"Terminators" participate in the Special Operation

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One of the BMPTs participating in the Special Operation. Photo Telegram / "Notes of Correspondents"

A few days ago it became known that Russian military support vehicles appeared in the zone of the Special Military Operation tanks / fire support "Terminator-2". Then some details of their deployment and use became known. Real combat missions are set before the equipment and its crews, and in addition, tactical issues are being worked out.

In the zone of contact


On May 15, an interesting video appeared on specialized resources. It was filmed near the city of Severodonetsk (LPR) and showed the passage of a column of Russian armored vehicles. A couple of tanks and several Terminator-2 support vehicles got into the frame at once. Previously, our BMPTs did not appear in the Special Operations zone or were not noticed.



A couple of days later, another video appeared in the public domain with the passage of an BMPT from the group under the “V” sign. Judging by the signature, it was made a few days earlier, but was not published for one reason or another. Then there was a spectacular photo of the "Terminator" with the letter "Z", participating in the operation.

18 May RIA News, referring to its own source, revealed some details of the work of the BMPT and the goals set for them. The source said that the "Terminators-2" attached to tank platoons and should reinforce them. Together, they attack and destroy a wide range of enemy targets - positions, armored vehicles, anti-tank systems with crews, etc.

"Terminators" participate in the Special Operation

"Terminators" near Severodonetsk. Frame from video from Telegram / ChDambiev

As part of the Special Operation, issues of the combat use of BMPTs are also being worked out. Based on the results of current and future battles, the place of the Terminators in the structure of armored groups will be finally determined. In addition, the formation of tactics for the use of such equipment will be completed. The special operation has already shown the need to reinforce armored units with fire support vehicles, and therefore appropriate measures are being taken.

Thus, it is now known that the latest BMPTs are also participating in the Special Operation. They are involved in at least two directions - as part of the "V" and "Z" groups. It can be expected that in the near future not only columns on the march will be shown, but also the combat work of the Terminators and their crews. At the same time, in the headquarters and specialized institutes, an analysis of the combat work of equipment will be carried out behind closed doors with the issuance of certain recommendations.

Way to the troops


Tank support combat vehicles are one of the most interesting modern domestic developments, but they did not immediately manage to get into the troops. The first version of the "Terminator" appeared in the late nineties, but did not progress beyond the tests. It was the same with the following modernization projects. Despite all the advantages, the army did not see the point in such a technique.

The situation began to change only in the tenth years. The next version of the BMPT, known as the "Terminator-2", was able to interest the army and entered full-scale tests. In 2017, it was announced that the new BMPT was tested not only at test sites, but also in a real conflict in Syria. All the required characteristics and capabilities were shown.


BMPT column on the march. Frame from the video from Telegram / "Nezhurka"

In August 2017, the first contract for the production and supply of BMPT "Terminator-2" appeared. Already in the spring of next year, the first batch of 10 units. was handed over to the customer and entered service with one of the formations of the Central Military District. Probably, in the future, production continued, but its success was not disclosed.

One way or another, at the moment there are at least a dozen BMPTs in our army. Since 2018, they have been regularly involved in exercises. Now the "Terminators" are involved in a full-fledged military operation and have the opportunity to show their full potential.

Technical potential


All variants of the BMPT were built on the chassis of domestic main tanks. So, in the Terminator-2 project, a body with a power plant and chassis from the T-90 was used. Such a chassis has combined armor and dynamic protection, and also shows high driving performance.

An original combat module in the form of a full-rotation turret with a set of weapons is mounted on the chassis. Main weapon BMPT - a pair of 30-mm automatic guns 2A42 with 900 rounds of ammunition. They are paired with a PKTM machine gun with 2000 rounds. Also on the tower are two launchers for four Ataka guided missiles. The turret armament is supplemented by two AG-17D grenade launchers in fenders, each of which has 300 rounds.

The Terminator is equipped with the Frame fire control system. It includes a commander's panoramic sight and gunner-operator's optics, a set of various sensors, a ballistic computer, a weapon stabilizer, etc. The SLA allows you to monitor and detect targets in a wide range of ranges, and also ensures the use of all available weapons.


