Firepower is Everything: Special Operation Z Artillery

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"Hyacinth-S". Source: rutube.ru

Salvo weight


The determining factor on the Ukrainian battlefields was the weight of an artillery salvo - the larger it is, the more effective the defense and offensive. In the first phase of the special operation, the role of artillery was not so decisive. First, fast tank and amphibious breakthroughs in February 2022 did not involve massive artillery preparation. In the best case, they worked out cruise or operational-tactical missiles on the reconnoitered accumulation of the enemy. Secondly, apparently, the Russian troops at the beginning of the operation simply did not have enough cannon and rocket artillery at the regimental and divisional-army levels. But right now this technique plays a crucial role in all sectors of the Ukrainian front. Figuratively speaking, the conflict, which began as a typical operation of the 25st century, has now moved to the realities of the middle of the XNUMXth century. Much now depends on the "gods of war", and domestic artillery is successfully coping with the tasks. First of all, this is openly recognized by the enemy. In numerous reports, mercenaries and homegrown nationalists complain about serious artillery pressure. A fighter of the XNUMXth separate airborne brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine explained in an interview:

“The situation is very bad… Russian troops are just destroying everything with artillery, shelling day and night.”

The mercenary Povilas Limontas, who fled home to Lithuania, echoes him:



"If you have engaged in a skirmish with the Russians, then you have only 10 minutes before the start of the raid on your positions by Russian artillery."

The Kyiv propagandist and the main “calmifier” of Ukraine Arestovich openly says that the nationalists in the Donbass are retreating under the blows of long-range artillery and missiles. And, of course, it demands from the West regular deliveries of heavy weapons. The last time the Germans were blamed was delaying the delivery of Leopard, Gepard and Marder.


"Msta-S". Source: wikipedia.org

During interrogations, the prisoners confirm that the Ukrainian side suffers the main losses from artillery fire. In some units, up to 40-50% of the personnel were knocked out by artillery strikes. And this is quite natural. Unlike the first phase of the Russian offensive, now the troops advance only after a preliminary artillery sweep. This, by the way, is the reason for the apparent slowness of the development of events in the Donbass now. It must be understood that the enemy is saturated with high-tech equipment - drones-kamikaze, reconnaissance UAVs, thermal imagers, modern ATGMs and MANPADS. Much easier to grind it not even aviation, namely artillery fire. As American analyst and former UN inspector Scott Ritter rightly noted, the ability to penetrate enemy defenses with artillery and missiles will win in battle for a very long time. And Ukraine is no exception. Simply because the Western "hi-tech" supplied by the countries of the West fails much more often than, for example, the D-30 howitzer and the Akatsiya self-propelled gun. For example, the batteries of the infamous Javelins in some of the products were simply discharged. Ritter generally expressed doubts about the effectiveness of the F-35 fighters praised only on paper. Weapon high tech is only good when there is a quiet and safe airfield nearby. It's good to bomb somewhere over Afghanistan, and then land and drink a cup of coffee while technicians service whimsical electronics. And when positions at the front and rear units are shelled around the clock, here the unpretentiousness and reliability of equipment come to the fore. With this, the Russian artillery, like the rest of military equipment, is all right.


Nobody openly talks about the presence of the newest Russian "Coalition-SV" in the Ukrainian theater of operations. However, a lot of vehicles have already been produced (about 50 copies), so we can assume that now is the time to test this high-precision weapon in combat conditions. Source: wikipedia.org

An important reason for the widespread use of artillery was the "green" Ukraine. Simply put, even from a reconnaissance quadcopter, the location of enemy units is sometimes not always visible. Rather than endanger the next column of armored vehicles, it is much more reasonable to plow the "green" with shells in advance. Military telegram channels are saturated with views of Ukrainian fields, dotted with thousands of artillery arrivals. Not Verdun, of course, but very close. In principle, according to this scheme, the offensive of the Russian army is now taking place. First, reconnaissance (ground or air), then a neat barrage of artillery, then tanks and infantry. About the same way, the Red Army smoked out the Wehrmacht during the Vistula-Oder operation. At a certain moment, the Germans learned to crawl back to the second line of defense, wait out the artillery attack, and then come back, meeting the advancing tanks and infantry with fire. In response to the trick, we got a smooth movement of the front of fire of the Soviet artillery from the front edge deep into the defense of the Wehrmacht.

Hack defense


The position of the Ukrainian troops will worsen every day. It's all about the positions that they are now leaving in the Donbass. For 8 years, they managed to build a new Maginot line, which can be taken head-on after the total destruction by heavy artillery. No one is going to do this, so the nationalists are either locked up in boilers or forced to retreat. And where to retreat? In a clean field, forests and cities. In all cases, so-so fortifications from artillery raids. No wonder we see more and more evidence of plowed Ukrainian dugouts and trenches on the edges of the forest. Throughout Ukraine, up to the western border, not a single fortified area comparable to the Donbass has been created. Of course, with the exception of cities and industrial enterprises. But here the nationalists are well aware of what this threatens with the example stories bandits from Azovstal. That is why the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the national battalions will continue to die under shells and missiles, or prudently go into captivity.

Among the advantages of allied artillery on the battlefields of Ukraine, there are some of the most undeniable. First of all, Russia has a much larger resource in technology, and it is very specific for different conditions. The quality and weight of a salvo of Russian artillery is now a key factor in breaking Ukrainian defenses. Multiple launch rocket systems of three calibers - 122-mm "Grad" / "Tornado-S", 220-mm "Hurricane" and 300-mm "Tornado". Of course, some systems have their roots in the 70s of the last century, but this does not at all lose their relevance. Barrel artillery of 152-mm caliber is represented by two howitzers at once - "Acacia" and "Msta-S", and a self-propelled gun "Hyacinth-S". The "Reserve of the High Command" is represented by the 203-mm gun "Malka" and the 240-mm mortar "Tulip". With Malka, the situation is generally unique. In most cases, this gun is not afraid of the counter-battery fight of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - the firing range allows it to work according to the “long arm” principle with impunity. At the regimental level, from self-propelled vehicles - 122-mm "Carnation", 120-mm "Nona" and "Vienna". And this is just a list of self-propelled artillery capable of quickly being transferred from one sector of the front to another and even evading return fire. Ukraine, we recall, has already lost more than one and a half thousand of its artillery systems. Neither the United States nor any other NATO country has even the approximate amount of artillery that Russia can match. There are more than 152 1-mm Giacint-B guns alone, and the number of D-30 howitzers is approaching 5. Europeans and Americans will be able to provide Ukraine with at least approximate parity only by completely clearing out their arsenals. And this means that the potential for the supply of Western weapons will eventually dry up.


