Problems and profits. Electric bikes for the Ukrainian army

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Bicycles Eleek Atom

Recently it became known that unusual vehicles began to arrive in separate units of the Ukrainian army. Instead of cars or armored cars, they are encouraged to use electric bicycles. It is argued that such a technique has a number of important advantages and is of great interest to the army. However, not all such promises are realistic, and the new transport may not live up to expectations.

On two wheels


The first reports of the arrival of electric bicycles in the Ukrainian armed formations were received on May 10-12. Light transport appeared in special forces and some mercenary formations. Together with the news photographs of equipment and its owners were published on this topic, as well as videos of trips on it, and far from the front line.



According to available information, the army received two types of bicycles made by Ukrainian companies Eleek and Delfast. This technique is expensive, but it is transferred to the army for free. Production and supplies are said to be paid for by collecting donations.

The number of bikes transferred remains unknown. The rather high cost and the chosen method of financing can seriously limit the pace of assembly and supply. In this case, we are already talking about two types of equipment, and several products of the same model can already be present in one frame. In addition, the collection of donations and deliveries do not stop.


Ukrainian fighter riding a bicycle "Atom"

Some Ukrainian sources claim that the electric bikes were developed taking into account the requirements and wishes of the army. However, in the delivered products, serial models that have been present on the civilian market for a long time are easily recognized. Apparently, adaptation to army operation was limited only to painting some parts in a protective color.

The resulting bikes are used primarily in the original role of light single-seat rapid transit. In addition, with the help of a standard frame trunk, some cargo is transported on them. So, photos with bicycles were published, on which transport containers of NLAW grenade launchers and other similar items are fixed. weapons.

It is curious that so far photos and videos with electric bicycles are filmed only in the rear. There is no reliable information about the appearance of such equipment in the combat zone. There is also no information about its use in certain operations. It should be noted that bicycles have not yet become trophies of the Russian or Republican troops. However, this can be considered a matter of time.

Technical features


At the moment, it is known about the supply of electric bicycles of two types. These are Eleek Atom and Delfast Top 3.0 products. Bicycles of these models are as similar as possible to each other in appearance and in their design. Both samples use the same technical solutions and similar components and assemblies, although with different characteristics. Key elements of bicycles are of foreign origin, and Ukrainian enterprises are engaged only in assembly.


Product Delfast Top 3.0

The architecture and design of the Atom and Top 3.0 are similar to motocross or enduro bikes. In both cases, a compact frame is used, on which the battery and controller are fixed under a common casing. The bikes are equipped with a front fork with shock absorption and a rear swing-arm suspension based on a spring.

On both e-bikes, the front wheel is equipped with a disc brake. At the back, a ready-made imported motor-wheel is used. The Atom product is equipped with a 3 kW motor, the Top 3.0 uses a more powerful 5 kW motor. In both cases, a recovery mode is provided. The motor-wheel is complemented by traditional chain-driven bicycle pedals.

Both products are equipped with the necessary control systems. They monitor the condition of the battery and motor, are responsible for charging and using electricity. An interesting feature is the presence of USB connectors for charging / using subscriber devices. The bike kit includes a charger for using a 220 V household network.

Despite the similarities, the two bikes can be distinguished by the design of the saddles. So, a motorcycle-type saddle is also attached to the Atom frame, behind which there is a short trunk frame. "Top 3.0" received a traditional bicycle saddle with height adjustment. A larger trunk can be installed on its rack.


"Delfast" with rider and cargo

Bicycles have a mass of about 70 kg and can carry one person, as well as some cargo. Declared the possibility of driving on asphalt or dirt roads. On a good track Top 3.0 speeds up to 40-45 km / h and has a cruising range of 320 km. Atom accelerates to 90 km / h, but the battery charge is only enough for 100-150 km.

Benefits and problems


Reports of e-bike shipments point to a number of benefits of the technique. It is alleged that it is distinguished by high running characteristics and carrying capacity sufficient for operation in the army and solving combat or auxiliary tasks. It is also noted that electric transport is almost silent and, unlike a conventional motorcycle, does not unmask itself in the infrared spectrum. In addition, new bicycles do not need scarce gasoline.

It is assumed that electric bicycles can be used by reconnaissance and sabotage groups, crews of anti-tank systems or MANPADS, etc. In fact, we are talking about any fighters or units that need light, fast and maneuverable vehicles to move along a given route or to quickly change positions.

However, all such estimates appear to be overly optimistic. The fact is that electric bicycles as a class have a number of characteristic shortcomings, and their use in the military sphere is associated with additional difficulties and limitations. As a result, civilian commercial vehicles will not be able to cope with all military tasks, showing acceptable reliability and survivability.

First of all, the survivability and reliability of the design raises questions. It is unlikely that "Atom" and "Top-3.0" are able to move for a long time over rough terrain without damage to the structure and negative consequences for the cyclist and / or cargo. High loads occur in these modes, and the equipment is hardly designed for them. In addition, when transporting an NLAW grenade launcher or a heavier product, the load on the bike is further increased with understandable results.


Military operation loads not only the frame and chassis, but also the electrical components of the bicycle. At the same time, driving characteristics should fall - speed and power reserve on one charge. Long-term negative effects on the battery and motor wheel are also possible.

The operation of an electric bicycle in frontal conditions is associated with a number of additional restrictions and problems. So, not always and not everywhere it is possible to charge the battery, even from a household network. Repair in the field is possible only by replacing entire units, which requires an established system for supplying spare parts.

In general, e-bikes have extremely limited prospects in the context of military operation. They can show acceptable performance only on good roads, without significant load and other significant restrictions. At the same time, in all roles and areas, they will lose in all respects to traditional technology with internal combustion engines. Full competition with conventional motorcycles is simply impossible.

Useless novelty


Thus, a curious and characteristic situation is developing around electric bicycles for Ukrainian armed formations. Commercial firms “bought” their own products with donations and handed them over to the army. At the same time, they earned and built their products. The fundraiser is ongoing and apparently new deliveries and new profits are expected soon.

