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Geopolitical mosaic: Turkish tanks approached the Syrian border, and the global economic crisis will last another ten years

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Half a century in prison? A few hours ago, Russian diplomats met with our compatriots in Houston (Texas, USA) who were detained in espionage business related to the supply of dual-purpose microelectronic chips in Russia. Of the eight defendants, four were Russians. Three of them have at the same time and American passports. The Russian Consulate General in Houston said that diplomats would protect the interests of their fellow citizens and try to secure bail, they say "Vesti".

The Russian Federal Security Service will collect information on all participants in the spy case. By the way, the charges against the participants in the case are criminal in nature and are not related to intelligence activities. However, the main person involved - Alexander Fischenko - was declared an agent of the Russian government, and therefore he faces more than 50 years in prison.

Read about the microelectronic scandal "Military Review".

This unknown friend Fischenko. As transmits correspondent ITAR-TASS Andrey BekrenevReferring to the Associated Press, Alexander Fischenko, the main suspect in the case of dual-use microelectronics from the US to Russia, probably led a secluded lifestyle.

He rarely spoke with his neighbors in Houston, and in the Russian-speaking community of the city they did not know anything about him.

Today should be a hearing on the release of those arrested on bail. However, prosecutors insist on their detention. Prosecutors believe that the Russians can not only get away from the country, but also destroy the evidence.

Guilty without guilt. Four Russian "spies" did not admit their guilt, said correspondent RIA "Novosti" Larisa Saenko lawyer Alexey Tarasov.

He said: “All four Russians do not admit their guilt. At the first hearing on Thursday, they were formally charged. ”

Among the eight arrested in America, four Russians: Alexander Fishchenko, Alexander Tosobilov, Victoria Klebanova, Anastasia Dyatlova.

Comrade Tarasov enters the process as a lawyer to Anastasia Dyatlova, but if the prosecutor’s office does not object, he is ready to expand the circle of defendants.

“I got acquainted with the accusation, which at first glance looks rather confusing, probably with the aim to sow (from those arrested) fear. I am not going to judge the evidence base of the prosecution, because I did not receive all the materials from the prosecutor’s office, ”said the lawyer.

He also said that the conditions of detention of Russians are acceptable, however, there were complaints about the lack of certain hygiene products and medicines. This problem will be solved by the efforts of the lawyer and the consulate of Russia in Houston.

Turkish Tanks at the Syrian border. Turkish tanks are now approaching the border with Syria. The received mandate to carry out military operations by Turkey is designed for a year and provides for the use of force only to protect the borders; "Vesti".

The Turkish government filed a request for permission for military operations after the events of 3 in October, when five Turkish citizens died from a Syrian strike.



“All we are trying to achieve is peace and security in our region,” said Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish Prime Minister. “And that’s what we care most about.” We have no intention to start a war, as we all saw the consequences of the confrontations in Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan. At the same time, Turkey is strong enough to protect its citizens and its borders. I do not recommend anyone to test our determination in this matter. ”

“Vesti” reminds that Syria’s apologies from Turkey did not reassure, and protests took place in Ankara.

"Lenta.ru" referring to Reuters, reports that yesterday the Turkish parliament approved a military operation outside the country, in the event that the government deems it necessary. For permission, deputies were approached by the cabinet in connection with the “aggressive actions” by the Syrian army (referring to the shelling from the territory of Syria of the Turkish city of Akchakale, as a result of which five Turks were killed: two women and three children).

The approval of the parliament allows the Turkish authorities to send their military to Syria during the year and conduct air strikes on Syrian territory (BBC News).

At the same time, Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Besir Atalay stated that the approval by the Parliament of military actions outside the country is not a “memorandum on declaring war” (“France-Presse” information).

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan stressed that Ankara intends to act in cooperation with international organizations.

Also yesterday, the UN Security Council made a statement that Ankara and Damascus should show restraint after the incident with the shelling of the Turkish city of Akchakale from Syrian territory, reports correspondent ITAR-TASS Oleg Zelenin.

The UN Security Council condemned the incident with the shelling of the Turkish city and blamed it on the Syrian army: “The members of the Security Council condemned in the strongest terms the shelling of the Turkish city of Akchakale by the Syrian armed forces, which led to the death of five civilians.”

The members of the Security Council demanded "to stop such violations of international law and prevent their recurrence," and also called on the Syrian government to "fully respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of their neighbors."

The Security Council drew attention to the fact that the incident "underlines the disastrous effect that the crisis in Syria has on the security of its neighbors, as well as on international peace and security." In this regard, the members of the UN Security Council called on the parties to show restraint.

Corr. ITAR-TASS recalls that as a result of an artillery shell falling into a residential building in the town of Akchakale in the лыanlıurfa province on October 3, 5 people died and another 13 was injured. Turkish artillery responded with strikes against targets in Syria. As a result of volley fire, which lasted several hours, two servicemen were wounded.

It took almost a day from the UN Security Council to make a statement on the incident at the border. Three texts were submitted, one of which was prepared by the delegation of the Russian Federation.

Today there will be a discussion of another statement concerning the terrorist attacks in Aleppo, committed two days ago. Syria insists on its adoption, and the draft document has been proposed by Russia.

Russia's permanent representative to the UN, Vitaly Churkin, reminded journalists that the Dzhebhat al-Nusra group (“Victory Front”) associated with Al-Qaida claimed responsibility for the bombings. “It is very important that the Security Council respond to this,” said Comrade Churkin. The attack, we recall, took the lives of forty people.

Victoria Nuland knows nothing, but undertakes to assert. A video was posted on the Internet the other day, which is supposedly captured by the American journalist Austin Theis, who disappeared in Syria, "Vesti".

Since August there has been no news of the missing journalist. In the video of a man, armed men lead by the arms. It is impossible to determine anything by frames: neither the location nor the person (half of the captive's face is hidden by a bandage).

Nevertheless, the US State Department stated that it was the journalist Austin Theis and that he was being held captive by the Syrian authorities.

State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland hurried to declare: “So far I can only say that it is likely that the video was filmed by representatives of the regime. But we really don't know anything. We cannot say with absolute certainty whether it really was him. But on the basis of the information that we have, it can be argued that he is being held captive by the authorities. ”

Mrs. Nuland, note, a good teacher - her boss Hillary Clinton. She, too, still has no idea who the opposition in Syria is composed of and what it is seeking, but it has always supported its support and voiced amounts of tens of millions of dollars, which the State Department is dumping with a generous hand to the militants, who are fighting for some reason side by side with the fighters. Al-Qaida and other notorious Islamists and thugs.

