clinton is just an excuse to launch the future US problem of resettling Americans in Ukraine. Those. this is just a lid in American politics, under which there is a second bottom.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Does citizenship or nationality affect a person's cognitive abilities?
                        At the very least, this is a very strange question for you. Well, how can you prove that it is not so? Especially now! Will you, for example, deny the Nazism of the Third Reich, the Nazism of the Poles in Poland during the times of Pilsudski, the Russophobia of the Kyiv regime of Zelensky and the countries of NATO and the EU?
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Your persistence in finding out the citizenship or nationality of your opponents does not seem the strangest to you?
                        It seems suspicious to me that people stubbornly hide this! So they have something to hide, not in favor of the questioner. Confidence in such a person objectively falls, as in an enemy manipulator. Say I'm wrong? Right, right! Very much right!
                      14. 0
                        3 June 2022 15: 54
                        The volcano near Clinton is just an excuse to launch the future US problem of resettling Americans in Ukraine. Those. this is just a lid in American politics, under which there is a second bottom.

                        What volcano is Clinton?! Reason for what?! You understand that you took a NON-EXISTENT INTERVIEW as a prerequisite, which NOBODY and NEVER provided for confirmation !!!
                        At the very least, this is a very strange question for you. Well, how can you prove that it is not so? Especially now!

                        1) It will never reach you that the assertion is being proved, and not the negation of the assertion. So I don't have to argue that nationality or citizenship affects cognition, because I don't think it does and I can't stand such claims. If you think so, then you prove it. Would you like to repeat the text about Russell's teapot for the second time?
                        2) Primitive example. Person #1, a citizen of country A, has developed his cognitive abilities to the point of being able to multiply three-digit numbers in his mind. He emigrates to country B. Person #2, a citizen of country B, has developed his cognitive abilities to be able to count within the top ten. He emigrates to country A. According to your "theory", after changing citizenship, person No. 1 will forget what he knew and could do, and person No. 2, on the contrary, will miraculously multiply three-digit numbers in his mind.
                        It seems suspicious to me that people stubbornly hide this! So they have something to hide, not in favor of the questioner. Trust in such a person objectively falls. Say I'm wrong? Right, right! Very much right!

                        I will say that you have now confirmed that you are segregating people. You have confidence not in a person, but in nationality or citizenship.
                        Will you, for example, deny the Nazism of the Third Reich, the Nazism of the Poles in Poland during the times of Pilsudski, the Russophobia of the Kyiv regime of Zelensky and the countries of NATO and the EU?

                        That is, in addition to the fact that you do not understand what formal logic is, informal logic, etc., you also do not understand what cognitive abilities are. What does what you wrote have to do with the higher nervous activity of a person, which is responsible for the ability to perceive and interpret information? NOTHING.
                      15. -2
                        3 June 2022 16: 23
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        What volcano is Clinton?! Reason for what?! You understand that you took a NON-EXISTENT INTERVIEW as a prerequisite, which NOBODY and NEVER provided for confirmation !!!
                        For the past 6 years since then, can you vouch for this? We have already discussed this with you. No you can not.
                        And I know how information disappears from the same Internet, even simply because of the prescription of years or for political reasons. My articles are no longer there! Preserved only in printed form in the public library.
                        What do you want to prove to me as a lawyer for the intrigues of the American globalism regime? Well, what kind of empty talk do we have? Again 25 and a fairy tale first!
                      16. +1
                        3 June 2022 16: 33
                        For the past 6 years since then, can you vouch for this? We have already discussed this with you. No you can not. And I know how information disappears from the same Internet, even simply because of the prescription of years or for political reasons.

                        With the help of such an "argument" you can justify any nonsense!
                        This is the first.
                        Secondly, if this is an "argument" in Russian resources, then why should Russian resources remove an interview that compromises political opponents?
                        Third, I tried to find him "six years" ago. And it was expected ... it was not
                        Fourth, you have no idea what it is to "clean up" the Internet.
                        What do you want to prove to me as a lawyer for the intrigues of the American globalism regime?

                        Again, UNPROOF statement.
                        Well, what kind of empty talk do we have?

                        An empty conversation will cease to be when you try to think about what they write to you and answer questions, and not ignore what is written
                      17. -2
                        3 June 2022 17: 17
                        You and I have different thinking algorithms. Our entire argument boils down to your saying that due to a dubious source of information, this is nothing more than a "fake" and there is no point in taking it into analytical development. And I’m telling you that I don’t give a damn about it, because even every “fake” has a certain meaning and it serves someone specific for very specific tasks and goals, so the content, even if, in your opinion, “fake” is needed to take to work - i.e. compare its content with subsequent and current information and events; carry out further analysis and synthesis - and issue a prognostic hypothesis on the goals and objectives of the authors of the "fake, as you say. What do they want and what exactly do they need? And on the basis of this, take preventive measures for the future to either implement them or not implement them, if they are not consistent with our national interests and the national security of our country!And you are, in fact, precisely against this.
                        Hence the questions. What is your nationality? What country are you from and what country are you writing to me from? Not idle questions.
                        In general, we part! There will be no point in talking.
                      18. 0
                        3 June 2022 17: 34
                        therefore, the content, even if, in your opinion, "fake" should be taken into work - i.e. compare its content with subsequent and current information and events; carry out further analysis and synthesis - and issue a prognostic hypothesis on the goals and objectives of the authors of the "fake

                        wassat
                        Well, how did you find out the authors of the "fake"? Have you defined goals and objectives? You don't have any of that. You just believed what you wanted to believe and you are not at all interested in objectivity.
                        And you are, in fact, precisely against this.

                        What is it against? Against fakes? Against stupidity? Naturally. And why should I be for fakes or for stupidity?
                      19. -1
                        3 June 2022 20: 44
                        If your articles are the same as the comments here, then there is little loss, because they do not carry any semantic benefit.
                      20. +1
                        3 June 2022 15: 17
                        Didn't see the updated text due to editing the post
                        So I have to write another answer.
                        In addition, I would like to point out to you that informal logic therefore exists as informal, in order to create only an illogical appearance of proving the guilt of the accused. Do you think the accused should be indifferent to accusing him of anything??

