Accuracy is the courtesy of kings: adjustable artillery ammunition in Ukraine

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The 240-mm correctable mine "Smelchak" is one of the main denazifiers of Azovstal. Source: vpk.name

Management and correction


Like any weapon, adjustable artillery ammunition is a complex tangle of compromises. Let's start with the positives. First of all, "smart" projectiles turn an ordinary field gun, for example, a 152-mm 2A65 howitzer, into a precision weapon. With some conventions, we can say that gunners are getting a long-range guided missile into their arsenal, capable of hitting even moving targets.

The rather high cost of each shot is more than paid off by the total savings of classic ammunition. The sources give different numbers, but on average, a three-minute fire from an artillery battery, for example, with Daredevils or Centimeters, replaces a 15-20-minute artillery preparation in terms of efficiency. This means saving several tons of shells and the ability for artillery batteries to quickly leave positions.



In Ukraine, the nationalists are already armed with counter-battery systems capable of quickly responding to artillery shelling. According to calculations, to suppress an enemy artillery battalion at a distance of 15–20 km, it is required to use up from 600 to 800 conventional ammunition. No more than 152 corrected shells of 30-mm caliber for a similar purpose will be needed. Savings and efficiency are obvious. Unlike high-precision missiles, "smart" projectiles cannot be intercepted in flight - they are invulnerable to air defense systems.

At the same time, they themselves perfectly destroy enemy air defense systems, which Russian artillerymen have repeatedly demonstrated in Ukraine. It is convenient to strike with precision-guided munitions at two group targets located at a distance of up to 1 km from each other. To simplify, it is enough to point artillery pieces at the center of the grouping - it is not required to transfer aiming from one target to another. At the terminal stage of the flight, the projectiles themselves will correct the trajectory to the target, based on the laser illumination. In this case, a strike is possible on a target moving at a speed of up to 36 km / h. Here we come to the main thing - the technical support for the operation of corrected ammunition.

In fact, it is a whole science. First of all, it is necessary to illuminate the target with a laser. In the classic version, this is done by an operator with a target designator-rangefinder. Usually, products 1D20, 1D22 or 1D26, developed at the Polyus Research Institute named after V.I. M.F. Stelmakh. Place of production - JSC "Krasnogorsk plant named after. S. A. Zvereva. The equipment provides optical reconnaissance of targets on the ground, measurement of spherical coordinates (range, directional angle and elevation angle), as well as target illumination. The 1D22 target designator is a removable and remote device that can be mounted on the Mashina-M and Kapustnik-B artillery fire control vehicles. 1D20 "sees" a tank-type target at a distance of up to 5 km, 1D22 - up to 7 km.

In a portable version, these are rather bulky devices - a set of a tripod, a transceiver and a battery weighs from 30 to 42 kilograms. Modification 1D22M is capable of highlighting targets for air-to-surface missiles. Artillery laser designators in various designs, according to the developers, can be installed on Drones and helicopters. Drones with laser emitters, according to the military, have already worked during the Syrian military campaign.


A complex of means for automated fire control of artillery units "Malachite" (index KM-15). Source: roe.ru

The most modern ground-based target designation system in Russia is "Malachite" or "Complex of means for automated fire control of artillery units (index KM-15)". The product is equipped with an additional thermal imaging guidance channel and is placed in three packs with a total weight of 42 kg. Any target designation for gunners is an extremely risky and hard job. Spotters, especially those who cope with the guidance of guided projectiles, are always the top priority target. This, perhaps, is the main disadvantage of guided artillery weapons.

Shot - and did not forget


The logic of using a semi-active homing system for corrected artillery ammunition is as follows. On each laser designator, along with a radio station, synchronization equipment is placed, which, via a coded communication line, provides the broadcast of the “shot” command to the gun. At the point of illumination (ground or drone in the air), a timer is started with a clearly calculated flight time of the guided projectile to the target. Then everything works automatically. Only 1-3 seconds before the hit, the spotter turns on the laser in a pulsed mode, on which the incoming ammunition is guided - the correction engines turn on, and the projectile hits exactly on target.

Such a short period of illumination increases the chances of a group of spotters to survive. The less the laser is directed at the target, the less time the enemy has to respond. It is one thing to designate fortifications of terrorists somewhere in Syria for shells, and quite another to highlight Ukrainian Tanksequipped with radiation warning systems. The enemy can quickly release a smoke screen, start moving, or even hit the emitter from a cannon.


