His Majesty Mortar

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A mortar is simple and difficult at the same time. Actually, this is the most amazing thing. weaponinvented by mankind. Why? Because it is fundamentally terribly simple, but very effective.

What is a classic mortar: base plate, barrel, bipod and sight. Cheap, simple and very angry. Moreover, from his debut (mass, I mean) in the First World War to our times, more than a hundred years have passed. Airplanes became airplanes, moreover, jet, rifles became automatic, heavy machine guns, MLRS, tactical and cruise missiles, and nuclear weapons appeared.



A mortar, sorry, as if dropped out of civilization. And, not knowing that the development of weapons thought goes further and further, continues to collect bloody tribute around the world. During the Second World War, according to some studies, it was the mortar that accounted for about 50% of the loss of manpower. Half. And the second half is on the conscience of all the rest of the weapons, guns, bombs, riflemen.

In essence, the mortar is a very strange phenomenon. It is even classified differently in different armies.

But the name of the mortar is Legion. Because it is many and varied.


Rifled and smooth-bore mortars, muzzle and treasury loaded, portable, towed and self-propelled, automatic and manually loaded. And there are also howitzer mortars ("Nona"), mortars can (and should) include automatic grenade launchers and even underbarrel grenade launchers.

All of them have one thing in common: mounted fire on a parabola, moreover, steeper than that of the same howitzers. Mortar, because it was from the mortar that the mortar originated.

His Majesty Mortar

The only ones that should not be classified as mortars are the Katyusha Guards mortars of all models, since they are not mortars at all, but very much even MLRS.

In general, only a description of all types, subspecies and special cases of mortars is worthy of an entire article. But today our goal is to answer the question about the relevance of this not very young (considering mortar ancestors) and not at all technological type of weapon.

In the conditions of modern warfare, the mortar generally sparkled with new colors in full. All eight years from the Donbass, only news of mortar attacks was coming. No, they used both artillery and MLRS, but not in such quantities.

The answer is simple: the mortar is not only cheap to manufacture, because it does not require any sophisticated electronics or expensive alloys, it has other advantages. The mortar is as mobile as possible. Small-caliber mortars can easily be carried or transported in vehicles that are completely unsuitable for this. Large calibers are able to move small commercial trucks, which are available in all countries or all-wheel drive pickups that have been loved since the Afghan war.


Therefore, today the use of a mortar can be clearly divided into two parts: military and sabotage. With the use of a mortar in the troops, everything is clear, we will deal with the sabotage part a little later.

A light design for the military is a godsend, because even a small tactical group (from 8-12 to 20 fighters) can be significantly strengthened by mortars that play the role of artillery.

The hinged parabolic flight path of the mine allows you to hit the enemy at the minimum close (from 100-150 meters) distances. Naturally, this is for small-caliber mortars. For large calibers, this distance, of course, is greater, but still, the mortar is capable of hitting the enemy “in front of it”.

Of course, artillery pieces shoot much further. But precisely because of the design features of artillery pieces, both guns and howitzers, fire at close range is far from being for all guns.

In this regard, the mortar is simply gorgeous: uneven terrain, urban development, the need to fire from a lowland at targets on a hill and vice versa are not a problem for it. A mortar can throw a mine even on a reverse slope of a hill or into a shelter. An experienced gunner, as practice in Chechnya has shown, is not difficult to throw (even if not on the first try) a mine through the window of a multi-storey building.

Another nuance: an artillery mine is a tricky thing. Since she does not need to fly 30-40 km, the main part of her weight is the warhead. A powder charge throws a mine from the barrel to a height, then it uses the force of gravity, and it does it well like that. If we calculate the high-explosive impact of a mine with a caliber of 120 mm, it turns out that it is more powerful than a 152-155 mm projectile. Yes, she cannot fly to the distance of the projectile, but it is not particularly required.


Fire on the territory of the Azovstal plant is carried out from the Russian 240-mm self-propelled mortar 2S4 ("Tulip")

So - close range, hampered by terrain or buildings, the ability to shoot from the bottom up, and most importantly - mobility - these are the main trump cards of the mortar. Plus the rate of fire, 10-15 for models with manual loading and up to 120 for the automatic "Cornflower".

A very important point: the mortar is able to ensure the surprise of a fire raid and a quick retreat. The translation of the same 2B11 is done by an experienced calculation in 1,5-2 minutes, practically without giving the enemy the opportunity to detect where the fire is coming from. But even if they were able to see the fire raid, in order for the “response” to arrive, time must pass.

We look. Quietly and imperceptibly, it is possible at night (NVD to help) a couple of vehicles advance to pre-observed positions, so that between them and the targets there would be a forest behind which you can hide, mortars roll out of the bodies, are installed, fire 10-15 shots, they roll back into the bodies and at full speed the crews go home.


