Nuclear submarines with cruise missiles. Project 949 "Granite"

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After upgrading the potential enemy naval armament (F-14 "Tomcat" deck fighter-interceptor, S-3 "Viking" anti-submarine aircraft), the "anti-aircraft" SSGNs of the 675 project (even after upgrading them) seemed insufficient to ensure the destruction of the factions. It was necessary to create a new, much more powerful and long-range missile system with an underwater launch, ensuring the application of massive underwater strikes at ships (mainly aircraft carriers) from considerable distances with the possibility of choosing the target to be hit.





Under the new complex, a new carrier was needed, which can carry out 20 – 24 volley fire from a submerged position with missiles (according to calculations, this concentration of weapons can “penetrate” the missile defense of a promising US Navy aircraft carrier compound). In addition, the new missile carrier should have increased secrecy, speed and depth of immersion, to ensure separation from pursuit and the possibility of overcoming the enemy’s anti-submarine defense.

Preliminary work on the 3 submarine rocket carrier was launched in 1967, and in 1969, the navy issued the official TTZ for a “heavy submarine missile cruiser” equipped with an operational missile system.

The project, which received the code "Granite" and number 949, was developed at the Central Design Bureau of Marine Equipment "Rubin" under the leadership of P. Pustyntsev. In 1977, after his death, Baranov AND L. was appointed as the chief designer, and the main observer from the naval fleet - Captain of the second rank Ivanov V.N. It was assumed that when developing a new missile carrier, scientific and technical backlog, as well as individual design decisions obtained during the creation of the world's fastest project 661 submarine, will be widely used.

The Granit missile system, developed by OKB-52 (today the Mashinostroenia scientific and production association), had to meet very high requirements: the maximum range was at least 500 km, the maximum speed was at least 2500 km / h. “Granit” from previous complexes with a similar purpose was distinguished by flexible adaptive trajectories, versatility in launch (surface and underwater), as well as carriers (surface ships and submarines), salvo firing with rational spatial location of missiles, and the presence of interference-free selective control system. It was allowed to fire at targets whose coordinates have a large error, as well as with considerable time of data obsolescence. All operations for launching and daily maintenance of missiles have been automated. As a result, Granit acquired a real opportunity to solve any tasks of a sea battle with one carrier.





However, the effectiveness of long-range anti-ship missile systems was largely determined by the capabilities of target designation and reconnaissance systems. The system "Success", based on the Tu-95, did not possess the necessary combat stability. In this regard, in the early 1960-x. industry science and industry were tasked to create the world's first space-based all-weather surveillance system for surface targets throughout the world’s oceans and issuing DD with direct transfer of information to storage media weapons or ship (ground) command posts. The first government decree on the start of development work on the development of the MKRTS (Maritime Space Intelligence and Targeting) system was issued in March 1961. The largest design teams and scientific centers of the country were attracted to this large-scale work.

The head organization, which was responsible for the creation of the MKRTs, was initially identified by OKB-52, under the leadership of VN Chelomey, General Designer. The development of a unique (unparalleled in the world to the present) nuclear on-board power plant for the satellites included in the system was the responsibility of OKB-670 (scientific and production association “Red Star”) of the Ministry of Environment. But OKB-52 did not have the necessary production capacity to ensure the serial production of spacecraft for the navy. Therefore, in May, the 1969 of the year was connected to the program by the Leningrad design bureau and the Arsenal plant to them. Frunze, who became the head in the program of "sea" satellites.

The MKRTS Legend system consisted of two types of spacecraft: a satellite with a nuclear power plant and an onboard radar station, as well as a satellite with a solar power plant and a space station of radio intelligence. The Arsenal plant already in 1970 began the production of prototypes of spacecraft. In 1973, the flight tests of the spacecraft of the radar reconnaissance began, and a year later, the satellite of the radio-technical reconnaissance. The radar reconnaissance spacecraft was commissioned in 1975, and the entire complex (with the electronic reconnaissance spacecraft) - in 1978.

The space complex of electronic intelligence provides detection and direction finding of objects that emit electromagnetic signals. The spacecraft has a high-precision three-axis system of orientation and stabilization in space. The power source is a solar power plant in combination with buffer chemical batteries. The multifunctional liquid-propellant rocket launcher ensures the stabilization of the spacecraft, the correction of the height of its orbit, the issuance of a pre-acceleration pulse during the launch of the spacecraft into orbit. The mass of the device is 3300 kg, the inclination of the orbit is 65 degrees, the height of the working orbit is 420 kilometers.

Nuclear submarines with cruise missiles. Project 949 "Granite"
Granit missile launch with SSGN 949 Granite - OSCAR-I, artist impression, 1987 g


The space complex 17K114 was intended for conducting space marine reconnaissance and target designation and consisted of the spacecraft 17Ф16, equipped with a two-way side-view radar, which provided all-day and all-weather detection of surface targets. The onboard power source was the nuclear power plant, which, upon completion of the active functioning of the apparatus, is separated and transferred to a high orbit. The multifunctional liquid-propellant rocket launcher carried out the stabilization of the spacecraft, the correction of the height of its orbit, as well as the delivery of the overclocking impulse when entering the orbit. The mass of the device is 4300 kilogram, the inclination of the orbit is 65 degrees, the height of the working orbit is 280 kilometers.

In addition to the space component, the MKRTS included ship data reception points directly from the spacecraft, which ensure their processing and the issuance of the control center for the use of rocket weapons (developed by the Kvant research and production association in Kiev).

In November, the 1975 of the year began the tests of the RR P-700 RK, which received the same name "Granit" (as well as the SSGN cipher). The tests ended in August 1983. In April, 1980 of the year, even before their completion, the main submarine cruiser of the 949 project, K-525, was accepted into the Northern Fleet.

Like all previous Soviet submarines, the SSGN of the 949 project has a structurally designed two-hull architecture — an external hydrodynamic shell and an internal strong hull. The stern with plumage and two propeller shafts is similar to nuclear submarines with cruise missiles of the 661 project. The distance between the outer and inner hulls provides a significant margin of buoyancy and survivability in the event of a torpedo hit. However, for the same reason, the submarine has a huge underwater displacement - 22,5 thousand tons, of which 10 thousand tons - water.

Durable cylindrical body, made of steel AK-33, whose thickness was 45-68 millimeters. The hull was designed for a maximum immersion depth of 600 meters (working depth - 480 meters). The end bulkheads of the solid hull are spherical, cast, the aft radius is 6,5 meters, the bow radius is 8 meters. Cross bulkheads flat. The bulkheads between 1 and 2, as well as the 4 and 5 compartments, are designed for atmospheric pressure 40 and are millimeter thick 20. Thus, the submarine is divided into three shelters for emergency situations at depths up to 400 meters: in the event of flooding of a solid hull, people have a chance to escape in the first, second or third, or in the stern compartments. Other bulkheads inside the rescue zones were designed for 10 atmospheres (for depths up to 100 meters). The robust housing was divided into 9 compartments:
The first is a torpedo;
The second is control, AB;
The third is the radio room and combat posts;
Fourth - living quarters;
Fifth - auxiliary mechanisms and electrical equipment;
Sixth - reactor;
Seventh and Eighth - GTZA;
Ninth - rowing motors.

Open launchers of the Granit missiles of the SSGN 949 av.


The SM-225 / SM-225A launcher of the "Granit" complex (Asanin V., Missiles of the Russian fleet // Equipment and armament)


Fencing mines retractable devices shifted toward the bow of the submarine. It has a great length - 29 meters. In addition to the retractable devices, it contains a pop-up rescue chamber that can accommodate the entire crew, containers for the Igla-1 man-portable air-defense system, two VIPS devices designed for firing hydroacoustic countermeasures. The shielding of shafts of sliding devices (as well as the light hull) is equipped with ice reinforcements and a rounded roof intended for breaking ice during ascent in difficult ice conditions. Retractable nasal horizontal rudders are located in the nasal tip. Lightweight body has anti-acoustical coating.

