Another little help. Howitzers FH70 for Ukraine

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Ukrainian howitzer FH70 in transport position. Can be towed or self-driven

The Ukrainian army received a number of 155mm FH70 towed / self-propelled guns from a foreign partner. Foreign-made howitzers will have to partially make up for losses and increase the capabilities of artillery units. However, the potential of such weapons in the current conflict is very limited, and the Ukrainian side cannot count on outstanding results.

Help with tools


Since the beginning of May, foreign states have been transferring large-caliber artillery systems to the Ukrainian army. More than a hundred M155 777mm howitzers have already been transferred, and now the start of deliveries of other types of products is being announced. Italy is believed to have shipped a number of FH70 self-propelled howitzers. These guns have already hit the Ukrainian ranges and may soon appear in the combat zone.



On May 13, the Italian edition of la Repubblica spoke about the preparation of the next package of military-technical assistance for transfer to Ukraine. It was planned to include weapons and equipment of various types, incl. 155 mm FH70 howitzers. The number of guns to be transferred was not specified. A little later, other publications reported that the country's leadership plans to approve such an assistance package in the very near future.


In preparation

Literally a couple of days later, on May 15, the Rybar telegram channel wrote that Ukrainian artillerymen were already mastering foreign materiel. FH70 howitzer crew training was carried out in Estonia on the basis of the 1st Infantry Brigade of the Ground Forces. The Estonian army is one of the operators of such guns and therefore can help with their development.

On May 26, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense published several photos showing an FH70 howitzer with a Ukrainian crew in position. The processes of deployment/collapse, loading and firing are shown. As usual, the shooting was carried out "in that direction"; the hit target is not shown. From which country and in what quantity the guns arrived is unknown. It can be assumed that the shown howitzer was included in the previously announced Italian aid package.

From the published materials, it may follow that the FH70 products have already arrived on Ukrainian territory and may soon go to the combat zone. At the same time, the prospects for such assistance are quite understandable and even obvious - like other foreign weapons, self-propelled howitzers will not have any impact on current events.


in position

International development


The FH70 (Feldhaubitze 1970) or FH155-1 field howitzer is not new. Its development began in 1968 in accordance with the British-German agreement. It is curious that it was the first in the European stories international project to develop a field gun. Under the terms of the contract, the British company Vickers carried out the overall coordination of work; she was also engaged in carriage. The artillery unit, sights and some ammunition were created at Rheinmetall. In 1970, Italy joined the project through Oto Melara.

The first experimental howitzers were made already in 1971-72. The first half of the decade was spent on refinement and refinement, and in 1976 the gun coped with all the tests. Soon mass production was launched, the results of which appeared and hit the troops in 1978. The release of guns, as well as design, was carried out within the framework of tripartite cooperation.

The first customers of the new howitzer were the developing countries. In 1978-82. Germany purchased 216 FH70s, Italy made 164 units, and the UK assembled only 71 units. Shortly thereafter, production began for export to various countries. In addition, Japan acquired a license for self-manufacturing of 480 products.


The British Army operated its FH70s (local designations L121 and L122) until the late nineties, after which it completely switched to self-propelled howitzer artillery. In 2000-2002 the Bundeswehr did the same. Italy has not yet abandoned howitzers, but has reduced their number in combat units. The released guns were decommissioned and sent for storage or sold abroad.

Currently, the FH70 is in service with eight countries in Europe and Asia. In particular, the army of Italy retains approx. 90 "active" guns and has approx. 70 units in storage. It is likely that it was the Italian guns from storage that were recently included in the aid package for Ukraine.

Technical features


The FH70 is a towed/self-propelled howitzer that complies with the 1963 NATO artillery standard. The gun is designed for direct fire or overhead trajectories and is capable of hitting manpower, equipment and fortifications. The work of the howitzer is provided by a crew of eight people. Length in the stowed position - 9,8 m, weight - up to 9,6 tons.


Projectile feed

The howitzer was built on the basis of a 155-mm rifled barrel 39 klb long. The barrel is equipped with a two-chamber muzzle brake. A semi-automatic shutter with a vertical wedge is used, which goes up when unlocked. The breech houses the details of the trigger mechanism; in the wedge there is a magazine for 12 capsules for firing a shot.

Uses 155 mm NATO standard split-loader rounds with variable charge. There is a mechanism for sending with a hydraulic drive. With its help, the rate of fire in one salvo is achieved up to 3 rds. in 15 sec. or 4-6 rds / min. during long shooting.

When using standard high-explosive fragmentation shells, the 39-caliber barrel allows you to fire at a distance of up to 22-24 km. Active-reactive ammunition is sent to 28-30 km.


Shot

The barrel is fixed on hydropneumatic recoil devices. The design of the upper machine carriage provides horizontal aiming within 56 ° to the right and left of the central position. Vertical aiming - from -5 ° to + 70 °. Provides for the installation of telescopic and panoramic sights.

The carriage is built on the basis of a central unit, on which a jack, two sliding beds and a sprung lifting wheel drive are fixed. On the beds there are two additional wheels with a control system. The carriage is equipped with hydraulic drives that simplify deployment. The pressure in the system is created by an auxiliary power unit located on the carriage.

The hydraulic system, based on a low-powered Volkswagen engine, also allows the howitzer to travel short distances. In this case, the engine power is transferred hydraulically to the main wheels. Small wheels on the beds are used for steering. However, the main method of transportation is towing behind a tractor.

Another little help. Howitzers FH70 for Ukraine

Unrealized potential


From a technical point of view, the FH70 howitzer is a fairly successful weapon. According to the main characteristics, it is at least not inferior to other samples of its time or some newer products. The gun can use the entire range of modern NATO 155-mm ammunition and is therefore capable of solving a wide range of tasks. In particular, it is possible to use long-range active-rocket projectiles.

The FH70 is also quite simple in terms of operation, provided that the gunners are well trained. The work of the calculation is facilitated by the hydraulic drives of the carriage and the ramming mechanism. Known advantages are the ability to move between positions without a tractor.