Machines "Terminator-2" of the first production batch, transferred to the Central Military District. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
The effective firing range is determined by the weapon used and the type of target. So, a machine gun can be used for manpower at distances up to 1,5-2 km. The guns hit unprotected ground targets from 4 km and can fire at air targets at an inclined distance of up to 2-2,5 km. The Ataka-T missiles have a launch range of up to 6 km.

Terminator 2 is operated by a crew of five. This is a driver, commander, gunner-operator and two grenade launchers. The places of the commander and gunner are located under the turret, and the driver and grenade launchers work in the control compartment in the nose of the hull.

Practice check


During tests in Syria, the Terminators confirmed all the calculated characteristics and showed some of their capabilities. At the same time, they did not have to use their full potential: illegal armed formations were rather poorly equipped and armed, did not have armored vehicles, etc. All this to some extent limited the usefulness of testing our equipment.

Now, during the Special Operation in Ukraine, BMPTs meet with units of a full-fledged army with various equipment, armored vehicles and a large number of anti-tank weapons. In addition, the enemy has prepared fortifications and is trying to hide in urban areas, as well as hide behind the population. Obviously, the work of our "Terminators" in such conditions will be more difficult, but will also bring more benefits.

First of all, it is now possible to carry out a full-fledged test of the methods and methods of interaction between BMPTs and tanks, infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers, and on different landscapes and in different conditions. Joint maneuvering, data exchange, fire destruction of targets, etc. are being worked out.


BMPT at the exercises, December 2020. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

Crews get the opportunity to test and improve their skills in a full-fledged battle. They have to constantly and carefully monitor the environment and look for targets or take external target designation. It is also necessary to choose and use the optimal weapon for this purpose. In conditions of intense combat, a large load falls on the crew, however, the effect of its work can be the most serious.

Key tasks


BMPTs and their crews in the current Special Operation are assigned two main tasks. The first consists directly in participating in battles and inflicting fire damage on the enemy. The second is large scale and provides for the development of experience in combat use against a relatively developed and equipped enemy.

In the context of achieving the objectives of the Special Operation, the first task has higher priority. "Terminators-2" can destroy a variety of targets and protect friendly forces and means, which contributes to the speedy demilitarization of Ukraine and the reduction of risks for our army.

However, for the further development of the ground forces, the second task is more important - gaining experience. The features and results of the use of BMPT in the current operation will be studied and used to further improve the organizational and staffing structure of units and improve the methods and tactics of their work. How exactly they will be changed is unknown. However, it is clear that such adjustments will make it possible to more fully use the potential of both the BMPTs themselves and the equipment interacting with them.
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  1. +14
    20 May 2022 04: 36
    Great car in the right place. I don’t quite understand the author when he writes about a crew of five and automatic grenade launchers, describing the Terminator-2. There are no grenade launchers and grenade launchers in this model, and there are three people in the crew
    1. +44
      20 May 2022 05: 18
      two AG-17D grenade launchers in fenders,
      Two grenade launchers sit on the sides with a box of grenades and throw grenades as needed! laughing (Sarcasm, if so),,, feel
      1. +29
        20 May 2022 05: 39
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        Two grenade launchers sit on the sides with a box of grenades and throw grenades as needed! (sarcasm, if so)

        And a check specialist pulls a check? (countersarcasm wink )
        1. +15
          20 May 2022 05: 42
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          check specialist?

          Each grenade launcher has a CHECK-list, and he works on it! And an extra mouth is useless! drinks
        2. +11
          20 May 2022 06: 54
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          And a check specialist pulls a check?

          Specially trained Chekist...
          1. +7
            20 May 2022 07: 11
            Quote: mark1
            Specially trained Chekist...

            Exactly, no special good ! It's like a land ship!
            1. +4
              20 May 2022 11: 54
              Quote: Olddetractor
              I don’t quite understand the author when he writes about a crew of five and automatic grenade launchers ......
              Support.
              In the photo in the columns everywhere "Terminator-1".
              Terminator 1

              Terminator 2

              Photos from Ukraine
              1. -1
                20 May 2022 12: 26
                By the way, +2 crew members with good optics in rotating turrets and with their own grenade launchers are not superfluous at all in places where there are many shelters for the enemy (for example, urban development)
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              3. +5
                20 May 2022 14: 57
                In the photo in the columns everywhere "Terminator-1".