D-30 at the rehearsal of the Victory Parade in Donetsk. The weapon, of course, is outdated, but has not lost its relevance in the conditions of a special operation. Source: wikipedia.org

You should not assume that domestic artillery strikes exclusively on squares. All equipment, if possible, works in conjunction with drones for correction and reconnaissance, which allows you to quickly respond to threats and avoid unnecessary victims. It is important that the allied forces at this stage are much better provided with shells than the Ukrainians - this allows them to conduct concentrated fire almost around the clock. The flow of ammunition for the equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will gradually dry up - in NATO countries there is no production for Soviet-style calibers, just as there are none in Ukraine itself. The remaining artillery depots are either already in the liberated territory, or partially destroyed. Ukrainian nationalists lack the ability to destroy supply chains deep in the rear of the allied forces. Unlike Russia, which does not seem to use it to its full potential. And the French Caesar, the Italian FH-70 and the American "three axes" M777 appear at the front. This technique cannot be underestimated, but import deliveries will inevitably raise the difficult issue of repair and operation. Even if the guns remain intact, the situation, even with the planned repairs of such a motley company, will not be easy - combat conditions are far from European hothouses. It is enough to look at the lightweight carriage of the airborne M777 to understand how long it will last on front-line roads.

We must pay tribute to the Ukrainian artillerymen - for eight years of shelling they learned to hit accurately on targets. This has been repeatedly recognized by the Russian military. There are several reasons: firstly, accurate intelligence from the Americans, secondly, the widespread use of spotter drones, and thirdly, the AN / TPQ-36 counter-battery systems, of which there are at least 20 units in Ukraine. However, the accuracy of Ukrainian artillery is not widespread on the fronts. In fact, artillery attacks are possible only in areas where reconnaissance and counter-battery combat are weak. Pockets of resistance, albeit high-tech weapons, will always remain, and they become priority targets during an artillery breach of the defense.
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  1. +4
    30 May 2022 04: 15
    The Kyiv propagandist and the main “calmifier” of Ukraine Arestovich openly says that the nationalists in the Donbass are retreating under the blows of long-range artillery and missiles.

    Or evacuated to the next world.
    1. +2
      30 May 2022 16: 35
      You should not assume that domestic artillery strikes exclusively on squares. All equipment, if possible, works in conjunction with drones for correction and reconnaissance, which allows you to quickly respond to threats and avoid unnecessary victims.

      Yes, they beat exclusively by area from closed positions and this is a fact! UAVs are not for correction and reconnaissance, but should be used for target designation, moreover, for target designation directly into the ACS guidance systems! For "MSTA-S" and "Coalition-SV" this could have been implemented a long time ago !!! The non-existent ESU TZ "Constellation-M", supposedly, could do this! Ask the generals! With this non-existent system, all Russian troops on the front line should already be armed in 2020?! Whom to ask?
      Alas, this is not yet possible!
      Firstly, such UAVs only began to appear and they are not part of the artillery crews. This is Orlan-30!
      Secondly, there are no algorithms and no hardware for receiving signals from the UAV directly to the artillery system guidance system!
      Thirdly, outdated precision ammunition is used, with a long and laborious
      application procedure...
      The option of destroying the enemy in real time with precision ammunition is not feasible for artillery and MLRS in the Russian Armed Forces !!!
      "Work, brothers!"
      1. 0
        2 June 2022 00: 41
        From UAVs to guns, data goes a long way. Through KP and NP. Otherwise it is impossible. Battery and division is a complex system. The UAV only feeds it with some data.
      2. 0
        13 June 2022 19: 53
        This algorithm is not secure. Information from the UAV comes to the command post of the division, then it is checked. It is no problem to fill up a point with fire, but what if our battery of a neighboring division is at the point? Who will be responsible? Suppose the neighboring division is firing in the direction of ours at the target, realizing crossfire. What then?
        1. -1
          4 July 2022 10: 08
          Quote: Visher
          This algorithm is not secure. Information from the UAV comes to the command post of the division, then it is checked. It is no problem to fill up a point with fire, but what if our battery of a neighboring division is at the point? Who will be responsible? Suppose the neighboring division is firing in the direction of ours at the target, realizing crossfire. What then?

          But for this, the Americans have real-time control, when friendly units are marked green and enemy units red.
          1. 0
            4 July 2022 18: 33
            This did not prevent them from covering the British 1 time and the Germans 1 time on the territory of the DRA. In Iraq they beat each other regularly.
  2. +4
    30 May 2022 04: 41
    Well, three axes, apparently reached Donetsk, despite the flimsy gun carriage ..
    1. +5
      30 May 2022 09: 47
      And will they get to Kyiv, retreating in battles, on such ridiculous wheels?
  3. +8
    30 May 2022 04: 46
    Firepower is Everything: Special Operation Z Artillery

    Everything "returned to normal". The SVO began to be carried out according to the tactics developed by the LDNR during the 8 years of the war, in which artillery was dominant. It is significantly cheaper than aviation, does not depend on the weather, and there can be a lot of it.
    1. -1
      30 May 2022 13: 17
      Aviation can also be dominant (as is customary in NATO) .... the main thing is how many kg per square meter of positions to pour out at a certain point in time. Aviation is better, but more expensive.
      1. +2
        30 May 2022 13: 55
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Aviation can also be dominant (as is customary in NATO) .... the main thing is how many kg per square meter of positions to pour out at a certain point in time. Aviation is better, but more expensive.

        Only the creation of normal aviation is more expensive, but combat use can be cheaper due to higher efficiency, but this requires both flying radars and guided missiles in commercial quantities, falling asleep with cast iron (which dominates in our country) cannot be effectively fought
        1. +3
          30 May 2022 14: 04
          Here it is necessary to compare a specific task - the defeat (of a platoon OP):
          1. artillery
          2. Artillery with corr shells
          3. Adjusted from a drone
          4. Aviation
          ...etc.
          Then questions arise:
          1. Weather
          2. Air Defense
          3. Aviation maintenance, etc.
          1. -1
            30 May 2022 14: 24
            Quote: Zaurbek
            Here it is necessary to compare a specific task - the defeat (of a platoon OP):
            1. artillery
            2. Artillery with corr shells
            3. Adjusted from a drone
            4. Aviation
            ...etc.
            Then questions arise:
            1. Weather
            2. Air Defense
            3. Aviation maintenance, etc.