Before flying to the target, the projectile needs to drop the aerodynamic cap that hides the semi-active laser homing head. Perhaps this is the most high-tech part of the corrected projectiles. It is not enough to simply integrate the GOS from the rocket into the product - overloads during the shot will destroy the fragile structure even before leaving the barrel. For extreme overloads at the Leningrad Optical and Mechanical Association (LOMO), semi-active seekers were developed under the indices 9E421 and 9E430. The first is used for shells of 152 and 155 mm caliber, the second - for 122 mm. These are universal seekers used on both guided and corrected munitions.

As the developers themselves write, they “are designed to capture in flight and auto-track a target illuminated by a laser illuminator and generate commands in a two-channel projectile control system using the proportional approach method.” Due to the specifics of the work, these GOS withstand shock overloads from 9 to 000 g.


The line of corrected ammunition of the Russian army. Note the exotic 130 mm Firn-1 for M46 guns. Source: Encyclopedia of the XXI century. Weapons and technologies of Russia.

Domestic impulse correction ammunition appeared in the army in the early 80s. This is real Soviet know-how, known as RCIC technology. The most famous representatives of corrected ammunition are the 240 mm Daredevil mine and the 152 mm Centimeter artillery shell. During "Special Operation Z" both products are widely used. Recently released footage shows the Daredevils demilitarizing Nazis at Azovstal with a 2S4 Tyulpan self-propelled mortar.

A little about RCIC technology. Its essence is to change the trajectory of the projectile due to the work of miniature powder charges (gas rudders) directed perpendicular to the axis of the ammunition. In turn, each charge is placed in nozzles located in the tail section of the ammunition. The Daredevil has three such charges for each nozzle, the Centimeter has two. Of the entire line of guided (or corrected) ammunition, these products are the most budgetary. Unlike guided projectiles, adjustable ones do not require the installation of a complex gyroscope inside the body. Preparation for firing is also minimal - in fact, you only need to select the launch time of the seeker (1–3 seconds) and the fuse mode (“instantly” or “slowly”).


Mortar "Tulip" and his "Smelchak-M" work on "Azovstal". Source: t.me/vladlentatarsky

But there are also specific disadvantages. Due to the fact that "Smelchaki-M" and "Centimeters" move along a ballistic trajectory, they do not like low clouds. The GOS does not see the laser in the clouds, and when it emerges on the final part of the trajectory, it often does not have time to make a correction to the target - the maximum three seconds allotted for this may not be enough. Therefore, it is better to use corrected artillery in sunny weather. And yes, it is also desirable to choose a battlefield without smoke that distorts the aiming of products.

Corrected projectiles are less accurate than guided counterparts. On average, the probability of hitting the target (KVO) of the “Daredevil” - “Centimeter” pair varies from 0,8 to 1,5 m. For example, the controlled “Krasnopol” hits the target with a circular probability deviation of 0,7–0,8 m That is, for some well-protected and compact targets, not one, but two or three corrected projectiles may be needed.

However, this threatens the 240-mm artillery mine "Smelchak" to a lesser extent. A high-explosive ammunition weighing 135 kg carries 32 kg of explosives to the enemy's fortifications. Firing range from 3,2 to 9,2 km. A simple enumeration of the “ingredients” that ensure the operation of an adjustable mine is impressive: the 2F5 shot itself, the 1D15 laser designator-range finder, the 1A35K or 1A35I synchronization means, the R-107M radio station, the TA-57 field telephone and, finally, the Tulip self-propelled mortar. By the way, the "Daredevil" can also be operated from the outdated towed M-240 of the 1950 model.


Source: Encyclopedia of the XXI century. Weapons and technologies of Russia.


120-mm corrected mine "Beta" for the 2S12 "Sani" gun. Source: Encyclopedia of the XXI century. Weapons and technologies of Russia.

The 120-mm corrected Beta mine for the 2S12 Sani gun works on a similar principle. There are also RCIC ammunition in the arsenal of rocket artillery - the Threat-1M weapon system for the Grad system. For tank guns, an adjustable projectile of the Sokol-1 complex is used, which allows the armored vehicle to conduct high-precision firing from closed positions at a distance of up to 12 km. The main thing is to have an external target designation.