The power plant of the ship is maximally unified with the main power plant of the SSBN of the 941 project and has a two-stage damping system and a block design. It includes two OK-650B water-cooled reactors (190 mW each) and two steam turbines (with a total power of 98 thousand hp) with the main turbo-gear unit OK-9, which work through speed reduction gears by two propeller shaft. The steam turbine plant is located in two different compartments. There are also two turbo generators (3200 kW each) and two backup diesel generators DG-190 (800 kW each), as well as a pair of thrusters.

The main power installation due to dvuhvalnosti has one hundred percent reservation. The main turbo-gear unit, the steam-generating unit, electric motors, autonomous turbine generators as well as the shaft line and the propeller of one side are duplicated by the second side. In this regard, the failure of a single element or the entire mechanical installation of one side of a submarine does not lose its combat capabilities.

The main armament of the SSGN 949 of the project includes 24 anti-ship missiles "Granit" in twin PU. Containers with rockets are placed outside the robust hull with a constant angle of elevation - 40 degrees. The targeting of anti-ship missiles was provided from satellites of the space reconnaissance and targeting system 17K114. The submarine was equipped with a buoy-type pop-up antenna - “Catfish”, which allows you to receive radio messages, satellite navigation signals and target designation, being under the ice and at great depths. The antenna is located behind the felling fence in the superstructure.

Nuclear submarine project 949A with open missile shafts starboard


The 3M45 rocket of the Granit complex, which has a nuclear (500 Kt) or high-explosive warhead (750 kg), is equipped with a cruise missile propulsion CR-93 with a solid-propellant ring rocket accelerator. The maximum range of fire from 550 to 600 kilometers, maximum speed at high altitude corresponds to M = 2,5, at low altitude - M = 1,5. Starting weight is 7 thousand kilograms, case diameter is 0,88 meters, length is 19,5 meters, wingspan is 2,6 meters.

Missiles can be fired not only singly, but also in a salvo (up to 24 anti-ship missiles, launching at a very high rate). With a salvo fire between the missiles, an automatic distribution of targets is performed. A salvo provides the creation of a dense grouping of missiles, making it easier to overcome the enemy's anti-missile defense. Organization of flight of all missiles in a salvo, additional search for an order and “covering” with the included radar sighting rocket flying above the rest, allows the rest of the salvo anti-ship missiles to fly in radio silence on the marching sector. During the flight of missiles, the optimal distribution of targets between them within the order occurs. Complex flight trajectory and supersonic speed, high noise immunity of radio electronic equipment, as well as the presence of a special retraction system aviation and enemy anti-aircraft missiles provide Granita when fired in full salvo, a high probability of overcoming the anti-missile and air defense systems of an aircraft carrier (it is believed that nine hits by Granit missiles are required to sink a US Navy strike aircraft carrier). To increase the survivability of the missile warhead against means of short-range destruction, it was made armored.

Torpedo-missile automated complex "Leningrad-949" allows you to use torpedoes, as well as rocket-torpedoes "Wind" and "Waterfall" at all depths of the dive. The complex includes two 650-mm and four 533-mm torpedo tubes equipped with a fast-loading device with transverse and longitudinal feed racks placed in the bow of the submarine, and the Grind torpedo fire control devices. The fast-loading device allows you to use the entire ammunition torpedoes for a few minutes. The ammunition includes 24 torpedoes (650-millimeter anti-ship missiles 65-76А, 533-millimeter universal USET-80), Shkval missiles and anti-submarine missiles (84-Р and 83-Р). Torpedoes can be fired from depths up to 480 meters at speeds from 13 nodes (65-76А) to 18 nodes (USET-80).

The basis of the radioelectronic armament of a nuclear submarine with cruise missiles of the 949 project is the Ouibus MVD-132 IMS, the consoles of which were located in the second compartment in the GKP. Boat equipped HOOK CIM-540 «Ramp-3», consisting of determinant fractures NOR-1, a mine-detector station MG-519 «Harp" station-alarm transponder MGS-30, the navigation detector circular NOC-1, MG-512 «Screw" , echoledomera MG-543, MG-518 "North". All of these tools make it possible in the automated mode to find, bearing and track various targets (up to 30 targets simultaneously) in narrow and broadband direction finding modes in the infrasound, sound and high frequency ranges. There is a low-frequency towed receiving antenna, which is produced from the upper tube on the aft stabilizer and hydrophones placed along the sides of the light hull. GAK operates at a distance - up to 220 kilometers. The main mode is passive, however there is the possibility of automated detection, measurement of the course angle and the distance to the target by the echo signal (in active mode). A demagnetizer is installed along the light housing.



The Medveditsa automated navigation system consists of a direction finder, anchor-based navigation system for hydroacoustic responder beacons, the ADK-ZM space system, the GCU-1M gyrocompass, the KM-145-ПХNUMX magnetic compass, inertial systems, lag and other devices closed on the digital computing system complex "String". All means of communication are combined in the Molniya-M complex. Intelligence data from airplanes can or spacecraft can be received on the "Catfish" buoy antenna in a submerged position. The received information after processing is entered into the ship combat information management system Omnibus. Also on the submarine there is a television-optical complex MTK-2, which allows to conduct visual observation from a submerged position from the depths of 110 ... 50 meters.

For the members of the crew of a nuclear submarine with cruise missiles of the 949 project, optimal conditions were created for autonomous navigation of a long duration (autonomy is estimated to be 120 days). The personnel were provided with individual permanent berths in 1-, 2-, 4- and 6-cabin cabins. The living compartments were equipped with a broadcasting network. The submarine has a canteen and a saloon for the simultaneous eating of forty-two sailors, for baking bread and cooking - a galley consisting of cooking and preparation departments. The reserve of provisions, designed for complete autonomy, was located in the storerooms and provision chambers (including freezers). The submarines also have a gym, solarium, swimming pool, living area, sauna, and so on.

In all modes, when the main power installation is in operation, the air conditioning and ventilation system provides the room with standard air values ​​for humidity, temperature and chemical composition. The system of chemical regeneration provides in the compartments of the submarine during the entire voyage in the autonomous mode the content of carbon dioxide and oxygen within the established norms. The air cleaning system eliminates the content of harmful impurities.

Emergency rescue means developed for the submarines of the 949-th project are superior to those of submarines of previous projects. The design reserve of buoyancy is more than 30 percent, which provides surface navigation and unsinkability in the event of full flooding of any compartment of a solid hull, as well as two adjacent tanks adjacent to the flooded compartment of the main ballast of one side. The reserves of VVD, provided by the project, provide the ability to blow the ballast in an amount necessary to compensate for the negative buoyancy in case of flooding any compartment with damage to two tanks of the main ballast at a depth of less than 150 meters. The blowing time of all tanks from the periscope depth is less than 90 seconds. For emergency blowing used powder gas generators. The hydraulics system operates from a pair of overlapping steering and ship hydraulics pumping stations located in the ninth and third compartments. In the event of a total de-energization of the submarine, they have the reserve of energy necessary for the three crossings of the bow of the horizontal and stern rudders. Submersible dewatering facilities ensure the removal of water not only in the surface position, but also at all depths including the maximum, with the total pumping at the maximum depth - more than 90 cubic meters per hour.

The submarine is divided by length into two rescue zones: from the 1-th to the 4-th compartment and from the 5-th to 9-th compartment. In the nasal zone is a pop-up camera accommodating the entire crew from the maximum depth (in the fence of the sliding devices). The stern zone is equipped with an individual rescue system - by exiting the emergency hatch in diving equipment. Luke is located in the ninth compartment. All zones are separated by inter-sectional bulkheads, the main purpose of which is to ensure the unsinkability of the vessel.