However, it should be expected that the Ukrainian army will not be able to realize the advantages of its new weapon, and will also face certain problems. First of all, there is the problem of personnel training. FH70 complies with NATO standards, and retraining calculations may be associated with known difficulties. The same applies to the technical aspects of operation, incl. using the self-driving function.


A big problem should be the small number of transferred guns. Without harm to its own army, Italy can provide only 70 howitzers, which are enough for only a few divisions. This will not be enough to fully re-equip ground artillery and make up for past losses.

At the same time, it is obvious that Ukrainian guns of any type are at great risk. When advancing to a position, during firing or withdrawal, they can be detected and destroyed. The Russian army and militia of Donbass have all the necessary means for this and have repeatedly demonstrated them in action. However, most likely, not all guns will be broken, and some have a chance to become a trophy.

Common Problems


Thus, the familiar story is repeated again. The Ukrainian army is being sent help in the form of serious weapons, but in fact they are not given the opportunity to realize its full potential. There are too few foreign FH70 howitzers, their crews did not have time to gain the necessary experience, and the enemy has all the means to destroy them or take them as trophies.

All this has been repeatedly observed in recent weeks. Foreign military-technical assistance to Ukraine covers various areas and areas, but almost always faces the same problems in practice. It seems that foreign partners are satisfied with this, and they are not going to change the current situation.
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  1. +60
    27 May 2022 03: 55
    It's a pity the cons to the articles were canceled.
    Quote from publication:
    At the same time, the prospects for such assistance are quite understandable and even obvious - like other foreign weapons, self-propelled howitzers will not have any impact on current events.

    Author, aren't you tired of writing such nonsense in each of your articles on weapons supplied by Western countries to Ukraine? Even if one of our soldiers or civilians suffers from shells fired from these howitzers, this must be reckoned with
    1. +39
      27 May 2022 04: 16
      Yes, hat-taking is reborn again. We were fed up with them when they told us from everywhere articles about the helplessness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and then it turned out that they underestimated! Even already Shamanov confirmed! Now we need to take any help from the West with all seriousness, as if not 70 guns were given, but 700, then the result will be.
      1. +14
        27 May 2022 04: 36
        The gun can use the entire range of modern 155-mm NATO ammunition
        Like the 777 howitzer! And this is unification am
        1. +27
          27 May 2022 06: 03
          . Another little help

          Some authors have a strange attitude - they are not frightened or outraged by the very fact of the delivery of heavy weapons to Ukraine by the West ... it amuses them!
          1. +12
            27 May 2022 06: 23
            Quote: Stas157
            Strange attitude of some authors

            Of course, it’s not worth escalating, but complacency is also not good.
            And the fact that the author forgot about long-range guided projectiles like "Excalibur" is a minus for the author!
            1. +2
              27 May 2022 07: 25
              The author can only be partially justified by the fact that he does not risk praising the enemy's weapons. But, emotions at such a time are not the best adviser.
              1. +2
                28 May 2022 20: 57
                A howitzer firing at 25 km with 155 caliber, by definition, cannot be "safe". Especially if it can fire 3 projectiles in 15 seconds.
                And calculation training can be fast, and you can recruit many people into training - this is not an airplane for you.
                1. +1
                  29 May 2022 22: 35
                  There are already footage of the FH70 batteries being covered with the detonation of the BC at a decent distance from arrival
                  A gun with a bunch of delicate body kit does not have any shields, and these super-warriors trained according to NATO standards do not dig them in and BC either
                  Keep it up, the gifts will run out faster
                  1. 0
                    2 June 2022 07: 38
                    Unfortunately, they change positions very quickly after firing.
            2. -8
              27 May 2022 09: 45
              And what, they gave them to Slavaurka?
          2. -1
            27 May 2022 10: 20
            Well, not at the forefront.
          3. +1
            29 May 2022 21: 21
            Quote: Stas157
            . Another little help

            Some authors have a strange attitude - they are not frightened or outraged by the very fact of the delivery of heavy weapons to Ukraine by the West ... it amuses them!

            Well, the author is not on the territory of Ukraine, in order to catch a shell, go fragments from it from these guns! He is at home, in peace and quiet, in warmth and comfort, and nothing whistles or flies over his head! Why is he worried about the supply of weapons to the enemy?
          4. +1
            31 May 2022 12: 11
            And you go to the Telegram channel VO. There are 90% of people like the author of enthusiastic hat throwers. People don't learn anything.
      2. +5
        27 May 2022 09: 13
        Now we need to take any help from the West seriously

        The main thing is NOT TO FORGET all the "helpers".
        Even if they only provided a training ground for study, or a donkey for transportation, or money to buy a cartridge.
        On a pencil.
      3. +1
        27 May 2022 09: 39
        In general, it’s not about guns at all, but about howitzers, several other art systems.
        Although in general, the message is clear.
    2. +7
      27 May 2022 11: 11
      hi
      It seems to me that now it is impossible to write differently.
      So the author gave the news, and a comment about the uselessness - "polites" is observed, everyone is happy.
      It's good that there is news!
    3. -3
      27 May 2022 11: 55
      Even if one of our soldiers or civilians suffers from shells fired from these howitzers, this must be reckoned with

      you are confusing your usual couch opinion about damage with the possibility of separate weapons to provide influence on the overall strategic position in the war. From the first point of view you are right, from the second - the author. But the second factor is much more important
      1. +6
        27 May 2022 14: 44
        You have strange logic. You add to these howitzers more American, more German, French, Spanish, English, Dutch, and then an unlimited supply of shells for them with higher characteristics than Russian ones, and then judge whether this help will affect or not. The fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine hold out for 3 months and destroyed over 500 of our tanks is the exclusive merit of Western military assistance.
        1. 0
          27 May 2022 21: 36
          Higher characteristics of projectiles? At the west? Ahem :)
        2. 0
          28 May 2022 05: 45
          as well as Lithuanian, Estonian and Luxembourg ones and a doubly limitless supply of super-projectiles (homing and megaton power). And they destroyed not 500, but 5 tanks and 000 armored vehicles and 20 aircraft and helicopters.
          But seriously, global supplies from the West will not affect the operation if they do not start supplying their own soldiers as a set.
        3. 0
          30 May 2022 07: 07
          You have strange logic. You add to these howitzers more American, more German, French, Spanish, English, Dutch, and then an unlimited supply of shells for them with higher characteristics than Russian ones, and then judge whether this help will affect or not.

