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US supplied Ukraine with 155-mm M777A2 howitzers without digital fire control system

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The United States has supplied Ukraine with 777-mm M2A155 towed howitzers, some of the guns are already in the Donbass and are participating in hostilities against the Russian army and units of the NM of the people's republics. This was evidenced by numerous photographs and video with howitzers, filmed by servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


Ukrainians do not get tired of praising American guns, declaring that they received almost the "best howitzers" in the world. However, not everything is as rosy as they say in Kyiv, as it turned out, the Americans delivered to Ukraine a simplified version of the howitzer that does not have an electronic component - a digital fire control system that increases the efficiency of howitzer use by a multiple. The absence of the system is noticeable in the pictures of "Ukrainian" guns.

It is stated that without this system, the M777A2 howitzer from a high-precision gun goes into the category of a conventional gun, without any advantages. At the same time, the minuses of the howitzer itself come to the fore - this is the low survivability of the barrel, the general fragility of the structure and a strong lateral displacement. Experts have repeatedly spoken about the fragility of the structure. According to them, the problem is not critical if the howitzer is properly maintained and appropriate preventive maintenance is carried out. Otherwise, the tool quickly fails.

But let's get back to the digital SLA, which is absent on the howitzers supplied to Ukraine. There is an opinion that in this way the United States shows its distrust of the Ukrainian military, someone says that Ukrainian crews are not trained in the use of high-tech systems. However, everything is much more banal, when transferring howitzers, the Americans knew that some of them would certainly fall as trophies to the allied forces, i.e. the Russian army or the NM of the republics of Donbass, therefore, a simplified version was specially handed over. And they were right, the first howitzer had already fallen into the hands of the Russian military. Several sources reported this a couple of days ago, although there has been no official confirmation yet. Even if this information is not true, one or two American guns will still be captured in the near future, judging by the intensity of hostilities.

To date, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have from 85 to 90 M777A2 howitzers supplied from the United States. Other countries will supply a certain number of similar guns, but no more than two dozen.
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  1. Skipper
    Skipper 15 May 2022 17: 23
    +28
    Well ... you have to pay for everything ... otherwise it’s the best ... and it weighs 4.2 tons against the Soviet 7-9 tons. So, for the sake of weight, fragility appeared .. in short, it will not last long in a dirty, harsh war. God forbid, they will start to fail and break en masse .. otherwise you will look at it there is just so much stuck on it .. the design is very complex ... and when the mechanism is complex, it breaks faster and more often.
    1. SaLaR
      SaLaR 15 May 2022 17: 26
      +2
      A la Tiger... bully And we need T-34 smile
      1. Myths
        Myths 15 May 2022 18: 13
        +13
        So these howitzers have the calculation that they don’t shoot a lot and often. The electronic targeting system reduces the number of shots needed, which reduced the mass for easier movement. From that there will not appear new products of the block, they do not want their iron to appear in Russia and China.
        1. Timon2155
          Timon2155 15 May 2022 18: 44
          +17
          You write so breathlessly about the electronic unit. Here's a miracle! And, like, the Americans are protecting this miracle from Russia and China)))) isn’t it funny to you yourself? And if you delve into it, this is a banal ballistic computer, nothing more. Yes, he can quickly interrogate sensors (air temperature, humidity, charge temperature, howitzer and target position, etc.) and enter all these adjustments for shooting. Yes, it improves accuracy. But this is just a stupid computer and the tables embedded in it. There is not and cannot be any know-how.
          1. Zoer
            Zoer 15 May 2022 19: 23
            +4
            And if this digital SDA is connected to a counter-battery with a radar?
            1. Timon2155
              Timon2155 16 May 2022 01: 16
              +1
              And what will it change? The counter-battery radar will just as stupidly give out the coordinates of the target, and there is nothing secret in this transmission of coordinates. Here is the radar itself, yes, there are elements of know-how. But this radar is not included in the "composition" of the howitzer. But the towed howitzer itself is a tasty target for art duels! She physically cannot quickly change position - she is not too mobile.
              1. svoit
                svoit 16 May 2022 14: 37
                +2
                Quote: Timon2155

                And what will it change?
                this will allow you to open fire not in 20-30 minutes like ours, but in 1 minute, which will significantly reduce the reaction time
                1. Timon2155
                  Timon2155 16 May 2022 16: 38
                  0
                  Do not confuse and do not invent - there is no need to divert the topic - we are talking specifically about the electronic unit on the gun, and not about additional means of reconnaissance and target designation! The electronic unit on the howitzer by itself will not do anything, it will only calculate the ballistics. For quick return fire, he needs target designation from other means: drones, satellites, radar or something else. Is it all in Ukraine? There are few radars, there were bayraktars.
                  1. svoit
                    svoit 16 May 2022 18: 21
                    0
                    Quote: Timon2155
                    Do not confuse and do not invent - there is no need to divert the topic - we are talking specifically about the electronic unit on the gun,

                    That is, this unit cannot receive data from the radar?
                    Your post, to which I replied, already contained a bunch of radar and guns, the APU has no problems with target designation
                    1. Timon2155
                      Timon2155 16 May 2022 21: 09
                      0
                      Do you read my posts diagonally? By itself, a block mounted on a howitzer does not represent any secret! If the radars were more or less "secret", then why not give a block on the cannon? The theme “so as not to hit the enemy” does not converge. And the gunner Mykola can quickly receive data - there are no problems. Apparently, that's why they didn't give blocks - they won't help much. If Ukraine had a developed intelligence system, it might come in handy b.
              2. Zoer
                Zoer 16 May 2022 21: 48
                0
                This will give a radical reduction in the time for entering and processing information and aiming. As a result, the art duel wins the AU with the digital system.
                1. Timon2155
                  Timon2155 17 May 2022 09: 58
                  0
                  If it will be where to get this information about the goals. Where is the source? I went through info about radars and bayraktars, but there are few of them and less and less every day. Household drones are worse in this regard - they cannot give ready-made target coordinates.
          2. Myths
            Myths 15 May 2022 19: 39
            +2
            Then I see no reason why they didn’t give blocks? Didn't get it? Is everyone busy with exercises? Or is there no way to translate into Ukrainian? Or do you think artillery calculations are too smart to cope with complex equipment ... this is not done without a reason.
            For reference: the United States at the exercises at the Yuma training ground (Arizona) tested LIDAR robots, during which the Russian T-72 tank was used as the target of the “enemy”. This is reported by Breaking Defense.

            The robots identified the T-72 tank using the Aided Target Recognition (ATR) automatic target recognition algorithm, created on the basis of more than 3,5 million photographs of military equipment.

            However, the target was too far away from the robot to be hit by the built-in weapons. Therefore, artificial intelligence, with the approval of the operator, called in artillery support.