                This is Terminator 1

                And this is Terminator 2


                hi
                1. +1
                  20 May 2022 16: 24
                  Quote: Guru
                  This is Terminator 1
                  Actually, there was another single-barrel version of this BMPT,

                  then went the option that you have specified as Terminator-1

                  later they put on it a BM the same as on the Terminator-2 (aka BMPT-72), where the containers with ATGMs are armored.
                  There was another variant with a different side protection
    2. 0
      20 May 2022 07: 48
      And it's in the photo.
    3. -1
      20 May 2022 09: 56
      What's great about her? She is for the battlefield, and they are trying to poke her into the building? How will she be in it? With a snail's reverse, from a birth injury T-72? I went out from behind cover, shot and did not have time to bounce back, got NLAW. Reliable plan! Why in the building course grenade launchers? How to use them? Those. left the shelter, TURNED his body to the target, fired grenade launchers, then turned around again, reversed disappeared? The chances of getting ATGMs when trying to shoot with grenade launchers have increased several times ... What was conceived for working in the field along with tanks to cut off enemy armor - infantry, will now be deadly in the building for the crew.
      1. 0
        20 May 2022 15: 57
        Recently there was a story about NM and the shooting of the BTR-82a with a canopy. At least, for such use, "Terminator" is no worse.
    4. 0
      20 May 2022 11: 12
      Quote: Olddetractor
      Great car in the right place. I don’t quite understand the author when he writes about a crew of five and automatic grenade launchers, describing the Terminator-2. There are no grenade launchers and grenade launchers in this model, and there are three people in the crew

      In all the photos presented, there are grenade launchers, and hence grenade launchers. Without grenade launchers, it is clear that the car was not accepted, and was not purchased.
  2. +11
    20 May 2022 04: 40
    The tests are very encouraging ... and here it is the excellent quality of the observation and aiming devices that affects. BMPT crews see the enemy earlier and better than all our tanks, with the exception of the T-90M.
    1. -1
      20 May 2022 05: 40
      Quote: svp67
      BMPT crews see the enemy earlier and better than all our tanks, with the exception of the T-90M.
      Yes, and it most likely spit - eight eyes against four!
    2. +9
      20 May 2022 05: 57
      Quote: svp67
      Tests are going very encouragingly...

      Let me ask you, do you claim this as an eyewitness of the events or according to media reports?
      Quote: svp67
      BMPT crews see the enemy earlier and better than all our tanks, with the exception of the T-90M.

      In theory, the BMPT should see better than the T-90. This is the whole point. It should be provided with an automatic system for detecting "optical glass" and identify anti-tank systems at the deployment stage. By the way, there are already such devices from Shvabe, but they or the like are not declared in the list of BMPT equipment. Or replace one grenade launcher with a UAV operator, as an option.
      1. 0
        20 May 2022 10: 03
        Quote: Hagen
        Let me ask you, do you claim this as an eyewitness of the events or according to media reports?

        Let's just say, according to eyewitnesses ...
      2. +2
        20 May 2022 14: 31
        Quote: Hagen
        BMPT crews see the enemy earlier and better than all our tanks, with the exception of the T-90M.

        In theory, the BMPT should see better than the T-90. That's the whole point

        Are there other devices on the BMPT? Much more modern and better than on tanks? It is not clear why they are not on tanks.
        Then some details of their deployment and use became known.

        However, in the article the author does not say a word about this, so general reasoning from the Internet.
        1. +4
          20 May 2022 16: 35
          Well, this is Ryabov Kiril, from the author's constellation "Aquarius"!
          1. 0
            21 May 2022 03: 34
            Here I am about the same. Wishful thinking.
    3. +2
      20 May 2022 07: 44
      Tests are going very encouragingly

      Do you have a report or is it just a common phrase? In the article, I did not read about "very ..".
      1. +4
        20 May 2022 10: 03
        Quote: Konnick
        Do you have a report or is it just a common phrase? In the article, I did not read about "very ..".

        I know where these "Terminators" come from and people from there. Is that enough for you?
        1. -2
          20 May 2022 10: 18
          I know where these "Terminators" come from and people from there. Is that enough for you?