            In today's realities of confrontation between a sword (aviation) and a shield (air defense), a well-organized sword still wins ... aviation (unlike artillery) allows you not to let go of the initiative and destroy artillery before it enters a position, due to the greater range of m-777 than ours analogues, respectively, it is very problematic to deal with them with artillery ...
            1. 0
              30 May 2022 14: 40
              There are a lot of "buts" in the form of flying and non-flying weather. And do not confuse the defeat of a pinpoint important target and the grinding of fortified areas. And a lot of "buts" in the form of stages of the conflict of the initial or other stage ..... the presence or not of corr shells.
      2. PPD
        0
        31 May 2022 11: 46
        During the years of the Great Patriotic War, it turned out that it was not possible to smoke out an enemy who had dug in, even with a bombing density of 70 tons per square meter. kilometer. So artillery.
        1. +2
          31 May 2022 15: 43
          Air bombs are always more powerful and more diverse .....
  4. +3
    30 May 2022 04: 55
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine can only fight well behind the backs of civilians, in an open battle, an awakened and angry Russian Mishka will demolish everything in its path. Glory to the Warriors of Russia, thanks guys for your work, victory will be ours!
  5. 0
    30 May 2022 05: 12
    The author correctly noted.
    Our artillery strikes from the heart, but it is not clear who God will send. As can be seen in the mentioned pictures of the area.
    And here the weight of the salvo is really important, out of hundreds of shells, at least one, but it will hit where it needs to.
    But it’s easier for stealers, if you shoot at civilians, you won’t miss in any way, but if at positions, then indeed, they have complete order with target designation and reconnaissance, they have everything for any occasion, from a satellite to a pocket helicopter.
    But judging by the latest reports from the field, we have also made progress in supplying troops, thanks to the volunteers.
    1. +22
      30 May 2022 06: 24
      But judging by the latest reports from the field, we have also made progress in supplying troops, thanks to the volunteers.

      In general, I was on the news on RENTV this Sunday for the first time (I don’t watch TV as often as I would like, maybe this company has been going on for a long time) I saw a report in which, in simple words, ordinary citizens are being drafted into the army; high-tech and necessary consumables (walkie-talkies, night vision devices, UAVs and the like) ... I was just out of touch ... That is, the main beneficiary of the results will be big business and specific oligarchs, and they offer to pay for all this not only with their health and lives, but financially in general to ordinary people ... Yes, in the place of all our powerful people, I would burn with shame after such reports ... And in the place of the government, I would either specifically offer businesses to fork out or resign. Somehow, the people collect money for the treatment of children, then for refugees, then for the restoration of what was destroyed, and now they have lived ... to raise funds for provision, I emphasize, successfully coming army grouping... At the same time, the fleet of our business is comparable in price to the Russian Navy, I am sure that the fleet is not small, but according to the general price tag, the fleet of the business has clearly surpassed the fleet of the Ministry of Defense. And that made it so disgusting...
      1. +10
        30 May 2022 07: 18
        Yes, in the place of all our powerful people, I would burn with shame after such reports ...

        To this we also need to add the hacks of our customs, which are openly talked about on all networks, but not on TV. It is practically impossible to smuggle to the front assembled and purchased by such a "folk method". Instructions, from them, panimash !!! And if possible, then only through expertise or specific people. Which is also an indicator for itself.
        1. +12
          30 May 2022 07: 33
          vzbryka of our customs, which are openly talked about on all networks

          Instructions, from them, panimash !!

          But I do not agree with this. We must not blame the customs, but blame those who write crooked instructions. For a customs officer, failure to comply with such instructions is the most direct and shortest way to the bunk, after all, this is a malfeasance. And you need to blame those who write the laws for such a mess ... But we have athletes, musicians, astronauts, in general, people who do not understand anything at all.
          1. +2
            30 May 2022 07: 44
            Unfortunately, I also agree with this. It turns out complete relaxation. Probably because neither "musicians nor astronauts" 152mm have ever flown in?
            1. +3
              30 May 2022 07: 58
              Probably because neither "musicians nor astronauts" 152mm have ever flown in?

              Everything is simpler and more difficult at the same time. Unfortunately, even if musicians and cosmonauts are cut a little bit into belts for each crooked decision and do it defiantly in front of others, they will not acquire the proper skills. The only thing that will appear are injured musicians and astronauts. Here, traumatizing knowledge cannot be invested.
              1. -2
                30 May 2022 08: 26
                Quote: Alex2048
                they will not acquire the proper skills.

                Curve system and works crookedly. There are much better management systems, but ... they do not bring benefits for domestic consumption. And with the one that is, it doesn’t matter how many people fall in battle - women still give birth.
      2. +2
        30 May 2022 09: 07
        Quote: Alex2048
        The main beneficiary of the results will be big business and specific oligarchs, and they offer to pay for all this not only with their health and lives, but financially in general to ordinary people ...

        It has long been noticed that wars are started by the old and the rich, and the young and the poor fall under the distribution.
      3. 0
        30 May 2022 09: 14
        Do not confuse warm with soft. Firstly, the Ministry of Defense cannot stupidly buy foreign. For such actions, they need permission and a lot of bureaucracy. But volunteers are exempt from this. They remove all intermediaries. Where they business okpzyvaet most of the financial part by the way. And she's huge. And always remember that even in the Second World War, people volunteered very seriously.
        1. +7
          30 May 2022 09: 56
          And always remember that even in the Second World War, people volunteered very seriously.

          I'm not against, but in general for the volunteers. However,
          Where they business okpzyvaet most of the financial part by the way. And she's huge.

          I don’t see in the news a tank company named after Rotenberg, a regiment of attack aircraft named after Akhmetov, a division of destroyers named after friendship between Gazprom and Rusal. That is, something that would not be a direct business for the company. All the same, this is not the same as the gunsmiths of Kalashnikov, Uralvagonzavod say that they helped by sending their direct products. Gazprom also helps by contributing to the budget, but there is other help, and here big business turned out to be on the sidelines.
          1. -3
            30 May 2022 10: 07
            What for? They give money. Volunteers buy everything that is required locally. This is their great benefit. It takes years for MO to turn around. Volunteers, on the other hand, work extremely quickly and accurately. Rotenberg, of course, could give more. But at least their multibillion-dollar taxes are going to work.
            1. +5
              30 May 2022 13: 16
              Quote: carstorm 11
              It takes years for MO to turn around.

              Why do we need such MO then? MO must keep up with the times and quickly adapt to changing conditions. And not unfold for years. No, we won't have that much time. Modern wars are very fleeting and mobile.
              1. -1
                31 May 2022 05: 48
                Because the system is. Because she is inflexible. It has always been and always will be. You can speed up something, of course, but it's still slow. There are thousands and thousands of examples of this at any time, anywhere in the world and in any country. And the institute of volunteers for this reason has become a way out. It is difficult to limit them. They will go where the sovereign's people get stuck. And for this reason, volunteers have become a trend in the world. Like PMCs for example. Withdrawal from the state always makes everything easier. And will be.
                1. -1
                  4 July 2022 10: 19
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  Because the system is. Because she is inflexible. It has always been and always will be. You can speed up something, of course, but it's still slow. There are thousands and thousands of examples of this at any time, anywhere in the world and in any country. And the institute of volunteers for this reason has become a way out. It is difficult to limit them. They will go where the sovereign's people get stuck. And for this reason, volunteers have become a trend in the world. Like PMCs for example. Withdrawal from the state always makes everything easier. And will be.