            P.s. I am writing this quite calmly.
            1. Timon2155
              Timon2155 16 May 2022 01: 23
              +1
              Why they didn’t give blocks, ask the Americans. They didn't give much.
              About lidars. You first understand how it works, and then write. In my robot vacuum cleaner, there is exactly the same lidar on the principle of operation - it builds a floor plan. In fact, a laser rangefinder with software that can build an "image" of objects around. There is no miracle there, and this relates very remotely to the howitzer - the robot advertised by you found the target and determined its coordinates, most likely in the most ideal conditions with clear outlines and not the first time, while comparing it with 3,5 million reference images)))) . A couple of branches on the tank - and your lidar will never find it - the outlines have changed (and the lidar only works with outlines, it cannot detect metal, for example), the program compares them with those stored in memory and does not find them. There is no coincidence, it means that this is not a tank, but just a forest))) The lidar is found elementary, in fog, rain, snow, dust does not work, it requires exclusively open areas and so on, muddy in general. Good on the Su-24MR - it sees ships well at sea, for example. And all these commendable epithets of Americans are designed for a naive public - don't be like that.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 16 May 2022 15: 27
                0
                Interesting, and possibly effective use
                Excalibur if there is no electronic unit on the howitzer?
          3. ch28k38
            ch28k38 15 May 2022 20: 35
            +4
            Soviet gunners, and others, took into account the "weather" according to the firing tables and data from the station, they simply automated the process, which increases the speed of preparation.
        2. stankow
          stankow 15 May 2022 18: 58
          +2
          China copied 7 years ago. Look for Norinco AN4
    2. Leshak
      Leshak 15 May 2022 17: 29
      +6
      Quote: Skipper
      God forbid they start to massively refuse and break ..

      And God forbid, they massively begin to fall into the trophies of our soldiers. Then they can work in reverse.
    3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 15 May 2022 17: 32
      +6
      Quote: Skipper
      Well ... you have to pay for everything ... otherwise it’s the best ... and it weighs 4.2 tons against the Soviet 7-9 tons. So, for the sake of weight, fragility appeared .. in short, it will not last long in a dirty, harsh war. God forbid, they will start to fail and break en masse .. otherwise you will look at it there is just so much stuck on it .. the design is very complex ... and when the mechanism is complex, it breaks faster and more often.

      Well, who knows, a German zig-machine came to us, the viduha is flimsy, I thought they nargel us, it has been plowing for 7 years without any complaints! hi
    4. leks
      leks 15 May 2022 17: 42
      +4
      In the same place, the weight was reduced due to the use of titanium, do you think the fragility has become higher, maybe vice versa !?
    5. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 15 May 2022 17: 57
      +7
      There is a bed with the use of titanium. There is nothing to look at the appearance. They are not fools. The weapon is designed for use by fighters with an expensive blood type. Not for the Indians.
    6. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 15 May 2022 18: 00
      +15
      How did they reach the front without being destroyed by our aircraft and missiles?
      what
      1. Nestorych
        Nestorych 15 May 2022 18: 12
        +3
        It's very simple, no one will hit rockets on trains, and 40% of Ukraine's air defense has been preserved, the work of the Aerospace Forces is limited.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 15 May 2022 18: 19
          +2
          Quote: Nestorych
          VKS work is limited.

          This is how we fight ... and then we are surprised and indignant at the shelling of our territories and the heavy losses of people.
          I do not understand such a war according to the rules of the enemy. request
          1. Nestorych
            Nestorych 15 May 2022 18: 25
            +5
            As an answer, I will quote the words of a retired general, he was still finishing the Soviet Academy of the General Staff.
            it is impossible to hold such an extended front with forces of 150 bayonets, but Apeshechka calls the headquarters and demands victorious reports - at least about something, but bring it to the hemp! From here and Belogorovka

            The allocated resources are simply not enough for the tasks at hand.
            1. _simply
              _simply 16 May 2022 09: 28
              +2
              We still manage to oppose something ... By God, it's a wonderful marvel. )) But, headlong to run to the embrasures is the height of stupidity. With such forces, the quality is acceptable. Quality! Somehow, yes somewhere, but to gnaw. And do not break through the concrete with a screwdriver
            2. svoit
              svoit 16 May 2022 14: 50
              0
              Quote: Nestorych
              The allocated resources are simply not enough for the tasks at hand.

              Firstly, the length of the front was reduced by one and a half times, secondly, the logistics were improved, there is no need to carry through Belarus, and thirdly, not least the reason for our failures is the lack of initiative and professionalism of the command staff
        2. Commissar of the NKVD
          Commissar of the NKVD 15 May 2022 20: 07
          +3
          Why, then, did Zelya hysteria "Close the sky!", If already 40% is saved?
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 15 May 2022 23: 18
            +1
            and what was he supposed to say - boys - we don’t need to help - we ourselves will unwind the Russian Federation? He's a drug addict, of course, but he's not an idiot.
          2. Elephant
            Elephant 16 May 2022 15: 07
            0
            Quote: NKVD Commissioner
            Why, then, did Zelya hysteria "Close the sky!", If already 40% is saved?

            These squeals were at the very beginning. Note that now he has almost a winner's rhetoric
            1. Commissar of the NKVD
              Commissar of the NKVD 16 May 2022 15: 11
              0
              They promised him something there: mountains of weapons, a lot of dollars and other goodies. What's the point of screaming if no one even twitches?
              1. Elephant
                Elephant 16 May 2022 15: 49
                0
                Quote: NKVD Commissioner
                They promised him something there: mountains of weapons, a lot of dollars and other goodies. What's the point of screaming if no one even twitches?

                In addition, to the delight of the clown, we pulled off Kuev and Chernigov ...
                1. Commissar of the NKVD
                  Commissar of the NKVD 16 May 2022 18: 32
                  0
                  Well, let yourself be happy. Till.
    7. Vadmir
      Vadmir 15 May 2022 18: 13
      +3
      Well ... you have to pay for everything ... otherwise it’s the best ... and it weighs 4.2 tons against the Soviet 7-9 tons. So, for the sake of weight, fragility appeared .. in short, it will not last long in a dirty, harsh war.
      It was created for local conflicts, and not for a harsh war.
      But on the other hand, the difference in mass is an advantage in mobility. Our last howitzers are from Soviet times. Technology has advanced over this time. Maybe just after this war, our designers will attend to the creation of new guns. And for this, it is necessary to take into account the characteristics of the weapons of a potential enemy, with which he can fight and compete in the arms market.
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 15 May 2022 19: 00
        +7
        Quote: Vadmir
        It was created for local conflicts, and not for a harsh war.
        But on the other hand, the difference in mass is an advantage in mobility. .
        M777 was created for possible movement by helicopters (CH-53) on an external sling.
        Without moving on turntables - M777 is simple 155mm towed howitzer.
        hi
      2. ch28k38
        ch28k38 15 May 2022 20: 39
        -2
        No, our last howitzers, as well as mortars, cannons and cannons - howitzers from the time of the Crimean War!
        1. Vadmir
          Vadmir 15 May 2022 21: 41
          +2
          The latest towed howitzer Msta-B, year of manufacture 1987
      3. ZAV69
        ZAV69 16 May 2022 00: 14
        0
        But on the other hand, the difference in mass is an advantage in mobility

        What can you roll with your hands? It seems not. But there is not much difference for the Urals or Krazu, to drag 4 or 7 tons in tow.
    8. poquello
      poquello 15 May 2022 18: 20
      +4
      Quote: Skipper
      .and then the best ... and her weight is 4.2 tons

      but there are a lot of useful titanium alloys there and something else, the non-ferrous metal is shorter)))), there is something to hand over
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 15 May 2022 18: 31
        +7
        Do you propose throwing gypsies into the inferno?
      2. ch28k38
        ch28k38 15 May 2022 20: 40
        0
        Titanium is mainly used as an alloying agent for steel.
        1. poquello
          poquello 15 May 2022 20: 56
          +1
          Quote: ch28k38
          Titanium is mainly used as an alloying agent for steel.

