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Francis Drake's last operations

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In articles Anglo-Spanish War 1585–1604 Equipment of the invincible squadron и Invincible armada. "The Lord blew and they scattered" we talked about the outbreak in 1585 of the Anglo-Spanish War. About the equipment of the Great and Most Glorious Armada, the failures that pursued the Spaniards and their battles with the English fleet in the English Channel and the Pas de Calais. Today we will continue and finish this story.


English Armada


After the withdrawal of the Spanish fleet, the British were euphoric, and very soon they convinced themselves that they had won a great victory. As a result, it was decided to send their own fleet on a "return visit", which was called the "English Armada" (or Counterarmada). Wealthy Dutch merchants and wealthy "royal pirates", including Francis Drake, also took part in financing this expedition. The English Armada was supposed to destroy the Spanish fleet of the Atlantic Ocean, ruin and plunder the Spanish colonies of the West Indies, "privatize" the galleons of the "silver convoys" coming from the New World, capture the Azores and create a permanent base of the English fleet on them. And at the same time organize an anti-Spanish uprising in Portugal in order to bring to power an unsuccessful pretender - António of Crato, the illegitimate son of Infante Luis and the illegitimate nephew of the last Portuguese king, whom we mentioned in the first article.

Francis Drake's last operations
Anthony I of Portugal

Francis Drake was appointed commander of the English Armada, the landing units were led by General John Norris. Under the command of Drake were 6 fighting royal galleons, 60 English and Dutch armed merchant ships, about 20 pinnaces.


Francis Drake on an engraving by R. Elstrake, XNUMXth century

First, the city of A Coruña was attacked, in the harbor of which 13 ships were burned.


La Coruña, monument to Maria Pita, defender of the city, whose husband was killed by the British

It was not possible to completely capture the city. After losing many people, the British and Dutch went to sea. Even less success awaited the English Armada in an attempt to capture Lisbon. Drake then tried to explain his failure by the lack of heavy guns. But according to the old pirate habit, Drake began to seize French merchant ships, which caused discontent even in London: production is, of course, good, but the British scored a lot of loans in France. Elizabeth had to apologize.

And Drake was getting worse and worse. Among the crew members of his ships, more and more patients became sick, disappointed English and Dutch "privateers" left his squadron one by one. As a result, a decision was made to return, and on the way back, the English Armada practically repeated the fate of the Spanish: if 14 ships were lost in battles, then more than 20 sank during storms. Up to 15 thousand people were killed and died from various diseases. Drake's merits were appreciated: he was demoted to the post of commander of the coastal defense of the city of Plymouth and did not go to sea for 6 years. He was remembered only in 1595. Things were not going well with the British, an uprising began in Ireland in Ulster, there were no successes at sea, and the treasury was completely empty.

The Last Campaign of Francis Drake



Drake on a British postage stamp

To get hold of money, Elizabeth decided to send her fleet to plunder the Spanish possessions in the West Indies a little. "Royal Pirate" Drake, who had a lot of practical experience in these matters, seemed like an ideal candidate for the role of commander. His assistants were no less experienced pirate and privateer, and now Admiral John Hawkins (Drake's cousin) and General Thomas Baskerville, appointed commander of the landing units. Missing big things, Drake planned to capture Jamaica, create an English base on the Isthmus of Panama and asked for 100 ships and 15 thousand soldiers for this campaign. However, the Spaniards made a very successful demonstration that convinced the British that the enemy had plans to invade the British Isles. To do this, they needed only four galleys with 400 soldiers aboard Carlos de Amisguta as commander of this daring expedition. On July 23, 1595, the Spaniards who landed on the coast captured the small town of Pola, and three hours later they attacked Penzance, where the residence of the Lord Lieutenant of Cornwall, Francis Godolphin, was located. Having plundered the city, the Spaniards calmly went to sea. Panic reigned in Cornwall, anxiety gripped all of England. Queen Elizabeth, frightened by the daring actions of the Spanish landing, allocated far fewer ships and soldiers for the campaign in the West Indies. Drake received 6 royal galleons, 21 private ships and 42 transport ships. The crews of the ships consisted of one and a half thousand sailors and officers, the number of landing teams was about three thousand people.

On August 28, Drake's fleet left Plymouth and approached the island of Gran Canaria on October 4. Here, the first failure awaited the British: the attack on the city of Las Palmas was repulsed with heavy losses. It was necessary to make a stop on the uninhabited island of La Gomera, where water supplies were replenished and the damaged ships were repaired. And the governor of the island of Gran Canaria sent messages about the movement of the Drake squadron to Cadiz and Vera Cruz.

Drake's squadron arrived in the Caribbean in early November. From the stories of local fishermen, the British learned that the large galleon "Nuestra Señora de Begonia", heading from Havana to Spain with a cargo of silver and colonial goods worth 3 million pesos, got into a storm and was forced to get up for repairs in the bay of the city of San Juan on island of Puerto Rico. It was hard to imagine a more desirable prey, but Don Pedro Telles de Guzman, the governor of Guadeloupe, was in the way of Drake. He built there five 16-gun ships of a new type: with a narrowed hull and large-caliber artillery pieces on the upper deck, they carried oblique sails on two masts, and straight sails on the third. On November 11, these ships, having entered into battle with 9 English ships, boarded the barque Francis and put the rest of the ships to flight.

November 13 Guzman came to San Juan, taking over the functions of commander in chief. The Golden Galleon was unloaded and scuttled along the fairway along with several other ships, its crew took up positions on the shore. 6 batteries were also arranged here, Guzman's ships stood along the coast in the shape of the letter "V". Drake's squadron approached on November 22, with the captains of some vessels inadvertently anchoring them too close to Fort San Felippe del Morro. Almost all of them were destroyed by the fire of large-caliber guns of the fort. The British lost up to 400 people, among them were John Hawkins, the captain of the Adventure ship Brown and the authoritative privateer Nicholas Clifford. Drake attempted an amphibious landing, failed, and left Puerto Rico on November 25. Don Pedro Guzmán distributed the cargo of the sunken galleon among his ships and delivered it safely to Cadiz. And Drake, realizing that he would not be forgiven for failure, in desperation attacked the Spanish cities of the Isthmus of Panama. The sailors of his ships and the soldiers of the landing units suffered from scurvy and dysentery, the squadron was losing strength, there was no success. The resistance to Drake was led by the former governor of Chile, Alonso de Sotomayor, who was about to sail to Spain, but was now forced to delay.


Don Alonso de Sotomayor

He worked extremely well. In clashes with his detachment, General Thomas Baskerville was wounded in the stomach, and on January 28, 1596, Drake died of dysentery on his ship near Portobelo.


The sea burial of Francis Drake on the bas-relief of the monument at Tavistock. In fact, it is claimed that Drake's body in full dress was thrown overboard in a wooden coffin.

And here is the monument itself in Tavistock:


On the bas-reliefs of the pedestal, you can see how Drake, playing bowls, receives news of the appearance of the Invincible Armada near Plymouth (this was described in a previous article) and his knighting by Queen Elizabeth.

In addition to two admirals - Drake and Hawkins, by this time the British had lost 15 captains of various ships, 22 officers of landing teams, about one and a half thousand sailors and soldiers. At the council of war it was decided to return to England. To repair the ships and prepare them for a long voyage, the squadron stood at the island of Pinos, located near Cuba.

Meanwhile, a squadron was urgently formed in Lisbon under the command of Bernardino Avelaneda and Juan Gutierrez de Garibay. It consisted of 23 ships, including 8 galleons. The squadron sailed to the Caribbean with orders to find and destroy Drake's fleet.

On March 7, 1596, the first collision took place with two English ships, which were heavily damaged, but managed to get away. On March 11, the rest of the English ships were also discovered, which were just leaving the bay of the island of Pinos. The Spaniards captured two enemy ships, losing one of their own, which collided with an English galleon. Avalaneda chased the British to the Bahamas and then returned to Cuba. On the way, the Spaniards captured the lagging English pinnace "Little Exchange", commanded by John Cross. General Thomas Baskerville with the remnants of the squadron (8 ships in total) returned to Plymouth on 29 May. During this campaign, three thousand Englishmen died. Financial losses were estimated at 100 thousand pounds.

Completion and results of the Anglo-Spanish War


After the childless French king Henry III was killed by the Dominican monk Jacques Clement in 1589, Philip II tried to subdue France as well. At first, he supported Cardinal Charles de Bourbon, Archbishop of Rouen, proclaimed king by the Catholic League under the name of Charles X (he did not rule the country, but was recognized by the Parlement of Paris, and the Catholic League minted coins in his name).


Coins of the Catholic League depicting Charles X

The war began between the Catholic League, which proclaimed Charles X king, and the Huguenots, led by Henry of Navarre. The Spaniards, although the war was not declared, supported the Catholics, and Alessandro Farnese inflicted a number of defeats on the supporters of Henry of Navarre. After the death of Charles of Bourbon, Philip II even nominated his daughter from Henry III's older sister Elizabeth, Isabella, as a contender for the French throne.


Portrait of the Infanta Isabella Clara Eugenia by Sofonisba Anguissola (native of Cremona, artist and court lady of the third wife of Philip II, Elizabeth of Valois)

Of course, the Salic law of France did not allow the succession to the throne by women, and Elizabeth of Valois, entering into marriage, renounced her rights to the throne in writing - both for herself and for her descendants. However, the legitimate claimant to the throne, King Henry of Navarre, was a Protestant, while the vast majority of the French professed Catholicism. Therefore, Philip believed that he had a chance of success.

It is difficult to say how this struggle would have ended if Henry had not changed his faith (“Paris is worth a mass” - remember?). Earlier (in 1585) he was excommunicated, and Pope Clement VIII did not recognize the ceremony of his reunion with the Catholic Church, held on July 25, 1593 in the Basilica of Saint-Denis by the Archbishop of Bourges Renaud de Beaune. And therefore, even having been crowned (February 27, 1594), Henry IV continued to be an illegitimate ruler in the eyes of many French Catholics. I had to negotiate with the Vatican, which continued until the autumn of 1595. At a ceremony held on 17 September, du Perron and d'Ossa, who represented Heinrich, received several symbolic blows with a penitential baton.