Efbeerovtsy visited Benghazi. According to correspondent ITAR-TASS Andrey SurzhanskyThe FBI officers who visited the site of the death of Ambassador Christopher Stevens in Benghazi (they were described in the "VO" in the last "The results of the week"), worked under the protection of the US military. This was stated to reporters by the official representative of the Pentagon George Little.

“At the request of the FBI, the Ministry of Defense provided security and logistics support to a group of investigators so that they could do the necessary work on site in Benghazi,” he said. According to Little, completing his mission, military personnel left Benghazi with the FBI.

Earlier, efbeerovtsy afraid to go to Benghazi. It was called something like this: to postpone the trip for security reasons. Arriving in Benghazi, the agents did not stay there even a day.

Sentenced to the highest measure. As transmits RIA News" With reference to the Associated Press, Tunisian authorities intend to seek the death penalty for 87 suspected of attempting to storm the US embassy during protests against the movie “Muslim Innocence”.

The lawyers for the suspects, Anuar Uled Ali and Monder Charney, reported that 87 people detained by the Tunisian authorities are awaiting trial on several charges, including an assault on state security officers. The prosecutor's office will seek the highest penalty for all defendants.

According to media reports, the windows in the American embassy were broken, and then the crowd set fire to the trees growing outside the embassy and hoisted the black flag instead of the American flag. Police used rubber bullets and tear gas. Four people were killed and 49 injured.

In addition, an American school in Tunisia was shelled. There was a fire in the school.

This economic crisis will break all records. The chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, Olivier Blanchard, said that the global economy will need at least another 10 years to get rid of the effects of the financial crisis that began in the 2008 year, reports Rosbalt with reference to "RBC".

According to Blanchard, Europe will remain the main source of instability. To combat the crisis in the eurozone, he proposes to reduce prices in debtor countries and, conversely, to increase them in economically strong countries - in particular, Germany will have to allow inflation to rise.

The IMF expert believes that the resolution of the crisis should not be to the detriment of economic growth, that is, the debt of states should be reduced at “moderate rates”. Blanchard explains: "If you do it slowly, the markets will not take the measures taken seriously, but reducing debt too quickly will be disastrous for the economy."

One hundred forty kilo explosives. Spanish police arrested an 21-year-old man in Palma de Mallorca, who was about to explode a bomb on a university campus. Reports about it "Lenta.ru" with reference to France-Presse and CNN.

The terrorist was detained on October 3. He found 140 kilograms of explosives. The detainee found a diary in whose pages he wrote about hatred of society and described plans for the construction of a massacre at the University of the Balearic Islands. The terrorist wanted to blast a bomb full of striking elements on campus.

It clarifies the "BBC News", the arrested Spaniard took the example of Americans Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. These guys killed an 1999 school in Columbine 12 and injured 23. The Spaniard endorsed their actions on the Internet. Probably, a terrorist attack in explosives would have taken place, did not inform the young man publicly about his sympathies. Thanks to the Internet, he came to the attention of the police. She watched him 5 months.

The components of the bomb, he also ordered via the Internet. Police detained him at the time of receipt of the order.

The case of Breivik, we note, lives, but does not win.

Like Georgian Georgian. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton congratulated by telephone the leader of the “Georgian Dream” Bidzina Ivanishvili on her victory in parliamentary elections, reports correspondent RIA Novosti Magi Kikaleishvili.

H. Clinton congratulated Ivanishvili and his team on the victory and thanked him for his desire to further deepen the relationship between Georgia and the United States. In a telephone conversation, she and he stressed "the importance of strategic partnership, as well as subsequent cooperation between countries." And Bidzina Ivanishvili additionally noted the important contribution of the USA to the “democratic development of Georgia”.

So, let us add, Saakashvili’s work on democratization of Georgia will continue. Ivanishvili's words are a direct continuation of what he said before the election.

Earlier Ivanishvili reminds correspondent. RIA "News", Said that he would make his first foreign visit after the victory of his coalition in the elections in the United States. He also said that the Americans played an important role before and during the elections in Georgia and made a lot of investments "in the development of democratic institutions in Georgia."

Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten! Vladimir Sinelnikov ("Vesti") told that the Kiev prosecutor's office is going to appeal the sentence to two girls who desecrated the grave of the Unknown Soldier in the Park of Glory.

The court released one of the people of Kiev, the other imposed a sentence - 3, conditionally, but the prosecutor found the verdict mild.

As you know, two girls posted on the Internet footage, where they fry eggs with sausages on Eternal Flame. This outrage Kiev called "political action".

Twenty-year-old Anna Sinkova was convicted for having 16 December 2010, on Eternal Flame, in front of the monument to the Unknown Soldier, she fried scrambled eggs with sausages. By the way, she was found guilty by the judge Rodion Kireev - the one who sentenced Yulia Tymoshenko to seven years in prison.

As an accomplice in the case of outrage, Anna Donets also passed, which the court released from criminal responsibility, taking into account her repentance and assistance to the investigation.

Anna Sinkova claims that scrambled eggs on the Eternal Flame is a political action. Also 20-year-old student said she did not repent of their deeds: after all, she protested against one of the symbols of the totalitarian Soviet regime. The entire Walk of Fame, where warriors who died in the battles for the liberation of Kiev are buried, and the monument itself at the tomb of the Unknown Soldier, are all symbols of the regime. So says Anna. The “political action” was filmed and posted on the Internet.

After such a public action, we add from ourselves, and indeed it is difficult to repent. Yes, and they will not believe it.

The representatives of the prosecutor's office considered the sentence of the Pechersk District Court to be too lenient. Anna Sinkova acted extremely cynically. Therefore, the prosecutor's office intends to appeal the verdict in the court of appeal.

As for the public reaction to the exit of two girls, they did not earn popularity. On the Internet, two Ann had almost no defenders. Moreover, there were willing to deal with them.

The young people, we will add from ourselves, who has no idea what they fought for and died of, and their great-grandfathers brought up in Western consumer “values” were tortured in the camps, looking for egg popularity. Fortunately, does not find. Our past, our история break, we will be left without a present and without a future, when there will be no one to protest against the twenty-year-olds.

Why money Kim Jong Unu? During talks with Russia on the construction of a gas pipeline to South Korea through North Korean territory, North Korea requested Moscow to bid for the transit of blue fuel two or even three times higher than the rates accepted in the world economy. He writes about it "Lenta.ru" With reference to the South Korean newspaper "Chosun Ilbo."

