New York Times: Ukraine's military victory over Russia looks unrealistic

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The New York Times writes in an editorial that it considers unrealistic not only the victory of Kyiv in the military conflict with Russia, but also the return of territories lost in eight years. Despite the fact that, as the article says, Russia's military operations are very chaotic, the Russian army remains strong and continues its systematic offensive in Ukraine.

The publication urges Biden to make it clear to Zelensky that the unconditional support of the United States and NATO for Kyiv in the confrontation with Russia will not be endless. According to the newspaper, Washington should clarify its long-term plans and name the real goals that America is trying to achieve by standing on the side of Ukraine. Otherwise, such support could lead to the escalation of the conflict and endanger peace and security throughout Europe.

Without clarity on these issues, the White House not only risks losing American interest in supporting Ukrainians who continue to suffer the loss of lives and livelihoods, but also endangers long-term peace and security on the European continent.

- states the publication.

According to the New York Times, the continued bellicose rhetoric of the White House prevents Zelensky from deciding to start negotiations with Moscow. And if, nevertheless, a dialogue between Kyiv and Moscow on the cessation of hostilities begins, then the Ukrainians themselves will have to make decisions on the terms of the peace treaty. And for sure, according to the publication, in this compromise solution, Ukraine will have to accept the separation of part of the territories that are already under Russian control.

The task now is to get rid of the euphoria, stop the ridicule and focus on defining and completing the mission.

according to the New York Times.

In this situation, it is America that must decide what place Ukraine will take in the new world order after the end of the military conflict with Russia, the New York Times concludes.

Comments

[Carlos Hall]

The New York Times looks like they just discovered America, lol. The Ukrainian army has no chance against the invincible Russian army. The Russian army is a myth, and it will again respond with a new victory.

[TANKa]

In this situation, it is America that must decide what place Ukraine will take in the new world order after the end of the military conflict with Russia,

This question can be raised after Russia decides whether the state of Ukraine will exist!

[mitroha]

what place will Ukraine take in the new world order after the end of the military conflict with Russia

I just want to answer with the words from the unforgettable film "Gentlemen of Fortune" - your place is at .... and further in the text.

[Alex777]

And what about Ukraine after the end of the conflict with Russia?

[Sydor Kovpak]

No Ukraine, no problem!
There is no other way out.

[Alex777]

Judging by the behavior of the "malicious government", this is how it is.

[seregatara1969]

It is to a fire in all of Europe that they are pushing the world so that America rules the world.

[Alexander Salenko]

It certainly won't exist in this form.

[gansales]

Behind Russia is the truth and our ancestors who broke the back of European fascism ..!
Now their grandchildren and great-grandchildren have again begun to fight and again with all of Europe + the USA, etc.
Our cause is just and the enemy will be defeated!
Get up the country is huge .. This song is already relevant again!
PS The drain of Ukraine has begun ... There is trade, but now the conditions will be set and are already being set in the economy and politics by RUSSIA!

[Kesha1980]

You will score a record for pluses

[Sydor Kovpak]

I agree since we are hinted through the media .....

[Vend]

Ukraine will not take any place, there will be no Ukraine, thanks to the USA

[Revolver]

Quote from Carlos Sala

The Russian army is a myth

The Russian army is a reality. How was it in the textbook of philosophy? Something like "objective reality given to us in sensations." And the myths are Ukrainian "victories" and "the Ukrainian army is the strongest in Europe."

[Carlos Hall]

mythical. mythical is one meaning, and myth is another. The translator sometimes changes the meaning.

[Alex Justice]

The Russian army is already hunting for single soldiers:
[media=https://zen.yandex.ru/video/watch/628638cbf3ec242a39b590f4]

[STORM 12]

Two bullets for each in the store, in the cinema ..

[73bor]

It just smacks of evacuation from Afghanistan! Or just me alone...

[mojohed2012]

After they pray for the Armed Forces in the vicinity of the LDNR, ours will go on the offensive in the West of Ukraine.
That's when we will find out whether there will be an evacuation like in Afghanistan, or again it will slowly gnaw at their fortifications, killing hundreds of Ukrainian Volkssturm.

[Pivot]

No, the GDP will decide whether there will be Ukraine at all.

