Polish jet fighters of the first generation

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In the first post-war years, the air defense units of the Polish Army were equipped with Soviet-made equipment and weapons, and copied the structure of the Soviet army. In 1949, a seven-year plan for the reform of the armed forces was adopted. In the same year, Marshal Konstantin Rokossovsky became Minister of National Defense.

After 1953, the number of servicemen in the Polish Army gradually decreased. By 1958, the size of the army was approximately 300, after which it remained at about the same level until 000. In 1990, most of the officers of the Soviet army left Poland along with Marshal Rokossovsky.



Until the second half of the 1950s, air defense units and fighter aviation equipped exclusively with Soviet-made equipment and weapons. After overcoming the devastating consequences of the Second World War and the restoration of Polish industry, the production of its own models intended for equipping the air defense forces was launched, and licensed production of MiG-15 and MiG-17 jet fighters was carried out.

The first Polish jet fighters


The Polish Air Force was formalized as a branch of service in 1947, and at the first stage, three fighter regiments were armed with Yak-9T and Yak-9P piston aircraft.


In 1950, rearmament to jet fighters began. The first jet aircraft of the Polish Air Force was the Yak-17. This single-seat fighter, like the "spark" UTI Yak-17, was used as a training aircraft during the transition to more advanced machines.

The jet Yak-17 had a maximum takeoff weight of 3 kg. The RD-240A turbojet engine with a thrust of 10 kgf provided a maximum flight speed of 910 km / h - that is, at the level of the best piston fighters. Flight range with PTB - 748 km. Armament - two 717-mm guns NS-23.

Polish jet fighters of the first generation

Training aircraft UTI Yak-17 in the collection of the Museum of Polish Aviation in Krakow

Combat Yak-17s quickly became obsolete, were withdrawn from combat duty in the second half of 1951 and were used for training purposes until the end of 1953.

Two-seater UTI Yak-17 aircraft were operated by the Polish Air Force until 1955. In 1957, two UTI Yak-17s were transferred to the Aviation Institute, where the TS-11 Iskra was created. One "spark" was used as a source of spare parts, and the other, after a major overhaul, received civil registration and flew until 1960.

In 1951, the Yak-23 fighter entered service with the Polish Air Force. This aircraft, like the Yak-17, had a "raid" scheme, but was designed from scratch. A total of 90 Yak-23s were delivered from the USSR. Initially, the Polish government planned to establish a licensed production of the Yak-23, but later it was abandoned in favor of the MiG-15.


Fighter Yak-23 in the Museum of Polish Aviation in Krakow

The fighter with a maximum takeoff weight of 3 kg was equipped with an RD-389 engine with a thrust of 500 kgf. The maximum flight speed at high altitude is 1 km / h. Flight range with PTB - 590 km. Armament - two 923-mm guns. Due to the leaky cockpit, the high-altitude characteristics of the Yak-1 were at the level of piston fighters of the Second World War. The active service of the Yak-030 in combat squadrons continued until 23, after which they began to be used for training purposes. The last Yak-23s in reserve were decommissioned in 23.

In 1956, the armed forces handed over two Yak-23 aircraft to the Aviation Institute. One was dismantled for parts, and the other was assigned civilian registration numbers, and this aircraft was used until November 1961 for flight tests and research.

Soviet-made MiG-15 and MiG-17 fighters, as well as Polish modifications created on their basis


The MiG-15 was one of the best first generation jet fighters. This aircraft deservedly enjoyed popularity in the air forces of many countries and took part in a number of armed conflicts. It is quite natural that the jet fighter, outstanding in terms of its characteristics, attracted the attention of the command of the Polish Air Force.


Fighter MiG-15 Polish Air Force

The MiG-15 jet fighter, equipped with the RD-45F engine, which produced thrust of 2 kgf, had a maximum take-off weight of 270 kg. At high altitude, the aircraft could accelerate in level flight up to 5 km/h. Flight range - 260 km. The fighter had a pressurized cockpit, and its ceiling was about 1 m. The armament, designed to fight the American B-050 bombers, was very powerful: one 1-mm and two 420-mm guns.

Polish pilots began retraining from the Yak-23 to the MiG-15 in mid-1951. Initially, Poland received aircraft manufactured at Soviet and Czechoslovak factories. However, already on July 17, 1952, the first MiG-15, built at the PZL aircraft factory in the city of Mielec, took off. The first post-war Polish fighter of its own production received the designation Lim-1.