                        1) Judging by what was written, you do not understand what informal logic is, what formal logic is. Your text is just confusing.
                        2) The attitude of the accused to the accusation does not affect the credibility or unreliability of the accusation, and therefore is of no importance for the purpose of establishing credibility.
                      21. -2
                        3 June 2022 16: 05
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        1) Judging by what was written, you do not understand what informal logic is, what formal logic is. Your text is just confusing.
                        Well, why is it discouraging?
                        I have in my home library, in particular, the book:
                        Madsen Peary. Iron arguments. Victory even if you're wrong - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2013
                        Studied by me with a pencil in hand.
                        There are sections:
                        Classification of sophisms
                        Formal sophistry
                        Informal linguistic sophisms
                        Informal fallacies of relevance (deletion)
                        Informal Sophisms of Relevance (Introduction)
                        Informal fallacies of relevance (change)

                        I also have other books on logic that are necessary for expert work.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        2) The attitude of the accused to the accusation does not affect the credibility or unreliability of the accusation, and therefore is of no importance for the purpose of establishing credibility.
                        You have a very strange view on these things!
                        In other words. It is easier for the court and the repressive system to imprison an innocent than for interrogators to really understand the case! How many revealing Soviet films alone are devoted to this topic!
                      22. 0
                        3 June 2022 16: 18
                        I also have other books on logic that are necessary for expert work.

                        You can have at least a thousand books. Your words show that there is no sense in having books.
                        Therefore, it is discouraging that such an explanation of informal logic is absurd.
                        In other words.

                        No. You misinterpret my words. Moreover, I am again discouraged, how such a conclusion could be drawn from my words.
                        I chew.
                        The attitude of the accused to the prosecution in court - I am innocent!
                        Does this statement make him innocent?
                        No
                        Does it make him guilty?
                        No
                        The only thing that makes him guilty or innocent is whether he committed a crime or not.
                        Therefore, his statements about his guilt or innocence have nothing to do with the fact that there is no guilt.
                        Or should the court release anyone who claims to be innocent? wassat
                      23. 0
                        11 June 2022 22: 23
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Remember, "analysis" in the first minutes of which the phrase "everyone knows this" is heard twice is not analysis, but fraud. Because the phrase "everyone knows this" as an argument is a logical ERROR (manipulation) argumentum ad populum

                        Please indicate at what minute or second of this video you heard this phrase ...

                        At first I carefully watched and listened to the entire video, and then even more carefully for the first 15 minutes and did not hear such a phrase not only from K. Sivkov, but also from the host of the program. Well... where are your first minutes?! belay
                      24. 0
                        14 June 2022 09: 38
                        Are you suggesting that I rewatch these nonsense again? Well, look again, it means you didn’t look so carefully. At 1:33 the toilet may have moved away.
                      25. 0
                        14 June 2022 16: 34
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Are you suggesting that I rewatch these nonsense again? Well, look again, it means you didn’t look so carefully. At 1:33 the toilet may have moved away.

                        It looks like you will have to reconsider ... because the questions for you:
                        1) From whose mouth does this phrase come from?
                        2) In what context does this phrase sound?
                        3) And, accordingly, is this phrase "a logical ERROR (manipulation) argumentum ad populum"?

                        shl
                        I wonder what you were thinking at the time... laughing
                      26. 0
                        14 June 2022 16: 37
                        Looks like you need to rethink...

                        Seriously? Will you decide what to do?
                        Well, "ps" I will not even comment
                      27. 0
                        19 June 2022 03: 45
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Well, "ps" I will not even comment

                        And rightly so, because "zy" is the answer to your "toilet" ... laughing

                        shl
                        Keep quiet, look and you will pass for a smart one ...
                      28. 0
                        19 June 2022 13: 38
                        Keep quiet, look and you will pass for a smart one ...

                        Repeat this to yourself often.
                        Perhaps attention will improve.
                      29. -2
                        3 June 2022 20: 41
                        No, I was mistaken, your opponents are more sane than you.
                      30. +1
                        2 June 2022 18: 18
                        If you mean the Ombudsman of Ukraine Denisova, then we all know perfectly well what the Russophobic Nazi regime in Kyiv is like! There, in Ukraine, the Goebbelian propaganda of the Kyiv regime has long been in all its glory!
                        Everything that this Denisova says can always be verified now!
                      31. -1
                        3 June 2022 20: 37
                        Oh Tatyana... You disappointed me... to be honest, you are no better than those with whom you argue.
          2. -1
            3 June 2022 20: 24
            Quote: A vile skeptic
            For some reason, if a person is a communist, does it necessarily show in practice that he is mentally hidden - hidden - Russophobe? Proletarian internationalism from him carries exclusively in the direction of the chauvinism of national minorities.

            I will tell you a terrible secret - the communist parties, as well as the communists, were and are not only in Russia. Therefore, "pearls" about Russophobic communists are just a sign of your own chauvinism.

            What are you ... something, probably the CPJ (Japan) is one of the active ones screaming about the "Northern Territories" ... and about the members of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, I'd better keep silent there is nowhere to put a test.
            1. -1
              4 June 2022 10: 06
              What are you ... something, probably the CPJ (Japan) is one of the active screaming about the "Northern Territories" ...

              AND? Is it Russophobia? wassat
              1. 0
                4 June 2022 23: 14
                If against us, then yes.
                1. 0
                  6 June 2022 09: 38
                  Are you a supporter of binary thinking?
                  What is "against you" and what does this have to do with Russophobia?
                  1. 0
                    6 June 2022 19: 07
                    I put it clearly, since you are not able to understand this, then these are your problems, not mine.
                    1. 0
                      7 June 2022 09: 05
                      Well, of course. lol
          3. +1
            11 August 2022 08: 26
            Here lies the main error in reasoning. Indeed, there were communist parties in many countries. But these parties were by no means copies of the CPSU(b)-CPSU. And even at the core are not always Marxist. Even the fact that today's communists are poking in the direction of China, slyly ignoring the fact that the Chinese ideology is absolutely not correlated with the Soviet one. It is not Marxist at all, nevertheless, they are ranting on the topic, look how the country is developing under the communists.
            1. -1
              11 August 2022 09: 03
              Here lies the main error in reasoning.