          don't talk nonsense. Do you and your 2+2 minusers know how to add? You know that before the war, the Ukrainians were armed with 944 units. cannon artillery (excluding RZSO and mortars)! And you are now rubbing to me that a hundred howitzers supplied by the Europeans brought something significant there? The front now has a length of more than 900 km. What is the density of foreign artillery with such a front? One gun per 100 km? What place do you think?
          1. 0
            30 May 2022 08: 28
            Only the Americans delivered a hundred (howitzer 777). And the deliveries will continue. And there will be more deliveries from other NATO countries. In addition, the Ukrainians began to run out of shells for Soviet systems. And NATO shells are unlimited. Further, NATO artillery is superior in range and accuracy, so that it can win the counter-battery fight. All this will create huge problems for our guys.
            1. 0
              30 May 2022 08: 53
              in order to influence (as you write here in the style of "everything is lost"), the supply of imported weapons should not be 100 pieces in 3 months, but 300 pieces per month. Only then can Ukraine at least compensate for the loss in artillery as a result of combat losses and technical breakdowns. In the meantime, it doesn’t make sense to yell and tear your hair out on your head.
      2. -3
        27 May 2022 17: 24
        But the second factor is much more important

        How to know, how to know. If the Ukrainians use these howitzers to fire at border villages in the Russian Federation, the Russian people in the Bryansk, Belgorod, Kursk and Voronezh regions may rebel. Do you know what embarrassment is?
        1. +1
          30 May 2022 07: 19
          the Russian people in the Bryansk, Belgorod, Kursk and Voronezh regions may rebel. Do you know what embarrassment is?

          nonsense. At all times, in such cases, it was just the consolidation of the population in the face of the enemy.
          1. +1
            30 May 2022 13: 49
            nonsense. At all times, in such cases, it was just the consolidation of the population in the face of the enemy.

            There is no need to try on the people and power (power in the first place!) of the Second World War for our time. Consolidation occurs when "the people and the party are united." Is that clearer?
            1. -1
              30 May 2022 13: 57
              But what, before the war, without exception, were all lovers of communist power? Why then such a large number of collaborators? And then who are those 5,8 million repressed in the 10 pre-war years? Is it really true that only loyal Communist-Leninists were sent to plow the ground on the White Sea Canal and in Vorkuta?
              1. +3
                30 May 2022 14: 15
                That's just sending to the camps now frank traitors and thieves on a national scale and would bring the government closer to the people. 95% of the population expect justice and decisive action from the authorities. And if this is done, the people will really realize that they and the government are one
                1. -1
                  31 May 2022 06: 15
                  That's just sending outright traitors and thieves to the camps now

                  cool. Somehow I came across an article about how many professors, academicians and candidates of science went to the wall or rotted in the camps for the sake of your "proximity of the people." Do you know how many commanders of the Red Army, order bearers and heroes of the civil war, the communists destroyed before the war? And when you shout "we were the first to fly into space," do you think about the fact that Korolev only fortunately did not give an oak tree in the Maldyak camp?
    4. +3
      27 May 2022 15: 36
      Quote: Tucan
      It's a pity the cons to the articles were canceled.
      Quote from publication:
      At the same time, the prospects for such assistance are quite understandable and even obvious - like other foreign weapons, self-propelled howitzers will not have any impact on current events.

      Author, aren't you tired of writing such nonsense in each of your articles on weapons supplied by Western countries to Ukraine? Even if one of our soldiers or civilians suffers from shells fired from these howitzers, this must be reckoned with


      and I liked this gem:
      "At the same time, it is obvious that Ukrainian guns of any type are at great risk. ПWhen advancing to a position, during firing or withdrawal, they can be detected and destroyed. The Russian army and the militia of Donbass have all the necessary means for this and have repeatedly demonstrated them in action.."

      it was just on paper...
    5. +3
      27 May 2022 20: 52
      We appear to have saved Italy from covid, and in response they send howitzers to kill us?! Wonderful! This is all you need to know about Europe, and when the time comes for a thermonuclear fox, your hand should not flinch! am
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  2. +28
    27 May 2022 03: 56
    It is not clear the author's disregard for what it means - Another little help. The weapon is powerful, very dangerous, and if Italy transferred all 70 guns they have in storage, then there is little pleasant.
    1. +11
      27 May 2022 11: 18
      The author generally has a peculiar attitude towards numbers.

      In February, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had three types of towed 152mm systems - Msta, Hyacinth and D-20. In total, about 400 systems.

      The Americans have already replaced, relatively speaking, all D-20s with 100 M777s, a quarter of the entire fleet. Now the Europeans, for example, will send 70 more of their own instead of hyacinths. It turns out that the towed artillery is already half re-equipped by 155mm.
      1. 0
        27 May 2022 21: 46
        M777 is not even close to Hyacinth. Do not replace. Wrong category...
        1. 0
          27 May 2022 23: 12
          Quote: stankow
          M777 is not even close to Hyacinth

          Quote: stankow
          Higher characteristics of projectiles? At the west? Ahem :)

          If you are not aware, then for the aggressive NATO bloc, active-missiles have long become a burrow of life. With them, the characteristics of the 777 are close in range to the hyacinth, and taking into account the possibility, again, of the massive use of guide whales, they significantly exceed it.