Lim-1 fighters take off

Mastering the serial production of the MiG-15 and engines for it greatly advanced the Polish aviation industry. Until the second half of 1954, 227 Lim-1 jet fighters were produced.

In 1953, Poland received MiG-15bis fighters, an improved version of the MiG-15. This fighter was equipped with a VK-1 engine with a thrust of 2 kgf. The maximum takeoff weight reached 700 kg. The maximum speed is 6 km / h. Flight range - 045 km.


Fighter Lim-2

Deliveries of Polish-made MiG-15bis under the designation Lim-2 began at the end of 1954. Until November 1956, 500 aircraft were built.

The operation of the MiG-15, MiG-15bis of Soviet and Czechoslovak production was carried out in parallel with the Lim-1 and Lim-2 aircraft. Some of these machines have served for over 20 years. Initially, they ensured the inviolability of Poland's air borders, but due to the increase in the flight speed of combat aircraft of NATO countries, obsolete, but still strong fighters were converted into fighter-bombers and reconnaissance aircraft, and used for training and training purposes.

In parallel with the MiG-15, two-seat training aircraft UTI MiG-15 arrived in Poland. After the serial construction of Lim-1 and Lim-2 was completed, the SBLim-1 and SBLim-2 "sparks" were produced. The aircraft were not re-manufactured, but were converted at the aircraft repair plant in Bydgoszcz from single-seat fighters. The first SBLim-1 was manufactured in 1957, and the head SBLim-2 was released in 1960. In total, 200 aircraft were reworked.


SBLim-2

According to their characteristics, the Polish TCBs were close to the UTI MiG-15 and were armed with one 23-mm cannon.

In addition to SBLim-1 and SBLim-2, from 1961 to 1969, the two-seat SBLim-1Art and SBLim-2Art were produced. On these aircraft, designed to correct artillery fire and conduct reconnaissance in the front line, there were no control devices in the second cockpit, but cameras and a table for working with a map appeared instead.

According to Polish data, at least 30 such aircraft were delivered. Subsequently, some of them, after a major overhaul, were converted back into training SBLim-2M and aircraft designed to probe the atmosphere to detect nuclear explosion products.


SBLim-2M

The SBLim-1 was decommissioned in 1975, and the SBLim-2 remained in service until mid-1993. After the liquidation of the Warsaw Pact, about a dozen Lim-2 and SBLim-2 were sold to the West. Some aircraft were brought to the flying state, they still take to the air and participate in various air shows.

In 1956, the plant in Mielec received four sets of Soviet-made parts intended for training plant personnel in assembling MiG-17F fighters. At the same time, the production of VK-1F engines was established at the WSK Rzeszow enterprise. The first aircraft assembled from Soviet parts was handed over to the Polish Air Force on January 18, 1957. In mid-February 1957, the production of Lim-5 fighters, a licensed copy of the MiG-17F, began.


Fighter Lim-5

On February 13, 1957, the Polish military aviation received 3 Lim-5 aircraft. In total, 1957 Lim-222 aircraft were built in 5. Since 1960, the production of fighters at the plant in Mielec was carried out on two assembly lines. At the same time, Polish engineers made various changes and improvements to the design of the fighter developed in the USSR. The production of Lim-5 aircraft continued until June 30, 1960. A total of 477 aircraft were built in 19 serial series. This number also includes MiG-17PF interceptors, produced under the designation Lim-5R, and Lim-5R reconnaissance aircraft equipped with an AFA-39 camera.


The characteristics of the fighters being built in Poland did not differ much from the MiG-17F. The Lim-5 aircraft had a maximum takeoff weight of 6 kg. Maximum flight speed - 075 km / h, afterburner - 1 km / h. Flight altitude - 047 m. Flight range with additional fuel tanks - 1 km. Built-in armament: one 154 mm and two 16 mm guns.


Interceptor Lim-5R

The Lim-5Р interceptor, equipped with the RP-5 Emerald radar sight, had a maximum take-off weight of 6 kg. The presence of a radar sight on board made it possible to intercept in the absence of visual contact with the target. The transmitter antenna was located above the upper lip of the air intake, and the receiving antenna was located in the center of the air intake. On the afterburner, Lim-350P could accelerate to 5 km / h. Ceiling - 1 m. Range with additional fuel tanks - 123 km. Armament - two 15-mm guns.