              Yeah, respectively, all communists are Russophobes?
              wassat
              PS In China - fascism, not communism.
              1. +1
                11 August 2022 13: 09
                I did not write about the fact that all communists are Russophobes.
                1. 0
                  11 August 2022 13: 26
                  That is, you, not knowing the context of my phrase and the course of the conversation in which it appeared, decided that there was an error in reasoning in it?
                  Originally.
                  1. +1
                    11 August 2022 14: 14
                    I touched only on the issue of communist parties in different countries. And the fact that the Communist Party of the USSR was Russophobic is most likely from the evil one. I would call it anti-imperial. So the spirit did not take the historical period of the Republic of Ingushetia and in every possible way piled up layers of lies. Everything is bad there, everything is good with us. What came out of it can be seen now. Ptolemy, an associate of Alexander the Great, wrote:
                    * ... It's very simple - the beautiful serves as a support for the soul of the people. By breaking it, breaking it, scattering it, we break the foundations that make people fight and give their lives for their homeland. On a soiled, trampled down place, love for one's people, one's past, military courage and civic prowess will not grow. Forgetting about their glorious past, the people turn into a crowd of ragamuffins, eager only to fill their belly!*
                    How many centuries have passed, but how topical!
                    1. 0
                      11 August 2022 14: 21
                      I see no point in continuing the conversation when the interlocutor does not see what others are writing. All the best.
        2. +3
          2 June 2022 18: 56
          Quote: Tatiana
          ..... and your "proletarian Bolshevism" - after all, by and large, in practice it is precisely Russophobic.
          After all, by and large, you categorically do not recognize the nationalist-Russophobic mistakes of the Bolsheviks, starting from 1917, and you yourself are moving to this day in the same direction as they, which ultimately led the USSR to its historical liquidation in 1991. Moving along the same path, we will lose the Russian Federation - Russia in general!
          After all, isn't it? Am I understanding you correctly or not?
          And this is not an offense to you, I said, but for the sake of clarifying the truth. It’s just that in scientific terms it’s interesting to know where and why people have such a political veil in front of their eyes that they don’t see anything or don’t want to see it?

          Good evening, dear Tatyana! I always believed that Irina's accusations could just play into the hands of the very enemies of the Communists, the enemies of the USSR, the enemies of the Russian Federation. There was somehow no time and desire to write about it. It's just that today she turned to me in another article with her usual accusations.
          After all, it is the enemies who want repentance, just what Irina demands, for the lack of which she reproaches everyone. (After all, it is clear that we cannot return the past by waving a magic wand, reciting a spell) no matter why the inhabitants of the country will have a guilt complex, at least for Nicholas, at least for something else. And it would be nice to know how Irina herself fought for the preservation of the USSR. And why didn't you save it?
          I wrote to one of our colleagues here before, I think so now, that it was not in the power of one ordinary person to stop this. And not even in the power of an ordinary human team. After all, preparations for the destruction of the USSR took the opponents all the post-war time and was organized very seriously. The impact took place in different ways .... Even today I recalled that we had then people of art who shouted, tried to warn with their creativity. Did not work out. Probably they did not understand, so it seems to me now
          1. +2
            2 June 2022 20: 14
            Good evening Dmitry!
            The author Samsonov Alexander summarizes everything correctly in his article! The trouble is that chauvinists of national minorities existed and still exist among the communists of the CPSU - and among the communists in general, and then - not wanting to admit this sin for themselves in general, because. they categorically do not want to give up their national privileges in comparison with the Russian people in the Soviet country and in the Russian Federation in general, which they received from the Bolsheviks!
            This is very bad! For such a thing can definitely again lead to a further collapse of the Russian Federation.

            I encountered this back in 1995, when the communists began to demand the withdrawal of Russian troops from Dudayev's Ichkeria and the release of Ichkeria from the Russian Federation on all 4 sides, as the same Russian nationalist communists in the CPSU did on the issue of providing a free exit for the Baltic republics from the USSR, saying that this is how Lenin taught them on the issue of the separation of Finland from Russia.

            Our so-called communists are either absolutely illiterate people in m / l, or they continue to personally manage their national-chauvinist interests in our country. This only leads to the collapse of the country, as in Ukraine.

            Therefore, I ask tatra Irina, who is her nationality after all. She is silent for a while. Why is silent? Because this question is politically fundamental!
            He is silent about his nationality and about the Russophobia of the Bolsheviks and the vile skeptic (Timur), who defends the tatra Irina. At the same time, he, too, like a fox cunningly leads the hunter away from his nest to the side, so he is trying to manipulatively discredit me in the eyes of the site participants in favor of Russophobes.
            Here is such a "carousel" we get.
            1. +2
              2 June 2022 20: 38
              I remember talking about Ichkeria, although I was small then. But I remember the words
              .... if they want, let them separate. Let's see how it turns out. All bodies, institutions of management, the authorities themselves start. We must let go of everyone who wants to. Kaliningrad and the Far East will fall away from us .....

              But I heard it from Weller! That's what! I don’t remember where, but there was a cycle of his programs, both on the radio and on TV! I can’t say exactly what year it was .... I remember the rat expression. And it turns out he's not the only one.
              I can’t speak on the topic of national chauvinism and ml-theory in any way. wink
              I do not speak languages

              Reading your work good online --- fully agreed with your presentation of the topic.
              And the opponents? They are different, everyone can be. Everything is visible from the side. Both knowledge and its absence or substitution
              1. +3
                2 June 2022 20: 47
                Quote: Reptiloid
                But I heard it from Weller! That's what! I don’t remember where, but there was a cycle of his programs, both on the radio and on TV! I can’t say exactly what year it was .... I remember the rat expression. And it turns out he's not the only one.

