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“After massive shelling, the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are too depressed to fight”: in the foreign press about the tactics of the RF Armed Forces before the assault

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The successes of recent days in the capture of key defense centers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass by Russian troops are largely due to the large-scale use of artillery before the start of the assault on the enemy’s fortified positions.


As noted in the publication Pucará Defensa, the mass concentration of artillery systems by the command of the RF Armed Forces in certain sectors of the front allows breaking into the defense perimeters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine even before the armored vehicles and infantry go on the attack. The most vulnerable to artillery fire are stationary lines of defense - trench networks, field fortifications, fortifications in villages and cities and their environs.

On May 24 and 25, the Russians fired at the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Liman with all possible aviation, artillery, MLRS and heavy mortars. The bombardment continued for several hours and led to heavy losses and destruction of the defense, after which the units of the RF Armed Forces launched a pincer attack (from the north and south, through the station). More than 79 people were killed in only one battalion of the 100th Airmobile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and 200-300 survivors were too shocked and depressed to fight

- is indicated in the foreign press, explaining that the city was eventually taken by the forces of two BTGs, including with the participation of the special forces of the 24th brigade.

After the success in Krasny Liman, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation repeated the tactics of massed attacks on the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and military battalions in Severodonetsk. According to the author, on May 27, after several hours of intense artillery fire and air strikes (“on that day, Su-25 VKS flew in flocks over the entire city”), Russian troops attacked from four directions.

The greatest success this time was achieved by Chechens from the National Guard: they managed to penetrate into the northern part of the city and get to the Mir Hotel near the bus station.

- the author writes in the foreign press.

Recall that today more than 70 percent of the territory of Severodonetsk is under the control of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the People's Militia of the LPR.
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  1. Clear
    Clear 30 May 2022 20: 37
    +29
    The successes of recent days in the capture of key defense centers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass by Russian troops are largely due to the large-scale use of artillery before the start of the assault on the enemy’s fortified positions.

    You might think that the US is acting differently. They also raze settlements with residents to the ground.
    1. Shurik70
      Shurik70 30 May 2022 20: 38
      +20
      Kadyrov said that they planned to take a week, but they took it in three hours.
      1. Clear
        Clear 30 May 2022 20: 43
        +28
        Quote: Shurik70
        Kadyrov said that they planned to take a week, but they took it in three hours.

        It's better than the other way around yes
      2. January
        January 30 May 2022 21: 22
        -5
        Quote: Shurik70
        Kadyrov said that they planned to take a week, but they took it in three hours.


        Only, as it turned out, they did not take it. And now the media shyly explains "some prematureness of the statements" by the traditional Caucasian bent for embellishment...
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 30 May 2022 21: 56
          +15
          Well, "almost taken" - this means that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are still holding the so-called "industrial zone" ... that is, the territory of the thermal power plant! Vushniki are blocked there ... Some "experts" "predict" the "Second Mariupol"! But the CHPP will be "thinner" than "Azovstal"! I think that there will not be a long "sitting"! By the way, Mariupol was also declared liberated and even reported to Ali to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief when the "Azovites" still held the industrial zone!
          1. January
            January 30 May 2022 22: 23
            -1
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Well, "almost taken" - this means that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are still holding the so-called "industrial zone" ... that is, the territory of the thermal power plant!

            The KRA announced the capture of Severodonetsk at about 14:28 on May 18. Around 28:XNUMX on May XNUMX, the media reported that the Russian troops "entrenched themselves on the northern outskirts of the city."
            On May 29, the media repeatedly reported that the troops had managed to advance towards the city center. Particularly distinguished were "Chechen fighters who broke into the administration building"
            May 30 "the city is almost taken." ....

            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            By the way, Mariupol was also declared liberated, and even Ali reported to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, when the "Azovites" still held the industrial zone! So what? In Mariupol it was possible to report, but in Severodonetsk it was not possible?