Engraving by J. Grantome or L. Gaultier depicting the ceremony of receiving Henry in absentia into the bosom of the Holy Roman Church on September 17, 1595 (circa 1600)

After that, the case of Philip II in France was, in general, lost, especially since after the death of Farnese, the Spaniards did not have a commander equal to him in talents. However, the war between Spain and France, officially declared only in January 1595, continued until May 1598. And on September 13 of the same year, Philip II died in Escorial, built on his orders in the desornamentado ("unadorned") style. This complex was then calleda palace for God and a shack for a king”, half of modern architects speak of it as the “eighth wonder of the world”, the rest consider it an “architectural nightmare”.


Escorial

And the war between Spain and England lasted until 1604 and ended in a "draw": none of the countries acquired new territories, Spain refused to support the English Catholics, England refused to help the Protestants of the Netherlands.

The Peace of London, which ended this war, was signed when Spain and England were already ruled by new kings - Philip III and James I.
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  1. 28st region
    28st region 26 May 2022 04: 18
    +6
    Hmm. That's the kind of life she is. He drove everyone and everything across the seas and oceans, but died from garbage
    1. VicktorVR
      VicktorVR 26 May 2022 05: 44
      +2
      There and the road.
  2. Catfish
    Catfish 26 May 2022 04: 44
    +13
    Good morning friends! smile
    I, as "not a rabid Anglophobe", express my gratitude to Valery for the interesting story told here. Poor, poor Sir Francis Drake -- sic transit gloria mundi. request But still ... it was necessary to retire on time, fortune, too, you know, sometimes gets tired of patronizing the same hero, she also loves diversity.
    A couple of images in addition to Valery's text.
    Landing of the Spaniards in Cornwall

    Spanish galley comes to port
    1. depressant
      depressant 26 May 2022 07: 55
      +6
      Poor, poor Sir Francis Drake -- sic transit gloria mundi.

      So let's fill the glasses with freshly squeezed lemon juice and drink to the fact that historians will finally begin to distort the cause of Drake's death!
      Good morning Kostya, good morning everyone! )))
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 26 May 2022 08: 09
        +5
        Good morning, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!

        A cup of tea with lemon is for Francis Drake.
        1. depressant
          depressant 26 May 2022 08: 54
          +5
          Once upon a time, in the good old days, when the moon was still a piece of real cheese, Polish children came up with the Order of the Smile. Once it was presented on the stage of the Central Puppet Theater of the glorious city of Moscow to its director, Sergei Obraztsov. To confirm the fidelity of the award, the nominee had to immediately drink a glass of lemon juice and did not wince. Well, I drank it without grimacing. Maybe that's why he lived a long time and worked for the joy of everyone ...
          Today's pirates eat fruit. Drake didn't know how to live right wassat )))
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 26 May 2022 08: 59
            +7
            "Flashed before my eyes
            Many lives in a short moment...
            Who is brave here - take a chance yourself
            Giving away your debts.
            Let's drink to give vent to feelings
            Tea with lemon and pure alcohol ... "(c).
            1. depressant
              depressant 26 May 2022 09: 31
              +6
              Oh how romantic! )))
              I'll add my share of skepticism.
              "British scientists have discovered an interesting pattern: 86% of pirates do not have one eye on the side of the shoulder on which the parrot sits" (c)
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 26 May 2022 12: 48
                +5
                Safety precautions must be observed when dealing with wild parrots.
                1. Fat
                  Fat 26 May 2022 17: 03
                  +4
                  You just need to feed accordingly. laughing
                  otherwise they themselves died out from scurvy and left left-handed lumps to the fighting parrots ... Have you ever seen a Bird that has gone bald from ups and downs? I saw one gray "talker" Who knows why life did not work out for him in central Russia, the unfortunate one, when this bird frame "served" in the GSVG-ZGV - everything was fine. Millet wrong system?
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 26 May 2022 18: 15
                    +3
                    Exactly. Personnel - to feed. Including parrots.
                  2. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 26 May 2022 19: 46
                    +4
                    Millet wrong system?
                    They need to be fed fruits and vegetables. Nuts - in small quantities, because in captivity they cannot fly to their heart's content and, accordingly, their liver gets fat. Something like this.
                    By the way, a hyacinth macaw can bite a wooden mop handle.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 26 May 2022 20: 35
                      +2
                      And kea, according to rumors, beats a sheep with a blow of its beak.
                      1. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 26 May 2022 20: 42
                        +4
                        That's why she and a sheep wassat . This is unlikely, but the same macaw opens the coconut at a time. And macadamia nuts crack open cockatoos, which are not easy to open with a hammer. In Brazil, monkeys with crippled arms sometimes come across, wanting to eat eggs. By the way, large parrots are quite aggressive.
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 26 May 2022 20: 52
                        +3
                        I, deep down, always believed that parrots are slightly degenerated pterodactyls.)))
                      3. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 26 May 2022 20: 58
                        +4
                        slightly degenerated pterodactyls.
                        These are geese yes Parrots - in a past life were politicians laughing .
                      4. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 26 May 2022 21: 01
                        +3
                        Yeah, and helicopters are the souls of dead tanks.
                      5. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 26 May 2022 21: 04
                        +3
                        Previously, Apaches sometimes patrolled London in pairs. Why, I don't know. Probably to show where the taxes go.
                      6. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 26 May 2022 21: 07
                        +2
                        You haven’t been to Barcelona, ​​they just don’t patrol on hang gliders there.
                      7. Fat
                        Fat 26 May 2022 21: 21
                        +2
                        There was simply fuel until the wells in the north began to fail. Who knows, maybe these flights are like Validemin for the trade unionists laughing
                      8. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 26 May 2022 21: 36
                        +3
                        wells in the north did not start to fail
                        It was like in the 2010s. Wells on the Scottish shelf grunted earlier.
                    2. Fat
                      Fat 26 May 2022 21: 03
                      +3
                      Well, yes, if you remember in what conditions Yeltsin placed the withdrawn troops, there the officers, or even the families, had a very difficult time. I remember, but my memory is bad, it fails me, I write it down.
                      Do not forgive, do not cancel ....
                      1. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 26 May 2022 21: 06
                        +4
                        And I remember how the troops were withdrawn from Liepaja. Misters officers in the cars intended for military equipment shoved foreign cars from dumps of Sweden.
                      2. Fat
                        Fat 26 May 2022 21: 36
                        +4
                        I won’t argue, my friend Alex, But after the withdrawal of the helicopter regiment to Kostroma, nothing but a dozen longboats and lame Volkswagens appeared.
                        Koreans - a couple of years later.
                        People lived in 5 in one dorm room. Many families broke up ... I don’t even want to remember - it hurts. Those were my friends...
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 26 May 2022 21: 41
                        +4
                        Well, they did the right thing, at that time you couldn’t get hold of an officer’s salary. And in Soviet times it was generally in the order of things. My friend went as a menee on the Vityaz and they had an agreement - everyone could buy a used car and bring it on a ship to the Union, when his turn came up, he bought a Toyota GT at a flea market in Amsterdam, from her all in all, the fender liner rusted, the car was repaired in Moscow., a friend sold it, bought himself a cooperative apartment and a Zhigul, and without a Japanese woman, our simple MNS would not have shone to the grave. So there is nothing to blame our officers for - you will not take care of yourself, you will be left without pants. Don't rely on the state. laughing
                      4. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 26 May 2022 21: 45
                        +3
                        At that time, cars of the third freshness were already being transported to Latvia by ferries for cheap (very cheap), and how much army property remained in warehouses, the Latvians were very surprised.
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish 26 May 2022 22: 50
                        +4
                        and how much army property remained in warehouses-


                        The state should have had a headache about this, but it didn’t care about its people, what can we say about some kind of property.
                      6. Fat
                        Fat 26 May 2022 23: 19
                        +2
                        When he served as a civilian, he allowed himself to reproach his attached chest of drawers for not going to work on time.
                        He, an Armenian, answered very clearly.
                        "The rich state will not notice"
                        When others start talking about "axioms" and "budget cuts", their hands involuntarily reach for the high-pressure valve... Burn it? - no, screw it with bitumen under 170-200 .. and that’s all for an accident at work am
                      7. Catfish
                        Catfish 27 May 2022 00: 39
                        +1
                        "Accident" with the authorities is sometimes very helpful. bully

              2. Catfish
                Catfish 26 May 2022 21: 20
                +2
                there is no eye from the side of the shoulder on which the parrot sits"


                There were also exceptions with "wrong parrots". wink

              3. Sergey Tankist
                Sergey Tankist 27 May 2022 16: 57
                0
                Oh those British scientists...
        2. Fat
          Fat 26 May 2022 16: 52
          +3
          hi I have been very cold in recent days, the heating was turned off, so a glass of tea and a cup of cognac, even without lemon - fire smile
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 26 May 2022 18: 16
            +3
            Spring is unusually late this year. The lilac hasn't bloomed yet.
      2. lisikat2
        lisikat2 26 May 2022 12: 34
        +5
        Lyudmila Yakovlevna, hello. I don't like lemon juice.
        Yesterday I bought Masandra
        1. depressant
          depressant 26 May 2022 13: 53
          +1
          Hello Katya!)))
          But Massandra is wine! wassat )))
          1. lisikat2
            lisikat2 26 May 2022 15: 18
            +3
            Naturally. And it’s convenient to “sin” under it: tired - they missed a glass and went back to bed
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 26 May 2022 21: 37
              +2
              Bravo, Katya!
            2. depressant
              depressant 26 May 2022 22: 00
              0
              Naturally. And it’s convenient to “sin” under it: tired - they missed a glass and went back to bed


              Katya, come on, you will no longer post the details of your intimate life on the forum. For example, it’s embarrassing for me to read such things, not that upbringing. I have been at VO for the fourth year now, but I have not seen such revelations. People understand that they are on a public platform, and there is a certain limit to frankness. Have mercy on someone else's modesty!
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 26 May 2022 22: 05
                +1
                Envy silently!
            3. Catfish
              Catfish 26 May 2022 22: 39
              +1
              missed a glass and back to bed