How long will it take from the moment the cars stop to the start of movement? 10 minutes. Will this time be enough for the opposite side to determine the coordinates and strike back? Usually not, because the countdown starts from the moment the first mine explodes, by which time the rest are already in the air, and the crews are chugging, pushing the mortars back into the cars.

Not a single towed artillery piece will provide such a speed. And self-propelled guns like 2S1M1 "Carnation" or MLRS BM-21 "Grad" cannot shoot closer than 4 km. Plus, "Grad", of course, unmasks itself with the very first shot.

Yes, the new 2M34 Khosta self-propelled howitzer can fire at least 1,8 km, this is a decent indicator, but the Khosta is tomorrow, and the mortar is already there.

In relation to the situation described, many will say that the bicycle has already been invented, and this is Nona. Yes, the Nona, which is a versatile hybrid of howitzer and mortar, is simply a chic thing. And he can lay a mine half a kilometer away, and the calculation / crew is protected at least from bullets and fragments, and the speed is quite decent.

But if you estimate how many mortars can be made from the metal that goes to the construction of one Nona, it becomes clear why Nonas are not so common in the armed forces, when compared with conventional mortars. The cost of a self-propelled mortar is not much inferior to the cost of a howitzer, and sometimes exceeds it.


Therefore, from my point of view, the height of ingenuity was a self-propelled mortar originally from the Donbass: a garbage truck with a Cornflower installed in the back. I don’t know who first came up with it, the militias or the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but the thing turned out to be lethal if you close your eyes to the stench.

The body of the garbage truck is very durable, in no way inferior to the same Nona. The review and sector of fire is quite decent. "KamAZ" on three axles and two bridges is quite passable and fast. The calculation in the cockpit is placed quite normally. What more do you want?


So in 2015, both sides of the confrontation delivered trouble to each other precisely with the help of such machines.

But a mortar, even if not 120 mm, but 82 mm, placed disassembled in a civilian station wagon can cause a lot of trouble. Precisely by the fact that it can be brought up to a firing distance (3-4 km for the same 2B14 "Tray"), shoot back and just as quickly take away. What is 42 kg of mortar weight? And fifty minutes.

If we talk about today's realities, then this, quite possibly, awaits us in the very near future. A quiet approach to the border area by representatives of Ukraine, the shooting of mines in settlements and the same quick withdrawal back. That is, what was demonstrated in the Belgorod region, when the oil storage of the Borisov plant of bridge structures was fired from grenade launchers. All the same can be arranged with the help of mortars, firing a certain number of mines at settlements.

This will not cause much harm if we talk about 82-mm mines. 120-mm mines are already much more serious, but here it is not so much material damage that is more important than the possible loss of life. Plus morale. The shelling of the Russian territory of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which, according to reports, is already close to being left without equipment.

But after the next regroupings, Grad shells began to arrive in the Belgorod region, so it’s too early to talk about mortars and sabotage groups.

For such terrorist activities, the mortar is no worse than the Grad. The spread of mines is very decent, so 120-mm at a maximum distance of 8-9 km gives a spread in a circle with a diameter of up to 140 meters. It will only be possible to destroy something thanks to a decent number of shots. And here is another point: an artillery mine is a very cheap tool for causing damage.

A mortar is a very inaccurate weapon, let's put it this way: it is maximally adapted for working in areas. If we take some hypothetical settlement, then for a mobile terror group it will not matter at all whether there are military or only civilians there. The released mines will still do their job. The mortar will perfectly destroy buildings, engineering structures, roads, and other infrastructure facilities. The result will be obvious.

The only drawback of such an operation is the small number of mines that each individual calculation can take and safely use. Precise work is still not for a mortar, although ...

The Americans, for example, came up with the Precision Guidance Kit technology, thanks to which conventional projectiles become significantly "smarter" and begin to look like precision weapons. Their XM395 mine, which is guided by a precision positioning system, gives a spread of 5-10 meters, which is simply magical result for an artillery mine.

The price, however, is also magical. The cost of one 120-mm XM395 mine is about 10 thousand dollars. Of course, Excalibur cannot be compared with a smart projectile, it is also quite a lot. After all, the mine is equipped not only with a positioning unit, but also with a control unit with thrusters. But XM395 allows you to hit the target with 1-2 mines instead of the usual 8-10.

But these are not our realities. We will have ahead of us the task of catching mobile terror groups that will continue to fire at border settlements with the help of mortars.

Total: highly mobile, cheap to manufacture and maintain weapons, with cheap ammunition. These are pluses.


The cons are really few. The main one is accuracy. The pros clearly outweigh, which means that the mortar will not leave the stage for a very long time. Moreover, not those newfangled inventions that the leading arms manufacturers in the world are engaged in, which I deliberately kept silent. We are talking about the same pipe with a tray and the most simple sight, which allows you to send an artillery mine with a high-explosive fragmentation warhead flying towards the target along a parabola.