The autonomous buoy of complex B-600, rising from depths to 1 thousand meters, provides automatic data transmission over a distance of 3 thousand kilometers during 5 days about a submarine accident and its coordinates at the moment of separation from the buoy boat. The rescue hatch of the ninth compartment makes it possible to use the rescue equipment of the submariner (it was adopted in 1980 year). The hatch is equipped with a manual or semi-automatic controlled sluice system that provides submariners to exit from depths to 220 meters, as well as sluice upon exiting via buipress from depths to 100 meters without flooding the 9 compartment. Placing the coaming platform over the 9 compartment ensures the landing of a deep-sea rescue vehicle or rescue bell, which is lowered along the guide cable.






In the USSR Navy, the boats of the 949 project were assigned to nuclear missile submarines of the first rank. In the west, they received the designation Oscar class.

According to the estimates of domestic experts, the SSGN of the 949 project by the criterion of "efficiency / cost" is the most preferred means against enemy aircraft carriers. The cost of one submarine of the 949-A project, as of the middle of 80, was 226 million rubles, which at face value was only 10 percent of the cost of the Roosevelt multi-purpose aircraft carrier (2,3 billion dollars without taking into account the cost of the aircraft wing). At the same time, according to experts from industry and the navy, one submarine nuclear-powered vessel was able, with a high probability, to destroy a number of escort ships and an aircraft carrier. But other quite authoritative experts questioned these estimates, considering that the relative effectiveness of these submarines was greatly overestimated. In addition, the problem of identification and target designation for any long-range weapons and especially missile weapons has always been the “Achilles heel”. For effective defeat of mobile targets, such as ships, it was necessary to get target designation just before the shooting itself, that is, in real time. Such target designation for nuclear submarines with cruise missiles on the AUG can in principle be obtained from reconnaissance aircraft (Uspekh-U) and the spacecraft (MKRTS Legenda). However, the spacecraft is very vulnerable - even before the start of a combat operation, it can be shot down, suppressed, and reconnaissance aviation will have to extract data in the domination zone of the aircraft of a potential enemy, leading battles with it, and it will be unrealistic to get information from a surface vessel . It is also necessary to take into account the fact that the aircraft carrier is a universal fighting means capable of solving a wide range of tasks, while the submarine was a ship of a narrower specialization. And if not to compare with the US Navy aircraft carriers, then two submarines of the 949 project cost (even in the Soviet Union, where mass production of nuclear submarines went) more expensive than, for example, the 11435 “Admiral of the Soviet Kuznetsov Fleet” heavy aircraft carrier.

Modifications

On the SSGN of the 949 project, starting from the second building, a towed antenna of the hydroacoustic system was placed on the upper vertical stabilizer in the tubular fairing.

Construction program

The construction of the SSGN of the 949 project was carried out from the 1978 year in Severodvinsk at the Northern Machine-Building Enterprise (CVD No. 402). Built 2 corps - K-525 ("Arkhangelsk") was introduced into the 02.10 fleet. 1981 and K-206 (“Murmansk”) was introduced into 20.12. 1983. Further construction was carried out on an improved project 949-A. Originally it was planned to build a minimum of 20 nuclear-powered submarines with cruise missiles, but the collapse of the Soviet Union and the economic crisis effectively crossed out this program.

Status on 2007 year

Currently, both nuclear-powered 949-th project are taken to the reserve.

The main tactical and technical characteristics of SSGN project 949:
Surface displacement - 12500 tons;
Underwater displacement - 22500 tons;
Main dimensions:
The greatest length - 144 m;
The greatest width - 18,2 m;
Draft on KVL - 9,2 m;
Main power plant:
- 2 water-cooled reactor OK-650B, total power 380 mW;
- 2 PPU;
- 2 GTZA OK-9
- 2 steam turbines, total power 98000 hp (72000 kW);
- 2 turbogenerator, power of each 3200 kW;
- 2 diesel generator DG-190, power 800 kW;
- 2 shaft;
- 2 thrusters;
- 2 seven rotor propellers;
Surface speed - 15 nodes;
Submerged travel speed - node 30 ... 32;
Immersion depth - 480 ... 500 m;
Extreme depth of immersion - 600 m;
Autonomy - 120 days;
Crew - 94 people (including officer 42);
Impact rocket armament:
- SM-225 launchers of sea-based anti-ship missile systems П-700 "Granit" - 12 X 2;
- 3М45 anti-ship missiles (SS-N-19 "Shipwreck") - 24;
Anti-aircraft weapons:
Launchers of the portable 9K310 Igla-1 / 9K38 Igla (SA-14 Gremlin / SA-16 Gimlet) anti-aircraft missile system - 2 (16)
Torpedo armament:
650 mm torpedo tubes - 2 nasal;
650 mm torpedoes 65-76А - 6;
533 mm torpedo tubes - 4 nasal;
USET-533 - 80 18-mm torpedoes;
Anti-submarine guided missiles 83-P "Waterfall" / 84-P "Wind"; Squall missiles - instead of part of torpedoes;
Mine armament:
- can carry mines instead of torpedoes;
Electronic weapons:
Combat information and control system - Omnibus-949;
General detection radar system - MRKP-58 "Radian" (Snoop Head / Pair);
Hydroacoustic complex MGK-540 "Skat-3":
- NOR-1;
- MG-519 "Harp";
- MGS-30;
- NOK-1;
- MG-512 "Screw";
- MG-518 "North";
- MG-543;
- BGAS on the second building;
Means of electronic warfare:
"Anis", "Zone" (Bald Head / Rim Hat, Park Lamp) 2 X VIPS to launch GPA;
Navigation complex:
- "Synthesis" space navigation;
- "Dipper-949";
- GKU-1M gyrocompass;
- ADK-ZM "Sail" space navigation;
Means of targeting SCRK:
- “Selena” (Punch Bowl) AP kosmich. Coral systems;
- МРСЦ-2 АP of the aviation system "Success";
Radio communication complex:
- “Bark” of the PMU;
- "Lightning-M" (Pert Spring);
- "Catfish" buoy antenna;
Radar system of state recognition: "Nichrom-M".

Project 949-A "Antey" • Oscar-II class

After the first two ships built on the 949 project, the construction of submarine cruisers began on the improved project 949А (code “Antey”). As a result of the modernization, the boat received an additional compartment, which made it possible to improve the internal layout of weapons and on-board equipment. As a result, the ship’s displacement increased slightly, while at the same time it was possible to reduce the level of the unmasking fields and install improved equipment.

According to a number of domestic experts, by the criterion of “cost-effectiveness”, SSGNs of the 949 project are the most preferred means of dealing with enemy aircraft carriers. As of the middle of 80, the cost of one boat, the 949A, was 226 million rubles, which at par was only 10% of the cost of the Roosevelt multipurpose aircraft carrier (2,3 billion dollars, excluding the cost of its aviation wing). At the same time, according to the calculations of experts of the Navy and industry, one submarine nuclear-powered vessel could with a high probability damage the aircraft carrier and a number of its escort ships. However, other quite authoritative experts questioned these estimates, believing that the relative effectiveness of the SSGNC was overestimated. It was necessary to take into account the fact that the aircraft carrier was a universal fighting means capable of solving an extremely wide range of tasks, while submarines were ships of much narrower specialization.

Currently, the boats of the project 949 withdrawn. At the same time, the grouping of submarines of the 949А project is, in addition to the Tu-22М-3, sea-launched missile and long-range aircraft, in fact the only means capable of effectively resisting US attack aircraft carrier formations. Along with this, combat units of the grouping can successfully act against ships of all classes during conflicts of any intensity.

The robust hull of a two-hull submarine, made of steel, is divided into 10 compartments.