              We have been using this "recipe since the sixties: port wine - girl - bed. fellow True, they often did without the third ingredient, but the first two are required. wink
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 26 May 2022 08: 08
      +4
      And what was Drake doing "in retirement"? Do not let go of the usual way of life.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 26 May 2022 08: 17
        +6
        As one of Heinlein's characters used to say: once you have entered the Road of Valor and Glory, it is impossible to leave it.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 26 May 2022 08: 49
          +4
          Or our well-known proverb about a black dog. Although valor and glory sounds more beautiful. However, it seems that these are all varieties of the Tao.
          1. depressant
            depressant 26 May 2022 13: 56
            +2
            There is no sadder story in the world about how the Tao killed Drake in the toilet! wassat )))
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 26 May 2022 14: 46
              +4
              Do you think the scaffold would have made him more happy?
              1. depressant
                depressant 26 May 2022 14: 52
                +2
                It so happened that the scaffold is more honorable than the toilet bowl. Even the kings did not hesitate.
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 26 May 2022 15: 07
                  +5
                  Take ten random kings - and let them choose. The results may surprise you.
                  1. depressant
                    depressant 26 May 2022 15: 25
                    +2
                    To surprise me, but not to please the kings when they find out what they signed up for. You know, in some cases, a person sitting on the toilet tends to pray: "Lord, send me death, because these pains are unbearable!"
                    Do you think dysentery is just a continuous bowel movement accompanied by dehydration? Not! It is a torture of cruel pain, stretched out in time.
                    And then there is the enemy to the fortress walls bases. One can only sympathize.
                    Execution is one time, and that's it. There was a head, there was no head.
                    1. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 26 May 2022 15: 29
                      +2
                      As Comrade Sukhov said: “It’s better, of course, to suffer” (c).
        2. Fat
          Fat 26 May 2022 17: 37
          +2
          hi Hello Anton. How do you wear Seto (wakizashi)? behind the belt?
          Glory road is a luxurious thing, but not for my age. Simplicity is worse than theft. When I was up to 35, the book was always within the "to flip through" At the turn of the century, all romance remained driven into the depths. Cynical pragmatism took its place. Actually, the choice of literature has changed.
          Finally (just a week ago) I found a thing that struck me then. In 93, I bought a collection in which there was a story in the spirit of an alternative reality by F. Dick (The Man in the High Castle), "Another Sky" by Lazarchuk. If not in your collection I will be happy to share.
          "Impossible to get off it" - this is extremely harsh and not always... KHM...
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 26 May 2022 17: 46
            +2
            Hello Borisych!
            Due to the fact that Kolya gave the katana promised to me to another person, I get by with a "bastard".
            And Lazarchuk's story was later reworked by him into the novel "All Capable of Holding Weapons."
            I'll look in my rubble.
            1. Fat
              Fat 26 May 2022 18: 50
              +2
              Just keep in mind that "another sky" is the first exercise in a trilogy yes The rest is already circles from a stone thrown into the water, a story written in 91. I'll reread it carefully. The paper version, unfortunately, was lost, presented to my nephew ... I hope it was useful. I already found the "original source" according to the words "abbrutin-buratin" almost by accident recourse
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 26 May 2022 18: 57
                +1
                "Make him a Pinocchio."
                - I'm doing it, commander "(C)
                1. Fat
                  Fat 26 May 2022 22: 05
                  +2
                  Well, yes ... no worse than the Japanese tactical nuclear mine "Tama", which accidentally exploded on the Ostankino "needle" .... laughing I can afford to laugh - the same fantasy. smile
                  "I'm doing it, commander" (c)
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 26 May 2022 22: 10
                    +1
                    "Tama"
                    "or" Tuta "" ...
                    1. Fat
                      Fat 26 May 2022 23: 34
                      +2
                      According to the text - "TAMA" and bang In Ostankino - mulberries, almost, there were air charges with infrasound generators ... End of the world in painting.
                      Oh yeah... the constitution wins wassat
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 26 May 2022 21: 17
        +3
        Yes, a pirate is not a profession, but a vocation. smile

        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 27 May 2022 07: 14
          +1
          Sails, pisasters and palm trees - what else is left for happiness? Except a pint of foam.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 27 May 2022 07: 27
            +1
            "The skipper drinks from three bottles,
            The parrot sits on it
            On the beach, the team is whipping
            Black rum without snacks." (c)



            Good morning, Sergey! smile
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 27 May 2022 07: 36
              +1
              Good morning, Constantine!

              To have a snack - only to lower the degree.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 27 May 2022 07: 52
                +1
                However, the Pirate's Grandmother thought differently, and she was a lady with experience. smile

                "Don't drink rum without a snack:
                This is very harmful.
                And always go with a boobey
                If there is no move. "(C)
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 27 May 2022 13: 04
                  +1
                  Two schools of rum drinking.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 27 May 2022 13: 17
                    +1
                    But when using any of them, it does not double in the eyes. laughing
                  2. Fat
                    Fat 27 May 2022 22: 27
                    +1
                    Rum can be drunk without a snack - sweet because of the peculiarity of the "distillation". And booze and food request
                    1. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 28 May 2022 04: 54
                      +1
                      But, as in everything, the main thing is a sense of proportion. Especially in combination with changing time zones.
  3. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 26 May 2022 05: 49
    +11
    Somehow, from childhood, they drove into their heads about the Spaniards terrorizing and exploiting the natives, and about the natives who hate the invaders and fight them to the last drop of blood ... And about the civilized British ...

    But for some reason, in the territories of America, "mastered" by the British, there are practically no natives, and in the territories of the Spaniards / Portuguese, in places exactly the opposite, there are practically no descendants of the colonialists.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 26 May 2022 06: 15
      +4
      Quote: VicktorVR
      Somehow, from childhood, they drove into the head about the Spaniards,

      We've been beaten up a lot. And then it turned out to be a myth. Our world is a world of myths!
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 26 May 2022 08: 34
        +5
        Our world is a world of myths!
        And rabid anthropocentrism.
      2. VLR
        26 May 2022 08: 48
        +10
        Still, probably, the world is not ruled by reptilians (joke smile ), and PR people. The Anglo-Saxons have always won information wars, the Spaniards and Russians have almost always lost them. In part, this also applies to the Germans: compare, for example, “wise Templars, romantic mystics who keep sacred secrets” and “rude and bloodthirsty Teutons”, whom you don’t feed with bread - just let some innocent victim crumble into cabbage.
        And Protestants are almost always “progressive fighters for freedom and democracy”, while Catholics are “dark and ignorant obscurants” who would still burn people, but “good uncles” from Washington and London do not allow it. And the modern popes have already "caved" under the Protestants, they will soon write the "Newest Testament", which will clearly state that homosexuals are not "cursed in the face of the Lord", but "pleasing to him more than anyone else."
        And the Orthodox in Western journalism are still obscure Orthodox, who for some reason reject the modern idols of BLM, LBGT and transgenderism.
        1. depressant
          depressant 26 May 2022 09: 51
          +3
          "good uncles" from Washington and London do not allow.

          By the way, yesterday at the discussion of the conspiracy article "February 24, 2022. What we avoided" (Opinion section), a colleague of Monster_Fat presented a huge and very complex scheme for managing our current world - zashib!
          It turns out that we are all controlled by a certain Global Predictor. Apparently not a Catholic and not a Protestant)))
          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 26 May 2022 11: 25
            +5
            Money rules the world, and people die for it .. A typical example of the Anglo-Spanish war, which is described in the articles, money ran out on both sides and the war ended, but fought for what? To receive money in case of victory.
          2. vladcub
            vladcub 26 May 2022 11: 34
            +2
            Lyudmila Yakovlevna, good day, "not a Catholic and not a Protestant" Tady Sapsem is bad: a Catholic or a Protestant, at least in some way, will be afraid of God's wrath. If this is not a Christian, but an atheist. Then it is clear why the world was afraid: hypocrisy, window dressing and double standards
          3. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 26 May 2022 13: 08
            +5
            Global Predictor. Apparently not a Catholic
            Judging by the results of the board, an alcoholic yes .
            1. depressant
              depressant 26 May 2022 13: 48
              +2
              Judging by the results of the board, an alcoholic

              Alex, rhymes! wassat ))) Global Predictor is a collective image.
              - And give the Global Predictor here, we'll throw it at the peaks!
              And he is not. Well, it's like a naked slug, capable of disintegrating into separate small structures, which, obeying the need, reassemble into a naked slug.
              Did not know? Once I was very surprised to learn about such a dislocation of nature)))
            2. Fat
              Fat 26 May 2022 18: 17
              +3
              Perhaps easier - an old fart who has seen life, and felt life and is tired. He, the Predictor, can clearly see everything from afar, like an ancient anecdote. The only pleasure left is games, chess, poker and a game of preference with modifications.
        2. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 10: 41
          +8
          The Anglo-Saxons have always won information wars, the Spaniards and Russians have almost always lost them.

          Valery, hello! First - thanks for the article, nice. Second - sorry, I did not come to the previous one on Armada. And then I remembered an interesting person associated with her.
          We remember that during the return journey of the Armada, many Spanish ships crashed on the rocks of Ireland. Local thieving peizans crowded the shore with a dracoli, cleaned the corpses, killed the survivors. One of those who escaped was Captain Francisco de Cuellar. He was lucky to survive on the shore, then, after a series of ordeals, he, with a group of the same Hispanic-speaking unfortunates, ended up in the possessions of a local kurbashi, who was in opposition to the British, and had such a strong personal dislike for them that he could not even eat.
          There they were well received. For the first time, it was not possible to evacuate from the island - the arrived ship had already left. The British sent a military detachment against O'Rourke (that was the name of that very specific prince), and the Spaniards, a few people, successfully withstood the siege at Roskloger Castle in the south of Loch Melvin!