According to the newspaper, Pyongyang asked Moscow to pay 300-500 million dollars a year for gas transit. Lenta provides a comparison: based on the transit rate from Russia to Europe through Ukraine (2 dollars for pumping thousands of cubic meters of fuel per kilometer of pipeline), the expected charge for delivering gas from the Russian Far East to South Korea is about 150 million dollars per year.

At the end of 2011, the plenipotentiary plenipotentiary of the Russian president in the Far Eastern Federal District, Viktor Ishayev, estimated the potential revenues of the DPRK from gas transit to South Korea at about 100 million dollars. He noted that “for a country that produces only a gross product of 10 billion per year, this is a lot of money.”

Let us ask ourselves a question: why does Kim Jong-un of these hundreds of millions? But why?

As transmits "Lenta.ru" With reference to the South Korean edition of the Daily NK, imports of luxury goods in the DPRK have increased significantly - by as much as 70 percent. Growth occurred just after Kim Jong-un's announcement as Kim Jong-il's successor.

Since 2010, North Korea annually imports such goods for an amount approximately equal to 600 to millions of dollars. Last year, luxury imports amounted to 584 million dollars, and under Kim Jong-il in 2009, it was only 322 million dollars.

A significant increase was observed in the market of expensive cars, watches, computers, wines and spirits. The fact is that management in North Korea is carried out at the expense of gifts and parties: Comrade Kim needs to strengthen his weak political positions.

This money would be enough to purchase a million tons of wheat on the international 2 market.

The Chinese have fallen out of love with Japanese cars. Chinese "patriots" periodically destroy cars of the brands "Toyota", "Nissan" and "Mazda", and it does not matter that they left the assembly lines in China. For example, not one day in Xi'an, one of the protesters was arrested, who several times struck a driver with a piece of steel pipe that tried to protect his car from pogromists. This was told "Vesti" with reference to ITAR-TASS.

Owners of Japanese cars in China have come up with original ways to save their cars from hooligans. In Beijing, you can now see cars with the words: “My car is Japanese, but my heart is Chinese,” “I bought my car before the Japanese government nationalized Diaoyu Islands. Now I no longer buy Japanese goods. ” Other drivers stick anti-Japanese slogans on the rear window of the car.

The Chinese economic crisis in the Japanese automotive industry. As reported from Tokyo correspondent ITAR-TASS Kirill Agafonov, referring to the Japanese newspaper "Yomiuri", sales of the concern "Toyota" in China fell by half in September compared with August. The reason was the aggravation of the island conflict between Tokyo and Beijing.

Experts suggest that the sales of Toyota in China may continue to decline, which will cause a huge blow to the automaker. The PRC accounts for a significant part of the company's sales: only in August about 75 thousand cars were sold here.

“Hands off our salary!” Thousands of Argentine policemen took to the streets with protests after they reduced their salaries by as much as 60 percent. According to "Lenta.ru" With reference to France-Presse, the demonstrations began on Wednesday.

Ordinary police and coast guard officers march tirelessly through the streets of Buenos Aires, Comodoro Rivadavia, Cordoba and Rosario. Demonstrators chant: "Hands off our salary!"

The government of the country for the third day is negotiating with protesters. Prime Minister Juan Manuel Abal Medina has already said that it turns out that pay cuts were an administrative mistake. Premier promised to fix it. According to the Associated Press, salary reductions should have only affected the police leadership, not the rank and file.

Trying to pacify the protesting police, yesterday the authorities dismissed twenty police chiefs. But the strike did not stop. The demonstrators will stop only after they are given written guarantees of the return of salary to the previous level.

Well, let's add from ourselves, everyone can retroactively declare an “administrative error” - when it comes to him that there is a smell from somewhere roasted.

"The crushing blow of the bourgeoisie." Yesterday, a three-month election campaign ended in Venezuela, preceding the next presidential election scheduled for October 7. President Hugo Chavez addressed a rally of thousands of people in the capital, calling on his supporters to deliver a “crushing blow to the bourgeoisie” at the elections. This tells correspondent ITAR-TASS Sergey Sereda.

The main election campaign will be between Hugo Chavez and Enrique Capriles. Chavez is a candidate from the ruling United Socialist Party of Venezuela, however, the 10 parties also called him their candidate, including the communists and the revolutionary movement Tupamaros. Capriles nominated 22 by political parties united in the Bloc of Democratic Unity.

Chavez symbolizes socialism, Capriles - capitalism. If the "frantic" Hugo states that socialist reforms will soon end poverty in the country, then Mr. Capriles sees a way out in the private capitalist way of managing.

US secret agents will be able to love prostitutes, but only in a sober way. As transmits RIA News", referring to the Washington Post, the leadership of the US Secret Service officially banned its employees from using alcohol while on duty. The ban is associated with a scandal with those agents who used the services of prostitutes, while in Colombia and preparing a visit to the American president.

New instructions reinforce the existing unwritten rules of conduct for special agents. Since then, the poor fellows are officially forbidden to drink alcohol, not only during work, but also 10 hours before arrival at the service. As for business trips, in their time agents are forbidden to drink alcohol in hotels and other places where the US President or other high-ranking officials stop.

“Alcohol is allowed to be consumed only in moderate amounts during off-duty hours,” said the new instructions.

At the same time, agents were forbidden to disclose secret information and use social networks on the Internet.

Representatives of the special services refused to comment on these two points of instructions.

They refused, and we will comment.

From now on, the gallant American guys, who carry a heavy and secret service burden, will not be able to share secrets with the Colombian prostitutes about the time of Obama's arrival in this or that city. Agents now cannot even drink beer and get drunk, and in order to indulge in the comfort of Bacchus from his wide American soul in his spare time, the warriors will have to stay away from the hotel where the president is staying. Obama himself now can not treat the brave guys honey element personal cooking. By the way, the Obama’s ever-drunk and ever-dancing team makes one think about what kind of example Mr. President gives to his boyfriends, beer baggage carried around him ...

Observed Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Slayer
    Slayer 5 October 2012 11: 23
    +22
    This is how the NATO members decided to deal with the issue on Syria, the rats crawled from the territory of Syria in Turkey, and now there is a reason now ...
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 5 October 2012 11: 27
      +12
      Quote: Slayer
      That's how the NATO decided to deal with the issue of Syria


      I don’t think so. In May of this year, Nikolai Bordyuzha said that the participation of the collective rapid reaction forces in solving the Syrian conflict is theoretically possible.