A total of 1960 Lim-129Ps were produced by the end of 5. Subsequently, some Lim-5Rs were equipped with K-13 (R-3C) guided missile holders, which increased the combat capabilities of the interceptors and allowed them to remain in service until the early 1970s.

In the late 1950s, on the basis of the Lim-5 fighter, an aircraft was created in the factory design bureau in Mielec, designed to directly support the ground forces. It is noteworthy that the representatives of the OKB im. A. I. Mikoyan was rejected by the Polish project after meeting him. But, despite the negative feedback from the head designer, in 1960, mass production of the Lim-5M light strike aircraft began.

For basing on unpaved airfields, the Lim-5M received dual chassis wheels. The takeoff run distance was shortened through the use of solid-fuel boosters, and the flight range was increased by increasing the capacity of the fuel tanks in the thicker wing. The built-in cannon armament of the Lim-5M was the same as on the MiG-17F. Under the wing it was possible to hang two blocks for sixteen 57-mm NAR or 50-100 kg bombs.

However, due to the increased drag, the flight performance and controllability of the Lim-5M aircraft deteriorated, and therefore it was received coolly by the troops. As a result of flight accidents that occurred in 1961-1964, eight pilots were killed and 10 of the 60 aircraft that were available crashed. In 1964, it was decided to convert the failed Lim-5Ms into Lim-6bis fighter-bombers.

Based on the operating experience of the not very successful Lim-5M, the military came to the conclusion that it was necessary to create a Lim-5 fighter-bomber based on the Lim-6. Serial production of this aircraft began in 1963. An improved version adapted for operations at low altitudes was designated Lim-6bis.


Fighter-bomber Lim-6bis

Starting in 1971, part of the Lim-5R interceptors, which retained a sufficient flight resource, were converted into Lim-6M fighter-bombers.

Fighters and fighter-bombers, created in Poland on the basis of the Soviet MiG-17F, formed the basis of the Polish air force fleet for a long period of time, and 17 fighter regiments were armed with them. The last such aircraft were decommissioned in 1992. Polish-built fighters were also in service in the GDR, Bulgaria, Egypt, Indonesia and Guinea-Bissau.

The first supersonic fighters of the Polish Air Force


In the late 1950s, it became clear that the existing Polish Lim-5 jet fighters were not able to effectively intercept supersonic aircraft during the day, and the Lim-5P interceptors, due to the limited capabilities of the airborne radar sight, had very modest opportunities to independently search for air targets at night.

In this regard, the Polish government in 1957 decided to purchase the MiG-19P and MiG-19PM supersonic interceptors in the USSR, equipped with the RP-5 radar sight. The development of these supersonic aircraft dramatically increased Poland's air defense capabilities to intercept air targets.

The MiG-19P was armed with two 30mm cannons and could carry two ORO-57K launchers with 8 S-5 unguided rockets.


Supersonic interceptor MiG-19P Polish Air Force

The MiG-19PM lost its cannons and was armed with four RS-2U (K-5M) guided missiles.


Supersonic interceptor MiG-19PM at the Polish Aviation Museum in Krakow

The MiG-19PM supersonic interceptor had good flight data for the late 1950s, but was more demanding than the MiG-17F in terms of pilot training. The maximum takeoff weight of the MiG-19PM was 9 kg. Two RD-400B turbojet engines with a thrust of 9 kgf each (2 kgf afterburner) could accelerate an aircraft carrying four missiles to 600 km/h. Ceiling - 3 m, range - 300 km, flight range with additional fuel tanks - 1 km.

In connection with the expected arrival of MiG-21 fighters, Poland has acquired 24 MiG-19P and 12 MiG-19PM. These interceptors were divided among three fighter regiments, in which "pursuit squadrons" were formed.

In July 1959, Polish pilots on their MiG-19PM fired guided missiles at unmanned targets La-17 at the Soviet Krasnovodsk training ground in Turkmenistan. A year later, similar firing took place at the Ashluk training ground in the Astrakhan region.


Air-to-air guided missile RS-2U (K-5M)

The RS-2U missile, guided in the beam of an airborne radar, was developed in the mid-1950s, and the MiG-17PFU interceptor became its first carrier. Subsequently, it was used as part of the armament of the MiG-19PM and almost all modifications of the MiG-21. With a length of 2 mm, the rocket weighed 538 kg. The mass of the warhead is 83,2 kg. Firing range - up to 13 km.