          Then de Cuellar ended up in Scotland, from there - in Flanders, where he almost died again, already in battle with the Dutch. And after a while he returned to Spain.
          Amazing story, better than all adventure novels! fellow
          Yes, two Irish nobles who helped the Spaniards were later executed by the British ...
          If you have a desire - write about it. drinks With respect, Nicholai.
          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 26 May 2022 11: 35
            +5
            many Spanish ships were wrecked on the rocks of Ireland. Local thieving peisans crowded the shore with a dracoli, cleaned the corpses, killed the survivors.
            Almost no one disdained this business. Daily bread, coastal residents.
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 11: 38
              +4
              Almost no one disdained this business. Daily bread, coastal residents.

              I think yes. And now, not everyone will be squeamish about this.
              Here on this site is a quote from Cuellar himself. I didn't check the truth.
              https://wiki5.ru/wiki/Francisco_de_Cuellar
              "In this country there is neither justice nor law, and everyone does what he likes."
              This he pro then Ireland.
              In general, I learned about the existence of this hero from a documentary on Viasat History. Any benefit from this channel...

              By the way, maybe Valery should also be asked to write about the Fishguard landing of 1797 - "the last invasion of England"? drinks The topic is also little known in domestic circles.
              1. Daniil Konovalenko
                Daniil Konovalenko 26 May 2022 11: 43
                +3
                The Irish, God himself ordered to engage in such a trade .. Well, the place is like this, "there is no water, there are no minerals, it is inhabited by robots" (c) smile
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 11: 46
                  +4
                  The Irish, God himself ordered to engage in such a trade ..

                  To paraphrase the classic: "God sent a piece of the Armada to the Irish..." laughing
                  Well, the place is like this, "there is no water, there are no minerals, it is inhabited by robots"

                  And the truth is! laughing
                  In general, the history of Ireland and Scotland was very turbulent in the early Middle Ages. Some states replaced others.
                  1. Daniil Konovalenko
                    Daniil Konovalenko 26 May 2022 11: 56
                    +4
                    Pytheas, sailed by and mentioned. Ireland, no one needed it. The Phoenicians, apparently, they still came in, they couldn’t help but go in, but apparently they didn’t find anything interesting, the Romans didn’t need it either, no, if they already knew potatoes then, then perhaps the Romans were interested .. smile
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 26 May 2022 12: 12
                      +5
                      Ireland, no one needed.
                      Except Saint Patrick.
                      1. VicktorVR
                        VicktorVR 27 May 2022 07: 11
                        +2
                        They say that St. Patrick did not go there of his own free will. For the first time laughing
                    2. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 12: 28
                      +4
                      the Romans, she didn’t need it either, no, if they already knew potatoes then, then perhaps the Romans were interested

                      Theories of America's achievement are many; except for the Vikings and Columbus, none seems to have been confirmed. Otherwise, the potatoes would have been delivered earlier. laughing
                      There is even an African theory, they say, the ruler of Mali, Abubakar II (the predecessor of Mansa Musa), pasted 14 ships at the beginning of the 200th century, appointed himself chief admiral and black lord, and personally went overseas, after which he did not return. At least, Musa himself claimed exactly this when he was timidly asked about his predecessor, and smiled mysteriously ... wink
                      And in the Irish legends about St. Brandan, it is said that he and his companions saw an island very similar to Jan Mayen.
                      There is a book by marine painter Shigin "The Ghost on Watch". Describes the case that a Roman trireme was found on the "Atlantic ship sink" - Sable Island, off Nova Scotia (Canada). And now, they say, it is exhibited in some local museum of some town.
                      I tried to check ... did not give the Internet results. It seems that Shigin still had a yellow boulevard source! request
                      1. Daniil Konovalenko
                        Daniil Konovalenko 26 May 2022 12: 32
                        +4
                        Yes, I’m actually not talking about this, that for centuries, few people were interested in Ireland .. smile
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 12: 33
                        +4
                        Yes, I’m actually not talking about this, about the fact that for centuries, few people were interested in Ireland ..

                        And when did the impudent British become interested in her?
                      3. Daniil Konovalenko
                        Daniil Konovalenko 26 May 2022 12: 39
                        +4
                        Oh, Lord ... I don’t remember .. century 12, under some Henry, I don’t remember the number .. laughing well, yes, as soon as as soon as the Normans conquered all of Britain ... smile
                      4. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 12: 43
                        +3
                        Oh, Lord ... I don’t remember .. century 12, under some Henry, I don’t remember the number ..

                        Indeed, with these Heinrichs and other Edwards, Robin Hood himself will break the bow, with someone, something happened to someone. wassat Eduard Vashchenko - does not count! wink We are talking about English Edwards! drinks
                      5. VLR
                        26 May 2022 12: 49
                        +9
                        Henry 2 Plantagenet, husband of Eleanor of Aquitaine and father of Richard the Lionheart, who then shamed Merlin: he climbed onto a stone in the middle of the river - and did not brazenly die, as was prescribed for any English conquering king.
                      6. mihaylov
                        mihaylov 26 May 2022 12: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Theories of America's achievement are many; except for the Vikings and Columbus, none seems to have been confirmed. Otherwise, the potatoes would have been delivered earlier. laughing
                        There is even an African theory

                        Greetings Nikolay,
                        there is even a Celtic theory: according to it, some Irish or Scottish "prince" sailed to America, built a castle there, etc. Also spotted on some historical channel. hi
                      7. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 12: 48
                        +4
                        Greetings Nikolay

                        Hello Sergey! drinks
                        there is even a Celtic theory: according to it, some Irish or Scottish "prince" sailed to America, built a castle there, etc. Also spotted on some historical channel.

                        Well, if America was discovered by everyone who is not lazy, it remains only for us to pull some earplugs on it, as Zadornov bequeathed ... wassat
                      8. parusnik
                        parusnik 26 May 2022 15: 29
                        +2
                        put some earplugs on
                        I read somewhere for a long time that when Ivan III annexed Novgorod, part of the Novgorodians rushed along the Northern Sea Route and ... swam to Alaska and, they say, some objects of that era were found during excavations. I don’t know how true this is.
                      9. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 15: 43
                        +3
                        I read somewhere for a long time that when Ivan III annexed Novgorod, part of the Novgorodians rushed along the Northern Sea Route and ... swam to Alaska and, they say, some objects of that era were found during excavations. I don’t know how true this is.

                        Too late, Alexey Anatolyevich! request Well, EMNIP, 1478, it would be necessary five hundred years earlier. It is necessary globally, deeper and wider! yes
                        For example, the "the ambassadors sent to Rurik with a proposal to reign got lost"... and accidentally made the world's first trip around the world! .. fellow Twice.. repeat
                        And what? There were even cooler inventions. According to a well-publicized legend, the sly-assed beggar Odysseus spent ten years in the Mediterranean! His son already managed to grow up, and the grooms lined up to the wife of the war! Only, it means, they lined up, and then suddenly Odysseus is the same, like an incognito from St. Petersburg - shast! angry And he gored everyone with a horned club! fellow yes
                      10. parusnik
                        parusnik 26 May 2022 15: 54
                        +1
                        Well, when I read this version, I was filled with pride to the very brim, it must be before Columbus, America was discovered. laughing But I don’t agree with Odysseus. It’s quite possible that he wore it for 10 years in the Mediterranean, it wasn’t a fictitious bag with winds that the team had to open, curiosity ruined. The wind blew in the opposite direction. And since Odysseus, apparently, did not go further than Asia Minor, well, he got lost. Pilot, then there were no compAs, all the more so.
                      11. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 16: 47
                        +4
                        Wow, before Columbus, America was discovered

                        There was another effective disseminator of new ideas. There is a small island of Iona in the Irish Sea. There, in the 6th century, he founded the monastery of St. Columbus. And from that place, Christianity triumphantly spread throughout Scotland and Ireland. There are more famous and unknown saints from there than Pedro in Brazil.
                      12. parusnik
                        parusnik 26 May 2022 16: 58
                        +2
                        Ahhh, the burial place of the ancient kings of Scotland. There also seemed to be a female one.
                      13. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 17: 04
                        +2
                        Ahhh, the burial place of the ancient kings of Scotland. There also seemed to be a female one.

                        I don’t know about kings, but yes, they buried all sorts of figures. And there was also a nunnery, for sure. Surely they also visited each other - to drive Tchaikovsky, to speculate about the soul. wink
                        Under Columbus (in the sense of St. Columbus, and not the forerunner of the conquistadors), it was an interesting kingdom - Dal Riada. It included part of Ireland, the Inner Hebrides, part of Scotland. From the wiki:
                      14. parusnik
                        parusnik 26 May 2022 17: 13
                        +2
                        Here, the kings of Dal Riad were buried, he himself was present. smile
                      15. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 17: 15
                        +2
                        Here, the kings of Dal Riad were buried, he himself was present.

                        I would like to add - "I personally held the candle myself"! laughing
                        If someone writes an article on this island, I will be very happy. Honestly. This is a truly iconic place.
                      16. mihaylov
                        mihaylov 26 May 2022 16: 09
                        +2
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        And he gored everyone with a horned club!

                        It was an onion! hi
                      17. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 16: 16
                        +3
                        It was an onion!

                        Thanks, corrected! hi
                        Read correctly: "and gored everyone with a horned bow!" angry Green horned onion. And lots of garlic. fellow
                      18. mihaylov
                        mihaylov 26 May 2022 16: 21
                        +3
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Read correctly: "and gored everyone with a horned bow!" angry Green horned bow.