                Yes, Weller at that time quickly "changed his shoes" and even once on the radio he tried to justify homosexuality among teenage and student youth! I heard this with my own ears, that, they say, in his opinion, there is nothing wrong with that, that this is supposedly quite normal. After that, he became nothing for me - below the plinth!
                1. +3
                  2 June 2022 21: 27
                  Yeah! My relatives, after what he said about the distribution of territory, stopped turning it on and about
                  ..that's all right

                  I did not hear. Or didn't understand recourse according to the age. ...
                  And I remember the vile jokes about the collision of the steamer and the train ... and there was something bad about other disasters, I forgot.
            2. 0
              3 June 2022 17: 01
              He is silent about his nationality and about the Russophobia of the Bolsheviks and the vile skeptic (Timur), who defends the tatra Irina. At the same time, he also how the fox cunningly leads the hunter away from his nest to the side, so he is trying to manipulatively discredit me in the eyes of the site participants in favor of Russophobes.

              Yeah, that is, it’s me, when asked to confirm my words, I start talking about anything, but I don’t confirm what was said?
              You are the original person.
            3. 0
              3 June 2022 20: 32
              Quote: Tatiana
              The author Samsonov Alexander summarizes everything correctly in his article

              Everything but not everything ... the message of his articles differs little from the comments of Irina and her associates. Sometimes you can agree with them. The main thing Samsonov is completely wrong in the reasons for the reduction of the rural population and its outflow to the cities.
        3. 0
          3 June 2022 20: 14
          Quote: Tatiana
          in order to understand where we and the country need to move in the future without repeating past mistakes, it is necessary to understand the cause-and-effect relationships of our past negative political experience. Is not it?

          I don’t quite agree, because for some reason you think, like the RSDLP (b) and so on, before the CPSU, a homogeneous mass in terms of views, which naturally was not. There were internationalists and Trotskyists and just leftists, as well as, let's say, "imperials", most of which, oddly enough, were not Russians ... Stalin Beria Dzerzhinsky Malenkov Mikoyan ... but in some ways you are right.
    2. -1
      2 June 2022 11: 14
      Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
      That is, the material base of the future collapse of the USSR was being prepared.

      The author is not aware that there was a resolution of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks of 1943, according to which all this was sent there. And the cattle evacuated from the West to the Penza, Ulyanovsk and Saratov regions returned back ON THE LISTS! After the evacuation, and the supply of meat to the army in 41,42, 43 years. And Khrushchev did not invent this. That is, the base for the collapse of the USSR began to prepare ... Stalin himself!
      1. +7
        2 June 2022 15: 45
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, what's wrong?
        I found and read this statement:
        m.vk.com > wall - 107523729-49831
        "On urgent measures to restore the economy in the areas liberated ..."
        Animals belonging to collective farms, that is, mind you, not from farmsteads, but namely collective farm herds, were loaded into wagons and massively evacuated from territories that could potentially be surrendered to the enemy. So that, therefore, he did not get meat and milk. Pets were not touched! That is why the Germans walked around the yards in search of "a trigger, an egg, a milk", and did not rummage around the empty collective farm barns and poultry houses. And during the liberation of the territories of the region, "warmed" the evacuated collective farm animals, they had to return them to their places of previous deployment.
        In my opinion, everything is correct. How else was it possible to restore animal husbandry in the liberated territories? I don't see a "base base for the collapse of the USSR". Vice versa.
        1. +1
          2 June 2022 17: 48
          Quote: depressant
          In my opinion, everything is correct. How else was it possible to restore animal husbandry in the liberated territories? I don't see a "base base for the collapse of the USSR". Vice versa.

          Well, of course ... The cattle were not all taken out. They drove herds with all the consequences. The mass of livestock fell from starvation. Therefore, there was a HUGE DIFFERENCE between the payroll and the actual number of livestock. And they raked out all the cattle in these areas, including cattle from farmsteads - "they were under the Germans." As a result, these THREE regions suffered worse than the occupied ones! Agriculture was ruined. And "there" they took it for granted and soon forgot about what they owe to the "brotherhood of the peoples of the USSR." Overlay a map of the most developed regions of the USSR and the occupied zones and they... coincide! But people ... they are ungrateful ... cattle and spit on all this with great pleasure, writing down their standard of living in THEIR merits, and by no means to help the "Russian loafers" ..
          1. -1
            2 June 2022 18: 14
            Overlay a map of the most developed regions of the USSR and the occupied zones and they... coincide!

            AND? Were they not the most developed before the occupation?
            1. -1
              2 June 2022 19: 22
              Quote: Nefarious skeptic
              AND? Were they not the most developed before the occupation?

              the Baltics? Western Ukraine? Belarus? Yes, and Ukraine itself ... Read what Postyshev did there. Look at the documents of the 16th Congress and what Stalin said about the number of livestock in the USSR after collectivization ... I cited here photocopies of articles from Pravda, about the situation in Ukraine and the bread that was not made for her. It was an agrarian outskirts with Dneproges. Yes, factories were built, but ... the main thing is not them - land and bread.
              1. -1
                3 June 2022 09: 21
                well that's how you say
                Overlay the card

                and look.
              2. 0
                3 June 2022 20: 54
                And you take an interest in the account of what rose Z. Ukrainian. This is, firstly, and secondly, not in all areas of Z.U. lived shitty.
          2. -1
            2 June 2022 19: 10
            Vyacheslav Olegovich, after all, the animals sent for evacuation gave offspring in the places of the new deployment, they bred! )))
            I also read about benefits for war veterans and their children. This is from paragraph 10 of the Decree. There are a lot of perks!
            1. -2
              2 June 2022 19: 25
              Quote: depressant
              they thrived! )))

              They died from starvation! No one expected such an influx of cattle. There was no food! Professor Medvedev, my supervisor, one of the secretaries of the CPSU Central Committee of Moldova after the war, told me about all this in 1985.
          3. 0
            3 June 2022 20: 51
            Quote: kalibr
            Quote: depressant
            In my opinion, everything is correct. How else was it possible to restore animal husbandry in the liberated territories? I don't see a "base base for the collapse of the USSR". Vice versa.