As a result of these processes, army units received at least not the most useful equipment. They try to use it and adapt it to current needs and tasks, but one cannot count on much success. Obtaining all the desired results is hindered by objective technical limitations of both specific samples and the entire class as a whole. However, the main goal of this "assistance program" could be the earnings of producers - in which case it is successful and copes with the task.
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  1. +6
    25 May 2022 04: 17
    A good idea, the legs will rest on trips, it will be more convenient to drape to the west.
    1. +7
      25 May 2022 04: 25
      I would not refuse such a miracle to go to the country ... though our officials threaten, as always, to ban and not let the new spirit of the times go.
      And for the army they still need to be finalized, it’s too early to let them go into battle with such shortcomings. what
      1. +17
        25 May 2022 06: 19
        To ban and not let go just because the people do not know how to use them and drive under 50 on the sidewalk and after beer
      2. +3
        25 May 2022 07: 01
        The city is full of electric scooters. Some with seats and some without.
        I heard that the speed limit is 25 km/h.
      3. +4
        25 May 2022 11: 47
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        True, our officials are threatening, as always, to ban and not let the new spirit of the times go.

        In 1979, Kirovets (with harrows - important!) And a motorcyclist were driving across the steppe.
        At the crossroads of two roads, a motorcyclist flew under Kirovets. Not fatally, but it broke ...
        When he was later questioned, he said, "I didn't see it!!!"
        How can you not see and not hear Kirovets - behind which there is also a column of dust for a kilometer - I don’t know ...
        3 weeks ago, in our city, an 18-year-old dunce on an electric scooter hit a 16-year-old guy. And he also said - "I didn't see it !!" (on the sidewalk of a pedestrian).
        And now the question is - how much will they give him and under what article?
        1. 0
          27 May 2022 00: 05
          If without injury, then the maximum infliction of slight harm to health through negligence. And then you try to prove it. Legally (for now) both are considered pedestrians. That is, there is a collision of 2 pedestrians on the sidewalk. Well, it happens...
          1. +1
            27 May 2022 06: 39
            Quote: ian
            Legally (for now) both are considered pedestrians. That is, there is a collision of 2 pedestrians on the sidewalk. Well, it happens...

            Quote: Lech from Android.
            our officials are threatening, as always, to ban and not let the new spirit of the times go.

            "Damn bureaucrats" want to prevent a pedestrian from moving at a speed of about 40 km along the sidewalk, demolish another pedestrian with a fall through the window of an apartment building. Which resulted in a broken arm in the victim and numerous stab and cut wounds from glass, as well as a broken leg in the perpetrator
    2. +4
      25 May 2022 06: 47
      Not cheap, however...
      By the way, the Russian version of the site was not deleted.
      Moreover: Russian basic


      1. +2
        25 May 2022 08: 37
        Fuck, almost the price of the car.
        1. +4
          25 May 2022 10: 23
          You haven’t seen the price of a decent road bike, on which it’s not a shame to enter the Garden Ring race, and then also the price of a cutter, on which it’s also not a shame to ride the Krylatsky Hills race laughing
        2. +6
          25 May 2022 11: 34
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          Fuck, almost the price of the car.


          I went to Moscow by train 12 years ago.
          My fellow traveler was a young guy who was riding for a front fork for a bicycle, worth 108 thousand rubles for that money.
          It was at a rate of 30!!!
          3,5 thousand dollars!!!
          For one front fork only.
          So there are items that are really popular in narrow circles, and there is a small circle of people who are ready to travel half the country for these items and pay such money.
      2. +1
        12 November 2022 19: 20
        In fact, it is impossible to call the unit from the title photo a bicycle, since there are no pedals. It is rather an electric moped, which, when the battery is discharged, can only be pushed by hands.
    3. +12
      25 May 2022 10: 33
      Quote: Why do you need it?
      A good idea, the legs will rest on trips, it will be more convenient to drape to the west.



      Very funny comments, from uryakalok.
      The history of electric mopeds in the special forces of the United States and Britain is already 10 years old.
      They have been tested, the tactics of their use have been worked out and put into service.
      They believe that this really greatly increases the mobility, movement speed, noiselessness and secrecy of the movement of tactical groups.
      Uryakalki need to know that in 2017, the Kalashnikov concern, by order of the MTR of the Russian Federation, developed and provided for testing an electric motorcycle ...

      And now continue to throw your caps, because all the same, in your uryak-uryak-heads, there is no knowledge, no history, no reason.
      You are not able to understand that ours do the same.
      So, according to your logic, ours, Kalashnikov, and Spetsnaz, do the same thing that you wrote here about fart .. steam and drape,
      And speaking of stilts...

      1. 0
        25 May 2022 21: 22
        Today I walked in the park with a dog, looked around, turned my head. Because the children running around can think of pulling the formidable dog by the tail .. And I completely did not notice how I flew to the meeting by e-mail. bike man. I also thought it could be used in military affairs ... Inaudibly, speed, maneuverability ... There are a lot of advantages ... this mule.
      2. 0
        27 May 2022 01: 20
        Very funny comments, from uryakalok.
        The history of electric mopeds in the special forces of the United States and Britain is already 10 years old.
        They have been tested, the tactics of their use have been worked out and put into service. They believe that this really greatly increases the mobility, movement speed, noiselessness and secrecy of the movement of tactical groups.
        Quite right! And these users .... 80 years ago, let's say, they were not fools either ...
    4. 0
      25 May 2022 17: 17
      Our tactical mare is much cooler! It can carry up to THREE unguided Tuvims with a grenade, or two old-time Buryats with a three-ruler, or one hardened Kadyrovets with an action camera.
      Easily goes on any off-road, sometimes swims.
      You can charge with hay and straw.
      Easy to manage, cheap, accessible, understandable.
    5. 0
      25 May 2022 17: 53
      Yes, and deliver anti-tank systems to the ambush site without straining your legs. To then knock out our armor. Yes?
    6. -1
      26 May 2022 23: 15
      Until when your tanks don't have high quality panoramic wide-angle thermal imaging two-channel sight of the 3rd generation, these are the suburban drug addicts on bikes and bicycles that will torment and burn your tankers from bushes and woods!