      For a possible dispatch to Syria, they are preparing units of the Pskov 76th Airborne Assault Division (DSD) of the Airborne Forces, the 15th combined-arms brigade in Samara, special units manned by Chechens who previously served in the special battalions of the West and East GRU, as well as Special Forces units from a separate brigade of the Marine Corps of the Black Sea Fleet.

      Well, something like that, theoretically, for the theoretical intervention of NATO
      1. Tirpitz
        Tirpitz 5 October 2012 11: 52
        +3
        Quote: Vadivak
        that the participation of the collective rapid reaction forces in resolving the Syrian conflict is theoretically possible.

        If it were adopted in parliament, then this could cool some hotheads. And so you can say anything.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 5 October 2012 12: 29
          +6
          Quote: Tirpitz
          If it were passed in parliament, this could cool some hotheads.


          So the Turkish parliament can say anything - without a cabinet decision, its statement is empty, and Prime Minister Erdogan, before this decision, said that Ankara does not want to get involved in the war, so populism is clear, the question is, who really shot?
          1. Beck
            Beck 5 October 2012 12: 54
            +2
            Quote: Vadivak
            So the Turkish parliament can say anything - without the decision of the cabinet of his statement, an empty phrase,


            You turned upside down. According to the Turkish constitution, the prime minister does not have the right to declare war or conduct cross-border military operations, with the exception of a sudden, massive invasion of the enemy on the territory of Turkey itself.

            War and cross-border operations can only be declared and authorized by the Turkish parliament.

            Last year, the Turkish prime minister ordered cross-border military operations in northern Iraq only after parliamentary sanction. If the prime minister did this only by his order, it would be unconstitutional.
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 5 October 2012 16: 42
              +1
              ?
              Quote: Beck
              War and cross-border operations can only be declared and authorized by the Turkish parliament.

              News what interesting

              The executive power of Turkey belongs to the government led by the prime minister, what kind of war can the legislature declare?
              1. Beck
                Beck 5 October 2012 17: 49
                +2
                Quote: Vadivak
                The executive power of Turkey belongs to the government led by the prime minister, what kind of war can the legislature declare?


                And who says that the executive branch does not belong to the prime minister. But the prime minister cannot give an order to start military operations on foreign territory, in border zones. First, he must get the approval of parliament.

                And the prime minister cannot declare war on another state. This is the prerogative, by constitution, of the Turkish parliament.

                No matter how strange it is, this is the constitution of Turkey.
      2. borisst64
        borisst64 5 October 2012 13: 22
        +2
        Nikolai Bordyuzha is certainly a respected person, but in NATO his opinion is secondary. And the Airborne Forces do not have weapons for full air defense, and this is very important, with the support from the air and the rebels will be a serious force.
      3. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 5 October 2012 16: 25
        +2
        I don’t know about the Airborne Forces, I haven’t seen it. But the fact that the marine corps brigade in Sevastopol is being prepared intensively, intensively and very seriously at least since spring is a fact. The truth is what they are preparing for, it’s not accepted to speak.
        1. Sandov
          Sandov 6 October 2012 21: 46
          0
          Bashkaus,
          And do not say, if we are not suckers, we will be able to help the people of Syria in their struggle for freedom from rats.
      4. YARY
        YARY 5 October 2012 20: 44
        0
        Open? Intervene? NATA? Well, not in their style, here is another song. Everything around and around and not at all by its handles. The model was tested in Iraq using the example of PMCs. And believe the instructor from the mercenaries that now they are being thrown from the territory of TURKEY from PMCs - you’re unresponsive!
    2. Tirpitz
      Tirpitz 5 October 2012 11: 36
      +9
      So you need to adopt their methods. The entire international policy of the Russian Federation is attempts to take actions and measures on already completed events with the participation of the United States. Our advances so far cannot work. Where are the statements that any attempt to intervene in Syria will be accompanied by assistance from the Russian Federation to the Syrian authorities? Or something similar.
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 5 October 2012 13: 22
        +1
        Quote: Tirpitz
        Our advances so far cannot work.

        So, after all, our deputies have more pressing problems in the form of sharing mandates and banning cartoons for children.
    3. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 5 October 2012 12: 12
      +5
      It is doubtful that the Turks will risk starting a war in one snout. In any case, it is necessary to upset the new Ottomans. By and large, in a possible direct conflict between Turkey and Syria, the Turks do not shine without the help of NATA and the United States, the Turkish air force Syrians will work out their own air defense, and in an open clash the Syrian divisions saturated with boentank equipment can well butt out with Turkish brigades. So here the grandmother said for two, yes, the union agreement between Iran and Syria should not be discounted, Istanbul will not take out the war with Tehran and Damascus.
      1. DYMITRY
        DYMITRY 5 October 2012 12: 40
        +7
        It seems to me alone that the shelling of Turkey, and on the same day a spy scandal, are interconnected events?
        1. Kshatriy
          Kshatriy 5 October 2012 13: 33
          +2
          Quote: DYMITRY
          It seems to me alone that the shelling of Turkey, and on the same day a spy scandal, are interconnected events?

          Of course, it’s not for you alone .... all these are links of the same chain .. (and Turkey’s appeal to accomplices in the NTA is just a touchstone for intimidating Russia, and then V.V.P disconnect P.V.O Syria ?????
      2. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 5 October 2012 16: 27
        +1
        You still do not forget allied relations with Iran. Not the fact that he will watch in silence, but this is the 2nd front, well, or at least the supply of fighters and weapons to Syria
    4. pinachet
      pinachet 5 October 2012 13: 50
      +6
      Remember, very often the prologue of some sort of big war was precisely a suspicious shelling.!
    5. not good
      not good 5 October 2012 18: 17
      0
      No matter how Sarajevo turns out in Turkish
  2. volcano
    volcano 5 October 2012 11: 31
    +13
    Hmmm .... and how far will Turkey go in its "airstrikes" and on whom?
    Here’s your grandmother and St. George’s day ..... Now they will start to wet from the air and artillery ... and hide behind the fact that they shoot in response ... protecting the holy Turkish land ....

    West at a chitropopia dog ate ....
    And what will we answer with China ??? apparently nothing ...... The fighting will begin, and we will be at the UN to tap on the platform with a slipper, and at this time, the Turks will hammer the government troops .....
    Let's hope for Syrian air defense, but the situation is clearly approaching its logical conclusion .......