            Well, of course ... The cattle were not all taken out. They drove herds with all the consequences. The mass of livestock fell from starvation. Therefore, there was a HUGE DIFFERENCE between the payroll and the actual number of livestock. And they raked out all the cattle in these areas, including cattle from farmsteads - "they were under the Germans." As a result, these THREE regions suffered worse than the occupied ones! Agriculture was ruined. And "there" they took it for granted and soon forgot about what they owe to the "brotherhood of the peoples of the USSR." Overlay a map of the most developed regions of the USSR and the occupied zones and they... coincide! But people ... they are ungrateful ... cattle and spit on all this with great pleasure, writing down their standard of living in THEIR merits, and by no means to help the "Russian loafers" ..

            Here it is not necessary to hang noodles on the ears about raking. I myself am in the Ulyanovsk region. I live and hear such nonsense for the first time.
    3. +1
      2 June 2022 19: 21
      And what, no one was on the outskirts?
  11. +5
    2 June 2022 08: 20
    The 5st Party Congress adopts a 7-year plan instead of a XNUMX-year one.
    There was originally a 5-year plan, but after making sure that it would fail, they stretched it out for 7 years.
  12. +1
    2 June 2022 08: 22
    The article is trying to simply assign the culprit, instead of a detailed analysis of the situation. The Novocherkassk shooting is the result of a series of events, the saddest indicator of the food situation in the country at that time. Throughout the country, there was an increase in food prices, for objective reasons: food requisitioning, collectivization, dispossession, war. All these reasons ruined agriculture, and the country began to buy products abroad. At the turn of the 60s, the country could no longer feed itself. This was superimposed on defense costs, on reconstruction after the war, on helping the countries of the Warsaw Pact, the Arab world and many other places ...
    1. +4
      2 June 2022 13: 33
      Quote from rusl4n
      Throughout the country, there was an increase in food prices, for objective reasons: food requisitioning, collectivization, dispossession, war. All these reasons ruined agriculture

      It is strange, but people who caught that time claim that the food situation seriously deteriorated precisely under Khrushchev. In the early sixties, shortages of bread began and queues appeared for it, which had not happened since the end of the forties.

      Well, of course, the damned requisitioning reached out ...
      1. -2
        2 June 2022 15: 02
        Events have a delayed impact on the economy.
        1. +4
          2 June 2022 15: 22
          Quote from rusl4n
          Events have a delayed impact on the economy.

          Probably, this was the abolition of serfdom. Just a hundred years have passed. Round number. No wonder the people of the "Liberator" banged. We had a presentiment.
          1. +1
            3 June 2022 13: 19
            Stupid joke, complex issue related to the execution of workers. Looks like we're not on a peekaboo.
            1. +2
              3 June 2022 17: 18
              Quote from rusl4n
              Stupid joke, complex issue related to the execution of workers. Looks like we're not on a peekaboo.

              That's it. And if you wish, you can always find some kind of owl that you can pull on a particular globe. You can always choose some event in the story and from this event build a convincing-sounding narrative leading to the required conclusion. Narrative fallacy, according to Taleb.

              For example, I seriously believe that all the problems of Russia in the twentieth century, all the revolutions, dekulakization, catastrophic losses in wars and other joys are a direct consequence of about a hundred years of delay in the abolition of serfdom. If it had been done in the second half of the 18th century, in parallel with the "granting of liberties to the nobles," Russia could indeed have taken the path of bourgeois-democratic development and built a successful capitalist economy. But this was not done. And the flywheel of history spun the way it spun.
  13. +3
    2 June 2022 08: 29
    so let the crest into the garden and the country of Khan
    1. -2
      3 June 2022 20: 57
      In general, Khrushchev is not Khrushchenko ...
  14. -1
    2 June 2022 10: 47
    Stalin was highly respected in China

    And in Russia they are afraid of him ... And his name, undeservedly deleted from the history of the country, and the memory of his (albeit extraordinary) deeds and plans.
    Today, the Solzhenitsyns, Mannerheims and other Gaidars with Chubais are held in high esteem...
  15. +4
    2 June 2022 11: 03
    Proletarian internationalism from him carries exclusively in the direction of the chauvinism of national minorities.

    Wow wording on the verge of doctoral and candidate
    1. +2
      2 June 2022 11: 17
      Quote: Konnick
      carries from him

      This will not work in a dissertation. This is not a scientific term!
      1. +3
        2 June 2022 11: 21
        I know it's sarcasm. I wrote this and that.
        Full phrase from Tatyana

        For some reason, if a person is a communist, does it necessarily show in practice that he is mentally hidden - hidden - Russophobe? Proletarian internationalism from him carries exclusively in the direction of the chauvinism of national minorities. In this sense, the author of the article Alexander Samsonov is absolutely right.
        Those are my observations. with the experience of my expert work with political parties, including the leadership of the CPSU, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the RKWP, starting from 1995 - the first war of the RF Armed Forces with Dudayev's Ichkeria.
        Here is your "proletarian Bolshevism" - after all, by and large, in practice it is precisely Russophobic.
        1. -2
          2 June 2022 13: 21
          Quote: Konnick
          Here is your "proletarian Bolshevism" - after all, by and large, in practice it is precisely Russophobic.