          However, the most interesting, of course, are 155/52 systems (supplied in single copies) and Excalibur (not seen yet). Let's see if we happen to see this - if the Ukrainian side manages to organize adequate fire control, then there is nothing to catch against this duet of the RF Armed Forces.
          1. 0
            31 May 2022 11: 22
            And Excalibur, the "norm" for this supplied batch? And Krasnopol for 152 mm, while really fighting, no?
            1. 0
              31 May 2022 11: 37
              I think I wrote clearly enough. The Excaliburs have not yet been seen. Under the norm of life meant M549 and M795. It is not clear what you wanted to say about Knasnopol. Yes, they say there is such a projectile.
    2. +16
      27 May 2022 11: 40
      Quote: 28st region
      Another little help.

      Another little useful article on the topic of little help. To fuel the useless feeling of hatred. By the way, the United States intends to supply MLRS. Also, go, "the wrong system", that is - "of little use".
  3. -9
    27 May 2022 04: 23
    "..received from a foreign partner.." - so you need to hit the "foreign partner". And there is nothing to chew snot.
    1. +1
      27 May 2022 08: 37
      )))
      Why do you hate Russians so much?

      By the way, right now a party of defeat for Ukraine has begun to emerge, consisting of Germany, France, Italy and a group of "realists" from the United States (moreover, "realists" from both parties). And you just want to kill people.
      1. +7
        27 May 2022 11: 43
        Yes, the Italian plan that went to the UN is very good! Good and a fencer!
        And old Kissinger, who "brought peace more than once," is also good - 99 years old, but still busy with peacemaking.
        So the Italians and Kissingers must be protected, and, perhaps, money should be sent to them. To support, so to speak, the struggle for peace with deeds.

        But there is one trouble (or problem), even two (no, not roads and braces), and maybe more.

        First, according to some sources, "both sides are counting on a military solution to the conflict and victory."

        Secondly, polls in both countries show almost 80% of the population have a requirement to continue the database, "until the final victory."

        Thirdly, it seems that Ramstein-2 continues the policy of Ramstein-1: "to give the Armed Forces of Ukraine so many weapons so that the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not lose outright, but not enough to defeat the RF Armed Forces, otherwise you never know." The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, as long as there is a SVO in Ukraine, will not go anywhere else, this is good for NATO. And the problems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "do not bother the sheriff", only the topic with grain should be resolved.

        Fourth, as one wise (the wisest) politician wisely remarked, "the time for negotiations has not yet come."
        The LDNR are recognized within the administrative boundaries, so before entering them, you can "play cauldrons measuring 30 by 30 km near Lisichansk."
        The bridgehead on the right bank of the Dnieper hints at the bright future of Odessa, Nikolaev, the PMR and, probably, Moldova.
        The budget of the Russian Federation (will you know who, God loves the Russian Federation) is filled in such a way that the reserves of money will last until the end of the year.
        Hunger in the Russian Federation is not threatened, moreover, there are many vacancies for healthy men for 200-300 tr. a month to work for the state (you can sign a contract for a short time).
        The main issue is that the issue of power in the Russian Federation has been resolved, and so resolved that there are even such proposals: ""In the conditions of a special military operation - do we need to hold elections in the fall on the Single Voting Day? We should all be as one, but what will happen in the elections? We must fight each other. In this hall, we all support the president, a special military operation, and in the elections we must talk about contradictions," Mironov said, speaking at the State Duma on Tuesday."https://www.interfax.ru/russia/841242
        But quite recently, demonstrations ran around the cities of the Russian Federation, in Khabarovsk they were not even touched much. Now peace and grace has come!
        Well, how to complete the SVO in such conditions? Everything is going according to plan, and it even finally became clear why this is so with deadlines that are not being forced (we carefully read Patrushev; yes, we also read Surkov and we definitely read Putin).

        In general, the current state of the battles for Popasnaya and other Novo-passitovki, it seems to me, has become suitable for many, if not all.
        1. +4
          27 May 2022 11: 55
          Quote: Wildcat
          Yes, the Italian plan that went to the UN is very good! Good and a fencer!

          Well, the plan is more or less reasonable - in the sense that it allows you to somehow expand the situation that developed in 2014. Another thing is that in order to implement such a plan, a new Desert Storm is needed - and such a decision is not in the competence of the Italians.
          Quote: Wildcat
          In general, the current state of the battles for Popasnaya and other Novo-passitovki, it seems to me, has become suitable for many, if not all.

          Yes, the Syrian option, in principle, will suit everyone (who has the right to vote). Even for Russia, and even more so for Ukraine.
          1. +4
            27 May 2022 12: 47
            That the "Desert Storm" plan (an operation with limited targets in a limited theater), that the plan to "deprive Russia of the ability to do something there" can scare only local pique vests who like to write that "we cannot lose" or something then there "we can't", the list is big.
            Well, the conditional Ternovaya or Lozovaya passed from hand to hand - and what happened? Nothing terrible or unusual. Has the sky fallen to earth? No.

            Even if the dreams of one writer-foreman (now living outside the Russian Federation) about trips to Abrams come true - so what? This Abrams is not going to Red Square, as this runaway writer wants?

            And the plan "to deprive Russia of the opportunity to do something there" - well, this is only a tragedy for ridiculous democracies. For us, even replacing a Kalash with a mosquito is not big news.


            So for now, there are no grounds for negotiations.
            Not yet visible.
            1. +4
              27 May 2022 12: 54
              Russian "analysts" are not among those whom I have called "voting". The bottom line is that in order to change the status of the "liberated regions", especially the LDNR, especially the Crimea, a military solution is needed, and only then a political one.
            2. +5
              27 May 2022 13: 39
              Quote: Wildcat
              Even if the dreams of one writer-foreman (now living outside the Russian Federation) about trips to Abrams come true - so what?

              I'll be tedious: not living, but existing. Risen from the dead Petty Officer Babette is by definition undead and cannot live. smile
              1. +2
                27 May 2022 13: 46
                Without Abrams, he doesn’t care about his fate, but who will Abrams give him? ))))))
        2. 0
          27 May 2022 21: 51
          And what about Moldova? Nobody even said a word about her. Transnistria is another matter.
      2. -1
        27 May 2022 20: 54
        Quote: Negro
        consisting of Germany, France, Italy and a group of "realists" from the USA (moreover, "realists" from both parties). And you just want to kill people.