                  I remember Stalin, before the war, dispersed the old people's commissars and appointed new ones, young and without complexes, who organized production and won the war
          2. +1
            30 May 2022 22: 00
            Quote: Alex2048

            I don't see it on the news
            , regiment of attack aircraft named after Akhmetov,.
            Rinat Leonidovich Akhmetov - Ukrainian oligarch
            fellow
          3. ada
            0
            31 May 2022 02: 01
            Quote: Alex2048
            ... I don’t see in the news a tank company named after Rotenberg, a regiment of attack aircraft named after Akhmetov, a division of destroyers named after friendship between Gazprom and Rusal. ...

            I apologize for getting in, but I can see from the sofa that the opposite is true - that all these companies, divisions and destroyers and so on, just not signed, as in other things, those who are in them, and those who are on the couch and at the bench, and in the field, and the field itself, machine tools, and even sofas - all of them, only it’s somehow inconvenient to talk about it. No, they suddenly begin to guess, they begin to feel who they are, and some kind of disgrace can happen, they will start talking about virtues, I have the right, etc., and it’s not far from the armed struggle for light.
        2. -4
          30 May 2022 12: 25
          For such actions, they need permission and a lot of bureaucracy. But volunteers are exempt from this. They remove all intermediaries.

          We have a war, but we cannot get rid of the bureaucracy and intermediaries. Therefore, let all the volunteers collect, and in general it would be nice if the soldier bought all the equipment for himself and then went to war ...
          Not guys, even in medieval Europe, if chivalry already fought, then they bought weapons for themselves and stood under swords themselves. Instead of shifting both of these responsibilities onto the shoulders of the peasants
          1. -7
            30 May 2022 13: 11
            Therefore, let all the volunteers collect,

            and what did you personally buy to help the army? Well, except for trololo on the Internet? Maybe at least one bulletproof vest or copter?
          2. +1
            30 May 2022 13: 18
            Quote: spektr9
            but we cannot get rid of bureaucracy and intermediaries.

            Or we don't want to.
            Quote: spektr9
            even in medieval Europe, if chivalry already fought, then they bought weapons for themselves and stood under swords themselves. And they did not shift both of these responsibilities onto the shoulders of the peasants

            And the funds for the purchase of weapons were probably taken out of thin air. And the peasants only plowed for themselves.
          3. -1
            31 May 2022 05: 52
            And who can? Who did it and when? You treat volunteering as something popular, but to put it mildly, this is not entirely true. This is a loophole for the state. She just needs to use it. I'm watching two girls. They carry everything by trucks. Do you really give them a day on Sber cards like that?)
      4. -2
        30 May 2022 09: 49
        Quote: Alex2048
        I saw a report in which, in simple words, ordinary citizens are being drafted into the army; they will simply drop as much as they can, so that by volunteers they can buy high-tech and necessary consumables (walkie-talkies, night vision devices, UAVs, and the like) ...

        )))
        In such a situation, I want to ask with a characteristic accent.
        "And what will be your proposals, Comrade Marshal?"
      5. -5
        30 May 2022 13: 19
        I do not know ...

        Personally, I don't see anything particularly "surprising" or "outrageous" here. Firstly, because the term "army" in the context of the Russian Armed Forces of the NMD should also be understood as the armed forces of the Republics of Novorossiya. The growing volume of combat missions they are solving, together with the Russian Armed Forces ...

        It is they who, in order to "move at the same pace" with the Russian group, need to receive all of the above in the first place. And provided with all of the above least of all ...

        Secondly, there are also losses of communications equipment, high-tech equipment, etc. ...

        Well, let's remember that during the Great Patriotic War, the voluntary collection of funds from the population to help the Red Army, incl. and the purchase of weapons and military equipment, was carried out throughout the war. Moreover, the enthusiasm of those who donated funds was quite real. And if there is this positive attitude of the people and the people's support for their army, then why not turn to it? ..

        If the armed forces of the country solve the combat mission of ensuring the national security of the state (and now this is exactly the case ...), then the slogan: "Everything for the front, everything for the Victory!" ALWAYS RELEVANT. Regardless of "how long ago" and in what specific setting, it was proclaimed ...

        There is no "superfluous" support by the people for their army ...
    2. +3
      30 May 2022 08: 43
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      , with target designation and reconnaissance they have complete order

      Loudly said.
      And with logistics and coordination, how do you think they have? Is it also in order?
    3. -2
      30 May 2022 09: 17
      You carefully study the pictures) What do you think is the reason for, for example, plowed fields where the forest is at least a hundred meters away? )
      1. 0
        30 May 2022 09: 52
        The reason is that at first the equipment was there, then drove off into the forest. But the funnels remain.
        1. 0
          30 May 2022 10: 09
          In an open field?) Everything is more banal. Mines.
    4. -3
      30 May 2022 12: 32
      And who should she target? Often the goal is this - the area on which the enemy infantry. Guided projectiles must be guided by someone. A drone with a target designation system will not be pocketable at all.
      1. -4
        30 May 2022 14: 43
        Quote: EvilLion
        the goal is this - the area on which the enemy infantry

        The infantry sits in trenches and dugouts.
        And it's been like 8 years. And the shells are digging the ground 100 meters from those trenches.
    5. -2
      30 May 2022 19: 48
      and if in terms of positions, then indeed, they have complete order with target designation and reconnaissance, they have everything for any occasion, from a satellite to a pocket helicopter.

      No need to talk nonsense. Absolutely the same conditions, not counting the bureaucracy and the stupid execution of outdated instructions .... Two backward armies are fighting, but with different potential and power. And now the Ukrainians are pulling up the potential due to supplies and flexibility, only now their power is running out ....
  6. +2
    30 May 2022 05: 16
    you have only 10 minutes before the start of the raid on your Russian artillery positions.

    It would be nice to hang attack drones over the enemy’s positions ... that the artillery will not cover, the strikers will finish off with bombs from above ... a bunch of shock-reconnaissance drones with howitzers is very effective, as the events in Syria and Ukraine have shown.
    After them, it remains only to photograph the scraps of the destroyed enemy ... cheaply, efficiently and quickly.
    1. 0
      30 May 2022 06: 32
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      It would be nice to hang attack drones over enemy positions

      It is good to.
      That's just in the state of our troops there are none.
      And no one will sell this to volunteers.
    2. 0
      30 May 2022 09: 54
      A drone with howitzers has absolutely nothing to do. It transmits the image to the control point, and from there the data to the NP. And shooting with aerial reconnaissance and aerial correction has been a classic since the 1920s. It is laid down in the statutes, studied in the VVU.
  7. -8
    30 May 2022 05: 45
    The god of war has remained so far, despite all the progress .. The specific efficiency is the highest, whatever one may say. War, as before, becomes a confrontation between economies, personal qualities cannot in any way affect the lethality of a 203mm projectile.
    Woe is bitter, well, why did everyone start this we?
    1. +2
      30 May 2022 06: 19
      Quote: Ilya_Nsk
      Bitter grief, well, why did we start all this?