Soon after the Polish pilots mastered the MiG-19P / PM, they began combat duty. A higher speed compared to the Lim-5Р and a longer flight duration made it possible to quickly reach the interception line and stay in the air longer.
In connection with the retraining for MiG-21 fighters, all Polish MiG-19P / PM in 1965 were transferred to the 28th Fighter Aviation Regiment. These aircraft were actively operated until the second half of 1974. After that, the engines removed from the decommissioned interceptors were sent to the USSR, where they were used for installation on La-17 radio-controlled targets, and the Polish MiG-19P / PM gliders were shot at firing ranges. Three aircraft have been preserved as museum exhibits and monuments.

To be continued ...
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  1. +16
    17 May 2022 04: 17
    A normal article on the history of aviation technology! good
    Though, something not about Ukraine.
  2. +1
    17 May 2022 04: 48
    Campaign, all the countries of the Warsaw Pact flew on the developments of the USSR, but they didn’t really create anything of their own.
    1. +5
      17 May 2022 05: 30
      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      Campaign, all the countries of the Warsaw Pact flew on the developments of the USSR, but they didn’t really create anything of their own.

      Here you are not quite right, no one in the police department except the USSR, of course, produced fighters, but the Czechs made very good jet training aircraft.
      1. +6
        17 May 2022 05: 36
        Quote: Tucan
        the Czechs made very good jet training aircraft.

        So let them fly on their dolphins. The Yak-30 was better, but it was hacked to please the Czechs. Purely political decision. The same Poles released their Iskra, and our best Yak among them was buried.
        1. +12
          17 May 2022 06: 33
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          So let them fly on their dolphins. The Yak-30 was better, but it was hacked to please the Czechs. Purely political decision. The same Poles released their Iskra, and our best Yak among them was buried.

          The Yak-30 may have been no worse than the L-29, but in the USSR in the 60s there were no free capacities for building their own trainers. All Soviet aircraft factories were busy producing combat aircraft. In addition, the production of aircraft in Czechoslovakia contributed to economic development and integration within the CMEA.
          1. +1
            17 May 2022 06: 54
            Quote: Bongo
            in the USSR in the 60s there were no free capacities for the construction of their own trainers.

            Then there was nothing to fence the garden.
            Quote: Bongo
            In addition, the production of aircraft in Czechoslovakia contributed to economic development and integration within the CMEA.

            Yes, it is understandable. It would be better if they drove more motorcycles to us. Or the CZ 75 pistol is quite a great thing for the army.
            1. +1
              18 May 2022 14: 20
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              It would be better if they drove more motorcycles to us.

              The whole North in the Tatras was conquered.
          2. +9
            17 May 2022 07: 23
            Quote: Bongo
            .

            hi
            I read and think: who wrote such an interesting article?
            I'm used to the fact that you wrote about air defense for a long time wink
            Enjoyed studying over morning coffee good
            Thanks for a great start to the day!
            1. +10
              17 May 2022 08: 00
              Quote: Mister X
              Quote: Bongo
              .

              hi
              I read and think: who wrote such an interesting article?
              I'm used to the fact that you wrote about air defense for a long time wink
              Enjoyed studying over morning coffee good
              Thanks for a great start to the day!


              Hello my friend!
              Thanks for the kind words! drinks
              But this article is just part of a cycle dedicated to the air defense of Poland.
              The next one is waiting in line.
              1. +5
                17 May 2022 08: 11
                Quote: Bongo
                dedicated air defense

                I put it inaccurately: you often write about missile and cannon systems for air defense systems laughing
                1. +8
                  17 May 2022 08: 19
                  Quote: Mister X
                  I put it inaccurately: you often write about missile and cannon systems for air defense systems

                  So, I started serving in the 11th Air Defense Division. Although he served specific equipment, he also saw enough of the air defense system and fell in love with them.
                  1. +5
                    17 May 2022 09: 26
                    So, I started serving in the 11th Air Defense Division. Although he served specific equipment, he also saw enough of the air defense system and fell in love with them.

                    Well, now it's clear where the "legs grow" theme of the esteemed Bongo comes from. laughing good Sergei, I bow! We look forward to continuing! drinks
                    1. +5
                      17 May 2022 13: 05
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku
                      Sergei, I bow! We look forward to continuing! drinks

                      Nikolay, hello! The continuation will be in the near future.
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku
                      Well, now it's clear where the "legs grow" theme of the esteemed Bongo comes from. laughing

                      Well, I didn't hide it. Even my colleagues were on the site.
                      1. +5
                        17 May 2022 13: 07
                        Nikolay, hello! The continuation will be in the near future.