          Not enough, I also know who these "terminators" composed and did. They are stakeholders. That's when they say "needed like bread, like air", then we can say that the "terminators" have shown themselves.
          1. +3
            20 May 2022 10: 25
            Quote: Konnick
            I also know who these "terminators" composed and did

            But, and I know who exploits ...
            Quote: Konnick
            That's when they say "needed like bread, like air", then we can say that the "terminators" have shown themselves.

            Now, unfortunately, our army needs not only them ... often there is not enough simple and small, but vital ... we urgently need to make adjustments to the "state defense order", and this is not a quick matter
            1. -4
              20 May 2022 10: 26
              But, and I know who exploits ...

              Exactly where? Exploiting or fighting?
    4. +1
      20 May 2022 09: 27
      It remains to understand how much this Terminator costs compared to the T-90 m ...
    5. -2
      20 May 2022 10: 13
      The tests are very encouraging ... and here it is the excellent quality of the observation and aiming devices that affects. BMPT crews see the enemy earlier and better than all our tanks, with the exception of the T-90M.

      We have been talking about this here for a long time - our tank is practically blind, and all modernization should lead in the direction of improving visibility on the battlefield. Who first spotted the enemy - he won.
      It's like the commander's cupola on the T-34-85 against the regular T-34.
      1. +1
        20 May 2022 12: 04
        Quote: lucul
        It's like the commander's cupola on the T-34-85 against the regular T-34.
        A very correct analogy. The commander's turret would be useless without the commander, who was relieved of the tasks of the gunner and he was able to monitor the battlefield as a whole. If the crew of the BMPT had 6 people (commander, driver and 4 weapons operators), it would be good, but with 3 I don’t see any advantages over the tank.
        1. +2
          20 May 2022 18: 57
          Overload 4 - 5 is optimal. Mechvod. Commander. (12,7 in DUM). Main armament operator. (57 mm LShO AND 12,7) Auxiliary armament operator. (AGS 40 mm and 7,62 × 54.,) It would be nice to have a precision weapons operator concurrently with an UAV operator. ( Cornet. Damask steel. Lancet. Huge choice. Choose what you need.)
      2. 0
        7 July 2022 18: 42
        The turret was screwed back in the 43rd on the T-34/76, but there was not much sense from it - the commander combined the duties of a gunner (which, in my opinion, was initially wild nonsense).
    6. -1
      20 May 2022 15: 44
      BMPT crews see the enemy earlier and better than all our tanks, with the exception of the T-90M.

      Do terminators have a panoramic sight?
      1. +4
        20 May 2022 17: 33
        The Terminator is equipped with the Frame fire control system. It includes a commander's panoramic sight and gunner-operator's optics,
  3. -8
    20 May 2022 05: 30
    An article from rumors and speculation, well, they saw cars, but how they fight is still unknown.

    and here it is precisely the excellent quality of observation and aiming devices that affects.

    Which are themselves a good target and which are not protected from small arms. I wonder how long the excellent quality of large glass instruments that do not have bulletproof resistance will last. Everything will depend on the correct use of the BMPT, which can be used against tanks, but not against infantry. Against infantry, grenade launchers would be better.
    1. +1
      20 May 2022 16: 17
      Yes, damn it, according to your logic, in general, everything in the world does not have stamina, let's ride blind. The cameras will be broken, the sights will be broken, damn the IMBA small arms, why are we riveting tanks, we need more machine guns.
      Last sentence, CHIVO? What again?
      Everything will depend on the correct use of the BMPT, which can be used against tanks, but not against infantry. Against infantry, grenade launchers would be better.
      I didn't understand this stream of consciousness at all. Hmm! What to say. BMPT which can apply on tanks, better use it against infantry. ATGM is not a "main" weapon. This is a means of combating armored vehicles at a great distance. No one will ride the BMPT to attack tanks. At the expense of infantry and grenade launchers, are you generally in the subject or not? On this "Terminator-1" TWO grenade launcher!
      1. -5
        20 May 2022 16: 59
        On this "Terminator-1" TWO grenade launchers!

        It is on these that there are no course grenade launchers. Well, the sights should be like on a regular T-72, without a panorama, minimalist, without electronics.
        1. 0
          20 May 2022 22: 50
          Quote: Konnick
          On this "Terminator-1" TWO grenade launchers!