      We didn't start it...it started the West, starting with the betrayal of Gorbachev, who surrendered all positions to NATO.
      There is no alternative to NATO's armed resistance.
      If nothing is done, we will be destroyed like Yugoslavia.
      1. +4
        30 May 2022 07: 35
        Bitter grief, well, why did we start all this?

        We didn't start it... the West started it

        The main thing is that we will finish it.
    2. +1
      30 May 2022 09: 10
      Quote: Ilya_Nsk
      Bitter grief, well, why did we start all this?

      The questions of who, how, and why began, let the historians of the future decide. And now the question of who, where, and how will finish is much more important.
    3. -3
      30 May 2022 19: 55
      If someone does not know how to do something, this does not mean that it should be so ... You are forever behind the progress and there is no need to voice nonsense in the style of the Starship Troopers movie!
  8. 0
    30 May 2022 05: 54
    The professionalism of Russian gunners commands respect.
    Agree with:
    Nobody openly talks about the presence of the newest Russian "Coalition-SV" in the Ukrainian theater of military operations. However, a lot of vehicles have already been produced (about 50 copies), so we can assume that now is the time to test this high-precision weapon in combat conditions.

    It's time to demonstrate to the enemy (and the world) the power of new types of weapons. The time has come.
    1. -4
      30 May 2022 20: 00
      She can't do anything "Coalition-SV"! The newest system is used in the old way. And in all exercises, it hits the target only with direct fire from the trench. And from closed positions it brings down the squares in the style of the Second World War ... They don’t know how to do anything and they don’t want to do anything ... in the "advanced army" of the "eighth generation"!
      1. +1
        30 May 2022 20: 17
        Quote: Volkof
        She can't do anything "Coalition-SV"!

        I doubt this statement of yours:
        1. -5
          30 May 2022 20: 32
          Promotional video for ...fools. It's not so much about the gun, but about the used and implemented real-time target designation systems, the ability to use "smart" projectiles and use external target designation ... She does not know how to see and hit a target tens of kilometers away with the first shots in real time ... Clearly ? Opportunities are laid, not used!
          Hope so far...
          1. -1
            30 May 2022 20: 53
            Quote: Volkof
            She does not know how to see and hit a target tens of kilometers away with the first shots in real time ... Is that clear? Opportunities are laid, not used!

            What is not clear...
            Some don't like blacks, others don't like Semites...

            1. 0
              1 June 2022 13: 06
              I think the first video is for you...
  9. +2
    30 May 2022 06: 07
    *Pray to the gods of war-gunners!* (V.S. Vysotsky)
  10. 0
    30 May 2022 07: 24
    "Cranky" electronics greatly simplifies training, reduces the number of possible errors, and simplifies the deployment of artillery units in battle formation.
    https://lopatov-45.livejournal.com/8481.html
    1. +1
      30 May 2022 10: 08
      I read it. An ancient example of an amateur level. The cadets themselves put together. Military acceptance will not even drink. Non-combat sample. There are much better ones.
  11. +2
    30 May 2022 07: 30
    Counter-battery radars are a serious "muck" for artillery! Well, what about the vaunted electronic warfare? Electronic warfare equipment on drones? And did anyone think to acquire, for example, loitering ammunition with a passive radar seeker? (By the way, the Americans somehow developed a drone fired from a 155-mm howitzer ... then, however, they refused! Perhaps they decided that this was not relevant after the "victory" over the USSR ... But it was already "long ago"! development of microelectronics, this idea can gain a "second wind"!)
    1. -5
      30 May 2022 07: 52
      Counter-battery radars are a serious "muck" for artillery! Well, what about the vaunted electronic warfare?

      Electronic warfare for anti-counterbattery combat is stupidity. It is much easier to destroy them by radar radiation with X-31P missiles. Counter-battery radars are a piece of equipment and will quickly end with successive destruction. Yes, you don’t even need to spend rockets, it’s enough to detect the radiation and, by triangulation, calculate the location of the radar. And then destroy it by any available method.
      1. +1
        30 May 2022 08: 30
        Quote: Ka-52
        Electronic warfare for anti-counterbattery combat is stupidity. , it is enough to detect the radiation and, by triangulation, calculate the location of the radar. And then destroy it by any available method.

        You contradict yourself, my friend! "Detect the radiation and calculate the location of the radar by triangulation" - this is a "variety" of using electronic warfare equipment! Moreover, I did the "emphasis" on the "physical destruction" of the radar with anti-radar ammunition! But ... X-31P in counter-battery combat? belay It's you, sir, "a little" turned down! It is advisable to use kamikaze drones with radar seeker, which, even after the radar is turned off, can hang in the air, waiting for it to be turned on again! Perhaps the Krasnopol-D variant with a passive radar seeker would also come in handy! And why is a UAV with a radio interference transmitter bad? request The UAV, having detected the inclusion of the radar, having determined the parameters of the radiation, begins to "clog" the radar with interference ... at least masking, at least imitating!
        1. +2
          30 May 2022 08: 45
          Yesterday, the Armed Forces of Ukraine thrashed Donetsk with NATO howitzers...two civilians died, great destruction...the predictions of those who prophesied big problems from these howitzers came true.
          Once again I will express my indignant question...why didn't they destroy bridges, crossings, railway interchanges on the border with Poland...the situation is getting worse.
          1. 0
            30 May 2022 09: 05
            the predictions of those who prophesied big problems from these howitzers came true

            from Avdiivka, where the Ukrainian soldiers are now, to Donetsk in a straight line 14 km. The most sniffy D-20 can hit this distance. That is, when the Armed Forces of Ukraine did it from the artillery of the times of the USSR, then these were not problems. And now, when the M777 howitzers were used, did it suddenly become dangerous and problems appeared? I don't understand the logic?
            1. -2
              30 May 2022 09: 11
              Quote: Ka-52
              now, when the m777 howitzers were used, did it suddenly become dangerous and problems appeared? I don't understand the logic?

              NATO ammunition can be brought in as much as they like for these guns ... the logic of the Vushniks is simple ... to destroy Donetsk to the ground ... and what civilians there only provokes them.
            2. 0
              30 May 2022 16: 24
              Alternatively, the M777 howitzers with individual guidance systems can be dispersed, rather than a battery in one place. And then, as a consequence, the counter-battery fight will be difficult.
        2. +2
          30 May 2022 08: 47
          It is advisable to use kamikaze drones with radar seeker, which, even after turning off the radar, can hang in the air, waiting for it to be turned on again

          remind which countries are armed with similar "kamikaze drones"? In this case, it’s easier to immediately fit the batel cruisers and bomb them from orbit with space death rays.
          Krasnopolya-D

          there is no PAGSN in it. There INS + GLONASS
          And what is wrong with a UAV with a radio interference transmitter

          one that is likely to be useless. Any combat radar will be able to rebuild from its interference.
          1. 0
            30 May 2022 09: 41
            Quote: Ka-52
            remind which countries are armed with similar "kamikaze drones"?