        This is where it is you there people did you see?
      3. -3
        27 May 2022 22: 32
        Quote: Negro
        party of defeat of Ukraine as part of Germany, France, Italy



        )))

        Always touched by the aplomb of Russian analysts who will not immediately name at least one Italian politician, nor the name of any party. About their programs or parliamentary decisions or public opinion on this topic, etc., etc. ... but they know for sure about peace party). In the same way, they know absolutely nothing about French or German politics and attitudes and real actions.
        By the way...these of little use howitzers, as well as the same useless radars, MCIs and much more were sent to Ukraine after peace initiative and plum.Like three hundred million in money. And this is not the first and not the last batch of weapons that the Italians send
        1. +1
          27 May 2022 22: 59
          Quote: Liam
          Always touched by the aplomb of Russian analysts who will not immediately name at least one Italian politician

          Are you hinting at me? If you've seen the Italian theses, you can't help but understand why they are causing rage in Eastern Europe. And not only with Mr. Medvedev, who has recently been making statements that are simply amazing in terms of his rhetoric, but also with people of opposite views.
          Quote: Liam
          these useless howitzers, as well as the same useless radars, MCIs and much more were sent to Ukraine after the peace initiative and the drain. As well as three hundred million in money

          And, well, that is, the Italians are still for a military solution? Interesting news.
          1. -4
            27 May 2022 23: 19
            Quote: Negro
            fury in Eastern Europe

            Are you talking about Russia or what?) ...
            Quote: Negro
            Interesting news

            This is actually the third package of military assistance from Italy, like be.tam and Stingers, and Milans and Panzerfausts and mortars and machine guns, etc., etc. By the way ... the most painful sanction against the Russian Federation is the arrest of the reserves of the Central Bank, a direct idea and initiative of Draghi. Which is one one of the strongest experts in finance in the world and, by the way, the former head of the ECB. And not a talker by the way. All military supplies to Italy are classified. And the number and nomenclature. Italy supported the oil embargo. For three months, Draghi traveled half the world and signed new gas contracts for 20 yards of cubic meters. Russian imports-28, if anything.

            And peace proposals .. In Italy, elections are coming soon, in France, literally in a few weeks. The voices of pacifists are also needed. So they send tsidulki to Putin. Which he will reject with his inherent foresight. efforts for a peaceful settlement, but alas ... there is no alternative to military assistance to Ukraine. The dictator does not want peace, etc., etc.
            1. +1
              27 May 2022 23: 37
              Quote: Liam
              And peace proposals .. In Italy, elections are coming soon, in France, literally in a few weeks. The voices of pacifists are also needed. So they send tsidulki to Putin. Which he will reject with his inherent foresight. efforts for a peaceful settlement but alas ...

              Cunning plan? Something I got tired of cunning plans lately. But OK, let's wait another month.
              Quote: Liam
              Are you talking about Russia or what?) ...

              No, about Ukraine and Poland.

              When in the first paragraph there is a ceasefire and peacekeepers, there is no need to explain further to everyone who is closely familiar with the realities of the post-Soviet space.
              1. -3
                27 May 2022 23: 59
                Quote: Negro
                Tricky plan?

                God forbid ... an ordinary pre-election distribution of earrings to all sisters ... militarists-howitzers ... pacifists-flowers in the barrel of howitzers.



                Quote: Negro
                When the first paragraph ceasefire

                I will be very surprised at the peace plan, the first paragraph of which provides for increased fire)
                Quote: Negro
                peacekeepers

                Are you sure you personally read this peace plan?
                Quote: Negro
                Ukraine and Poland.

                Everyone plays a role. But Ukraine pays salaries from the money of Europeans, fights with free weapons of Europeans, millions of refugees do not live under bombs, but in the homes and social sphere of Europeans. Not counting the multibillion-dollar losses of Europeans from sanctions. Yes, and failures at the front are conveniently explained by the instability of Europeans. As if to rearm, shoe, clothe, feed and maintain a half-million army is done in a month. This is not counting the real logistical capabilities of Ukraine itself to accept and master the entire flow of what is coming. Ukrainian propaganda went a little too far with optimism in terms of the timing and pace of this whole thing and she herself created inflated expectations in society. And now they realized that defeating the army of a 150 millionth country, which was many times superior in materiel, was not so easy, and finally, belatedly, they switched to the correct rhetoric ... how did Churchill have it .. about the promise blood and pain.
                Let me remind you that a 50% drop in Ukraine's GDP and a 40 millionth country on humanitarian aid will not last long. And no one can guarantee a quick military victory in a couple of months
  4. +14
    27 May 2022 04: 43
    Another useless article.
  5. +7
    27 May 2022 05: 56
    Who writes these articles? Any gun is a gun. It doesn't matter how far she shoots. Putin begins to play by the rules of the United States, allowing more and more weapons to be supplied to Ukraine. MANPADS and ATGMs, with small arms, are one thing, and heavy equipment is quite another. All of these deal heavy damage.
    Russia did an excellent job of destroying Ukraine's fleet of vehicles, but if NATO is allowed to supply its equipment, this war will never end. The fleet of NATO equipment is huge, our stocks will soon disappear. And if missiles and jet systems are brought in now, this will mean huge losses in manpower for Russia, because in a war everything is decided by range and accuracy. As well as a disaster for the civilian population, because the nationalists will burn the earth. Eastern Ukrainians are our brothers, the death of every civilian in the east is no less tragic than the life of a civilian in Russia.
    What is the point of being a nuclear power with the largest ammunition and at the same time be afraid to use it.
    At the beginning of the conflict, the United States was afraid to supply Soviet equipment, and now there is talk of modern NATO equipment. If Putin continues to play by the rules of NATO, Russia from the beginning will face a bleeding of the armed forces, an economic crisis and a bloody collapse.
    Putin brought Russia out of the crisis after Yeltsin, made the country great again, but if we follow the path laid by the West, Russia will face an inglorious end. Europe directly declares that they want Putin to die, as well as defeat and the economic collapse of Russia. It is better to play a game where there will be no winners than to die shamefully in a disgraced, ruined and impoverished country in 10 years.
    1. +4
      27 May 2022 08: 54
      Quote from Eva Star
      And no matter how far she shoots