                        It was not a bow, in the sense of a plant, but a look - in the sense of fashion, he struck them all with his appearance, well, he finished them off by breathing garlic. wassat
                      19. mihaylov
                        mihaylov 26 May 2022 16: 11
                        +2
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        cunning asshole Odysseus

                        He was not a beggar, but a basil and very fisted and homely, so to speak, "a strong business executive" wassat
                      20. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 16: 15
                        +2
                        and basil and very fisted and homely

                        Basileus of Cosileum? laughing
                        "strong manager"

                        Well, at least not an effective manager! wassat
                      21. mihaylov
                        mihaylov 26 May 2022 16: 22
                        +2
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Well, at least not an effective manager

                        Effective manager! with Super Look! drinks
                      22. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 26 May 2022 16: 20
                        +2
                        "Time has passed, Odysseus is cunning,
                        Nobly decrepit in insignificant Ithaca "(C)
                      23. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 16: 29
                        +3
                        "A minstrel is with him, which is seductive on the lute
                        He plays songs, intricately and sweetly. "(free continuation! tongue )
                      24. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 26 May 2022 17: 04
                        +2
                        on the lute
                        Oh, I finally remember!
                        So you look, I will teach you to distinguish a minstrel from a minestrial.
                      25. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 17: 06
                        +1
                        So you look, I will teach you to distinguish a minstrel from a minestrial.

                        If you want to criticize - criticize with a hexameter, barbarian! laughing drinks
                        No, it's better like this:

                        If you wish to criticize boldly,
                        Then criticize with a hexameter, "so, they say, and so, they say."
                      26. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 26 May 2022 17: 29
                        +1
                        barbarian!
                        "Men that are angry and rude,
                        Teeth are sharpened on the nobility "(C)
                      27. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 16: 41
                        +3
                        Odysseus will drink an enormous cup of wine,
                        And the fellow breathes super-look'om spectacularly.
                      28. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 16: 49
                        +4
                        "Hey!" - says the king - "Hungry my Itakians,
                        Shouldn't we go on a campaign against the Cretans and Egypt?" fellow
                      29. mihaylov
                        mihaylov 26 May 2022 16: 52
                        +3
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        "Gay!" - says - "My hicks Itakians,

                        "You yourself are gay!" - answered the Itakians. wassat
                      30. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 16: 56
                        +3
                        "You yourself are gay!" - answered the Itakians.

                        "My friend! Express yourself in hexameter!" belay (Losyash, "Smeshariki" - "The Golden Age").


                        "You yourself are gay!" - answered the Itakians.

                        For example, like this - both ancient Greek and tolerant:

                        "Your personality does not inspire confidence in us for a long time!" -
                        Good Greeks answered the king drunk! stop
                      31. mihaylov
                        mihaylov 26 May 2022 17: 03
                        +2
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        My friend! Express yourself in hexameter!"

                        I'll try:
                        "Hey!" - says the king - "Hungry my Itakians,
                        Shouldn't we go on a campaign against the Cretans and Egypt?"

                        You, look at yourself - the Itakians answered him,
                        Gay! dressed up as if a rooster look-ovate! wassat
                      32. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 17: 08
                        +3
                        Success is right before your eyes! yes Already almost an ancient Greek, only there are not enough sheets, Sergey! good drinks
                        You, look at yourself - the Itakians answered him,
                        Gay! dressed up as if a rooster look-ovate!

                        - How sly? I have a normal outfit!
                        Here and tunic, and pajamas!
                        Odysseus' answer.
                      33. mihaylov
                        mihaylov 26 May 2022 17: 13
                        +3
                        - How sly? I have a normal outfit!
                        Here and tunic, and pajamas! Odysseus' answer.

                        -Well, what about a steel cuirass on a naked body?
                        It's like you're in the Blue Lagoon bar in Athens
                      34. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 17: 20
                        +3
                        -Well, what about a steel cuirass on a naked body?
                        It's like you're in the Blue Lagoon bar in Athens

                        This is such a notion just in case,
                        If suddenly the enemies approach us under the walls!
                        I'm already in the cuirass, I'm drunk and brave.
                        With a horned bow, let's chase the enemy home! angry
                      35. mihaylov
                        mihaylov 26 May 2022 17: 29
                        +4
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        This is such a notion just in case,
                        If suddenly the enemies approach us under the walls!
                        I'm already in the cuirass, I'm drunk and brave.
                        With a horned bow, let's chase the enemy home!

                        Where on our island did you see walls?
                        The walls - in Mycenae, are folded tightly by the Cyclopes.
                        In our Ithaca, you even won the tender for the walls,
                        He squandered everything to the obol for personal needs. hi
                      36. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 17: 44
                        +3
                        In our Ithaca, you even won the tender for the walls,
                        He squandered everything to the obol for personal needs.

                        - I will ask! - Odysseus answered loudly. stop
                        - I didn’t spend it on needs ... on ouzo and women ... repeat ("ouzo" - Greek vodka, if anyone does not know) drinks
                      37. Fat
                        Fat 27 May 2022 01: 40
                        +4
                        Somehow the people walked in hexameters ...

                        Well, who here thirsted for Malvasia? Sweet from the sea?
                        Chief, so where can I get it - in the pantry?
                        She's not there! We happened to visit Olofson Knorr the other day...
                        Did he give in to you? - No, he got drunk and boasted ... of a raid ...
                        There was a barrel, I remember where he hid ...
                        Raid again? Or maybe just invite?
                        He will not refuse, I think, he will also boast ...
                      38. Fat
                        Fat 27 May 2022 00: 31
                        +4
                        Wow! Old man, he spent 7 years to get away from the loving Calypso, so three years!
                        -Is that on the oars with the rest, Or do you think this nymph was somewhat loving? She is not even a nymphomaniac, but a nymph in her own right, possessed by passion, in short, all seven years for each year 3,5 years of experience ... transfer cash rewards into goat skins at the nearest bank
                        Something makes me feel bad ... It smells of showdowns wassat
                      39. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 27 May 2022 01: 11
                        +3
                        Or do you think this nymph was somewhat loving? She is not even a nymphomaniac, but a nymph in her own right, full of passion.

                        I agree! stop Give three nymphs with round asses! yes
              2. Daniil Konovalenko
                Daniil Konovalenko 26 May 2022 12: 11
                +3
                And there were quite a few invasions or attempts in England after the conquest of it by William.
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 12: 35
                  +2
                  And there were quite a few invasions or attempts in England after the conquest of it by William.

                  Who else came? EMNIP, did the French land under King John? Did the Dutch burn the entire fleet right on the Thames in the 17th century?
                  1. Daniil Konovalenko
                    Daniil Konovalenko 26 May 2022 12: 41
                    +5
                    The French, their .. here the Spaniards tried
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 12: 46
                      +4
                      French people

                      Then still - "dear cousins"! laughing
                      I also remembered Queen Isabella, who landed with a landing of spiritualized mercenaries and demolished her husband Edward II from the throne (well, and then ... night-lantern-poker in the ass, according to Maurice Druon). belay
                      1. Daniil Konovalenko
                        Daniil Konovalenko 26 May 2022 12: 55
                        +5
                        Then still - "dear cousins"!
                        No matter how, yes, you need to dig deeper in the attics smile
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 13: 00
                        +4
                        No matter how, yes, you need to dig deeper in the attics

                        The same Richard the Brave Potato was quite a Frenchman. He did not speak English, he treated the country like a farm, from which you can only reap money. And he himself - on the crusades rolled out ... fellow
                        An old joke, I hope I don't offend anyone. drinks
                      3. VLR
                        26 May 2022 13: 05
                        +7
                        Soon we will briefly return to the era of the Crusades and there will be a little bit about the English king, who was the first to take his English possessions seriously. The rest valued the land of present-day France more. This is the great-grandson of Eleanor of Aquitaine.
                      4. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 13: 09
                        +3
                        I'm not going to get ahead of myself and check who it is. I'll wait for the release. yes
                        It would be interesting if you could shed some light on the history of the British Isles before William. But this is already so - a wish from the reader. drinks
                      5. depressant
                        depressant 26 May 2022 14: 06
                        +3
                        I hope I don't offend anyone.


                        No, it didn't hit me! wassat )))
                        I'm sorry, for some reason I'm having fun today, which means that by the evening there will be tears. But... such funny comments! )))
              3. Fat
                Fat 26 May 2022 19: 13
                +2
                Why so far? When the liner crashed on the territory of the Russian Federation at the beginning of the century. The representatives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, put up in a cordon, wildly distinguished themselves in looting, for which they were imprisoned. By the way, then DAM served as commander-in-chief, whom the liberals of the liberal Medvedev, let alone forgive, cannot understand. Template break happened on 08.08.08
            2. lisikat2
              lisikat2 26 May 2022 14: 12
              +4
              "The daily bread of the coastal inhabitants" Benzoni describes how the Shuans under the command of Cadudel hunted for this.
              And they considered themselves pious, and the main commandments: do not kill, do not covet someone else's. However, this was widespread, but there are exceptions.
              One of the legends tells
              In the area of ​​present-day Gelendzhik, a girl once lived. She, on especially dark nights, went out with a torch to the shore and sugar to warn about the rocks. Sailors called her "Night Beauty" - helenzh. Hence the name came from.
        3. kalibr
          kalibr 26 May 2022 11: 16
          +3
          Quote: VlR
          and PR people.

          The words are not a boy, but a husband, Valery! All books on PR are originally in English and the first one by Professor Edward Bernays was published back in 1923!!! What experience was accumulated and generalized in order to write at least the first book? And it reads modern even now. But even then they came out ... And we borrowed Western experience, and not they from us. Today there are algorithms for precise bringing to power. You pay a certain amount and ... you are the governor! Or the mayor! It is enough to dress a female speaker at a briefing in a certain way, and he will go the way his organizers need. To make sure that 80% do not understand what she is saying ... with a word PR, everything can happen, especially if there is at least 20% of the real business behind it. No case - PR is powerless.
        4. know
          know 26 May 2022 11: 25
          +5
          Still, probably, the world is ruled not by reptilians (joke smile), but by PR people.