As the confrontation in the Donbass, Syria and the outbreak of hostilities in Ukraine showed, the mortar will not soon become an irrelevant means of defeating the enemy’s manpower. "The King is dead" we will hear very soon.
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  1. -1
    16 May 2022 04: 00
    Thanks to the author for the article.
    There are still a lot of interesting properties of the mortar, information about which you will not find on the Internet, but for this you can write another article.
    1. +3
      16 May 2022 04: 59
      The cons are really few.
      Especially the mortar "Hammer" feel !
      1. 0
        18 July 2022 22: 43
        Mortar, a miracle of technology. It is what it is. Brilliant simplicity.
        And the author - so, an empty place. Nothing!
    2. +6
      16 May 2022 07: 46
      Switchblade can be considered a relative of the mortar?
      After all, the launcher looks like a mortar
      1. +14
        16 May 2022 09: 10
        Why be petty? R-36M - mortar for all mortars))
      2. 0
        16 May 2022 09: 49
        A relative - it is impossible, but an alternative - it is possible. The principle of operation is different, the mass-dimensional characteristics are comparable. Loitering ammunition is better suited for sabotage / attack, mortar - for defense.
        1. +4
          16 May 2022 09: 56
          Quote: Proctologist
          Loitering ammunition is better suited for sabotage / attack, mortar - for defense.

          The author of the article mentions sabotage mortars, right?

          Is the Switchblade designed just for saboteurs?
        2. +1
          16 May 2022 22: 29
          The mortar is suitable for any combat activity of the unit. Any. Like an automatic for example.
      3. +1
        17 May 2022 17: 00
        Well, then this is a mortar! laughing
    3. +11
      16 May 2022 07: 51
      I don’t know why, but we forgot about the 160-mm mortar, it is especially relevant now during the assault on the fortifications and Azovstal, in terms of destructive power like an air bomb, simple to disgrace, cheap, they should have remained in storage!
      1. +2
        16 May 2022 19: 59
        Quote: 73bor
        I don’t know why, but we forgot about the 160-mm mortar, it is especially relevant now during the assault on the fortifications and Azovstal, in terms of destructive power like an air bomb, simple to disgrace, cheap, they should have remained in storage!

        There are 240mm Tulips.
        1. +1
          18 May 2022 01: 10
          There is also a daredevil mine for him! Only an expensive thing loses in rate of fire, and generally a little for other purposes!
  2. -1
    16 May 2022 04: 07
    Yeah what videos of the defeat of civilians in settlements came from Syria ... a very unpleasant thing.
    Interestingly, it is possible to launch loitering ammunition from mortars?
    The idea is generally interesting ... put the coordinates of the object into the ammunition program and fired in its direction ... then he himself is looking for a way to it on the tip of the program.
    1. +1
      16 May 2022 22: 30
      And what to look for, since there are coordinates?
  3. +1
    16 May 2022 04: 12
    So what is the way to deal with nomadic mortars? UAV in the air on a permanent basis? With a pair of air-to-surface missiles?
    1. 0
      16 May 2022 05: 19
      Such an unmanned AWACS has been asking for a long time.
    2. +6
      16 May 2022 14: 04
      UAV in the air on a permanent basis? With a pair of air-to-surface missiles?

      It is foolish to chase flies if there is a garbage dump under the windows. It's easier to take out the trash. The Americans do not follow the tactics imposed by the terrorists (and a truck with a mortar on the building is exactly that). They smash the capital, change the chief Fuhrer. And he himself, with passion and zeal, exterminates the "freedom fighters" with the help of the other half of the "fighters for justice."
    3. +2
      16 May 2022 21: 08
      Quote: Trunk
      So what is the way to deal with nomadic mortars?