      Just as important. Modern systems shoot at 40-60 km, which gives the side using them an advantage. Old systems even fire active-rocket projectiles at 30 km, which only equalizes them with hyacinths and revenges. That is, in the case of the supply of modern systems, we would talk about improving the quality of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the artillery component, and in the case under discussion of the supply of junk from the times of the GSVG, we would only talk about making up for losses, which was not entirely successful.
    2. +1
      27 May 2022 09: 41
      I apologize, however, the difference between guns and howitzers is somewhat greater than between a saucepan and a frying pan.
    3. -1
      27 May 2022 21: 34
      I think the red army is strong though
      in the event of NATO aggression, it will not be able to resist alone and Russia will be forced to use tactical nuclear weapons
      best to balance with NATO and avoid that "our stocks will soon disappear." it will be a military alliance with China. China should help Russia if necessary, also because if Russia comes out of this conflict weakened
      it would be the end for China too
  6. -7
    27 May 2022 06: 09
    Is this not the wunderwaffle around which the turkeys danced ritual dances before firing?

    If Indian dances cannot be replaced by a combat hopak, then artillerymen will have to be sent to India for training.
    1. +4
      27 May 2022 07: 48
      If Indian dances cannot be replaced by a combat hopak, then artillerymen will have to be sent to India for training.

      It seems to me that ours would not have abandoned self-propelled howitzers instead of "MSTA-B", it is easier to perform an anti-fire maneuver.
    2. +1
      27 May 2022 08: 42
      Not the one, of course. If the caption for the video is correct, then this is the FH77 - a modern long-barreled system, and not an illiquid asset from the Brezhnev era.
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  7. +10
    27 May 2022 06: 14
    achieved pace firing volley up to 3 shots in 15 sec.
    belay Where to send the author? To school, to college, to university ..... In the yard to the boys. They will explain that a volley from one cannon is not possible. fool
    Volley - a simultaneous shot from several guns or artillery pieces
  8. NSV
    -2
    27 May 2022 06: 26
    The Italian sucks!
  9. +4
    27 May 2022 06: 36
    At the same time, the prospects for such assistance are quite understandable and even obvious - like other foreign weapons, self-propelled howitzers will not have any impact on current events.

    The enemy must be respected, they will certainly have an impact, but it will not be significant. It would be better if a rocket hit the train with them at some station.
  10. Two
    +5
    27 May 2022 07: 22
    Any, even potentially obsolete, trash is dangerous! He is also capable of taking the lives of our soldiers! We need to destroy the delivery routes ...
  11. +1
    27 May 2022 08: 15
    in the wedge there is a magazine for 12 capsules for firing a shot - explain what it is?
    1. +5
      27 May 2022 08: 59
      The writing is a little unclear. As I understand it, the loading is capped, like in our 203mm joint venture, in which the capsular sleeve is installed directly into the bolt. Here, apparently, the same thing, only they put several at once. It is also incomprehensibly written about volleys and other rate of fire. And the fact that a self-propelled gun is not new. The SA also had self-propelled guns, as I understand it, they did not justify themselves. And besides (in my personal opinion), although a large amount of hydraulics certainly facilitates the work of the calculation, at the same time it is quite capricious. Recently they showed Hyacinths that came under fire. there were just holes in the beds and this did not affect the combat capability. And there are so many tubes here that can be easily damaged, even without shooting, by the actions of a "skillful fighter."
      1. +7
        27 May 2022 10: 01
        The SA also had self-propelled guns, as I understand it, they did not justify themselves.

        Only the SD-44 comes to mind, but it is anti-tank.
        The engine on the gun reduces the time for anti-fire maneuver, the gun will be transferred to the stowed position and will travel 500 meters on their own, without waiting for the tractor. When equipped with ASUNO and self-binding devices, this can greatly complicate counter-battery combat.
        1. +3
          27 May 2022 11: 29
          in our country, all artillery is subordinate to the chief of artillery, so all anti-tank guns could be used not only for direct fire at tanks, but also for other tasks. and about the engine, I think that it did not justify itself. Extra complexity in operation and maintenance. I also remembered the radar sights on the Rapier - a bunch of all kinds of equipment attached to the gun, but the result is incomprehensible.
          1. +3
            27 May 2022 14: 03
            Extra complexity in operation and maintenance

            In general, as far as I understand, self-propelled guns are a response to the appearance of Firefinder artillery reconnaissance automated control systems and Takfire, Adler, and Bates field artillery automated control systems. "Takfire" prepares the initial data for firing at a target in 10 seconds, it will not work to shoot from one place, the basis of survival is maneuver, there is no time to wait for the tractor. The engine with the gun allows you to quickly transfer from the combat position to the marching position and leave the OP.
            1. +4
              27 May 2022 15: 36
              During service in the GSVG, the d20 battery was folded in about 3 minutes and went to the RFP. The gaping fighters were quite officially helped to move by the political officer of the messenger, no one was offended, he understood that he was to blame. All this was worked out to automatism and people knew that 3-5 minutes after the start of firing, return shells could arrive. Therefore, I am very surprised when I see footage of the work of artillery in Ukraine, how freely the crews move, how they shoot from the line, what heaps of shells are shot.
              1. 0
                27 May 2022 17: 14
                Therefore, I am very surprised to see footage of the work of artillery in Ukraine

                And here we have a dilemma, now is not the Soviet time, it is impossible to collect so many barrels to complete all tasks at once, including the counter-battery Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, so the question of continuity of fire support arises. The time of leaving is up to 2,30 minutes as part of the battery, but the deployment in battle order on a prepared OP is up to 5 minutes, on an unprepared one up to 8-14. Ideally, a battalion is assigned an OP area, guns are randomly placed in it, they work in the mode of a minute fire raid - movement - a minute fire raid ... When the guns are self-propelled (self-propelled) and equipped with ASUNO and self-binding systems, all this is doable.