            They reported to the Supreme on the liberation of the city and the blocking of the industrial zone.
            And here about "the capture of Severodonetsk in three hours"
            You can report. Lying low.
            If you don't care then my apologies hi
            1. Edik
              Edik 30 May 2022 23: 17
              -4
              It's like it happens you captured and then the Ukrainians recaptured
            2. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 31 May 2022 07: 58
              +2
              Quote: ian
              If you don't care

              And where does the difference come from? Unlike you, I have not "heard" about "taking the city in 3 hours" ... I was only familiar with the information that the residential quarters of the city are occupied by the VSR and NM ... Only the Armed Forces remained "at the disposal" CHP, where the sold-out-soldaten are blocked ... Maybe I was lucky that the information that upset you so much did not reach me; recourse because I now "disappear" in the country, sometimes for several days, and there is no Internet there yet! request
              1. January
                January 31 May 2022 08: 45
                -2
                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                Unlike you, I have not "heard" about "taking the city in 3 hours"
                It didn't stop you from starting a discussion.
                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                The Armed Forces of Ukraine are still holding the so-called "industrial zone" ... that is, the territory of the thermal power plant! The dryers are blocked...

                News of the morning: Severodonetsk is occupied by a third. Large thermal power plant ... 2/3 of the city.
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 31 May 2022 10: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: ian
                  It didn't stop you from starting a discussion.

                  And I didn’t think to “discuss”! No. Just mentioned the info that came to me! yes
                  Quote: ian
                  News of the morning: Severodonetsk is occupied by a third. Large thermal power plant... 2/3 of the city

                  CHP-2/3 of the city? belay "Where is it seen, where is it heard!?" So, not a thermal power plant for the city; but a city for a thermal power plant ?! (The thermal power plant can be "the size" of 2/3 of the city, if it is designed to supply the entire region with electricity, then outside of it! And it is a "city-forming enterprise" for the town ... But I have never heard of this in Severodonetsk!)
                  1. January
                    January 31 May 2022 10: 29
                    +2
                    The day before yesterday "the city was taken", and yesterday you stated above that
                    Quote: Nikolaevich I
                    The Armed Forces of Ukraine are still holding the so-called "industrial zone" ... that is, the territory of the thermal power plant! The dryers are blocked...

                    That was sarcasm. hi
                    1. Nikolaevich I
                      Nikolaevich I 31 May 2022 10: 43
                      0
                      Quote: ian
                      That was sarcasm

                      Aha! Clear! hi
          2. Kunica
            Kunica 31 May 2022 01: 47
            -1
            Report on the capture of Kyiv. Whenever we take it.
          3. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 31 May 2022 02: 58
            +2
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Mariupol was also declared liberated, and even Ali reported to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, when the "Azovites" still held the industrial zone!

            This and what ended in Mariupol are still much better than Zelensky’s squeals from the bunker about the “overcome” and that the Armed Forces of Ukraine almost started rehearsing the parade on Red Square.

            "Only for a complete and unconditional "overcome" give a little more money and weapons. And impose a big armful of sanctions... Squeeze a little there, in Europe-Americas, for the sake of Ukraine - after all, we stand with our breasts for the whole world...
            And then I’ll set Miller on! Scholz came up with a klikuhu - and he will come up with all of you!" laughing
          4. January
            January 31 May 2022 08: 36
            -1
            According to the news this morning, a third of the city is occupied by Russian troops. Or a very large thermal power plant in Severodonetsk, or someone lied ...
      3. YOUR
        YOUR 30 May 2022 23: 10
        +2
        What you are talking about in the article is clearly written captured 70%.
        But even if there is time for preparation, you do not take into account the shelling.
    2. Imperium_Aeterna
      Imperium_Aeterna 30 May 2022 20: 44
      +25
      How many times they said - do not stand on ceremony with them. Beat everything you have.
      The number of barrels per km of the front still solves many tactical difficulties =)
      Well, of course the quality.
      1. Myths
        Myths 30 May 2022 20: 52
        +10
        In the cities, there are still peaceful ones. So they don’t iron to the fullest like the Americans. The question is what will be careful on the left, they can be more tough there. The only question is the presence of armed points in the city with civilians. If there is no military resistance, then there is no damage to cities. True, such cities and residents interfere with 404 itself.
    3. smart ass
      smart ass 30 May 2022 21: 02
      -1
      They are still demolishing cities with depleted uranium
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 30 May 2022 21: 41
        +1
        Quote: Clever man
        They are still demolishing cities with depleted uranium

        And drink hashish laughing
        Ammunition with depleted uranium is used only against armored targets. Against buildings - bespont.
    4. fuel oil
      fuel oil 31 May 2022 09: 38
      0
      And how, according to the expert, should fortified areas be taken? Throw flowers and gingerbread?
  2. skomfit
    skomfit 30 May 2022 20: 38
    +7
    good news = great mood for the whole evening.
  3. South Ukrainian
    South Ukrainian 30 May 2022 20: 40
    +15
    Chechens, no doubt, well done, like all our fighters, but they like to brag more than others).
    1. Clear
      Clear 30 May 2022 20: 46
      +13
      Quote: South Ukrainian
      Chechens, no doubt, well done, like all our fighters, but they like to brag more than others).