                        Good cycles! drinks Thank you!
                  2. +5
                    17 May 2022 10: 29
                    Quote: Bongo
                    fell in love with them

                    May you live happily ever after!
                    drinks
                    1. +8
                      17 May 2022 13: 09
                      With air defense, everything is in the past, although I am still not indifferent to this topic!
                      Quote: Mister X
                      May you live happily ever after!

                      You tell this girl, Olya is even jealous of her!

                      I never thought that I would have a relationship with a cat!
                      1. +2
                        17 May 2022 21: 46
                        Quote: Bongo
                        Olya is even jealous of her!

                        And my Masya is not jealous of anyone bully

                        Left Borya (Johnson)
                        Near Bruise (Biden's son, Hunter) wassat
                        behind them Fufa.
                        She is in the kitchen by TV listening to all the news laughing
                      2. +2
                        18 May 2022 04: 00
                        Quote: Mister X
                        And my Masya is not jealous of anyone

                        Your pets do not try to interfere with your relationship with your spouse, and do not start killing the cat as soon as you pet it.
                      3. +3
                        18 May 2022 06: 26
                        Quote: Bongo
                        don't start killing the cat

                        Uh, don't say...
                        All the time it seems that Borya threatens me with the voice of Leonov:
                        - "I'll poke out the blinker"!
                        We live in fear...
                      4. +1
                        18 May 2022 08: 50
                        Quote: Mister X
                        Uh, don't say...
                        All the time it seems that Borya threatens me with the voice of Leonov:
                        - "I'll poke out the blinker"!
                        We live in fear...


                        What is it that you drank? belay
                      5. +2
                        18 May 2022 10: 42
                        Quote: Bongo
                        What is it that you drank?

                        Son 34 years old
                        Why not play the fool in old age? wink
                      6. +1
                        18 May 2022 15: 57
                        Kitty, oriental breed?
                      7. +1
                        19 May 2022 00: 02
                        Quote: sh3roman
                        Kitty, oriental breed?

                        Yes, this is a classic orik. We have two of them, both of chocolate color. A cat is extremely smart, and a cat is the most affectionate and docile creature in the world.
                      8. 0
                        19 May 2022 10: 20
                        Orientals, the most amazing cats of all!!!!! the owner loves, probably, like dogs, if not more, unfortunately in the past, they met and saw me off, and even tried to treat me. Health and good luck to your kitties and you, as their friend, cannot be a master with them.
                  3. 0
                    4 July 2022 12: 33
                    Quote: Bongo
                    So, I started serving in the 11th Air Defense Division. Although he served specific equipment, he also saw enough of the air defense system and fell in love with them.

                    But don’t write about the radar? 95-97 Separate Radar Company.
              2. +6
                17 May 2022 11: 28
                Hooray!
                At least there will be something to read on a "sabbatical"!
                And what is planned after Poland?
                1. +6
                  17 May 2022 13: 12
                  Hello!
                  In the comments to one of the previous articles, I was asked to tell about the air defense systems supplied under Lend-Lease to the USSR.
                  But there will be several more publications in the series about Polish air defense.
          3. +3
            17 May 2022 09: 59
            All Soviet aircraft factories were busy producing combat aircraft.

            So Poland asked the USSR for a license for the Yak-30. And even ignored the L-29. The Poles were refused. History smells so rotten that it is sickening to stir it up. By the way, the enthusiasts of that Yak created a direct descendant of the Yak-30 idea - the SR-10 aircraft. The impeccable car-desk is out of work again. They decided to switch to the controversial American three-stage piston - Yak-130 - the main one.
      2. +2
        17 May 2022 12: 31
        Quote: Tucan
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Campaign, all the countries of the Warsaw Pact flew on the developments of the USSR, but they didn’t really create anything of their own.

        Here you are not quite right, no one in the police department except the USSR, of course, produced fighters, but the Czechs made very good jet training aircraft.

        The Poles produced their training TS-11 Iskra, which they used as a light attack aircraft.
        1. +4
          17 May 2022 13: 15
          Hello, hello
          Quote: Fitter65
          The Poles produced their training TS-11 Iskra, which they used as a light attack aircraft.