          And if we assume that reptilians and PR people are synonymous words? laughing
        5. vladcub
          vladcub 26 May 2022 11: 37
          +1
          "incomprehensible orthodoxies" Valery, good day. As I understand it, you are for Orthodox values
          1. VLR
            26 May 2022 11: 45
            +4
            Actually, I'm an atheist. And of the world's religions, the doctrine of karma seems to me the most logical and consistent.
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 26 May 2022 14: 33
              +1
              I am also an atheist. It is ridiculous in the 21st century to speak of religious fanaticism.
              I fully admit that earlier he could move mountains, but now I suspect selfish interests.
              However, I scold myself: what a cynic, after all, there are lofty feelings, there are ideological impulses. And I myself answer: “feelings” are flat interests, “ideological impulses” twice “impulses” - in the 21st century there are no more ideological ones.
              I really want it and I can't help it
            2. Fat
              Fat 26 May 2022 18: 28
              -1
              Yeah, Buddhism is the most atheistic of the stable beliefs.
              All life is an inescapable suffering, And the saints are those who have risen above this suffering, escaping the human. Somehow the final "nirvana" does not attract. And "karma" is not only Buddhist.
              To the Romans the letter of St. Ap. Paul...
              2: 5. But, according to your stubbornness and unrepentant heart,
              you yourself collect anger on the day of anger and
              revelations of righteous judgment from God,
              2:6. Who will render to each according to his deeds:
        6. mihaylov
          mihaylov 26 May 2022 12: 55
          +3
          Quote: VlR
          “Rude and bloodthirsty Teutons”, whom you don’t feed with bread - just let some innocent victim crumble into cabbage.

          And if with sausages, then iceban will work. Yes, with beer! drinks
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 26 May 2022 13: 36
            +2
            Iceban is smoked and boiled pork.
            Hello, Sergey!
            1. mihaylov
              mihaylov 26 May 2022 14: 02
              +3
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Iceban is smoked and boiled pork.

              Good afternoon Anton!
              What about cabbage and sausages? Bigus? even though it's in Polish. hi
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 26 May 2022 14: 08
                +2
                And cabbage with sausages is just cabbage with sausages.
                1. mihaylov
                  mihaylov 26 May 2022 14: 25
                  +3
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  And cabbage with sausages is just cabbage with sausages.

                  So they say: "kapusta s sosiskami" wassat
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 14: 26
                    +3
                    So they say: "kapusta s sosiskami"

                    Yeah, they have every minstrel just like that. yes (Anton - tongue ).
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 26 May 2022 14: 37
                      +2
                      The Poles did not have minstrels.
                      1. parusnik
                        parusnik 26 May 2022 14: 46
                        +3
                        The Poles did not have minstrels.
                        ..They had Skalds. This group is in the 70s. laughing
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 26 May 2022 14: 48
                        +2
                        Well, Buttercup-truver, at Sapkowski's.
                      3. parusnik
                        parusnik 26 May 2022 14: 55
                        +3
                        Which one is Andrzej? Witcher?
                      4. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 26 May 2022 15: 04
                        +2
                        Yes, absolutely right.
                      5. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 14: 58
                        +3
                        ..They had Skalds. This group is in the 70s.

                        "Pesniary" in Polish? wink I didn't know about these! request

                      6. parusnik
                        parusnik 26 May 2022 15: 05
                        +3
                        No, Skalds, storytellers, but they had enough bands. Also Red guitars, but I prefer Skalds ..
                      7. Catfish
                        Catfish 26 May 2022 21: 36
                        +3
                        I was at their concert in Luzhniki in the early seventies, the guys liked it. In the second part, Maryanovich was jumping on the stage, they left with a girlfriend after the very first song. smile
      3. vladcub
        vladcub 26 May 2022 11: 48
        +3
        "our world is a world of myths" V. Oh, welcome. And without myths it's boring. I enjoy reading myths
    2. Edward Vashchenko
      Edward Vashchenko 26 May 2022 08: 48
      +8
      Somehow, from childhood, they drove into my head about the Spaniards terrorizing and exploiting the natives,

      Good afternoon,
      they did everything right, although, I don’t remember that in a Soviet school they would “drive in” something other than geometry and physics, and then they didn’t drive it in, but taught it.
      The meaning of the school curriculum is (or was) that it is necessary to show historical progress ... well, what to shoot at, boys.
      And not to tell fledgling and naive minds about the diversity of historical opinions.
      As for Spain, and those who are now called "arrogant Saxons", then, from the point of view of progress (regression) and staged development, England was undoubtedly a progressive country.
      Today, in a non-school curriculum, one can say that obtaining "initial capital" was associated with the most severe exploitation of resources, including people (black gold), but, alas, such is the history of mankind.
      We had "white gold", by the way, our ancestors, 80-90% of the population now living in the Russian Federation, Ukraine and Belarus, from the end of the XNUMXth to the middle of the XNUMXth century.

      And England certainly made progress on this path, while Spain remained a semi-feudal and backward country, with feudal repressions throughout the 19th century, "civil war" and fascist dictatorship in the XNUMXth century.
      So everything was right at school. By the way, no one hushed up about the killing of Indians or Indians, and this was clearly condemned as a crime of the British colonialists.
      hi
      1. know
        know 26 May 2022 09: 04
        +1
        Of course, from the point of view of the "development of industrial relations" the English model is more progressive than the Spanish one. But these are not Protestant pastors, but Pope Paul 3 in his bull recognized the Indians as "people" and forbade enslavement. And not the kings of England obeyed this bull, but the kings of Spain - albeit reluctantly. Whether humanity needs such progress, which the Anglo-Saxons offered it, is a big question. Maybe today, hundreds of millions of people around the world would be better off if "backward Catholics" won?
        1. Edward Vashchenko
          Edward Vashchenko 26 May 2022 10: 04
          +7
          Dear Alexey,
          if there was no progress, we would still be in serfdom.
          Society either advances or regresses.
          Whether we like it or not, it was the West that created all the blessings, beautiful and terrible, that surround us. Even modern science, and not "somewhere, something: Arabs, Ferdowsi, etc." west.
          They came up with it, not because they are better, but because they were at a more advanced stage of development.
          The Spaniards, by the way, are part of the "West", where they could, the Indians were cut to the root when they found out that they could not be slaves, no pope would have changed anything.
          And where it was not possible to reach them (Apache or Comanche), they could not. Driven into the desert or the jungle - and that's it.
          This is the other side of progress...
          And the Pope said something there, by the way, the British stopped the slave trade, and the Spaniards tried to trade .. All these facts do not change the essence.
          The other side of progress, there are victims of progress, and this has always been the case everywhere.
          hi
          1. know
            know 26 May 2022 11: 01
            +3
            Well, you understand that the victory of the Catholic states would not stop human development. Maybe a little later the internal combustion engine would have been invented. But, perhaps, development would have taken a less bloody and cruel path. Since the Protestants, of course, assure everyone that they are very great humanists, but in the persecution of the "witches" and in the colonial policy they were often more cruel and implacable. Here in Texas, for example, the Indians were practically exterminated by the settlers, and in neighboring Mexico, right across the Rio Grande, it is precisely the descendants of the Indians with a small "admixture of Spanish blood" who live. Yes, the descendants of the Indian tribes in Mexico live worse than the descendants of the colonizers of Texas - but they do. If they were offered a choice: to live like this, or not to live, to perish, giving way to a "civilized people", the choice would probably be obvious.
            1. Edward Vashchenko
              Edward Vashchenko 26 May 2022 12: 41
              +5
              Well, you understand that the victory of the Catholic states would not stop human development.

              It was one of many wars between European countries for the colonial division. There is no talk of any struggle between Catholics and Protestants, this is an external shell. Here is the struggle in the 16th and 17th centuries. France against Spain, this is the fight of whom?
              First of all, this is the struggle of Western countries at different stages of development for raw materials and sales markets.
              But we started with you "drilled or not hammered into the head"
              I stand on the position that if they hammered it in, then it's right.
              Well, Alba in the Netherlands is certainly not terror)))
              hi
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 26 May 2022 14: 50
                +4
                Well, Alba in the Netherlands is certainly not terror)))
                ..Yeah, that's different laughing , like the genocide of the Moriscos, and only because they did not believe that the baptized Arabs and Jews truly believed in Christ, but believed that they secretly attend synagogues and mosques turned into churches .. laughing
            2. Fat
              Fat 26 May 2022 20: 44
              +1
              Alex, just think. Our squadrons did not enter Frisco and New York ... Another European massacre? Did the Confederates win?
              No one will be able to calculate it and never. It is surprising that the desperate demarche of the Russian fleet gave so much strength to the Northerners. Yes, and our Russian regiments avoided another confrontation for a while ... Here you need to be very careful ... without haste ...
          2. lisikat2
            lisikat2 26 May 2022 13: 46
            +2
            The reverse side of progress "Eduard, in general, I agree with you, but progress cannot but be accompanied by blood, and I don't like that.
            I am for progress, but gradual without extreme excesses
            1. Edward Vashchenko
              Edward Vashchenko 26 May 2022 17: 17
              +2
              Katerina,
              I, too, am always for all the good, against all the bad good
              But here's how it works differently yes
              Yours faithfully,
              hi
      2. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 26 May 2022 12: 29
        +3
        and Spain remained a semi-feudal and backward country, with feudal repression throughout the 19th century, a "civil war" and a fascist dictatorship in the XNUMXth century.
        Such an interesting moment: the Arabs conquered Spain in a few months, gave 800 years. ... At the same time, the Arabs brought a lot of new things to the agriculture of Spain: more productive methods of cultivating the land, irrigation systems, previously unknown crops (citrus fruits, sugar cane, rice, cotton, etc.). Mulberry cultivation began, and the country took a leading place in Europe in the production and export of silk. Astronomical and medical centers and much more were created. and still kicked out or destroyed. What was the Spaniards smart enough to sail to America to continue plundering open lands ... At the same time, they brought with them all sorts of diseases that destroyed the local population ... And the funny thing is, the English-speaking colony in America turned into a powerful industrial power , and Hispanics in banana republics ..
      3. vladcub
        vladcub 26 May 2022 15: 04
        +1
        Edward, out of malice: Franco's "fascist dictatorship", and later Pinochet, generally played a progressive role. Countries have embarked on the path of economic development and have made significant progress in development.
        Before Franco, Spain was a backward agrarian country, and after Franco, a completely different country. In society, it is evaluated rather positively.
        So call
        1. Edward Vashchenko
          Edward Vashchenko 26 May 2022 17: 15
          +1
          Vladislav,
          good day.
          Yeah, I heard from our reformers in the 90s about the "progressive Pinochet".
          According to this scheme, we can also get a "pinochet", here we will live good
          Oh, I forgot, we're doing denazification here recourse