The power plant of the ship has a block design and includes two OK-650B water-type reactors (190 mW) and two steam turbines (98.000 hp) from the OKZA-9 GTS, operating on two propeller shafts through gearboxes that reduce the rotation speed of the propellers . The steam turbine plant is located in two different compartments. There are two turbo generators for 3200 kW each, two diesel generators DG-190, two thrusters.

The boat is equipped with the MKK-540 “Skat-3” hydroacoustic complex, as well as with a radio communication system, command and control, space reconnaissance and target designation. Reception of reconnaissance data from spacecraft or aircraft is carried out in a submerged position on special antennas. After processing, the information received is entered into the ship's CICS. The ship is equipped with an automated, having increased accuracy, increased radius of action and a large amount of information processed by the navigation system “Symphony-U”.

The main armament of the missile cruiser is the 24 supersonic cruise missile of the P-700 “Granit” complex.

On the sides of the wheelhouse, which has a relatively large length, outside the robust hull are located 24 paired airborne rocket container, inclined at an angle 40 °. The ZM-45 rocket, equipped both with nuclear (500 KT) and high-explosive warheads with a mass of 750 kg, is equipped with a cruise propulsion jet engine KR-93 with a solid-fuel rocket accelerator. The maximum firing range of 550 km, the maximum speed corresponds to M = 2,5 at high altitude and M = 1,5 - at low. The launch mass of the rocket is 7000 kg, length is 19,5 m, body diameter is 0,88 m, wingspan is 2,6м. Missiles can be fired either singly or in salvo (up to 24 RCCs, launched at a high pace). In the latter case, target allocation is carried out in a volley. The creation of a dense grouping of missiles is provided, which facilitates the overcoming of the enemy's missile defense systems. The organization of the flight of all the volley missiles, the additional search of the order and the “covering” of its included radar target allows the anti-ship missiles to fly on the cruise station in radio silence mode. In the course of the flight of the missiles, an optimal distribution of targets within the warrant between them is carried out (an algorithm for solving this problem was developed by the Institute of Armaments of the Navy and the NGO Granit). Supersonic speed and complex flight trajectory, high noise immunity of electronic equipment and the presence of a special system of removal of the enemy’s anti-aircraft and aircraft missiles provide Granit with a full volley of relatively high probability of overcoming air defense systems and missile defense systems.

Automated torpedo-missile complex of a submarine allows the use of torpedoes, as well as the torpedoes “Waterfall” and “Wind” at all depths of the dive. It includes four 533-mm and four 650-mm torpedo tubes located in the forward part of the hull.

The Granit complex, created in 80's, was already obsolete by the year of 2000. First of all, it refers to the maximum firing range and missile immunity. The element base underlying the complex has also become obsolete. At the same time, the development of a fundamentally new operational anti-ship missile system is currently not feasible for economic reasons. The only real way to maintain the combat potential of domestic "anti-aircraft" forces is obviously the creation of a modernized version of the Granit complex to be placed on the 949A SSGN during their scheduled maintenance and modernization. It is estimated that the combat effectiveness of the upgraded missile system, which is currently under development, should increase by approximately three times compared to RK Granit, which is in service. The rearmament of submarines is supposed to be carried out directly at the bases, and the time and cost of implementing the program should be minimized. As a result, the existing grouping of submarines of the 949А project will be able to function effectively until the 2020s. Its potential will further expand as a result of equipping ships with the “Granit” version of the spacecraft capable of hitting ground targets with high accuracy with non-nuclear equipment.











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    1. Alexander-Tomsk
      +2
      8 October 2012 09: 38
      The first photo directly pleased, a good tradition to call such submarines the names of cities wink
      1. 0
        8 October 2012 10: 32
        The only real way to maintain the combat potential of domestic “anti-aircraft” forces is, obviously, the creation of a modernized version of the Granit complex for deployment on the 949A submarine during their planned repairs and modernization. According to estimates, the combat effectiveness of the modernized missile system, which is currently under development, should increase by about three times compared with the Granit RK, which is in service.


        then there is no replacement at the moment, the author so say that there with the modernization of Granite for more
        1. 0
          8 October 2012 10: 55
          Granites cut long ago
        2. Sokol peruna
          +2
          8 October 2012 12: 08
          I did not post this article here, but along the way these are two articles combined into one from the Atrin site.
          http://atrinaflot.narod.ru/1_submarines/02_plark_949/0_949.htm
          http://atrinaflot.narod.ru/1_submarines/02_plark_949/0_949a.htm
          And if we talk about authorship, then this is V. Ilyin, A. Kolesnikov "Domestic nuclear submarines" published in the journal "Technics and Armament" No. 5-6 for 2000.

          Due to the modernization of Anteyev, then at the moment Zvyozdochka is undergoing repairs with the restoration of technical readiness for 3 years, without modernization. On the Star, too, like VTG without modernization.
          1. +1
            9 October 2012 00: 23
            It seems that they wrote that they would re-arm with Onyx and Caliber. But in what quantity and when it will start they did not say. New, like on this topic did not write
            1. Sokol peruna
              +1
              9 October 2012 07: 44
              At the beginning of the year, it was infa at the air base that in 13-14, the modernization of 3 buildings 949A will begin - Irkutsk, Tomsk at Zvezda, Orel at Zvezdochka. At the moment, as I already wrote on the Zvezdochka CS, the Smolensk VTG is underway with the extension of the MRS for three years. Voronezh was previously repaired, too, VTG with an extension of the MRS for three years.
        3. 0
          9 October 2012 20: 58
          The program "Military Secret" talked about replacing the "Granit" anti-ship missiles with "Onyx" or "Yakhont", and a container with 4 new missile launchers was placed in the Granite launcher.
      2. CEO
        CEO
        +2
        8 October 2012 10: 43
        And a sailor, as if feeding her something tasty)))))) Let the baby grow. Good cruiser.
    2. 0
      8 October 2012 10: 08
      It is necessary to sail to the Americans for Christmas at such a time, LET BE JOYED! lol
    3. Tirpitz
      +2
      8 October 2012 10: 11
      Beauty. If I could choose where to serve, I would go to her.
      1. +3
        8 October 2012 10: 46
        Quote: Tirpitz

        Beauty.

        This is not just a beauty! This goldfish can so in the face of any fleet give little seems!
        1. atamura
          0
          9 October 2012 14: 30
          No, really beautiful submarines-fishes !! fellow
    4. +2
      8 October 2012 10: 59
      I "like" the author - he writes about the state for 2007, and 2012 ends in the yard. Both first Oscars were cut long ago. As for the project itself, it turned out too big. And all because of the desire to place more missiles, because of the light hull, because of the two-roll. Hence the wild visibility.
    5. MURANO
      +3
      8 October 2012 11: 57
      The fourth photo from the beginning of article 945A
      1. postman
        0
        8 October 2012 18: 27
        Quote: MURANO
        MURANO

        prvt. Not in the know: does she have a towed GAS?
        1. MURANO
          0
          8 October 2012 18: 31
          Quote: Postman

          prvt. Not in the know: does she have a towed GAS?

          Hi. What project?
          1. postman
            0
            8 October 2012 19: 54
            PLARK project 949
            1. MURANO
              0
              9 October 2012 11: 15
              Quote: Postman

              PLARK project 949

              Man, well, there’s Google. smile
              There is no GPBA on the "pure" 949.
              1. postman
                0
                9 October 2012 16: 49
                Quote: MURANO
                Well, there is Google.

                Mein Freund, In google-gibt es nicht solche Information!

                Also: there isn’t such a thing there, I asked a special person (by avatar), I know Google.