          I don’t know, their trunks are definitely worse than ours in principle, and the parts are made of titanium and aluminum for weight loss
    9. stankow
      stankow 15 May 2022 18: 54
      +8
      Completely wrong and biased comparison. Her competitor is not Msta-B, but Pat-B. Which has only 4.35 tons, without any titanium and fragility of the bed.
    10. 73bor
      73bor 15 May 2022 23: 38
      -1
      In my opinion, the problems with this gun were "appreciated" by the Indians - lightness and price in exchange for reliability! There, in my opinion, titanium is used and costs like two MSTA-B batteries!
    11. Evil 55
      Evil 55 16 May 2022 08: 13
      0
      "low barrel survivability, general fragility of the structure and strong lateral displacement" - with the exception of the first indicator, all the others have nothing to do with the howitzer .. Or, perhaps, the difficulty of translating from a castrated 26-letter language to "Great and Mighty".
    12. APASUS
      APASUS 16 May 2022 09: 12
      0
      Quote: Skipper
      God forbid, they will start to fail and break en masse .. otherwise you will look at it there is just so much stuck on it .. the design is very complex ... and when the mechanism is complex, it breaks faster and more often.

      American weapons love maintenance and lubrication. I doubt that the Ukrainians received a full set of skills to maintain it, spare parts are also expensive
  2. srelock
    srelock 15 May 2022 17: 24
    +11
    Probably the shot was close to being written off, so everything of value was removed before shipment.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 May 2022 17: 43
      +2
      Most likely a secret.
      1. poquello
        poquello 15 May 2022 18: 25
        +3
        Quote: srelock
        Probably the shot was close to being written off, so everything of value was removed before shipment.

        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Most likely a secret.

        rather, both, the secret is clear, but the trunks are zero or something - well, I don’t believe
    2. Clear
      Clear 15 May 2022 19: 08
      -1
      Quote: srelock
      Probably the shot was close to being written off, so everything of value was removed before shipment.

      Yes, they drove it already on the cheap, everything is secret at the reception point, lads. How to drink.
  3. GSDAS
    GSDAS 15 May 2022 17: 27
    0
    I think these howitzers have long been studied by our designers. Trophy deployed towards Ukraine.
    1. KCA
      KCA 15 May 2022 17: 35
      +2
      Well, if this news, not to mention the Internet, was shown two or three days ago even by the Russia TV channel, and an empty area for guidance modules and hanging cables for connection was shown, guns that were still falling apart after a shot were shown, and all the incidents on the Internet with a description of the incidents and last names with the victims, it seems to me that our designers are not a bit interested in IT
      1. Vadmir
        Vadmir 15 May 2022 18: 06
        +7
        it seems to me that our designers are not a bit interested in THIS
        Alien weapons are always interesting. Not in order to copy, but in order to peep interesting engineering solutions and take into account the characteristics when developing your weapons.
        1. KCA
          KCA 15 May 2022 18: 13
          +1
          So these are successful products, but here neither the gun nor the shell is about anything, then the shell in the barrel will detonate, because of which the amount of gunpowder in the shot was simply reduced, instead of understanding the reasons, then the gun itself falls apart into a puzzle, maybe ours designers still get Molot-2 to study?
          1. poquello
            poquello 15 May 2022 18: 28
            0
            Quote: KCA
            So these are successful products, but here neither the gun nor the shell is about anything, then the shell in the barrel will detonate, because of which the amount of gunpowder in the shot was simply reduced, instead of understanding the reasons, then the gun itself falls apart into a puzzle, maybe ours designers still get Molot-2 to study?

            in, I tried to remember how this miracle of dill engineering is called with similar problems
            1. KCA
              KCA 15 May 2022 18: 57
              +4
              In the howitzer, at least the pressure when fired, the bolt, recoil, swivel, a lot of things, but in the hammer it was just a pipe with a pin at the bottom that flew apart, from tin drain pipes that come from the roofs, they made them, choli
      2. stankow
        stankow 15 May 2022 19: 13
        +3
        It seems that the radar module for measuring the initial velocity of the projectile has been removed, expensive, secret, not really needed. There is no GPS module - the code under the military frequency L2 will still not be given. The data transfer display seems to be worth it. Ballistic computer - I don't know. Yes, and yards and foot-seconds are unlikely to cope. It is easier to convert the shooting tables and corrections to metric and count the old fashioned way. It won't be much slower.
  4. Mikhail Sidorov
    Mikhail Sidorov 15 May 2022 17: 28
    +22
    To date, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have from 85 to 90 M777A2 howitzers supplied from the United States. Other countries will supply a certain number of similar guns, but no more than two dozen.

    This is a dangerous and deadly weapon and the chuckle that there is something missing is, in my opinion, inappropriate. The bottom line is that deliveries both went on and on.
    1. Commissar of the NKVD
      Commissar of the NKVD 15 May 2022 17: 45
      -4
      Well, yes, they go ... they put a hundred, ten reach
  5. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 15 May 2022 17: 30
    +1
    Might be a secret thing
    that's why they didn't put it in.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 May 2022 17: 31
    +2
    Q.E.D. Wunderwaffe did not happen. Ordinary guns, even rather weak mechanically.
    The accuracy is normal, the pointing speed is the same. They don't like Ukraine... Well, they don't like... They don't trust.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 May 2022 17: 44
      -3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The accuracy is normal, the pointing speed is also

      Distance forgotten! wink
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 15 May 2022 17: 59
        +7
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Distance forgotten!

        Range without a digital system? And how should the Excalibur set the coordinates of the target?
        IMHO, it won't work. Simple active-reactive dispersion gives a lot. At extreme distances - up to 200 m! Dill does not have so many expensive shells to cover the areas.
        1. Flanker692
          Flanker692 15 May 2022 20: 38
          +5
          programmed using the induction method, if the implement is not equipped with a built-in programming system, then a portable programming device can be used. EPIAFS - Enhanced Portable Inductive Artillery Fuze Setter - a portable induction setter for artillery fuses, including such shells as Excalibur from Raytheon. The installer allows you to connect power and enter all the necessary data, such as the location of the gun and target, trajectory information, GPS cryptographic keys, GPS information, exact time and data for setting the fuse.