      Artillery radar, or sound-optical complex. It takes about 5 seconds to get the coordinates of a single target. And the UAV is useful for control or finishing if suddenly someone has time to dream.
  4. 0
    16 May 2022 04: 13
    Now the Americans have begun deliveries of their 60-mm mortars to Ukraine. They are even cheaper and more compact and can be supplied in very large quantities. This could be a problem.
    Moreover, our army does not have such compact and light mortars. The 50-mm mortar caliber was rejected during the Second World War, both by the Red Army and the Wehrmacht.
    1. +2
      16 May 2022 05: 21
      During the war, they were not enthusiastic about 82 mm either. All small things were abandoned in favor of AGSs and grenade launchers.
    2. +6
      16 May 2022 05: 36
      Ukraine has its own 60-mm mortar for special forces KBA118 "Kamerton"
      https://topwar.ru/150156-bogi-vojny-na-donbasse-chast-2-karmannaja-artillerija.html
      The DPR also produces its own 60mm mortar
      https://topwar.ru/141808-sobstvennoe-oruzhie-donbassa.html
      1. 0
        16 May 2022 06: 06
        But this is in meager amounts. And the US can supply them by the hundreds, if not thousands.
    3. +5
      16 May 2022 06: 39
      In the new American 60-mm mortars, mines equipped with explosives of increased power are used, which are not inferior in efficiency to 81-mm ones.
    4. -1
      16 May 2022 22: 37
      The military frown at 122 mm, go to 152 mm, where is 60 mm? It's not worth spending on the blower.
  5. +3
    16 May 2022 05: 23
    The author forgot or did not know that there is a "Veselchak" to increase the accuracy of fire. Not for all cases, of course.
    1. +2
      16 May 2022 09: 31
      Quote: andrewkor
      The author forgot or did not know that there is a "Veselchak" to increase the accuracy of fire.

      So "Kitolov" exists and the guided mine KM-8 "Gran" created on its basis ...
  6. +6
    16 May 2022 05: 29
    About the use of mortars in the city.
    The mortar can shoot through buildings due to the fact that the mine falls vertically. Throw in a drone for adjustment and the mortar can hit a target through the building from the other side of the building. Of course, it would be better to use a larger caliber - 160 mm, according to the experience of fighting in Syria. 240 mm is also suitable, but its rate of fire is significantly less. During the Second World War, mortars were used to fire at the upper floors of buildings, the mine exploded in the upper part of the trajectory.
    1. +2
      16 May 2022 09: 30
      Quote: riwas
      The mortar can shoot through buildings due to the fact that the mine falls vertically.

      Rather, along a steep parabolic trajectory
    2. +1
      16 May 2022 12: 37
      Add drone here

      For me, this is the future development of a very effective weapon (judging by events). If you create modules (with software for calculation and adjustment, working synchronously and in real time) that will be on both the drone and the mortar! Then a cheap mortar will turn into
      mobile high-precision weapons even for the smallest units! And most importantly, not expensive!
      1. 0
        16 May 2022 22: 44
        There is a mine dispersion limit, which program. collateral do not go. And the mortar man doesn’t care what the UAV sees. Shoots battery commander or another officer. He needs a video of the target and breaks.
  7. +9
    16 May 2022 05: 39
    A mortar is a very inaccurate weapon, let's put it this way: it is maximally adapted for working in areas.

    It depends on what kind of mortar. To improve the accuracy of shooting, the barrels of modern mortars are often made rifled. For example, an American 106,7 mm (24 grooves in the barrel) mortar M30 (vertical angle of the barrel 45-65 degrees) or a French 120 mm (a mine has a belt with "ready" grooves) mortar MO-120-RT-61 (vertical angle pointing the barrel 30-85 degrees). For the latter, the French mortar, the mine is made in the form of an artillery projectile, which, compared to the traditional, drop-shaped mine, has a large amount of explosive.
    https://bukren.my1.ru/publ/ware/minomet_w/2-1-0-65
    1. 0
      16 May 2022 22: 51
      The author is wrong. And the smoothbore mortar is a very accurate weapon. For single goals, it works very well. For a machine gun cell, for example, 7-8 min 82 mm is enough.
  8. +11
    16 May 2022 05: 46
    The Americans, for example, came up with the Precision Guidance Kit technology, thanks to which conventional projectiles become significantly "smarter" and begin to look like precision weapons. Their XM395 mine, which is guided by a precision positioning system, gives a spread of 5-10 meters, which is simply magical result for an artillery mine.

    Not only. Anti-tank mines hit armored vehicles in the most vulnerable upper part, where the armor is thinnest. At the moment, several mines with seeker have been developed and are in service in the world. The most famous anti-tank mines are: 81-mm "Merlin" with the MMV radar seeker (Great Britain, firing range 4,5 km) and 120-mm "Strix" with IR seeker (Sweden, firing range 7,5 km with an additional charge). The Russian unitary enterprise Design Bureau of Instrument Engineering has developed a 120-mm high-explosive fragmentation mine with a laser guidance system of the Gran complex, which has a laser-thermal imaging sight. Russia also has a 120-mm mine "Kitolov-2M" in service with a similar guidance system. There is a 240-mm "Daredevil".
    https://topwar.ru/25808-upravlyaemye-boepripasy-kitolov-2-i-kitolov-2m.html?
    https://bukren.my1.ru/publ/ware/asimm_otvet_1/2-1-0-82
    https://topwar.ru/18181-korrektiruemye-snaryady.html?
    1. +5
      16 May 2022 08: 04
      Quote: riwas
      81-mm "Merlin" with radar seeker