      How many videos do you need to watch on the Internet to confirm that the tankers on the T72 / T80 are practically blind, without such devices ???? These tanks see well in narrow areas of the sector, approximately surrender / window / op. a point / firing point which is located 800-1500 meters from the tank and which is known in advance thanks to intelligence. The tank comes out and work on it with a land mine. But without adequate panoramic devices, tanks are launched into a dense forest across the road or into a city battle. suicide.
  2. -4
    25 May 2022 04: 20
    Useless novelty
    Have you tried using stilts?
    Platoon on stilts goes on the attack!!! A terrible sight - the enemies scatter in horror ... belay
    1. -2
      25 May 2022 08: 45
      indeed - this is already an air target ... air defense is necessary
      Volodya hi
      1. -4
        25 May 2022 09: 00
        Quote: novel xnumx
        air defense is necessary

        Footcloths curl, armor rings ring, pouches jump, helmets shine, splashes in all directions!
        Roma hi
    2. -1
      25 May 2022 12: 20
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Have you tried using stilts?
      They need jumpers: who doesn't jump...
      1. -2
        25 May 2022 13: 12
        Quote: sniperino
        need jumpers
        Mono and so! Jump up!
  3. +2
    25 May 2022 04: 38
    Yeah. A fragment or a bullet in the battery and thermal stealth will turn into a fire show. The idea is probably good, but where and how to charge them in the field? How does the absence of a gasoline engine increase stealth, except for engine noise? It seems to me that the Oka is a convertible will be more fun.
    1. +9
      25 May 2022 04: 56
      but where and how to charge them in the field

      what about the pedals? Instead of sleeping for 8 hours, you pedal, so you charged your bike. Sat down in the morning and went to battle laughing
    2. +2
      25 May 2022 05: 00
      they have Volyn for this (front edge conveyor).
      although it is no longer in production.
  4. +9
    25 May 2022 04: 40
    Ridiculous, again "useless" replenishment.
    Type will not be able to complete all tasks ...
    Why is everything necessary?
    They can do some, but they can. And the range of such tasks is not so small. This means that it will be more convenient and easier for the ukram to kill our soldiers, burn tanks, shoot down turntables ....

    How to dislike an article?
    1. -4
      25 May 2022 05: 22
      Now turn on your head and imagine how to drive over rough terrain on this garbage, and imagine that 50 of these units need to be charged, and at once
      1. +3
        25 May 2022 05: 30
        Quote: DeGreen
        how to ride cross country on this bullshit,

        And how can you ride on rough terrain on any other transport?
        imagine that 50 of these units need to be charged, and at once

        Why 50?
        Why together?
        Why not 5 and not in turn?
        There is no wunderwaffel, any "garbage" has its limitations. But within their limits, it can be very, very useful; consequently, it is dangerous for us.
        1. +8
          25 May 2022 08: 48
          so yes, if IT is capable of carrying a person with MANPADS / ATGMs at a speed of 30 km / h, you can create mobile groups and they can bring harm, no doubt, they can
        2. -2
          25 May 2022 09: 01
          Charging in turn is unprofitable in time.
          And with cold snaps and sub-zero temperatures, the performance will be reduced significantly. Also, with an intensive discharge of the battery, it heats up, which means it becomes noticeable for infrared observation
        3. 0
          25 May 2022 17: 51
          Not a single NATO country has them, in combat positions,
  5. +3
    25 May 2022 04: 46
    A very necessary thing for the army, especially in the war zone! The use of electric bikes will reduce the anthropogenic impact on the environment. Another would be to include in the delivery set a mobile autonomous socket for recharging and the price would not be for this vehicle!
    1. +3
      25 May 2022 04: 49
      How is it different from a moped?
      1. +8
        25 May 2022 05: 31
        Quote: Sea Cat
        How is it different from a moped?

        At least the fact that it does not rumble. In battle, of course, do not care, but in reconnaissance or ambush, very much so.
        1. 0
          25 May 2022 08: 43
          So much better than electric motorcycles. For the MTR, the United States uses them.
          https://topwar.ru/178275-voennye-motocikly-snova-vhodjat-v-modu.html?ysclid=l3l5vma4gk
          https://www.dyrchik.ru/top-luchshih-elektromototsiklov/
      2. 0
        25 May 2022 05: 34
        Quote: Sea Cat
        How is it different from a moped?

        Silent.
        1. 0
          25 May 2022 08: 50
          Well, 3kW and 5kW motor wheels are not that quiet. But yes, noticeably quieter than the "hole" laughing
      3. -3
        25 May 2022 06: 13
        The moped runs on gasoline and, accordingly, emits various harmful substances into the atmosphere. The environment is dying from these harmful substances. At one time, elves in white coats from a shining city on a hill even bothered to replace the lead in their bullets. Because it is bad for the environment! That's it!
        1. +4
          25 May 2022 06: 23
          Well, if the elves are ... Otpad !!! wassat
        2. +1
          25 May 2022 08: 49
          but they didn’t bother with uranium cores in BOPS and shells for the GAU-8 / a?
          1. -1
            25 May 2022 10: 48
            It seems to be not. I remember after the war in Yugoslavia, one of the allies tried to run into them because of this, because there were victims due to radiation. But in my opinion, the Americans slowly hushed up this matter.
    2. -1
      25 May 2022 04: 57
      Quote: avg avg
      A very necessary thing for the army, especially in the war zone! The use of electric bikes will reduce the anthropogenic impact on the environment. Another would be to include in the delivery set a mobile autonomous socket for recharging and the price would not be for this vehicle!