                I called familiar and "unclean", the same is not like.
                We have a problem with a towed CEO.
                How 949 was going to kick out of the hunters with AMG ....
                1. MURANO
                  +1
                  9 October 2012 21: 11
                  Quote: Postman
                  there is no such

                  It can’t be. I sent you there not because I don’t know, but because it is there.
                  Quote: Postman
                  thought special (by avatar)

                  And no mistake.
                  Quote: Postman
                  and on "unclean", the same is not like.

                  Is.
                  Quote: Postman
                  We have a problem with a towed CEO.

                  More often organizational plan.
    6. +4
      8 October 2012 18: 25
      The boat for its time was quite unique and with a powerful strike potential, but this potential was ruined by the lack of a reliable external target designation system for anti-ship missiles. In the event of war, the satellites were shot down in the first place, and the reconnaissance aircraft of the Navy aviation were quite easily detected and intercepted by enemy AUG aircraft long before the boat approached the launch line of the anti-ship missile system, which was provided by the boat's own means of detecting, i.e. somewhere within 200 km from the target, especially since the main mode of detecting the enemy's ships was the passive mode of the SJC "Skat 2" in which 200 km was also not always obtained. The effectiveness of the anti-ship missiles themselves and their ability to self-govern and redistribute the duties of the "leader" during their flight in the "flock" under the influence of electronic warfare equipment was and is also questionable, especially since the "Granit" anti-ship missile was not at all small and was quite easily detected by means of detection AWACS and U aircraft as well as fighters from the AUG. Of course, under the command of competent commanders, the Antei could "make a rustle" in the enemy's camp, but this "rustle" was mainly ensured through the use of the "short leash" tactics in which the boat had to get as close as possible in order to remain unnoticed. And with such tactics, the probability of detecting and destroying one's own boat was significantly higher than the probability of detecting and destroying a target. We must also take into account that the hunt for such boats went on and is going on continuously and by all available means. And the foe has enough of them. This is the SOSUS system, Orion-type patrol aircraft and AUG carrier-based aircraft, and AUG combat escort ships and many other "things". Those. to swim to the AUG at a distance that ensures reliable detection, tracking and destruction of an aircraft carrier by means of a boat is not easy at all, despite all its formidable missile-torpedo potential and, in principle, good means of detecting targets. On the other hand, the boats have a huge reserve of modernization and the outdated Granites may well be replaced by more modern missile weapons capable of finding and hitting targets without relying on a good "uncle" from the outside. There would be a desire to modernize these boats in real life, and not to portray modernization, which is easier.
      1. MURANO
        -1
        8 October 2012 18: 37
        Quote: gregor6549
        The effectiveness of the anti-ship missiles themselves and their ability to self-govern and redistribute the responsibilities of the "leader" during their flight in the "flock" under the influence of electronic warfare equipment was and is also questionable,

        Of course, in doubt. smile There is no "leader". laughing
        Quote: gregor6549
        able to find and hit targets without relying on a good "uncle" from the outside.

        How's that? smile Any RCC can do this. The question is what it will find. smile
        1. 0
          9 October 2012 04: 18
          The most important feature of Granites is their "intelligence" ie. the ability of each missile to find the most delicious target, and to take over the functions of the coordinator of the "flock" missiles if the missile originally assigned for this task is shot down. All this is good, but the main detector of Granite is the radar of its seeker. They learned how to interfere with such radars or use anti-missiles guided by radioactive missiles against RGSN missiles back in the late 60s, and now they have advanced very well in this science. long away. When I talked about missiles capable of independently detecting and selecting targets, I had in mind not so much anti-ship missiles whose detection range is very limited due to their low flight altitude, but rather ballistic missiles capable of viewing a large zoom in the upper part of the trajectory, finding and recognizing a target and then giving target designation its guided warheads, the benefit of both the time and height for these focuses will be much more for ICBMs than for anti-ship missiles (This issue was discussed in detail in the topic about survivability of aircraft carriers and it does not make sense to repeat here).
          On the exchange of data between Granites. To interfere with such data exchange channels is also not a problem since it is practically impossible to use radio links with narrowly directed antennas for such an exchange, and omnidirectional radio radiation is easily detected and is no less easily suppressed by interference. And sometimes, instead of gross suppression, such information is entered into the communication channel that simply leads the missile off course.
          1. MURANO
            +1
            9 October 2012 11: 12
            Quote: gregor6549
            The most important feature of Granites is their "intelligence" ie. the ability of each missile to find the tastiest target, and take over the functions of the "flock" missile coordinator if the missile originally assigned for this task is shot down

            There is no "initially designated missile" in the complex. All missiles have the same algorithm of operation.
            Quote: gregor6549
            When I talked about missiles capable of independently detecting and selecting targets, I did not mean so many anti-ship missiles in which, due to the low altitude, the detection range is very limited, but

            You are floating in terms. All missiles, with the exception of those where there are TUs, independently detect targets. For this, there is a GSN. And what you meant is called TsU.
            Quote: gregor6549
            On the exchange of data between Granites. Interfering with such communication channels is not a problem either. it is practically impossible to use radio links with narrowly oriented antennas for such an exchange, and omnidirectional radio radiation is easily detected and is no less easily suppressed by interference

            Yes, but if you knew how SOIR works, you would not write this. wink
            1. 0
              9 October 2012 13: 47
              Dear Sergey, I will not embark on long and heavy disputes over trifles and not on the substance of the issue, especially since there is no place to discuss the details here. It is obvious to me that you did not quite understand the essence of my comments. And if so, why argue.
      2. not good
        +1
        8 October 2012 23: 45
        Yeah, of course, the satellites knocked down by the herds rained down on the ground, and the bear knocked down when the regiment of fighter interceptors leads it, its teeth will crumble. space is more difficult, but VKS specialists beat their hair on parquet, which will give target designation to any .... with an accuracy of 50 m. 95 they can insert anyone completely, just don’t interfere. God bless them.
      3. SASCHAmIXEEW
        0
        9 October 2012 14: 31
        I’m generally a deletant, but if targeting is carried out from a UAV or from a balloon probe launched from a boat towards the adversary?
    7. Alex 241
      0
      8 October 2012 18: 33
      Gregory, what about the old Exocet that sank Sheffield during the Falklands war? What you wrote is a hypothetically favorable situation for the AUG. Type is a mad commander and his submarine with crew.
      1. 0
        9 October 2012 04: 33
        Alexander, the situation with Exocet, as well as the situation with the Israeli ship that received a missile from Nasrallah during the last Lebanese war, speaks only of the negligence of the ship's crew and the underestimation of the enemy and it is somehow incorrect to draw conclusions based on isolated cases. Of course, in a big dump, everyone will get it. people control technology from both sides. And people are people. And if the radio operator took a pint of whiskey or a glass of vodka on his chest in the evening, then no "super duper" radar will save him, tk. in military systems ALL decisions, including target acquisition decisions (true / false). its identification (friend / foe), recognition (aircraft carrier / floating log), setting it up for escort or dropping from escort, etc. takes the person. Therefore, it was not about a mad commander, but about a clever girl who could deceive the most sophisticated technical "bells and whistles" of an adversary. And such commanders were and are.
    8. 0
      8 October 2012 18: 51
      oh, loaf, loaf. nostalgia
    9. postman
      +1
      8 October 2012 20: 09
      The very P-700 is bulky:
      1. +1
        8 October 2012 20: 19
        Quote: Postman
        Very P-700 bulky

        but power
        1. +1
          8 October 2012 21: 56
          and the start is again noticeable too
          1. 0
            8 October 2012 22: 04
            Quote: Delta
            and the start is again noticeable too