          Yours faithfully, hi
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 27 May 2022 13: 29
            -1
            "" denazification ", do you really live in (in) Ukraine?
            Come on, come to us, we do not expect denatsifmkatsiya. Little joke.
            PS. Although, fascism also has a place to be with us: a pretzel on the z9th was preparing explosions, I saw the corresponding greetings
        2. Carlos Hall
          Carlos Hall 26 May 2022 20: 22
          +2
          Before Franco, "el Caudillo" the Spanish economy for many centuries was reduced to huge herds of sheep that roamed under the protection of large dogs with special collars to protect themselves from the wolf.
          Sheep wool is all that Spain managed to export to Europe.
          Then galleons of gold and silver from the "Indies" now called on America to pay for the army and necessary imports, and to build palaces and cathedrals. When she was left without an empire in 1898, she was completely ruined because not a single cow could be milked. abroad. Franco "Caudillo" is much more cruel than Mussolini, although not crazy, like Hitler, who industrialized the country without the Marshall Plan and invented tourism.
      4. Carlos Hall
        Carlos Hall 26 May 2022 19: 58
        +1
        Already from the time of the Visigothic kingdom (by the way, a genetically Slavic people headed by the Scandinavian-Swedish royal power), the Gothic princes transferred great power to the Catholic Church after the rejection of Arianism. This was followed by the Muslim invasion, which almost led to the creation of Turkey in the West. This invasion was repulsed from the northern mountains, washed by the Atlantic, what was left of the Goths and the mountain Celts. The re-creation of the old monarchy that sank in the 8th century, with a triumphant church and more and more power. That such a poor and sparsely populated country created such a large military empire remains a mystery. The Achilles' heel has always been the economy, small population, and disdain for technological progress. Having a powerful army and money to pay for it was enough, but it ended in Trafalgar and ended in a war against the United States in 1898.
    3. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 26 May 2022 20: 01
      0
      But for some reason, in the territories of America, "mastered" by the British, there are practically no natives, and in the territories of the Spaniards / Portuguese, in places exactly the opposite, there are practically no descendants of the colonialists.
      It's elementary, Watson! Different ethics - Catholic and Protestant. S.G. Kara-Murza about this factor is well written.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 26 May 2022 05: 57
    +5
    And the war between Spain and England lasted until 1604 and ended in a "draw"
    But everyone believed that in his favor.
  5. Luminman
    Luminman 26 May 2022 06: 15
    +3
    Quote: VicktorVR
    But for some reason, in the territories of America, "mastered" by the British, there are practically no natives, and in the territories of the Spaniards / Portuguese, in places exactly the opposite, there are practically no descendants of the colonialists.

    This is because neither the Spaniards nor the Portuguese "took care" of the local natives, bringing them blankets infected with smallpox as a gift from a "pure heart" ...

    It wasn't the Spaniards or the Portuguese who came up with the White Man's Burden ideology. And they didn't invent racism...
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 26 May 2022 11: 17
      +3
      "these are not Spaniards" on behalf of and on behalf of the Spanish giants, I express my gratitude for the rehabilitation of the Spanish colonialists
  6. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 26 May 2022 07: 34
    +5
    works by Sofonisba Anguissola
    I want to note that this is the first known artist! Her self-portrait

    Thank you, Valery!
    1. VLR
      26 May 2022 07: 59
      +5
      She also had a sister (and student) who was said to be just as talented. But she died early.
  7. Murat
    Murat 26 May 2022 08: 00
    +3
    Philip II is portrayed in our textbooks as a mindless Catholic fanatic and petty tyrant. But in fact, Spain then was - by his, Philip, efforts - not just the biggest power in Europe, but also the main defender of this very Europe from the Turks. Well, the crisis of the Spanish monarchy and the decline of its colonial empire is really not connected with the death of the Armada; there were deeper factors at work, both external and internal.
  8. Korsar4
    Korsar4 26 May 2022 08: 06
    +5
    Thanks, Valery! Military expeditions far from home are sometimes expensive.
    Drake, like everyone, had both successes and failures. They usually remember the first ones.
    1. depressant
      depressant 26 May 2022 14: 46
      +2
      I was looking for meaning in life
      Turned back
      Was late.

      Showa Morimura.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 26 May 2022 15: 10
        +4
        I repeat again, and in this interpretation:

        “They told me that this road would lead me to the ocean of death, and I turned back halfway. Since then, crooked deaf roundabout paths have been stretching before me ... ”(c).
        1. depressant
          depressant 26 May 2022 15: 35
          +2
          Ahaaaaa!!!...
          The Strugatskys were remembered. Used by them. Everything was explained. Allegorically. On my windowsill is Lame Fate. A Billion years before the end of the world" and I remember it that way. Everything is simple and complicated there. There must be a Demiurge. Who, causing fire on himself, drives society from some back roads and drives it to others ... back roads! wassat )))
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 26 May 2022 18: 12
            +2
            Their favorite is “A Billion Years Before the End of the World”.
            1. depressant
              depressant 26 May 2022 18: 29
              +1
              Still would! His own, native scientific environment is described. Like it or not, your stratum is closer. And it is very important to understand, and most importantly, to accept human psychology. To understand a person at a glance, a word, from a half hint. It's easier to live that way. It used to be called your circle. In the lower or higher stratum, one involuntarily, unconsciously sees what causes hostility. It is possible and necessary to communicate, but you look for someone who is close in spirit in your stratum.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 26 May 2022 19: 24
                +1
                Yes. Here you see, and if you don’t see it, you even feel the details.
                1. Fat
                  Fat 26 May 2022 19: 41
                  +2
                  Especially, in the presence of a little bit of readiness.
                  Do not lie, do not deceive - everything is visible to the specialist.
                  No more than 10% of people can lie selflessly. and then, if they sincerely believe in the "source codes". Therefore, psychologists and "sorcerers" are in demand. The block on "real info" is already an individual work of Kashpirovsky's followers.
                  Therefore, the "Military Translator" is far from being an exercise in an electronic translator. Much deeper than simple radio interception....
                  Sorry for the prejudice...
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 26 May 2022 20: 03
                    +2
                    It turns out to speak convincingly only when you believe in what you say.

                    And it's good that there's still room for doubt.
                    1. Fat
                      Fat 26 May 2022 21: 13
                      +2
                      Sergey, I've seen scammers, I've lost a lot of money, just don't say that you need to learn from your experience, Yeah ...
                      But "Krasnobaev" from the first phrases I send ...
                      Maybe this is immunity, but who knows what other alteration is assigned to us?
              2. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 26 May 2022 20: 13
                +2
                His own, native scientific environment is described. Like it or not, your stratum is closer. And it is very important to understand, and most importantly, to accept human psychology. To understand a person at a glance, a word, from a half hint. It's easier to live that way.
                It's right. Easier. Forewarned is forearmed. I have been working in the scientific community for 50 years since I graduated from school. The Strugatskys are still those science fiction writers who, by the end of their lives, have turned into two Vibegalls, more precisely, into his model, dissatisfied financially. And the scientific environment from the 80s to the present time is very far from the utopian scientific environment in "The Far Rainbow" or in "The Return". The psychology is depressing. One hope for the youth, it sometimes gives reason for optimism.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 26 May 2022 20: 51
                  0
                  So after all call in science then was what! Not from a stratum composed of three generations, say, great-grandfather zemstvo doctor, grandfather officer, father a researcher, son a student. Not! The father is an uneducated chairman of an average collective farm, and that's all! The son according to the quota for such is a student of one of the closed universities, deliberately aimed at distributing graduates into science. And distributed after 6 years of training, as there was a collective farmer, the collective farmer remained!
                  It was in the 30s that students from collective farmers sought to cultivate themselves, and many succeeded. Because the pre-revolutionary professorship was still alive. And by the 80s, that professorship had died out. Nevertheless, the traditions still remained, but they turned out to be powerless in the face of quotas, according to which the student became not the smartest, but ideologically appropriate. So many of the workers, so many of the peasants, so many of the employees and quotas based on nationality. In particular, microelectronics was also destroyed. Students, on the other hand, intuitively searched for their own kind, some informal associations were created. By interest. Not political. I went into one. The dean's office was hostile, dispersed. Or rather, not the dean's office, but the party organization of the institute.
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 26 May 2022 22: 13
                    +3
                    Lyudmila Yakovlevna, we didn’t have any quotas because of the terrible pace of study at the Physicotechnical Institute. It's a pity that you don't have an e-mail, I would send Vai memoirs "My studies at the Physicotechnical Institute". However, take a look at proza.ru, there, it seems, it is exhibited. We studied under the post-war programs, when it was necessary to urgently create an atomic bomb and delivery vehicles. And we were taught by the same children of artisans and collective farmers who graduated from institutes in the 30s and 40s. There were also young people who graduated from universities in the 50s and 60s, in particular, one of the founders of the Kvant magazine, A.L. Stasenko (now he is 85 years old, just saw him today). Urmaty was read by Nikita Vyacheslavovich Zvolinsky, who in the 30s was the secretary of Chaplygin's seminar. Difuras were read by Professor Mishchenko (remember the textbook by Pontryagin, Mishchenko, Gamkrelidze?). I have no prejudice either towards hard workers or collective farmers, if they are really working people and not idlers. I think Pareto's theory of the "chosen 20%" is racist. As for student opposition, I can cite an episode from the autumn of 1974 to the dull resolutions of the "Party and Government" of the era of stagnation. In the summer, we all had a mandatory construction team (there was a reorganization of groups according to specialties, so the mandatory MTR united the team well), and there was a decree prohibiting the use of students who worked in the construction team for seasonal agricultural work in the fall. And in September, during the beautiful weather, our 3rd year party bureau decided to send it to Saturday-Sunday for the "battle for the harvest." Our Komsomol bureau of the course, where I was also a member, decided not to violate the decree of the Party and the Government and refused to go for potatoes. Well, if there had been bad weather, or some kind of cataclysm, we would have gone, but there was nothing but a stupid report to the region that "all students are fighting for the harvest." So, within the framework of the Komsomol, we had such a formal association. The course is about 100 people. In the end, a compromise was accepted - half a course was taken for half a day on Saturday, half a course - on Sunday, in the report to the regional committee it was written that all students took part in the "battle for the harvest." You, it seems to me, use the word "collective farmer" in an abusive sense, like Shpakovsky's word "worker". Well, he can, he is a propagandist-defiant, but you are from the scientific and technical environment. Such snobbery does not suit you.
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 26 May 2022 22: 32
                      +1
                      And this is not snobbery at all. Because snobbery is contempt. I have never expressed any disdain for people from other social strata. I do not accept only ignoramuses, who, out of their naivety, brazenly claim to be recognized as deeply cultured, actively impose their unfit opinions on others. It was these large groups that came into science in the 80s and 90s. Look at our officials - that's where the snobbery is! And the diplomas are bought, or a continuous compilation of other people's work. Were there few disclosures? And they, revelations, continue.
                      As for MIPT, it was the most elite university in the country. Not MSU. At MIPT, when you entered it, there was a strict selection of talented applicants. And now even in this university they complain, they say, they have to complete their studies. So what about my snobbery - by! I live among ordinary people, and none of them can say that I disrespect someone. And none of these people disrespect me. But if I talk to one of them, say, about the peculiarities of Japanese poetry, then the person will look at me strangely, saying that I am not crazy. This is what is called belonging to different circles of society.
                      1. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 26 May 2022 22: 55
                        +3
                        Well, I can't keep up the conversation about Japanese poetry either. Unless haiku remembered: "I carefully put the rake / At the neighbor's door / - I want to learn mistakes!" Get yourself an e-mail, a very useful thing. As for students - “you can’t live in society and be free from society. Some kind of classic, Marx, sort of. And in general, as the doctors say, “What is the table, so is the chair.” This is me about society and the quality of students. statements about the abolition of the Bologna system in our country - it's long overdue, it has been here since 2003. But the next academic year will still be with her (I just distributed hours among the department). and in MPEI only bachelors and masters. I deal with three institutes here. As for the so-called "managers - managers", what can be said, saves a sense of humor and mimicry under the good soldier Schweik. Somehow a long time ago, about 20 years ago, before the next elections, they began to demand from the heads of the meeting minutes with resolutions that everyone would go to the next elections in orderly rows and vote as they should. upcoming elections
                        The decision of the meeting on paragraph No. 1 - must be observed
                        The decision on point No. 2 is for the entire sector to come to the polling station and perform a group civil act there. Number, signature.
                      2. depressant
                        depressant 26 May 2022 23: 14
                        +2
                        On the second point - smart, and you will not refuse humor! )))
                        They demanded what goes without saying.
                        And there is nothing to blame you for.
  9. vladcub
    vladcub 26 May 2022 11: 12
    +4
    "John Hawkins", and his son Jim Hawkins and his mother kept a tavern: "Admiral Benbow"
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 11: 51
      +4
      "John Hawkins", and his son Jim Hawkins and his mother kept a tavern: "Admiral Benbow"