            In the mid-80s, Israel Aircraft Industries developed the Harpy drone, which later became serial. Harpy in the late 80s developed a cruising speed of 32 km / h with 185 kg of explosives on board and flew at a distance of up to 500 kilometers. The homing head made it possible to automatically search for and destroy sources of radar radiation.The Azerbaijani army is armed with the IAI Harop mentioned above, as well as the latest IAI Mini Harpy. The latest model is sharpened for the destruction of anti-aircraft missile systems. Loitering ammunition is capable of detecting radiation from an all-altitude detector or a radar for illumination and guidance. Further, the kamikaze works as an anti-radar missile, delivering 8 kg of explosives to the enemy
            Quote: Ka-52
            Krasnopolya-D

            there is no PAGSN in it. There INS + GLONASS

            I didn’t even assure that the PRLGSN was “there”! No. I said that you can put! And yet ... I recently read an article with tabular calculations ... So the article said that "Krasnopol-D" is still equipped with PALGSN!
            Quote: Ka-52
            And what is wrong with a UAV with a radio interference transmitter

            Any combat radar will be able to rebuild from its interference.

            If he has time! So, you think that while the radar is rebuilt from interference, the artillery shell will "smoke on the sidelines"? By the way, if my memory serves me, in order to accurately determine the coordinates of an artillery battery, you need to make at least 3 notches of the projectile ...
            1. -4
              30 May 2022 10: 10
              IAI Harop

              oh yes, I forgot that it has its own radar.
              I said that you can put! And yet ... I recently read an article with tabular calculations.

              there is not much intelligence needed. Helical broadband antennas are now even 1st year students of the physics department on their knees.
              If he has time! So, you think that while the radar will be rebuilt from interference, the artillery shell will "smoke on the sidelines"

              what does the artillery shell have to do with it? it seemed to be about a variant of a UAV with a jammer. request I kind of understood your idea like this: in order to reduce the effectiveness of the counter-battery radar, you propose using the UAV to create a veil of interference. Only I already answered - the transmitter power is not enough. And in order to have enough, you will need an UAV with a payload capacity of under 200 kg. And this is already the middle class of UAVs. Theoretically possible, but there is a lot of trouble.
    2. +2
      30 May 2022 15: 59
      Dear Vladimir, everything is much more complicated and depends on the interaction of units on the battlefield, on the skills and experience of calculating radar reconnaissance stations. Stations detect a flying projectile and, depending on the tasks, give out to the position the place of the alleged gap (when adjusting fire) or the location of the firing gun (during counter-battery combat). The projectile has not yet reached the target, and this data can already be transmitted to the appropriate forces and means of destruction. At the same time, the stations themselves are also targets. Accordingly, they can be detected and hit in different ways. Therefore, after a short-term operation, the station should also "bring down" while it is intact. I won’t say how to influence the electronic warfare means on the station, I haven’t come across it. There are from ancient times (since WWI) sound-measuring reconnaissance complexes. They work passively, but during massive shooting they can "go blind" or rather "deaf", at least it was like that before. In general, the main task is to use the received intelligence in time, since they lose their relevance within minutes, i.e. there should be clear communication between departments. The stations themselves are simply useless without it. Enemies used the concept of reconnaissance-strike complexes, from the name, in principle, it is clear what it is.
      1. -3
        30 May 2022 17: 01
        Quote: Vladimir 290
        I won’t say how to influence the electronic warfare means on the station, I haven’t come across it.

        I believe that electronic warfare equipment installed on drones can be used against radars in two ways! Firstly, an electronic warfare drone, having detected radar radiation at the target coordinates (or near ...), allows us to conclude that there is a counter-battery radar in the area "interesting" for artillerymen! (Already useful info!) Further, the coordinates of the radar are determined, along which ... for example, the same artillery strike! It is also possible that the UAV, having detected the operation of the radar, turns on the radio interference transmitter ... 1. with masking radio interference, the radar receiving path is clogged with "white noise" at the frequencies of the radar receiver ... The device does not see radar marks of artillery shells ... 2. With imitation radio interference, the radar receiver sees a lot of false marks, among which the "useful" signal is lost! False marks "report" the radar and false coordinates ... Protecting electronic warfare equipment, I myself prefer active means of combating radars; that is, the "physical destruction" of radars! And for this, UAVs (kamikaze drones) with a passive radar seeker, with a radio detector + optical seeker, an artillery shell of the Krasnopol-D type, but with a PRLGSN are quite suitable! More than once it was reported about the development of a drone in caliber 300 mm for the Smerch MLRS ... Such a drone could both correct the fire of the MLRS and destroy counter-battery radars!
    3. -2
      30 May 2022 20: 19
      You can’t even imagine what was developed and killed in Russia ... You don’t have enough imagination ... There were RZSO shells, some with UAVs, and others with precise guidance ... There were new US for accurate hitting a target in real time .. .Only the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces does not have the concept of modern combat at all ... He can only use long-range ground, air and sea-based missiles and ... that's it !!! And here you are confused with little people and small UAVs and cannons under your feet ... Fucking strategists, so we are fighting, like in the Second World War !!!
  12. +1
    30 May 2022 07: 32
    Artillery god of war. Show the guys professionalism and firepower so that those who supply long-range artillery to the Armed Forces of Ukraine think about it, is it worth it?
  13. 0
    30 May 2022 07: 57
    The Terminator has successfully entered into a rage ... at the point of attack we are grinding the ukrovermacht .... we must already connect the Coalition and run it in battle ... I hope there ... they understand that there is no better moment to be found.
  14. -3
    30 May 2022 08: 19
    On platforms where they discuss the war in Ukraine, and pro-Russian ones, they write, with the appearance of American howitzers and enemy battery detection stations in the Armed Forces, the situation has changed dramatically. Ours will not fire once again, they are afraid of counter-battery fire. American M777s are longer ranged and much lighter and more mobile than ours. The latter is even more important. A couple of volleys and look for them in a completely different place. The article appears to be out of date by the time it was published.
    1. +1
      30 May 2022 09: 39
      American M777 are more long-range, and much lighter

      APU transports howitzers by helicopters? What a news! Where and when was this noticed?
      1. -1
        30 May 2022 12: 25
        No, they don't. One of the features of the M777 is the high speed of deployment and leaving the position.
        1. -2
          30 May 2022 12: 35
          I also read that they can be towed by armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles, and ours only with special equipment. Maybe not exactly, I can not vouch for the source. But the difference in weight by almost 3 times is guaranteed to allow them to be transported faster on less prepared roads.
          1. 0
            6 June 2022 10: 17
            D-30 - 2.7 tons, Msta-B 7 tons, Pat-B 4.7 tons, 777 4.5 tons, where is the 3-fold difference?
        2. 0
          6 June 2022 10: 14
          With a more complex design and hastily trained calculation, it deploys faster ??
    2. 0
      30 May 2022 12: 40
      Quote: RIV_6
      Ours will not fire once again, they are afraid of counter-battery fire. American M777s are longer ranged, and much lighter and more mobile,

      The Americans supplied corrective shells to 777. Where can I read this, except for your words?
    3. +2
      30 May 2022 16: 02
      Why did you decide that they are more long-range and mobile?
      1. +1
        6 June 2022 10: 18
        But what about them, they are Amer's!?! laughing
        1. 0
          6 June 2022 13: 05
          well then I should also agree with this killer argument
  15. +5
    30 May 2022 10: 43
    )))
    The author is somewhat misleading the reader.
    If you have engaged in a firefight with the Russians, then you have only 10 minutes before the start of the raid on your Russian artillery positions

    That is, the M109 can arrive, shoot the entire ammunition load of 39 shells and leave. It is quite possible to live - in the GSVG, it seems, it was believed that not only the self-propelled guns, the towed artillery would not have 10 minutes, they had to turn off in 3. They are not dealing with sheep lovers, after all.