    I strongly doubt that the Army fired on Turkey (although of course this cannot be ruled out ... anything can happen), but who is asking my opinion.
    1. Slayer
      Slayer 5 October 2012 11: 33
      0
      Quote: volkan
      Let's hope for Syrian air defense, but the situation is clearly approaching its logical conclusion .......

      I don’t think that Syria’s air defense will stand against Turkey for a long time. If you don’t urgently help Syria, then the Turks will kill it.
      1. Tirpitz
        Tirpitz 5 October 2012 11: 40
        +2
        Quote: Slayer
        Let's hope for Syrian air defense, but the situation is clearly coming to its logical conclusion ..

        Behind Turkey is the entire military-industrial complex of NATO. And all losses will be replenished with lightning speed. If you do not present an ultimatum to Turkey, then the lid.
        1. Slayer
          Slayer 5 October 2012 11: 43
          +1
          Quote: Tirpitz
          If you do not present an ultimatum to Turkey, then the lid.

          We don’t have more power to arrange a second Vietnam for NATO, so I think they wanted to sneeze at us))
          1. Tirpitz
            Tirpitz 5 October 2012 11: 55
            +1
            Quote: Slayer
            We don’t have more power to arrange a second Vietnam for NATO, so I think they wanted to sneeze at us))

            And they do not need to arrange Vietnam. As soon as the first trains with coffins go to Western Europe, for them the war will end. I think even a few shot down will be enough
          2. Kshatriy
            Kshatriy 5 October 2012 13: 42
            0
            Quote: Slayer
            We don’t have more power to arrange a second Vietnam for NATO, so I think they wanted to sneeze at us))

            How to say ... until Vova Putin disconnects P.V.O. of Syria (where it is crammed with ... normal. The number of S.S-300) ... the losses of n.a.t.o. in flying objects will not be acceptable .. ..well, let's see .... what is our president ... at this stage of time ....
          3. Ascetic
            Ascetic 6 October 2012 00: 10
            +3
            Quote: Slayer
            We don’t have more power to arrange a second Vietnam for NATO, so I think they wanted to sneeze at us))


            A bit of history
            ". When Stalin was informed about the results of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, about the destruction and casualties there, he put the phone down on the table and looked at the silent members of the Presidium:
            “The trip to Istanbul is canceled ... Until better times. And let the Turks forever thank the Japanese who sacrificed themselves for them. All! Kurchatova to me! ..



        2. BARKAS
          BARKAS 5 October 2012 11: 44
          0
          Iran doesn’t seem to intend to interfere with the current, which probably really in Syria will soon cover the government forces.
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 5 October 2012 11: 45
        +4
        The most modern machine in the Turks is the F-16 Block 50, (about 30 pieces), the device is good, but the question of pilot training? Phantom, the Syrians at the time failed, showed the Turks that not all cats Shrovetide
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 5 October 2012 11: 47
      +4
      Quote: volkan
      The West ate a dog by chitropopia ..


      Turks have always been to Russia like a dog that France, that Britain
      1. volcano
        volcano 5 October 2012 12: 52
        +1
        Quote: Vadivak
        Turks have always been to Russia like a dog that France, that Britain


        Well, not always ..... we have had our own squabbles since the time of King Peas, but the fact that Britain and France subsequently gladly set Turkey on us, and did not allow us to roll mother into the ground ...... it is a fact hi
      2. Beck
        Beck 5 October 2012 18: 04
        0
        Quote: Vadivak
        Turks have always been to Russia like a dog that France, that Britain


        Not always at all. Napirimer the cause of several wars was the accession by Catherine 2 in 1783 of Crimea and Taman to the Russian Empire.
        1. MI-AS-72
          MI-AS-72 6 October 2012 19: 18
          0
          It’s completely bad, I would go to the Wikipedia level to consider who started the war, the role of Turkey in this war. So that Turkey in the wars with the Russian Empire, has always been the initiator to one degree or another, this is a historical fact.
          1. Beck
            Beck 6 October 2012 19: 51
            0
            Miasu.

            What? Again through mother? No sleep, no peace. Tokmo in the upper room is that you perch up a little, you think, in teperich yaki one finger alone, but right there, like a devil from an incense, ent MIAS. And painfully biting, vigorous louse. And it’s not to knock it off, it’s a sin of ento to rob a big belly, we are all God's creatures after all. And it seems to be scratching his tongue, Duc rushing in the spirit of Ruks, but the name is Basurman ... The interpreter would have to cope. Much hidden what kind of turnover is here.
  3. NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR 5 October 2012 12: 03
    +5
    Probably not enough strength among the rebels to democratize Syria.
    How zadolbali these NATO unipolar dermocrats !!!
  4. SHILO
    SHILO 5 October 2012 12: 05
    +7
    Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten!

    3 of the year conditionally - will not be enough! negative
    1. Follow us
      Follow us 5 October 2012 12: 22
      +3
      And why did these idiots not go to Western Ukraine and arrange a similar action at the monument to Bandera?
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 5 October 2012 13: 25
        +1
        Quote: Siga
        And why did these idiots not go to Western Ukraine and arrange a similar action at the monument to Bandera?

        So now these gangsters have heroes, coupled with the SS men
      2. vezunchik
        vezunchik 5 October 2012 23: 03
        -1
        yes they would be killed right there. Not in vain in 41 g of western Ukraine met the Nazis with bread and salt ...
    2. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 5 October 2012 13: 13
      +5
      There will be thirty pieces of unconditional rods just right! am
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 5 October 2012 15: 50
        +2
        YOU WHAT? REWARD THEM NECESSARY!
    3. Varnaga
      Varnaga 5 October 2012 13: 40
      -1
      tie with the flood until without warning.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 5 October 2012 14: 08
        +1
        Quote: Varnaga
        tie with a flood, until without warning