          Sergeant Sullivan uses a portable M777 howitzer projectile launcher. Afghanistan 2008.
          PS Well, the M982 Excalibur, like Krasnopol, does not seem to be active rocket projectiles: the increase in range occurs due to planning with the help of plumage.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 15 May 2022 17: 46
      0
      Range is extraordinary.
      Thanks to projectiles with a jet booster.
      1. srelock
        srelock 15 May 2022 18: 31
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Range is extraordinary.
        Thanks to projectiles with a jet booster.
        Like the D30.
      2. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 15 May 2022 19: 07
        +4
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Range is extraordinary.
        Thanks to projectiles with a jet booster.
        Range is about
        М777ER - barrel length 52 caliber (+1,8 meters) + weight +450kg + active rocket projectile HM1113 + charge HM654 = 70km
        hi
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 15 May 2022 21: 47
          -3
          Those supplied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine shoot at 40 km.
          1. srelock
            srelock 15 May 2022 22: 52
            +3
            Those supplied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine shoot at a maximum of 22 km. Barrel 32cal., M119A2 charge, M549 projectile. The enhanced M203 charge on the M777 is not applied.
      3. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 15 May 2022 21: 20
        0
        Range is good, but are you sure that this is our everything? Well, how many such shells will be delivered, and with what?
        It is clear that this is a howitzer and it hits painfully, but fundamentally no more painful than our howitzers.
    3. Beetle1991
      Beetle1991 15 May 2022 17: 51
      +4
      There are more than 150.000 shells attached to these barrels, if sclerosis does not change me.
      Maybe without digital systems, but they delivered in decent quantities.
      Maybe not funderwaffles, but they will fight on an equal footing with 152mm guns.
      So for a war of attrition just right.
      They have enough cannon fodder.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 15 May 2022 18: 06
        +8
        Quote: Beetle1991
        There are more than 150.000 shells attached to these barrels, if sclerosis does not change me.
        Maybe without digital systems, but they delivered in decent quantities

        Not much. 1500 pieces per barrel. With an average rate of fire of 6 rounds per minute.
        4 hours of fire. It is clear that no weapon can withstand such a pace. However, the normal daily ammunition load is 100 rounds. Even if ALL the shells reached the guns, this is ammunition for two weeks of not very intense battles. And given the low resource of the barrels and the lack of a repair base - IMHO, the howitzers will end in about a month and a half, that's all. And most - before.
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 15 May 2022 18: 35
          +1
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          given the low resource of the barrels and the lack of a repair base - IMHO, the howitzers will end in about a month and a half, that's all.

          I doubt that she has a barrel resource of more than 500 shots. So for a month of low-intensity fights. And if 100 shells per barrel per day, then in a week they will stumble into the trash.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 15 May 2022 19: 12
            +3
            Quote: Captain Pushkin
            I doubt that she has a barrel resource of more than 500 shots.

            If they hit with full charges, then maybe. And if half - then just for 1500 shots (wear is non-linear!). So, most likely, a set of ammunition was put "in a pleportion" ... No surplus. wassat
            1. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 15 May 2022 21: 04
              +3
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              if half - then just for 1500 shots

              Maybe so, save the trunks.
              The second point is that the Americans have always been good with spare parts and repairs. Repair kits can be supplied. Plus, they taught the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for quite a long time. To learn how to shoot from this howitzer, behind the eyes, a couple of days through the roof. More like maintenance and repair.
          2. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 15 May 2022 19: 13
            +1
            Quote: Captain Pushkin

            I doubt that she has a barrel resource of more than 500 shots ..
            The resource of the barrel is very dependent on the charge of gunpowder.
            With the maximum propellant charge of gunpowder, for the greatest firing range, the resource of the barrel is eaten up much faster.
        2. Mad_Max
          Mad_Max 15 May 2022 23: 02
          0
          Several other countries also promised (or have already) delivered 155mm shells to them. In total, about 100 thousand more pieces.
          So everything is just balanced - taking into account that the howitzers themselves will also be actively retired (due to counter-battery combat, simply wear and tear, capture in trophies), it is unlikely that serviceable guns will still stand without shells.
        3. uav80
          uav80 16 May 2022 14: 48
          0
          Here you also need hands from a boring place to grow, and most importantly, a head on your shoulders without cockroaches. Artillery is not infantry from terbats or Volkssturm, you can’t train in a week
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 15 May 2022 21: 21
        0
        Cannon fodder has been useless since Roman times, as Plautus said.
    4. stankow
      stankow 15 May 2022 19: 04
      0
      The rate of fire is low. What is a 2-meter **bend** breaker worth, they are operating with it as many as two calculation numbers !!?
  7. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 15 May 2022 17: 36
    -2
    At the same time, the minuses of the howitzer itself come to the fore - this is the low survivability of the barrel, the general fragility of the structure and a strong lateral displacement. Experts have repeatedly spoken about the fragility of the structure. According to them, the problem is not critical if the howitzer is properly maintained and appropriate preventive maintenance is carried out.

    And how can you not remember about the legendary "Indian trading gun"? Not to say that it sucks, but far from being an Uberwaffe. The natives will do... request
  8. Incomprehensible
    Incomprehensible 15 May 2022 17: 38
    +2
    Quote: Leshak
    Quote: Skipper
    God forbid they start to massively refuse and break ..

    And God forbid, they massively begin to fall into the trophies of our soldiers. Then they can work in reverse.

    Are you seriously? ))
  9. Nafanya from the sofa
    Nafanya from the sofa 15 May 2022 17: 41
    +10
    The digital fire control system, unlike the howitzer itself, is probably secret. Therefore, the Americans removed it, because. they know that those howitzers that are not bombed will surely fall as trophies to ours.
    There is only one question - how did they get to the Donbass and how does this fit with the reports about the destruction of Ukrainian railways.
    1. Commissar of the NKVD
      Commissar of the NKVD 15 May 2022 17: 44
      +4
      There are also roads besides the railway and it’s impossible to screw them all up
      1. Nafanya from the sofa
        Nafanya from the sofa 15 May 2022 17: 53
        +2
        There are also roads besides the railway and it’s impossible to screw them all up

        A battery of these "fools" by road through the whole of Ukraine + shells?
        "I hesitate." But in any case, intelligence screwed up.
        1. Commissar of the NKVD
          Commissar of the NKVD 15 May 2022 18: 43
          0
          Why all over? You can reload somewhere in the center. And no mention of batteries. It seems that units reach the front
        2. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 15 May 2022 21: 22
          +2
          And why did you decide that this is all already in the Donbass?
      2. Elephant
        Elephant 16 May 2022 15: 26
        0
        Quote: NKVD Commissioner
        There are also roads besides the railway and it’s impossible to screw them all up

        Roads are not. And the most difficult-to-repair bridges across water barriers like the Dnieper - yes
    2. Napayz
      Napayz 15 May 2022 17: 53
      +1
      without digital fire control system
      Commissar of the NKVD answered. Further, as an option, they could carry in trucks
    3. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 15 May 2022 18: 39
      -3
      Quote: Nafanya from the couch
      The digital fire control system, unlike the howitzer itself, is probably secret.