According to a number of sources, the next generation projectile, the Sokol-V, is at the development stage. And finally, a series of 152-mm shells "Centimeter". For a number of foreign countries, the product is produced in a 155 mm form factor under the Centimeter-1M index. After the collapse of the USSR, the developer of NTK Ameteh worked directly with the Americans to adapt the projectile to the M-109 howitzer and a number of other artillery systems.

The very first "Centimeter" appeared in service in the early 80s and was first tested in Afghanistan. This impressive 1,2-meter projectile weighing almost 50 kg was loaded with only 8,5 kg of explosives. The next model was the Centimeter-M. It shortened to 0,94 meters, reduced the weight to 43 kg, but the explosive charge increased to 12 kg. Depending on the type of projectile and artillery system, the range of "Centimeters" varies from 12 to 20 km.

The use of corrected munitions in Ukraine perfectly fits the main paradigm of the special operation - the destruction of only enemy military facilities. And it is desirable to carry out this with a minimum consumption of ammunition.
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  1. +7
    22 May 2022 11: 55
    Adjustable or homing - the differences are arbitrary, both options require target illumination, unless guidance is provided by Glonass signals or an active CGS.

    And about the phrase "At the terminal stage of the flight, the shells themselves ...". This is a tracing paper from English, the domestic version is the final stage of guidance.
    1. sen
      +9
      22 May 2022 12: 07
      There are systems for which the backlight is not needed. 81-mm "Merlin" with radar seeker MMV (Great Britain, firing range 4,5 km) and 120-mm "Strix" with IR seeker (Sweden, firing range 7,5 km with an additional charge). But the goals are, of course, specific: tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, guns.
      1. +11
        22 May 2022 13: 47
        Quote: sen
        There are systems for which the backlight is not needed.
        The article missed the direction in increasing the accuracy when firing conventional projectiles. On the same “Coalition-SV” there is a locator that tracks the flight of its projectile and immediately makes corrections for correction, so that the second projectile would land exactly where it needs to with maximum accuracy. In this case, it would not be correct to say that one corrected projectile can replace hundreds of uncorrected ones due to their low accuracy of hits.
    2. 0
      22 May 2022 16: 01
      Corrected - does not have feedback on the result of working out the command (correction command). Managed - has feedback on the result of working out the command (control command). These are not arbitrary differences at all.
  2. -9
    22 May 2022 11: 56
    At the same time, they themselves perfectly destroy enemy air defense systems, which was repeatedly demonstrated by Russian artillerymen in Ukraine

    Nonsense!
    Daredevil ~9 km
    If only "Krasnopol" ~ 25 km and then doubts.
    Who will push the air defense system to the enemy and the artillery system at such a distance in order to destroy the air defense system?
    Mortar "Tulip" and his "Smelchak-M" work on "Azovstal". Source: t.me/vladlentatarsky

    Bad photo. It's better not to expose it.
    1. -1
      22 May 2022 15: 44
      Quote from TreeSmall
      Who will push the air defense system to the enemy and the artillery system at such a distance in order to destroy the air defense system

      And how far from the front line are the C-10s?
      1. +2
        22 May 2022 16: 01
        And what is "S-10"?
        1. +1
          22 May 2022 18: 17
          Quote from TreeSmall
          And what is "S-10"?

          In total, SAM 9K35 "Strela-10"
          1. +1
            22 May 2022 19: 48
            Well, these generally count on the front.
            Blunted. I thought an air defense system like beech or s-300.
            But it seems that ours did not destroy them with a daredevil or red field.
            They only write
            The destruction of Russian Strela-10s from the Bayraktar TB2 UAV was recorded
          2. 0
            24 May 2022 01: 53
            And what is "S-10"?

            In total, SAM 9K35 "Strela-10"
            By this analogy, the Tor air defense system should be called "T", and the "Osu" - "O" ??! wink laughing laughing laughing
            1. 0
              24 May 2022 04: 25
              Quote: militarist63
              By this analogy, the Tor air defense system should be called "T", and the "Osu" - "O" ??!