      Why was the 120-mm "Griffin" with a radar seeker not mentioned? In Germany, at one time they worked a lot on guided 120-mm mines ... Even in Ukraine, they developed 2 samples of mines ...: 1.120-mm laser-guided mine; 2. 50-mm mine "Black Woodpecker" with television guidance ... By the way, "Kitolov-2M" is in 122-mm caliber and is designed for 122-mm D-30 howitzers! For "Nona" there is a 120-mm "Kitolov-2" ...
  9. +1
    16 May 2022 06: 30
    I'm afraid to seem narrow-minded, but what prevents you from making self-propelled mortars based on the BMP-1, of which there are a great many at storage bases?
    1. Fat
      +2
      16 May 2022 07: 43
      It doesn't make any practical sense. New combat modules are now being installed on the storage BMP 1, if necessary, and the mortar can be transported in the troop compartment. request
    2. +9
      16 May 2022 08: 48
      I heard that only light mortars can be placed on unequipped equipment just like that. About staging something whiter or less decent "knocks out the bottom" or bends the roof. In general, you need to upgrade, direct installation does not roll.
    3. +1
      16 May 2022 22: 16
      The base is rather weak ... They welded a plate from the "Tray" to the roof of the hull .... after a dozen shots, cracks appeared in the metal.
  10. +2
    16 May 2022 07: 19
    Only now invented not by mankind, but by Russians.
  11. +8
    16 May 2022 08: 33
    1.Yes, the new 2M34 Khosta self-propelled howitzer can fire at least 1,8 km, this is a decent indicator, but the Khosta is tomorrow, and the mortar is already there.
    2M34? Why dont know ? 2S34 "Hosta" - I know! By the way, "Hosta" has been produced somewhere since the early 2000s ... so this is not a novelty! And there were not so many of them! (Some shortcomings were revealed during operation ... It seems to be swinging strongly during firing!)
    2. Therefore, from my point of view, the height of ingenuity was a self-propelled mortar originally from the Donbass: a garbage truck with a Cornflower installed in the back. I don’t know who first came up with it, the militias or the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but the thing turned out to be lethal if you close your eyes to the stench.
    What stink? They sho ... mortar with household waste to disguise? belay And if you wash ... the body? what By the way, they began to carry "Cornflowers" in the bodies of "Kamazov" and on the hulls of infantry fighting vehicles, and shoot from them back in Afghanistan in the 80s!
    3. For some reason, 82-mm mines are spoken of disparagingly ... "But life came up with new songs"! Mines of increased power have already been created: 60-mm mines in terms of efficiency approaching 82-mm mines ("old") and 82-mm mines - to 120-mm mines! But in general, the author is right ... you can still talk and talk about mortars and mines!
    1. 0
      16 May 2022 11: 25
      By the way, "Hosta" has been produced somewhere since the early 2000s ... so this is not a novelty

      State. tests of "Khosta" and its upgraded version 2S34-1 ended somewhere in the mid-2010s.
      What you are talking about "the beginning of the 2000s" in conjunction with "It seems to be swinging strongly during the shooting" makes me believe that you are talking about "Vienna". Hosta did not have these shortcomings.
      1. +3
        16 May 2022 11: 53
        Here is what I read from Ryabova Kirill... :
        The development assignment was issued in 2003. The development of the 2S34 project was completed by 2008. Shortly thereafter, Motovilikha Plants, together with some related enterprises, began the production of new equipment. After some time, the new combat vehicles went to the test, and then were handed over to the troops for verification during operation. Military tests were carried out by a self-propelled artillery battery of the 1st motorized rifle battalion of the 21st separate motorized rifle brigade (Orenburg region).

        The high hopes were pinned on the new self-propelled gun. It was expected that the equipment of the spent chassis with a new combat compartment with a universal weapon would significantly increase the combat potential of artillery units. However, in the course of military tests, some serious shortcomings of the resulting machine were revealed. The main ones were associated with the used chassis. In the autumn of 2012, it became known that the design approach with the extensive use of ready-made units had an effect on the real characteristics of the Khosta AO.

        According to the domestic press, the new self-propelled gun during the tests showed insufficient stability and rate of fire. So, due to the use of the old chassis, which was developed without taking into account the features of the new weapon, the Khosta Joint-Stock Company was swinging during firing with high elevation angles, which affected the accuracy of the fire. Similar problems were mainly observed when shooting in the “mortar” mode, since the recoil in this case is higher and has its own specifics of distribution over the machine’s units.

        Insufficient chassis stability also affected the rate of fire. Due to the need for new amendments and difficulties with loading the gun in a swinging vehicle, during the tests it was possible to fire at a rate of no more than 3-4 rounds per minute.