      What could be secret? That all electronics are Chinese?
      1. conel96
        conel96 15 May 2022 20: 17
        -1
        Chinese electronics are two generations behind American ones. The Americans have taken steps to prevent the Chinese from copying the advances in electronics of the past 10 years.
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 15 May 2022 21: 10
          +1
          Quote from conel96
          Chinese electronics are two generations behind American ones

          Come on. The Yankees in Congress were buzzing that the electronics of their new aircraft were largely Chinese. The label may be an American firm, but the actual production is at an "American" firm in China.
        2. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 15 May 2022 21: 23
          0
          And having a production base, they won’t be able to think of something?
  10. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 15 May 2022 17: 42
    +6
    Where is the most important thing? WIKI
    M777A2 - Updated software to add an Enhanced Portable Inductive Artillery Fuze Setter to use Excalibur ammunition. the shot was supposed to have a firing range of 982 to 155 km
    request .
  11. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 15 May 2022 17: 43
    0
    And why did this car even drive to the place of hostilities?
    Considering the moment that the Russian Federation still has complete air supremacy. According to the General Staff.
    Who will tell me...
    1. t-4
      t-4 15 May 2022 18: 17
      +11
      General Konashenkov, probably .... what
      If I had read your post.
      But the general is not a reader, he is a writer.
      1. Mad_Max
        Mad_Max 15 May 2022 23: 09
        +3
        And not a writer either. He is like him, but: a narrator (narrator).
  12. Lelek
    Lelek 15 May 2022 17: 43
    +5
    The Americans are justifiably afraid that their precision aiming devices will immediately fall into the hands of the Russian Federation and the LDNR, and for dill, such a piece of iron will do, but there will be talk of military assistance for a whole block, and for "gordons" and "arrestovichs" - butter for bread.
  13. Commissar of the NKVD
    Commissar of the NKVD 15 May 2022 17: 43
    +1
    That is, I understand that without this digital crap, these wunderwaffles are not much different from the Soviet howitzers familiar to the airmen.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 15 May 2022 18: 11
      +3
      Quote: NKVD Commissioner
      That is, I understand that without this digital crap, these wunderwaffles are not much different from the Soviet howitzers familiar to the airmen.

      Exactly. And they cannot shoot with Excaliburs. There are no devices for programming these projectiles. Didn't put. This means that the shells were not delivered.
      1. Flanker692
        Flanker692 15 May 2022 20: 51
        +2
        They can. the "smart box" on the barrel is not an installer for excaliburs. There he is

        portable kalatushka, which is applied to the cap of the projectile before it is loaded. Excaliburs have long been modified for use from any 155-mm NATO howitzer. Those. from Pzh 2000, AS90, Susan and others that they are also going to put them on, you can shoot them. you only need an installer.
        1. Mad_Max
          Mad_Max 15 May 2022 23: 18
          0
          How can you pre-program everything?
          In the same place, it seems, there was a measurement of the speed of the projectile when fired (real, not calculated) and "additional programming" literally on the fly via the radio channel in order to make adjustments for the actual initial flight speed.
          Or now, after refinement, the projectile itself determines everything (by GPS?)
          1. Flanker692
            Flanker692 16 May 2022 00: 05
            +3
            reconnaissance gives a point on the map, you drive in these coordinates on the screen and then you apply the installer to the cap of shells. all work done. Excalibur is completely autonomous, it can determine its location by gps and corrects the point of arrival. moreover, it is capable of significantly (by tens of degrees) turning in flight, which, in principle, will create difficulties (most likely, make it impossible) for a counter-battery fight against it. not at all an artilleryman, but it seems to me that this ballistic radar is needed to control and adjust their own firing with conventional shells. everything was created in the era of the absence of drones - when the actual parameters of the projectile that has flown out are measured, the fall trajectory is calculated and the computer makes automatic adjustments.
            1. Aist_M
              Aist_M 16 May 2022 00: 28
              +1
              It is quite possible that this stray works as a calibrator, sighting, the introduction of amendments for factory characteristics and barrel wear. For example, after every 100 shots service. They hooked up the radar, fired 5 shells, wrote down the correction in the box, which is on springs. They call it adaptation. You don't need a radar anymore.
  14. Napayz
    Napayz 15 May 2022 17: 49
    -4
    ... without a digital fire control system ...
    could put without trunks or wheels)))
  15. Cowbra
    Cowbra 15 May 2022 17: 49
    -3
    Yes, and the Russian Federation destroyed the shells along the way ... Instead of trembit, there will be raguli.
    By the way, this will not affect the price.
  16. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 15 May 2022 17: 53
    +3
    To date, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have from 85 to 90 M777A2 howitzers.

    ... that is, almost all attempts to block Lend-Lease access failed.
    1. Nestorych
      Nestorych 15 May 2022 18: 15
      -1
      This was immediately clear, 40% air defense was preserved, and it was simply impossible to kill the entire infrastructure with missiles.
      1. poquello
        poquello 15 May 2022 18: 37
        +1
        Quote: Nestorych
        , air defense 40% preserved

        and where did you get it from?
        1. composite
          composite 15 May 2022 19: 25
          -4
          Quote: poquello
          Quote: Nestorych
          , air defense 40% preserved

          and where did you get it from?

          At the border of Ukraine 24 hours a pair of AWACS, a pair of strategists. UAV, Growler, and VKP E8, giving target designation, satellite reconnaissance; the ground is full of beeches with off. Radar, not to mention MANPADS with a ceiling up to 5000m.
          a rare caliber will reach the middle of the Dnieper, as they say. And here is the land-lease on the nose, which will open the doors / sky for heavy UAVs. about f16 already wrote.
          Shooting daggers across bridges is so-so.
          In general, the removal of air defense is the Six-Day War for the model.
          1. poquello
            poquello 15 May 2022 19: 44
            +2
            Quote: composite
            Quote: poquello
            Quote: Nestorych
            , air defense 40% preserved

            and where did you get it from?

            At the border of Ukraine 24 hours a pair of AWACS, a pair of strategists. UAV, Growler, and..