              If this is enough for you, when drawing the situation on a graphic document, then for God's sake ...
              1. 0
                24 May 2022 22: 46
                If this is enough for you, when drawing the situation on a graphic document, then for God's sake ..
                To me? No, I'm used to calling things by their proper names, and not by some invented "S-10"!
    2. 0
      23 May 2022 01: 45
      And what's wrong with the photo?
      1. +1
        23 May 2022 03: 15
        The fact that they work in urban development, according to our propagandists, only Ukrainians are fond of this.
        1. +3
          23 May 2022 07: 55
          And how else can you pick out the enemy from the urban area, if you do not go into that building?
          1. -2
            24 May 2022 10: 17
            Quote: Monar
            if you don't go into that building?

            With a range of 9 km. A tulip is lighter than a breeze, at least any park or even just a wide road will do, wastelands were quite successfully found in Donetsk
        2. +2
          23 May 2022 09: 46
          good
          I've already decided that there are no thinkers left.
        3. +1
          23 May 2022 19: 37
          Well, it's an open secret. As usual, "it's not us."
    3. 0
      6 July 2022 21: 47
      "Bad photo..."
      Che minuses instructed a person, wise guys? He wrote correctly, look, there is a gun against the background of residential buildings, but not everyone understands that the houses are empty, that there are no inhabitants in them
  3. +5
    22 May 2022 11: 56
    Here we come to the main thing - the technical support for the operation of corrected ammunition.
    In fact, it is a whole science.
    It is clear that war, "pleasure" is not cheap!
    But all the same, the "big guys" are following the path of investing a lot of money in "smart" weapons and ... everything else that is necessary.
    1. +10
      22 May 2022 16: 27
      Artillery laser designators in various versions, according to the developers, can be installed on drones and helicopters. Drones with laser emitters, according to the military, have already worked during the Syrian military campaign.

      There are no such UAVs in the Russian Armed Forces. I'm tired of this constant lies! The calculation of suicide bombers on the ground cannot be used for laser illumination! For a long time it was necessary to make a UAV. The author did not point out another limitation: the target, the laser designator and the gun must be located approximately in the same plane ... This limitation significantly narrows the possibility of application. But for the UAV there is no such restriction, you don’t need to drag it - it flies by itself ... There is not a single video confirmation of the use of US in a special operation! No one !!! On the contrary, there are many videos from UAVs with enemy equipment, but they cannot get in. There was and cannot be any use of "Krasnopol", "Centimeter" .... There is a video from the Russian Ministry of Defense with outdated shells, where the application parameters are entered manually with the disassembly of the shell ... It's sickening to watch this circus and window dressing! In Belarus, a projectile has long been finalized, where the parameters are entered using electrical contacts ... The stupid squalor and devastation in this matter simply touches against the background of the mediocre work of artillery .... Guided projectiles for MLRS were developed, but never accepted into service ... Another duck about the adoption of the Forpost-R UAV with a laser target designator is also a lie ... It only highlights its own ammunition ... The Russian Armed Forces are not equipped with such weapons on the battlefield, these issues For 20 years no attention has been paid to...Stupid idiots...A unique weapon with high accuracy characteristics almost in the trash, as well as the "modern" systems for conducting an advanced war ESU TK "Sozvezdie-M", ACS "Andromeda-D", which Gerasimov personally introduced !!! They spent billions from the budget! And his unique HANDS and ROCKs? Where are they ? Has anyone heard mention of them in battle? IN KARAGANDA !
      The Russian Armed Forces are fighting with unique modern weapons like ... in 1945 .. All reconnaissance in battle from suicide bombers on the front end, there is no modern target designation and real-time guidance ........
      1. +3
        22 May 2022 16: 56
        Here is an opinion ... someone wants to refute or confirm?
        Only real, so, not a comment from the couch.
        I’m on the couch, so I just asked a question, I don’t have an answer, but fantasizing, theorizing, no, no, it’s not appropriate.
      2. +2
        22 May 2022 20: 43
        Quote: Volkof
        There are no such UAVs in the Russian Armed Forces. I'm tired of this constant lies!

        In 2017, a clip of a video of the use of UAVs in Syria was posted online.

        At 0:28, 2:52 and 4:14 in the upper left corner of the frame it is clearly read: "LCD. Illumination".



        There are persistent rumors that this is Orlan-30.
        1. +1
          22 May 2022 21: 30
          There are no such UAVs in the Russian Armed Forces

          There is not a single video confirmation of the use of US in a special operation! No one !!!