          TS-11 "Iskra" as an attack aircraft is full of shit. The Poles understood this, and until the last they held on to attack vehicles based on the MiG-17. I deliberately did not dwell on the Polish IBA in detail. The emphasis is more on fighters.
          1. +3
            17 May 2022 14: 56
            Sergey, good evening! To be honest, a colleague wrote about Czech UBSs, well, I remembered about the "Polish miracle" which is "Iskra" ... To be honest, I don't remember now where I saw this sample of the letak, either in Pila, or in Miroslavets. There they just switched to the Su-22m4. And sometimes I went to them - I had a direct connection with our ZKP via R-409MA, it’s true that besides me, ours and R-140M also came to R-845 ... laughing drinks And now I don’t remember already, whether we were driving on Pila through the taxiway to the KDP, or on Miroslavets? ... The old one is already laughing laughing laughing And there, next to the Su-22m4, these Sparks stood ... There, according to the exercises, these LiM-6s that Bis landed for refueling, during the exercises there I saw them live, nearby ... They said that board number 438 was the plane of the regiment commander ... laughing At one time, I don’t remember where (it seems in Skszydlata Polsk) photos of this board slipped from all sides, which then (about 95-96) prompted me to make this pipelats out of the Shmerovsky log
            And this is the memory of our common past with them ....
        2. 0
          18 May 2022 15: 59
          Yugoslavia produced jet planes
          1. +2
            18 May 2022 16: 36
            Quote: sh3roman
            Yugoslavia produced jet planes

            According to the rules, the name of the country is written with a capital letter - Yugoslavia. Yes, in Yugoslavia they produced an aircraft jointly developed with the Romanians. J-22 Orao in the SFRY and IAR 93 in Romania. 165 units were produced in the SFRY, 86 were Romanians. Romanians, if memory serves, under license produced a French helicopter ...
            1. -1
              18 May 2022 21: 29
              As for the capital letter, is that tediousness? Or what?
              1. +1
                18 May 2022 23: 42
                Quote: sh3roman
                As for the capital letter, is that tediousness? Or what?

                You can write whatever you want, even without spaces between words...
  3. +8
    17 May 2022 05: 19
    the author is identified by the title) usually had little interest in the Polish jet aircraft industry, more in the plant in Swidnik. Honorable Poland received a truly royal gift (now they don’t give it so generously), in those years she received technologies: jet fighters, multi-purpose helicopters up to 6500 kg, light turboprop short takeoff and landing aircraft (m-28, and by birth an-28) and an-2, even the UBS L-29, the only one for the air forces of the ATS countries (by the way, Czechoslovakia also got a good piece of the pie: the L-39 and L-410 are still in operation) in Poland was replaced by its own TS-11. In fairness, in the West at that time they were also less tight-fisted in terms of technology, but to give competence in the production of entire niches of helicopter engineering is, of course, an unheard of
    1. +9
      17 May 2022 06: 36
      Nikolay, hello! hi
      Totally agree with you. Moreover, the European NATO countries were forced to create their own combat aircraft projects in order to somehow reduce their dependence on the Americans.
  4. +7
    17 May 2022 05: 35
    Thanks Sergey for a great article! smile
    I've never been particularly interested in aviation, but this one was interesting to read. good
    I wonder what the Poles fly now?
    1. +8
      17 May 2022 06: 43
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Thanks Sergey for a great article! smile
      I've never been particularly interested in aviation, but this one was interesting to read. good
      I wonder what the Poles fly now?

      Kostya, hello!
      The workhorse of the Polish Air Force for a long time was the MiG-21 of various modifications. In the late 1970s, the Poles received a MiG-23MF regiment, but they did not like this aircraft, which was difficult to pilot and expensive to maintain. In the late 1980s, the first MiG-29s arrived, then Poland received "twenty-ninths" from the Czech Republic and Germany. Now they are finishing them off and will write them off in the next couple of years. The main Polish fighter is now considered the American F-16C / D Block 52+ (48 units), as well as the delivery of 32 F-35A.
      1. +7
        17 May 2022 07: 21
        “They didn’t like the plane” - it’s not surprising. The plane is very ambiguous, of course, a step forward compared to the 21st, but at the same time to the “side”. recourse
        1. +9
          17 May 2022 08: 04
          Quote: Sergey Valov
          “They didn’t like the plane” - it’s not surprising. The plane is very ambiguous, of course, a step forward compared to the 21st, but at the same time to the “side”.