      Fans of the traditional foot movement will eat you alive... everything new and useful is always hard to perceive. conservatives.
      But it normal... smile someday we will move on gravitsaps.
    3. 0
      25 May 2022 05: 01
      Not an outlet. The Combat Electric Vehicle kit ... Oh, an electric bicycle should include either a portable windmill-generator, or several solar panels. To recharge the battery. A windmill is, of course, worse: MANPADS can mistake it for a low-flying piston aircraft. And solar panels, in which case, will protect against air strikes! And Greta Thunberg will rejoice, along with all the "greens"! wassat
      1. +10
        25 May 2022 05: 37
        Very funny.
        But in fact, it can be recharged even from the network, even from any tank / tractor / car, of which there are plenty of them at any military base.
        Or maybe bring a couple of sets of batteries in advance to an intermediate base ....
        Transport for a soldier is always better when he is than when he is not.
        1. -1
          25 May 2022 10: 10
          "How did it happen that your tank was captured by the Russian troops in a fully operational condition?"
          “That Mykola charged his bike from him at night, he put the battery down, so we couldn’t start it in the morning, we had to tick the gardens”
        2. +1
          25 May 2022 11: 56
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          at least from any tank / tractor / car, of which there are plenty of them at any military base.

          Well, yes, yes ...
          1) burning the resource of the tank engine for the sake of charging the bike is very smart
          2) burning fuel and lubricants in the face of problems with fuel in the APU is generally a masterpiece

          And yet, nowhere is it specified how much he will travel off-road. Asphalt for reconnaissance or ambushes is nonsense.
          I'm already silent about the usual mud after the rains
        3. 0
          25 May 2022 15: 35
          The bicycle must be a bicycle, not an electric broom. This is both environmentally friendly (and in the West, oh, how they bake about it, a lot of dough can be cut down on the "green" agenda!), And more reliable, and the range is limited only by the capabilities of the cyclist, and not by charging the battery. hi
  6. +1
    25 May 2022 04: 58
    in general summary: soon a new type of troops will appear in the Armed Forces of Ukraine - bicycle assault troops. laughing
    1. 0
      25 May 2022 06: 31
      In pre-revolutionary Russia, there were companies of scooters in the army.
      1. +2
        25 May 2022 08: 56
        dragoons actually..
        1. 0
          26 May 2022 10: 18
          Here ! Dragunov remembered.
          transport is almost silent and, unlike a conventional motorcycle, does not unmask itself in the infrared spectrum. In addition, new bicycles do not need scarce gasoline.

          Horses!!! All the same advantages, only they don’t even need electricity, only hay.
          And horses have excellent cross-country ability and even the ability to swim.
  7. 0
    25 May 2022 05: 19
    And you can also use electric scooters and segways for Ukrovermacht
    1. 0
      25 May 2022 12: 46
      Quote: DeGreen
      And you can also use electric scooters for Ukrovermacht
      They have small wheels. I don’t know if now you can even ride them in the center of Kyiv, you need to give Zelensky one and a big clown nose in the form of a fly agaric.
  8. 0
    25 May 2022 05: 30
    but the army is handing it over for free. Production and supplies are said to be paid for by collecting donations.

    so for free or at the expense of "donations"?
  9. +10
    25 May 2022 05: 37
    Wrote the text is not a cyclist.
    I am a cyclist. What kind of load on the frame can we talk about if they are two-suspension on shock absorbers? All this is compensated by shock absorbers.
    The electric motor is silent. The thermal imager will not see it.
    Only the sound of tires is heard - it buzzes when you drive on asphalt. And you can get rid of it if you change the tires from mud to bald. Of course, grip will deteriorate, but if you drive on asphalt, this is not a problem.
    An electric bike is very suitable for sabotage tasks.
    He flew silently at night to the rear, had a nightmare and left.
    So do not underestimate, a very formidable thing.
    I do not understand those who write they say it will explode from fragments. Before throwing a grenade (well, or another explosive device), you must first locate the target, classify, and use the weapon. It is unlikely that you will see and hear them at night.
    1. +3
      25 May 2022 06: 17
      The electric motor is silent. The thermal imager will not see it.

      Yep, it doesn't get hot.
      1. 0
        25 May 2022 08: 45
        It heats up, even like, the motor is not 100% efficient, there is heat dissipation during movement, well, the battery, no matter how you shield it, this heating is inevitable during operation. Many bodies have a thermal signature, metal and plastic have different thermal characteristics. Therefore, even when this apparatus is not moving, it is easily identified by a good greenhouse. About charging I support previous speakers, it is very doubtful to charge this. On the other hand, Switzerland had and possibly has bicycle troops. Hyper-reliable bicycles have been in operation there for many decades, including those with a cardan instead of a gear price.
      2. +2
        25 May 2022 10: 22
        Quote: NKVD Commissioner
        it doesn't heat up

        A low heating temperature does not give a strong IR glow. It doesn't really stand out from the human background. Do not compare with the technology on the internal combustion engine, which sparkles like a Christmas tree.
    2. +3
      25 May 2022 08: 57
      at night on a bike, you can screw up sourly and the task will not be completed
      1. 0
        25 May 2022 12: 03
        With night vision devices, you can drive at a low speed without any problems, and if you know the terrain, you can generally drive safely.
        I often drive like this at night without a flashlight.
        1. +2
          25 May 2022 17: 11
          This is until they ran into a stone, which they did not pay attention to during the day.
    3. -1
      25 May 2022 09: 26
      The most important thing in the comment is the CYCLER.
      1. The comment was deleted.
    4. +5
      25 May 2022 12: 15
      Quote: Stepych
      Of course, grip will deteriorate, but if you drive on asphalt, this is not a problem.