      Of course, this is visible, but during hostilities, offensive operations must be carried out everywhere, including in the information space.
      Over time, the information peel will fly off and the necessary essence of the material will remain.
    2. 16091954May
      16091954May 30 May 2022 22: 07
      +12
      Let them brag! This puts a lot of pressure on the enemy and demoralizes. Helps the deshaitanization process well.
      1. donbaron
        donbaron 30 May 2022 22: 53
        -2
        And the main thing is to have something to brag about.
      2. Hermit
        Hermit 31 May 2022 01: 16
        0
        This is like a victory cry to raise the morale of the fighters and demoralize the enemy.
    3. Boycott
      Boycott 30 May 2022 22: 17
      +1
      Fighters can, and even need to. But Kadyrov is called a politician, and this is a completely different matter. Although now show me a politician who does not lie ....
  4. XiaoTou
    XiaoTou 30 May 2022 20: 43
    +10
    Step by step we are moving towards the goal! This skating rink can't be stopped... the power is in the truth!
  5. Egoza
    Egoza 30 May 2022 20: 43
    +2
    It seems that Marshal Rybalko, before one of the attacks, undertook a "psychic attack", including "howlers". It also worked well. It could be repeated in addition to artillery shelling.
    1. Clear
      Clear 30 May 2022 20: 49
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      It seems that Marshal Rybalko, before one of the attacks, undertook a "psychic attack", including "howlers".

      And spotlights...
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 30 May 2022 21: 13
        +6
        Searchlights were used by the Zhukov troops on April 16, 1945, but not with the aim of sculpting, but with the aim of increasing daylight hours, blinding also took place, of course. The searchlights were also used by the Germans at the beginning of the operation in Ardknny, but there the rays were directed at the clouds and rebounded, plus snow, and thereby also increasing the daylight hours.
        1. Clear
          Clear 30 May 2022 21: 17
          +5
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          Searchlights were used by the Zhukov troops on April 16, 1945, but not with the aim of sculpting, but with the aim of increasing daylight hours, blinding also took place, of course. The searchlights were also used by the Germans at the beginning of the operation in Ardknny, but there the rays were directed at the clouds and rebounded, plus snow, and thereby also increasing the daylight hours.

          hi Thank you. It's me based on Ozerov's film "Liberation"
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 30 May 2022 21: 26
            -1
            Well, not the best in the history of the storming of Berlin)) but now they don’t film this either
          2. Terenin
            Terenin 30 May 2022 21: 29
            +9
            Quote: Clear
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            Searchlights were used by the Zhukov troops on April 16, 1945, but not with the aim of sculpting, but with the aim of increasing daylight hours, blinding also took place, of course. The searchlights were also used by the Germans at the beginning of the operation in Ardknny, but there the rays were directed at the clouds and rebounded, plus snow, and thereby also increasing the daylight hours.

            hi Thank you. It's me based on Ozerov's film "Liberation"


            There were also so-called howlers. "Sirens of Poluboyarov" and searchlights... yes

        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 30 May 2022 21: 45
          -6
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          Searchlights were used by the Zhukov troops on April 16, 1945, but not with the aim of sculpting, but with the aim of increasing daylight hours,