        It was reported that because of the identified problems, the Ministry of Defense is not planning to buy new self-propelled 2C34 self-propelled guns. As a solution to the existing problem, the development of a new version of the machine based on a different chassis, providing the required stability during firing, was called. However, as far as is known, the “Hosts” option has not yet been created on the new chassis.

        To date, according to various sources, at least 50 2S34 Khosta self-propelled artillery pieces have been built. This technique was transferred to various units of the ground forces, where it is still in operation. From time to time, such combat vehicles take part in various exercises.

        Information about further purchases of such equipment is not yet available. Thus, the gradual replacement of the existing self-propelled guns "Gvozdika", planned in the first half of the last decade, is still postponed indefinitely. Nevertheless, even in such a situation, the ground forces were able to obtain new equipment with sufficiently high performance, although not fully satisfactory to the military. Perhaps in the near future the problem with an insufficiently stable chassis will be resolved, which will allow the construction and supply of full-fledged self-propelled guns that fully meet the requirements to begin.
        1. 0
          16 May 2022 12: 34
          In no case do I want to challenge the authority of K. Ryabov in matters of artillery weapons on the pages of "VO", but according to the information I have, the letter "O1" of the documentation for the 2S34-1 "Khosta" self-propelled artillery gun was assigned only in March 2015 year (i.e., R&D for its creation could not be completed earlier than this date).
          Actually, the original terms of reference for the implementation of the R & D "Dilema", within the framework of which the SAO 2S34 was developed, provided for the completion of work only in 2010. Do you know a lot of works completed by our industry just in time?
  12. -4
    16 May 2022 08: 38
    Well, there are really a lot of interesting things with mortars.
    Well, firstly, unlike mortars, a purely siege, and very expensive weapon, if, for example, we recall the monsters in the Civil War in the USA, the mortar was invented as an ersatz of a serf weapon, cheap, according to the principle of the need for inventions is cunning, in Port Aptur. Moreover, anti-personnel, in what form it is used. First of all, and from the moment of its inception to the present.
    Secondly, that Ukraine managed to do the impossible - to make an ersatz, which, by definition, is of poor quality, so make an ersatz ersatz Hammer laughing
    Well, it’s completely in vain that their separate direction is not mentioned - low-noise mortars for DRGs, which in general will soon be a hundred years old ...
  13. +4
    16 May 2022 09: 53
    A mortar in capable hands, this is a killer thing! And it’s very, very unpleasant to get under his fire ... brrrr ... at one time, without any UAVs, skillful hands laid mines in urban areas, it was a pleasure to watch ...
    Well, according to the memoirs of veterans, German 6-barreled mortars were very very effective.
    1. +9
      16 May 2022 10: 00
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      German 6 barrel mortars

      "German 6 barrel mortars" are MLRS! Like the "rocket mortars" BM-13 (Katyusha)!
      1. 0
        16 May 2022 10: 04
        Well, rather yes .. You are right, but all the time they were called mortars .. but nevertheless, this thing drank a lot of blood to our grandfathers
        1. +4
          16 May 2022 10: 58
          In the Second World War, they used some kind of "stuff", which, in my opinion, was rightfully called "reactive mines"! These are German high-explosive 280 mm Wk Spreng u incendiary 320 mm Wk Flat...

          Later, a "unified" 300-mm mine appeared ... On the basis of captured reactive mines, 280-mm M-28 and 320-mm M-30 were produced in Leningrad ...
          Actually, such RSs were also used from "multiple-charged" MLRS-type installations ...

          But there is infa that they were used sometimes and "single-shot"!
          In the DPR, they made "single-shot" installations "Kitaets" with 300-mm "reactive mines"!
          Here, on the one hand, rockets ... and on the other, why not rocket mines, and the installation is not a "rocket mortar"? fellow
          1. +4
            16 May 2022 11: 12
            Sometimes our rockets flew away with such frames,
            1. Fat
              +1
              16 May 2022 18: 22
              Aha Yes , my father told me, he worked with prisoners of war as an interpreter - russische häuser werfen - Russians throw houses ...
  14. 0
    16 May 2022 09: 56
    proposed use case
    Quietly and imperceptibly, it is possible at night (NVD to help) a couple of vehicles advance to pre-observed positions, so that between them and the targets there would be a forest behind which you can hide, mortars roll out of the bodies, are installed, fire 10-15 shots, they roll back into the bodies and at full speed the crews go home.
    implies an unequal enemy, who, of course, has neither night vision devices, nor, moreover, drones with thermal imagers. "Lest" - and no problem, we catch the adversary by surprise!