            and what? so 40%? one figure on one channel bzdnul and a group of comrades here are like parrots, something the dill air defense is dragging from where they can
          2. Looking for
            Looking for 15 May 2022 19: 46
            -1
            why did you show up to spread panic??!!
            1. composite
              composite 15 May 2022 21: 37
              0
              Seeker, this is just an assessment of the information available. easily gives the answer why the supply of arms is not stopped and why the aviation of the Russian Federation does not work in the west. no-fly zone I believe there is provided.
        2. Nestorych
          Nestorych 15 May 2022 19: 43
          +2
          Today, the aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces is opposed by:
          Twenty S300PT/PS divisions and one S-300V1 division. A little less than thirty Buk-M1 air defense systems
          (I do not take into account any MANPADS, OSA and Tunguska, they do not have a significant impact on the work of aviation).
          A picture of the airspace is provided by about 30 locators of all stripes and NATO Awaks from the territory of Romania and Poland + reconnaissance aircraft and UAVs from the Black Sea.
          Aviation is represented by two and a half dozen Su-27P / UB and MiG-29, which are on duty in turn outside the zone of destruction of our air defense systems and our fighters under the cover of their air defense systems.
          There are five Su-25s and 30 Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters.
          And there are a little more than a dozen Bayraktars.
          All Su-24M/MRs and remnants of S-125M1s appear to have been completely destroyed.
          Almost all Ukrainian airfields have been restored and are combat ready. And all the available aviation is smeared over them with a thin layer.
          Slightly there are deliveries of combat aircraft, helicopters and hired pilots from abroad.
          It should be noted that Ukraine uses everything that flies to ensure reconnaissance and transportation. This is the An-2, and the Yak-52, and other flying ones.
          Well, the Ukrainians use about twenty signal simulators.
          Let's get back to the SAM.
          Two dozen S-300s and three dozen Beeches are serious. This is about 40% of what it was at the beginning of the war, but it's a lot.
          Ukrainians do not actually use air defense systems to cover their facilities, they use them to destroy our aircraft. I deliberately omit work on cruise missiles, this is another topic. There is a significant difference between covering objects and destroying aircraft. You can catch on the run, work from ambush, work for sure with a short turn-on time for radiation guidance locators.
          You can try to swoop down in a couple of days with the available forces and means to demolish all these air defense systems, but after that operational-tactical aviation will cease to exist. And there is little left of the army.
          Therefore, hard work is now underway to detect and destroy every three hundred and every BUK.
          How long this work will take, I do not know.
          With the remaining fighters and garbage like Bayraktarov, after the destruction of most of the air defense systems, the issue will be resolved in a day or two.
          But complete air supremacy is still very far away.
          Let me remind you that there are three types of air supremacy.
          Complete, operational and tactical.
          1. Ugochaves
            Ugochaves 16 May 2022 06: 50
            -2
            At least you wrote where you dragged it from, and at the same time the discussion under the article. Stupid repost is not from a great mind.
    2. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 15 May 2022 18: 35
      +1
      A few days ago, there was an article that partners acknowledge a high degree of supply losses. At first they thought the losses were combat, then they came to the conclusion that they were being destroyed along the way. But something is coming, in fact, Kots wrote about new electronic warfare equipment, they cover critical places - drones jam.
      1. Commissar of the NKVD
        Commissar of the NKVD 15 May 2022 18: 45
        -1
        destroyed along the way.

        Or even sold somewhere in Africa
  17. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 15 May 2022 18: 20
    +3
    Considering that the main fire of their artillery is on settlements, then these creatures, even without a control system, are an invaluable gift.
    In our LBS, they worked mainly with 120 mortars, and shells and hail flew through the cities.
  18. composite
    composite 15 May 2022 18: 21
    +1
    I can’t imagine why they put the expensive m777 and not the m198, which the first one replaced. Is the logistics in charge?
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 15 May 2022 19: 20
      -1
      Quote: composite
      I can’t imagine why they put the expensive m777 and not the m198, which the first one replaced. Is the logistics in charge?
      Taxes the amount of profit $.
      He helped Ukraine - he handed over the M777 - in exchange for the warehouse in the artillery unit, he would have to supply the same amount of M777.
      The plant producing the M777 receives new orders ...
      bully
      1. Mad_Max
        Mad_Max 15 May 2022 23: 25
        +1
        So with the M198, the same logic works great, even better.
        There are several hundred more of them in service with the US Armed Forces. He sent a batch of M198s to Ukraine, in return he ordered a similar number of M777s to replace his troops.

        Here, not only the plant will say "thank you" for the order, but also its own army (for the early re-equipment of some units with more modern equipment ahead of schedule).
  19. rocket757
    rocket757 15 May 2022 18: 22
    +5
    US supplied Ukraine with 155-mm M777A2 howitzers without digital fire control system
    . Anyway, the weapon is serious and, with skillful use, dangerous for the enemy.
    Conclusion, utilize "musicians - cooks" to the maximum.
  20. Saboteur_Navy
    Saboteur_Navy 15 May 2022 18: 23
    -1
    We have 2 options
    Destroy them along the way
    Air Force, need a lot of Air Force especially S-34
  21. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 15 May 2022 18: 46
    +1
    They understand that the DPR or Russia will have all this, and the control system is the most valuable thing, without it scrap metal.
  22. TerraSandera
    TerraSandera 15 May 2022 18: 51
    0
    Well done for making noise. Now they will be taken to them, or they will find who took it off. That feeling when your propaganda only gets in the way...
    1. Chronos
      Chronos 15 May 2022 19: 31
      +1
      Quote: TerraSandera
      Well done for making noise. Now they will be taken to them, or they will find who took it off. That feeling when your propaganda only gets in the way...

      Propaganda has nothing to do with it, the Pentagon clearly defines the range of supplies. If they didn’t deliver, it means that they decided so, and they won’t deliver anything.
      1. TerraSandera
        TerraSandera 15 May 2022 21: 47
        0
        After the supply of Jawas, some types of drones, and the possible supply of traitors, I don’t think that they are afraid of some kind of guidance units falling into the hands of anti-fascists.
  23. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 15 May 2022 18: 52
    0
    Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
    Well, who knows, a German zig-machine came to us, the viduha is flimsy, I thought they nargel us, it has been plowing for 7 years without any complaints!