[Kesha1980]

I propose to hold a cynical referendum. We will appoint Yakubovich as the leader. Live, our CEC will count the votes. And in the end, all of Europe will shudder when Yakubovich, out of habit, shouts "SUPER GAME! Let's move on to questions about Europe!"
And on the drum - the names of the countries.

[Grits]

Quote: Kesha1980

And on the drum - the names of the countries.

And the sound of some representatives fainting...

[Kesha1980]

"Sector prize! How much will you give me so that I don't open the black box with the red button?!"

[VitaminBF3mg]

Prize for the studio

[Common sense]

New York Times: Ukraine's military victory over Russia looks unrealistic

And before you think it looked realistic?

[Andrey Moskvin]

As presented, so it looked. Apparently, far from reality.

[alexmach]

And before you think it looked realistic?

Believe it or not, but for the especially stubborn, of whom for some reason there is a special majority around, she still looks like this.

[Sergio_7]

According to the New York Times, the continued bellicose rhetoric of the White House prevents Zelensky from deciding to start negotiations with Moscow

What are the negotiations? Only surrender!

[_Ugene_]

they will go to real negotiations only when defeat is inevitable, as long as there is a chance the West will fight with Russia even to the last Ukrainian, for them all these human losses are a plus - the Slavs are killing the Slavs

[Sergio_7]

In this situation, it is America that must decide what place Ukraine will take in the new world order after the end of the military conflict with Russia, the New York Times concludes.

Russia will decide!

[fruc]

According to the newspaper, Washington should clarify its long-term plans and name real goals........

Everything has long been announced: - to weaken the Russian Federation militarily, politically, economically with its further disintegration.

[Imperium_Aeterna]

Stopping the war now is not beneficial for the states. They will arm to the last and drive crowds of Ukrainians into the eastern meat grinder.
Do not forget - America is losing dollars, Ukrainians - people. Now mostly residents of the eastern, "Russian" regions.
Nobody will feel sorry for them.

[tralflot1832]

US victory in Ukraine is unrealistic! Ukraine is just a pretext.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

US victory in Ukraine is unrealistic!

Ukraine, this is only help to the United States, "cannon fodder."

[faterdom]

In this situation, it is America that must decide what place Ukraine will take in the new world order after the end of the military conflict with Russia, the New York Times concludes.

America was asked to decide. December.
Now "her opinion is very important for us," just like Kiev's. Putin decides in this region who, what and why.
But America will have to admit this (what Macron, Scholz and Johnson and Draga think is “very important for us”). And for the States, the choice will narrow, between thermonuclear war, declining living standards, a market crisis, de-dollarization in world trade and a rising China. That is, all the factors are already there, but the threat of war is just a way of suicide, which even the half-dead Biden will not be allowed to take.

[Svarog]

The New York Times writes in an editorial that it considers unrealistic not only the victory of Kyiv in the military conflict with Russia, but also the return of territories lost in eight years.

As soon as this fact reaches the majority of Ukrainians, the special operation will end quickly and Ukrainians will live happily in our state.. absolutely nothing will change for ordinary Ukrainians, some oligarchs will replace others.. But the fact that we will be together will mean that we will be stronger..

[Negruz]

Which oligarchs will come?

[parusnik]

some oligarchs will replace others ..

Instead of Akhmetov, someone will come, Novitsky will remain .. Or rather, he has already remained. (Kherson, his patrimony)

[Alexander Salenko]

Oh, not soon, and there they have solid wins, on TV's coming out

[Negruz]

With each new day, Russia needs negotiations less and less, and compromises with the United States are more and more unrealistic....
This article was supposed to be published in late February - early March: now the train has already left ....
Now the subject of negotiations with the United States can only be the continued existence of Ukraine as a member of the Customs Union and the CSTO in some greatly reduced size and for only one purpose: the procedure for paying external non-military debts to Ukraine's creditors...

[TANKa]

Now the subject of negotiations with the United States can only be the continued existence of Ukraine as a member of the Customs Union and the CSTO in some greatly reduced size and for only one purpose: the procedure for paying external non-military debts to Ukraine's creditors...