          In the early 1990s, in Khvalynka, in Spassk-Dalny, I watched how the engine was changed on the MiG-23MLD. wassat Somehow I felt sorry for the technicians.
          1. 0
            17 May 2022 15: 46
            A few years after the arrival of the MiG-23 to the troops, a series of accidents took place, the cause of which was the destruction of the center section caused by fatigue cracks. As a result, it turned out that the problem was related to the quality of welding. The problem was fixed, but how many cars were produced with it. There were also problems with the “tooth” at the root of the turning part of the wing. The conversion of the 23rd to the 27th led to a whole train of very ambiguous improvements. The armament was initially weak - 4 rockets plus a cannon. And the series was crazy - "Banner of Labor" in the late 70s produced almost one car a day. But there was also Ulan Ude, who was helped by Irkutsk.
      2. +6
        17 May 2022 07: 43
        Well, of course, Americans, it was expected. They no longer produce their own fighters, at least under license?
        Say hello to Olga. smile
        1. +8
          17 May 2022 08: 12
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Well, of course, Americans, it was expected.

          Well, theoretically there could still be "Efrofighters", "Rafali" or "Gripens". Czechs and Hungarians, for example, operate the Saab JAS 39 Gripen.
          Quote: Sea Cat
          They no longer produce their own fighters, at least under license?

          The history of Polish fighters ended with MiG-17 clones. In the 1960s, Khrushchev refused the Poles even a license for the MiG-21, although they tearfully asked. In the 2000s, the issue of creating and producing in cooperation with Russia on the basis of the MiG-29 of its own fighter was considered. But it didn't work out...

          The last notable success of the Polish aircraft industry was the PZL M28, the Polish version of the An-28.

          This light transport aircraft of short takeoff and landing in the amount of 16 copies was purchased by the US Special Operations Forces. Where it is operated under the designation C-145A Skytruck.

          Olya said hello! drinks
    2. +7
      17 May 2022 09: 30
      I wonder what the Poles fly now?

      I will add. It seems that they still have old Su-22 fighter-bombers in the Air Force. Well, this is so, already from the category of rarities.
      1. +6
        17 May 2022 13: 20
        Quote: Pane Kohanku
        I will add. It seems that they still have old Su-22 fighter-bombers in the Air Force. Well, this is so, already from the category of rarities.

        It's not clear with the Su-22. According to my information, they are formally in service, but as far as I know, these aircraft no longer fly.
        Although for their time, the export Su-22M4 delivered to Poland were not even very bad.
        By the way, until 1990 they were produced here in Komsomolsk.
        1. +6
          17 May 2022 14: 01
          Although for their time, the export Su-22M4 delivered to Poland were not even very bad.

          Quite possible! Sergey, I'm not very strong in aviation, but I think that the concept of a fighter-bomber is being most realized only now, with the development of high-precision weapons. If wrong - correct! drinks
          By the way, until 1990 they were produced here in Komsomolsk.

          In the homeland of Pavel Sukhoi, on the outskirts of the city of Glubokoe (Belarus), there is a monument to him, the previous version of this aircraft is the Su-17M.


          By the way, why don't you make the next cycle - "Domestic Post-War Attack Aviation"? Ilyushin also had interesting projects there ...
          1. +5
            17 May 2022 14: 08
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            In the homeland of Pavel Sukhoi, on the outskirts of the city of Glubokoe (Belarus), there is a monument to him, the previous version of this aircraft is the Su-17M.

            And he has nothing to do with Toropets? wassat
            There is also "Drying" there:
            1. +6
              17 May 2022 14: 12
              And he has nothing to do with Toropets?

              Sergey, welcome! This is either a Su-9 or a Su-11 - an interceptor. Now I typed in the internet about the monument - this is the Su-9.
              1. +5
                17 May 2022 14: 21
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                Now I typed in the internet about the monument - this is the Su-9.

                To be honest, I don’t know anything about the SU-9.
                1. +5
                  17 May 2022 14: 51
                  To be honest, I don’t know anything about the SU-9.