    The Swedish Archer, mentioned in the context of Ukraine, shoots the entire automatic loader of 3 shells in 21 minutes and leaves.
    Yes, active counter-battery work is a bit different from the realities that the former brothers got used to over the 8 years of their "anti-terrorist operation", well, the conversation went serious.
    Ukraine, we recall, has already lost more than one and a half thousand of its artillery systems. Neither the United States nor any other NATO country has even the approximate amount of artillery that Russia can match. There are more than 152 1-mm Giacint-B guns alone, and the number of D-30 howitzers is approaching 5. Europeans and Americans will be able to provide Ukraine with at least approximate parity only by completely clearing out their arsenals. And this means that the potential for the supply of Western weapons will eventually dry up.

    )))
    It's a shame, probably, that Ukraine had to lose more than one and a half thousand of its artillery systems - there were about a thousand of them. Or did the author count the mortars, according to the Soviet tradition?

    And the author greatly underestimates the possibilities of the West. Strong, but not the strongest, Israel or Turkey alone can completely replace the Ukrainian towed artillery with 155mm - they themselves have actually abandoned the towed artillery. The US can do this three times out of stock. South Korea 4 times. As for the self-propelled guns, then the M109 alone and only the 5 largest operators have about 5 thousand. About 700 Msta-S, about 4000 Acacias were produced, of which about three thousand are in the Russian Federation. And this is taking into account the fact that the M109 is junk by Western standards, which is not a pity - the modern standard for self-propelled guns is the Korean K9, which, taking into account various options, has been made under 2 thousand.
    1. -1
      30 May 2022 11: 17
      I agree that the unhindered supply of Western weapons will allow the Armed Forces of Ukraine to basically abandon Soviet models, and quite quickly (by the end of the year, I guess). Of course, there will be a "zoo" and there will be problems, but given the situation, it is not critical, and the issue of ammunition will be resolved in an understandable way.
      1. 0
        30 May 2022 12: 09
        If there is a solution (now the aggressive NATO bloc has gone, so to speak, half a bump), then all Ukrainian materiel can be replaced in a month. Restrictions only on the speed of preparation l / s.
        1. -2
          30 May 2022 14: 45
          Therefore, I think the replacement will be gradual. In addition to the supplies themselves, training centers and repair and service facilities are being organized. Demilitarization in full swing, in short...
          It is sad to watch all this: it became obvious that the Russian ground forces are just a reduced and degraded copy of the Soviet army of the late 80s with fragmentary inserts of relatively modern weapons.
          1. +1
            30 May 2022 14: 56
            Quote: Ryazanets87
            it became obvious that the Russian ground forces are simply a reduced and degraded copy of the Soviet army of the late 80s with fragmentary inserts of relatively modern weapons.

            Uh
            Here, it seems, is the site of the militarists. Chechnya, Georgia, Syria did not cause vague suspicions?
            1. -2
              30 May 2022 15: 09
              The Georgian war was still 14 years ago, a period sufficient for significant changes that were announced and allegedly actively carried out. Syria raised questions, but it is still a specific theater, an enemy, and the Russian army took part in it with rather limited forces.
              The summer of 2014 inspired some optimism, but, unfortunately, in vain. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have made obvious progress, but our army ...
    2. +1
      30 May 2022 16: 08
      That's right, but for all these systems, the most important problem of ammunition and + maintenance and repair is added. It is not enough to simply place the guns - they still need to be provided.
      1. +2
        30 May 2022 18: 35
        Yes, sure. However, I can’t speak for the former brothers, but the former partners have always been famous for logistics.
    3. -1
      30 May 2022 17: 49
      Only an amendment: the non-brothers have been adapting to the counter-battery fight for several years, this is not news to them. sad
      1. 0
        30 May 2022 18: 34
        Yes, but the scale is somewhat different now. During "these 8 years" not always, but often there was an opportunity to comfortably decompose, dig in and shoot like that for half a year from one position.
  16. +1
    30 May 2022 11: 29
    As always, devastating puppy Fedorov delight, those who fought and are fighting write otherwise - there is power, but not enough mind!
    From Vitaly "Afrika"

    This is certainly great, but correct me if I became blind in my old age - it flew in already strongly after the group finished the crossing, so during the filming with a 99% probability not a single animal was harmed. I'd be happy to be wrong, of course, but...

    And all why? Because in the Russian grouping, between the detection of a target and the decision to open fire, information passes 4 (FOUR, Karl!) links of combat control. Of course, by the time the desired decision is made, the enemy is usually already gone.

    Please note that for "musicians", where the chain is one or two links, such fails are an order of magnitude less common. Similarly, in those parts of the LDNR, where local activists were able to push the degenerates sent from the Russian Federation as "advisers" from the levers of control.

    Readers write in a personal message that I am a civilian shtafirka and do not understand anything about the proper organization of the work of headquarters, artillery in particular - "how is this one link ?!".

    Okay, of course, I don’t understand anything at all (by the way, we read a little book, don’t forget), so I’ll throw it on the fan.

    How is it organized in a normal team:

    The positions of the nachart and the commander of the artillery division are combined. A large and good nachart drone roams around the enemy’s near rear, looking for fat and beautiful targets there (for the craving of gunners for fat and beautiful targets is ineradicable, and nothing can be done about it). Meanwhile, spotters seconded from the division operate in the infantry combat formations, who themselves make decisions and send data directly to the commander of the battery that will be most effective in this case. (but inferior in artillery) to the enemy, while suffering less losses than this enemy.