        Duc there on the topic like everything. nowhere to give warnings?
    4. OSTAP BENDER
      OSTAP BENDER 5 October 2012 14: 11
      0
      SHILO! Fry these sou..chek themselves, and call it a political action! We survived, there are no words !!!!
    5. Sandov
      Sandov 5 October 2012 19: 11
      +1
      SHILO,
      The rosette to these prostitutes, then to the heap and feathers roll out.
  5. Aeneas
    Aeneas 5 October 2012 12: 30
    +2
    - FBI member of Russian shipions: "Wee stole the most important radioelectronic secret of the damned bourgeoisie? Say tawai !!!"
    - Russian scouts: "This is such a file for several gigs of memory and a TOP SECRET stamp on each page, plus a container with such tiny microcircuits, and blocks bitten by nippers by warrant-warrant sergeants at Andrews Air Force Base from airplanes F-22, F-18, F -16, B1B? .... Nooo, not us feel !"
  6. Drappier
    Drappier 5 October 2012 12: 48
    +3
    this is the topic of Korea, with such manners in a fat coy which will crack. But how Syria will end with the Turks ... In my opinion, here it is, it began as they say.
  7. wall
    wall 5 October 2012 12: 49
    +2
    "At the same time, Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Besir Atalay said that parliamentary approval of military operations outside the country is not a" memorandum on the declaration of war "
    We’ll shoot a little at you here, but this is not a war, you don’t think!
  8. vladimir64ss
    vladimir64ss 5 October 2012 12: 50
    +5
    declared an agent of the Russian government, and therefore he faces more than 50 years in prison. "" "It is not proper to praise modern America, but here you need to take an example. Swamps would disappear as a species." "" "Germany will have to allow inflation to rise. Germans, of course , recently signed up for altruists, but not for fools. For this they lack humor. Thanks for the review.
    1. vezunchik
      vezunchik 5 October 2012 23: 04
      0
      but try Chubais or Kudrin give 25 years. What is the place to start !!!!
  9. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 5 October 2012 13: 10
    0
    North Korea, during negotiations with Russia on the construction of a gas pipeline to South Korea through North Korean territory, asked Moscow for a rate for the transit of blue fuel two, or even three times higher than the tariffs adopted in the global economy

    But doesn’t crack at Eun? And so round to disgrace.
    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas 5 October 2012 14: 38
      -1
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      But doesn’t crack at Eun? And so round to disgrace.

      You do not really understand what concessions and losses the sowing Korean side is agreeing to laying the pipe. If Pyongyang receives 150-200 lyamas of damned Amer’s papers for transit, this will mean a retreat from the holy ideals of self-reliance on Juche. Compensation for deviation from the ideologue of Kim Il Sung, and therefore moral pain, torment, guilt, and the addition of the sinful benefits of civilization in the form of a pipe, power lines and railways, should be at least half a billion lyam! request
      1. not good
        not good 5 October 2012 18: 37
        0
        And suddenly dissidents from the country will rush through the pipe, and the spies will climb back, without compensation in any way.
    2. not good
      not good 5 October 2012 18: 35
      -1
      This is not Harya, this is the face of a national idea laughing
  10. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 5 October 2012 13: 30
    +1
    In America, it is now common practice to regularly identify Russian "spies", "arms dealers", etc. As soon as one scandal associated with the Russians subsides, another is initiated. After all, they need to constantly maintain the image of Russians as bandits, spies, etc.
  11. smprofi
    smprofi 5 October 2012 13: 58
    +7
    Turks deploy troops on the border with Syria, and in front of them deploy a revolution

    1. Kshatriy
      Kshatriy 5 October 2012 14: 46
      +2
      Quote: smprofi
      Turks deploy troops on the border with Syria, and in front of them deploy a revolution

      What kind of tattoo does Gevolucianeg integer --- obviously not of Arab origin !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  12. Kshatriy
    Kshatriy 5 October 2012 14: 01
    +7
    Members of the Security Council demanded "stop such violations of international law and prevent their recurrence," and also called on the Syrian government to "fully respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of its neighbors" ................ .............

    How interesting: "In my garden near the wattle fence, a bandyugan dug in and shot my neighbor on his territory" ... I have to sit down for such miracles on Lifetime ... but it's funny, isn't it ???? ..... Now the terrorists will start to kill Turkey from Syria, and the Syrians will be to blame ???? (The United States will put up mortars for such fun, put mortars on such merriment ... This is that from the category of new democratic pacification of Everyone and Everything ??? ?
  13. Manager
    Manager 5 October 2012 14: 46
    +1
    Turks for hell do not need a military conflict. They are holiday makers and live this. Even the fact that they drove tanks does not mean that they are eager for battle. They are not particularly interested in the games played by the US State Department.
    Another thing is if the fire on the Turks is conducted with enviable regularity, this will change everything. But I do not think that the fire will be conducted regularly.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 5 October 2012 14: 56
      0
      Quote: Manager

      Turks for hell do not need a military conflict.

      I agree, but in the world there are forces hungry for this war, as well as those who stand for a peaceful solution to the problem. The solution is in the confrontation of these forces. Who will take it? Turkey will be a bargaining chip and they understand this, but they can’t do anything when the question arises either war or the collapse of the country. Riots can also organize among them, there are enough reasons.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 5 October 2012 17: 35
        0
        The Turks also did not want to get into World War I, they did not buy the battle cruiser "Goeben" and the light cruiser "Breslau" from the Germans. They can also substitute Turkey, it is not enough that the Turks had fought with Russia earlier, incited by cunning Britain. History has a habit of repeating itself. Overseas clever men and intriguers from foggy Albion would like to say - "No pasaran!", And what will happen in reality, only God knows.
        1. not good
          not good 5 October 2012 18: 44
          0
          This provocation will not affect many peaceful farmers, and if military units are deployed on the border with Syria, the gopher’s shot on the gopher can be fatal. Whether or not the Turks want to fight when the war starts, few people will worry, after all, a NATO member.
        2. Aeneas
          Aeneas 5 October 2012 21: 30
          +3
          The Turks are stubborn soldiers under competent command. they showed this in the last Russian-Turkish battle, stubbornly fighting near Plevna, and in World War I defeating the British in the Gallipoli battle. And after the end of WWI and the fall of the Ottoman Empire, the Turks, led by Kemal and the feasible help of the Bolsheviks, got rid of the occupying forces of the Entente, defeating the Greeks and Armenians.
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 5 October 2012 23: 24
            0
            Aeneas,
            No wonder Kemal Atatürk became a national hero. Yes, the Turks forget the precepts of their hero. With Soviet Russia, good relations were then.
  14. Kshatriy
    Kshatriy 5 October 2012 15: 26
    0
    Gordian knot, tied up in the Middle East, and the Yankees do not know how and do not want to play about !!!!!!
  15. dirty trick
    dirty trick 5 October 2012 15: 36
    0
    And Bidzina Ivanishvili additionally noted the important US contribution to the "democratic development of Georgia."
    No one doubted that he henchman USA
    1. Manager
      Manager 5 October 2012 16: 45
      0
      Quote: dirty trick