    Excuse me, but how many shots did you fire from it? Doesn't she shoot? Yes, and not American, but German? .. Well, Mercedes also at one time lived much longer than Fords. winked
  24. Normann
    Normann 15 May 2022 18: 54
    0
    They put a hundred howitzers and thousands of shells for them, all this without hiding. Maybe it's time for us to supply weapons to some regimes objectionable to Washington?
    1. TerraSandera
      TerraSandera 15 May 2022 21: 51
      +2
      See, here's the problem. Part of those mobilized in the L-DNR are fighting with mosquitoes, without armor, and in helmets of 43 years of release. Maybe arm them first? The L-DPR corps took a sip of blood, and their unshelled replenishment closes weak spots in the defense, along with the Russian Guard, which also has different tasks, on the second line. And you, put weapons to objectionable regimes. What? We have a war, and it is not yet clear with what result it will end.
      1. Normann
        Normann 16 May 2022 01: 23
        0
        If we win, we will win, the question is at what cost.
        1. TerraSandera
          TerraSandera 19 May 2022 07: 19
          0
          It is already huge, it is first of all human lives. Math costs, technique, that's another question. But most importantly, what is considered a victory? And of course the classics, all this had to be done in 2014.
  25. couch
    couch 15 May 2022 19: 00
    +3
    it’s not bad that they don’t have a digital SLA, but the fact that they arrived at the front line and shoot at our guys! couldn't they have been drowned (together with the blown up bridge) somewhere up to Lvov? Can someone explain this paradox clearly?
  26. garik77
    garik77 15 May 2022 19: 22
    0
    It’s not clear what the hell they even got to xoxls, and weren’t destroyed somewhere along the way
  27. Sfurei
    Sfurei 15 May 2022 19: 27
    0
    My brother (artilleryman) and I discussed the delivery of the M777 to Ukraine. As such, the gun is not bad, weight reduction has been achieved through the use of modern technologies and materials. But there are also disadvantages:
    1. difficulty in operation, incl. piston valve, anti-recoil system, etc., the complexity of maintenance,
    2. low rate of fire, due not only to the complexity of loading, but also to the possible overheating of the barrel,
    3. low speed of transportation and high probability of damage is precisely at high speed of transportation over rough terrain.
    Those. if correctly operated and constantly properly serviced, it will last long enough and well. And in inept hands it will probably die quickly !!
    Let's hope for the "skillful" hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine!!
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 15 May 2022 19: 42
      -1
      the video shows that she walks with a shaker after each shot.
    2. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 15 May 2022 21: 27
      -1
      Just ask your brother how a gun differs from a howitzer, I don’t argue that he is literate, but my wife understands the difference, for example, excuse me.
      1. Mad_Max
        Mad_Max 16 May 2022 00: 03
        +1
        And how is it different?
        Now the division is very conditional.
        For its main purpose (shooting from closed positions along a hinged trajectory), it is a howitzer
        As before, the gradation was carried out along the length of the barrel - it is a gun (because it is more than 30 calibers, specifically 39 in the standard version and 52 in the long-barreled extended range).
        Direct fire along a flat trajectory, like an ordinary gun, can also shoot.
    3. Normann
      Normann 16 May 2022 01: 24
      -2
      And where is the smart black shells?
  28. Mikhail Alekseev_2
    Mikhail Alekseev_2 15 May 2022 19: 28
    0
    towed guns are good in a war with a weak enemy, in a mobile war these things will not even have time to move to another place
    1. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 15 May 2022 21: 28
      +3
      But they are cheap and it’s not a fact that you can determine where they hit you from. Don't underestimate.
    2. Aist_M
      Aist_M 16 May 2022 09: 17
      +1
      It can be hidden in any garage, as it is compact. Attach to a wheeled tractor or a truck with a manipulator. And in the back of the shells on flights, disguised as bricks. It leaves no traces like caterpillar self-propelled guns, and therefore it will be extremely difficult to track and destroy it. And if the soldier is dressed as builders, then you can roll it anywhere.
  29. dimbasic
    dimbasic 15 May 2022 19: 30
    0
    why do the Papuans need a number?
    1. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 15 May 2022 21: 29
      +3
      So we have so many problems in the war with the Papuans?
  30. Looking for
    Looking for 15 May 2022 19: 40
    -4
    Quote: Nestorych
    It's very simple, no one will hit rockets on trains, and 40% of Ukraine's air defense has been preserved, the work of the Aerospace Forces is limited.

    You would shorten your tongue - an uneven hour - they will cut it off.
  31. Crisp
    Crisp 15 May 2022 19: 49
    -1
    Quote: Zoer
    And if this digital SDA is connected to a counter-battery with a radar?

    And if you connect a dynamo to you, then what good will that do? Both the battery and the radar must be mobile so as not to fall under the answer. To determine your own coordinates, to combine different iron is not to drag a field between a battalion and a regiment. We need a network, we need devices for interpreting between different elements, we need programs, and so on. Given the dynamics of development, these innovations fly into the trash in three to four years. not having time to infiltrate the troops and take root in the brains of the USE students. Who will train the army of specialists, how much will such an army cost? Given that the United States does not have a WORTHY non-nuclear enemy. Isn't it easier to send the coordinates via a cell phone (for example), and manually enter them into the aiming devices on the battery?
  32. Chater57
    Chater57 15 May 2022 20: 02
    0
    So that there are no disputes, we climb into Wiki
    "TTX M777[6]:
    Range:
    Maximum conventional shells: 24,7 km
    Maximum special projectiles: 30+ km
    Rate of fire:
    Intense: 5 shots per minute for up to 2 minutes
    Standard: 2 shots per minute
    Deployment:
    Deployment: <3 minutes
    Clotting: <2 minutes
    Limitations:
    Lift height: +1,275 mm
    Lowering height: −43 mm
    Traverse (carriage): 400 mm left and right (6,400 mm via QuickSwitch)
    Towing:
    Maximum towing speed: 88 km/h
    Cross-country speed: 24 km/h"
  33. Aist_M
    Aist_M 15 May 2022 20: 05
    +6
    , I read the comments of sofa experts about barrel wear, maintenance and the absence of some parts ....
    That fool on top is a ballistic radar. Determines the speed and trajectory of the projectile, for firing excaliburs (guided projectiles). It is used if there is no external, separate battery fire control radar. That is, if there is only one gun, and you need to make a shot with a guided projectile.
    If a battery of several guns is controlled by a specialist, then this fool stands next to him.
    The ballistic calculator and the fire control system are located on the right side of the gunner and on the left side of the loader in boxes on a bracket. All videos and photos show characteristic springs on which the devices in the box hang.
    According to NATO standards, everything is in the metric system, and if not, then you can switch it in the menu.
    An empty shield with round holes for instruments, this is a remote control of the generator to power the drives and guidance electronics. But it is also possible from batteries, which can be seen under the gun carriage. Therefore, the devices are not installed.
    Guys, it's all in the public domain! Yes, any gunner watching a video on YouTube will understand how it works, where is which device and what is it for!
    1. Ugochaves
      Ugochaves 16 May 2022 07: 03
      0
      Doesn't it bother you that the American army is in the photo? In the cart there were photos of the shooting by the Wuhans, so they do not have all the equipment.
      1. Aist_M
        Aist_M 16 May 2022 09: 07
        0
        There are a lot of videos on YouTube and how funny it is on tiktok, where exactly VSU shoots from this gun. The ballistic calculator and the fire control system are present everywhere, it is not removable. It's just that the box is sometimes closed with a cover. For direct fire (small angle of elevation of the barrel), they use a conventional, optical sight.
        I repeat once again, that box on top is a radar! If the gun is shot and hits with direct fire - it is not needed!
  34. smaug78
    smaug78 15 May 2022 20: 28
    0
    What news? What do we have? There are no such systems. Only cheers-traitors jump ...
  35. Aleksandr Ivanov
    Aleksandr Ivanov 15 May 2022 21: 01
    -1
    Scribe. So there were only 90 of them in the USA. Unredeemed Indian contract. They abandoned it, since the howitzer can crumble when fired. And the use of USA-made shells can lead to a barrel rupture.
    But this howitzer can use nuclear projectiles. Which the USA has to hell with. And it is not in vain that this howitzer was captured near Kharkov. Our entire grouping is under the possibility of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to deliver nuclear strikes. They passed the chemical protection check.
    1. ZAV69
      ZAV69 16 May 2022 01: 11
      0
      But no one will give them nuclear charges
      1. Aleksandr Ivanov
        Aleksandr Ivanov 16 May 2022 23: 05
        0
        Public opinion in Europe has been circulating for a month now that Russia can use nuclear weapons. When it is applied, then by the nature of the explosion you cannot tell whose it is. The Yusovites will slip a warhead, and the woodpeckers with the APU will use it. But they blame Russia.
        1. ZAV69
          ZAV69 17 May 2022 08: 35
          0
          For a month now, public opinion has been circulating in Europe that Russia can use nuclear weapons.