    This is a general scheme, and a special case - a platoon operating in some separation from the main forces was clamped down by superior enemy forces, there is no spotter in the platoon, weather conditions do not allow sending a drone (and there is no time). Nachart communicates directly with the platoon commander, quickly reminding him of the briefing that took place a month ago ("You are correcting from the target, understand? From the target, and not from yourself. Do you remember where the north is? No, it is not where you are looking! Determine by the compass, ! Okay, well done. I'll throw a sighting, look"). It is clear that miracles of efficiency cannot be achieved in this way, but the attacking impulse of the enemy is shot down, and after shooting a little for decency, he retreats. **

    It is clear that while in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation comrades like Kaplii and other Stepanishchevs are in command positions, and not as privates in penal battalions, an improvement in the situation cannot be expected. ***

    *Yes, this requires not only well-trained, but also smart spotters with a certain outlook. Well, cook them, and do not show off.
    ** Yes, this requires such an organizational miracle as a two-hour lesson once a quarter with all the platoon commanders (and preferably with chests of drawers) on the basics of artillery correction. Half an hour of theory, an hour and a half of practice.
    *** Without naming names - the 20th Army of the RF Armed Forces and the 100th Brigade of the DPR also, to put it mildly, suffer from mediocre command. They are not alone, of course, but from there the flow of hairy reviews is as dense as possible.
    1. 0
      6 June 2022 10: 29
      Nachart explains to the platoon commander where is the north? Hollywood reviewed?
  17. -1
    30 May 2022 12: 17
    If everything is clear with large-caliber artillery, although here there are questions about the lack of cluster munitions for it in the DPR and LPR.
    The situation is worse with small-caliber artillery and mortars.
    More than once I had to read that enemy armored vehicles are leaving under fire and they do not have time to hit them with artillery fire, and this is where small-caliber artillery, automatic guns and mortars should help.
    The accuracy and rate of fire of the 2B9 "Vasilek" automatic mortar should be enough to hit such a target as a single-standing tank or armored vehicle with mounted fire from cumulative mines. The mobility of the mortar must be increased, either to return to its installation on the MTLB chassis, or to develop some kind of a single platform like a chassis for the Phlox gun.
    The 82-mm "Vasilek" is not used now, and the LShO-57 and 40-mm AGS "Balkan" designed to close the gap that has formed have not appeared in the troops.
    It seems logical to increase the mobility of both Vasilka and LSHO-57 by developing either a 4-wheeled trailer like the S-60 anti-aircraft gun, or by installing it on the Ural chassis. Installation under LShO-57 can be done with two barrels and even with tape feed.
    The enemy, on the other hand, is well equipped and has a lot of armored vehicles at his disposal, the defeat of which with mounted fire has become easier to carry out with the advent of reconnaissance drones.
    Even the anti-aircraft 57-mm S-60 can be adapted for mounted firing at enemy armored vehicles if there is a cumulative ammunition for it.
    1. -1
      6 June 2022 10: 31
      How many hit Kuma at 57 mm? Who needs it?
  18. +3
    30 May 2022 12: 19
    This is one of the elements that I have never appreciated in NATO military doctrine, the underestimation of artillery and the idea that it can be replaced by aircraft. This war once again demonstrates the importance of the god of war.
    1. +1
      30 May 2022 12: 45
      This is one of the elements that I have never appreciated in NATO military doctrine, the underestimation of artillery and the idea that it can be replaced by aircraft.

      On what basis are such conclusions made?
      For example, in Iraq-2003, the Americans used their M109 self-propelled guns very effectively.
      The current situation in Ukraine only shows that the Russian Aerospace Forces turned out to be unable to suppress the enemy’s air defenses and cannot deliver strikes to the entire depth of its territory. Therefore, instead of "cheap" bombs, "expensive" cruise missiles have to be spent. Aerospace forces cannot isolate the battlefield by destroying transport hubs, airfields, ammunition depots and fuel and lubricants, and enemy concentration sites. Therefore, artillery has to grind the enemy on the front line. And they pick up and drop...
      Bravura reports on the use of the Su-25 do not delight me: in fact, I fly low, and in order not to get hit by the Stingers, I mainly use NURSs from the nose up, i.e. front-line aviation is used as a "flying MLRS". Those. let NURSs through the squares, "somewhere there"
    2. +2
      30 May 2022 13: 09
      Quote: Decimalegio
      elements that I never appreciated in NATO military doctrine, the underestimation of artillery

      And why did you get the idea that an army that has 1000 155mm self-propelled guns and another 1000 of the same towed guns, which actively uses even 105mm howitzers, which is now a rarity, underestimates artillery?
      By the way, who is the world leader in artillery now? Excalibur, 155/52, is that all?
  19. +2
    30 May 2022 13: 37
    ... everything ingenious is simple - "Artillery is the god of war" ... all "hi-techs" are good, but the projectile is better .... even in science fiction films, all these robots are defeated by a man with a stick ... she is a cannon in XXI century cannon...
    1. -2
      30 May 2022 15: 59
      A corrected projectile is better than the shells and artillery barrels spent on the same target (the barrels, all of a sudden, have a resource)
      1. 0
        31 May 2022 11: 07
        Mortar barrels have "almost no resource", and ammunition, those that are not corrected, can be cluster. Also, tracking small-caliber artillery explosions from drones has become easier, and small-caliber automatic artillery can now be used for canopy firing, and with sufficient accuracy. A couple of dozen shots from an 82-mm "Vasilka" or LShO-57 becomes comparable to a 152-mm caliber cluster munition.
        ps minus is not mine.
      2. 0
        6 June 2022 10: 33
        Both of these are needed. And it is.
  20. 0
    30 May 2022 14: 07
    I agree with you on the numbers. Unfortunately, NATO's military experience in recent years is based too heavily on insurgency wars. Where the artillery, it seems to me, did not sing too much.
  21. +1
    30 May 2022 19: 11
    I’ll correct the author a little - there is no Vienna, there is Khosta and Acacia.
  22. +1
    31 May 2022 14: 09
    It follows from the article that the old Soviet equipment from Russia is opposed to the latest Western models of artillery, counter-battery systems and UAVs. Quantity is on our side, quality is on the ukrov side.
  23. 0
    31 May 2022 15: 39
    The flow of ammunition for the equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will gradually dry up - in NATO countries there is no production for Soviet-style calibers, just as there are none in Ukraine itself.


    This is not so, Bulgaria can produce all types of Soviet shells, including 152 mm for howitzers and 122 mm rockets for Grads, MANPADS and shots for grenade launchers.

    VAZ machine-building plant.
    1. 0
      6 June 2022 10: 35
      The Czechs can too.
  24. 0
    9 June 2022 20: 51
    Well, duck, it was necessary to wait another five years, since 2014 they have not been in a particular hurry ...
  25. 0
    8 July 2022 02: 57
    Of the entire Ukrainian Maginot Line, in the frames there are only improvised dugouts and trenches, and under the armor covers, they probably mean residential buildings? Che laugh, there are no Maginot-Mannerheim lines there. Don't be ridiculous.
  26. 0
    1 August 2022 08: 21
    Quote: PPD
    During the years of the Great Patriotic War, it turned out that it was not possible to smoke out an enemy who had dug in, even with a bombing density of 70 tons per square meter. kilometer. So artillery.


    The author - in some units, up to 40-50% of the personnel were knocked out precisely by artillery strikes.

    In the Second World War it was up to 60%.

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