    ...does this remind me of something?
    1. 0
      16 May 2022 10: 02
      This is terrorism ...... and so, in urban battles, and even with a copter and with conventional mines - a terrible weapon.
    2. 0
      16 May 2022 23: 03
      And what is the meaning of such shooting? Spoil the night rest of the enemy? A pair of trunks for 10-15 minutes? Not seriously. You don't need to make a journal entry. DBs without the participation of the infantry have no meaning.
  15. +2
    16 May 2022 10: 01
    We fired at the shooting range with the "Vasilek" 82mm ... a terrible weapon, but for some reason it is not visible in recent conflicts. Removed from service?
    1. +1
      16 May 2022 10: 06
      It works and very well)) I don’t really like Cornflower flowers from a certain point)))
    2. +4
      16 May 2022 10: 27
      As far as I know, they were not removed from service ... although they are no longer producing "They are wearing out" what is available! (Once there was an attempt to make a self-propelled 120-mm mortar "Astra" with a 6-round "drum" in the likeness ... development was stopped, it was not accepted into service!)
      1. +1
        16 May 2022 10: 36
        Then attempts to make 40mm AGS, then 57mm .....
    3. +1
      16 May 2022 11: 27
      No, there are some more. But in the "perspective image of the Russian army" at one time they did not see it, therefore they do not produce it and do not supply new ones in wax.
      1. +3
        16 May 2022 12: 25
        in general, it’s stupid .... There is an 82mm mine ... serial ....
  16. +11
    16 May 2022 11: 53
    Roman sometimes makes strange statements:
    If we calculate the high-explosive impact of a mine with a caliber of 120 mm, it turns out that it is more powerful than a 152-155 mm projectile.

    Why did it happen? what
    A 120-mm high-explosive fragmentation mine for a 2B11 mortar weighs 16,8 kg and is equipped with 3,43 kg of explosives. The 122-mm howitzer OFS weighs 21,76 kg and is equipped with 3,67 kg of explosives. The 152-mm OFS for the D-20 gun-howitzer weighs 43,56 kg and contains 5,86 kg of TNT.

    Thus, the assertion of a respected author that a 120-mm mine is superior in explosive effect to a 152-mm projectile does not hold water. Another question is that when a 120-mm mortar mine is detonated when the fuse is set to instantaneous action, compared to a 122-mm projectile, in most cases a more uniform and dense fragmentation field is formed, but there is no superiority in high-explosive action. In terms of damaging fragmentation and high-explosive action, the 152-mm projectile significantly exceeds the 120-mm mine.
    1. +3
      16 May 2022 12: 39
      Completely agree with you. And you can also remember that more modern 152-mm shells for 2S19 (2A65) contain even more explosives and this is by no means TNT smile
      1. 0
        16 May 2022 23: 24
        Look at when they were made. In wartime, even TNT is mixed with cheap amonal ...
        1. +3
          17 May 2022 00: 43
          It seems superfluous to mention wartime. Everything that could explode after it flew to the target was used there, at least with a 50% probability. Back in the 2000s, I shot mines marked "Sh" from the "Tray" - schneiderite 1944.
          But we are not talking about surrogates, but about modern serial production, right?
          1. 0
            17 May 2022 11: 23
            Yes it is. And in this serial production, hexogen is not poured. TNT is our everything :)
            1. 0
              17 May 2022 16: 50
              Well, here you are wrong.
              TNT in its pure form is absent in modern 120-mm mines.
              The most common mines of the index 53-OF-843B, as well as OF5, equipped with radio fuses, carry 1,4 kg (OF5 - 1,25 kg) TD-50 - a mixture of TNT and dinitronaphthalene in a ratio of 50:50. They can also be equipped with ammothol (60 or 20% TNT and, respectively, 40 or 80% ammonium nitrate).
              The 3OF36 high-explosive fragmentation mine made of ductile iron is equipped with 3,16 kg of the TA-80 composition - a mixture of TNT (80%) with aluminum powder (20%).
              Well, the most powerful of the 120-mm mines - high-explosive fragmentation steel 3OF34 is equipped with 3,43 kg of A-IX-2 hexal - the same phlegmatized hexogen with aluminum powder.
              And yes, hexal is not poured, unlike TNT. Equipment is produced by batch pressing.
              1. 0
                20 May 2022 00: 27
                That's it. How many substitutes, all to reduce the cost. And hexal is charged 1 out of 50 minutes. And only she can pull 152 mm. Unless, of course, that one is on Amatole ...
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      0
      16 May 2022 15: 50
      Colleague, the use of specific numbers and operating with them betrays in you a person who is closely familiar with the topic, I have a question (I myself am a naval officer, I only saw mortars in pictures) are there fuses for mines in service with the RA, similar to the American M734? Yes, this is for a 60-mm mortar, we have the smallest 82.
      It allows you to produce 4 different types of detonation, from a height of 4 meters, about a meter from the surface, on the surface and with a delay of half a second. I don’t know how reliably it performs its functions, but it definitely expands the possibilities for hitting the enemy, even if it works every other time.
      As enemy votes write Unit cost: $230 (Fiscal Year 2005).
      Where is our "answer to Chamberlain" at least for 120mm?
    3. +5
      16 May 2022 17: 35
      No ... not strange statements he makes: he is most likely talking nonsense and she squeals, but it normal. You get used to everything.
      Therefore, from my point of view, the height of ingenuity was a self-propelled mortar originally from the Donbass: a garbage truck with a Cornflower installed in the back. I don’t know who first came up with it, the militias or the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but the thing turned out to be lethal if you close your eyes to the stench.