          It is on these that there are no course grenade launchers. Well, the sights should be like on a regular T-72, without a panorama, minimalist, without electronics.

          Are you blind? Are you laughing? Why shouldn't there be a panorama? What kind of nonsense? You need a THERMAL VISOR and PANORAMA.
  4. 0
    20 May 2022 06: 14
    Reputational risks are nothing compared to a real test of equipment in battle, so improvement goes on.
  5. 0
    20 May 2022 06: 40
    It would be nice to put 30 mm instead of one 57 mm
    1. +3
      20 May 2022 07: 49
      It would be nice to put 30 mm instead of one 57 mm

      And hide under the armor of the tower .... which is not. The tower is very necessary, we need protection of weapons, we need access to weapons to eliminate delays and reloading and the direct use of individual sighting devices for each type of weapon .. In the existing "module", if a huge birdhouse, a meter high, is extinguished, then the armored vehicle remains practically unarmed.
      1. 0
        20 May 2022 14: 20
        Quote: Konnick
        The tower is very necessary, we need weapon protection, we need access to weapons to eliminate delays and reloading and the direct use of separate sighting devices for each type of weapon.

        And again step on the rake of placing ammunition in the fighting compartment?

        By the way, this also applies to the 57 mm caliber so beloved by many. Where is the ammunition in "Derivation"?
        1. +1
          20 May 2022 17: 34
          Quote: DenVB
          By the way, this also applies to the 57 mm caliber so beloved by many. Where is the ammunition in "Derivation"?

          If 80 shells - then in the ring magazine at the bottom of the combat module. If more, then only in the fighting compartment, in the turret store.
          1. 0
            20 May 2022 18: 05
            Quote: Alexey RA
            If 80 shells - then in the ring magazine at the bottom of the combat module. If more, then only in the fighting compartment, in the turret store.

            Is the module separated by armor from the fighting compartment?
      2. 0
        7 July 2022 18: 44
        When it hits the turret, the tank is left unarmed in the same way. Or, more likely, none at all.
        1. -2
          7 July 2022 23: 07
          Depending on the hit, the Terminator does not have the protection of the weapons complex even from small arms
    2. +2
      20 May 2022 12: 46
      I would like to hear the arguments of the minus. The potential for upgrading 57mm is much higher than that of 30mm, the same projectiles with a programmable detonation. Plus, the use of this weapon in situations where the 30-mm does not quite cope with the task, and the ATGM is expensive.
      1. +1
        20 May 2022 16: 06
        "the same projectiles with programmable detonation" - I did not downvote, but at least there is still the task of creating such ammunition in 57-mm caliber. Roughly speaking, while there is nothing to shoot from the 57-mm. Do not shoot with old shots from the S-60. And, all these hobbies with large calibers are often due to the inability to create programmable fuses of 30-40 mm, as in the West.
        1. +2
          20 May 2022 18: 12
          Quote: d4rkmesa
          And, all these hobbies with large calibers are often due to the inability to create programmable fuses of 30-40 mm, as in the West.

          Yes, what an impossibility, what are you talking about? Any smart electronics student can get you a working prototype in a week. Why our military-industrial complex cannot organize their mass production is the greatest mystery. They don’t even need any sub-sanctioned components - these are cheap microprocessors that are sold in tons, at ten cents apiece.
  6. +4
    20 May 2022 07: 18
    Real combat missions are set before the equipment and its crews, and in addition, tactical issues are being worked out.

    And it looked like this.
    - Technology, stand up! Equal! Attention! Listen to the REAL combat mission! At ease! Start working on tactical issues :)
    Skynet would die of pride.
    "Before" the rest of the "equipment and crews", according to the logic of the "author", the combat missions up to this point were set unrealistic, therefore they are still facing ...
    Tasks, for that matter, are not assigned to someone (this is not a bottle of kefir), but to someone.
    You can not read further.
  7. 0
    20 May 2022 09: 04
    Not a bad landfill found!
  8. +6
    20 May 2022 10: 03
    Quote: svp67
    see the enemy earlier and better

    Curious how to detect the Ukrainian calculation of the Stugna ATGM?
    This ATGM is controlled remotely, the operator can hide from the thermal imager and from visual detection behind any shelter, the ATGM itself can be disguised. Of course, during reloading, the calculation can be detected, but the first shot will be behind them anyway.
    1. +5
      20 May 2022 10: 24
      Curious how to detect the Ukrainian calculation of the Stugna ATGM?