      Of course, after all, asphalt always leads to the rear of the enemy ... And there is no dirt .... at all ....
      You come from positions peaceful rides - here the situation is radically different. Basically different ...
      To make you drive 50 km through the mud on the road without light at night - and your inspiration will quickly end ....
      The night vision device does not give a sufficiently clear picture at such speeds, and the headlight on is a great excuse for the enemy to hammer out a machine gun

      To begin with - as part of the counteraction - it is quite enough to pull the barbed wire through the asphalt. 1 thread at a height of 1,2 m ..... Not only will you fall, you will also yell because the thorn will come to your upper chest, throat and head. At a speed of 30-50 mph, the thorns will work like knives ...
      Well, stretch marks are banal.
      1. 0
        25 May 2022 12: 27
        Golden words!
      2. 0
        26 May 2022 00: 20
        hi
        By the way, about stretch marks. I read an article about our electric bikes for the military, about two years ago. Here is the expediency of using them, just mine resistance. The type of anti-tank will not work (although it can dynamically press at speed, I think so), but he holds high-explosive anti-personnel ones, where the wheels are filled with something. Plus it's quiet.
        Although I wouldn't risk it laughing
        1. 0
          26 May 2022 05: 59
          Quote: Demon_is_ada
          The type of anti-tank will not work (although it can dynamically press at speed, I think so), but he holds high-explosive anti-personnel ones, where the wheels are filled with something.

          The weight is clearly over 100 kg far - soldier + bicycle + additional battery + machine gun + Javelin / grenade launcher / explosives ...
          So who the hell knows ... walking in minefields is such a thing ...
    5. +2
      25 May 2022 16: 41
      He flew silently at night to the rear, had a nightmare and left.

      Somehow everything just works out for you. Arrived ... to the rear ... How do you imagine it? On the way to? Security, cordon, etc. deaf, blind, dumb and armless? Or through ravines (at night, pits and at speed) landings, forests, etc.?
      The most effective remedy is on foot, where you need to crawl, slowly.
    6. +2
      25 May 2022 17: 33
      And you can also drive along the paths, or through the forest, that is, in places where the attack of equipment is not expected. You can take the drone with you and charge it repeatedly from the bike.
      You can take rations, a sniper rifle with you and organize a multi-day ambush. Thermal imager, grenade launcher, anti-tank mine, or sabotage mine.
      You can covertly pursue enemy vehicles or columns.
      You can take someone out secretly.
      Less chance of hitting a mine as there are only 2 wheels and they are narrow.
      It is easy to hide, quickly turns on and immediately rides.
      Inconspicuous, compared to any other technique.
      1. 0
        25 May 2022 18: 32
        Quote from Aist_M
        can you drive

        Quote from Aist_M
        Can take

        Quote from Aist_M
        Can be covertly

        Quote from Aist_M
        Can be taken out

        Can, can, can...
        The anecdote is that this device is not used, so it can be done anywhere in the armies of the world - except for country 404 ...
        1. 0
          25 May 2022 20: 28
          So this is a training ground for new weapons! In a couple of months there will be everything new that has not been used anywhere else! On https://topwar.ru every day there are new articles about this.
          Or do you disagree?
    7. 0
      2 August 2022 06: 53
      At night, it happens to be fired not only on the rustle, but also on the ball))
  10. +1
    25 May 2022 05: 48
    In addition, new bicycles do not need scarce gasoline.

    And for movement, they use the power of thought or fart gas. You can probably find a socket with 220 volts, but the charging time of several hours can not be compared with seconds to fill a gas tank. Well, it is much more reliable to carry a half-liter eggplant with NC gasoline with you than a battery that is "dead" at the most inopportune moment.
    1. -1
      25 May 2022 10: 39
      Quote: Nafanya from the couch
      And for movement, they use the power of thought or fart gas.

      Quit reading all sorts of fantasy already - nothing will come into your head ....
      Quote: Nafanya from the couch
      but the charging time of several hours is no match for the seconds to fill a gas tank.

      If you have everything in order and debugged, then in 2 hours (or, if necessary, faster or slower) charge. And not necessarily from the outlet. 220V transmission lines stretch along the roads and to small villages/farms.
      Quote: Nafanya from the couch
      Well, it is much more reliable to carry a half-liter eggplant with NC gasoline with you than a battery that is "dead" at the most inopportune moment.

      Are you afraid to get fried? It will drip, and you have synthetic shorts ...
      And the battery does not die without your knowledge, and the probability of "breaking down" in an internal combustion engine is much higher than in an electric bike.
      If a bicycle has two driving wheels that allow you to move in deep mud, its reliability is also duplicated.
      1. +4
        25 May 2022 13: 40
        220V transmission lines stretch along the roads and to small villages/farms.

        Adept of Greta Thunberg's sect! Before giving advice, try to personally connect to the 220 volt network, "stretching along the roads." Then you will know for sure that there is at least 6000 volts. But if you're lucky, then only 380 V. A voltage of 220 volts is obtained in an apartment / house, if you connect a load between one of the 380 V phases and the "zero" bus.
  11. +2
    25 May 2022 05: 53
    Electric bicycles for the Ukrainian army

    ***
    "Pedal until ..... not given" ...
    ***
  12. +1
    25 May 2022 06: 13
    Films about the Terminator were reviewed, comedians ...
  13. 0
    25 May 2022 06: 23
    Now you can create a new branch of the Bicycle Rifle Unit
  14. +1
    25 May 2022 06: 23
    And with what current and for how long is this miracle charged?
    1. 0
      25 May 2022 13: 02
      My 2400W scooter takes 11 hours to charge, with two charges 6 hours. You drive 70 km on it, people turn around for 100 meters - it howls like a trolley bus.
  15. -1
    25 May 2022 06: 24
    I heard in the bazaar that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are considering the supply of electric scooters and skateboards for tank and aviation troops, for use in strikes fellow laughing
  16. -3
    25 May 2022 06: 26
    Horror. We are already afraid. belay
  17. +8
    25 May 2022 06: 45
    I, too, despite the years, are a fan of a two-wheeled vehicle. There were at one time scooter companies, and the Mujahideen riveted the amers on mopeds (the very same one has an excellent car on the farm). Here, many began to nightmare the topic, I want to remind you that the main thing here is a warrior on a mote. And in some situations, you can do a lot. For example, drive up and .... At least run off very effectively. So let's not think here that stinks are still fools ... at one time, UAVs began with aircraft models! If I'm not mistaken, because the so-called Kalashnikov concern also showed electric motorcycles for the army, as I understood the issue of price and why the hell is it necessary in our conditions. But here the idea is not bad, in fact it is simplified and cheap!
    1. 0
      25 May 2022 18: 39
      Quote: lithium17
      For example, drive up and .... At least run off very effective

      Quote: Lechik2000
      My 2400W scooter takes 11 hours to charge, with two charges 6 hours.