      And Bidzina Ivanishvili additionally noted the important contribution of the United States



      One word
    2. wolverine7778
      wolverine7778 5 October 2012 16: 59
      0
      And Bidzina Ivanishvili additionally noted the important US contribution to the "democratic development of Georgia."
      No one doubted that he was a protege of the USA

      This is not true. Firstly, Russia almost returned the pro-Russian leaders on Ukarin, in Poland, now in Georgia, and secondly, Ivanishvili earned almost his enormous fortune in Russia, where he owned a number of major bucks, retail chains and banks. Russian assets, on the one hand, on the one hand, demonstrating independence from the Kremlin, at the same time received working capital for the election campaign, in the third promised to return normalization of relations with Russia stop
      1. Allegedly
        Allegedly 5 October 2012 17: 55
        +5
        wolverine7778,

        This is so, and what a henchman, all that matters is how he was vying with each other to congratulate any Amer officials. And what compliments and epithets they draw to him ... Excuse me, but how far should even the very thought of his even partial independence from the states be. I allow myself to predict the future a little laughing Georgia. Georgy come to Moscow fellow and they’ll try to separate the Russians as suckers, they say brothers, we threw off the dictator, now we are good, let's buy everything from us, and also give money, give a lot of money. And the secret of the open door is that amers cannot contain all their sixes. And they want to shift part of the costs to (what they think is stupid) Russian Vanya. Even Gazprom in Europe took the gills for the same purpose, to maintain, or subsidize Eastern Europe at the expense of Russian Vani. Build a new world order on the ruins of Russia, and at the expense of Russia. Behind all these, and many other supposedly accidental events, ears of landon and Washingtonton stick out ...

        PS is it in * Ukarin * (although it is more correct to write to Ukraine) pro-Russian leaders? Or in Poland? Excuse me, did you smoke?
        1. Kshatriy
          Kshatriy 5 October 2012 18: 44
          +1
          Quote: JACOB
          PS is it in * Ukarin * (although it is more correct to write to Ukraine) pro-Russian leaders? Or in Poland? Excuse me, did you smoke?

          Sorry I can’t put 10+ ......, but they smoked one ganjubas .......
        2. Beck
          Beck 5 October 2012 19: 01
          0
          Quote: JACOB
          This is so, and what a henchman (Ivanoshvili the henchman of the USA), which only costs one how he vying with one another congratulates any Amer’s officials


          "He said he spat against the wind."

          In your opinion, Putin is also a protege of filthy amers. Obama also sent him congratulations on his election to the post of president of Russia. And the leaders of NATO Europe sent their congratulations. This is international etiquette.

          Or it was necessary to send all their congratulations back, together with a single fen. And leave only congratulations to the DPRK, Samoa and Swaziland.

          Yes. Give you, JACOB, a country of coal, even small, but to fig.
          1. Allegedly
            Allegedly 5 October 2012 22: 52
            0
            Putin? Yes, congratulations, but did they have a choice? And the articles in the press about him were no more than 1-2% positive (even positive-neutral), now I’m looking at the whole palette of Western media about Ivan’s son (you’re kidding Ivanishvili) ... All praise and compliments ... All 100% of the articles. ..
  16. Andrei.B
    Andrei.B 5 October 2012 15: 51
    0
    Earlier Ivanishvili, reminds corr. RIA Novosti stated that it would make its first foreign visit after the victory of its coalition in the USA. He also said that the Americans played an important role before and during the elections in Georgia and made a lot of investments "in the development of democratic institutions in Georgia."
    on this occasion, a long time ago, Agnia Barto wrote: the mistress threw the bear ....
    1. Allegedly
      Allegedly 5 October 2012 17: 57
      0
      All countries controlled by amers, or rather their leaders, after coming to power go to the bridegroom in the USA
  17. dirty trick
    dirty trick 5 October 2012 16: 08
    0
    The Turkish government filed a request for permission for military operations after the events of 3 in October, when five Turkish citizens died from a Syrian strike.
  18. Su24
    Su24 5 October 2012 16: 42
    +1
    Well done Koreans.
    1. orfo
      orfo 5 October 2012 17: 14
      +2
      in what, to rake money from the Russian Federation?

      Not only have they written off a substantial part of the debt, so they also want to earn.
      1. Kshatriy
        Kshatriy 5 October 2012 17: 28
        +3
        Quote: orfo
        , so they also want to earn.

        And rightly they want .... To conclude a barter deal and introduce KNDR special forces into Syria ..... woo ............ Mlyn silence will come ... Middle East !!!!!!!!!! It seems both Qatar and Saud. arabia will burrow to the waist in the sand, but as the Koreans love the Yankers .... well, there are no words ... by the very poomidors they will insert .... (we must also learn to fight with the wrong hands ....)
        1. orfo
          orfo 6 October 2012 05: 00
          0
          Well, given the number of their special forces, and even to Syria, it’s better immediately to Saudi Arabia and Qatar ....

          In general, I think that it is necessary to destroy the state off. whose religion is Wahhabism (approx. Saudi Arabia)
  19. Allegedly
    Allegedly 5 October 2012 17: 38
    +2
    The Erdogan-Gul-Davutoglu group does not have enough spirit to bring an army into Syria, they are businessmen and not warriors ...
    1. Kshatriy
      Kshatriy 5 October 2012 18: 20
      +1
      Quote: JACOB
      The Erdogan-Gul-Davutoglu group does not have enough spirit to bring an army into Syria, they are businessmen and not warriors ...