      Good boy! laughing

      1. Fat
        Fat 26 May 2022 20: 10
        +1
        hi Thanks Nikolay. This is great! You won’t share a secret how to post a video for everyone ... mmmm. Acquaintances?
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 21: 07
          +1
          Hello Andrey Borisovich! drinks
          In the open comment window (when writing), select the second icon on the right (floppy disk), and enter the copied URL from YouTube - the video that you have chosen.
          I am writing from a computer (I have not mastered the mobile Internet), perhaps the interface from the mobile will be different. Anton calls me a caveman, and my mobile phone is eight years old. laughing Yes, push button! request
          1. Fat
            Fat 26 May 2022 22: 33
            +2
            I will learn, I answer, with such a sequence, the Site writes to me - inadmissible content, it's even easier ... I use both a computer and a mobile ... But only bypassing Yandex, I manage to be "up to date and grades." Native software does not want to deliver such awareness to me for some time now. I even "can't" find out on Yandex whether you were honored to reply to the post. Sad. recourse
            1. Fat
              Fat 26 May 2022 23: 04
              +2
              Forgive me, Nikolai, that I arbitrarily switched to "YOU" is not good - tell me,
              Sincerely. Sincerely yours, Pestrikov A.B.
          2. vladcub
            vladcub 27 May 2022 13: 38
            +1
            Nicholas, hello. I also carry push buttons. In the 18th I bought Xenium and now I carry it, but for the Internet a tablet
  10. lisikat2
    lisikat2 26 May 2022 12: 35
    +2
    Quote: depressant
    Oh how romantic! )))
    I'll add my share of skepticism.
    "British scientists have discovered an interesting pattern: 86% of pirates do not have one eye on the side of the shoulder on which the parrot sits" (c)

    Probably a parrot pecked?
  11. mihaylov
    mihaylov 26 May 2022 12: 49
    +5
    In clashes with his detachment, General Thomas Baskerville was wounded in the stomach.

    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 14: 27
      +4
      In clashes with his detachment, General Thomas Baskerville was wounded in the stomach.

      - What is it, Barrymore?
      Bullet, sir!
      1. mihaylov
        mihaylov 26 May 2022 14: 43
        +8
        Quote: Pan Kohanku
        In clashes with his detachment, General Thomas Baskerville was wounded in the stomach.

        - What is it, Barrymore?
        Bullet, sir!

        Soon we will board a ship and sail around the world through three oceans and sixteen seas. Traveling around the world is the best medicine for an Englishman. We will not take a dirty steamer, we will take a beautiful five-masted ship and sail and
        we will destroy the Spanish fleet of the Atlantic Ocean, we will destroy and plunder the Spanish colonies of the West Indies, we will “privatize” the galleons of the “silver convoys” coming from the New World
        wassat
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 26 May 2022 14: 54
          +3
          I laugh out loud for the second time! laughing good Thank you, Sergey, laugh from the heart! drinks
        2. Fat
          Fat 26 May 2022 22: 53
          +2
          Enough!
          Quote: Mihaylov
          soon we will board a ship and sail around the world through three oceans and sixteen seas. Traveling around the world is the best medicine for an Englishman. We will not board a dirty steamer, we will board a beautiful five-masted ship and sail and ...
          ... laughing
          Enough... I can barely contain the burst of enthusiastic laughter....
          What a noble Impulse, What Forces... for a month of sailing lol
          .... I won’t talk about scurvy in the fleet, where they never saw sauerkraut repeat
    2. lisikat2
      lisikat2 26 May 2022 15: 25
      +3
      "General Thomas Baskerville was wounded in the stomach" it is a pity that not Hugo and not in the stomach, but a little lower.
      1. mihaylov
        mihaylov 26 May 2022 15: 38
        +4
        Quote from lisikat2
        And not in the stomach, but a little lower.

        I'm even afraid to guess where! wassat
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 26 May 2022 22: 26
        0
        Hey Katherine!

        Why did you not like Oleg Yankovsky so much? wassat

  12. Bogatyrev
    Bogatyrev 26 May 2022 13: 26
    +1
    And then the British threw and supported the Protestants of the Netherlands. And Spain lost its status as a world power. You can't trust the British.
  13. lisikat2
    lisikat2 26 May 2022 13: 36
    +3
    Good afternoon. Valery, thanks for the story about Drake.
    I read about the Spanish "Armada" in history and in some kind of women's novel, the actions took place in that period, but about the "Drake's Armada" it was new.
    Probably, God really does not like pride: the Spaniards embraced pride and they forgot to pray to God and he punished them. The British also ran into the same rake and ......
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 26 May 2022 14: 58
      +3
      The British also ran into the same rake and ......
      Medieval disco on a rake. laughing
      1. lisikat2
        lisikat2 26 May 2022 15: 12
        +2
        And who was the DJ, God?
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 26 May 2022 15: 18
          +4
          Prophet Elijah, he is there in heaven, in charge of the weather.
  14. lisikat2
    lisikat2 26 May 2022 15: 19
    +4
    Quote: Korsar4
    And what was Drake doing "in retirement"? Do not let go of the usual way of life.

    In addition, there is no "extra" money
  15. lisikat2
    lisikat2 26 May 2022 15: 28
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    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    In clashes with his detachment, General Thomas Baskerville was wounded in the stomach.

    - What is it, Barrymore?
    Bullet, sir!

    - Oatmeal ran out?!
  16. faterdom
    faterdom 26 May 2022 19: 11
    +2
    and General Thomas Baskerville, appointed commander of the landing units.

    I wonder if a sailor or soldier Barrymore was his adjutant?
  17. Carlos Hall
    Carlos Hall 26 May 2022 19: 27
    +3
    Good article. The English don't make movies in Hollywood with their defeats.
  18. lisikat2
    lisikat2 26 May 2022 21: 23
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    Quote: Mihaylov
    Quote from lisikat2
    And not in the stomach, but a little lower.

    I'm even afraid to guess where! wassat

    So you're not Hugo Baskerville
  19. Ionmoral
    Ionmoral 28 July 2022 14: 34
    0
    Good morning, thanks for the story. To your health
  20. BlasdeLezo
    BlasdeLezo 12 August 2022 22: 22
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    Siento gran pena al ver cómo el pueblo ruso, que tantas similitudes de todo tipo tiene con el pueblo español, tiende a comprar la versión anglosajona de la leyenda negra española y no distingue la pura propaganda similar a la empleada hoy en día contra Rusia (país atrasado, tiránico, barbaro y cruel)
    La labor de España en América no tiene parangón en la historia moderna. Las posesiones españolas en América no eran colonias sino territorios de ultramar, y los ciudadanos de allí tan españoles como los de la península. Solo 1/5 de las riquezas iban a España (el quinto real). Ciudad de México, Lima, eran ciudades más prosperas que las ciudades peninsulares.
    1. Ionmoral
      Ionmoral 30 August 2022 12: 41
      0
      Tienes toda razón.... y si es una pena que los camaradas rusos ,no vean más allá de(leyenda negra) sus narices