      Yeah, it’s very convenient - just warn the RF Armed Forces so that they don’t attack until the battery is charged .... at least 5-6 hours ..

      The Mujahideen, unlike the Ukrainian Armed Forces of Ukraine, do not know how to cut budgets on garbage. They are practical ....
      Therefore, the United States drove on mopeds / mokiks / scooters ... gasoline ....
      1. 0
        25 May 2022 21: 02
        "Among the hated qualities of the enemy, his virtues are not the last." Jean Rost. Don't think it's stupid! Slavs know how to fight!
        1. +1
          25 May 2022 22: 11
          Quote: lithium17
          Don't think it's stupid!

          just the opposite..
          they clever - they sucked in crap that was not needed in the troops at a cost 3870 bucks apiece.Business and nothing personal..
          And the Armed Forces will sell them later .. or abandon them ...
          If Javelins worth like a cast-iron bridge are thrown, then an uncharged bike will be thrown 200%
          1. +2
            26 May 2022 05: 54
            that's what I'm talking about, we think that they will steal everything or leave .... And before that, they thought that they would meet us and they had all the junk ... which they sold! They are great, they fight beautifully, and they rallied qualitatively ... I (like everyone else) have many colleagues and relatives there, I don’t observe thieves and cowards! So you shouldn’t think like that, we also have a lot of things like that ... In Afghanistan, the Mujahideen beat with drills and other junk and washed off on donkeys ....
            1. 0
              26 May 2022 10: 37
              Quote: lithium17
              everyone will steal or leave

              That is abandoned Javelins / NLAVs - do not exist? Well ...
              Disabling them is a matter of seconds ...
              Nevertheless, there are a lot of them in trophies.

              Quote: lithium17
              thieves and cowards do not watch!

              Are there no thieves? And who was imprisoned there in the Moscow Region for the last 8 years? Ideological? Yeah, right now ....
              There are no underpants? It doesn’t happen like that in war - they are there from all sides. Always ..
              Thank God there are few ideological ones - mostly stubborn
              Ideological prisoners with trunks do not go ....
              But the stoned ones - who are fighting for power for personally - and they surrender, and the trunks are dragged into captivity and they can easily shoot at civilians.
              For the sake of power YOURSELF...
              All these Kalinas / Volyns / Radishes would be ideological - they would shoot themselves out of shame ...
              Even Wehrmacht officers shot - from the shame of captivity ...
              Quote: lithium17
              In Afghanistan, the Mujahideen beat with drills and other junk and washed off on donkeys ....
              - Do you know what is the global difference between Afghanistan and Ukraine?
              They don't make up their own story. They don’t need to prove that Mohammed was a Ukrainian ... It’s enough for them that he was ..
              And the population of Afghanistan, therefore, has always defended itself - and not anyone else's interests. They used imported help, no more. Without becoming a bedding and not getting into a pose ...
              And country 404...
              Do you think the Russian Federation would have gone to war, if not for all these wobbling of the facade in front of the USA, EU and NATO? Yes, for nothing !!
              They would also give money, buy products and so on. As with any authorities there until 2014 ...
      2. 0
        26 May 2022 09: 05
        Any normal battery is charged in an hour with a current of 1C, or any home-made battery in 2,5 hours with a current of 0.5C
        1. 0
          26 May 2022 10: 39
          Quote from Aist_M
          Any normal battery is charged in an hour with a current of 1C, or any home-made battery in 2,5 hours with a current of 0.5C

          The child's gyro scooter takes 4 hours to charge, enough for several kilometers.

          Quote: Lechik2000
          My 2400W scooter is charging 11 hours on two charges 6 hours. You drive 70 km on it, people turn around for 100 meters - it howls like a trolley bus.


          Even a normal phone for at least half an hour
          1. 0
            26 May 2022 19: 45
            I said normal! On all electric vehicles 1h = 80% charge.
            And in the scooter BU 18650, batteries and charging are 2a, that's why it rides and charges like that.
  18. 0
    25 May 2022 06: 47
    photo with a lion, is this a battery from the kit?
  19. +2
    25 May 2022 06: 58
    I agree with Lech from Android, a thing in the household is necessary, where it will soon end up - like foreign cars seized by banderlogs.
    At the enchanting eccentric fascist-Kim, in Nikolaev, a flying gang was formed from bikers, they gave volyns - crime will now be added to the existing one.
    The practical use of both pots on mopeds and pots on electric scooters is zero, the batteries have run out, kerosene will run out and EVERYTHING, the end of show-offs.
  20. MP
    +7
    25 May 2022 07: 03
    However, this is not an electric bike, but an electric moped. The author of the article got excited with a catchy title. There are no spare parts for the bike. And the weight of 70 kg is by no means bicycle. And light motorcycles are now very actively used by various gangs and irregular formations in Africa and Asia.
  21. 0
    25 May 2022 07: 06
    Quote: lithium17
    ... the Mujahideen riveted
    amers on mopeds

    belay
    These mopeds and shahid-carts from poverty, as soon as the opportunity arises, they are changed to normal armored vehicles.
    1. 0
      25 May 2022 07: 32
      True, the Americans abandoned their equipment ....
    2. +2
      25 May 2022 11: 38
      Quote: Gunter
      Quote: lithium17
      ... the Mujahideen riveted
      amers on mopeds

      belay
      These mopeds and shahid-carts from poverty, as soon as the opportunity arises, they are changed to normal armored vehicles.