          And as a result, the dust raised by the tanks was reflected in the rays, greatly interfering with the visibility of our troops.
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 30 May 2022 21: 53
            +3
            By the way, despite this advancement, it was faster and stopped already at dawn .. Well, alas, on 16 and 17 there was bad weather and they could use all the power of aviation only from the 18th, including the first mass raids of the Tu-2, well, having touched the weak link two tank armies entered the gap like the eye of a needle and the defense began to turn
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 30 May 2022 22: 00
              -6
              Was reading hi But a quick advance happened when the 45-mm infantry began to push closer to the positions of the Germans, they sat out the artillery preparation on the second line, and the tanks met with fausts, the infantry with high-density fire.
              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 30 May 2022 22: 16
                +2
                When they quickly found the positions of the so-called paratroopers, although in fact it was mainly about the meadows and those Luvtwaffe personnel were there, they broke through there, and then they already learned how to fight with a rebound to the second line, knowing this. The most important thing was surrounded and practically destroyed by the most trained regular troops, and they did not retreat to Berlin without strengthening and complicating its assault. Well, there our gunners did a great job
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 30 May 2022 22: 38
                  -7
                  Quote: Andrey VOV
                  with a rebound to the second line then they already learned to fight, knowing this

                  I read another
                  Quote: Andrey VOV
                  Most importantly, the most trained regular troops were surrounded and practically destroyed, and they did not retreat to Berlin,

                  It's definitely
                  Quote: Andrey VOV
                  Well, there our gunners did a great job

                  I thought that, mainly, the merit of the infantry
                  1. Andrey VOV
                    Andrey VOV 30 May 2022 22: 49
                    +5
                    Infantry, of course, but the use of artillery in ex-calibers, including reactive ones, helped the attackers a lot.
                    With the help of rockets for "Andryusha", several openings were made in the Reichstag through which the attackers escaped in the evening, an ordinary private in a car broke through the area under fire and the Moltke bridge and brought them back. Installed in the windows opposite and gave. The soldier was subsequently given an order. I forgot my last name
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 30 May 2022 23: 20
                      -7
                      I only wrote about Zeelovskme heights)).
                      1. Andrey VOV
                        Andrey VOV 30 May 2022 23: 34
                        +4
                        Infantry and tanks, yes. Today, without infantry, nowhere, like many dozens, or even hundreds of years ago, it is such an infantry)))
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 31 May 2022 01: 27
                        -3
                        The infantry will remain until the end of time, it will simply acquire more advanced weapons, communications, intelligence gadgets / access to existing ones. As for the tanks - it's not clear yet. Or there will be very few of them, but they will be very expensive and sophisticated cannon-air defense platforms, or, in 100+ years, they will disappear as a species. How the chariots disappeared in their time.
          2. Boycott
            Boycott 30 May 2022 22: 24
            +3
            the dust raised by the tanks was reflected in the rays, greatly hindering the visibility of our troops.
            about searchlights, even the generals of that time did not come to a consensus, and it’s not for us to discuss this. For example, from April 9 to April 12, 1946, in Babelsberg, a suburb of Berlin, in the building of the headquarters of the Group of Soviet Occupation Forces in Germany, under the leadership of General of the Army Sokolovsky, the first scientific conference was held to study the Berlin operation of the troops of the 1st Belorussian Front. There are many copies broken on this topic. Materials are available to those who are interested.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 30 May 2022 22: 42
              -5
              Quote: BoyCat
              about the searchlights, even the generals of that time did not come to a consensus, and it’s not for us to discuss this