          When it blows, it will be clear to the Russian command where the firewood comes from without any public opinion. And where is the guarantee that the Russian command, without hesitation, will answer from everything that it has? And there is no such guarantee. No one wants to burn in thermonuclear fire
          1. Aleksandr Ivanov
            Aleksandr Ivanov 18 May 2022 12: 49
            0
            Plutonium found in Ukraine? Found. Is it so difficult to transfer one charge for a howitzer? In the event of an explosion, you cannot establish belonging. But Europe already knows that the Russians blew up the charge. There is no explosion, but they already know. Why is our Foreign Ministry not yelling to the whole world that these American howitzers can fire nuclear shells. Why ? And now we have a howitzer. So we have a charge. So the Russians used it. You can't prove it to the townsfolk if you don't pour it into their ears.
            1. ZAV69
              ZAV69 18 May 2022 18: 53
              0
              Apply in Russian. Where is the guarantee that poplars and yars will not fly in half an hour? And never mind what Europe knows there and pour into the ears of the layman. Applied ? Applied. You have to hit back. And so that the enemy is guaranteed to die. By the way, we also have something to shoot a nuclear projectile from. Yes, even with a tulip. Or little ones. They are in the troops and shoot.
    2. Normann
      Normann 16 May 2022 01: 29
      0
      Do you yourself believe in what you write? Will someone use nuclear weapons?))))
      1. Aleksandr Ivanov
        Aleksandr Ivanov 18 May 2022 12: 54
        -1
        Where do you get these from? Zelensky clearly said that he would use, if not nuclear weapons, then a dirty bomb. This is not enough.
        9 reactors have been operating unattended since February 24, 2022. According to experts , thorium munitions may appear as the fastest in production .
        1. Normann
          Normann 18 May 2022 18: 46
          0
          Here are people like you where they come from with their thorium ammunition)
  36. Rage66
    Rage66 15 May 2022 21: 06
    +1
    As far as I can see in the photo, the digital fire control system is in place ... Was it calculated again?
  37. senima56
    senima56 15 May 2022 21: 19
    -1
    "... they supplied Ukraine with 155-mm M777A2 howitzers without a digital fire control system ..." Well, that's right - anyone can shoot with a digital system! wassat But let them try without it! lol lol hi
  38. Tarasios
    Tarasios 15 May 2022 21: 22
    -1
    and amers do not need quick and accurate dill victories. They need a comprehensively exhausting bloody batch, with massive "collateral losses" among civilians, after which the reconciliation of Ukraine and Russia will be impossible. And after that, both Ukraine and Russia can be taken literally with bare hands.
    Hence the "simplification" of the supplied weapons
  39. Vavilov
    Vavilov 15 May 2022 21: 35
    -5
    not having an electronic component - a digital fire control system,

    do not want to share secrets with us laughing well, they keep secret with us, with ho.x. lmi behave like a pig
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 15 May 2022 22: 50
      0
      There, from the secrets of communication, only .. passwords, protocols.
  40. Makhno2022
    Makhno2022 15 May 2022 21: 46
    -1
    Quote: Skipper
    Well ... you have to pay for everything ... otherwise it’s the best ... and it weighs 4.2 tons against the Soviet 7-9 tons. So, for the sake of weight, fragility appeared .. in short, it will not last long in a dirty, harsh war. God forbid, they will start to fail and break en masse .. otherwise you will look at it there is just so much stuck on it .. the design is very complex ... and when the mechanism is complex, it breaks faster and more often.

    For that imporshnaya .... laughing
  41. revenge
    revenge 15 May 2022 21: 46
    +3
    I'm not a shooter, I'm a reactive, former. It is not possible to shoot accurately at 30 km without the current meteorological average, so they removed the extra equipment such as the SLA
  42. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 15 May 2022 22: 48
    +2
    So far no trophies are in sight.
  43. Dynamic systems
    Dynamic systems 16 May 2022 02: 14
    0
    What digital OMS ??? wassat
    Etozhzhzh u-k-r-s!!! request
  44. riwas
    riwas 16 May 2022 06: 16
    +2
    US supplied Ukraine with 155-mm M777A2 howitzers without digital fire control system

    Correctly. The main task of NATO is not only to inflict maximum damage on Russia, but also to ensure that Ukrainians and Russians kill each other as much as possible.
  45. certero
    certero 16 May 2022 08: 12
    0
    Quote: Timon2155
    And if you delve into it, this is a banal ballistic computer, nothing more. Yes, he can quickly interrogate sensors (air temperature, humidity, charge temperature, howitzer and target position, etc.) and enter all these adjustments for shooting. Yes, it improves accuracy.
    But why are you trying to belittle? The presence of such a block increases the accuracy of shooting by an order of magnitude. The main thing significantly increases the speed of opening fire. In addition, this block can receive coordinates from the control system, from the drone, and indeed from any structure. That is, the drone spotted the enemy immediately transmitted ready-made data to the battery for opening fire, and they immediately opened fire. Unfortunately, we don’t have anything like this yet, although at the exercises we were told about network-centric warfare.
  46. km-21
    km-21 16 May 2022 08: 52
    +1
    There is nothing secret in the American LMS. This is a conventional calculator that controls the aiming of the gun depending on the corrections. The main essence of the calculator's work is to provide intelligence that the Americans receive using the global battlefield monitoring system. But Ukrainians do not have access to this system and will not get it. Therefore, they do not need an on-board device. Accordingly, they will use conventional SLAs, which is also an effective means of firing.
    1. Aist_M
      Aist_M 16 May 2022 19: 10
      0
      In the video, where the Ukrainians fire from this cannon from a closed position, the sergeant dictates the coordinates to the gunner from a smartphone. And they got him a smartphone from the Pentagon, since they have the most modern 4G mobile Internet throughout the country. Therefore, although there is no access, there are exact coordinates of the target. And you should not count on the absence of any system in the gun.
  47. _simply
    _simply 16 May 2022 09: 32
    0
    If the Yankees did not equip the howitzers with this little thing, then it was meant to be. There was no need for it.
    1. isv000
      isv000 16 May 2022 15: 24
      0
      Quote: _simply
      If the Yankees did not equip the howitzers with this little thing, then it was meant to be. There was no need for it.

      What for? And so they will ruin, or sell ...
  48. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 16 May 2022 09: 45
    -1
    The main thing is to destroy warehouses with shells for howitzers. And then it will become a piece of iron.
  49. Altmann
    Altmann 16 May 2022 14: 03
    0
    Friends,
    Do you know how our artillery fires? At least it's good. try to write. am
  50. isv000
    isv000 16 May 2022 15: 23
    0
    US supplied Ukraine with 155-mm M777A2 howitzers without digital fire control system

    Fool glass bolt not for long ...