          I'm not against. Maybe there were studies, experiments? Organized, shown and forgotten....
          Very dubious shots, given the peculiarity of the use of US ... Why then are they not used?
          1. +2
            22 May 2022 22: 02
            Quote: Volkof
            I'm not against. Maybe there were studies, experiments? Organized, shown and forgotten....

            Apparently, in Syria there were military tests before being put into service. UAV state certification passed in 2016. Adoption, a series and the first UAVs in the troops were promised from 2020.
            Ukrainians recently posted photos of the Orlan-30 wreckage. Judging by the engine with a horizontal arrangement of two cylinders opposite each other, it is very likely that this is exactly thirty.
      3. +1
        23 May 2022 01: 52
        Reduce the number of "suicide bombers". There are loss statistics. Among the gunners, the lowest ones. And then on firing positions. On NP - art. scouts, gunners - even lower. Tales are one thing, but military science is another. I have the honor, captain of the reserve, divisional artillery.
      4. 0
        23 May 2022 10: 29
        The Russian Armed Forces are fighting with unique modern weapons like ... in 1945 .. All reconnaissance in battle from suicide bombers on the front end, there is no modern target designation and real-time guidance ........

        Yes, and the tactics of the 45th year, except for tank breakthroughs. In general, it looks very much like the trenches of the First World War.
        The infantry should have long been turned into units for identifying the targets of the enemy's front line and subsequent target designation. Those. aircraft controllers and artillery observers equipped with technical reconnaissance equipment such as thermal imagers, copters, etc. Long arm tactics.
  4. sen
    +3
    22 May 2022 12: 03
    Unlike high-precision missiles, "smart" projectiles cannot be intercepted in flight - they are invulnerable to air defense systems.

    You can try to intercept. For example, the German NBS C-RAM with 35mm AHEAD rounds.
    https://topwar.ru/26096-bogomol-ohotnik-za-snaryadami.html
    https://topwar.ru/163286-35-mm-programmiruemye-snarjady-oerlikon-contraves-ahead.html
    1. +2
      23 May 2022 01: 09
      Quote: sen
      You can try to intercept. For example, the German NBS C-RAM with 35mm AHEAD rounds.

      Such systems were created not only in Germany, but also in the USA and Israel. The American 20-mm six-barrel mount based on the ship's Phalanx has proven itself well in Iraq and Afghanistan. It turned out to be capable of intercepting up to 70% of single mines and Grad-type missiles.
      As for this publication, it is quite obvious that the author is absolutely not in the subject. For some reason, propagandist Zhenya Fedorov undertook to write articles on equipment and weapons, and the scope of his efforts is unusually wide. But whether it be articles about armored vehicles, artillery or American ballistic missiles, the result is frankly depressing everywhere. These opuses correspond to the party's policy, but are absolutely illiterate in content.
      Maybe already enough? Let everyone do their own thing, propagandists - agitation and propaganda, and experts - technical publications. And do not mix it up, because. turns out to be very stupid.
  5. +3
    22 May 2022 12: 05
    In addition to Krasnopole, I have not even heard of other ammunition
    1. +4
      22 May 2022 12: 08
      1K113 from OKB "Divkon" NTK "Ameteh" in Afghanistan was used
      Ahmad Shah Massoud will not let you lie.
      1. +3
        22 May 2022 12: 10
        Massoud will definitely not let you lie
    2. +5
      22 May 2022 12: 26
      Are there still whalers left? Or are 122 mm artillery finally written off?
  6. -3
    22 May 2022 12: 11
    Good article. Respect to the author.
  7. +4
    22 May 2022 12: 21
    a set of tripod, transceiver and battery weighs from 30 to 42 kilograms.
    It's a lot. Optimize by reducing the weight by an order of magnitude and cost and - to each platoon for issuing the coordinates of identified targets in the ACS of the battlefield.
    1. 0
      22 May 2022 13: 16
      It is necessary already purely on drones and illumination from them. No need to expose spotters under fire. Drones are not a pity
      1. 0
        23 May 2022 02: 02
        Fire on the spotter? It still needs to be found ... And this is even more difficult than reconnoitring the NP ... Ask art. scouts... :)
    2. 0
      23 May 2022 01: 58
      These devices are 30 years old. Modern 10 kg fit.
  8. +18
    22 May 2022 13: 00
    Dear author, what kind of utter nonsense did you write ??? Well, it's just READING IMPOSSIBLE!
    Do you have anything to do with artillery at all?
    According to calculations, to suppress an enemy artillery battalion at a distance of 15–20 km, it is required to use up from 600 to 800 conventional ammunition. Corrected shells of 152-mm caliber for a similar purpose will need no more than 30.