            But did you see how she leaves? A few seconds after leaving the water, the starter fires back and the product seems to have kicked, it was, and no
            1. +1
              8 October 2012 22: 43
              the effect is not only visual. This is because its main competitor - "Tomahok", has a length of half. Who will have more visibility? by the way, "Tomahok" hits up to 2 km, and "Granit" - 500 km.
              1. Alex 241
                +1
                8 October 2012 22: 48
                When shooting from an underwater launch, the speed of the tomahawk is 900, but it is significantly inferior to granite in speed.
              2. +3
                9 October 2012 13: 41
                in kindergarten patriots naminusili)))) Well, it’s not my fault that the performance characteristics are)))
                1. Alex 241
                  +2
                  9 October 2012 13: 44
                  Growth problems do not pay attention good
                2. MURANO
                  0
                  9 October 2012 13: 51
                  Quote: Delta
                  Well, it's not my fault that the performance characteristics are)))

                  Vyacheslav, the comparison is still not correct. smile
                  1. +1
                    9 October 2012 13: 52
                    so with whom else was there to be compared?
                  2. Alex 241
                    0
                    9 October 2012 13: 57
                    Sergei Vyacheslav is right in his assessments, but again we hypothetically assess the situation ideally, the ACG and the submarine, and who and whom. Counteraction to air defense, air defense, anti-submarine forces of the enemy. If you briefly consider the situation, the beginning of the war ............
                3. matvey.z
                  +1
                  9 October 2012 15: 46
                  I corrected a bit
              3. matvey.z
                +1
                9 October 2012 15: 45
                Quote: Delta
                This is because its main competitor is "Tomahok",

                RGM / UGM-109B
                all this distance at ultra-low altitude, it is difficult to detect by radar, no noise, no puff, no disturbances
                1180 kg-1450 kg weight, against 7000 kg (more than 5 times lighter)
                Warhead 450 kg, against 750 kg
                450/1450=0,31, против 750/7000=0,107
                WHAT MORE will fit into an equal carrier: 1450 kg or 7000 kg?

                Quote: Delta
                by the way, the Tomahok hits up to 2 km

                This is the RGM / UGM-109A TLAM-N, this is with the nuclear warhead. All BGM-109A missiles were decommissioned under the START-I treaty in the early 1990s.

                for 109B and modifications 450-550km
                1. +1
                  9 October 2012 16: 04
                  Forgot about modification E, which is now in service with the United States
    10. Alex 241
      0
      8 October 2012 20: 14
      Well, the PAD is bulky here, on the trajectory it shoots back.
      1. postman
        0
        8 October 2012 20: 21
        I mean for the carrier, which is evident in the appearance of the carrier.
        It is not weak in size even without PAD:
        7 tn, 10 m
        1. Alex 241
          0
          8 October 2012 20: 46
          Basil agree, this is not to shoot with sparrows laughing Well, this is such a joke. But seriously, you understand perfectly well that the main part is occupied by the engine, warhead.
          1. postman
            0
            8 October 2012 22: 11
            I understand everything \ (Specialty tea), I ov och:
            The P-700 pays weight and dimensions for its enormous speed and supposedly for the ability to overcome the pro (air defense) of the attacked ship, but there is another side:
            -logistics
            media sizes
            Detectability during attack
            -universality (on carriers: air, land sea)
            It is almost the size of an F-16 (sorry I can’t find the photo)
            1. Alex 241
              0
              8 October 2012 22: 23
              Each type of weapon has its own nomenclature, you won’t hang a grenade launcher on a fighter, it’s a purely marine missile. The speed near the water is M = 1.5;
              1. postman
                +1
                8 October 2012 23: 12
                Quote: Alex 241
                you won’t hang a grenade launcher on a fighter,

                Why exaggerate so?
                Until now, there is no reliable assessment of effectiveness: cc RCC (with a lower charge) or subsonic RC (with a higher charge)
                [img] http://alternathistory.org.ua/files/resize/users/user349/Granit & F16-650x204.jpg [/ img]

                + what he was talking about
                1. Alex 241
                  +1
                  8 October 2012 23: 17
                  Sorry, I didn’t want to offend. But the answer is likely: the higher the speed, the greater the probability of an air defense breakthrough. Although even granite has a probability of hitting a target like a cruiser of the order of 0.4 (with one missile)
                  1. postman
                    +3
                    8 October 2012 23: 58
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    But the answer is likely: the higher the speed, the greater the likelihood of an air defense breakthrough

                    R-27K = 100% probability of a breakthrough ABM AUG (AMG)
                    The probability of defeat ..... must be remembered. The article was not published.
                    All the little things.
                    Granite is good. But I guess:
                    -significantly expensive
                    Logistics is even more expensive
                    - the carrier is just big, take a look at "Antey" or RK.
                    The larger the media, the easier it is to detect (I exaggerate of course)
                    I suppose that he simply will not be allowed into the launch zone (such a pun came out)
                    IUSS and SOSUS
                    SURTASS
                    FDS and ADS
                    R-3C "Orion" with RSL "Jezebel", "Julie", DIFAR, KASS, DIKASS and others; magnetic detector AN / ASQ-81; search radar AN / APS-115B; AN / ALQ-78 electronic reconnaissance station; IR station AN / AAS-36.
                    "Orion-2000" will soon be (and this is already 3300 km)
                    + S-3A "Viking" + anti-submarine helicopters AUG
                    + APL hunters with TOWED GAS.

                    In advertising slogans:
                    "According to the experience of combat and operational training of the Navy, to shoot down such
                    a missile is almost impossible. "
                    Weakly believe. It turns out that our S-300 (400,500) knocks everything, even a fly, but here they (well, they are skew-witted and shy from birth ... (as many people think here)) cannot shoot down a 7-ton machine the size of an F-16
                    1. postman
                      +3
                      9 October 2012 00: 01
                      Quote: Postman
                      can't shoot down a 7 ton machine the size of an F-16

                      truthfully possessing (хsay) ISIN ("intelligent flock")
                    2. Alex 241
                      +2
                      9 October 2012 00: 06
                      I recognize that I think we will draw little from open sources, then the shooting will be carried out in one gulp and practically at point blank range. And just another case from life: as cadets, we calculated an outfit of forces and means to destroy an aircraft carrier and break through the AUG air defense. A squadron was received when the aircraft carrier was defeated with probability 0.8. To which the teacher said that it is not necessary to heat this vessel, it is enough to disable the flight deck.
                      1. postman
                        +2
                        9 October 2012 01: 36
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        You know, I think from open sources we glean little

                        I'm just wondering myself. Naturally, the limitation of information (actual) affects.
                        As for "damaging the deck" ... I think they can patch it up very quickly. This is practically a "floating" plant, a warehouse.
                        Putting patches of iron on iron is not difficult.
                        / This is really not about the P-700, and not really fiction /
                        - Vampires, vampires! - exclaimed the officer of the combat control center on board the cruiser Ticonderoga. “Numerous rockets are flying toward us.” Get ready to open fire.
                        The air defense commander of the compound ordered the transfer of the Ticonderoga anti-aircraft systems entirely to automatic mode. The missile cruiser was designed specifically for this purpose. Air-to-ground missiles were located at an altitude of eight thousand feet, at a distance of one hundred miles and flew a mile in four seconds. Now each rocket has chosen a target - the largest in its field of vision. The Nimitz turned out to be the largest and closest ship located; to the north of it were atomic cruisers.
                        The Tiko launched the first four of its anti-aircraft missiles when the Russian AS-6 approached ninety-nine miles ...
                        The missile shell closest to Nimitz exploded eight hundred yards from the port side of an aircraft carrier. A thousand kilograms of explosive threw a giant ship. Towland felt this concussion, and for a moment the thought flashed through his mind that the missile had hit the aircraft carrier. Around him, the war control center officers frantically worked. One rocket disappeared from the radar screen, but four more remained.
                        The next AS-6 approached the bow of the aircraft carrier, and the bow gun blew it up, but already too close to the ship. Fragments showered the deck, killing a dozen sailors there.
                        The third missile went astray due to a cloud of mylar strips and crashed right into the sea half a mile behind the aircraft carrier. From the explosion of the warhead, the Nimitz hull vibrated and a thousand-foot water column soared upward.
                        The fourth and fifth missiles approached the ship from the stern, less than a hundred yards from one another. The stern gun led both, but could not decide which one to shoot first. As a result, she froze in a neutral position and did not open fire at all. Missiles hit the aircraft carrier almost simultaneously - one in the left corner of the aft part of the flight deck, the second in the second cable of the aerofinisher.
                        The fire aboard the Nimitz was extinguished within an hour. Since there were no aircraft on the deck, there were no combustible and explosive materials, and the ability of an aircraft carrier to fight fire was not inferior to the fire brigades of a large city.