      American, British and Russian special forces - tell it!
      They also ordered electric mopeds for themselves.
      Who 10 years ago, who 5 years ago ...
  22. +7
    25 May 2022 07: 06
    You can, of course, laugh, but it's better to think about what good the enemy has, which would be useful to us too. For example, here is the text from one of the tg channels:
    @Fighterbomber
    "Who owns the information - he owns the world." ©

    Ukrainians also have imba. Even a few.
    This imba has the common name ACS (automated control system), and more specifically, it is the Virazh-Tablet system and the Nettle system.

    "Virage - Tablet" is a Ukrainian program that displays online data on the air situation to the user on any laptop. A kind of flyradar.
    Data is entered into the system from anything. From combat radars of air defense systems, RTV locators, dispatch locators, and I suspect that data from NATO Avaks and RTR aircraft can also be thrown onto it.
    For data transmission, the simplest radio modems are used and the Internet, with which, thanks to Elon Musk and his Starlink, Ukrainians have no problems at all. ("Starlink", unequivocally, the third imba among Ukrainians).
    Thanks to this system, the type of target, the course and flight altitude of our strike groups are promptly issued to the calculations and air defense crews, and the air defense systems with MANPADS calculations are deployed to the desired azimuth and wait for the targets to enter their affected area without turning on radiation, that is, remaining invisible to missile launchers and electronic warfare systems of aircraft and helicopters almost until the moment of launch.
    Due to its compactness and mobility, this system can provide any calculation of air defense forces and, of course, infantry.

    The second system is similar in principle. This is a mobile application "Nettle". Everything is even simpler there, this is a program that anyone can download for themselves (at present, the number of downloads has exceeded lam). It can be installed on any smartphone or tablet and allows infantry and artillery in real time (thanks to the free Internet from Elon) to indicate on the electronic map the tactical situation, targets, plan strikes, set targets for attack, quickly take accurate coordinates and distribute targets for attacks between divisions.
    That is, the operator of any UAV raises his "Fury", fires our couple of tanks and instantly bumps their coordinates in the "Nettle" indicating where, who, what and how much.
    This information is instantly displayed on the smartphone of the artillery battery commander, who, having estimated the range to the target, immediately strikes.
    It does not reach in range itself, the target is taken by another battery.

    And to strike (I understand that it’s impossible to believe it right away, and now many officers will throw their banned smartphone at the wall shouting “Lies !!!”) he does not need to call Kyiv and wait for the meeting to end.

    Well, the bold plus of the program is that any user always has a clear idea of ​​where his troops are, where they are strangers, with an accuracy of up to a meter.

    Yes, you don’t need to download and install it, because Ukrainians have full access to all data, and if you think that by downloading it you will see the battle formations of Ukrainians, then you are very much mistaken.

    What I could have corrected the non-normative ...
    1. 0
      25 May 2022 18: 45
      Quote: moscowp
      Well, the bold plus of the program is that any user always has a clear idea of ​​where his troops are, where they are strangers, with an accuracy of up to a meter.

      Open source software can be hacked....
      And then OWN art will hit OWN tanks ...
      And the coolest thing is that no one forbids us to use these stray from prisoners ..
      Well, of course - if they don’t put a mark: "Well, that's it, I went into captivity ..."
      1. -3
        25 May 2022 18: 59
        Open source software can be hacked....
        And then OWN art will hit OWN tanks ...

        Have you already hacked or are you just showing your imagination here? Don't answer, it was a rhetorical question and I definitely don't want to argue with a person who writes in capital letters
        1. 0
          25 May 2022 21: 59
          Quote: moscowp
          I definitely don't want to argue with a person

          and I'm with you..
          I expressed my opinion, no more
          Quote: your1970
          no one forbids us to use these stray from prisoners. Well, of course - if they don’t put a mark: "Well, that's it, I went into captivity ..."
  23. -4
    25 May 2022 07: 24
    It seems to me that battery washing machines in the war are more necessary for "Sivolaps" (they will wash their own pants faster after the work of Russian cities)!
  24. -1
    25 May 2022 08: 36
    I don’t even understand how they are going to charge them. Another waste of money for unnecessary crap.
    1. 0
      25 May 2022 13: 51
      "how are they going to charge them" elementary Watson. There are diesel generators, and in the rear you can find an electrical outlet. Many bikes come with replaceable batteries.
      The neighbors have a tricycle "farmer" + the cheapest replaceable battery and this is enough for them for 5 days!
  25. -1
    25 May 2022 08: 39
    Problems and profits. Electric bikes for the Ukrainian army

    Does the factory ask for "Caliber"?
  26. +3
    25 May 2022 08: 58
    Basically something useful. Especially for intelligence units. Now the armies use motorcycles or ATVs for these purposes. They are also good, but the power supply is still quieter than an internal combustion engine and does not give such contrast in the infrared spectrum. Concerning the power supply of the battery. Firstly, you can think of a unified charging system so that you can recharge from any of your equipment (from armored vehicles to tanks and trucks). And secondly, to equip such an electric bike with pedals. When the battery discharged, we begin to pedal and ride like a regular bike. Moreover, we charge the battery itself a little (especially if the Dynamo is integrated into the wheel, then it will be charged while the wheel is spinning). Or even create a hybrid. Where there is a small internal combustion engine for "marching" movement. Fast, long and noisy. But it needs fuel. And by turning on the internal combustion engine, it will be possible to charge the battery faster. Then comes the battery for Quiet "reconnaissance" movement. Slow down and not so far away, but quiet without revealing warmth. You can also charge some kind of electronic equipment from the batteries, if available. And a pedal "reserve" path. The slowest and requiring the efforts of the soldier himself. But on the other hand, it does not require any fuel and is the quietest of all. And while you're pedaling, you're also charging the battery. And in case of damage to the batteries and internal combustion engines, you do not lose transport. Cycling is still faster than walking.
  27. +4
    25 May 2022 10: 22
    Again "useless" and Ryabov ...
  28. -1
    25 May 2022 10: 42
    does not unmask itself in the infrared spectrum.