    When suppressing an artillery battalion at a given distance, according to the Shooting Rules, 2-3 battalions (18 guns each) are involved with a consumption of 10 shells per gun. Those. up to 540 shells.
    You need 2-4 guided projectiles per target, i.e. up to 72 to defeat the division. Here are just a) the target must be SEE and b) the target must be SHOOTED (a feature of corrected shells and mines, in contrast to guided ones). The enemy, of course, will patiently wait for the end of the process ...
    To simplify, it is enough to point the artillery pieces at the center of the grouping - it is not required to transfer the aiming from one target to another. At the terminal stage of the flight, the projectiles themselves will correct the trajectory to the target, based on the laser illumination

    Absolutely not. Even for guided projectiles of the Krasnopol type, there is a need to "shoot" into the selectable miss area, which is not as large as you think, and generally requires complete, or at least reduced preparation. And for corrected shells and mines, this requirement is so critical that they need to be fired.
    Artillery laser designators in various versions, according to the developers, can be installed on drones and helicopters.

    What??? belay Show me this developer!
    The most modern ground-based target designation system in Russia is Malachite

    "Malachite" is a commercial project of the Tula "KBP", designed exclusively to control the "Gran" mine, it has not been adopted for service, it is not in the army, it exists in single prototypes.
    The most famous representatives of corrected ammunition are the 240 mm Daredevil mine and the 152 mm Centimeter artillery shell. During "Special Operation Z" both products are widely used.

    The Centimeter was taken out of production (which, in fact, they didn’t manage to deploy) immediately after the appearance of the Krasnopol guided projectile, i.e. already in the second half of the 80s.
    No "corrected Beta mines", "Ugroza-1M weapons systems", tank "corrected shells of the Sokol-1 complex" There is no. The activities of the STC Ameteh enterprise, alas, ended with the death of its chief designer and ideological inspirer of the ideas of impulse correction, Vladimir Serafimovich Vishnevsky, who died in early 2016.
    The Sokol-V complex, as far as I know, has nothing to do with the family of corrected ammunition at all, the control principle there is completely different.
    Do not believe the populist Encyclopedia of the XNUMXst Century. Weapons and Technologies of Russia, issued solely in the interests of advertising enterprises of the military-industrial complex, and specifically the articles of its XII volume. There are too many fantasies about advanced weapons.
    Basically sorry, but negative
    1. -3
      22 May 2022 18: 05
      "Krasnopoli" are different! And "LUCH"? You can remember Kvitnik! Can't you really say anything? Why did they write then? For pluses?
      1. +7
        22 May 2022 18: 18
        To be honest, I do not understand the essence of your question. There are no "Krasnopoles" "different" in service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. There is only one - 3OF39. It seems that its modernized version is being developed, but, firstly, "it seems to be", and secondly, it is still being developed.
        "Luch" and "Kvitnik" Ukrainian development - this is absolutely not the topic. Well, it seems like if some interlocutor and I were discussing the advantages and disadvantages of the Russian assault rifles of the AK and AEK series, I would point out the incorrectness of the evidence base of the opponent defending any of these series, and then suddenly someone breaks into the dispute (read - you ) with the words "But you can also remember the (American) AR series! In fact, you can’t say anything? Why did you write then? For pluses?"
        You yourself are THIS, except for the "pluses", why did you write it?
        1. -2
          22 May 2022 19: 58
          "Luch" is a Belarusian version and not one, they are different ..
          https://bsvt.by/ru/innovacionnye-razrabotki/artillerijskie-upravlyaemye-sredstva-porazheniya
          "Krasnopol" is huge, but "Krasnopol-M" fits into the automatic loader ... And what is 3OF39M not in service with? I have a post on top, dear ... What does the machine have to do with it? Level 540 shells ?
          1. +5
            22 May 2022 20: 42
            Okay Belarusian. Yes, even German - does it change something?
            3OF39M is not in service.
            If you do not understand, where does the machine, I feel sorry for you.
            And tell me honestly, did you, by chance, in honor of the day off, not "accept"? It hurts to write incoherently ...
            1. -2
              22 May 2022 21: 20
              Of course, I’m not an inspection, but all sources say that the Krasnopol-M1 3OF39M is in service and can be included in the transportable stock of 50 shots, and can be located in the regular cells of the automatic feeder for loading ... Specify ...
              1. +5
                22 May 2022 21: 23
                ... in all sources it is written ...