                        But to demolish all the external "organs of touch" (antennas, range finders, navigation, etc.) on figs is more real.
                        It is unlikely that a set of antennas is tinkering with.
                        1. Alex 241
                          +1
                          9 October 2012 01: 39
                          Didn’t you accidentally quote Tom Clancy’s? I think the line of 30mm guns well picks up the flight deck, and steam catapults, not to mention the bombs. Remember Enterprise, and the battle of Midway. And if you demolish the island (superstructure) then generally a song good
                        2. postman
                          +1
                          9 October 2012 03: 11
                          He, his darling, was re-read recently by telephone.
                        3. Alex 241
                          +1
                          9 October 2012 03: 16
                          For his motives, the film is still filmed: "the law of valor" seems to be so, but I do not pretend to be accurate.
                        4. postman
                          0
                          9 October 2012 16: 47
                          Quote: Alex 241
                          "law of valor"

                          Not not him, like
                          The story of the difficult everyday life of the elite group "fur seals", who are tasked with pulling CIA agents out of captivity. Fulfilling the mission, the soldiers simultaneously destroy the terrorist group, whose plans included a large-scale attack on the United States.

                          If only this:
                          http://video.mail.ru/mail/ivan-kalashnik/4698/5673.html
                        5. Alex 241
                          0
                          9 October 2012 16: 51
                          and it doesn’t matter, so propaganda moore.
                    3. +2
                      9 October 2012 10: 16
                      yes, everything is quite controversial here, since it is not "tested in practice" - but before the early 90s they had a lag in the air defense system from the USSR, and even now it is not very liquidated, it's just that our development process was slowed down by good uncles, + sold over the hill ..... S-300 when compared with the first versions of the Patriot - much better, the later Patriots - should be compared with the S-400 of the latest modifications, the ship groups were not armed with long-range missiles, but short and short radius actions - the effectiveness of the P-700 is also not proven, so everything is debatable, but the rocket is not an airplane - the speed and overloads during maneuvering - can do their job, if the airplanes manage to dodge once and again, then the piece of iron has more chances , and the mass character when approaching will also do its job, don't you think that the entire air wing will be running around the AUG for days !? besides, with a sufficient approach to the coast - the same AUG can attack in combination the same Tu-22M3 + the same P-700 missiles, which can be guided from a target designation aircraft, which (again, with a sufficient approach to the coast) can to reliably cover with fighter-interceptors and in case of an attempt to shoot him down - it will be enough for him to go back, under cover of ground air defense systems, given the long range of Air-to-air missiles - there will be fewer people who want to chase target designation planes - so until they invented "wunder Waffen "then no one will give any guarantees about the outcome of events, everywhere a different set of circumstances can affect - and 7 tons if it breaks through and hits - I think it will be bad for the aircraft carrier, it just depends on where)))) but also the submarine - It is also quite possible to find and sink - I think the whole question is whether it will be possible to fire a salvo - at the target, if so - I am more than sure that the carrier order will be worn out. But in general - you need to ask the Mythbusters - let them buy a submarine and AUG, hire volunteers and check)))))
                      1. postman
                        0
                        9 October 2012 17: 25
                        Quote: Dart Weyder
                        they had a lag in the SAM from the USSR

                        Due to the fact that no one threatened them in fact. They wanted to wage war on ETVD.
                        It is unlikely that they seriously counted on air strikes in the United States.
                        Quote: Dart Weyder
                        S-300 when compared with the first versions of Patriot

                        How to compare that (parameter)? and so what?
                        In 1979, the first S-300PT regiment took up combat duty.
                        MIM-104A Patriot 1980 first contract, deployed in 1984, MIM-104B (PAC-1) since 1985
                        Compare (nameplate)
                        S-300 never took part in real hostilities.

                        Quote: Dart Weyder
                        Well, you don’t think that all the air wings will be worn around the AUG for days
                        What for? there is a "shift on duty"

                        Quote: Dart Weyder
                        the same AUG can attack combined the same Tu-22M3 + the same P-700 missiles,

                        vaf and I talked about this topic .... DO NOT FLY (22), only if Norway (tip) is on the beam, and who gets into the cold there?
                        Quote: Dart Weyder
                        and 7 tons if it breaks and hits - I think the aircraft carrier will feel bad,

                        I agree, the crazy kinetics Ek = mV (2) / 2.
                        Granite just like that (without warheads) you can jam ships to the cruiser
                        If it hits of course
                        Quote: Dart Weyder
                        I think the whole question is - will it be possible to carry out the volley - on purpose,

                        Here I am about the same thing. Efficiency, only with a salvo (and after a salvo of 949, it will be destroyed by 90%), but the salvo still needs to be done. water is an inertial medium. Otherwise, the submarine will "jump" over the water
                    4. MURANO
                      +1
                      9 October 2012 11: 26
                      Quote: Postman
                      In advertising slogans:
                      "According to the experience of combat and operational training of the Navy, to shoot down such
                      a missile is almost impossible. "
                      Weakly believe.

                      And you’re doing it right. One is not difficult. But the trick of the complex is breeding along the front. This is more complicated, because all missiles approach the target at the same time ... But there are also many nuances ..
                      1. postman
                        0
                        9 October 2012 17: 27
                        Quote: MURANO
                        But the feature of the complex is breeding along the front.


                        In addition to advertising, there is data (record), it is hard to believe with our computer, in the artificial intelligence of the pack.
                        Quote: MURANO
                        This is more difficult, because. all missiles approach the target at the same time.

                        I doubt it. simultaneous start is not possible.
                        7 ton plushy will not barrage (side by side) and wait until the neighbors start.
                        1. MURANO
                          -2
                          9 October 2012 21: 05
                          Quote: Postman
                          hard to believe with our computer, in the artificial intelligence of the pack.

                          I can’t believe it in vain. There is no intellect of the pack. Everything is easier there. GENIALLY simple.
                          Quote: Postman
                          I doubt it. simultaneous start is not possible.

                          It is not simultaneous. But there is a collection on range and a divorce on the front.
                          Quote: Postman
                          7 ton plushy will not barrage (side by side) and wait until the neighbors start.

                          And nevertheless, they are waiting, though not barrage. wink
                        2. postman
                          0
                          10 October 2012 00: 25
                          Quote: MURANO
                          Everything is simpler there. GENIALLY simple.

                          And how?
                        3. MURANO
                          0
                          10 October 2012 13: 37
                          Quote: Postman
                          And how?