      Yes .... the owners from the regional committee will order ... and businessmen will pick up engineer blades, automatic rifles ... and so on ..., so on, so on ... And how nice they’ll go to fight .. Turkey, however, will join NATO consists ... and there is a charter and stuff .....
      1. Allegedly
        Allegedly 5 October 2012 20: 50
        +1
        Most likely, there’s a stupid bidding now that Turkey will be for this, they’ll already draw chalk on the skin of an unkilled bear. They beg for their preferences and future prospects (here you can enter future contracts for billions of dollars, guarantees, subsidies, technologies, I won’t be surprised if the amers even promised Crimea to them). And today's leadership of Ukraine can give ... Well, if seriously, the Turks look at the successes of Syria, and shake its success on their own whiskers. If there will be no month of war, then the Turks did not agree ...
    2. Aeneas
      Aeneas 5 October 2012 21: 22
      +1
      Erdogan greatly raised Turkey, and the Turkish army is the strongest in the region. Erdogan preaches Islam in a mild form, and can sympathize with the Islamists of Syria from a sense of solidarity against the Baathist Assad socialist. But the campaign Erdogan begins to understand that this is not his game, and he does not play, but they use him.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 5 October 2012 23: 23
      +2
      Quote: JACOB
      The Erdogan-Gul-Davutoglu group does not have enough spirit to bring an army into Syria, they are businessmen and not warriors ...


      there will be no declaration of war.
      "Turkey is not interested in an armed conflict with Syria, but it is able to defend its borders and will respond blow for blow when necessary"
      - Advisor to the Prime Minister Ibrahim Kalyn
      Erdogan himself said before the parliamentary session that Turkey is not going to "declare war" on Syria.
      The NATO Council convened on the Turkish initiative on Thursday night considered that the conflict between Damascus and Ankara poses a threat to the security of all countries of the alliance and constitutes "an example of a flagrant violation of international law." However, NATO agreed that they would not take military countermeasures "until all the possibilities for defusing the situation are exhausted."
      The conflict between Ankara and Damascus will be considered at a meeting of NATO defense ministers on October 9-10. So we’ll wait, it’s not Libya, in Syria you can break your teeth.
      Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2036893
      1. Allegedly
        Allegedly 6 October 2012 03: 18
        0
        Did someone talk about declaring war? It cannot be said that war is already a foregone conclusion. If the West and the monarchies refuse Erdogan's demands, he may refuse aggression - it loses meaning for Turkey. The only army that could make a regime change in Syria is the Egyptian army, but Mr. Mursi is a very wise man, and even he is unable to calculate all the risks. The final idea of ​​the discussion is this - now Turkey has an instrument of bargaining with colleagues on aggression - and it will try to squeeze the maximum out of its consent to launch force mechanisms to destroy Syria ...
      2. Karabekir
        Karabekir 6 October 2012 16: 25
        +1
        Quote: Ascetic
        Advisor to the Prime Minister Ibrahim Kalyn


        http://www.haberturk.com/gundem/haber/782756-istesek-suriyeyi-birkac-saat-icinde
        -yerle-bir-ederiz
  20. Gromila555
    Gromila555 5 October 2012 18: 28
    +9
    twenty-year-old Anna Sinkova was convicted because on December 16, 2010, at the Eternal Flame in front of the Unknown Soldier Monument, she fried scrambled eggs with sausages.
    An adult fool to the front, in the mud, blood, by a nurse, so that every day she saw WHAT our grandfathers died and won. It is treated only if it is treated at all ....
    1. stariy
      stariy 5 October 2012 21: 07
      0
      Quote: Gromila555
      if at all treated ...

      Unfortunately, they also get infected. Such people need to be housed in plague barracks, and in eternal quarantine as if they were corrupt.
    2. Allegedly
      Allegedly 5 October 2012 21: 38
      0
      Monuments are good, military-patriotic education and all that, but where would it be more important for all veterans to provide cheap and convenient (decent) housing, trips to a sanatorium, why military commissariats or dog houses cannot conduct heat or gas for them? And without it (forgive me for being rude) these monuments are all hypocrisy, not memory ...
  21. Bekzat
    Bekzat 6 October 2012 00: 35
    0
    Greetings to all.
    “All we seek is peace and security in our region,” said Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkish Prime Minister. “What did you say, and sending militants and terrorists through Syria through their territory is peace and security in the region?”
    "The Turkish parliament approved the conduct of a military operation outside the country - if the government deems it necessary. The Cabinet of Ministers asked the deputies for permission in connection with the" aggressive actions "by the Syrian army (meaning the shelling of the Turkish city of Akchakale from Syria , as a result of which five Turks were killed: two women and three children) ". - I am plagued by vague doubts, who made this shelling? More precisely, who benefits from this shelling?
    "Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan stressed that Ankara intends to act in cooperation with international organizations." - Yes, I can't help but who they are going to cooperate with, who can help them except NATO.
    "The UN Security Council condemned the shelling incident in the Turkish city and blamed the Syrian army for it:" The members of the Security Council condemned in the strongest possible terms the Syrian armed forces' shelling of the Turkish city of Akçakale, which resulted in the death of five civilians. - I wonder who was responsible for the bombardment of Fallujah with phosphorus bombs by the UN Security Council?
  22. Allegedly
    Allegedly 6 October 2012 02: 17
    +1
    I’m just in shock to what insanity has come with shelling from mortars of Turkish territory. Five kilometers from the Syrian-Turkish border, on Turkish territory, some targets were hit, someone died, it is clear that the tragedy and I would like to know if someone shot at all with a mortar? The average army mortar has the following main characteristics: The range of the mortar is from 50 to 800 m ... Army self-propelled mortars, such as the 240 mm 2C4 Tulip self-propelled mortar, occupy places like three self-propelled guns. The mortar is designed to destroy solid field-type structures, buildings adapted by the enemy to shelter manpower and equipment, command posts, artillery and rocket batteries and other military equipment inaccessible to wall fire. The 2C4 self-propelled mortar is the only one in the world (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) a mortar of this caliber and has no analogues. He shoots active-reactive HE mines. The mortar has a high maneuverability and effectiveness of mines at the target, the ability to overcome the infected areas, high maneuverability. For firing from a mortar, special preparation of the position before firing is not required. He is moved, guided and transported (let's say assist) by a support battalion. Where did he get from miserable Syria? fool ...
  23. Allegedly
    Allegedly 6 October 2012 03: 11
    0
    and here’s a photo of the hero of the occasion (unless of course it is he) ... No.
  24. MI-AS-72
    MI-AS-72 6 October 2012 19: 34
    0
    And let's proceed from the worst scenario, Turkey starts a war with Syria, Syria will have to fight on 2 fronts (one inside the country), with existing arms restrictions and practically surrounded by non-friendly states. At the beginning of the successful actions of the Syrian army against the Turkish, NATO fits in, the question of what Russia is doing and what China is doing. In my opinion, the maximum is moral support, or let's say that Assad is to blame and that's it. If Iran fits in, then I think the situation will become even more interesting in the East, then we need to start supplying weapons to all those who are fighting against the Westernizers, the longer they sweep them there, the more profitable Russia will be. But this option does not suit our elite, "goodbye london and paris, together with brooklyn" and they cannot agree to that. So it will be, I think by the end of the month everything will begin. If Assad does not resign one of these days, or a little later.