      That is, neither "Nona", nor "Vienna", nor "AMOS", nor any collapsible mountain mortar for donkey traction ... Garbage truck! The rest was read with a tired smile...
      The body of the garbage truck is very durable, in no way inferior to the same Nona.

      It is durable if you carry garbage in it (in this it even surpasses Nona), i.e. subjected to a load close to static. And the return here is about how to throw 5-6 tons vertically into the center of the body and remove it almost instantly. This is not a 6-7 roller caterpillar. This is different. A suspension of 1-2 axles (the brand of the garbage truck is not indicated) under the body can say "oh!" Therefore, artillery with large VN angles is put at least on armored personnel carriers (without special recoil-absorbing devices - you can push them onto the Hammer with them). A mortar can theoretically be transported even in a trash can, even in a dump truck, even in a tank. But this does not mean that it is necessary to shoot from there. This is not a rocket in a tubular guide, here the barrel is "loaded" and with its closed end it hammers into the support with the same force as it throws the mine.
      The cons are really few.

      But they follow logically from the poles: cheap/easy? Get ready to bring mines with trucks and pray to the "god of randomness". Not enough metal goes to the barrel? There is no pressure - cannon range and accuracy cannot be seen like your own ears. And we are in control ... Then "cheap / simple" will not work and you will have to compete in another league: with drones, grenade launchers and anti-tank systems. And far from everything, the classic mortar will "overcome". Why is this praise necessary?
      1. 0
        16 May 2022 23: 29
        Less pressure when shooting does not spoil the accuracy, quite the contrary.
  17. +5
    16 May 2022 12: 01
    If we calculate the high-explosive impact of a mine with a caliber of 120 mm, it turns out that it is more powerful than a 152-155 mm projectile.

    Oh, these writers.
    1. +5
      16 May 2022 12: 57
      I, as someone involved in some way, always want to exclaim - "Well, do the math! And I'll be happy to look at the results of the calculations and especially at their process" lol
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  19. 0
    16 May 2022 20: 32
    And why only about the Americans? And how did our mine "Fringe" prove itself?
    1. +1
      16 May 2022 23: 51
      Quote: Bogatyrev
      And how did our mine "Fringe" prove itself?

      And what recommendations can receive what, practically, is not present? In 2021, it was said that "before the end of 2021, state tests of two types of weapons will be completed: the 152-mm Krasnopol-M2 artillery projectile and the 120-mm Gran mine ...! Until the end of 2021! A when did the SVO start? test results...
  20. +2
    16 May 2022 22: 25
    The start is not bad, clearly labeling the benefits. Further, unfortunately - a lot of inaccuracies. Lot.
  21. 0
    2 July 2022 07: 41
    Nizhny Novgorod "Petrel" 5 years ago developed 82mm with a silent shot. To produce ten thousand pieces. I really like the company mortar 40mm 1941 onwards, but in the current silent version from the Balkan grenade launcher.
  22. -1
    10 July 2022 21: 57
    "Machine guns have become large-caliber." Come on? Each caliber has its own task. "Charged from the muzzle." - no comment.
  23. 0
    20 July 2022 19: 14
    It seems to me that cannon artillery will largely lose its relevance as soon as the industry masters cheap inertial or GLONASS type guidance heads. Like those that are screwed in instead of standard fuses for ordinary mines and nurses. In the end, a small car or a buggy with several guides from Grad is much simpler and cheaper than a howitzer with a tractor. And the possibility of an instant change of positions, a distributed firing position and a non-ballistic projectile trajectory will make counter-battery combat almost impossible.
  24. 0
    24 July 2022 20: 38
    and the crews are puffing, pushing the mortars back into the cars ....
    how many mortars can be made from the metal that goes to the construction of one Nona, it becomes clear why Nonas are not so common in the armed forces ... The cost of a self-propelled mortar is not much inferior to the cost of a howitzer, and sometimes even exceeds it.

    maybe it’s enough to measure everything with loot - maybe it’s time to think about people ...
    tired of these adherents "cheap and cheerful" ...
    it was they who created what is now called the Vsrf ...
    and here is the Spanish version, according to the principle "inexpensive for people and angrily", 120 mm mortar Alakran