And if there is no Ukraine left, who will repay the debt? Or will he be written off? Don't you have to pay military debts?

[Negruz]

It is precisely because creditors need a debtor that Ukraine will remain in some capacity ....
War debts - creditor risks: an evil fool to himself ....

[Yrec]

Nothing! What a hell of a bad thing! The NYT recruited captains-obvious.

[Vadmir]

And for sure, according to the publication, in this compromise solution, Ukraine will have to accept the separation of part of the territories that are already under Russian control.

Hence the conclusions, the later we start negotiations, the better for Russia and the worse for Ukraine. In the presence of our successes at the front, of course.

[Saboteur_Navy]

I don't understand how nuclear power number one can lose? Russia can only take the whole world with it! Is this what the US is counting on?

[dauria]

I don't understand how nuclear power number one can lose?

Just like both superpowers lost in Afghanistan.
Or the US in Vietnam. Or China in Vietnam.
Once - and lost.
And by the way, about "the whole world that Russia can take away." That's the trouble, it can't. All that the United States and the Russian Federation can do together is to slightly spoil their territories for 30 years, ditching 50 million (there were more before SALT). That's a trifle for a planet with seven billion.

[certero]

Too many cheers for patriotic comments that would have been appropriate before the special operation. Undoubtedly, militarily, Russia is much stronger than Ukraine, and we will win. Just not the kind of fights we expected. We were waiting for the war of the XNUMXst century, where the Russian army will be exactly the army of the XNUMXst with drones, drones, remotely destroying the enemy with long-range guided weapons from helicopters and so on. But in reality, we see combat battles like during World War II, tanks against tanks, and whoever pushes more artillery is right. and for example, I absolutely don’t care that the enemy suffers more losses, I want our troops to carry them as little as possible

[Alexander Salenko]

And he said for a long time, though not on this site, that artillery continues to steer and it steered in the Karabakh war, and in 2014-15, so you’re vainly rolling a barrel at it. The projectile is cheaper, it is theoretically possible to intercept it, but much more difficult than a rocket. And there was a lot of controversy about the fact that tanks are not needed. There is one such opponent of tanks, Lyosha Kungurov, so he even banned me when he said, don’t talk nonsense.

[Vadmir]

Just not the kind of fights we expected. We were waiting for the war of the XNUMXst century, where the Russian army will be exactly the army of the XNUMXst with drones, drones, remotely destroying the enemy with long-range guided weapons from helicopters and so on.

Our army was sharpened for small local wars. After all, there were only "partners" around, with whom it was not supposed to fight. The size of our army is simply in no way comparable to the length of the borders. Drones and high-precision weapons are good, but in big wars they are not of decisive importance.

But in reality, we see combat battles like during World War II, tanks against tanks, and whoever pushes more artillery is right.

If they fought like during the Second World War, the Ukrainian army would have already been defeated. They fight with the help of BTG, take village after village. No coverage, boilers. So you can fight in Syria. It is impossible to fight like that in Ukraine, it is necessary just like in 1944-45 to fight with divisions and armies, setting them operational and strategic tasks for the entire front.

[evgen1221]

NYT, what happened?))) at the beginning of the month, they themselves proved the opposite to the whole world with their experts and sources in the pontogon.

[GNM]

make it clear to Zelensky that the unconditional support of the United States and NATO for Kyiv in the confrontation with Russia will not be endless.

Will he understand? The rest have been clear for a long time.

[mihey]

it is America that must decide what place Ukraine will take in the new world order

your america goes through the woods on a hiking erotic journey

[Mavrikiy]

New York Times: Ukraine's military victory over Russia looks unrealistic

You really are. The photo shows typical orcs. They just handed over the batons for temporary storage. Here podharchatsya and again into battle. And until they are sewn, everything can happen again .....

[Baldoha]

And until they are sewn, everything can happen again ..... request
Do you suggest changing their firmware? I'm afraid their ROM won't last.