    Here I would argue. At full load, this battery is hot as a bastard, not like an internal combustion engine, but hot
  29. 0
    25 May 2022 10: 48
    70 kg is great! It's more of a light bike. And pedal on such a heavy unit, and uphill when the electricity runs out. Silence advantage. But if you think over the muffler for a light enduro, it will not be much louder, but you can fill in gasoline quickly and wherever the canister is buried. And it takes a long time to charge the battery and only where electricity is available ...
    We have one biker from our motorcycle club (by the way, my grandfather is 70 years old) bought himself an ordinary off-road hardtail and installed a KIT for an electric bike. Velik became heavier not much. Power reserve 50 km on the highway. Then recharging. He says that it’s the best thing to come to me on this bike to drink moonshine. On a motorcycle, the license will be immediately withdrawn for driving while intoxicated. But for serious rides, he prefers his Africa twin ...
  30. +2
    25 May 2022 10: 49
    In general, the concept is good. Small size .. stealth and noiselessness and, as a result, a quick delivery of a fighter to any destination ... well, almost any .. yes, and it’s easy to hide in the bushes. And as for strength in combat conditions ..... then even if this bike lasts 10 trips, that is, 10 raids, then this is already the result and the dead Russian soldiers.
  31. -2
    25 May 2022 10: 50
    The Italians had scooter troops during World War II.
    The contribution to their combat potential of the Italian army is unknown.
    And Fedor Poletaev (Poetano, as his comrades called him) became the hero of the Italian partisan movement. No scooter.
    But the bike is a thing! As an Italian named Tinto B. again managed to show. But not for military use.
  32. -3
    25 May 2022 10: 52
    One entrepreneur in Latvia boasted that his company sent such units to Ukraine. Very soon the message about this commercial success disappeared. Isn't it time to bomb suppliers a little?
    1. +1
      25 May 2022 11: 39
      Quote: iouris
      One entrepreneur in Latvia boasted that his company sent such units to Ukraine. Very soon the message about this commercial success disappeared. Isn't it time to bomb suppliers a little?

      Come on, drop a couple of bombs on Latvia...
      What is really there.
      1. 0
        25 May 2022 22: 49
        Why (only) to Latvia? There's a whole line waiting to be reprimanded or retaliated against.
  33. +4
    25 May 2022 11: 54
    Well, well, another article in the series "let's throw hats!". Meanwhile,
    - there are no problems in assembling products from imported components in Ukraine. There are no sanctions, imports are working, everything is being actively shipped across the border. That is, the presence of imported (a priori, good quality) components is not a disadvantage, but an advantage of technology
    - electric transport is structurally simpler, and therefore more reliable than analogues on internal combustion engines. If a motorcycle can be effectively used for military purposes, then an electric motorcycle can even more so. Quite simple and "cannibalism", quick replacement of damaged elements with working ones from another instance
    - ease of operation, no need for complex maintenance. Cleaning and 220V will ensure the long service life of the units

    As for the prices, but we see on the example of commercial drones and their artisanal modifications that dozens (or even hundreds!) Of times cheaper equipment shows itself to be quite applicable in modern warfare. It is also possible to bring the strength and reliability of the design of electric vehicles to military standards in the garage, if the donor is initially chosen with a head.

    It remains to closely monitor the development of effective tactics for the use of electric vehicles, with an emphasis on the advantages - noiselessness, absence of an infrared trace, unpretentiousness. For DRG, I think that's it! The supply of ammunition is also the lot of electric vehicles, and better than unmanned ones.

    We will see ...
  34. 0
    25 May 2022 13: 32
    Comrades, the author is partly right, and partly I argue with him.
    "cross-country" with similar tires and spokes, he will freely "run" on the intersection.
    Load limit :100-120kg. If you put a dystrophic behind the wheel, + this same Stinger or "roofbreaker" and quite 70-80 km.
    And if you plant an ambal, an AK with a hundred rounds ..
    Naturally, in no case can they replace a car, but for a DRG it is very convenient.
    Comrades, think, food, ammunition, weapons and armor. I sat on a similar "atom" and drove off. A lot of Skoda in the rear do
  35. -1
    25 May 2022 16: 37
    A little while later..

    1. 0
      26 May 2022 14: 02
      And where will the ukrovoyaks get so much tiberium?!
  36. 0
    25 May 2022 18: 38
    A bike in the field is a bad choice, but the APU is just right, let them carry these bikes on themselves when the battery runs out.
  37. 0
    25 May 2022 22: 27
    Hezbollah has been very successful in using off-road motorcycles
    against the Israeli army in Lebanon in 2006.
    Not a single accurate rocket had time to destroy such a motorcyclist.
    Too fast and agile.
    The only downside is the noise.
    And the electric bike is devoid of this drawback.
  38. 0
    24 June 2022 11: 24
    In principle, a good thing, but the declared characteristics are, most likely, overestimated. The problem with the ability to quickly recharge where the E-bike is located. Such devices are bulky and expensive. Otherwise, hours of immobility..
  39. 0
    6 July 2022 11: 44
    It's amazing how this article passed me by ... I have no complaints about the article itself. Everyone can speak. But in fact, an electric bike is an ordinary cut of the military budget. Some workshops and suppliers of Chinese components will improve their financial situation in Ukraine. Well, let. Bicycle, not a gun and not a tank. Any coming out warrior, as soon as he receives this "pepelats", the very first thing he will take care of is writing off / losing it, in order to send it home by New Mail. In war, these toys are completely useless! Here, some describe the actions of special forces on bicycles:) Are you serious?
    It is easier to just walk along the crossroads than to ride a bicycle. It is interesting to observe how, in the rear of the enemy, for example, they move secretly with a bicycle in the forest ?! Now there are many videos of the actions of the troops of both sides, imagine everything that we see, but with a bicycle in hand. The main advantage of an ordinary bicycle is that, with its own sometimes negligible weight, it adds mobility and is not dependent on energy sources. It has nothing to do with e-bikes.