          It is enough to read the articles of the founders of Marxism from the complete collection of their works, well, let's say, then the 19th volume, to be convinced of this!
    2. +3
      2 June 2022 16: 36
      Quote: Konnick
      Wow wording on the verge of doctoral and candidate

      And this is just a statement of the main thesis of the work of the VIL "On the question of nationalities or "autonomization", which became the basis of the national policy of the USSR. smile
      Therefore, internationalism on the part of the oppressing or the so-called “great” nation (although great only by its violence, great only as great as the Grand Mordion) should consist not only in the observance of the formal equality of nations, but also in such inequality that would compensate the oppressing nation , a nation large, the inequality that actually develops in life. He who did not understand this, he did not understand the truly proletarian attitude to the national question, he essentially remained on the petty-bourgeois point of view, and therefore could not but slide down every minute to the bourgeois point of view.
      What is important for the proletariat? For the proletariat, it is not only important, but also essential, to ensure it with a maximum of confidence in the proletarian class struggle on the part of foreigners. What is needed for this? This requires not only formal equality. To do this, one way or another must be compensated by his conversion or his concessions to the foreigner for that distrust, that suspicion, those insults that were made to him in the historical past by the government of the "great-power" nation.

      That is, on the part of the Russian people, internationalism should be reduced to constant concessions and curtseys towards other peoples. And who is against a truly Russian person, a Great Russian chauvinist, in essence, a scoundrel and a rapist ©

      Moreover, if in 1914 the VIL blamed the bureaucracy of the Empire for great-power chauvinism, then after the victory he began to directly blame the entire Russian people for this, without restraining himself in the wording.
      1. -5
        2 June 2022 17: 56
        That is, on the part of the Russian people, internationalism should be reduced to constant concessions and curtseys towards other peoples.

        Maybe you just "can't help but slide every minute to the bourgeois point of view"? wink
        1. +4
          2 June 2022 19: 34
          Quote: A vile skeptic
          Maybe you just "can't help but slide every minute to the bourgeois point of view"? wink

          Worse. I rude great Russian dzhimorda and a representative seas of chauvinistic Great Russian trash. smile
          It's funny that the Great Russian nationalists according to Lenin were Ordzhonikidze, Dzerzhinsky and Stalin.

          In general, the biggest trouble in the USSR with the study and implementation of Lenin's legacy was that the communist-Leninists constantly confused tactics and strategy. Vladimir Ilyich was a fairly conformist, the general line with him wagged like a canker's boat, and almost every one of his works was written on the topic of the day, representing a tactical solution to the current problem. In our country, this tactic was constantly elevated to the rank of an unshakable strategic direction, not paying attention to the historical context of writing this or that work, and even to the fact that Ilyich could contradict himself in different works.
          In particular, the same policy of "oppressive internationalism" from "On the question of nationalities or "autonomization" was proposed on the basis that a mass revolutionary movement is about to begin in Asia, which will be very difficult to lead if the rebels have a suspicion of injustice in the USSR to its foreigners.
          It must be borne in mind that the fragmentation of the people's commissariats and the inconsistency between their work in relation to Moscow and other centers can be paralyzed by sufficient party authority if it is applied with any sufficient circumspection and impartiality; the harm that can result for our state from the absence of united national apparatuses with the Russian apparatus is immeasurably less, infinitely less than the harm that will result not only for us, but for the entire International, for hundreds of millions of the peoples of Asia, which will have to come to the forefront of history in the near future, after us. It would be unforgivable opportunism if, on the eve of this action of the East and at the beginning of its awakening, we undermined our authority among it by even the slightest rudeness and injustice towards our own foreigners.. It is one thing to rally against the imperialists of the West who are defending the capitalist world. There can be no doubt about this, and it is needless for me to say that I unconditionally approve of these measures. It is another matter when we ourselves, even in small things, fall into imperialist relations with the oppressed peoples, thereby completely undermining all our principled sincerity, all our principled defense of the struggle against imperialism. And tomorrow in world history will be just such a day when the awakened peoples oppressed by imperialism will finally wake up and when a decisive long and hard battle for their liberation will begin..
          1. +1
            3 June 2022 09: 25
            ...practically each of his works was written on the topic of the day, representing a tactical solution to the current problem...
            ...not paying attention to the historical context of writing this or that work, and even to the fact that Ilyich could contradict himself in different works...

            So the matter turns out to be a voluntary or involuntary misinterpretation of his words.
          2. 0
            3 June 2022 14: 11
            Quote: Alexey RA
            hard fight for their release.

            You know Lenin's works well. Congratulations!
            1. +1
              11 August 2022 08: 51
              If there is a need to refer to the works of Lenin, then there is a secret. One should always look for the first or second edition. All subsequent ones suck. But in the first there are many interesting things that were not included in the subsequent ones. How do I know? I was looking for one phrase from Lenin about Kolchak. Found only in the earliest editions. Yes, and my aunt Lisa, in the rank of major of the State Security Service, worked in the Central Party Archive. She told her father that she had seen Lenin's work with Stalin's notes in the margins, where the most favorable word was *Du...k*. It was already the end of the 60s, and my father told me shortly before his death. As much as some would not like, but neither Lenin, nor Stalin, nor anyone else were gods. They were real people...
      2. 0
        2 June 2022 20: 00
        Quote: Alexey RA
        That is, on the part of the Russian people, internationalism should be reduced to constant concessions and curtseys towards other peoples.
        All representatives of national minorities, Russians, it turns out, should kiss their shoes on their knees, for previous humiliations. Look, the wind is blowing this way. And it’s true, why shouldn’t we and the United States take an example and arrange the same “dump repentance”: we’ll dump monuments to Russians, there will be our own LIFE (the life of non-Russians matters). Bandera people should like it, and we'll start with them.
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  16. +3
    2 June 2022 12: 23
    Lenin began to destroy the USSR. Right from day one.
    1. -2
      3 June 2022 21: 06
      you ist das?
  17. +4
    2 June 2022 13: 26
    He ordered the liquidation of state machine and tractor stations.

    Surprisingly, they were never recreated, even after Khrushchev's departure. Any city dweller who came to the village in the late USSR could see the result: abandoned, rusting tractors and combines right in the fields.
    1. 0
      2 June 2022 15: 09
      I often visited the countryside during the Brezhnev era as a child. I didn’t see a single piece of armor .., ugh, agricultural machinery thrown into the field or simply abandoned. Perhaps it was carefully disguised))
      1. +1
        2 June 2022 15: 23
        Quote: MBRBS
        I didn’t see a single piece of armor .., ugh, agricultural machinery thrown into the field or simply abandoned.