                          The algorithms are the same for all CRs. And their work depends on the type of target introduced during the pre-training ....
                          In general, the complex is still in service ... bully
                        4. postman
                          0
                          11 October 2012 01: 54
                          Quote: MURANO
                          Algorithms for all CRs are the same

                          If you mean ALL KR (both ours and them) - this is complete nonsense, maybe:
                          1.different iron (absolutely) (not in the know specifically, but also so clear)
                          2.different software (language) (absolutely): assembly and even COBOL, ADA and pSOS + (m), X10 and Python
                          3. Different (absolutely) principles implemented in the GOS (and so on before "digitizing" the template)
                          -Stop-Motion Aimpoint Update and Stop-Motion Aimpoint Update (84H e.g.)
                          -TER-COM and DSMAC (e.g. HCS-1)
                          -NAVSTAR and DSMAC (e.g. 109C, Block-3)
                          - broadcast aboard a submarine from a missile radar image of the target and transmitting commands from the ship about the selection of specific targets (e.g. P-6)
                          -a method of triangulation from a wide base (adjusted for the artificially induced Magnus effect) and an algorithm for scanning and comparing images using closed (beginning to end) ring codes describing the allocation of brightness boundaries in a desired optical range with a principle of SUFFICIENT according to a sequentially complicated scheme (by resolution) matches with a BORDER number of codes (e.g. *** - in service)
                          MUSIC method - not implemented for RCC
                          -method of transformations of matrix projections (n.d. of implementation for RCC)
                          Hartley Fast Transform Algorithm (BPH) for processing an LFM pulse (project)
                          -Analysis of the function (AF) of the ambiguity of digital (DTV-T) signals of territorial systems (project)
                        5. MURANO
                          0
                          11 October 2012 10: 14
                          Quote: Postman

                          If you mean ALL KR (both ours and them)

                          I meant "all KR salvo". That is, only Granites. smile You asked about them.
                        6. postman
                          +1
                          11 October 2012 21: 34
                          Quote: MURANO
                          I meant "all CD volley".

                          SOIR,
                          Does anyone really believe that:
                          1) in the bands J - 10-12 GHz and K - 27-40 GHz.
                          PAP AN / WLR-8 / V / 4 and POP AN / SLQ-17 will not jam J tight (recall power of Avianotsots power plant? Should I compare it with P-700 power, even if there is a herd, not a flock)
                          DPEWS: AN / SLQ-31 (V) or AN / SLQ-32 (V), or AN / SLQ-30 will reach K.
                          This is without the AN / SLR-20 on Hokai.
                          EP-3E from the end of the 70s can intercept radio communication lines
                          / P-700 protection system, developed with November 1965, XNUMX in the laboratory of department No. 25 of the Central Research Institute "Granite" /
                          2) the logic of choosing the main target in the order of the ships, allows you to select the largest target in the order / game theory /, exchange, w / o SOIR
                          will work in reality? -sm.p1)
                          3) somehow forgotten RBOC DLS (or already II) of 40 rounds of 112 mm PSU with CHAFFSTAR chaff, GEMINI combined chaff / Infra-Red (IR) decoy, HIRAM II IR
                          decoy, LOROC, 40 per pack.
                          The old ones, for several kilometers in 5 seconds, created a cloud larger than an aircraft carrier, with parameters in the IR and RL ranges.
                        7. MURANO
                          0
                          12 October 2012 01: 03
                          Quote: Postman
                          will work in reality?

                          Chances are few.
                        8. postman
                          0
                          12 October 2012 10: 59
                          Quote: MURANO
                          Chances are few.
                          that's what I'm writing about.
                          A flock / or she / subsonic (RCC 300-1000kg), even if not combined into a pride, will do more harm than
                          a flock / or one / dragonflies / supersonic / (RCC P-800 7000kg)

                          - chances to break through more
                          easier to deliver (carriers are completely different)
                          You look at the PL 949 is a masterpiece? looks like a pregnant mother of many children:
                          - resistance to movement
                          noise
                          -Stecurity restriction (do not hide)
                          inertia (by maneuver)

                          and what is being done after the launch of the P-700, I’m silent at all.

                          They say ( winked ), the ship over about a day to scrub after that, and sometimes to paint.

        2. 0
          8 October 2012 20: 48
          Quote: Postman
          It is not weak in size even without PAD

          remembered the story. remember, there was such a leader-rutskoy. comes to the plant (1992), show him the granite. product without a starter, consoles and plumage are spread out. he walked around, walked around and said: "where is the pilot's cabin?" the bosses quickly drove everyone into the smoking room, so that nothing happened, and quickly, quickly dragged this "expert" to the banquet
          1. +2
            8 October 2012 22: 57
            Well, in fairness, it should be mentioned that this figure has 485 sorties. Just everyone should do their own thing. In the same way, a submariner can get lost in a tank, for example
            1. Alex 241
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              8 October 2012 23: 06
              Well in the tank it's hard to get lost wink
            2. -2
              9 October 2012 20: 38
              Quote: Delta
              that this figure has 485 sorties

              he would have commanded, otherwise he climbed into politics and business
      2. MURANO
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        9 October 2012 11: 22
        Quote: Alex 241
        Well cumbersome here PAD

        It is more correct to say CPC (starting booster stage) smile
        1. Alex 241
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          9 October 2012 21: 17
          thanks for clarification good
    11. Alex 241
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      8 October 2012 20: 56
      Well, we always had enough "experts." Our political officer (an infantry officer, no offense to the infantrymen) approached the plane, grabbed the airborne gun pole, and said: THE AIRPLANE IS OLD, AND THE PUSHECHKA IS NEW,
      1. 0
        8 October 2012 21: 03
        Quote: Alex 241
        A CANNON AS A NEW

        well, and would have dressed him quietly on this gun. in the north, the quartermaster put the car between two barracks. the midshipman and the officers lifted his hands and put it across. It turned out that the bumpers rested the car against the walls, back to back. the quartermaster then looked for a crane
    12. Alex 241
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      8 October 2012 21: 09
      I'm afraid to incur the administrator's wrath, but nevertheless: the platoon commander had a hunchbacked "constipation", but only the left door opened, and the right one was tightly closed, and as he was especially atrocious, we lifted his car with our hands and with the left door to the wall. .............. Then he bought a Muscovite, but that's another story wink
    13. roial
      -2
      8 October 2012 22: 56
      The boat is impressive.
      But only target designation to the complex is carried out by means of carrier detection or with the help of an aviation or space target designation system. Aviation target designation system "Success" was used with the use of target designation aircraft (Tu-95RTs and others) or Ka-25Ts helicopters - I do not think that the Americans will give the opportunity to fly over their groups.
      The ICRC Legend space reconnaissance and target designation complex has one satellite in orbit, the US-A was abandoned in 1988, and the US-P was only one, and then according to the statements of the military, and according to the Americans, it collapsed in 2007 year.
      So this boat does not have a reliable control unit, and therefore, what the hell is it that can oppose the AUG.
    14. tambu
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      9 October 2012 17: 38
      oh and they are cool)
    15. Anthrax
      +2
      9 October 2012 20: 32
      And why then build a missile defense system to intercept Russian missiles?
      GRANITE FROM a nuclear warhead LAUNCHED FROM A SUBMARINE FLIES to the Amer coast in 15-20 minutes from a distance of 500 km.
      And on the ocean coasts of the United States dozens of cities of millionaires.
      These are not stupid Americans, they are not building an ineffective missile defense.
      This is our propaganda is lying.
      ABM to intercept Russian missiles launched in Europe.
    16. sxn278619
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      9 October 2012 23: 37
      Don't you understand?
      A satellite has discovered an aircraft carrier.
      When and how will these coordinates get on a boat that goes under water at a depth of say 200 m?
    17. 0
      10 October 2012 09: 18
      The devil knows what I have more after reading articles and comments of specialists ... pride or anger? Pride in the fact that all this was done with us ... and anger because under the bravura talk about total rearmament, all this is slowly written off to the scrap without any replacement.
    18. +4
      28 October 2012 17: 19
      Yes, "loaves" are power. Like all of them, they have their advantages and disadvantages ... But ... a couple of decades on one project they just make you get used to such ships. By the way - the last photo (in winter, in frost, near the pier) is "Smolensk" when Anton Valentinovich was still in command. And I called "Smolensk" itself simply - THE LAST IMPERIAL CRUISER !!!

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