              2. 0
                27 May 2022 22: 33
                And for each "reciprocal" projectile, two "response-response" ones will fly. There are 3 batteries in the division, they will stand up for their own, which came under fire!
          2. 0
            27 May 2022 22: 28
            Then it didn't work. You need to muster up the courage and try again, on a new elemental base.
          3. ada
            0
            1 June 2022 02: 17
            Quote: Vladimir 290
            ... . I also remembered the radar sights on the Rapier - a bunch of all kinds of equipment attached to the gun, but the result is incomprehensible.


            In 1981, the MT-12R / 2A29R "Rapier" gun with an aiming system with a 1A31 "Ruta" radar was adopted by the Soviet Army.
            “This modification of the well-known 100-mm Rapira anti-tank gun is distinguished by the fact that, thanks to the radar, it can detect targets, according to some reports, at a distance of 3-5 km. After detection, the gunner can proceed to destroy the enemy tank at a distance of 2-2,5 km. Moreover, this could be done at night, in any weather conditions, regardless of smoke or high dustiness.
            https://topwar.ru/57758-vsu-primenyali-po-t-64-i-t-72-opolchencev-protivotankovye-ruty.html
    2. -2
      27 May 2022 22: 08
      Cartridge loading. Gunpowder bags. Copper is saved on the sleeve, but the performance drops. There is no sleeve, nowhere to insert the capsule sleeve. Put the outer one. Again they lose in rate of fire. Sloppy solution.
  12. +7
    27 May 2022 08: 34
    Ryabov Kirill does not change himself. Stability! laughing
    The author will not be under the shells of this howitzer, and therefore throws his hats. Our soldiers at the front think otherwise. Still, 155-mm shells will fly through them. And they, shells, can nail, like 152-mm.
  13. 0
    27 May 2022 08: 59
    The variety of weapons is not a good indicator. Especially when you consider that Western equipment is more difficult to handle and designed for a more trained and educated soldier. As a result - breakdowns due to the fault of the crew. However, for a time, any weapons supplied may harm our troops. I have always been amazed by the Finnish army, in which the diversity of weapons from 1918 to 1945 is the norm of life and simply knows no boundaries. At the same time, the Finns manage to preserve, use and maintain it in combat readiness
  14. +4
    27 May 2022 09: 10
    Quote: Tucan
    It's a pity the cons to the articles were canceled.
    Quote from publication:
    At the same time, the prospects for such assistance are quite understandable and even obvious - like other foreign weapons, self-propelled howitzers will not have any impact on current events.

    Author, aren't you tired of writing such nonsense in each of your articles on weapons supplied by Western countries to Ukraine? Even if one of our soldiers or civilians suffers from shells fired from these howitzers, this must be reckoned with

    There are no problems for him. He sits in Moscow, for example, writes everything he can think of, he will not be hit by a fragment or he will miss a cup of coffee from the explosion.
  15. -4
    27 May 2022 09: 24
    A small benefit (well, the West will not be able to satisfy even 10% of the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and even more so to give the reservists of the 4th wave of morale) does not mean that Italy and so on.

    By the way, for each howitzer you need at least 2 MT-LB, one to tow, the second with additional. shells. Well, 1000 shells, how much will it be? 60 tons? Until the dill gets out by trucks, etc. Bye. They have already begun to fight instead of tanks on motor-carts, such as technical equipment.
    1. +6
      27 May 2022 12: 03
      Quote: EvilLion
      A small benefit (well, the West will not be able to satisfy even 10% of the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

      Known deliveries of towed 155mm guns already account for about half of the number of 152mm systems in the APU in February.
  16. -1
    27 May 2022 10: 26
    All this has been repeatedly observed in recent weeks. Foreign military-technical assistance to Ukraine covers various areas and areas, but almost always faces the same problems in practice.

    Everyone is pursuing their own goals. The West, as it were, provides assistance and for one thing drives the country into debt. Ukrainians cannot say that they did not receive help, but help has its own specifics.
  17. DJ
    -3
    27 May 2022 10: 48
    Here came the howitzers and started. Yeah. And where is the cover by aviation, infantry, armored vehicles? Where is the combat cohesion of units, exercises?
  18. +6
    27 May 2022 10: 53
    = There are too few foreign FH70 howitzers, their crews did not have time to gain the necessary experience, and the enemy has all the means to destroy them or take them as trophies.=
    There are few of these, there are few others, there are few thirds, and in the sum of some, others and thirds, a sufficient number accumulates.
    No, of course I understand that for us, who are not at the front, this is, of course, nonsense. And for those who are there? Even one "extra" howitzer is potentially dangerous.
    Well, about the available means for their destruction. But what about the art of dill is still shelling the cities of the LDNR and will not be destroyed in any way? Probably not everything is as simple as you wrote here.
  19. +7
    27 May 2022 11: 27
    The author apparently does not consider it important that, thanks to the use of this useless and other worthless weapons and military equipment voiced in his articles, funerals are going to Russian families, and young cripples appear in hospitals ... Another extra for whom this is LIFE, and others are numbers.
  20. +4
    27 May 2022 11: 30
    When there was a war in Afghanistan, can you imagine the US arming the Taliban so openly? Yes, weapons were supplied, but secretly. And the United States constantly made excuses and demanded more evidence to provide. They were afraid of the USSR, which means they respected it! And now? It's like not respecting Putin and Russia in order to openly arm and finance the fascist regime in Ukraine!!! Putin needs to start answering for his words! He said that they would hit the decision-making centers. So hit Kyiv for a start! Rada, government buildings, military installations, etc. Enough for us to state the facts and show our mediocrity!!
    1. +5
      27 May 2022 15: 00
      Quote: steel maker
      When there was a war in Afghanistan, can you imagine the US arming the Taliban so openly?