              Why not us? Now our first full-scale campaign after 1945 is underway against hundreds of thousands of regular army, and judging by the international situation, children and grandchildren will also have to fight, so discussions of this kind are necessary.
              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 30 May 2022 22: 51
                +5
                I don’t know how old you are, but they didn’t take me, although I have experience in the database, they said the old one and with shell shock. But the nephew of Mariupol was stormed, a Marine, 29 years old .. In the hospital now, stuffed with shrapnel, you can’t get through the frame, but he’s recovering, thank God and rushing back to his
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 30 May 2022 23: 22
                  -2
                  I'm 45. Get well soon to my nephew!
                  I also have experience, albeit a small one. The most valuable conclusion from my adventures: the main thing is not to stick out. ))
                  1. Andrey VOV
                    Andrey VOV 30 May 2022 23: 33
                    +1
                    Well, something like that was told to us at the very beginning, and then they themselves came to this .... It seems that it didn’t stick out, but flew in))
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 31 May 2022 01: 21
                      -3
                      Well, it arrived - it's like ...)))
              2. Boycott
                Boycott 31 May 2022 23: 19
                +1
                Why not us? 
                Do you know what the weather was like there at the time? Humidity of air, soil, type of this soil? Wind, direction, force? The number of tanks per kilometer, the intensity of shelling? And so on and so forth, affecting dust formation. And you categorically judge the results of what, I repeat, the participants in this, from the rank and file to the high command, did not have a common opinion? In short, this Caruso of yours is nonsense, there is no voice and the note does not hit ...
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 31 May 2022 23: 31
                  -1
                  In short, dust would not have happened in Antarctica
                  1. Boycott
                    Boycott 1 June 2022 21: 40
                    +1
                    You have a bad idea of ​​a blizzard. There's nothing to see at all laughing
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 1 June 2022 22: 24
                      0
                      But not dusty fellow
      2. Fisherman
        Fisherman 30 May 2022 21: 16
        +5
        Here are the smart ladies! Exactly! Nothing new under the sun .... even in the Second World War (and even before ... artillery preparation was always carried out before an attack) it was precisely such tactics that made it possible to clear the attacked positions and protect their fighters. Now, in combination with the “barrage of fire” technique, this is the most effective method of “demilitarization” of the enemy military buried in the ground and concrete.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 31 May 2022 08: 50
          0
          Now, in combination with the “barrage of fire” technique, this is the most effective method of “demilitarization” of the enemy military buried in the ground and concrete.
          By the way, it’s very interesting, ours have already restored such coherence and accuracy, so that at the end of the Second World War, how to conduct an infantry offensive following the barrage?
          1. Fisherman
            Fisherman 31 May 2022 10: 25
            0
            restored ... as soon as they built a full-fledged front without any columns deep into unprotected territories, they began to beat the enemy where he dug in - they immediately began to apply this method. There are a lot of "Sun" (you can see from the characteristic photo of the corpses of dill), MLRS, artillery, air strikes, and immediately after working out - infantry ... but with the primary constant control of drones - this is new in tactics.
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 31 May 2022 10: 57
              0
              and immediately after working out - the infantry ...
              It seems that an offensive behind a barrage of fire is not "immediately after", but "during" artillery preparation. When the fire of the batteries is transferred a little deeper, and the infantry is already going to occupy what they have just crushed. The main condition is a very accurate maneuver with artillery fire. In order not to hurt our own people, and to move the fire as deep as possible, so that those who survived under fire would not climb out to repel the infantry attack. And simultaneously handle the next line of defense
              1. Fisherman
                Fisherman 31 May 2022 16: 09
                0
                I wrote "immediately after working out" and did not add "positions", sorry ... during the fire impact on positions, the entry of fighters even with previously purchased tickets to zero is prohibited ... the stump is clear that the shaft is moving forward and the work of artillery does not stop, so that the enemy rolls where the advancing shaft shows him, and does not have time to sneak back ... we do not discuss elementary things.
  6. Sergio_7
    Sergio_7 30 May 2022 20: 46
    +5
    More than 79 people were killed in only one battalion of the 100th Airmobile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and 200-300 survivors were too shocked and depressed to fight

    There is an alternative - to give up and stand before the tribunal!
  7. u-345
    u-345 30 May 2022 20: 47
    +11
    The bombardment continued for several hours and led to heavy losses and destruction of the defense.

    There is no reception against scrap ...
  8. Authority
    Authority 30 May 2022 20: 47
    +3
    Zhiglov's voice:
    - And now Terroborona!
    - I said Terror Defense!
  9. Arkady007
    Arkady007 30 May 2022 20: 49
    +1
    The main thing is that the shells do not run out.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 30 May 2022 21: 01
      +5
      Quote: Arkady007
      The main thing is that the shells do not run out.

      There are only two trophies for half a year of continuous shots.
  10. Maximus196723
    Maximus196723 30 May 2022 20: 52
    +4
    The greatest success this time was achieved by Chechens from the National Guard: they managed to penetrate into the northern part of the city and get to the Mir Hotel near the bus station.



    Well done Chechens! Brave professionals , God grant them strength and health to complete this operation without loss ! And once the West said that the Chechens were oppressed by Russia, just like in Ukraine they formed fascist gangs, why now they don’t blather when the Chechen, shoulder to shoulder with the Russians, destroy the national battalions armed with American weapons.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 30 May 2022 21: 00
      +6
      Quote: Maximus196723
      why now nothing is blathering when a Chechen, shoulder to shoulder with the Russians, is destroying the national battalions armed with American weapons.