                  This is a late 50s/60s car.
                2. +3
                  17 May 2022 17: 22
                  Su-9 is the main air defense vehicle of the first half of the 60s. The plane is frankly bad, but there were no other supersonic interceptors.
              2. +3
                17 May 2022 17: 19
                If it’s very rude, then the Su-9 differs externally from the Su-11 in the number of beams for missiles under the wing. Su-9 carried 4 missiles, Su-11 two. Quite a few Su-11s were produced, it seems that only 3 regiments were equipped with them, one of which was based in Khotilovo.
  5. +7
    17 May 2022 06: 28
    “had a “raid” scheme” - “redan”, from the word redan.
    1. +8
      17 May 2022 06: 44
      Quote: Sergey Valov
      “had a “raid” scheme” - “redan”, from the word redan.

      Typo request Thank you for clarification! hi
      1. +1
        17 May 2022 10: 18
        Thank you for clarification!

        Perhaps it is worth adding that the Yak-23, with all its conservatism (redan, straight wing, leaky cockpit), turned out to be very light. And even with the Derwent engine (our unlicensed copy) it had an excellent thrust-to-weight ratio, could easily sit on an unprepared meadow and was very popular in the CMEA countries.
        1. +4
          17 May 2022 12: 34
          The copy is completely licensed. Together with Derwent 5 / RD-500, they bought a license for Nin 2 / RD-45.
          1. 0
            17 May 2022 13: 55
            The copy is completely licensed.

            If there is a link to the document, please. While you have to stick to "but who knows"
            https://mikhailove.livejournal.com/23649.html
            "However, there are still many questions, the license was apparently sold, Rolls-Royce tried later to receive 207 million pounds of payments under the agreement, but without success"
            It is known for sure that some of the engines were dismantled, dimensions and samples of materials and alloys were taken, it was instructed to make drawings.
  6. +4
    17 May 2022 12: 29
    When I served in the SGV, in Klyuchevo, I remember that LiM-6ths were stationed in Vitkovo. In the year 1987, we went to the exercises at the Nadazhice training ground, and there these Limas are circling. One of the "old men" says - damn it, just like in the years of crazy youth, in Vietnam ... laughing
    1. +3
      17 May 2022 16: 55
      In the year 1987, we went to the exercises at the Nadazhice training ground, and there these Limas are circling.


      We met the MiG-17 in the air near Mazar-i-Sharif in 85th. I saw, I learned with surprise, I could not believe my eyes. And the second of the pair from the unpaved strip with a bunch of dust after just took off.
  7. +4
    17 May 2022 12: 32
    Good day, Sergey,
    After the liquidation of the Warsaw Pact, about a dozen Lim-2 and SBLim-2 were sold to the West.

    Interesting for what purpose? Collectors? hi
    1. +8
      17 May 2022 13: 24
      Quote: Mihaylov
      Good day, Sergey

      Hello!
      Quote: Mihaylov
      Interesting for what purpose? Collectors?

      In the decaying West, there are very few wealthy people who are interested in aviation and who collect flying rare aircraft. In addition, these machines are actively involved in various air shows, where a lot of money is spinning.
      1. +6
        17 May 2022 14: 10
        Quote: Bongo
        In addition, these machines actively participate in various air shows.

        I've always wanted to visit this one, but haven't had the chance yet. hi
      2. +2
        18 May 2022 16: 06
        The clearest example of Manuzakis in Germany, he also had a Polish spark, but he did not succeed in flying it
  8. +2
    17 May 2022 13: 00
    Quote: Bongo
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    So let them fly on their dolphins. The Yak-30 was better, but it was hacked to please the Czechs. Purely political decision. The same Poles released their Iskra, and our best Yak among them was buried.

    The Yak-30 may have been no worse than the L-29, but in the USSR in the 60s there were no free capacities for building their own trainers. All Soviet aircraft factories were busy producing combat aircraft. In addition, the production of aircraft in Czechoslovakia contributed to economic development and integration within the CMEA.

    The Poles were ready to produce the Yak-30 instead of the Iskra, but they were not allowed to. And the Yak-30 technical was the best.
  9. -4
    17 May 2022 13: 06
    Absolutely wrong name of the material. These are Soviet fighters in the Polish Air Force
  10. 0
    17 May 2022 17: 35
    Photo from Lim-2. The plane is visibly shiny. Poles did not varnish?
  11. +1
    24 May 2022 21: 07
    here is another interesting exhibit.

  12. -1
    4 July 2022 11: 55
    It is surprising how easily the Soviet country made it possible for its allies to learn how to produce aircraft on their own.

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