                Please cite at least one of them that deserves attention.
                "Krasnopol-M1" is not in service with the Russian army. This is an initiative development of JSC "KBP", which has not received a "start in life".
                On its basis, the export-oriented 155-mm Krasnopol-M2 was created. And now, according to some rumors, its version, adapted to the 152 mm caliber, is now being prepared for adoption by the RF Armed Forces. But this is not 3OF39M. Such a projectile does not exist in the Russian army.
                1. 0
                  22 May 2022 21: 49
                  In fact, this means that "Krasnopol" is not used and cannot be used in principle?! And then what are the Belarusians modernizing in the form of "Luch-2"? .. Well, you just killed. I know it's an ass, but such a ! And "Centimeter" in the same place, only even deeper? And here they tell us fairy tales so that they believe and hope ... They told me the same thing that the Su-24 is a cool plane, only I served it ....
                  1. +4
                    22 May 2022 22: 03
                    In fact, this means that "Krasnopol" is not applied and cannot be applied in principle

                    belay Are you delusional? Just explain how this conclusion could be drawn from what I wrote?
                    Excuse me, but I have to repeat my question: Did you drink too much, or what?
                    1. 0
                      22 May 2022 23: 09
                      The control system includes:
                      - a system for synchronizing aiming and control during a shot of the IA35 type;
                      - control (command) computer IA35K;
                      - surveillance system IA351;
                      - Laser sight ID15.
                      https://knastu.ru/media/files/page_files/page_461/methodics/Rukovodstvo_po_BR_podr._art..pdf
                      page 39
                      1. +3
                        22 May 2022 23: 21
                        AND? What is written on page 39 of RBR-2002 that confirms your fantasies?
    2. +5
      22 May 2022 19: 18
      You rightly noticed that the author stupidly "listed" samples of weapons that do not currently exist "in nature" ... and, in general, were not mass-produced! (How did he even forget "Falcon-2" and "Autonomy"!? ... By the way, "Falcon-1" and "Falcon-2" are TOURS, not "tank shells"!) And you are right .. "Falcon-V" and "Falcon-1/2" are different, like heaven and earth!
    3. +6
      22 May 2022 20: 49
      Quote: Bogalex
      What??? belay Show me this developer!

      So far, the only UAV for which LCD equipment has been officially announced is Orlan-30.
      The complex with UAV "Orlan-30" is designed for:
      - conducting reconnaissance and maintenance of artillery firing in the optical and IR ranges;
      - determining the meteorological conditions of firing and compiling the bulletin "Meteorological average" with its subsequent refinement;
      - determination of weather conditions in the target area;
      - determination of the calculated installations for firing;
      - determination of projectile deviations from the target and calculation of corrections (including during shooting to kill);
      - when equipped with RTR equipment - detection of radio-emitting targets, followed by additional reconnaissance in the optical (IR) range;
      - when equipping an LCD for servicing firing with products of the Krasnopol family, as well as correctable ammunition Daredevil and Centimeter


      Source: http://nevskii-bastion.ru/orlan-30/ MTC "NEVSKY BASTION" AVKarpenko
      1. +2
        23 May 2022 10: 40
        Yes, Orlan-30 is considered the main UAV equipped with lighting equipment for VTB. The main one, but not the only one - there are other instances.
        But the essence of my amazement was not about that. Take a look at the quote from the article:
        Artillery laser designators <...> can be mounted on drones

        Artillery laser!
        Those. according to the author, for example, 1D15 or 1D22 are hung on "Orlan" or "Garnet"!
        1. +1
          23 May 2022 11: 45
          Quote: Bogalex
          But the essence of my amazement was not about that. Take a look at the quote from the article:
          Artillery laser designators <...> can be mounted on drones

          Artillery laser!
          Those. according to the author, for example, 1D15 or 1D22 are hung on "Orlan" or "Garnet"!

          Yes, yes, in that sense you are right. 1D22 on a UAV would really look ... enchanting. smile
    4. +2
      23 May 2022 00: 18
      Quote: Bogalex
      Do you have anything to do with artillery at all?