      Fight for the right cause yes
  11. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 30 May 2022 21: 11
    0
    Well, this is a classic, there is nothing new in this. A good proven classic on a higher level.
  12. expert
    expert 30 May 2022 21: 21
    +1
    Quote: "several hours of intense artillery fire and air strikes ("on that day, the Su-25 VKS flew in flocks over the entire city")."
    And now the question is, where are these thousands of Stingers supplied from forty countries?
    Crush the creatures, guys!
  13. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 30 May 2022 21: 24
    +7
    Millennials discovered artillery preparation) Well, not millennials, of course, but American officers and generals. The same instructors who train the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It must be understood that the army that was in Ukraine is already ten years old. Not at all.
    It was touching to read the calls of our authorities to the Armed Forces of Ukraine to take power in the country and remove Zelensky comrades from it. The army that our authorities so charmingly naively addressed remained in 2014. Since then, it has been completely destroyed, eradicated and does not exist.
    Everything that is military in the current Armed Forces came from American instructors. And they never, ever fought with equal opponents. And their teachers didn't fight. And the teachers of their teachers ... They ran from the Germans in that War, as soon as the Germans even a little rested. When a soldier runs without knowing where, food from horror, suddenly realizing that, it turns out, they ALSO shoot at him, this is not a confrontation with the enemy)
    So the Americans do not know what artillery preparation is. This means that the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not know either. And they react accordingly. The usual, and the only successful American tactics are not applicable here. There is no way to jump out of helicopters, or jump out in cars, shoot as much as you can on the fly, and drape "home", that is, to the base. The Russian army must be resisted constantly. Day and night. Is always. The Americans have never known such a war, and they have no preparation for it. So far, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are helping out by the fact that the soldiers there are not from America, the mentality is different. But they are not Russian either. Refused to be related. Including because they always wanted not to endure and work, but to swoop in and rob. Like Americans. But at least they have somewhere to escape ...
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 30 May 2022 21: 28
      0
      Yes ... This is not carpet bombing and napalm and orange jungle to burn out, iron Iraq without interference and Afghanistan ..
    2. Imperium_Aeterna
      Imperium_Aeterna 30 May 2022 21: 43
      +7
      you don't have to be a hater.
      This is the fastest way to lose even out of the blue. Americans, if anyone is not in the know, were preparing to fight Iraq in 1991 as an enemy, if not equal in strength, then worthy. Vietnam, yes - underestimated. As a result, "gooks" drove them through the jungle. They made conclusions for 30 years.
      We are also beginning to draw conclusions, but we do not have 30 years.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 30 May 2022 21: 54
        +1
        And no one throws a hat now and there is no such mood. Hard hard work is going on with a stubborn and prepared enemy.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 30 May 2022 21: 55
        -4
        Quote from: Imperium_Aeterna
        Vietnam, yes - underestimated.

        In Vietnam, they did not lose a single big battle, their coordination between infantry, artillery and aviation was drop dead, the logistics worked great, the problem was in the very concept of the war, that is, in political decisions - they did not want to take North Vietnam, because . were afraid of repeating the Korean Script, i.e. the intervention of already nuclear China on the side of Ho Chi Minh, and they were able to make friends with the PRC only by the beginning of the 70s, when the war became very unpopular in the States themselves.
        So everything turned into a fiasco. But - not through the fault of the military.
      3. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 31 May 2022 09: 25
        +1
        Especially responsibly they prepared suitcases and bags with dollars that the Iraqi command bought) And how to prepare American soldiers for the fact that they have to die on foreign soil because because? Well, because! Go and die there, I so want! Hehe...
    3. GNM
      GNM 30 May 2022 22: 13
      +2
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Millennials discovered artillery preparation) Well, not millennials, of course, but American officers and generals. The same instructors who train the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It must be understood that the army that was in Ukraine is already ten years old. Not at all.
      It was touching to read the calls of our authorities to the Armed Forces of Ukraine to take power in the country and remove Zelensky comrades from it. The army that our authorities so charmingly naively addressed remained in 2014. Since then, it has been completely destroyed, eradicated and does not exist.
      Everything that is military in the current Armed Forces came from American instructors. And they never, ever fought with equal opponents. And their teachers didn't fight. And the teachers of their teachers ... They ran from the Germans in that War, as soon as the Germans even a little rested. When a soldier runs without knowing where, food from horror, suddenly realizing that, it turns out, they ALSO shoot at him, this is not a confrontation with the enemy)
      So the Americans do not know what artillery preparation is. This means that the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not know either. And they react accordingly. The usual, and the only successful American tactics are not applicable here. There is no way to jump out of helicopters, or jump out in cars, shoot as much as you can on the fly, and drape "home", that is, to the base. The Russian army must be resisted constantly. Day and night. Is always. The Americans have never known such a war, and they have no preparation for it. So far, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are helping out by the fact that the soldiers there are not from America, the mentality is different. But they are not Russian either. Refused to be related. Including because they always wanted not to endure and work, but to swoop in and rob. Like Americans. But at least they have somewhere to escape ...