      The US couldn't arm the Taliban because they weren't there during the war in Afghanistan.
      The USSR fought with dushmans. And the Taliban is a purely Pakistani project, organized after our departure from Afghanistan and the fall of Najibullah - just to overthrow the pro-American "old spooks".
      And besides Afghanistan was Vietnam. Where the proxy war in the same way turned into a virtual direct conflict between the USA and the USSR, where one side fought with the army, and the other - with entire units under the guise of "advisers" and the supply of military equipment and weapons.
      Quote: steel maker
      It's like not respecting Putin and Russia in order to openly arm and finance the fascist regime in Ukraine!!!

      Oh, you might think that in the days of the USSR fascist puppets of Western imperialists armed by the West against the USSR was less.
      1. +1
        27 May 2022 22: 01
        Quote: Alexey RA

        And besides Afghanistan was Vietnam. Where the proxy war in the same way turned into a virtual direct conflict between the USA and the USSR, where one side fought with the army, and the other - with entire units under the guise of "advisers" and the supply of military equipment and weapons.
        .
        And there was more Korea 1950-53 - there, right on the side of the DPRK, pilots from the USSR and China fought (and half a million Chinese infantry ...), only officially the USSR was not in the DPRK ...
        Recall 64th Fighter Air Corps, where in The 324th Fighter Aviation Division was commanded by I. N. Kozhedub.
        hi
      2. 0
        28 May 2022 12: 09
        I agree, I read on one Pakistani website the sentence "Pakistan defeated the USSR in Afghanistan, thanks to the USA, and Pakistan has always defeated the USA in Afghanistan, thanks to the Americans."
  21. +6
    27 May 2022 11: 36
    Correctly. Where can a "little useful" 155 mm howitzer compete with, say, the mighty T-62? Article-fire! If 155 mm is "of little use" then that's it, we disperse. the author beat everyone
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  23. +4
    27 May 2022 14: 59
    Ukrainians have already published a video of this howitzer, as an advertisement or something. These pictures seem to be from there.
    1. 0
      27 May 2022 22: 44
      A howitzer is like a howitzer. Nothing special.
  24. +5
    27 May 2022 16: 21
    It is useless when it is in the museum :)
  25. +1
    27 May 2022 20: 28
    This is not help. This is a weapon for the war against Russia. A weapon for such a purpose is not useful and not of little use - it is harmful. And for Ukrainians too. The longer it takes to supply weapons for the war with Russia, the more destruction there will be and the more soldiers and non-combatants will die. The war should be transferred to the territory of the United States and NATO as soon as possible.
    1. +2
      27 May 2022 22: 46
      "The war should be transferred to the territory of the United States and NATO as soon as possible."

      Then there will be a very rapid demilitarization of the RF Armed Forces.
  26. 0
    27 May 2022 21: 32
    Overweight design. The engine will fail, the hose will burst - they will not even be removed from the position. High, do not dig in. There is no shield, tanks will rush in, infantry - you won’t fight back! Msta-B is better.
  27. +2
    27 May 2022 21: 51
    What does useless mean? Any weapon that can shoot can kill our soldiers and destroy our equipment! Where do these authors come from?
  28. +3
    27 May 2022 22: 44
    "Useless M777 howitzers... Useless FH70 howitzers... Worthless Caesar self-propelled guns... Pointless M2 Dana self-propelled guns..." Soon there will be again "useless" MLRS and Himars MLRS.

    Change the record, author!
  29. +1
    28 May 2022 12: 05
    For Mr. Ryabov Kirill, this is always “useless and obsolete equipment.”
  30. 0
    28 May 2022 14: 20
    Europe, in the field of arms supplies to Ukraine, is slowly approaching the line "take it and leave it at last."
  31. 0
    28 May 2022 14: 47
    It's good that they paid attention to Rybari, but these supplies will not make the weather, if only because we grind faster, and, God forbid, it will be so.
  32. 0
    31 May 2022 08: 27
    I don’t understand the local members of the forum. Write the article yourself. It’s easier to criticize a person. Write good howitzers, you will become an "enemy." arguments) also personal emotions. This applies not only to Cyril's articles.
    1. +1
      31 May 2022 08: 31
      According to the article, yes, the guns themselves are just "hardware", you forget that they already have them. Satellite constellation, counter-firing stations, a lot of different UAVs, an electronic interaction system has already gone. Here you have just "hardware"
  33. 0
    31 May 2022 12: 59
    For that matter, then
    1. It is necessary to consider the entire volume of aid supplied to the Ukrainians. How many guns, armored vehicles, etc. have been delivered in total. Then it will become clear how much it affects the war. How many guns were placed? 200? 300? 400?
    2. What's going on with us? We, if you look from the reports, are also fighting with nothing. And the old towed ones, similar to the western ones, are in bulk in our positions. It is on the positions of the RF Armed Forces.
    So the article is even urapatrtoic and not objective. In commercial terms, one can consider the degree of influence on the fighting at the front of our Maloks located there.
    1. 0
      31 May 2022 17: 16
      And why not. "Malka" is a specific weapon and also has an impact on military operations, especially when suppressing enemy positions in fortified areas.
  34. 0
    1 June 2022 20: 49
    "Another little help. FH70 howitzers for Ukraine." - the author, like Madura-dura?
  35. 0
    15 August 2022 14: 22
    Useful or not (and what is the criterion for measuring usefulness and effectiveness?), kills people, destroys infrastructure, i.e. fully performs its functions. What is the article about, etc. such a clickable title is incomprehensible, somehow childish and frivolous for this site, it seems to be not a "sandbox" and not the notorious garbage dump from the social network. Already tired of these "creative personalities" with articles from the "himself" series and other malice, from Skobeevs with priests on TV they are more than filled.

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