      It has to do with propaganda. negative But for some reason, he suddenly took up writing on technical topics. wassat
  9. 0
    22 May 2022 17: 48
    Quote: Bogalex
    Do not believe the populist "Encyclopedia of the XXI century.

    as a person far enough away from all this, I would like to understand. Please write an article about adjustable ammunition
    1. 0
      23 May 2022 10: 47
      Interesting offer.
      But the material, as you understand, is extremely extensive. Are you interested in adjusted ammunition in detail, or, for a start, an overview of VTB in general and their classification - how do adjustable ammunition differ from guided ones?
  10. +2
    23 May 2022 00: 12
    Unlike high-precision missiles, "smart" projectiles cannot be intercepted in flight - they are invulnerable to air defense systems.

    The author once again undertakes to write about what he does not understand anything. To date, there are already systems capable of intercepting artillery mines.
  11. 0
    23 May 2022 05: 52
    Therefore, the topic of gas correction of the trajectory, and in the final section, has not been forgotten. And here it is mentioned that this technology is used on rocket launchers, is there that all the shells will fly at the same target? Or are they illuminated in turn? What's the point then? The message during the creation was to get away from the gyroscope and reduce the target illumination time to a minimum. And here the smoke from previously exploding missiles will interfere with high-quality target designation and, in general, washed away the RZSO - work on areas
    1. 0
      23 May 2022 08: 55
      Quote: Ilya_Nsk
      the topic of gas correction of the trajectory is not forgotten,

      Not "forgotten" ... It is used in the USA and, vabche, in NATO ...
      Quote: Ilya_Nsk
      and in the final section

      Well ... In "Ametech" at one time, impulse correction was also proposed in the middle section of the flight path of a "long-range" missile ...
      Quote: Ilya_Nsk
      Will all projectiles hit the same target? Or are they illuminated in turn? What's the point then?

      There are ways to solve this "problem"! Firstly, it is not necessary to launch controlled (adjustable) (!) ERSs in one gulp! (They are launched sequentially "single", they can launch, for example, 2-3 projectiles; because there are recommendations for certain targets to fire several projectiles ...) Secondly, the laser seeker is encoded ... then, in principle , you can fire 3 eres in one gulp at three different targets, provided that they are illuminated by 3 lasers ... (This, for example, is practiced by Israel when using Nimrod missiles, if my memory serves me!)
  12. -2
    23 May 2022 16: 58
    Quote: Bogalex
    to begin with, an overview of VTB in general and their classification - how do adjustable ones differ from managed ones?

    It's always best to start from the very basics. I read about 120 mm corrected mines in the paper magazine Soviet Warrior in the last century and about their use in Afghanistan.
  13. 0
    12 June 2022 01: 34
    E. Fedorov does not understand at all what he is writing about. And why disclose the cooperation of enterprises-developers, the scheme of operation of the complex? Why talk about the advantages and disadvantages of weapons without knowing the essence of the issue? Many and many thousands of people worked on the creation of complexes of corrected and guided artillery weapons. And not at all so that one who has superficial knowledge and wants to become famous, leaked all this in the public domain, referring to some kind of Encyclopedia of the 21st century. In principle, for this it is necessary to be held accountable for the disclosure of information constituting the state. secret. Be careful in the comments!
  14. 0
    26 July 2022 20: 22
    All this is of course great, but why weren’t they puzzled by the development of a glonass homing head. In fact, with the principle of firing and forgetting, before firing, only the coordinates in the seeker.

    At the same time, it will not be necessary to highlight, but to give target designation from relatively cheap drones with a camera, while there should be a lot of them, up to the fact that each gun has its own drone. With a large target tracking coverage by time and territory.

    The profit is that it will not be one crew with red fields for the entire NWO, equipping such systems in theory will be cheaper than red fields and spotters. At the same time, Spanish standard shells with a new GOS fuse.
  15. 0
    4 August 2022 23: 19
    Quote: Victor_7
    And not at all so that one who has superficial knowledge and wants to become famous, leaked all this in the public domain, referring to some kind of Encyclopedia of the 21st century. In principle, for this it is necessary to be held accountable for the disclosure of information constituting the state. secret. Be careful in the comments!

    Let's not go on a witch hunt! If the author refers to an open and public publication, what are the claims against him? Are you trying to classify the degree of our backwardness?

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