      Yes, the Armed Forces of Ukraine forgot the Soviet school of war, acquired at the cost of heavy losses, they gave everything at the mercy of foreign instructors, their methods using UAVs are good only against militias, gumconvoys and our reconnaissance units. And in the confrontation of large formations, ours are gaining the upper hand. It’s a pity that they didn’t fight like that from the first days of the NWO - there would be fewer losses.
    4. Commodore Arctic
      Commodore Arctic 30 May 2022 22: 33
      -1
      There is no way to jump out of helicopters, or jump out in cars, shoot as much as you can on the fly, and drape "home", that is, to the base.
      good
    5. PAUL 7
      PAUL 7 31 May 2022 16: 55
      +1
      Well, you wrote great! I've thought that all my life.
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 30 May 2022 21: 41
    +1
    “After massive shelling, the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are too depressed to fight”: in the foreign press about the tactics of the RF Armed Forces before the assault
    . And what, now, to wait for the Kukuevsky chiefs and warriors?
    Wait until our shells and bombs run out?
    But will the Kukuevskys run out of their army by that time, finally? What is the question then?
  15. And why do you need
    And why do you need 30 May 2022 21: 56
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    The Armed Forces of Ukraine miscalculated that they would have to fight only with the forces of the LPR and the DPR. Here is the result, in three months the loss of control over 20-25% of the territory
  16. Common sense
    Common sense 30 May 2022 22: 05
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    Well, what did they want? In full growth in the attack on machine guns?
    This is not a movie about Chapaev.
  17. the same doctor
    the same doctor 30 May 2022 22: 13
    -3
    Massed shelling is ineffective. it's time to put a homing head on each missile ...
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  19. Maximus196723
    Maximus196723 30 May 2022 22: 42
    +4
    The greatest success this time was achieved by Chechens from the National Guard: they managed to penetrate into the northern part of the city and get to the Mir Hotel near the bus station.



    This is Schemamonk Jonah of Odessa

  20. cooper
    cooper 31 May 2022 02: 48
    -3
    Specifically Putin and Shoigu! Maybe you finally deign to explain yourself to the people? What is happening, the fourth month of the so-called. CBO, maybe stop playing spillikins and finally take on the Ukronazis in an adult way ?? And - where are the promised retaliation strikes against the so-called. solution centers in Kyiv? Where is the massive bombardment of means and routes for the delivery of Western weapons? How long?!
  21. riwas
    riwas 31 May 2022 04: 57
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    On May 24 and 25, the Russians fired at the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Liman with all possible aircraft, artillery, MLRS and heavy mortars. The bombardment continued for several hours and led to heavy losses and destruction of the defense, after which the units of the RF Armed Forces launched a pincer attack (from the north and south, through the station). More than 79 people were killed in only one battalion of the 100th Airmobile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and 200-300 survivors were too shocked and depressed to fight

    The tactics of victory, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have nothing to oppose to it.
  22. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 31 May 2022 08: 42
    0
    Interestingly, what is the density / saturation of artillery systems per 1 km of the front during such strikes?
    1. iouris
      iouris 31 May 2022 13: 58
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      The density of artillery used to be synonymous with its firepower. The ability to hit squares in fortified areas arranged in cities, if desired, to preserve the infrastructure and life of the population, is not an indicator of effectiveness. Reconnaissance, target designation accuracy, firing range, response time, the ability to hit the highest priority targets and evade a retaliatory strike are important. Here, sometimes one advanced artillery system can be equal in efficiency to ten obsolete ones.
  23. Gunther
    Gunther 1 June 2022 08: 58
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    Greatest success this time
    reached the Chechens from the Russian Guard ...

    Only by faithfully serving in the Russian army can success be achieved.