      Correct question. Again, we are convinced of the need for a UAV with a thermal imager. "I can see everything from above, you know that"
    2. +1
      20 May 2022 10: 27
      Quote: Order
      Curious how to detect the Ukrainian calculation of the Stugna ATGM?

      Here, of course, UAVs should help
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    5. 0
      20 May 2022 16: 15
      Quote: Order
      Quote: svp67
      see the enemy earlier and better

      Curious how to detect the Ukrainian calculation of the Stugna ATGM?
      This ATGM is controlled remotely, the operator can hide from the thermal imager and from visual detection behind any shelter, the ATGM itself can be disguised. Of course, during reloading, the calculation can be detected, but the first shot will be behind them anyway.

      Well, I see it this way, the commander in IR mode examines the area in his sector, focusing on potential dangerous places. Dominant heights with vegetation, ravines, forest belts, etc. Like any technique that works, the Stugna ATGM must have a thermal signature, and it must be worked out according to it. Plus, if the BMPT has devices that detect laser irradiation and optical devices, then this gives at least the azimuth of the threat. And judging by the way Ukrainians yell at the whole world and run with outstretched hands, it is unlikely that they have this "Stugna".
      1. +1
        20 May 2022 17: 40
        Quote: Usher
        Plus, if the BMPT has devices that detect laser irradiation and optical devices, then this gives at least the azimuth of the threat.

        It is written (in this article, later you need to climb on the net) that there are a lot of sensors, but which ones? ...
    6. 0
      22 May 2022 12: 04
      No way, just shoot at any place where it may be, for that and BC 900 shells to 30ke
    7. 0
      7 July 2022 18: 46
      Well, how many barmaleys with RPGs per "Stugna"?))
  9. +1
    20 May 2022 10: 29
    Quote: Hagen
    In theory, the BMPT should see better than the T-90. This is the whole point.

    Once again - what can she see? For those conditions where they are trying to position it - in a building.
    Just think about it - you are in a nameless conditional village. Cleanup. You have all observation devices at the level of 1.5-1.7m, i.e. lower than the fences around. Also, broken equipment and heaps of garbage from buildings interfere, i.e. only the gunner sees something in the BMPT from his 3 meters. Well, there is a working scheme - a tower and all the guidance observation devices on it ... But no, let's be low and dangerous in an open field, but we don't care what's in the cities ... This machine is for past wars.
    1. +2
      20 May 2022 11: 38
      Quote: arkadiyssk
      at the level of 1.5-1.7m, i.e.

      The height of the BMPT from the tracks to the highest point, according to open sources on the Internet, is 3330 - 3440 mm.
      I don’t know what data is accurate, but according to the dimensions of the BMPT, it can be judged that the commander’s panorama is at a height of 3 meters plus, since this is the highest point in the indicated overall dimensions.
      Yes, the gunner's sight is lower, but still there is a possibility that it is duplicated with the commander's panorama.
    2. 0
      20 May 2022 14: 35
      Quote: arkadiyssk
      Cleanup. You have all observation devices at the level of 1.5-1.7m, i.e. lower than the fences around.

      Interfering fences can simply shoot bursts. The Americans did just that in Iraq, there is a video of their tank raids. The machine gunner on the turret simply fires long bursts at anything that might pose any threat. Who's stopping you from doing the same? In general, urban combat is perhaps the main purpose of the BMPT. An elevation angle of up to 45 degrees is not just laid down.
    3. -1
      20 May 2022 16: 03
      Have you played games? What are the piles of garbage and fence? What kind of nonsense? Do you think you need to ride aerial platform? For this, there are UAVs and helicopters. Do you think the small size is a disadvantage? Justify? Just don’t talk about the fact that modern weapons are accurate, not a damn thing is accurate. Dimensions greatly affect the survival of equipment on the battlefield, and transportation.
  10. +3
    20 May 2022 10: 40
    Quote: Konnick
    Correct question. Again, we are convinced of the need for a UAV with a thermal imager.