[Cowbra]

The White House not only risks losing American interest in supporting Ukrainians

But this, kmk, is the purpose of the special operation. See - with the constant pumping of weapons and instructors, the conflict is potentially endless. And defeat the Russian Federation in a week Ukria, it would be an endless topic, here the barbarians from Moscow destroyed Rome. We kick them and express words of support, it will be like the still existing anti-communist movement in the West, when the USSR is long gone.
But in the hot phase of the confrontation, the West has completely different expenses, and it hits the wallet, and there’s no sense in sight, and jambs come out, like an American shooter, with the emblem of Azov. And already now the mood is going on - yes, your lokhs have pulled up, they are stupidly tired! And when they are tired, it is somehow difficult to support them.
So it turns out - time is working for us.
Sorry for the clumsiness of the presentation, but in detail the article will be published in volume

[certero]

Quote: Cowbra

And defeat the Russian Federation in a week Ukria, it would be an endless topic

Everyone around would know not to joke with Russia. Because it can defeat such a large country in a week.
You know what just surprises me so much? Such a chorus of voices began to say that a long military operation is much better than a quick and lightning-fast one.
It is not possible to comment on this only with censorship words.
One can really turn to the experience of well-known military leaders such as Suvorov, Zhukov or Rokossovsky, who, like fools, believed that the enemy should be defeated as quickly as possible.

[RUSSIAN_Ksyusha]

Either this is a so-called tentative step, a cunningly launched kind of informational provocation in order to make us unnecessarily relaxed, or someone in the New York Times took a risk on his own head to think properly and be more or less objective in the current state of affairs in relation to America and Ukraine.

[cniza]

In this situation, it is America that must decide what place Ukraine will take in the new world order after the end of the military conflict with Russia, the New York Times concludes.

America, as always, takes on a lot...

[rocket757]

New York Times: Ukraine's military victory over Russia looks unrealistic

Over the hill they have not yet understood that we do not need at least some of OUR territory, where anti-Russia will flourish !!!
When they realize it will be too late.

[iouris]

Baidin knows this very well. And what?

[Mouse]

Quote: TANKa

In this situation, it is America that must decide what place Ukraine will take in the new world order after the end of the military conflict with Russia,

This question can be raised after Russia decides whether the state of Ukraine will exist!

No questions - apparently everything has already been decided. This is the territory of Russia. Ukrainians as a people, of course, but Ukraine cannot be. This is the last lesson in the senior class. I think the girl has already grown up.

[Sydor Kovpak]

It will take more than one year to eradicate this fascist ideology. But if you wait, it will be even more difficult. The remnants of Ukraine will never be pro-Russian! Even Slavic. If they change religion and culture to a pro-Western one!!!!

[Ugochaves]

Quote: Negruz

and only for one purpose: the procedure for paying external non-military debts to Ukraine's creditors...

Even imagining that Ukraine will remain in its current size, it will not be able to support itself, let alone repay loans. Their problems with the economy began last year, and even in their current state .... for them there really will be the best way out - to forget the word Ukraine for good.

[Normann]

When will this hegemon get hit in the nose? which he puts where he doesn't belong.

[composite]

On the line for two months. The same "gold" as, according to Strelkov, and the first.
then the economy will fizzle out, and heavy weapons will flow to the enemy like a river, and somehow there is no idea about the Plan of the commander-in-chief in principle.
at best, the Istanbul agreements until the confrontation is restarted (subject to the capture of Odessa and Nikolaev). All other cases are worse.

[riwas]

According to the New York Times, the continued bellicose rhetoric of the White House prevents Zelensky from making a decision to start negotiations with Moscow.

Yes, and even their Nazis. With such a mood of Ukraine and the United States and a not very high pace of the special operation, the latter will last until the end of this year. We will certainly win, but it will not be fast.

[FoBoss_V]

I've been wanking like this for a couple of years. Judging by the pace

[TatarinSSSR]

I'm afraid that the American journalists did not understand that the fate of Ukraine is decided not by the United States, but by Russia and Poland, because parts of the territory of this sub-state will go to them. The rest of the countries here only either make money or suffer for the idea. American.

[FoBoss_V]

I would add that the very existence of Ukraine as a kkk state is under threat and a big question. Lugansk, Crimea, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhya have already been irretrievably lost. Kharkiv, Nikolaev, Odessa are next in line. Well, Poltava, Sumy, Chernigov and Dnepropetrovsk will also be returned home. What will be left there?