        This happens.
      2. +1
        2 June 2022 22: 20
        Quote: MBRBS
        ugh, I didn't see agricultural machinery thrown into the field or just thrown. Perhaps it was carefully disguised))

        With my own eyes I saw how the "Kolos" harvester in the 80th year went to the dump under its own power.
        1. -1
          2 June 2022 22: 46
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          harvester "Kolos" in the year 80 went to the landfill under its own power
          It cannot be. The economy was economical: everything that could travel went only to and from work. laughing
          1. +1
            2 June 2022 23: 13
            Quote: sniperino
            This cannot be.

            And Starodubtsev's state farms were rich. My dad brought 15 sacks of potatoes for the winter, earned there under 400 rubles a month, in the late 80s, and we, shkolota, starting from 82, went there every spring and autumn, in the fall without a bucket of potatoes a day ago no one was driving.
    2. -1
      3 June 2022 21: 07
      It's strange, I haven't seen it...
  18. +1
    2 June 2022 14: 28
    That komunyaki, that scum and modern thieves - it's all against the people. Therefore, those that others should go into oblivion! hi
  19. +3
    2 June 2022 14: 34
    Quote: fif21
    That komunyaki, that scum and modern thieves - it's all against the people. Therefore, those that others should go into oblivion! hi

    And who are the people?
    1. 0
      2 June 2022 14: 58
      Like who? Appointed LDPR! laughing laughing laughing
  20. -2
    2 June 2022 14: 53
    It's amazing: damned Khrushchev destroyed, destroyed, and the country successfully developed. Borka came - they decided the USSR at once, with socialism to boot.
    1. -5
      2 June 2022 15: 28
      It's amazing: damned Khrushchev destroyed, destroyed, and the country successfully developed. Borka came - they decided the USSR at once, with socialism to boot.

      You don’t understand, in the next article the author will tell you how Tagged, Drunkard and Garant tried and are trying to restore the USSR, but the evil spirits of Lenin, Stalin and Khrushchev do not allow them to do this)
      1. +6
        2 June 2022 16: 39
        Quote: spektr9
        You don’t understand, in the next article the author will tell you how Tagged, Drunkard and Garant tried and are trying to restore the USSR, but the evil spirits of Lenin, Stalin and Khrushchev do not allow them to do this)

        Or how bad Brezhnev pro .. loved the legacy of the statesman Khrushchev, and then the sinister Marked destroyed everything that Brovenosets built and preserved with such difficulty. smile
        We always have a former boss fool,
        and the current one is just sweetie.
        Today we write history
        how the world feels a three-year-old ..,
        © A.Dolsky
  21. -5
    2 June 2022 15: 27
    Oh yes, at first the liberals and urasheks had Stalin to blame, but the people didn’t accept something, now blame everything on Khrushchev?
  22. +3
    2 June 2022 17: 29
    Samsonism...
  23. 0
    2 June 2022 18: 54
    As a young student, I was always convinced of Khrushchev's mistakes, but, my friends, these mistakes were reflected in other countries, such as Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and others. Khrushchev destroyed the USSR, and then destroyed our countries with his ideas, which were picked up by our politicians. Here friends, sudden hatred for Russia. Sometimes I wonder how this man could manage great Russia. Just understand, please, that Khrushchev is to blame for the present. am
  24. 0
    2 June 2022 18: 58
    Quote: anjey
    Khrushch is an ambiguous personality, under Stalin he was a court fool, with his hands covered in the blood of the repressed, who did not particularly prove himself in the Second World War, but surrenders to Stalin other allegedly unsuccessful defendants in the command, such as Timoshenko.

    Novocherkassk shooting. How Khrushchev destroyed the USSR
    It is a pity that he himself was not slapped, this "corncob" with Pearlmutter blood ...
  25. +2
    2 June 2022 20: 17
    Quote: Altmann
    As a young student, I was always convinced of Khrushchev's mistakes....Sometimes I wonder how this man could manage great Russia. Just understand, please, that Khrushchev is to blame for the present. am

    Khrushchev was not a hereditary prince. Held an elected office. He was removed from his post by the decision of the meeting (plenum) of the Central Committee.

    The problem is that it happened 10 years later than it should have. And the cause of the problem is the lack of democratic traditions in society. The underdevelopment of society led to the collapse of the system of socialist countries. First of all in Russia.

    We live in the 21st century in a country with democratic laws, as in an absolute monarchy. We elect general secretaries and presidents for life, just like Tsar Mikhail Romanov at the beginning of the 17th century.
    1. 0
      3 June 2022 14: 13
      Quote: ivan2022
      The underdevelopment of society led to the collapse of the system of socialist countries. First of all in Russia.

      We live in the 21st century in a country with democratic laws, as in an absolute monarchy. We elect general secretaries and presidents for life, just like Tsar Mikhail Romanov at the beginning of the 17th century.

      + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
  26. +4
    2 June 2022 20: 25
    I studied in Novocherkassk 20 years after the events. When I asked the local old-timers about the riot, how "scary" and "very scary" everything was.
    But these people are not whiners, many survived the war, they saw the Germans in Novocherkassk, but like this - their own government presses, their own army shoots for the desire to feed children - it was prohibitive, evil in its purest form.
  27. +4
    2 June 2022 22: 31
    The prerequisites for the collapse of the USSR and the entire social system were created by Khrushchev and continued by his Dnepropetrovsk mafia. 1. The war led to the depopulation of the village. Instead of developing the technical and technological base of agriculture, the MTS are liquidated, and then the collective farms are ruined. Large sums of money are being invested in the hopeless development of virgin lands with the subsequent expenditure of gold reserves on the purchase of American grain. 2. Instead of developing sectoral sciences and technologies, sectoral ministries are being liquidated, and research institutes and design bureaus are left without funds and a production base. 3. The production of consumer goods is being reduced by discriminating between the cooperative and private sectors of the economy. 4. A policy of raising penalties is being pursued, which led to a default on government bonds and a fictitious currency reform.4. Lies about repression led to the collapse of the socialist camp and became the basis of anti-communist propaganda. An amnesty for Nazi accomplices was carried out.5. Most importantly, the power of the Soviets was turned into a formal cover for the power of the uncontrolled party bureaucracy.
  28. +1
    2 June 2022 22: 54
    In addition to Novocherkask, there were other protests against the then authorities. In Temir-Tau, for example, and then in different years and in different cities. In short, we simply introduce the Coin. On one side is embossed Liberal and on the other Communist-Bolshevik. And what unites them - Reverse. On which is embossed - Russophobia. Ardent and Frank.
    In 23 there was a so-called congress of winners. On which it was announced about Russian Chauvinism more than 100 times. So the USSR collapsed because of Russophobia, those in power, like the Tsarist Empire. Yes, and in modern times, Russophobia among those in power is quite large.
    True, since February of this year, progress began. But maybe they will end as it was after 14 years. In this matter, I do not particularly trust those in power - they are muddy. It would be nice to be wrong, but we'll see.
    What follows is going to be very interesting. I warn you.
    As he warned, after the events in Kazakhstan.
  29. -1
    3 June 2022 05: 02
    "Khrushchev is to blame" ... The same thing will be said about Putin in 50 years.
    1. 0
      5 June 2022 09: 26
      Well, this is the lot of every politician.
  30. +2
    3 June 2022 11: 26
    Well, yes, the party is our helmsman. Blaming everything on Khrushchev is convenient, and most importantly, simple. No need to dig into the essence. And that in the 80s there was no such lies and hypocrisy of the party? They bought wheat and grub in millions of tons, empty stores with sea cabbage and 3-liter jars, cunning faces of traders, special services for party and Soviet ... and Brezhnev's speech at the congress with a "stone jaw" about "difficulties in supplying consumer goods in certain areas !! countries..." Khrushchev began the collapse of the USSR? Do not drive it SORRY, "bullshit". The party, it was she who began to bury. Remember how she, the party, like a sheep agreed to the "preparation" of everything communist, and therefore Soviet, after Stalin's death. How they, at the top, fought like jackals, opening up anti-party groups one after another, and how, after a well-known congress, they "revealed" to the whole world what scoundrels and scoundrels they (well, they blamed everything on Stalin). It is high time to understand that then the party was responsible for everything that was done, I mean "after Stalin"
    1. +1
      5 June 2022 10: 00
      The collapse of the USSR began with the one who allowed the united territory of Russia to be turned into "the territory of the union republics." Until 1934, Kazakhstan, for example, was a simple autonomy within the RSFSR. The same with the entire Asian part of the USSR. They proclaimed a bunch of unviable republics, exalted what could not exist. As a result, the collapse of the union and begging for subsidies from Russia.
  31. -1
    3 June 2022 16: 52
    As according to the training manual, the author distorted the story. The fact that they started shooting at the crowd when it began to smash the regional committee and the police station, a stampede began and only after that fire was opened, at first, by the way, they unsuccessfully shot into the air, trying to drive it away - not a word. I don’t take the moral aspect of the problem now, but in any country in the world, and even the one at the suggestion of which the author throws in such opuses, they would immediately start shooting at such “peaceful protesters”. And in Russia "freed from commies" people were generally democratically shot by tanks.
    I am also surprised by the people who were ready to protest against price increases in the 60s, but were ready to die silently in the 90s, when things were much worse.
  32. -1
    3 June 2022 19: 36
    The person is clearly not writing a rural ... Personally, I hate Khrushch, it was necessary to fill up this nit in the 30s. Now, about the village, how the liquidation of the MTS took place is a separate conversation ... but with everything else, no matter how painful it is for me, I am a completely rural person, even if Malenkov or Beria were business managers for Khrushchev’s place, nothing would have changed. With the development of industry in the countryside, so many workers are no longer required, and the MTS did not play any factor here. On the contrary, the liquidation of the MTS delayed the outflow of the population. Now on rural lands in our vicinity where there were 4 collective farms in the USSR, now one is quietly managed. Sitting in the city you can't see it.
  33. -2
    4 June 2022 16: 14
    Quote: Lead
    How, according to the manual, the author distorted the story .....
    I am also surprised by the people who were ready to protest against price increases in the 60s, but were ready to die silently in the 90s, when things were much worse.

    He twisted history. Because he writes specifically for those about whom the poet said "the mind cannot understand" .......

    They make up 2/3 of the population. The calculation is simple, in the first half of the 19th century 2/3 were serfs, and the current ones are their direct descendants.

    The main thing for them is to be a gentleman .... For months and even years, they squirmed and hunched over at the master in the 90s without a salary. What could not happen in the USSR at all.
  34. +1
    5 June 2022 09: 24
    Khrushchev is an example of a bawler in power. Yes, he was cunning enough not to get into the Lubyanka basement at 37 and literate enough in the struggle for power in 1953 and 1957. Good operator. But Khrushchev was not an expert in anything. Questions of the construction of the armed forces are a blunder, agriculture is a blunder. Yes, one transfer of the Crimea is worth something. In general, such a "leader"
  35. 0
    5 June 2022 16: 57
    The author of the article is absolutely right.
  36. +1
    5 June 2022 22: 25
    People returning from prisons did not tell anything.
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  38. 0
    9 June 2022 11: 55
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    ...in 1959
    put forward the slogan "Catch up and overtake
    America!

    Under Khrushchev, another slogan was - "America is heading into the abyss!" laughing
    The correct article, however, like everything from the author.
  39. 0
    7 July 2022 05: 16
    This happens in any country where an illiterate idiot, which was Khrushchev, gets to power. To this day, I remember the beginning of the 60s, when I lived in Stavromol and the whole family had to stand at night for bread, which was not enough due to the corn invasion ...
  40. 0
    16 August 2022 09: 16
    The development of national outskirts at the expense of Russian regions continues even now - look at Chechnya.

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