    It is obvious that armored vehicles, the squad should only operate in conjunction with drones, this increases situational awareness, losses are reduced to zero.
    There should be a unified tactical level command and control system.
    Should....
    1. +2
      20 May 2022 12: 38
      and it, as it were, even should be - "Galaxy"! Each combat unit, up to a soldier, is on the screen, the possibility of an end-to-end communication channel up to the Minister of Defense, etc. A bunch of goodies of a modular open architecture with encryption, intelligence connection, etc.
  11. +1
    20 May 2022 12: 36
    Well, finally, there will be an intelligible answer: it is necessary - it is not necessary ... Although, they say, howl .. oh, there are no extra barrels in special operations ..
  12. +1
    20 May 2022 15: 59
    Quote: arkadiyssk
    What's great about her? She is for the battlefield, and they are trying to poke her into the building? How will she be in it? With a snail's reverse, from a birth injury T-72? I went out from behind cover, shot and did not have time to bounce back, got NLAW. Reliable plan! Why in the building course grenade launchers? How to use them? Those. left the shelter, TURNED his body to the target, fired grenade launchers, then turned around again, reversed disappeared? The chances of getting ATGMs when trying to shoot with grenade launchers have increased several times ... What was conceived for working in the field along with tanks to cut off enemy armor - infantry, will now be deadly in the building for the crew.

    And why not fight now? In your opinion, is it better to let armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles deal with such a task? The BMPT has two 30mm cannons, wide pointing angles, good visibility (panorama), and adequate protection (at the MBT level). This is much better than the BMP-1 Busurmanin, BMP-2 and BTR-82A. Which are now used to clean up the same settlements. It is better to let the BMPT drive in, surrounded by infantry, and behind the tank, for support, no matter how powerful and in case an enemy tank is encountered.
  13. 0
    20 May 2022 16: 22
    Poor Anglo-Saxons and other EU members!
    They banned the letters "Z" and "V", though they thought a lot about "O", like over gas - they say, we will cancel it, but then, the number "0" at the same time is very similar.
    Now here are the films, well, okay, "Zorro" is already old, but "Terminators-1,2" and other Doomsday are fresher - and then they are banned.
  14. 0
    21 May 2022 00: 08
    Quote: Usher
    Plus, if the BMPT has devices that detect laser irradiation and optical devices, then this gives at least the azimuth of the threat.

    It doesn’t work, experienced Stugna ATGM operators often point the missile above the target in the video and only when the missile approaches they lower the marker on the target, there is a slide mode.
    They even shot down a KA-52 hanging motionless, I think you know how to google and find this video, the operators were caught, but they managed to do things and shoot a video.
    About the Ka-52 in the media of the Russian Federation slipped information that the pilots ejected.
    There is nothing in the ATGM that shines into the thermal imager, it's just a tripod with servos, a very good quality thermal imaging sight and a transport launch canister with a missile with a tandem warhead.
  15. -2
    21 May 2022 00: 38
    It seems to me that small and petty people are engaged in the development and implementation of military equipment. As an example, you can watch cyclists. Very often short people ride bicycles with frame sizes larger by one, and sometimes by two numbers. Just don’t tell that they came to the store and really, really wanted a fox, and there were no other sizes except gigantic ones. The model range for teenagers is quite extensive, and it differs from an adult bicycle in terms of filling only in the size of the frame. The situation is similar with cars. Often, a toddler with universal ambitions is driving a huge SUV. Therefore, such chimeras are generated. It should have been guessed to put five souls into an iron zugunder and dream of indestructible firepower and sharp mobility. The craving for the construction of huge cruisers, super missile carriers, aircraft carriers and other king-ships with king-cannons is also apparently from there. The Lilliputians are trying to build Gulliver.
    As far as I understand, the current realities of hostilities require mobility on the battlefield comparable to the mobility of an eel in a frying pan. If you stop, be sure to fry. It is not for nothing that tank crews arrange swings. And I have little idea of ​​such mobility from the T-90 chassis, even with the turret removed.
    Well, okay, they made an uninhabited tower - gorgeous. Now the gunner will not have to chuff gases from shots. A twin mount of two 30mm cannons is great. Reliability through redundancy, if something happens to one (in war as in war), there is the second. Only a pair of AGS on the sides to what? In case the tower is torn off,? fight back? There is neither stabilization of the barrel, nor normal aiming. How to use them in the heat of battle? Well, five people - they are sitting there on top of each other. This is more like increasing the reliability of the crew due to redundancy.
    This suggests a simpler and cheaper option based on the BMP: the engine in the stern; the tower is the same, only uninhabited; a pair of 30 mm guns. Wanted something strange (ATGM)? A pair of shaitan carts (a modernized version of the SPG-9) on the sides of the tower. Crew in front.
    1. 0
      9 July 2022 08: 26
      Reliability through redundancy


      As far as my memory serves me, the idea of ​​​​the BMPT was originally - to create a well-armored vehicle with powerful weapons based on the main tank. This was justified by the use of existing industrial capacities with the unification of the use of parts of the manufactured equipment. Which will lead to mass and inexpensive production, i.e. avoiding the situation with the T-14. When there is a project, an experimental batch is made, the tank takes first place in all ratings, but it is not necessary to talk about serial, and even more so mass production, because the sum of this very mass production puts an end to the project itself.
      So we have two options today:
      make another T-14 with all the above Wishlist, but leave it on paper with a couple of other prototypes.
      Or create on the basis of serial tanks, and preferably tanks that are in storage (after modernization), but get a massive well-armored and well-repairable vehicle at existing repair bases using components from serial tanks.
      Yes, it will look somewhat worse than all the wishlists described above, but due to mass production, maintainability and the use of new electronic means of observation and communication, this drawback is greatly leveled.
      An example is our T-34 and T-34-85 against the German Panzerwaffe, where the Soviet industry outplayed the German purely technologically in the production of armored vehicles.
  16. -1
    21 May 2022 01: 47
    Still to equip the Terminator with Needles. To combat UAVs. It would turn out to be a super-universal tank support vehicle.
    1. +2
      21 May 2022 16: 36
      Now we need to try it, Uralvagonzavod has trump cards in its hands, but I watched a “not popular program” about the Terminator, how they came up with this idea, how and where they tested it. where to correct it. Personally, "as a worried strategist" I would like to see something newer.
  17. +1
    21 May 2022 17: 13
    Why not make a manipulator arm or even two arms with a small-caliber cannon and a heavy machine gun on the base of the tank?
    It is not necessary, let's say, to leave because of an obstacle (protection), but simply stretched out (raised) your hand and shoot.
    1. +1
      21 May 2022 17: 38
      About this
  18. 0
    21 May 2022 23: 26
    I think this car should be a good help in urban combat. With a thermal imager, the crew will easily identify live targets settled in urban areas.
  19. 0
    22 May 2022 19: 29
    and according to Zvezda, a year ago they said that they had screwed up and they were recalled for rework under 57 caliber! They didn’t see it, and it’s okay, although it is in the city that this option is better
  20. 0
    23 May 2022 14: 37
    Quote: satelit24
    under 57 caliber!

    The rear guards will be in shock, not only are the cartridges for 5.45 and 7.62 machine guns, but in addition to the ammunition load for the 30 mm gun, it will be necessary to provide ammunition for the 57 mm gun.
    As an example, NATO countries have long had a single caliber, cartridge 5,56x45 mm, for artillery 155 mm, etc., this simplifies logistics.
  21. 0
    6 June 2022 07: 37
    In short, the military is just trying to understand if there is a place for terminators on the battlefield and whether it is possible to fit them into military doctrine
  22. -1
    4 August 2022 10: 29
    I still see the installation on the BMPT of two Verba-type MANPADS, a NAR S-8 unit for 20-40 pieces and a good radar in the IR range like on the MiG-29, and all this with the SAUO. And all T-72s should be converted into BMPT-72Ms for storage. There will be a bomb!
  23. 0
    7 August 2022 12: 01
    In war as in war. Nothing much is known. Everything is in the fog of official reports and rumors. We do not hear the victorious reviews of military journalists, who probably have information about the practice of using these machines. And the car is really implemented encouragingly. However, in combat practice, "imperceptible" shortcomings can be revealed that are capable of partially or completely leveling all the advantages.

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